Guantanamo prisoners could go to Colorado's Supermax
Associated Press
Published January 23, 2009 at 8:19 a.m.
Updated January 23, 2009 at 12:32 p.m.
The federal Supermax prison in Colorado is under consideration to house terrorism suspects from Guantanamo Bay, but a spokesman for Gov. Bill Ritter says military prisons in three other states are more likely contenders.
President Barack Obama has ordered the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, closed within a year. A task force will study where the estimated 245 detainees should be sent.
One of the sites under consideration is Supermax, located in Florence about 90 miles south of Denver. Inmates already at Supermax include Zacarias Moussaoui, a Sept. 11 conspirator; Ramzi Yousef, mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center attack; and Richard Reid, who tried to blow up a trans-Atlantic jetliner with a shoe bomb.
Ritter wouldn't oppose transferring the Guantanamo Bay detainees to Supermax because it was built for just that type of high-risk inmate, Ritter spokesman Evan Dreyer said today.
"If Supermax is chosen, there's no reason to take a 'not in my backyard' approach," Dreyer said.
But Dreyer said based on media reports, Ritter believes it's more likely that the Guantanamo Bay inmates who aren't sent to other countries would be transferred to a military prison.
He said Ritter has had no contact from the Obama administration about the possibility of a transfer to Supermax.
U.S. Reps. Doug Lamborn and Mike Coffman, R-Colo., denounced the idea.
Lamborn told 9News he worries about "liberal judges" freeing terror suspects on technicalities. He said he also worries about the terrorism suspects spreading their ideas to other inmates.
Coffman accused Ritter of offering an "open invitation" to keep Guantanamo prisoners in Colorado.
State Rep. Buffie McFadyen, D-Pueblo West, whose district includes Supermax, said a military prison would offer better security. Supermax would need more staff and perhaps even a new detention center to house the Guantanamo prisoners, she said.
State Rep. Cory Gardner, R-Yuma, called the idea "extremely dangerous." Supermax, formally called Administrative Maximum, was built in 1995 for the nation's most dangerous inmates. It can hold 490 prisoners.
Its 7-by-12-foot cells are soundproofed and designed so inmates can't make eye contact with each other. Beds are concrete platforms topped with mattresses. Inmates are allowed outside of their cells for an hour a day.
Guards shot and killed two Supermax inmates and up to 30 other prisoners were injured when a fight broke out in the recreation yard in April. Authorities said up to 200 inmates brawled with rocks, metal, plastic or wood after white supremacist inmates targeted minorities on Hitler's birthday.
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January 23, 2009
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Cowboy63 writes:
They don't deserve to breath the sweet Colorado air.
Send them back to Iraq and let the Iraqi government decide what to do with them. Do it next week and you could have Gitmo closed by Valentine's Day.
January 23, 2009
8:36 a.m.
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Diff writes:
I am not so much concerned where they keep them, as long as the torture tactics are ended, and they have the chance to a trial.
There are surely some who should be held and punished but I fear there may also be those who have done nothing, that are still being held.
Being prisoners of the military I think it should be the military who houses the prisoners however!
January 23, 2009
8:43 a.m.
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RightDownTheMiddle writes:
Most of them are Afghani goat herders sold to us by warlords as being terrorists. They should be allowed to go home. If they have turned into terrorists thanks to our torturing them for 6 years then who could blame them?
I'd be pissed too if someone snatched me up, tortured me and gave me no chance to defend myself in a court of law.
You can count on one hand how many convictions we've gotten out of all the Gitmo detainees. If they are all such awful criminals why can't we convict them and lock them up? Oh that's right....because we tortured the crap out of all of them.
Thank goodness Obama has the brains to see what a black eye Gitmo continues to be for the US. Closing it is extremely wise....
January 23, 2009
8:45 a.m.
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SteveM writes:
Cowboy63, you do realize that there are no prisoners in Guantanamo that are from Iraq? Why would they be sent to "back to Iraq"?
Everyone: you do realize that most of the prisoners have been held for a minimum of 4 years, they've never been charged with a crime, and have never had legal representation? This is the legacy of the Bush Administration.
January 23, 2009
8:46 a.m.
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leavemealone writes:
What about an accidentail stray missile??? oops
January 23, 2009
8:48 a.m.
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TC writes:
Speaking of Florence. That damn shoe bomber is down there already. Everytime I have to take my shoes off at the airport, I want to go down to Florence and beat the living crap out of that SOB.
January 23, 2009
9:02 a.m.
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sheepherder writes:
Return the the middle-East, if they become combatants again, take em out the old fashioned military way. Ohhh, would that be mean? The poor souls!
January 23, 2009
9:12 a.m.
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denverrose writes:
Diff: Poor baby, you have sympathy for them but not for their victims. No other foreigners in the past have ever been given the right to a trial except what this administration proposes. When they step on American soil they are eligible for everything YOU as an American get. I don't think people even think of that because of their bleeding heart liberalism. One more group to whine about how they use are taxes.
January 23, 2009
9:14 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
SteveM writes: "Cowboy63, you do realize that there are no prisoners in Guantanamo that are from Iraq? Why would they be sent to "back to Iraq"?"
- Then send them back to whatever country they were taken in. If they were fighting in Iraq - then let Iraq decide their fates.
SteveM writes: "Everyone: you do realize that most of the prisoners have been held for a minimum of 4 years, they've never been charged with a crime, and have never had legal representation? This is the legacy of the Bush Administration."
Choosing to be a terrorist is a dangerous hobby. If they didn't want to do the time, they should have Chosen a different way to spend their leisure time. No sympathy - they made their Choices.
No follow-up terrorist attacks on US soil since 9/11 is also the legacy of the Bush administration. No small feat. We'll see if Obama can tick off 4 or 8 years and still be able to make the same claim. For the record - I hope he will be able to.
January 23, 2009
9:15 a.m.
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kmeissner writes:
Diff I couldn't have said it better.
Also, I thought Obama tried to get the detainees home countries to take these prisoners and they don't want them either? Thoughts?
January 23, 2009
9:23 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
Where is all you dummies that where saying yesterday Obama was going to turn all these guys loose to terrorize us. It just goes to prove that the right will jump and cry about s--t that they don't know the whole story. Gee people my understanding there is only 61 of these guys. Don't quote me this just what a co-worker told me this morning. Heck we have that many gang bangers in a couple blocks in some neighborhoods down town.
January 23, 2009
9:25 a.m.
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LockNLoad writes:
We should be concerned where they house these prisoners. The communities where they are housed will automatically be targets for future terrorist attacks. This has been proven in other foreign countries. This is why nobody wants them.
Once again, they do not deserve the same rights as US citizens. It has already been shown that those who have been released or transferred to other countries have returned to the battlefield.
January 23, 2009
9:33 a.m.
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KW writes:
Diff, Right - You as well as many others miss an important difference. These are terrorists, not US citizens who broke the law, have been arrested and are entitled the right to a speedy trial. Do you understand the difference? This isn't about whether evidence was obtained "legally" nor is it about their Miranda rights (which they do not have UNLESS you put them in US courts).
And why so much distrust of our intelligence agencies? You immediately assume the vast majority of these terrorists to be innocent and unjustifiably detained without having any actual knowledge about the reason for their detainment. You're quick to accuse the US of wrong doing yet totally support the notion that the only reason some release-ees have returned to terrorism is because we locked them up in the first place. Why are these most wildest of possibilities the very first ideas you glom on and stick to?
It all boils down to this... You really only have two choices in this matter and I hope you make the right one.
You can either trust our intelligence professionals to use the best possible judgement in identifying threats to US citizens, or tie the agencies hands so tight that they can do absolutely nothing about any possible threat they become aware of no matter how much evidence they have or not.
January 23, 2009
9:44 a.m.
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glowrock writes:
Where is the proof, and I mean PROOF, that they're terrorists? So many people here ASSUME that everyone held at Guantanamo is a proven terrorist... My hunch tells me that there are definitely some terrorists held there, but that quite a few were just swept up in the heat of the moment without much if any evidence whatsoever.
January 23, 2009
9:46 a.m.
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Newenergycommie writes:
How can they be put in Supermax without a trial by their peers or a conviction? Shouldn't they get bail? While they await trial? If they weren't read their rights they should be kicked loose.
January 23, 2009
9:55 a.m.
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Nobama writes:
Pure political symbolism. Take these prisoners and disburse them. Move 'em around and pretty soon the attention is not focused on the problem any longer. Problem solved. People are so gullible and idealistic they can't see the wool being pulled over their eyes. This will be the MO of the Obama presidency, and it works great.
January 23, 2009
9:58 a.m.
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pinewood writes:
These prisoners have dishonored Allah by being captured alive. The true valor of a martyr is death. Don't send them to American prisons, send them to Allah. Kill them all.
January 23, 2009
10:02 a.m.
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LockNLoad writes:
glowrock:
These guys were captured on the battlefield. I'm pretty sure they weren't there having a picnic. Wong place a the wrong time.
How about they come and stay at your house while they wait for trial?
They can sit around and eat granola and talk to the butterflies.
Jeez. Give me a break.
January 23, 2009
10:03 a.m.
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jbowen43 writes:
Supermax was built for this kind of prisoner. Bring 'em on.
January 23, 2009
10:06 a.m.
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ldestampin writes:
If they are sent here, will Gov. Ritter give them all Ag. Trespassing and set them all free?
January 23, 2009
10:24 a.m.
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Nobama writes:
I just read this, and I love it! Poetic justice for San Francisco, if it would ever happen. What's more, I honestly think it makes perfect sense. Check it out:
"Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., suggests sending detainees of the terrorist detention facility at soon-to-be-closed Guantanamo Bay in Cuba to the former Alcatraz Island prison facility in San Francisco Bay."
January 23, 2009
10:35 a.m.
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Fireball writes:
These detainees need to be spread throughout prisons across the country or other countries to keep them separate, without the ability to communicate with each other and hatch a sinister plot to kill more people. This also assists the NIMBY's who justifiably do not want all 245 in their backyard.
These guys are toxic waste and should be treated like such. No state or municipality wants to be the recipient of a toxic waste dump. By spreading them out, you lessen the risk and impact to a single community. You also lessen the power of a large group in prison and makes it easier to mete out a little prison justice. Even some prisoners have honor and morals which could go a long way in helping eliminate this threat, if you know what I mean.
January 23, 2009
10:42 a.m.
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Michael writes:
"Pure political symbolism. Take these prisoners and disburse them. Move 'em around and pretty soon the attention is not focused on the problem any longer. Problem solved. People are so gullible and idealistic they can't see the wool being pulled over their eyes. This will be the MO of the Obama presidency, and it works great." - Nobama
Truest words written here today. It deserved to be posted again because it so aptly describes what we are in for in the next 4 years. We have a perfectly good, brand new facility built SPECIFICALLY for housing terrorists and enemy combatants away from the US population. It is run by the greatest, the most professional, and the most humanitarian military ever to walk the earth and what do the liberals want to do? Close it and create multiple, dispersed problems rather than one centralized location to deal with it all. Insanity.
January 23, 2009
10:49 a.m.
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denverrose writes:
I vote for San Francisco... they LOVE terrorists and illegal aliens... they are an avowed sanctuary city... PLEASE OBAMA send them there, not to Colorful Colorado!
January 23, 2009
10:56 a.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Make those who support closing Gitmo house them. Every Obama supporter can take turns housing them.
January 23, 2009
11:02 a.m.
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V_twinMan writes:
The majority of those currently held at Gitmo were enemy combatants captured on the battlefield.
They are not required under law those rights afforded to American citizens nor do they deserve them.
They are Jihad loving ba$terds who wish death upon you and your family. They will be represented by jihad loving, American hating lawyers, and if found not guilty or innocent by technicalities,will be released into the general population, living in your neighborhoods, next to your children's schools plotting ways to further their agenda, which is death to all those who do not agree with their beliefs.
January 23, 2009
11:06 a.m.
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davies writes:
I will admit that it is possible that one or a few of these prisoners may have suffered under false accusations of pretense. God bless them and God forgive us, but the truth is often hard to determine, especially in love and war, and in some cases the truth lies somewhere between pure guilt and pure innocence.
But to say that most of them are just goat herders is simply dishonest rationalizing by those who refuse to acknowledge any threat to this country that may cause them to have to face hard choices. What's more, it is close to treasonous slander of the men and women who are doing their best to protect us. We don't knowingly imprison innocent goat herders. That would be a foolishly 'liberal' use of our military detention resources.
January 23, 2009
11:06 a.m.
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44roger writes:
trust the government to make the decisions? These are the same people who ignored the warning of planes going into buildings from the FBI in AZ. the same government who has yet to fix Social security, our taxes, let corporations rip off the taxpayers, let coal fired power plants pollute more than all the cars in the country, confirmed a sec of the treasury who cheated on his taxes, made Hillary Clinton the sec of state, imprisoned two border patrolmen for doing their job, allows illegals all over the country, let bush start a useless war in Iraq, thinks they can fix Africa's problems, eliminate aids, --need I go on?
January 23, 2009
11:09 a.m.
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pinewood writes:
sideshowbob calling everyone else clowns, now that's the definition of ironic.
January 23, 2009
11:10 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
Nobama
People are gullible alright. For 8 years they had the wool pulled over their eyes and bought everything Bush told them. Boy we all know how truthful this criminal was. So when he says all of these prisoners are terrorists boy I'm going to believe him. RIGHT!!!!!!
January 23, 2009
11:11 a.m.
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Shaupeen writes:
Oh, so they WON'T be just turned loose into the streets like some of the neo-con chicken-littles were ranting about yesterday? Hmmm. Interesting.
January 23, 2009
11:21 a.m.
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davies writes:
Anyone who was assuming that these prisoners would simply be freed just because Gitmo is going to be closed, is just gullible or stupid or both. It doesn't make conservative thought any less valid, just because there are Chicken Littles among conservatives. Lord knows, the liberals have their own Chicken Littles!
There WILL likely be at least some symbolic-level effort to free a few of the prisoners before too long, to make certain people feel good. I pray that those who are freed do not victimize any innocents.
January 23, 2009
11:30 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
davies, they will probably get you first! ;) You're probably closer than most of us here.
January 23, 2009
11:35 a.m.
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luvwknd writes:
Kill'em All!
January 23, 2009
11:36 a.m.
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davies writes:
Heidi, that's true, but then I'm not an 'innocent' anyway.
Some of the rural folk down here leave an older car outside with the keys in it, just in case an escapee happens by. Maybe they leave a map to Denver on the front seat too ;-)
January 23, 2009
11:43 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
davies, leave a note on your map that there are plenty of jobs up here that Americans won't do! I need someone to trim my toenails.
January 23, 2009
11:55 a.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
davies writes:
"Anyone who was assuming that these prisoners would simply be freed just because Gitmo is going to be closed, is just gullible or stupid or both. "
You're calling the Obama administration "gullible or stupid or both."?
Even the Obama administration has admitted that only SOME of those held at Guantanamo will be tried in the US, and the rest will be freed.
"I pray that those who are freed do not victimize any innocents."
Considering that 61 previously freed Gitmo detainees have RETURNED to commit terrorist actions should make you do a lot more than pray. And those were the ones considered LESS likely to commit terrorist acts! When as many as HALF of the 245 detainees, that are still there because they're considered MORE dangerous, are freed, you had better stop defending their release with prayers and start admitting it is a mistake. And working to REVERSE this braindead decision to endanger innocent people.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090113/t...
January 23, 2009
11:58 a.m.
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ou8one2 writes:
luvwknd writes:
Kill'em All!
That is not a very nice thing to say about democraps and liberals.
January 23, 2009
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davies writes:
Well OK Heidi, but I don't think Muslim terrorists are allowed to gaze upon an infidel woman's naked toes, unless they first have been blown apart by a jihadi IED. Perhaps one planted on your ski slopes for the glory of Allah.
January 23, 2009
12:05 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
davies, I'll bet Allah would approve if one of those terrorists were placing a shoe bomb on my bare foot.
I have faith that Ullr will take care of any terrorists on the slopes.
January 23, 2009
12:25 p.m.
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davies writes:
rickg19611: I doubt if the Obama administration is going to simply free more than half of the detainees at Gitmo. Some, yes; more than half, doubtful. Just as I am confident that most of them are there for good reason in the first place, I am hopeful that those now in charge will be at least somewhat cognizant of the consequences of freeing them. Try not to panic.
January 23, 2009
12:29 p.m.
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TPC303 writes:
WASHINGTON – A Saudi militant who was released from Guantanamo Bay after six years of confinement is now a top figure in the Yemeni branch of al-Qaida, a U.S. counterterrorism official confirmed Friday.
Said Ali al-Shihri was released in 2007 to the Saudi government for rehabilitation. He re-emerged this week, identified by a militant-leaning Web site as a top deputy in "al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula," a Yemeni offshoot of the terror group headed by Osama bin Laden.
The Yemeni branch has been implicated in several attacks on the U.S. Embassy in Yemen's capital Sana.
Al-Shihri is one of a small number of deputies in the group, the U.S. counter-terror official said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss sensitive intelligence.
The militant Web site, which referred to al-Shihri under his terror nom de guerre, "Abu Sayyaf al-Shihri," also revealed his Guantanamo prisoner number, 372.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/a...
January 23, 2009
12:36 p.m.
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figboo2 writes:
I have no problem with them being housed here since that would mean they would be treated like the scum that they are. solitary confinment (since the general population would kill them) which means 1 hour a day outside and 23 hours lock down. no more resort style living they've been accustom to. President Lincoln ordered military tribunrals for the confederate prisnors of war and they were uniformed americans. why is that not good enough for ununiformed terrorist caught on the battlefield. technically they really aren't covered by the geneva convention since they don't operate by it. there needs to be consequences for that, not rewarded. As far as how long we keep them without charging them, they are enemy combatants and can be kept without charges till the end of the conflict. they deserve absolutely nothing more.
January 23, 2009
12:39 p.m.
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Slimjim_800 writes:
It's not a new concept to eventually free criminals. We do it everyday and lot of them go on to commit crimes. I'll take my chances with the US justice system if the alternative is China's justice system.
January 23, 2009
12:42 p.m.
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Triumph writes:
Obama is trying to $uck up and appease the terrorists loving countries by closing Gitmo. He can make sure they are treated humanely there if that's his phony concern. Why bring them stateside and to Colorado when that is a perfect facility to detain them. Now he thinks he's the president of the world and the America is the redheaded step child. What a dummy and world pawn he really is.
January 23, 2009
12:42 p.m.
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davies writes:
Heidi, it's good to know you have faith, but who the heck is Ullr? God of the Venomous Asps? Uma Thurman?
January 23, 2009
12:48 p.m.
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redwhiteandBLUE writes:
Guantanamo prisoners may go to SuperMax?
Then whats the point of letting them out ? From one prison ...to another? Keep them where they're at!!
January 23, 2009
12:49 p.m.
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mmannino writes:
The new mantra of change is refreshing. Change to coddle terrorists. Change to give terrorists the same rights as American citizens. Change to invite terrorists into our state. Change to overload our court system with terrorist demands. Change is wonderful.
January 23, 2009
12:51 p.m.
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reshas1 writes:
http://www.colorado.gov/apps/oit/gove...
Share your opinion with Gov Ritter.. For me, NO TO GITMO detainees...
January 23, 2009
12:55 p.m.
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coloradoborn56 writes:
The only reason supermax became a prison of interest is because of that wonderful governor of ours. He made it very clear that he would welcome them to our state. I'm pretty sure he believes bringing the terrorists to Colorado might stimulate tourist travel to our state, which would pump more money into our economy, so that he could finish the digging of geotherms at the governor's mansion. He is a piece of work......
January 23, 2009
12:59 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
davies, davies, is there no hope for you?
January 23, 2009
1:03 p.m.
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figboo2 writes:
I need to correct myself,
Rather, the defendants in military court were mainly civilians suspected of aiding the rebels. Gen. Halleck explained the rationale: In Missouri, he said, those burning bridges or buildings weren't "armed and open enemies" but "pretended quiet citizens living on their farms." These civilian rebels couldn't be treated as prisoners of war, but neither could they be entrusted to the local courts, which Halleck deemed "very generally unreliable"—not least because so many locals were likely to sympathize with the South. (International war crimes tribunals, like those used to try the Nazis at Nuremberg after World War II, weren't yet common practice.) So starting in September 1861, Missourians were prosecuted under military tribunals that Union generals established. Lincoln did nothing to deter his generals from doing as they saw fit to subdue Missouri.
sound familiar?
January 23, 2009
1:09 p.m.
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nbw9597 writes:
TPC303 - thank you for your 12:29pm post.
Interesting that so many people posting in this string don't realize or are ignoring the fact that many of the detainees already released (pre-Obama) have returned to al-Qaeda and are doing the same things they were before being imprisoned at Gitmo.
January 23, 2009
1:10 p.m.
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Fireball writes:
Dilligaf, you are a moron and your English helps prove it. You say people had the wool pulled over their eyes for 8 years. I would say the overwhelming Obama victory on Nov. 4th proves that people's eyes were wide open. If you haven't noticed, Bush is gone, get over it, move on to the rest of your other socialist agenda. Quit wasting cyberspace continuing to beat up Bush.
January 23, 2009
1:12 p.m.
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Michael writes:
Food for thought:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/a...
January 23, 2009
1:20 p.m.
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Willy writes:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/2...
"A Saudi national released from U.S. detention at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in September 2007 is believed to be a key leader in al Qaeda's operations in Yemen, according to a U.S. counterterrorism official. The Defense Department recently estimated that more than 60 terrorists released from Guantanamo may have returned to the battlefield"
January 23, 2009
1:21 p.m.
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TPC303 writes:
nbw9597 ,
I thought it was important for some of these readers to see the results of what they are asking for.
January 23, 2009
1:25 p.m.
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mebcaux writes:
I would put the hajiis in restraints on an old, C-130 loaded with just 1000 pounds of fuel and a pilot equipped with a chute, and have him set it on auto-pilot with a 90 degree heading and cruise altitude of 20,000 and jump. They could then experience what those on the 9/11 jets experienced. "Shucks, Hajii, sometimes life can be a real bummer, huh? But, I guess you'll understand, since you and your buddies think it's great fun to cut off the heads of Jewish journalists and kids on TV and broadcast their lonely, hideous deaths on the internet?"
Of course, the new Administration, influenced or controlled by traitorous Anti-Christian Lawyers' Union worms, will probably buy the poor, oppressed hajiis first-class seats home on Gulf Air and pay them $5 million per head. They were responsible for Waco and sending storm troopers into Elian Gonzales' grandparents home so he could be forcibly returned to the workers' paradise of Cuba. They issued FISA guidance so stringent FBI field agents were prevented by SES weanies from going after the 9/11 hijackers. They cashiered New York FBI Agent John O'Neill in retaliation for pressing the Saudis and Yemenis too hard for access to imprisoned al-Qaeda operatives who had information that might have prevented the 9/11 attacks.
Now that they are back in power, their delicacy in the face of evil will increase the likelihood of more attacks on Americans on American soil. As liberal Democrats always do, their apparent weakness will embolden our enemies, and will thereby force us into wider wars that would be prevented by showing and using cold steel from the beginning. Obama is already playing into the hands of our enemies by snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in strategically vital Iraq, in order to make the catastrophic blunder of widening the war in strategically insignificant Afghanistan and Pakistan, where our brave kids are forced to fight with one hand tied behind their back among a hostile population, in terrain that completely negates the benefits of their superior weaponry and technology. Afghanistan is a hellishly arid and mountainous desert analog to Vietnam. It brought the mighty Soviet Army to its knees. It may ours. We MUST continue to focus our energies on Iraq, where we have already won but could easily lose if we take our eye off the real prize: strategic dominance of the Persian Gulf.
Once Obama screws it all up, as he inevitably will, perhaps another Reagan will come along to set things straight, at least for a little while. Sadly, it will only come after the American people are reminded by another 9/11, on a much larger scale, that the economy is NOT the top priority, after all, and that the only reason they feel comfortable with a leftist weanie like Obama is that, for all his many faults, Bush did one thing very well: he prevented another 9/11.
January 23, 2009
1:33 p.m.
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TPC303 writes:
mebcaux,
We are on the same wave length. When will people learn?
January 23, 2009
1:38 p.m.
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davies writes:
George W Bush released all the Muslim terrorists from Gitmo well before he left office, so they would cause trouble for Obama and get Sarah Palin elected in 2012. In exchange, Palin will deed over the mineral rights for the entire State of Alaska to George W Bush! The only prisoners at Gitmo now are ACORN voter registration workers. These people have been tortured on George W Bush's orders, by forcing them to watch Dik Cheney hunting videos! So now as a result they are terrorist lunatics!!!
January 23, 2009
1:41 p.m.
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TPC303 writes:
davies = Retard.
January 23, 2009
1:52 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
davies writes:
"I doubt if the Obama administration is going to simply free more than half of the detainees at Gitmo. "
You should try to convince the Obama administration that they are not going to do what they have said they will do.
There are 245 detainees in Gitmo.
"The thorniest problem for Obama is dealing with about 100 detainees. They're considered dangerous Islamists and include accused Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four alleged al Qaeda accomplices.
The remaining detainees are likely to be released according to Obama administration sources. Jeh Johnson, Obama's lead advisor on the fate of Guantanamo detainees, has recommended that 100 be brought to the United States and turned over to civilian courts. The fate of the other 145 detainees has not been finalized, but sources in the Obama administration have reported that any detainees not being prosecuted will be released. Many are likely to be released into the United States, as their own countries refuse to accept them. "
Do the math Davies. 145 out of 245 are being released.
January 23, 2009
1:54 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
TPC303 = no sense of humor
January 23, 2009
2:15 p.m.
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TPC303 writes:
Heidi,
What about this subject do you find humor in? Is it the American lives that are at risk?
January 23, 2009
2:15 p.m.
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the_ripper writes:
dilligaf writes:
"Where IS all you dummies..."(emphasis added)
Who's the dummy?
January 23, 2009
2:21 p.m.
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davies writes:
rickg19611: Generally if you are quoting someone, the source of the quote is clear, or you make it known. But let's say your information is right. 145 or so are released, many into the United States. Do you think that is the end of the problem for Obama then? You think no one in his administration is cognizant of the fact that any terrorist he releases, who then commits another act of terror or other heinous crime here, is going to be a tremendous political liability for the Democratic Party?
As far as I can tell, keeping these guys in Gitmo was the easiest and safest thing to do, and Obama's campaign promises may prove to be very difficult to uphold. So I'll stick with my own guess: only a token few will actually be released, most if not all to other countries, so that the swooning lefties will be appeased. As for the others, putting them on trial will be an enormous headache as well. The loony left will want them tried like U.S. citizens, which means if we don't have evidence that they were read their rights back in Afghanistan, they should be released. Meanwhile Obama knows that's not going to play too well to the other 90% of the country. These trials will be media circuses. The charges will be made known, and if somebody is freed on a legal technicality, you can bet it will be news. So it won't be easy for Obama's administration, and even the lefties (if they pay attention) will realize it's not as simple as it seems.
January 23, 2009
2:27 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
TPC, this situation is not humorous at all. Most of davies' comments were expressing concern. A little humor thrown in on this forum does not hurt.
I do not agree with what Obama wants to do. Keeping innocent Americans safe is more important than the so called "rights" of suspected terrorists. If he wants to release them, release them in the middle of the ocean.
January 23, 2009
2:34 p.m.
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Marshdale writes:
Believe me, they will never escape Colrado's SUPERMAX. The worst of the worst are held there. It is probably one of top five state of the art prisons in the country. I'm not worried.
January 23, 2009
2:36 p.m.
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davies writes:
TPC303: Why, I believe Heidi may have found my little 'Bush Derangement Syndrome' satire to be amusing. Perhaps she would also be amused if I speculated that your name stands for: Toilet Paper Comments, from area code 303.
So, much as we all appreciate your telling us what grave danger we are facing, may I also suggest that you may personally be in danger of exploding, due to your overly-constricted sphincter.
January 23, 2009
2:41 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
davies, you said it so much more eloquently than I did!
January 23, 2009
2:56 p.m.
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Vector049 writes:
Send them to the worse he$$ on Earth...texas.
January 23, 2009
2:59 p.m.
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mebcaux writes:
Sadly, TPC303, the People evidently have a very short memory, and tenuous grasp of history, else they would not have elected Jimmy Carter 2.0, disguised as a cross between Curious George and Alfred E. Newman.
I hope and pray you and I are wrong, but I fear the People will recall the clear and present danger they face only when another 9/11 occurs.
Until then, they will continue to allow the leftist media to delude them into believing their worst problem is the undeniably awful economy.
You might mention that .303 was once the favored caliber for British small arms, e.g., Enfield, but then you'd probably be unfairly accused of intimidation.
Good on ya, Mate!
January 23, 2009
2:59 p.m.
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law1 writes:
Zoomy, your first mistake was admitting to reading tom clancy.
January 23, 2009
3:14 p.m.
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RoyalPayne writes:
Putting these prisoners on US soil is one of the most insane ideas in years. Here's an idea if we are forced to bring them into the USA, reopen Alcatraz, change the law to allow it to become a working prison again. Our government is good at changing laws if it suits their agenda. The prison is still somewhat functional, we have a year to bring it back to it's former glory. Plus, these are desert people, not good swimmers. Here's the best part of this deal, it's in California and Pelosi can stop by for visits to make sure the prisoners are not uncomfortable in any way, shape or form. The bleeding heart liberals will love this idea !
January 23, 2009
3:16 p.m.
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mebcaux writes:
Very good, Vector049! Still, you'd surely have to admit that the Hill Country or Big Bend of Texas look like heaven compared to Iraq or Sudan?
January 23, 2009
3:18 p.m.
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zerotolerance writes:
Start with straight shots and then pop bottles. Obama doing this is like going from taking a shot of hennessey and being drunk and then drinking 100 bottles of Korbel and expecting things to get better... why does he have to send them to CO? I was good with them in Cuba. Has anyone seen Harold and Kumar Escape from G-Bay? That movie shows how our government was under Bush. Hopefully O'Drama can pull it off in better style.. "George Bush does not care about black people".... Thanks Kanye~
January 23, 2009
3:20 p.m.
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vendari01 writes:
Zoomy, that was a place along the Amazon. The bad guys had built themselves a refuge there, after attacking the Olympics with a bio agent. The good guys blew up their refuge, and left the baddies for the jungle to take care of. Yes, folks, I read it, too.
January 23, 2009
3:22 p.m.
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mebcaux writes:
Hey, RoyalPayne, I think yours is the best idea of all. Whereas the weather at GITMO is just like home (actually, quite a bit better) for the hajiis, the chill of Alcatraz would render them even more suicidal, especially if they are guarded by leading members of San Francisco's most, er, prominent cycling club, "Dykes on Bikes", wearing strap-ons for billy clubs. The hajiis might save us the problem of their perpetual care and feeding and go for a very short swim out of sheer desperation. Sure would make for great reality TV.
January 23, 2009
3:26 p.m.
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leavemealone writes:
At least 18 former Guantanamo detainees have "returned to the fight" and another 43 are suspected of resuming terrorist activities, Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said on Jan. 13.
Obama is a clown & already has the big ears to boot!
January 23, 2009
3:39 p.m.
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davies writes:
mebcaux:
I saw your little "Curious George" monkey reference to President Obama. I get it: Black man? Monkey? Oh tee hee, giggle giggle! I guess you just couldn't resist, could you?
That says a lot about the value of your opinions.
January 23, 2009
3:59 p.m.
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witchsjourney writes:
Yes, this is exactly what I want. I want these people here on American soil, in my grandchildrens back yard, with three hots and a cot and free medical care. Lets not forget their "freedom of religion". Never mind that there are thousands upon thousands of Americans who can't afford groceries, utilities or GAS. Close GITMO, but don't bring them to the U.S.
January 23, 2009
4:23 p.m.
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mebcaux writes:
Never occurred to me that my likening Obama to Jimmy Carter disguised as a cross between Curious George and Alfred E. Newman would be regarded as racist. I regret that you perceived it as such, though I suspect your actual purpose is to use the bludgeon of an accusation of racism as a substitute for challenging my arguments with facts or logic.
January 24, 2009
5:24 p.m.
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leavemealone writes:
mebcaux,
I would love to pilot the C-130 in your 1:25pm posting!
or
@ the very least push the button in my 8:46am posting!