Who did the best in the final presidential debate?

Over_Nobama writes:

Nobama stumbled throughout the debate. McCain took this one hands down. Nobama straight out lied.

Jack_Durden writes:

actually... they both did...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/a...

milesd writes:

McCain sure sounded to me like the standard Republican approach to the world. I can't imagine a more failed political stance.

angryrepublican writes:

McPain once again showed why his time has passed. He was rude and condesending - what a disgrace McPain is.

truth2u writes:

Socialism has been proven and it works. Everyone will live happily every after in mediocrity.

catlady writes:

I wish McCain would have pointed out the Obama's trickle up poverty would ruin, devestate, destroy and eventually eliminate the middle class. If you want to rob your neighbors so that the government can decide how their money can best be spent....by all means vote Obama. And God Help Us All.

PKlammer writes:

"Let workers [and insurance companies] shop across state lines for the best advantage ..." -- just what you would expect from McPain: Backdoor Deregulation.

scooterchic writes:

Obama answered every question definitively when he rebutted McCain. There is no William Ayres or ACORN controversy. I know who Barack Obama is, and I still have a lot of questions about John McCain and his ability to lead a country. I want this country to head in a positive direction, and I don't see it under a McCain/Palin presidency.

PriusGuy writes:

The only thing McCain excelled at was blinking and hatred. On every issue, Obama seemed to be more in line with what America needs.

bjones73 writes:

Unreal -
I'm about to open an anger management school and offer the first three months to McCain for free!!!!

I'm still guaranteed another 8 years of classes to cure him!! And that's if I'm lucky!!!

What a disgrace and embarrassment to our country's government.

Salsmom writes:

Obama was presidential. McCain came off again as an angry old man - not angry about the condition of our country, but angry that the presidency may be slipping away from him - he conveys no hope for the future of our country.

catlady writes:

Well, I HOPE that you all enjoy the CHANGE from a free nation of captialist to an enslaved nation of communist workers. Via the Obamanation.

snow writes:

Obama came off as a slick talker with no clear answers, just vague pie in the sky answers. His idea to throw more money to education is a proven failure as McCain pointed out some of the worst performing schools also have the most funds. Army of teachers, HAHA what a vague statement! McCain clearly has the experience to get the country on the right track. Obama "Present for the vote" does not.

Justone7 writes:

Obama flat out LIED about Joe the plumber. what he ACTUALLY said was he wants to spread the wealth. And that obvious one is not in the Yahoo article. Too obvious that Obama is just a slick talker if they print that one.

Gonzopozo writes:

Imagine 4 more years of Republican economic policy.

Thankfully, that's all we'll be doing.

FormalistAesthete writes:

McCain looked old and confused. On two occasions, he said that more government spending was not the answer and immediately followed that up by saying that we need more government programs for autistic kids. And his plan to improve education is to let people retiring from the military become teachers WITHOUT any training or certification???

mhow88 writes:

McCain was doing all he could to control his temper... Same as the previous debates.. Not good for a president to have such a temper. He won't be able to rationally and calmly think through decisions...!

ifyem writes:

Who did the best in the final presidential debate?
Response Percent Votes
John McCain
14% 276
Barack Obama
82% 1561
Even
0% 15
Didn't watch
1% 34

As Gary would say...Nuff said!!

arthistorybabe writes:

Salsmon - well said.

freemarketworks writes:

Barack Obama may be the next Jimmy Carter; however, Willard Mitt Romney will be the next Ronald Wilson Reagan... "Nuff said!!!" I mean "enough said."

commoncents writes:

I will gladly pay more taxes to not have to live with another disillusioned egomaniac president. But then well under the 250K a year earner that I am, I will enjoy my tax break! The sun will be out again for America come November.

awakenedcitizen writes:

McCain got into deep kaka when he started the character assasination ads. Turns out Ayers is very much an arms length acquaintance--funny thing is annenberg, who is McCain's supporter and donar--thinks Ayers' educational progams are good and funds them. so, with McCain logic: Ayers is close to annenberg, so annenberg must be a terrorist.

Acorn was a client of the law firm obama was with, say, how many years ago????

BUT, Timmons, McCain's "transition"coordinator was passing secrets to Saddam!!!! ooooo bad guy connection. Danger Danger Will Robinson.

McCain, I am so sorry he got so desperate as to sell his soul. He used to have one.

awakenedcitizen writes:

Justone tsk tsk tsk McCain flat out LIED about calming crowds that were ready to lynch or kill--Palin just smirked when people shouted "kill him" McCain made one lame attempt to address someone who called Obama an Arab.

First, Palin and McCain Lied about all these things, then they enflamed people's emotions, now.....they want to be seen as innocents?

Justone, you are probably not a woman, but a man who calls his wife a c**t in front of people, and a trollop --that man is off my list as presidential material. and that, my friends, is Senator McCain.

Derge writes:

PKlammer writes: "Let workers [and insurance companies] shop across state lines for the best advantage ..." -- just what you would expect from McPain: Backdoor Deregulation.
You're very ignorant on how the world works buddy.
It provides the citizen to CHOOSE the best healthcare plan no matter WHERE. Employer sponsored healthcare is CRIPPLING small/medium businesses: http://www.healthpopuli.com/2008/06/s...
Competition is a proven method to reduce prices and increase efficiency.

scooterchic writes: "Obama answered every question definitively when he rebutted McCain. There is no William Ayres or ACORN controversy. I know who Barack Obama is, and I still have a lot of questions about John McCain and his ability to lead a country. I want this country to head in a positive direction, and I don't see it under a McCain/Palin presidency."
Rebutted? Obama lied. He lied about voting against the BAIPA
Obama has voted four times against the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA); where infants that that survived induced abortions are given medical care. He opposed the law that would require medical care for infants that survived outside the womb. http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/20...
He admitted in the debate of his socialist agend to tax every American to pool the money into one government FUND to offer universal healthcare.

His ACORN/Ayers/Rezko cronyism runs deep:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdog...
http://www.cdobs.com/archive/tags/Ayers/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12221...
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=...
http://www.judicialwatch.org/jwnews/2...
http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/more...
http://www.capitalresearch.org/blog/?...
http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdog...
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?i...
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitts...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news...
http://www.examiner.com/x-268-Right-S...
http://mediamatters.org/items/2007061...
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/arti...
http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/20...

Why are there so many blind sheep that beLIEve & accept every word from Obama?

You know Joe the struggling plumber? Obama wanted to tax his small business to help those less successful than him. How insane that these very same Obama supporters thinks it makes sense to tax a struggling business... to help struggling people. Socialist madness.

SE7EN writes:

If you like socialism and high taxes, then Obama is your guy.

joggle writes:

To all of you that think McCain won yet another debate, check what the FOX News commentators are saying: http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/200...

None of them thought McCain knocked out Obama. In fact, they all agree that Obama didn't make any slip ups in the debate. Instead, they focused their scorn on McCain. The majority thought it was either a draw or think that Obama won. The few that thought McCain won didn't explain why they thought he won (even they spent most of their time criticizing him rather than Obama). If you think even FOX News is in the tank for Obama, you have some issues you need to sort out.

Derge writes:

awakenedcitizen writes: "Justone tsk tsk tsk McCain flat out LIED about calming crowds that were ready to lynch or kill--Palin just smirked when people shouted "kill him" McCain made one lame attempt to address someone who called Obama an Arab."
'Kill him' was referenced to AYERS, moron. Ayers=Unabomber. No difference. Neither feels remorse for setting off bombs.
"Arab" came from an elderly lady AND McCain corrected her.

Justone, you are probably not a woman, but a man who calls his wife a c**t in front of people, and a trollop --that man is off my list as presidential material. and that, my friends, is Senator McCain."
Again, my friend, are an idiot AND a liar. Obama supporters and Obama's website sports t-shirts with "Sarah Palin is a C---".

Mr. "Awakened"- McLame, Sarah Failing, Old Fart, Stupid B----... this is CONSTANTLY repeated ad nauseum by Obama sheep.

Keep BAAA BAAA- ing

Derge writes:

joggle writes: "To all of you that think McCain won yet another debate, check what the FOX News commentators are saying: http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/200... None of them thought McCain knocked out Obama. In fact, they all agree that Obama didn't make any slip ups in the debate. Instead, they focused their scorn on McCain. The majority thought it was either a draw or think that Obama won. The few that thought McCain won didn't explain why they thought he won (even they spent most of their time criticizing him rather than Obama). If you think even FOX News is in the tank for Obama, you have some issues you need to sort out."

In fact, I find it intellectually reprehensible your analytical skills lacks to such a degree. The majority believed in a tie/McCain win. Most did agree that Obama was 'cool', like that means a d@mn thing. SUBSTANCE and proven effective leadership trumps some smooth talking liar. Car salesmen are 'cool' too... while they are r@ping you of your money, lying, and selling you a lemon.

SteveM writes:

The polls are showing that the American people are no longer being fooled by the lies and smears and failed policies and promises of the GOP. John McCain may not be George W. Bush, but he's the closest thing to him that's running; and, therefore, the last thing most of us want to be President.

Tonight on CNN, David Gergen had no idea how to advise John McCain's campaign indicating, clearly, even he thinks it's over for Senator from Arizona. His only advice was for McCain to switch plans to work at saving as many seats in the House and Senate for the GOP as he can and losing honorably.

joggle writes:

Seems my link didn't work, here it is again:

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/200...

Derge: Lets go down the list:

James P. Pinkerton - doesn't give an opinion of who won the debate
Christopher Coffey - doesn't give an opinion of who won the debate
Bob Beckel - Obama won (but he's a Democrat strategist)
Mark Joseph - McCain won (but is author of 'Sarah Barracuda: The Rise of Sarah Palin' so what do you expect?)
Richard Miller - gives advantage to Obama (implying the debate was essentially a tie)
Ellen Ratner - Obama won (bureau chief of Talk Radio News Service)
Lanny Davis - Obama won
Andrea Tantaros - split (gives first 20 minutes of debate and every issue but the economy to McCain, the rest to Obama. Notes that 70% of Americans think economy is the most important issue)
Cal Thomas - McCain won
Fred Barnes - Implies that Obama won the debate. Does say that McCain didn't do what he needed to do and Obama did what he needed to do.
Betsy Newmark - Doesn't say who won the debate, simply criticizes McCain for not being tough enough.

Kiana writes:

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Rangerjoe1 writes:

Its 3:30 am and we have 2350 people polled. I don't trust for one minute these numbers by the rocky Mt. News.

Kiana writes:

Rangerjoe

It's not just this poll, Obama's groupies are doing the freep game on all of the media polls. They are schooled the same as Acorn nuts.

freep:
To slew or cheat an online poll by repeatedly voting (clearing cookies, using proxies) or to make a blog appear to be commented by numerous posters by the same means. (From the practices of the Free Republic or "freepers")

Oh_Wise_One writes:

SteveM- David Gergen? On CNN and he says its over. LOL at your ignorance.
All of your Obamama frontrunners are going to be crying foul when you lose on Nov. 4. It won't be a surprise to some of us who see how the polls are weighted Left to give you advantage. You can try and keep people from coming out to vote for McCain with your cheap theatrics.

1968camaro writes:

Obama wants to raise taxes for large corporations and wants to lower taxes for the middle class. But he does not understand if he raises taxes for corporations they will move from this country has they are now. Me losing my job to India or China etc.. This will not lower taxes for me, because I will be out of a job. Hello! Where I work they have moved some jobs to India already because of high taxes to corporations. Then he claims that he will offer better health insurance by getting the Government involved. Ok, I can keep my health care and he will save me $2k a year. And how could he come up with that number?? What happens when my company can't get a discounted rate anymore because no one will use the existing health care program and I'm forced to go to a Government health facility. Becomes government ran. I bet Obama will not take his family to one of the "Government" walk in clinics that we know of today!! Long waits, care is not good. So if you all want Obama to come in and make "change", he will but at the expense of the middle class. McCain made some valid points about jobs moving over seas. Obama does not understand and is so blind and let's his social life confuse himself on how to run a country. I'm still voting for McCain, I don't want this for my family or me having to be unemployed or forced health care. Do you really think Obama will give us the same health care he gets? Not so!!!

dilligaf writes:

Sorry it took me so long to get in the discussion here. I have been busy voting about 2000 times for Obama to win this debate. That was the easy part. Then I had to go to all the networks CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, & FOX and vote each a couple thousand times. Boy did it make me busy. And now I have to start taking calls from the pollsters today and falsely tell them that I'm voting for Obama when I'm really going to vote for McCain.

Now does that make you feel better out there cons.

PonchoVia writes:

This is the part of the debate that, to me, depicted the true John McCain - the angry, demagogic older man who is out of touch with Americans, particularly American women:

Using his fingers as quotation marks and with his snarky grimace, McCain derisively mocked the "health" of the woman when discussing abortion. Here's McCain's words:

"Just again, the example of the eloquence of Senator Obama. He's 'health' for the mother. You know, that's been stretched by the pro-abortion movement in America to mean almost anything. That's the extreme pro-abortion position, quote, 'health.'"

In that short snippet you see McCain attempting to discredit Obama by mocking women's quote "health". Apparently, McCain doesn't think the "health" of women is that big a deal. McCain appears to be more concerned about pandering to his base by idealogizing about the mother's quote "health", than focusing on, and solving, the real issue - how do we reduce abortions?

PonchoVia writes:

And, by the way, since when is concern for the mother's quote "health" an EXTREME position as McCain stated?

PonchoVia writes:

Women, McCain does not care about your body or rights, whatsoever. To vote for McCain is to say, "yes, government, please control every aspect of my body during pregnancy. Please, government, criminalize my ability to take certain pills or have certain operations done during pregnancy, regardless of my health, or whether I was raped."

McCain is for a Constitutional amendment to ban ALL abortions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAYaQM...

Abortion not important to Cindy McCain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHNG6Z...

quikshot writes:

John McCain failed to separate himself from the Bush agenda last night, failed to score any 'points' against Obama, and importantly, McCain came across as a angry old man. I could not trust his angry finger on the Nuclear trigger, and for me the Nuclear trigger is my primary concern in this election.

amaikovich writes:

To those who argue that trickle up will kill the middle class, I note how 8 years of trickle down hasn't exactly done us any good. Even the king of trickle-down, President George Bush, has repeatedly warned us that we are one step from a depression.

Senator Obama has shown the demeanor and pragmatism to help get us through these tough times. But it will take an effort from everyone.

fastnloose writes:

Vote for Obama,he will lower your taxes! Because you will not have a job after he taxes all the big corporations right out of the country. Hopefully your neighbor will be able to hire you.

dilligaf writes:

fastnloose
When are you going to realize that people aren't buying the typical Republican scare tactics.

UNV_ME writes:

Politics aside... John McCain is not very presidential. His actions and words do not reflect that of an individual I want representing our country.

EXrepublican writes:

Obama took it a clean sweep of all three debates. McCain tried to lower Obama to his level and failed.

so from last nights Debate... whom looks more presidential?

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/...

UNV_ME writes:

I am not understanding people's rants about Obama raising taxes. McCain kept doing it too. How many times do you need to hear that if you make 250K or less a year (95% of us) you will see not tax hike. If you make more than that... well hey... you can afford it.

joggle writes:

fastnloose: Obama doesn't plan on raising any tax higher than what Reagan had them set to. Most taxes will still be much lower than they were during the Reagan years.

If anyone really wonders who won the debate all they need to do is check the blogs at Obama's and McCain's official websites. On McCain's website, he won because his campaign says so. On Obama's website, they don't explicitly say he won but refer to many polls that say undecided voters thought that he won (which is really all that matters). There is also a lot more information posted about the debate on Obama's site vs McCain's and the comments are generally much more positive on Obama's site.

Just compare http://my.barackobama.com/page/conten... to http://www.johnmccain.com/Blog/

It couldn't be more obvious who really won last night's debate (even more obvious than the Biden/Palin debate).

jersey writes:

Once again Obama hands down. Why would McCain allow for these debates to take place in Eastern Time Zones? It's obvious that at the end of each one he looks frazzled and it's well past his bedtime. His ideals and philosophies are just as archaic as his demeanor. My stance would be the heck with the Pacific and Mountain Time Zones having to tune in early, my getting to bed at a decent hour is what's paramount. My vim and zip is not what it once was! Obama on the other hand looks as if he just stepped out of the shower and is asking where to next? The epitome of a long overdue fresh approach from A to Z.

Elwood writes:

How come none of the news channels will "fact check" the Ayers and ACORN stories? Have they gotten the squash 'em message from the O-Camp about these two topics? Or is there too much truth in them and they don't want to smear the chosen one?

I will not vote for a socialist, I would rather waste my vote on an independant.

windbourne writes:

If the taxes go up a bit, but the budget gets balanced, then I am fine with. So far, 99% of ALL CURRENT FEDERAL DEBT belongs to reagan, through W.. The problem has been that only under popa bush was it slowed a bit and then Clinton slowed it a lot. reagan and W accelerated the deficits each years.
At this time, I (and apparently the majority of the voters) say enough of the GD neo-cons. They are corrupt, inept, and are destroying America. They literally seem to have a suicide pact.

joggle writes:

windbourne: "They are corrupt, inept, and are destroying America. They literally seem to have a suicide pact."

You aren't far off the mark. I know Republicans will say you're full of it, but consider that the USSR did not collapse due to being attacked. They collapsed under their own failing economy.

The only way the US can fail is if we fail internally, not from some Al-Qaeda or other foreign power attack. We need serious, thoughtful (like, with a brain) leadership that has been sorely lacking for 8 years and the consequences have been worse than even I thought they would be 8 years ago (the national debt is even higher than what many economists predicted it would be under Bush's tax cuts back in 2000).

UNV_ME writes:

Click around the room on objects... more than once in some cases.. funny but scary as hell.

http://palinaspresident.com/

joggle writes:

Wow, for anyone interested in a great writeup of last night's debate:

http://egan.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10...

Also, check out the opinions. A lot of very intelligent people commenting on that piece.

snow writes:

The economy was strong until Fannie Mae, totally mismanaged by Raines and protected by the likes of Barney Frank finally collapsed, after numerous attempts by the Republicans to control the vast mismanagement. This is just like the Clinton era economy that, that was falsely portrayed as strong when the likes of Enron and others were operating in a similar way as Fannie Mae, we all know what happened when a few months into Bushes first term they collapsed, and proved Clintons economy was all smoke and mirrors. Is this a trend for Democrats, do you really want Obama. Pelosi, Reed, and Barney Frank in charge!?

Derge writes:

Big_D writes: "It is pretty simple to say that Obama will fix our economy. “Trickle Down” economics has been proven a failure under three administrations so far"

Supply-side (SS) economics is a proven model to increase economic growth and benefits the country as a whole. There is some recovery of the initial loss of revenue due to tax cuts, albeit not fully. This is why the model must be accompanied by a reduced federal annual budget. This in turn creates a surplus, allowing the government to reduce the national debt.
http://taxesandgrowth.ncpa.org/resear...
This is the goal of conservatives.
Trickle-down (TD) economics takes the SS model but assumes that the initial revenue loss is recovered not only fully, but increased above pre-tax cut levels. TD is usually accompanied by an increased federal annual budget. This increases the budget deficit and national debt.
This is the goal of neo-conservatives. (Keep in mind that term refers to Democrats that became Republicans).
Statements made that "the rich getting richer and poor getting poorer" is a fallacy due to a lack of understanding economics.
http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com...

Derge writes:

• Income Mobility tracks how people fare based on their tax returns over time. Broken into quintiles (1/5), here is how people’s income moved from 1996 to 2005 in comparison to one another:
Lowest – 57.6% moved up, 42.4% stayed in the lowest quintile
Second – 49.7% moved up, 17% moved down
Middle – 42.1% moved up, 24.6% moved down
Fourth – 30.2% moved up, 29.7% moved down
Highest – 30.6% moved down
Top 1%, 57.4% moved down
Source: Dept of Treasury, May 2008
• Key findings from the study include:
• Substantial income mobility: More than half (56 percent in the table1) of households moved to a higher or lower income quintile between 1996 and 2005.
• Substantial movement out of the bottom quintile: Roughly half (58 percent (57.6 = 100 – 42.4)) by the measure used in the table and 45 percent by another measure reported in the study) of the households initially in the bottom 20 percent of the population moved to a higher quintile by 2005.
• The very high income are an ever changing group: The very high income – the top 1 percent – is a group whose composition changes substantially over time, rather than a fixed group of individuals who receive a larger share of income over time. More than half (57 percent, (57.4 = 100 – 42.6)) of those in the top 1 percent in 1996 had moved to a lower income group by 2005.
• And more good news from the factual world,
• Over two-thirds of households (70.1 percent) increased their real incomes between 1996 and 2005, and median household after-tax income increased by 28.6 percent.
• Increases in real income were the largest for households with the lowest incomes in 1987.
o Among households in the lowest income quintile in 1996, median income increased by just over 90 percent by 2005.
o Real incomes increased over the period for nearly 82 percent of these low-income households and at least doubled for almost half of this group.
• As for income inequality: the percentage grew from 14.67 %(1992) to 21.52% (2000) under Clinton, a growth of 6.85 %.
Yet under Bush II it grew from 21.52 (2000) % to 22.90 % (2006), a growth of 1.38 %.
http://elsa.berkeley.edu/~saez/TabFig...
(Research thanks to Steve Petrie on 9/25/2008)

303Centennial writes:

After researching other independent sources to confirm Obama's positions and relationships with certain people -- He completely lied to America! How can we trust him and his associates?

avsfanpdx writes:

Let me get this straight, how dare Obama take Joe the plumbers money to help all Americans, but it's okay for McCain to take a woman's right to choose what happens with her own body? Thanks but no thanks.

chill134 writes:

Next time you see someone wearing an Obama shirt or sporting a cool bumper sticker on their car, kindly ask them what specifically they like about his policies and what qualifies him to be President. I think you'll find his supporters think it's "cool" to follow him but don't have a clue what he stands for.

That said, I realize Palin is NOT qualified to be Pres, and neither is GW, so stay away from those in your rebuttals. Thanks.

reshas1 writes:

Obama looked like a sweaty little boy.. To many ers, uh, duhs.

http://www.timesleader.com/news/break...

Obama is not qualified to be president.

robertzimmerman writes:

"little boy"

Care to rephrase that?

joggle writes:

chill134: "Next time you see someone wearing an Obama shirt or sporting a cool bumper sticker on their car, kindly ask them what specifically they like about his policies and what qualifies him to be President. I think you'll find his supporters think it's "cool" to follow him but don't have a clue what he stands for.

That said, I realize Palin is NOT qualified to be Pres, and neither is GW, so stay away from those in your rebuttals. Thanks."

To Obama supporter: Just reply, "OK, you acknowledge that Palin isn't qualified, yet McCain has said over and over again that she is. Isn't that one of the most significant lies a presidential candidate can make?"

I drive a Prius with a cool Obama bumper sticker. Feel free to stop and challenge me any time on anything about Obama's policies or history. But be ready to field some challenges I have for McCain supporters.

Speak writes:

“I'm about to open an anger management school and offer the first three months to McCain for free”!!!!

And while you are at it keep the business under 250K or you will have to “spread your wealth”, which will make you angry and then you will have to take some of those classes yourself.

“What a disgrace and embarrassment to our country's government”

That’s no way to talk about your boy NOBama.

“I HOPE that you all enjoy the CHANGE from a free nation of capitalist to an enslaved nation”

And just think for all us Black folk the slave owner is NOBama, “Change ”we can feel good about.

“Too obvious that Obama is just a slick talker if they print that one”.

NOBama not so slick, more like a “JIVE talker”.

“How could anyone vote for someone as psycho emotionally unstable as John McCain?

The same way anyone can vote for a compulsive liar, hating on White people behind their back, squelch the American dream, kill unborn babies, hush money dealing, putting down “Old Glory”………NOBama.

“Even top US Military generals don't trust him”.

Oh yeah! The one’s NOBama sights. Iran’s military loves NOBama, that’s comforting.

“McCain was doing all he could to control his temper".
NOBama doing all he can to keep the lies alive, grin and bear it keep lying.

“His ACORN/Ayers/Rezko cronyism runs deep.”

Straight down the pockets of your family and mine.

"The polls are showing that the American people are no longer being fooled by the lies and smear and failed policies and promises of the GOP.

You had a typo you seem to speak for ALL THE AMERICAN people. Well some of the American people you forgot to poll, believes the smears and fail policies of the DEMS are just that failed policies of the DEMS.

“Abortion not important to Cindy McCain”.

Nor for NOBamas Mama…He was born alive.

“Obama is not qualified to be president”.

Yes he is, President of Acorn, President of the Rainbow Coalition, President of any terrorist network group, President of Ebony and Jet Magazines, President of the BET network, President of any Liberal College, President of the United Negro College Fund, and President of a Socialist Country.

joggle writes:

BTW, virtually all of the replies I've received when challenging a McCain supporter is to the effect that they are voting against Obama (usually because they think he's a socialist). It's as if the entire election is all about Obama.

RichDen writes:

It was apparent in the third debate that Senator McCain has never faced the necessity of obtaining health care on his own. As a self-employed group of one, my health care plan has a $3,000 per person deductible, and I pay approximately $18,000 per year in health insurance premiums. Apparently, however, I must have what Senator McCain called a gold-plated Cadillac insurance policy because it covers transplants, which he lumped together with cosmetic surgery. I'm certain that those awaiting organ transplants are not pleased to be equated with those wanting facelifts. Fortunately, Colorado has certain mandates, without which I would be unable to obtain health insurance at all. Under McCain's plans, those mandates would likely be undermined. If you have never spoken with someone who has had the unfortunate experience of obtaining their own health insurance, please do so to understand the full ramifications of the issue.

joggle writes:

Speak: Who are you trying to convince? Anybody that agrees with you on anything would already be voting for McCain.

Derge writes:

joggle writes: "To Obama supporter: Just reply, "OK, you acknowledge that Palin isn't qualified, yet McCain has said over and over again that she is. Isn't that one of the most significant lies a presidential candidate can make?"
(More qualified than Obama. Community organizer and 2 years senate making no hard stance with his 'Present' votes versus City Council, Mayor & Governor work, you know, real responsibilities. PS: Obama's community organizing was Public Allies, ACORN and Chicago Annenberg Challenge, the latter being an admitted dismal failure)
"I drive a Prius"
(I doubt that.)
"Feel free to stop and challenge me any time on anything about Obama's policies or history."
(Without a proof it will be hard for you to stay accurate, as even Obama can't keep his policies accurate. Example: He states OFTEN that 95% of Americans get a tax cut, when 32.6 don't pay taxes and his OWN WEBSITE states a childless single gets NO TAX CUTS)
But be ready to field some challenges I have for McCain supporters.
(Don't forget to simply state any rebuttal against you as "That's a lie" when it fact the proof is evident. You supporters do it ALL THE TIME)

V_twinMan writes:

95% of Americans will get tax cuts + 32.6% who don't pay any income tax =122.6% of Americans who will get tax cuts.
Simple economics, Right?

V_twinMan writes:

95% of Americans will get tax cuts + 32.6% who don't pay any income tax =127.6% of Americans who will get tax cuts.
Simple economics, Right?

ImissColo writes:

WOW! I can't believe all the venom spewing out. It is ENOUGH to say who you thought won or lost the debate, but all the personal attacks on each other are nonproductive. Whether you are for McCain (my personal choice) or Obama is enough said. Go to the poll and vote your conscience. The rest of the drivel is not making anyone on either side change their mind. The only person(s) getting anything out of these postings are psychologists.

Now go be nice to someone!

Speak writes:

"The only person(s) getting anything out of these postings are psychologists."

Any psychologists worth their weight will concur that this is exactly the therapy one needs, before one shows up at a polling booth. Who can afford therapy.

This is what is great about America least you forgot
“Freedom of speech”. How helpful it was for you to practice it.
Why take that from the rest of us!

Feeling the Love.

joggle writes:

Vtwinman: You are correct. A 100% accurate statement would have to be qualified in some way, such as, "95% of Americans will get tax cuts unless they already pay no income tax". However, you're being extraordinarily pedantic. When has someone running for president ever made such a statement? Several recent presidents have promised to cut taxes for everyone (including Reagan and Bush Jr) but ever since there was a federal income tax a substantial portion of the population didn't pay an income tax at all (originally only the very rich payed an income tax).

Derge: "(I doubt that.)"

Don't know why you would doubt that I drive a Prius. They are relatively inexpensive cars (~$20k) and relatively easy to find in Boulder (where I work). Before the Prius, I drove another stereotypical Boulderite car, a Saab (a classic 900 at that). As they say, when in Rome do as the Romans (or when you're buying cars, buy what's available).

If you want proof, the only thing I can think of is to tell you something that only a Prius driver would likely know. My car has key-less entry, so all I have to do to start the car is have my key in my pocket and press the power-on button. If I don't have my foot on the brake the car will turn on in accessories mode. If I press the power button again it will switch to drive mode. Another press would turn it off. If my foot is on the brake when I press the button it will turn on in drive mode. Another thing I can think of that probably not even most Prius drivers know is that it's impossible to lock the keys in the car when key-less entry mode is enabled (believe me, I tried. I wanted to do some scuba diving and wanted to leave the electronic part of the key in the car but the car kept unlocking itself when I tried to lock it with the mechanical key with the electronic part in the car, no matter where I tried to put it. Fortunately, you can disable key-less entry if you really want to by pressing a button underneath the dash)

joggle writes:

I could either write a very long post in regards to Obama's experience relative to Palin's, I could copy an enormous amount of text that refutes your claims on other sites, I could post links that you won't click on or I can simply leave your assertions unchallenged. I will essentially leave them unchallenged because I need to go (unless you promise to actually click on the links) but will remind you that the son of the National Review's creator was just fired as an op-ed writer for them for endorsing Obama, in large part because he thought Sarah Palin is unqualified to be VP and reflects badly on McCain's judgment. He isn't the first conservative writer to get in hot water for criticizing her qualifications either. Heck, even a lot of people in Alaska that like her don't think she's qualified to be president (to be fair, a lot of people in Alaska also think she's qualified -- but contrast that with Illinois, where it's nigh on impossible to find someone that likes Obama but think he's unqualified to be president, and there's a heck of a lot more people in Illinois so you would think you'd be able to find some).

Really, who looked more like a president last night? Obama, with his cool, collected demeanor or McCain who was continuously blinking his eyes, seemed to have difficulty controlling his temper, and was rather churlish with some of his answers? The most similar president I could think of with mannerisms like that was Nixon, the only president that could give Bush a run on his money for unpopularity.

HolierThanThou writes:

The right wing is going down hard and many are those who post refusing to face facts.

Your poster boy, Bush, has finally somewhat succeeded at something but he had to apply a huge international socialist fix to the problem.

More Americans are facing the fact that their health insurance companies are just ripping them off. If you can afford health insurance then, chances are, you can afford to simply pay out of pocket and get a discount on the reduced bean-counting, debates with corporate lackeys, and paperwork.

Capitalism is a dismal failure. If Americans bothered to read history this would have come as no surprise. It failed miserably in the 1930s, well before the collapse of communism. America is moving toward a socialist business model where the largest block of capital is owned by the people, much like the Chinese who've been kicking our economic butts.

Many of us are very glad that we sobered up a long time ago and took a long hard look at the hooey spooned out by American marketing hucksters. Free markets are an illusion. The biggest enemy of small business is big business. And capitalists are inherently incompetent and must be carefully managed both in their behavior and by regulating what they pay themselves with an iron fist.

America has a bright future, a sober future with leadership that embraces facts, solves problems, and serves the public first.