Who did the best in the second presidential debate?

fed_up writes:

mccain is NOT my friend

mobbs1107 writes:

McCain won hands down...experience over talk!

Confusedone writes:

Obama Wins!!!! What was McCain's comment about "that one" about? Uh oh.

avsfanpdx writes:

Obama killed him. Health care is a RIGHT!

UteBill writes:

Yep, McCain cleaned up.

Tough row for the libs.

McCain/Palin '08!

redbarn9 writes:

John McCain is a scary Bush robot - I am not sure he is even real he is so out of touch.

aRe writes:

mccain lost - he looked like a peevish little old man.

Shaupeen writes:

I think McCain was doing the robot for a while there. He's a man who needs a podium. At times he looked lost, wandering around like he couldn't find the Depends in Wal-Mart.

I listened to the first half on the radio, then watched the second half on TV. Obama won both.

dallrace writes:

McCain. And I only voted once.

commoncents writes:

McCain left the stage and Obama and his wife stayed and talked to the audience. Not very elite behavior. Obama clearly has a better vision for this country and how to get it done. McCain is all talking points and distractions.

homeradam writes:

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INC writes:

McSame lost AGAIN...
He should learn side stepping Questions makes him look like his side kick Sarah. Certainly not someone capable of running our country.
Obama was Cool and much more comfortable in John McCains "style of Debate" than McCain did. "Town Hall" was it?

commoncents writes:

homeradam, when did being of low income become an indicator of worth to being an American? These are the people that fight our wars and are the labor this country is built on. This is a typical attitude that places blame on the poor while allowing the wealthy to plunder the country.

UteBill writes:

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j_jetson_s writes:

I'm confused. "Conservatives": is Obama an elitist or does Obama pander to the "low income filth polluting this country?"It's gotta be one or the other, folks.

Also, every time you try to highlight the similarity between Obama's first or middle names to those of known terrorists, you're just showing your ignorance and bigotry. Grow up and put some substance in your arguments.

INC writes:

homeradam,
you are of the same vile that has ruined opportunity in this country.
Money buys your happiness does it not?
How much did YOU get from (savings and loan, Haliburton, KBR or this Current bailout?)
Plundering and embezzling from the US treasury is not patriotic.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

LaszloPanaflex writes:

McCain wants to buy up all the bad mortgages, fix energy, health care, Social Security, win the wars, bomb Iran ... and cut taxes. It's magic!

His wife has been buying him whatever he wants for too long.

UteBill writes:

dink -

Get a job. You're vile is not welcome.

Jack_Durden writes:

McCain's done for... He should at least try to lose with some dignity.

INC writes:

tUteBill,
I have a job in fact my taxes will go up with Obama's plan.
I feel the same as Warren Buffet. I feel it is shameful that I pay less in taxes (by percentage) than my secretary.

Unlike you, homerdam and McCain, I have respect for other Americans. Not just the wealthy.

Schell77 writes:

Neither candidate had much substance from my perspective. Obama looked like he was going to ask us to sacrifice something for our country in dire straits, but whiffed on it. McCain wouldn't even step up to the plate on it! Ugh.

I think the debate was pretty much a draw, but Obama is the fresher candidate, and the result tonight lets him clear another hurdle. I just hope that whoever wins has a functioning country to govern by the time January 2009 rolls around. Either way it'll be an improvement over the worst presidential administration since Andrew Johnson.

smilek writes:

Obama Obama Obama - Take us to the promised land. We are ready Obama. We are ready to follow you anywhere. Oh Obama We love you.

GladysKravitz writes:

McCain just can't deliver...all he has left in his pocket is the dirty politics and america is tired of it. OBAMA 08!

dirkle writes:

Obama 2 - cryptkeeper 0
"turn out the lights ... the party's over ...."

SteveM writes:

SNL is going to have fun with this debate.

Did anyone else count the number of times that Obama went first on a question and then waited and watched the exact same words come out of John McCain's mouth? It's really kind of hilarious.

Father writes:

The aging myth McCain was INCOHERENT! John McCain could NOT speak in proper English - just like his buffoon predecessor W.

McCain's bullcrap - "I can do that- my friends" maybe used to work when he was NOT part of the problem, but he supported Bush 90% on GOP policy issues and should be put in jail!

It's a Obama landslide !!! Praise be to god...

angryrepublican writes:

The only thing McPain won was membership to the Hair Club for Men!

Rangerjoe1 writes:

Once again, the Rocky Mt.News poll gets padded by some hugh lead. Probubly before it was open. I don't buy this poll for one minute.

dilligaf writes:

Rangerjoe1
Well why don't you go to CNN and all of the other polls. But you will find they also show Obama winning big. You cons just can't except the fact that it's not looking good for the old man. A lot of you all still think Nixon didn't do anything wrong too.

JohnWalker writes:

Does anyone else feel uneasy constantly being referred to as "my friends" by Senator McCain? I don't know. I just feel like he is going to try to sell me some snake oil or something - like a used car salesman (no offense meant to car salesmen). It really makes me uncomfortable...

Lanchelover writes:

Americans take off the blinders...McCain did a 100% better job in this debate than Obama. I can not remember a single question that Obama answered. As a matter of fact, at one point, McCain even said "I'll answer the question" after Obama repeated some garbage that came from every other speech he has made. Obama did not say anything that we have not heard repeatedly. Look back at the transcript and you will see who actually won this debate, the man that answered every question posed to him...John McCain.

I do not believe that McCain is anything like Bush, and quite frankly it scares me that Americans are ready to elect a man that has been in the senate for approximately 150 work days as President of the United States of America. This is not a game of "lets get back at Bush"...this is a game of terrorists that want us removed from this planet, and Obama does not have the experience or fight to keep us safe. I do not love everything about McCain, but I know that he will keep us safe from terrorists, and I believe that he will fix the economy, and he will make our government more transparent. In four years maybe we will have two better choices, but I believe in my heart that McCain would be best to lead this country out of the two options that we have.

RonInWestminster writes:

Of the more scientific polls, 85% of Democrats felt Obama did a better job whereas just 64% of Republicans felt that McCain did a better job in last night's debate.

Those results were from actual pollsters rather than the highly unreliable polls like on news paper websites that often allow you to vote more than once.

Game On!
27 Days to go.

1968camaro writes:

Obama is full of hot air, he has no experience to run this nation. McCain has some experience. Obama skates over every question and is a sarcastic idiot! He has to have the last word in, but never makes any sense what so ever! He is the one that like to point the finger all the time about Bush admin and last eight years. Well, if the idiot looks at the facts, Democrats messed up Fannie/Mae and Freddie Mack. And if the "FOOL" does get in office, he will point the finger again back at the Bush admin and last eight years for "FAILING" as he pathetic self will. As a way out for failure. As far as health care, he wants to supposedly impose health care for "children". Are you all idiots and blind? This will lead to government controlled health care and that is not good for anyone. Raise taxes for the wealthy, does not the wealthy provide jobs for the middle class? You Obama followers are blind again! If that happens let us see how many of our jobs go over sea's or they just might have made enough money and shut the doors. Good bye jobs! McCain is not the best, but he is all we have. The questions last night were pathetic. How many were screeded by the Democrats last night to assist in "attempting" to make Obama look good. He is a socialist is all he is. Blows smoke and you can't even see it.

McCain/Palin 08

dilligaf writes:

Lanchelover
You and 1968camaro need to give Americans more credit than you want to. Now I would say there is a small percentage that may have blinders on. But to think 87% of us do is BS. Face the fact that your man is going down. And it really began when he picked Barbie the attack dog as a running mate. I watched CNN's coverage after the debate last night and every Republican strategist admitted that McCain didn't deliver. So why can't you see it?

SanctuaryCity writes:

Looking at the vote, there appears more acorn graduates on the loose and you wonder why the economy is hosed up.

Lanchelover writes:

McCain was not my man until last night. I have truly kept an open mind through all of the debates, and interviews, and I just can't seem to see Barack Obama as Commander in Chief of our great nation. The terrorist threat that stares at us is just waiting for Obama to get into office because he has no stance against it...or if he does I have yet to hear it. I know that he hates the Patriot Act, which has stopped a lot of terrorist plans from being developed. I also know that he feels like captured terrorists in Gitmo should receive a fair trial in our courts (TERRORISTS deserve a fair trial). Hmmm!

I guess that I would like to see Obama do a tough interview and actually answer the questions that are asked rather than keep spewing the same campaign speech he has used since the start. Somebody give me a substantial accomplishment that Obama has made that benefitted the American people since he has been in the senate, or one time that he stood up to person(s) in his party to oppose something because hhe had a strong belief. It can't be done, because he has been the greatest benefactor of IN-ACTION.

Barack Obama has not stood on any position since he started his campaign. He seems to benefit the most from American voters just by keeping his mouth shut long enough to see what the people think, and then take a slight dip in that direction to get the voters to think that is what he stands for. I truly believe that he is a con, and when he is voted into office I believe that he will be exposed for what he truly is.

To be 100% honest...I am scared to death to put Obama in office.

Woodrow writes:

Lanchelover, your arguments are weak and you are a tool.

Marshdale writes:

Simple Mind; Please use some intellectual honesty.

Lanchelover writes:

Have I attacked anyone because they do not share my opinion? How about a legit conversation, with points, and facts, rather than just name calling, which shows zero intelligence or maturity. Also you don't need to cut and paste my entire writing in order to make your point.

Everybody defends Obama, but there is nothing to defend because he has done NOTHING. Since he has done nothing everybody talks about what a great talker he is, and how intelligent he is, and his vision for America (which may or may not be true since this is an election). He is a lawyer, so he speaks well, is obviously intelligent, and may pronounce words well, but does that make him Presidential material?

Again I ask somebody to tell me anything that he has done in the Seante that has made a positive difference in the lives of Americans, or one time that he stood up to his democratic party because he truly believed in something. I do not believe it can be done.

quikshot writes:

I am not John McCain's friend, and I'm not winking.

Woodrow writes:

Lanchelover, the only reason I called you a tool is that I am so tired of talking to people that voted for Bush....um....TWICE (and don't try to tell us that you didn't) and went on and on about how they were right and how everyone that voted for Gore and Kerry was wrong and that Bush was going to do this and that, etc., etc., etc.

Turns out, Bush practically destroyed our country and it will take alot of hard work and pain to dig us out.

Having said that, all the Bushies and neo cons have lost all credibility so why should anyone listen to anything you and your ilk have to say now?

Do you even realize how many conservatives have turned on Bush?

McFailin is an extension of Bush (better, but still an extension)

End of argument.

ifyem writes:

Lanchelover,

Tell me one thing McCain has done in the Senate that has DIRECTLY improved the lives of Americans..Pretty hard to accomplish anything in the logjam that we call the Senate, especially when Bush has the veto power and the majority isn't filibuster proof..I'm not trying to make excuses, but why were you not scared when W. first ran for office..He was relatively unknown, and had no foreign policy experience except for his daddy's bedtime stories..Stop listening to the right-wing nutjobs and have an open mind buddy...

UNV_ME writes:

Barack Obama... The next President of the United States of America

John McCain... John who?

saneone11 writes:

Little Johnny cheated on his first wife, Carol Shepp McCain, then dumped her after she was in a car wreck. Source: Time Magazine, Sept 8, 08. Cindy, his current wife (the one with the blue dress on last night) has provided him with 6+ houses/condos and 13 vehicles. PS: He lost the debate again too!

Buff4Life writes:

I'm for Obama, and I thought it was a draw. Here's why;

McCain seemed to win some points - commander in chief point, probably, however the "I know how to catch Osama Bin Laden" statement was weird and out of touch, it seemed. A simple response to this statement shows how strange it. Something like "Really? Then why havn't you told G.W. & General Petreus about this plan of yours? Or if you have, then why haven't they implemented it? Or if they have implemented it, why hasn't it worked?". Anyways, his "tough guy" stance works with a lot of voters, i'm sure.

However, McCain lost on style & unfortunately, style means A LOT in American politics. The "that one" statement went off very badly.

And I think Obama won on Social Security and the Economic Crisis. McCains statement of "I know how to fix it, it's easy" was just crazy. Oh, sure McCain is Mr. Genius with an easy fix to Social Security. Statements like that make him look less than credible on every other statement he makes. Plus, Obama's tax plan and knowledge of the crisis seemed much better than McCain's, unless you're a greedy S.O.B. and make more than $250K/year and don't care about putting our county in debt.

Overall, really nothing huge. Obama and McCain did fine. So, Obama will likely win this thing, esp. with Palin on the McCain ticket. No sensible person in his/her right mind should vote for McCain with the liklihood we'd see Palin in the oval office. She is dumb as a box of rocks, and that's giving rocks credit - at least they don't think Putin flies around in the airspace of Alaska.

Lanchelover writes:

Bush can not be solely blamed for all of the mess in America. I completely agree that he has botched some things up, but he has also had some pretty difficult times to preside over: Sep.11, Katrina, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Fannie/Freddie. I am split on my thinking about whether we should have gone to Iraq, but the point is, we are there, and we can not leave until the job is complete. We have sacrificed blood and money there and we can not have done that for nothing.

I copied this from Fact Check of the debate: There are a few others from both parties, but this is definitely the most telling, and the one that really plays the most into our present problem. There is plenty of finger pointing to be done, but it seems pretty apparent who deserves a larger portion of that blame in the largest financial disaster of most of our lives. Again Obama was nowhere to be seen helping the people, but instead he was sitting back receiving the kickbacks from Freddie/Fannie.

OBAMA: "I believe this is a final verdict on the failed economic policies of the last eight years, strongly promoted by President Bush and supported by Senator McCain, that essentially said that we should strip away regulations, consumer protections, let the market run wild, and prosperity would rain down on all of us. It hasn't worked out that way. And so now we've got to take some decisive action."

THE FACTS: McCain has indeed favored less regulation over the years but supported tighter rules and accountability on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years before the start of a financial crisis prompted in part by those giant mortgage underwriters. Obama was not a leader in that unsuccessful effort. Some of the current problems can be traced to legislation passed in 1999 that lifted many regulations over the financial industry. That deregulation was championed by then-Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas, a McCain supporter, but also by President Clinton, who signed the legislation, and by former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, now a top Obama economic adviser.

UNV_ME writes:

FYI everyone... RMN only lets you vote once. So find another excuse to why your candidate s#cks.

anthony1979 writes:

"Obama will lead us to the Promise Land"? WOW...keep worshipping him...maybe he'll walk on water next!

Truthfully, I'm not a fan of either. It's scary to think there's people that actually think of Obama the way the person that left that comment does, as well as a bunch of other nutjobs believing he is a savior of some kind.

I'm not for gay marriage but Obama is riding the fence. During his acceptance speech he said they deserve the right, THEN in the VP debate Biden said they ARE NOT going to legalize gay marriage. Obama says what YOU want to hear people THAT'S IT...

KEEP MARRIAGE SACRED PEOPLE. The NATURAL family should always be the forefront.

ifyem writes:

What's your point Lanchelover?? You are obviously voting for McCain..Good for you..Why waste your time trying to convince decided voters that your choice is the better one?? I better way to spend your time would be to volunteer with Camp McCain and make some phone calls..Just don't call me buddy!!

no_more_republicans writes:

Lanchelover wrote:

"but he (Bush) has also had some pretty difficult times to preside over: Sep.11, Katrina, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Fannie/Freddie."

Do you think it's a coincidence that these (and many other) things happened on Bush's watch? I GUARANTEE that not one of these things would've happened had Al Gore - and, whatever you think happened in 2000, it was unquestionably the will of the people that Gore be elected - become president in 2000.

I'm sorry, but, I'm going to have to agree with gmo80 - anyone that voted for Bush TWICE has ZERO credibility to tell me or others how "scary" or "inexperienced" or "different" Obama is. McCain is EXACTLY the same as Bush - there's video out there of McCain BRAGGING about how similar his views are to Bush's, and the only reason he's trying to separate himself now is because Bush's approval ratings are in the toilet.

And, why should we trust McCain's judgment when says "he knows" how to fix Social Security, or "he knows" how to catch Osama bin Laden (especially since he gives zero specifics)? The man has been WRONG about everything else to date - what makes you think he's going to be right this time?

Citizen21 writes:

Lanchelover: good post.

The other thing I found most telling was when asked what you (McCain/Obama) was going to do to fix the crisis, only McCain had an actual answer. He suggested the buying bad mortgages and re-negotiating rates. You may not agee with this, but at least it was a starting point answer. Obama merely pointed fingers at "the last 8 years". I'm so tired of the finger pointing from Washington - I thought he was going to bring change. Fat chance! Obame is not change, he is the SAME.

Macita183 writes:

I'm still not sure who I'm going to vote for this November. While Obama is an excellent speaker he did tend to dodge some of the questions. On the other hand some of McCain's answer weren't believeable, especially about what would be the top priority and he said all of the above.

Boscoboss writes:

They both did fine. I vote Nader, but I could sleep easy with either presidential candidate. Except for the Palin factor. She is a scary nut-job.

I_am_smarter_than_you writes:

Anthony1979, and anyone else spouting the "keep marriage sacred" bull - if you want marriage to remain sacred, you need to get rid of divorce. You know, like how John McCain cheated on his first wife with his #2 wife, all while wife #1 was disabled from an accident. He divorced wife #1 and married wife #2 a few weeks later. So, which of McCain's marriages was sacred?

If you don't like gay marriage, don't do it. But don't go judging someone else for it. The bible that you feel tells you that marriage is sacred also tells you to judge not, lest ye be judged.

ifyem writes:

Nobody ever speaks of McCain's first wife..Pretty sad story for her indeed..Check out this link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/art...

DenGirl writes:

I'm voting for "That One," I am not John's "friend."

zivo24 writes:

Anthony1979,

You're the exact type of person that the despicable Karl Rovian elements of the GOP were thinking about when they forced John McCain to pick Sarah Palin as his running mate - someone who cares more about divisive, "us vs them" wedge issues than anything else.

I have yet to ever see one person who is opposed to gay marriage explain how two gay people having the same marital rights as they do effects them.

Lots of bad things have fallen under the label of being
"traditional"...they way we do have always done things, Anthony - slavery, denying women and people of color the rights to vote, own property, etc.

Just because you call something "traditional" or "natural" doesn't mean it's good.

This is America and we alll supposed to be equal under the law.

If you want to live in a country where religious fundamentalists make and enforce the laws....move to Iran.

UNV_ME writes:

USANumber1....

Sounds like every politician in the history of our country.

ifyem writes:

Give it up USANumber1..You are a hypocrite..

zivo24 writes:

USANumber1 writes:

Obama is one HUGE mouth - Sweet talking, all the right words, & a complete CON!
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And John McCain offered little more than patriotic platitudes..."America is great, Americans are great, there is nothing they can't do, I love this country...."

Yeah...but WHAT IS HE GOING TO DO IF WE ELECT HIM?

He didn't tell us anything. He just shined apples and passed them out.

The only detail he really shared last night was his plan to buy all the bad mortgages and resell them to the homeowners at their home's current market value.

Well, gee...I have a home and mortgate. I made the very wise decision 2 1/2 years ago, when I bought it, to say "Hell NO!" to the ARM's and demanded a fixed rate. I'm struggling financially but because I didn't gamble on one of the mortgages I have never been late on a mortgage payment.

Why should the people who gambled and lost get the break?

Obama gave us specifics about what he intends to do and they are real...and FAIR..solutions in my book. It took a lot of courage for him to say that health care is right because there are too many people in this country who are so selfish that they don't believe that.

At least Obama has the integrity to put himself on the line by saying what he plans to do than just shining us on like McCain does.

zivo24 writes:

USANumber1 writes:

Hey zivo24,

because gay marriage is WRONG! Get over it! If you want to practice homosexuality then do it - just don't try to legitimaze it!

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I don't have to LEGITIMIZE it.

God did....when he created the universe and everything in it.

How dare you question God's judgment, you blasphemous heathen.

LockNLoad writes:

Wake up people and take a close look at Obama. He is feinds with terrorists (Bill Ayers, PLO, Hamas), he was actively involved in the Acorn's mafia style intimidation of banks and mortgage companies to accept unqualified mortgages, he is long time friends with the Hate America Crowd (Rev. Wright and Father Flager), and he is the second largest receiver of gifts and contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in only three years.

Obama, Frank, and Dodd have this financial mess all over their hands, and they will not do a thorough investigation of this problem as it relates to any Democrat. Their focus will be only on cupability of the Bush Administration. They will also fail to mention that Bush raised a red flag to this problem in 2003 and 2004 but hte Dems insisted that there was not a problem and failed to act.

If you think Obama is your friend and he is good for this country, then we might as well start calling each other"commrade" and be ready for big governament involvement, excessive spending, high taxes, and our civil and constitutional rights will be destroyed.

cmr writes:

"Again I ask somebody to tell me anything that he has done in the Seante that has made a positive difference in the lives of Americans, or one time that he stood up to his democratic party because he truly believed in something. I do not believe it can be done."

Secured loose nukes. Obama worked with Republican Richard Lugar of Indiana to secure stockpiles of nukes. Worked with several in the Senate to enact ethic reforms so we don't end up with more Duke Cunninghams, Tom Delays, or Ted Stevens.

You don't have to fight with everybody ala McCain in order to make a difference in this world. Obama is a Democrat because of basic beliefs in the Democratic platform. Little less inner-confliction than we see with McCain. It doesn't bother me a single bit that Obama doesn't argue with his own party over everyday, run of the mill issues.

What do you disagree with your party about?

zivo24 writes:

And USANumber1...

If you and Anthony1979 can get your bags packed fast enough..

There's a flight leaving out of DIA tonight at 8:20pm.

With a connection in London you can be in Tehran by 1:30am on Friday!

You'll be in a country where everyone supports your extremist views..or is too afraid to speak out against them.

That's what you want, isn't it? You can be in a country that has it all ready for you in less than 36 hours!

Lanchelover writes:

no-more-republicans:

you really believe that if Gore was president that Katrina (a natural disaster) would not have happened? Or that Sep. 11 would not have happened? Please vote democrat if you wish, and post if you wish, but at least post something that you can back up.

With Obama you are going to see a rise in taxes, a larger government than we have now (if thats possible), and socialized health care. I am one of the middle-class, and I do not believe that there is going to be a tax cut from Obama when he plans to spend so much. He wants nearly 1,000,000,000 in new spending. How will he pay for his health care plan? With more of our money. Do you realize what adding 45,000,000 people to the health care insured is going to do to supply and demand? It is going to raise the cost of health care for everybody. Worse than that is that 15,000,000 of those are ILLEGAL immigrants. Also, if my father and I need the same surgery, and there are not available resources then a bureaucrat is going to decide which of us will receive the surgery first, and they are going to choose me because they believe my father has a "duty to die". This is the truth about Obama's plan.

Know the facts and their predicted outcomes before you get the tingly feeling you guys get from watching and listening to Onbama speak, and pull the lever. The grass is not greener on the other side of this election.

jonnyrotten writes:

Am I the only one out there who is scared to death about putting either of these guys in the White House? This is truely a "lesser of two evils" exercise.

Pretending that a true difference exists between the two major candidates is a charade of great proportion. Many who help perpetuate this myth believe that significant differences actually do exist. Indeed, on small points there is the appearance of a difference. The real issues, however, are buried in a barrage of miscellaneous nonsense and endless pontifications by robotic pundits hired to perpetuate the myth of a campaign of substance.

Lanchelover writes:

Those of you worried about gay marriage: Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin are 100% against marriage between same sexes. Biden and Palin both said it in the VP debate. They do believe that they should receive benefits, etc. ,but never be allowed to marry.

zivo24 writes:

USANumber1 writes:

zivo24,

Maybe we should legalize marriage between a brother & sister, or brother & brother, etc....their not hurting anyone!
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The problem with "slippery slope" arguments is that the people who use them never have solid ground to stand on.

"Marriage should be a legally recognized union by two consenting, unrelated adults."

Period.

Is marriage about what two people have in their hearts..or what they have between their legs?

Cause you're making it all about genitals.

zivo24 writes:

jonnyrotten,

When you read through these types of threads and see the immaturity of some of your fellow citizens..you should understand why the real issues get buried "in a barage of miscellaneous nonsense and endless pontifications".

Imagine being a candidate and trying to deal with this mentality day in and day out.

Some people are saying that we can't blame the banking crisis only on the greedy lenders...we also have to place some blame on the irresponsible borrowers as well.

Well, the same goes for politics.

We can't sit around and complain about how the politicians don't talk about the real issues when we, the citizens, encumber them with so much other garbage (past associations, divisive wedge issues, character attacks, etc).

In truth, it's we the people who are lowering the bar then expecting the candidates to limbo under it.

In my perspective, and I have been paying alot of attention to this race...Obama has been trying to raise the bar...by sticking to the issues rather than resorting to the proven but despicable tactics of personal attacks and using those wedge issues to divide us. That's why I'm voting for him.