Broncos' Bates makes off to coach at USC

Cutler tutor saw role diminishing under McDaniels

By Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published January 19, 2009 at 5:11 p.m.

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Photo by Doug Pensinger / Getty Images/2008

Jeremy Bates will become the assistant head coach/offense and quarterbacks coach for USC coach Pete Carroll.

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January 19, 2009

5:52 p.m.

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Broncody writes:

Don't like to see him go but he has to do whats best for him, good luck.
January 19, 2009

5:55 p.m.

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buffoklag writes:

Maybe he can take Jay Cutler with him - maybe college receivers will appreciate their quarterback ragging on them more than pro players and their fans. Seriously, I wanted to love Jay Cutler. Still do. But as a fan growing up in NY rooting for the likes of Y.A. Tittle, Fran Tarkenton, and Joe Namath, then moving here in the seventies and rooting for the Broncos since the days of Craig Morton, I've never seen one of "my" quarterbacks chew out a wide receiver. I've never seen a quarterback mope more than Jay Cutler. He needs to hear a different voice - hello Josh McDaniels - regarding his demeanor. Jay has #1 ability with the worst demeanor I've ever seen. He'll never get past the mediocre records he's posted at Vandy and here unless someone straightens out his demeanor, so vaya con dios Jeremy Bates. It's not all exes and ohs. Lastly - am I the only guy in the state who noticed the Broncos didn't really air out one bomb the whole season? There were some nice 20-yarders that turned into 80-yards (thank you Mr. Royal) but they didn't call one all-out-throw-it-as-far-as-you-can bomb the entire season. So what if your arm is stronger than John Elway's if your coach never calls on you to show it? So thanks for the yards between the twenties, some of them were pretty indeed, but I'm not saddened by Bates' departure.
January 19, 2009

5:55 p.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

Agreed Broncody. But, McCoy will do a good job with Cutler, I feel. Jay needs to keep an open mind and realize that he can be the best if he just listens.
January 19, 2009

6:06 p.m.

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danglybanging writes:

Buff stop drinking and posting it is embarissing.
January 19, 2009

6:10 p.m.

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cmcray1 writes:

buffoklag--u obviously havent paid attention. I have seen Cutler, Plummer, and Elway all chew out teammates, especially
WR's! Denver has some great recievers, but they get paid to catch the ball. Dropping balls is about FOCUS, nothing else. I would be disappointed in Cutler if he DIDN'T chew some @ss.
January 19, 2009

6:10 p.m.

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rustysc writes:

the best...probably not. Great... no doubt. Mcd and McCoy will both be exceptional tutoring for Cut. I for 1 am tired of the smashing that is continually directed at Cut. its called passion, he wants to score 7 with every possession. We have not had these shoes filled for ten years, get off him, Cut. will get it done.
January 19, 2009

6:11 p.m.

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Spider writes:

USC isn't so bad. They could be 4 or 5 NFL teams.
January 19, 2009

6:11 p.m.

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buffoklag writes:

OK, Cutler's demeanor isn't all Bates' fault - coach Shanahan had plenty to do with him getting away with it too. But I completely agree with the decision to clean house, though I can't say I'm really sure why the wide receivers coach had to go. I don't know how Eddie Royal could have been coached any better. Around the middle of the season, Daniel Graham finally started catching balls and touchdowns. Marshall ran a lot of east-west, but I wouldn't think that's a coaching decision. Stokely produced when healthy. While obviously most picks have to go defense, I'd love to see them take a "flyer" on a track-star type wide receiver to stretch the defense in a late round. I think Cutler has some throws in him we haven't seen yet - yes those would be bombs. Sorry, I'm ancient. I grew up on Tittle>Homer Jones and Namath>Maynard DEEP!!!
January 19, 2009

6:13 p.m.

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rustysc writes:

Oh, and btw, good luck J. Bates. Very wise decision to join USC...Go DUCKS!
January 19, 2009

6:20 p.m.

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rustysc writes:

I'm sorry too... could have sworn you to be a dolt fan or some kind of basher. hopefully we can address the running game witch will open up the field for Cuttler. If you remember right before all the tragedies started Cut was able to air it out. Really loved it when he exposed the dolts secondary in week 2.
January 19, 2009

6:26 p.m.

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cdmdenver writes:

PRO TO COLLEGE-SPEAKS VOLUMES...

Bates took the easy road, no expectations, no criticism,
glad to see Denver Broncos getting rid of underperforming
baggage!
January 19, 2009

6:33 p.m.

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rustysc writes:

Glad to see the change, agree it was the easy rd. not sold on "baggage". his playcalling was a little weak but with the depleated weapons what could we expect?
January 19, 2009

6:43 p.m.

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hoppman writes:

Not a big loss IMO, hopefully McD won't call the bubble screen 5 times after it failed everytime.
January 19, 2009

6:45 p.m.

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Royal19 writes:

Do you think Bates will call that WR screen 12 times a game for the Trojans?
January 19, 2009

6:48 p.m.

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Cutler6 writes:

Stop using the Cutler never won anything in college theory and compare him to Elway as far as winning goes. BTW, Elway's Stanford teams all stunk when he was in college. And BTW Cutlers high school team won the state championship. Cutler is 24 years old good grief Elway didn't win his Super Bowls until he was in his mid 30's so Cutler still has about 10 more years before you can legitimately compare him with Elway. This is directed at you Buff.
January 19, 2009

6:48 p.m.

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JayRome writes:

I've been arguing with my friends for 2 years that Cutler has a bad attitude and will never win the big one. His pissy attitude is infectious and brings the team down. Heck, he won't even win a playoff game until we get a real every-down back in here. Still think that. People don't change. I believe that next season the Bronx will finish even worse than this year and every fan out their with their orange colored glasses will see Cutler for who he is--big talent with a rotten attitude. He'll be out of Dove Valley in 2 years. Also, what I didn't understand was why Cutler thought he had a say, any say, in determining the next bunch of coaching hires. He hasn't done a thing in this league except run his mouth, say he's better than this QB and that QB and pout around on the sidelines when things weren't going his way. Jay Cutler at Vanderbilt from 2002-2005---11 wins, 35 losses. Yeah yeah I've heard the analogies "...but he was playing with a bunch of accountants and lawyers." How'd those accountants and lawyers at Vandy do this year? They won a bowl game. Winners have the ability to will the players around them to play at higher levels, like Elway willing his teams of the 1980s to 3 Superbowls (blowouts, yes, but still). Losers bring their teams down and almost guarantee more losing. Cutler had real pretty numbers as a 4 year starter at Vandy but did nothing but lose. He's a loser and you all will think I am a genius when Denver trades him in a couple years for draft picks.
January 19, 2009

6:50 p.m.

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bronco_fan_no_matter_how_painful writes:

buffoklag...nope, you are not the only one to notice...actually Dynamicdave and I both posted yesterday in the article about McCoy that we were sick of seeing the bubble WR screens that could be defensed by any 11 guys you pick up off the street...

I don't agree with the Bates bashing though...but either he didn't see eye to eye with McDaniels like Turner and Dennison do, or he was resentful that he won't get to call the plays next year...that doesn't mean that I supported all his play calling, but the truth is a lot of what they ran is the short passing game was a result of having a less than stellar running game last season...

Time will tell, but a healthy running game will go a long way in the early success or struggles for McDaniels

good luck Jeremy Bates...can't believe USC is willing to pay him $1mill per season but hey if they offer, take it...

I really do like the staff that McDaniels is starting to put together, he really is doing a nice job of surrounding himself with coaching experience and talent...now let's hope that happens with the defensive personnel

BTW, Dynamic - did you see that we both were off the mark on Capers...took the defensive coordinator job with the Packers...not with the Giants (can't figure that out for the life of me)
January 19, 2009

6:51 p.m.

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royalmarshalls writes:

No, no, Bates will call the bubble screen on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down on the first drive. Then they will call a fake punt and go for the bubble screen one last time. When all four attempts fail, they will continue too try it. LOL!

I will as though God has answered my prayers if J Mac does not call that stupid play once the entire season. What a lame, lame call.
January 19, 2009

6:52 p.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

buffoklag, it was said earlier, other QB's chewed out WR's like "no end of tomorrow". Elway has done it on numerous occasions. Sometimes it's needed. It's called leadership. Cutler needs to mature, some, yes, but the yelling at his WR isn't a bad thing. Besides, I'm sure he wouldn't have whispered it to him during the game, with all the crowd noise. I've yelled at my best friend. Doesn't mean that I don't love him or that I think he's an idiot. Sometimes, tough love is necessary. For the money that they're getting paid, I think they can handle it, don't you?

Hoppman, exactly. God, that was frustrating to watch. Need a longer playbook, Bates?
January 19, 2009

6:53 p.m.

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Littleboyblue writes:

The spoiled brat stuff has to stop with Jay Cutler. Maybe he just needs an image consultant...at least a new haircut?
January 19, 2009

6:55 p.m.

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JayRome writes:

Cutler6 check your facts. Stanford had a 20-23 record under Elway's tenure. Vandy had an 11-35 record under Cutler. High school football??? Who cares? I was a superstar in high school, didn't really transfer over.
January 19, 2009

6:55 p.m.

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bronco_fan_no_matter_how_painful writes:

jayrome and all other Cutler bashers...
the same thing was said about Elway, he was a cry baby, he couldn't win the big one...for cripe sakes, he's only in his third year...relax, big John didn't win until his 15th year and didn't get to the Super Bowl until his 4th season...
you aren't in the locker room with him and his teammates...you don't know his demeanor, you base it on what you see on TV...

I expect this kind of stuff from guys like chargertom (who btw has disappeared since the Chargers lost) but not from Bronco fans
January 19, 2009

6:56 p.m.

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royalmarshalls writes:

JayRome,

Like I told the last possible future Presidential Candidate of the USA, the Denver Post is that way --------------->

Thanks, Come Again.
January 19, 2009

6:58 p.m.

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Cutler6 writes:

JayRome check your facts, it has been well documented that Cutler loved Bates, well I guess if he had any say then Bates would still be around? Also, way to take the high road and predict that Cutler isn't going to do anything the last two years, (basically his 2nd and 3rd full years) most QB's don't. Oh and way to be a Nostradomis, the Broncos will lose more next year than they won this year. HMMMM.

basically last rated defense in the whole NFL.
One of the toughest schedules out there next year
and a new coaching staff.

Your a genius
January 19, 2009

6:59 p.m.

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Cutler6 writes:

JayRome oh 20-23 yea that is something special that isn't even averaging 7 wins a year for 3 years. JayRome you need to come with something stronger than that.
January 19, 2009

7:05 p.m.

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JayRome writes:

Cutler6, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, you're boring me. I predicted the same thing with Griese when Broncos fans were singing hallelujahs about him, and I predicted when Snake was benched, we would blow it in the playoffs. I screamed to Irv and Joe for the past 4 years that Shanny needed to be fired. I never argued that Cutler loved Bates, I wondered why Cutler even had a say in the hiring process. I am Nostradomis and my friends are tired of me being correct all the time. Check me in a couple years when I'm right again. Heck, I'll give you my address so you can come over and eat a big crow sandwich in front of me.
January 19, 2009

7:06 p.m.

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kerrdawg writes:

I'm sick of all the wanna-be fans whining about Cutler for getting on his recievers when they drop balls. I bet the same morons would be complaining if he didn't too. They'd say "Jay shows no emotion, blah, blah, blah". What a bunch of crap. Let's bash this 25 year old kid for showing some emotion and getting upset when professional wide recievers who make millions of dollars a year to catch the ball, drop one's that him them right in the hands. There is no excuse for dropped balls, that is a lack of concentration period. Part of a leader's job is to hold his teamates accountable. At 25 this kid has the pressure of millions of fans expecting perfection, fans that cry and whine like little babies everytime he makes a mistake. If you want to see a crybaby and a whiner all you some of you have to do is look in the mirror.
January 19, 2009

7:10 p.m.

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DrChris writes:

though bates was not my favorite offensive coordinator I do wish him good luck. I didn't like how Cutler was in shotgun so much during the season but Bates did farely well here. I just hope we run the ball a little more now that McCoys here
January 19, 2009

7:15 p.m.

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Cutler6 writes:

Ok JayRome, since you know everything whose going to win the SuperBowl next year Mr. smart guy. Yea, way to list all your predictions after they already happened. Unfortunately you don't sound like your correct all the time, you sound like a classic "plagerist" give us something that hasn't happened and again try not going to much out on a limb and predict the Broncos to have a worse record next year than this, again bold prediction. I predicted that Bush would lose the Presidency this year, oh that's right he did.
January 19, 2009

7:16 p.m.

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royalmarshalls writes:

Kerrdawg,

BINGO! Thank you for that wonderful truthful peice of information. Its about time someone speaks the truth.

**For the record, there was no sarcasm intended in that sentence**

LOL!
January 19, 2009

7:20 p.m.

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desertwind writes:

better SC than the Faiders... I can still cheer for his work there
January 19, 2009

7:36 p.m.

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MarcoPolo writes:

I can't help but think this was more of a political move than anything else. Had Jay kept his mouth shut and not insisted on Bates (or anyone) staying, he might have gotten his wish. As it stands, a new coach has to let everyone know who makes the personnel decisions - and it's not the players. I just hope Jay can keep his trap shut this time and just learn to work with "The new guy".

Or should I say, "The real McCoy"?
January 19, 2009

7:56 p.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

JayRome, BEEP, wrong, but thank you for playing. And WE'RE boring YOU? Talking about calling the kettle black. Your insight is pure speculation, grasping and blind hatred for Cutler. Excuse if we chose not to take your rant of Jay, seriously. Going to the Pro Bowl in his 3rd year. Technically only played less then 2 1/2 years. But he'll be kicked out of Dove Valley, in 2 years? Yeah, right, and monkeys will fly out of my a$$. Oh, by the way, who are you, anyways?????

bronco_fan_no_matter_how_painful , yeah, I noticed chargertom is gone, also. Maybe the call I made to the Federal agents paid off? We can only hope. The guy was a major irritant.

MarcoPolo, I like that, "The Real McCoy. Clever.

Kerrdawg, same thing I said, earlier. Some people and their eye for talent (or lack of), amazes me. Cutler is a stud at QB and will only get better. He's in it for the long haul.
January 19, 2009

8:09 p.m.

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liesandpropaganda08 writes:

Maybe Bates can teach Pete Carroll how to show some class at a scared kids news conference.

Give em' hell JB
January 19, 2009

8:12 p.m.

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bagwan writes:

You can't help but wonder what a guy like JayRome does for a living. With his ability to predict the future and analyse football talent, I am certain he is drawing a major check from one of the 32 NFL teams. I would like to address one of his questions: why does Cutler have a say. In the words of Pat Bowlen , he (Jay Cutler) is the man around here. This year Pro Bowl selections are done by an equal 1/3rd weighting of votes from fans, coaches and players. This seemingly fair and diverse group somehow missed what JayRome knows to be fact.
January 19, 2009

8:13 p.m.

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BroncoBrad writes:

As much as I complained about Bates' play calling at times this season, I am sort of disappointed to see him go. I think he needed to leave to gain a little more experience. I believe he will be a very good offensive coordinator in the NFL in a few years with some experience and someone tutoring him a little.

Thanks for your hard work this past year Jeremy. I wish you well in the college ranks. We'll see you soon back in the NFL.
January 19, 2009

8:15 p.m.

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buffoklag writes:

Let me put it this way - if you had, say 20 touchdown passes and 4 interceptions, then MAYBE it's ok to rag on your receivers - when you throw two high balls in the first quarter at SD. In that case, maybe you even get a say in your offensive coordinator. However, Jay Cutler said before the season his #1 priority was cutting down his interceptions. That didn't happen. There's 's no doubt the RB situation contributed. But until you have your own act indisputably together, lay off your co-workers because without Eddie Royal being a miracle man you wouldn't even have the chance to win in SD for the division crown. I just watched an ESPN NFL's greatest games, it was the NFC championship game between the Skins and the 49ers in the 80s. Mark Mosely missed his first four field goals, which looked like was going to cost them the Skins the game. Did anyone rag on him? No. Everyone told him to keep his head up and he'd get one more chance. He did. Skins win. Yelling at receivers is not leadership - unless you're perfect yourself. I should add before everyone things I'm anti-Cutler that I enjoyed many moments during the season and I'm convinced he can make more throws than anyone in the league - and we haven't even unleashed him on the long ones yet. I just want to like my quarterback's personality, am I the only one???
January 19, 2009

8:21 p.m.

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bronco_fan_no_matter_how_painful writes:

you know it seems that nearly every day there is some new "flash in the pan" poster who blabs on and on about how "Shanahan shouldn't be gone" or "Shanahan was terrible" or "Cutler's horrible" or the guy yesterday who couldn't even get his stats and facts straight about passing statistics (focused on how "awful" McCoy would be)...nearly every day, but it is never the same guy two days in a row; interestingly none of these "flash in the pan" guys ever have an alternate solution or proposal; they just like to whine...

I enjoy reading the other guys, guys who are those that have constructive things to say and have good insight (guys like Dynamic, ORBronco, royalmarshalls, jubei, cutler6, and many others that I am sorry I am leaving out)...

the point, enjoy your 15 min JayRome...we don't expect to see you tomorrow...(are you really Jim Rome? I hope not, I hate that guy)
January 19, 2009

8:23 p.m.

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royalmarshalls writes:

buffoklag,

There are TIMES when Cutlers attitude disappoint me, however there have been MILLIONS(yes exaggerated) of times where his attitude has impressed me. I have seen him get so pumped that he gets into this mode where its almost as if he doesnt notice any of the distractions around him and he just continues too make gorgeous throws and drives OUR team down the field. He has plenty of maturing too do, yes, but he is def a great competitor. Add a running game too that same drive he has, the Broncos would have scored on at least half of those red zone possessions where he threw an INT.
January 19, 2009

8:23 p.m.

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bronco_fan_no_matter_how_painful writes:

liesandpropaganda and BroncoBrad are part of that group that I left out...the guys I really like reading, that is (sorry guys)
January 19, 2009

8:26 p.m.

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royalmarshalls writes:

bronco_fan_no_matter_how_painful,

I agree with you and the same goes for you, I enjoy reading your post. Anyone with no ALTERNATIVE too what they are complaining about is complaining out of capability. Just cause you CAN complain, doesnt mean that you should.
January 19, 2009

8:30 p.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

buffoklag, no you're not the only one. Apparently you have JayRome in your corner. Look, I'm not saying some of what you're saying is correct because some of it is, but you miss the fact that with those interceptions came many, and I mean, "many" more passes thrown, this year, then the prior year. With more passes comes the chance of more interceptions. Also, take into consideration that he was forced, due to RB injuries (as you mentioned), to throw out of an empty backfield. When you're forced to do that, you become more predictable and interceptions can become more frequent. So, I can't hold stock in that he made all these errors and it's all his fault. As a QB, it's Cutlers job to rag on his WR's and RB's when they aren't performing well. When Cutler doesn't do well, he has to answer to the coaches. The WR's should feel lucky. They got off easy.
January 19, 2009

8:32 p.m.

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Robfromaurora writes:

Sheesh......"Cutler stinks"...."Cutler is Great"...back and forth. Lets just support our team. Be the best 12th man we can be next year. I go to all games, and to be honest, the 12th man was kinda stinky the past few years too. "We all need to get better, players and fans alike"

Its time for Rockies Baseball now.!!!
January 19, 2009

8:53 p.m.

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buffoklag writes:

"As a QB, it's Cutlers job to rag on his WR's and RB's when they aren't performing well." Huh? Excuse me, but this is an opinion, not a fact. I've watched five zillion football games and I never recall a color announcer - many of them former QBs - saying "hey, Peyton oughta be ragging on Marvin because he dropped that slant-in." Do you actually think dropping a pass in front of 75,000 people in person and hundreds of millions on TV isn't embarassing enough? Do you actually think a receiver is more likely to hang onto the next one if he's ragged on? You don't think an NFL receiver can self-regulate? I didn't see Ben R. rag on that sub receiver who dropped the sure TD yesterday, and he seemed to figure out how to make up for it easily enough. . .
January 19, 2009

8:55 p.m.

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buffoklag writes:

That's all I have on ragging and yelling. I know I'm not gonna convince any pro-raggers&yellers. Anyway - anyone have any insight on why the WR coach had to go? I'm clueless on that one.
January 19, 2009

9:04 p.m.

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DrChris writes:

Does anybody think Rod Smith might consider being the recievers coach?
January 19, 2009

9:09 p.m.

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Cutler6 writes:

buffoklag, I don't think anywhere it said that the WR "had" to go. Be careful making that broad assumtion. Did you ever think that maybe JMac asked him to stay, maybe in another capacity, maybe not and the WR coach decided he wanted to go somewhere else. That's what always cracks me up is the broad speculation. And I would say again that the talent of the receivers played as much a part in their sucess as the coach did except for some "untimely" drops.
January 19, 2009

9:09 p.m.

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bronco_fan_no_matter_how_painful writes:

buffoklag...good question, too many Marshall fumbles? j/k maybe CLD24 is right, Rod Smith?

honestly my guess would be that McDaniels doesn't come in here with any of the Broncos' history and wants to surround himself with people that he is familiar with. Maybe the one piece of history he does know is Denver's annual success (for the exception of last year) of the running game and that is why he kept Dennison and Turner...maybe it's Bowlen and we are all just spit-balling...
January 19, 2009

9:10 p.m.

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baylinorcrush writes:

I don't see exactly why most everyone is enamored by Bates. Sure the offense was the best part of our team (the only one), but come on, we weren't that great. We started out great the first three games averaging about 40 points per game, but after that we were lucky to score in the 20 point range for the rest of the season. That's average if you ask me. I'm glad to have this McCoy from Carolina as they heavily relied on the running game there and hopefully that's what he'll bring here with him. The passing game alone does not work, with McDaniel and McCoy we might have a nice balance of running and passing. I'm more excited about that than having Bates around here. Best of luck at USC.
January 19, 2009

9:17 p.m.

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Cutler6 writes:

I do think Rod Smith would be a great option if:

1. He truly wanted to do it of course
2. He went through the due prcoess of a year or two as a "coaching" protege with the WR coach and then steps in.

Because not every football player great or not makes a good/great coach. Although there are a few former broncos I would classify as potentially good coaches.

1. Smith
2. Louis Wright
3. Gary Kubiak (of course)
4. Tom Nalen (offensive line coach)
5. Al Wilson

The one thing all these players had in common was they knew thier individual crafts well and also seemed to be a on the field player coach.
January 19, 2009

9:18 p.m.

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zenmasterdzuy writes:

Bates, you did a good job producing yards, but little points throughout the season. I still believe Cutler needs fundamental development.

I like others, wonder where the big bombs have been. Yards after catch are great, but sometimes it's that perfect floater that is required. You can have a rocket arm, but sometimes it seems better to be able to have your receiver out run a defender and drop the ball to him than just zing it to the receiver while trying to thread it between defenders. Looks great and all, but it can't work when you don't pump fake it enough.

Has anyone else noticed WHY DOESN'T CUTLER PUMP FAKE AT ALL? Why hasn't anyone said hey, "pump fake" it and you'll throw off defenders. Elway and all the other past and present greats have made it part of their arsenal. Just watch any playoff qb contender in the past few years, Warner, Rothelisberger, Manning, McNabb, Brady and etc do it. IT ALWAYS throws defenders off. Watch Elway footage. Elway would put his whole body into not one but two pump fakes to throw off defenders and succeed in getting linemen to jump and lb's to slow down.

Gotta have some brains with that brawn to make more than a few plays and win big.

Hopefully McCoy will be able succeed in teaching Cutler some fundamentals where Bates failed. Hopefully
January 19, 2009

9:27 p.m.

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bronco_fan_no_matter_how_painful writes:

"Just cause you CAN complain, doesnt mean that you should."

perfectly stated royalmarshalls!!!
January 19, 2009

9:27 p.m.

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DrChris writes:

I live in California and I see Raider fans every where I go. Some of you guys are acting just like Raider fans by whining and complaining about every little thing the quarterback does wrong. How about looking at the things Jay does right. He threw for 4,000 yards and made it to the probowl, what more can you ask for! We are better than the Raider fans we are Bronco fans!
January 19, 2009

9:37 p.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

CLD24, Amen.
January 19, 2009

9:44 p.m.

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bronco_fan_no_matter_how_painful writes:

sense a trend fellas? we just want to move forward with a positive attitude! time to rally up and support this new staff and exciting players that we have on the offensive side of the ball (and the few solid ones on the defensive side that still will have a job with the Broncos next year)

great comment CLD24

zenmasterdzuy - great question on the pump fakes...seems that Brady and Cassel used it quite frequent in NE so maybe McDaniels brings that here. I think it was much more frequent with Elway in the Reeves era than it was with Shanny and Elway (not totally sure and have no stats to back it (sorry) but my feeble memory recalls it that way)
January 19, 2009

10:02 p.m.

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zenmasterdzuy writes:

I'm a huge Broncos fan guys! I don't mean to come off as a complainer...It's just Cutler's gotta be the next best broncos QB ever and the more trophies Denver has in the least amount of time, the better! I think all true Denver fans wish him and the team the best! I'm going to be a fan no matter how long, but I don't wish for another decade without any trophies!

bronco_fan_no_matter_how_painful: I did notice the Reeves/Shanahan difference too. I happened to watch snippets of Elway's career as well as Denver vs. GB Super bowl some months before the season started and I thought that was all Cutler needed to perfect. I waited for that big fake, but it never came. Oh well. Best wishes this next season.
January 19, 2009

10:09 p.m.

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Cutler6 writes:

zenmasterdzuy, I will be a bit more bold in my prediction than Jay (a little birdy told me). The broncos, Cutler included will be competing for a Superbowl in the next 2-3 years.
January 19, 2009

10:11 p.m.

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Cutler6 writes:

Sorry, that's Jay (a little birdy told me) Rome.
January 19, 2009

10:38 p.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

Cutler6, yeah, JayRome thinks he's Jim Rome, minus, of course, the TV show and the money. But he has the arrogance and humerous opinions, down pat. Oh, didn't he call himself "Nostridomus?" I recall the Bible said to beware of false prophets? Guess what, JayRome? That would be you.....
January 19, 2009

11:03 p.m.

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Woody writes:

In Eastern Philosophies, there's a well accepted principle that;
'Your strengths' are also your weakness'. Your primary talent is also your Achilles heel.
So it is with young Mr. Cutler. His rocket arm, & fearless use thereof, provide spectacular results, as well as tunnel vision catastrophes. John demonstrated quite similar character traits for some years, as well. It took a good 7-8 yrs. before John ceased recklessly forcing the ball.
Just like early John, Jay faced substantial pressure to carry the team this year. A dependable running game'll alleviate the pressure cooker, allowing time for balanced growth. If/when that happens, he has the gifts to be a HOF'er.
Incoming coaches have the Plan. This team is going to blow up opponents. It just needs some smash mouth D, to take on teams like Pittsburgh.
January 19, 2009

11:06 p.m.

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TDW writes:

Hello everyone of my fellow Bronco's fans! I have read everyone's posts for a long, long time, and I felt I should add my two cents worth on Cutler. I have been a Bronco's fan since before Lou Saban was the coach and he felt a half a loaf was better than no loaf at all! So my two cents worth on Cutler is this, he is the best thing to happen with the Bronco's since Elway. What do you want a quarterback with no passion like Griese, or a quarterback like Jake Plummer where losing didnt seem to matter to him? Get off Cutler, I think this young man will win it all for our team. I want him chewing out a wide reciever that did not do his job or put out a poor effort in running his pattern! I want effort from our recievers like Fitzgerald with the Cardinals. I also want to say I think we have got a great future ahead of us with our new coach! GO BRONCOS!!
January 19, 2009

11:22 p.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

Woody and TDW, welcome to the blog and I couldn't have put it any better, then your comments. Cutler is a work in progress and I feel he's progressing just fine. The complainers keep the blog interesting because they generally don't bring anything to the plate except an unfounded opinion. Many aren't Broncos fans so they get on simply to bash. Some get personal from the safety of a computer. Some offer good, unbiased opinions. Never a dull moment here. We always welcome new insight on the rebuilding of the Broncos. We'll call it, "THE BRONCOS! THE NEW CHAPTER!" (or something like that, ha, ha).
January 19, 2009

11:36 p.m.

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TDW writes:

Thank you Dynamicdave, I look forward to talking with true blue Broncos fans! People that put down the Broncos, are showing their true colors which are not Orange & Blue, possibly a black and silver lover!? Just saying!
January 19, 2009

11:46 p.m.

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buffoklag writes:

Regarding the big bombs, well I'm sure some pump-faking wouldn't hurt at all. . . but I as I noted earlier, I think we lack a burner. Royal is incredibly quick but not fast, Marshall's not slow, but he's not a burner. I don't know enough about what happened to Chad Jackson at New England or here, he caught plenty of long balls at Florida. But if McDaniels liked Jackson at NE, he wouldn't be here now so it probably won't be him. We haven't had much luck with Gators so far unfortunately. Teams used to look for track stars, but not so lately. Being new around here I'm hesitant to say anything nice about Philip Rivers, but hear me out. Who was the biggest QB head case in football last year? Philip Rivers. Who was arguably the best QB competitor this year? Philip Rivers. Someone talked to him. He listened. I was also really impressed at the way he threw the ball away in the playoff game they won - he refused to force anything and didn't care if he looked "weak" throwing the ball away. I agree Jay had to pass too much this season. But he does have to throw a few more away like Rivers did. If I was starting a team, which one would I pick? Well I would actually pick Cutler - with some mentoring and a little, not a lot, of restraint.
January 20, 2009

12:04 a.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

buffoklag, Royal runs a 4.39. It was reported that he was once clocked at 3.9 in college. That, I would say is fast. He is strong as hell, too. He bench pressed 225 pounds, 24 times. That was more then any of the other wide receivers in the combine (including DeSean Jackson). Peyton Hillis, who weighs 240 pounds, only did 27. The kid is everything Denver needs. Well, ok, they need a 4th, quick, WR, to compliment Marshall Royal and Stokley, but Eddie is by all means, fast.
January 20, 2009

12:09 a.m.

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gahoaglund writes:

JayRome posts...
"I am Nostradomis and my friends are tired of me being correct all the time. Check me in a couple years when I'm right again. Heck, I'll give you my address so you can come over and eat a big crow sandwich in front of me."
......PHHHHH Get out of here LOSER, if you hate on everyone and stay consistently negative, you are BOUND to be right sometimes. Nostradamus was spelled thusly by the way.

"I predicted when Snake was benched, we would blow it in the playoffs."
The Broncos haven't BEEN in the payoffs since Plummer was benched dips*%t! Go REcheck your facts, then come eat a crow sandwich at MY house.
January 20, 2009

12:10 a.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

TDW, ha, ha. We get them all. Faiders, Dolts, Chefs (not as much with the Chefs). It's amazing, though, they only come out when it suits their needs. When it goes bad for their team, we hear from them only when they want to complain or make excuses, if we even hear from them at all.
January 20, 2009

12:14 a.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

gahoaglund, that's why we try to tell them to "JUST SAY NO!"
January 20, 2009

12:52 a.m.

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gahoaglund writes:

Yes, PLEASE everyone..... Stay OFF the crack!
January 20, 2009

1:04 a.m.

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gahoaglund writes:

I hate that word "rebuilding" DD.... Let's call it reloading or something! HAHA
January 20, 2009

7:11 a.m.

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TruthHurts writes:

Did the Broncos make the playoffs....did Cutler have great games against New England....The Chargers....teams with good defenses.....Did Cutler throw 30 or more passes every game to amass those record yards....Did the Bronco receivers have large after catch yards to help those stats?

I am a fan like the rest of you but take off the glasses and look at this team objectively. The Defense and Special Teams are some of the worst. The offense is good but was there really a running game this year....and yes I know there were injuries....but because there was no running game the passing records are a bit distorted.

This team was going nowhere fast.....if the new coaching staff fails....we can all meet here next year at this time and talk about who to bring in next. That seemed like a Mike Shanahan ritual every year anyway. But no one on this team has reached sainthood yet...including the outgoing coaching staff.
January 20, 2009

7:18 a.m.

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BroncoRick69 writes:

Change is what the NFL is all about. I personally am still hurting from Mike Shanahan getting fired. I am going to miss seeing him on the sideline, because he always brought a sense to everyone from the players to the fans that he had something up his sleeve, and always had a way to win. That is one thing I am going to miss. What I'm not going to miss is the season-ending disappointments. It was probably the best move for Shanahan to get fired, as much as I hate to admit it. I have a ton of confidence in the new staff, however and I think that next season Jay Cutler will more than likely be an MVP candidate. Yes, he is pouty and there will be some growing pains, but no-one can thread the ball like Jay Cutler can, plain and simple. There will be some work on his interceptions and that will come in time. Even Elway threw his share of interceptions trying to fit the ball in tight spaces. I don't think there is a quarterback in the league with as much potential as Cutler. I feel really good about how the team kept Dennison and Bobby Turner to keep the O-line and running game intact. The rest, like the passing game, and receivers needed it's share of work and a new outlook, and concept may be the best thing for this team to reach it's full potential.: Multiple championships. Lets go for 3 in a row. Yes, it would have been great for Shanahan to bring the glory back, but it is time to move forward and stand behind this new coaching staff and expect nothing but the best, and accept whatever happens. (True fans) Go Broncos!
January 20, 2009

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dehag24 writes:

Hows the battle guys? LOL

hey just wanted to drop my 2 cents, as far as Jay goes he is the future of the Broncos he will lead us to some great things.

I am not unhappy that Bates is gone, he did a great job between the 20's as far as red zone just BAD!!!

I feel that McD did a little power play showing that he is the man that will choose his staff not Jay, no matter how much he wanted Bates to stay.....
January 20, 2009

9:35 a.m.

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action_now writes:

You don't need a burner to run the long ball like that. In the Baltimore-Tennessee playoff game, Derrick Mason ran a few perfect bombs and he won't be confused with anybody fast like that. How about Vincent Jackson on a long bomb from Phillip Rivers. It's all about calling the plays and executing. Bates called the same stuff over and over again. He may have been a mentor to Cutler, but he wasn't a play caller.
January 20, 2009

9:37 a.m.

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BroncoBrad writes:

Truthhurts, If I'm not mistaken, Cutler did have a very good game against the Chargers the first time around. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the only games his passer rating was below 70% was the New England and Oakland games, and the NE game was only low because he had two interceptions. That is likely to happen to almost any QB when you get behind very quickly and you know your defense stinks and can't stop anyone.

Also, please check your stats before you post on here. While I agree Denver's running game was not like it has been in the past, we still averaged over 116 yards per game, which was 12th best in the NFL.

If you want to be a hater, go post over on the Denver Post. Your bandwagon buddies are all over there hating on their so called "team".

If you are a true fan, then you stand behind your team. You may not always like the way things pan out, but that is life. Do you sit around and gripe to yourself when your life stinks? Probably. You may even have your own bulletin board to post on with yourself. It could be worse, we could be the Lions or Bengals.
January 20, 2009

9:56 a.m.

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vermonttroy writes:

I don't know what Bates' Bronco salary is, and though his USC salary is reported to be $1MM/annum, USC only pays the difference btwn the two salaries
January 20, 2009

10:02 a.m.

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yamahabass2 writes:

Have you seen the schedule next year? Bronco fans (including me) had better be patient because next year's schedule is brutal.
January 20, 2009

11:04 a.m.

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Broncofan_in_Boston writes:

Too many comments to try and point out, but wanted to weigh in on Cutler.

He has absolute, top end talent. He, at times, has shown that the other team can get under his skin by talking smack. He, at times, has shown that he pouts and plays angry, trying to force the ball to B.Marsh... as the season went on, I thought he showed more maturity and played great in some games, even when things were going poorly. Against Cleveland, Atlanta, KC and even Buffalo, he led key drives. Obviously, the Buff game didn't work out, but down 7, he led 2 drives into the redzone. If Stokely pulls down that pass, who knows?

Now, he also made a lot of mistakes. He missed open guys, sometimes for touchdowns. Right before Stoke dropped the pass, he was wide open and Jay overthrew him.

But he's young and with that defense and lack of running attack, he's under tremendous pressure to carry the team.

I think Jay will mature this offseason after he has a chance to step back. He will need to open his mind and work well with McD if he wants to succeed personally and lead this team.

Its sometimes hard for us to remember he is still a kid. Me included.

Hopefully, he will get some help next season. A more consistent running game would be a huge factor. A healthy back to carry the load and bring the fear back into our running attack. Hillis to pound short yardage and redzone.

I'd like to see if Sheffler can stay on the field. Jay and Tony have a good relationship and Sheffler is a tremendous weapon "when healthy".

Obviously, a defense that can compete.

And finally, Brandon Marshall stepping up his game to match his mouth and potential.

I watch Larry Fitzgerald and think Brandon can be every bit the beast that Fitzgerald is. He is a powerful guy, he's even bigger and stronger than Larry. I want to see a receiver who will go up for every pass and battle the defenders to get his hands on it.

One big problem I had with Shanny and Bates this season was they didn't do a good job finding ways to get Brandon open. Obviously, teams overplayed him, but all great receivers go through that. Move him around, get him in motion, whatever it takes. McD and the Pats run a lot of "pick" plays. Like Indy... they find ways to get receivers open in space. I hope they help Brandon achieve his potential and I hope Brandon brings the right attitude to reach his potential.

This team can be an offensive juggernaut if it comes together.
January 20, 2009

11:15 a.m.

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buffoklag writes:

I don't want to criticize Eddie Royal, you can't ask for more than he gave as a rookie, and I can't dispute your quote for his 40 time. However, he was hauled down from behind several times and looked behind him a lot in the open field. I guess that's why I thought he was quick not fast. Or maybe he's really fast in the 40, not the hundred. What's indisputable is that he gets off the line like few have. Perhaps a conditioning issue? I dunno. Also, I do remember an almost-bomb play - it was the TD throw to Marshall that got called back for offensive pass interference. Wasn't a super-long throw, but was bomb-like at least. However, that's the only one I can remember all season!
January 20, 2009

11:21 a.m.

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BroncoBrad writes:

Broncofan,

I agree about Scheff. The guy is great when he is on the field. I think this coming season will be his breakout season as this will be the first offseason he hasn't had to deal with his broken foot suffered two years ago. He was banged up a little this year, but still played signficantly more than the past two years. I am expecting him to produce a lot more this year, assuming Tuten doesn't inflict a groin or hammy injury on him. Man I hope Rick Tutenkhamun gets canned. If anyone deserved to be canned this year it was him.

I would have to argue that our main problem on offense is we are too concerned with getting the ball downfield and trying to make things happen. We tried to force our game plan on everyone and when it didn't work, we didn't seem to make the adjustments necessary. Some if not most of this was Cutler's fault for not going through his checkdowns. For instance, when the deep ball wasn't there, he tried to force it into his receivers rather than taking what the defense was willing to give up. Did anyone watch the Eagles/Cardinals game on Sunday (dumb question)? Warner was a perfect example of just taking what the defense was willing to give with the underneath stuff. You keep working it, until the defense starts to cheat up and then it opens up the play action passes and the deep balls. Perhaps this was Bates' inexperience shining through, but I think that coupled with the fact that the offense had to account for the defense, or lack there of, on every possession was a major issue. I am hoping that with the changing of the guard, comes fresh ideas and better coaching. Mike was a great offensive coach, but you need to have good coaches on your staff. Bates will be a great offensive coach down the road, but he just doesn't have the experience yet. He is on his way, after learning from the best.

This offseason and year will be very interesting as things develop.

Go Broncos.
January 20, 2009

11:25 a.m.

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BroncoBrad writes:

Buff,

Eddie is fast. I was at the Cleveland game when he broke the 93 yard TD, and he was in the endzone before you could blink. The guy is fast. By the time he broke free of the corner and I yelled "GO EDDIEEEEEEEEEEE" he had scored. I think my throat still hurts from yelling at that game in the 4th Qtr.
January 20, 2009

12:26 p.m.

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denversportsfan writes:

QB's like Elway are a rare breed and Jay has some big shoes to fill. Give the kid a couple more years to grow, learn and let's see how he leads the team. Elway had the rare ability to will the team to victory with his legs and arm. That came with time and hopefully Jay has some of that in him. A strong arm is great, but that doesn't always translate to winning. BTW I still don't see the stronger than Elway arm. Jay made a few across the field throws this year and they seemed to lack velocity and kind of hung in the air. Where as I remember Elways's across the grain throws being darts and it didn't matter if he was throwing off his back foot or not. Man do I miss watching him play!
January 20, 2009

12:31 p.m.

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chip writes:

good move for Bates...he goes to a high profile program with great talent & can continue to get experience..

he showed a lot of promise here & i am glad to see he isnt taking the Jason Garret route...

I think he will be an NFL OC & possibly a head coach at some point...
January 20, 2009

1:20 p.m.

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nfntryblue32 writes:

broncorick: 3 superbowls in a row, come on, let's win division once first

about next year's schedule... we don't have to win home-field...just finish better than SD,KC,OAK (all three are playing same two divisions we are) I don't like playing NE and Indy over Tenn and Mia but it will be alright.
January 20, 2009

1:30 p.m.

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BroncoRick69 writes:

We had this division won all season until the last game.
January 20, 2009

1:38 p.m.

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kmeissner writes:

Bring in Elway as a mentor to Jay! That will help Jay become a hall of famer for sure. 3rd year and already in the Pro Bowl? Amazing. And even more amazing is the fact that Rivers DIDN'T make it. hahaha!

I think having Elway around would really help Cutler become a true leader. He's showing flashes but I agree that he looks pretty pouty most of the time.

GO BRONCOS! All the people calling for a new QB are crazy.
January 20, 2009

1:53 p.m.

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pete10000ft writes:

Bates gone?
Just clearing the way for Culters exit: "...playing starting QB for your Denver Broncos: Matt Cassel" McD is doing exactly what Belichek did to Bledsoe in NE: writing on the wall.
January 20, 2009

2:08 p.m.

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buffoklag writes:

kmeissner, that's a great idea. I truly believe that Elway mentoring Cutler would be extremely beneficial for all concerned - including us! Who wouldn't get behind that? And "pouty" is a perfect word. Quarterbacks I've pulled for in my lifetime, Tittle, Namath, Morton, Elway, etc. all had one thing in common - they got crushed and pulverized and ground into the turf 10 times more than Cutler has. Namath and Morton were walking cripples with pain thresholds few of us could begin to comprehend, and I never saw one pout from either of them. I guarantee the new regime has noticed the pouting. If a fierce competitor like Rivers could contain his mouthing off, I'm sure an intelligent guy like Cutler can quit pouting. In fact I'll close on a positive note and say I expect it to happen. Now about that haircut. . . we might have to bring in a haircut coach!
January 20, 2009

2:10 p.m.

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JayRome writes:

Cutler6. I write what I write because I like to get a rise out of people, and also because I watched Shanahan blow it draft after draft. Obviously, I've got Cutler6 jumping all over the room. I win! They say you can tell much about a man's true grit by how often he resorts to insults and personal attacks when confronted by something or someone that confounds them. All I did was state facts and opinions without the low blows. Cutler6, why don't you go pour yourself a nice glass of milk and calm down. And by the way, I just finished graduate school up here in Fort Collins and still managed to make almost make 40 g's a year as a full-time student. How'd you do in grad school?
January 20, 2009

2:23 p.m.

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Cutler6 writes:

JayRome you need to grow up, you sound like a school girl-my dad can beat up your dad. Let me put it this way, you are a young punk who thinks having a graduate degree from college makes you all world. Well, I graduated from CSU 18 years ago and actually have a manager job at a coporation and make three times what you make. There you go I came down to your level and still won. If you think what I said was an insult and or a personal attack, you'd better get a thicker skin before you go out with your "masters degree"in the real world, because acting like you know everything is much different then actually knowing what you are talking about.
January 20, 2009

2:30 p.m.

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kmeissner writes:

buffoklag what's wrong with his haircut? At least he doesn't have the mtn. man plummer look. I miss the days of Elway with his wannabe mullet. haha

Cutler just always looks like someone just told him that he was fired. Like he's got a chip on his shoulder. But who knows? That could help him in the long run. All the "real" bronco fans know that he gets that look when he wants to win!

GO BRONCOS!
January 20, 2009

2:35 p.m.

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JayRome writes:

Young punk? School girl? Man again with the insults. Show some class. At the age of 32 I got tired of being a vegetable farmer (real world) in Eastern Washington and sold the darn thing, and then went to graduate school in my home town because I was bored. Good for you for stating your income, though I doubt it is correct. When I stated what I earned while in grad school, I was directly addressing someone else's comment about wondering what I did for a living, so you didn't really sink to anyone's level but your own. I've got thicker skin than you can imagine, but that is neither here nor there, because all I was doing was offering my opinion about a QB who has a bad attitude, way worse than Elway, probably about as bad as yours. But thanks for the advice anyway. I am still Nostradamus!!! C'mon Cutler6, show me how mad you can get. I'll just chuckle and go grab a beer.
January 20, 2009

2:40 p.m.

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bronc4evah writes:

A little late to the discussion, but here's 2 cents worth. Enough with all the psychoanalysis and uninformed ranting at Cutler. If you don't like the way the guy looks, try looking in your own mirror. All this blabbing about his questionable attitude, all his supposed whining, and imagined tantrums about coaching is a load of hooey that some of the least informed (nostril dumas) have made because they don't like the way he looks or didn't say what they thought he should. There are few players that recover from a mistake quicker than Cutler, and his abilities and competitive nature have not been criticized by the guys on the field or any coach. He was chosen to go to the Pro Bowl by his peers because they thought he is one of the best. End of story.
January 20, 2009

2:44 p.m.

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JayRome writes:

Chuckle chuckle
January 20, 2009

2:50 p.m.

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Cutler6 writes:

JayRome, not mad at all, I think your posts speak for itself. Just stating the facts, now go have a beer.
January 20, 2009

2:51 p.m.

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JayRome writes:

mmmmmmmmmmmm............beer
January 20, 2009

2:56 p.m.

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bronc4evah writes:

By the way chuckles, I exceeded the value of all your comments by exactly 2 cents, what a waste!
January 20, 2009

3:07 p.m.

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royalmarshalls writes:

bronc4evah,

Your following comment, "There are few players that recover from a mistake quicker than Cutler, and his abilities and competitive nature have not been criticized by the guys on the field or any coach", was one of my favorites ever posted on this blog. I dont think there is anyone I need or must say.

Cutler6 & JayRome,

I am 38 years old, make $20.00/wk doing chores for my mom, whom I still live with, plus I dropped out of school in the 8th grade. LOL! Come on guys, stay with the Bronco related topics. You guys were on a decent role having an argument stating valid points and why you thought that way. Keep the negative comments too yourself, I think I can speak for everyone when I say we wanna talk Broncos, not paychecks or degrees.
January 20, 2009

3:24 p.m.

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Broncofan_in_Boston writes:

Easy ladies, we are all supposed to be friends with a common cause. Besides, college is overrated. After graduating in business, and doing that scene for a few short years, I then scrapped it and went into IT. Way more fun.

Other than meeting my wife, and that's certainly debatable on its merits :), I coulda skipped school entirely. Though, I wouldn't call it a waste of time... Penn State was a pretty fun school.

Broncobrad... Tuten inflicting a groin injury? That was funny.

Off-topic... I've been a bit slow at work for a few weeks and decided to see if I could check out some draft sites. The first one I find says at 12, broncos will select Maclin, WR out of Mizzou. Other than BM, they have nobody that scares defenses... then something about desean jackson showing rookies can contribute.

Really? I guess he never heard of Eddie Royal and his 91 catches and 5 tds... not to mention that he would have had 1000 yards if not for jeremy bates falling in love with the bubble screen in the last 3 weeks. I'm sure Eddie lost at least 20 yards on bubble screens and he finished with 980.

What a complete waste of time and internet space.

If they take a receiver #1, i will throw up in my bronco hat

The second draft site I found had them taking beanie wells. I agree that they need a running back, but beanie had about 30 yards against PSU, he's slow and if they take him at 12, I will throw up in my bronco hat.

I'm done with the mock draft thing. They are pretty dumb.
January 20, 2009

3:25 p.m.

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cr9170 writes:

Hey guys, who knows about next year schedule, who we play..........
January 20, 2009

3:27 p.m.

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oneeye writes:

I think cutler is a very good quarterback ! that said why don't you who keep belittling him call for his release maybe he can prove you right or wrong somewhere else but if denver were to release him i'll bet there would be a number of teams trying to sign him
also i don't see how changing offensive minded coaches will help fix the defensive problems. I could have seen denver going with a defensive minded head coach but if they don't pick the right defensive coaches and defensive players i don't see any upside
January 20, 2009

3:33 p.m.

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BigRedCelt writes:

Buffoklag...I've been asking where the long ball is since mid-season. I didn't care for Bates in the least and glad he's gone. I whish him well,but gald he's gone.

As far as chewing some reciever butt? No problem there. I want a QB with fire. John did it, Fouts did it, Marino did it. No problem there at all. That being said Cutler does need to grow up. Toughen up buttercup. This kid has sick talent and very young. Just thinking of how good he will be gives me shivers.

As far as the WR coach being gone...buh bye, so long. Bad routs and recievers not coming back for the ball is inexcusable at this level. This team is heading in the right direction.
January 20, 2009

3:37 p.m.

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royalmarshalls writes:

Broncofan_in_Boston,

Wow! I also read a handful of those lame "Mock Drafts", or as I like to call them, uninformed along with no prior football knowledge, drafts. BJ and Rey were the two that most commonly came up as who they, I am assuming "they" as in the football Gods, beleive Denver will draft at the #12 spot. However, I will also shocked that the third most frequent player ended up being Chris "Beanie" Wells. This makes no sense too me and I will throw up on my Bronco bed sheets(exaggeration) if they select him. LOL! He would serve us no purpose as I beleive Hillis, Torain, Bell, and Alridge are more favorable. I also saw a few sites that listed who the Broncos would pick up in FA, the most common players were Derrick Ward and Darren Sharper. Interesting....LOL!
January 20, 2009

3:43 p.m.

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discer writes:

IMO. There are very few coaches out there that wouldn't want Jay Cutler. He has the ability to make throws that very few QB's can make. I believe that Josh McDaniels wanted to come to Denver as bad as Pat Bowlen wanted him. And I it is certainly not because of their vaunted Defense. That will mostly be up to Nolan. But if McDaniels can get everybody an the offense to play just a little better and add to that a normal running game, the Bronco's will be hard to stop all year. It's pretty obvious which unit needs the talent and the work this off-season. It is going to be exciting to watch a new group of men trying to assemble a defense that won't be a drag on the offense and an embarrassment to the entire organization. I for one am very intrigued and excited at the possibilities.
January 20, 2009

3:50 p.m.

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Royal19 writes:

Mock draft guys are MORONS. "Beanie" Wells @ 12??? We already have enough injury prone running backs. We must pick DEF with the first pick.
January 20, 2009

3:52 p.m.

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discer writes:

and the 2nd and the 3rd and the 4th and so on and so forth.
January 20, 2009

3:54 p.m.

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bronc4evah writes:

Fan in Boston, I think we can all rest easy and spare our hats the contents of our nervous stomachs. We may draft a wr later in the draft, but not early on. I really think that McDaniel will improve this offense by utilizing more down the field plays, as many have noted on here, we were sorely lacking that this year. They were committed to improving our use of the middle of the field this year, but then completely got away from testing other teams down the field with our early success. That will change and Cutlers arm will get the chance to hurl it downfield more this year. Defenses were not terribly worried about getting beat deep by Denver because Bates took it out of play, and were able to play up close and personal with Marshall and co. I believe McDaniel is an oppurtunistic coach and will find ways for this team to be less predictable on offense, and hopefully competent on defense.
January 20, 2009

3:56 p.m.

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discer writes:

Maluega or that Moore kid who played safety at Missouri IMO would be a good first choice. But hey what do I know. I thought they would take Ed Reed when they took Ms Ashley PeePee.
January 20, 2009

5:22 p.m.

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BO writes:

JayRome-
You can have issues with Cutler's attitude if you want, but you need to cut the "winners elevate everyone around them" crap in regards to Vandy. Yes, they won a bowl game this year- their first bowl appearence since the 1984 Hall of Fame Bowl (L to Air Force). Where was this bowl game that they won this year? Nashville. There have been many college players at less-than-winning programs that have done well in the NFL.
January 20, 2009

6:29 p.m.

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fan4life writes:

As I recall, there were a lot of dropped balls this year. Cutler has a job as the "on the field leader" to demand the best from everyone on his offense. I don't know about you, but I want that kind of leader. As long as it doesn't affect the play clock. Elway and Plummer were no different (Griese was not that kind of leader). As to the Bates situation; remember when Reeves was head coach, the offensive coordinator (Shanahan) and Elway were getting too close? Shanahan was canned. Just a little history.
January 20, 2009

6:46 p.m.

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PaulieC writes:

Alright, if I hear one more person say that Culter is so young I am going to throw up... The time is now, this coming year. Look at what the rookie QB did for Baltimore or what Ross. did for Pittsburgh his rookie year? How about Ryan this year for Atlanta? How many years do we need to give him anyways to make the playoffs, (Thats right, PLAYOFFS). Do we need to wait a couple more years now that we have a new head coach? Is next year a rebuilding year? This will be my last year supporting him and if he doesn't take us to the playoffs next year I'm gone. Oh and BTW he needs to grow up and have an attitude ajustment. I hate listening to him after a game and take NO responsibility for any of the losses. Also, since I'm on the subject, Jay, get a hair cut and dress accordingly. Sometimes you look like a homeless person after the game. Didn't the Broncos pay you enough to get some nice clothes.............
January 20, 2009

6:59 p.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

pete10000ft, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. God, you're a funny guy.

JayRome, you said you write what you write to get a rise out of people. We call those type of people jerks. You say you're 32? Act it. Telling Cutler6, "I win", is childish and laughable. This isn't a contest. Time to grow up. Don't write to people what you wouldn't say face to face. If Cutler6 or any of us are boring you, as you said, then go to a different blog? Also, talk football. We already know you don't like Jay Cutler. It's obvious. You're Nostrodamus look at him is as laughable as pete10000ft. No logic. You obviously don't know talent to talk the things you did about Jay. They were inaccurate and one-sided, yours. Fine, but nobody here will side with you about him. He may need to grow up some, but he has talent and is acting a sight more mature then you. Think on that one, "Nostradamus." Right now, you're batting 0 for 5.

Royalmarshalls, yeah, like I said earlier, one mock draft had Denver as the #16 pick. Laughable.
January 20, 2009

7:07 p.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

PaulieC, calm down. Cutler played for an offense that had RB injuries that had to be an all time record. He's making the Pro Bowl, yet you place the blame on him? Confusing? He played on only one side of the ball? He wasn't in control of the D, who was last in 16 different catagories. You're placing the blame on one person? It's a team effort just as much as it's a team loss. And don't you think you're overreacting (being petty) when you have to rag about his haircut? I mean, really now....
January 20, 2009

7:43 p.m.

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Cutler6 writes:

One other thing people may want to look at, and I am no doctor, but I have heard that people who have diabetes can have a tendency to have mood swings (which I could imagine, since your blood sugar has to be regulated fairly consistantly).

Persons with type 1 diabetes may also have other serious disorders associated with diabetes including Addison’s disease, celiac sprue, cystic fibrosis (CF), eating disorders, hashimoto’s thyroiditis, hemochromatosis (over overload, sometimes also called the “bronze diabetes), fibromyalgia, irritable bowel syndrome, and/or polycystic ovarian syndrome – all of which involved intensive lifestyle management and can have long-term serious health consequences and can contribute to the risk of depression.

Frustrations over the disease aspects seeming to control the person with diabetes and associated disorders involves a stressful 24 hours a day, 7 days a week vigilance – and it can takes its toll. When complications set in, the person may feel helpless and frustrated; feelings and events that can lead to depression and the risk of developing eating disorders.

Compounded by the fact that he is consistantly trying to mask the deficiences of the poor defense (trying to keep them off the field).\

Let me put it in terms we may all be able to understand. How does everyone feel when their boss request a project done in 1 day that should take 3 days comfortably to complete, would you make some mistakes every now and then?
January 20, 2009

8:51 p.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

Cutler6, no, no, no, no. PaulieC had it nailed. It's his bad haircut and his homeless dress attire.... Can you believe some of these posts? I think, however, to get back to your comment, that the doctors and Broncos have a handle on his diabetes. I don't think he's suffering any ill effects. He's just competitive and trying to step into the leadership role. People on the outside who see him yelling at a player, etc., don't know the whole story. They would rather crucify and whine, rather then support him. It's much easier to complain and offer nothing constructive, rather than to do the opposite. Give them no serious thought. When somebody has to become a fashion critic to strengthen their case, that speaks wonders for their argument.
January 20, 2009

9:12 p.m.

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bagwan writes:

PaulieC has a real handle on the NFL young QB situation. He refers to the rookie Baltimore QB whose name seems to escape him. Have you ever seen anyone look more like a rookie than Joe Flacco this weekend. Then his next reference is to Ross. (sic) from Pittsburg in his rookie year. I think we know who he means, but you could still come closer to the name. And finally he was impressed by Ryan from Atlanta. He may have missed the Broncos at Atlanta game if he really thinks Ryan outplayed Cutler.Haircut, body language and yelling at poor little Eddie are not great ways to judge Jay. How about 4500 yards, 62% completion,25 TD's and a Pro Bowl in his third year.
January 20, 2009

9:59 p.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

bagwan, yep, some real edumacated posters. Nobody minds "opinions", but when they are opinions based off of pure emotion with no facts to back it (or, if facts, make sure they're correct). I'm still chuckling at the hair and clothes post. Sheesh.
January 21, 2009

11:46 a.m.

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Broncofan_in_Boston writes:

I wanted to touch on the diabetes issue.

I was diagnosed type 2 about 3 years ago. Its a bit different because my body still produces and uses some insulin. It just doesn't do it very well. At this point, I am able to manage it through meds, diet and exercise. Jay has type 1, so his body produces no insulin and he has to take injections. This is inherently more difficult.

I also think its always slippery to compare ourselves to pro athletes. Most of us just don't put that type of stress on our bodies. Especially as we get older.

However, I am a very active person. I'm still relatively young, having just turned 39. I walk 3 miles, 3-4x a week. I lift weights 2x/week. I'm an avid martial artist (2-3x/week), fisherman and I have 3 young children who play sports... Other than in winter, I'm usually moving.

If I'm managing my blood sugar properly, I generally have the energy to do all of this. If not, I am prone to crashes, fatigue, mood swings and depression. The depression is also due to frustration. This is a disease for life. Most of the time, you just plug along and deal with it, but sometimes you get po'd at life.

None of the things I do compare to what Jay goes thru in practice, or on gameday. Heavy exercise helps your body use the sugar in the blood. This is a good thing for diabetics, but also makes managing blood glucose during exercise or sports very difficult. The closest thing I could compare to would be martial arts.

Any of you guys that train know it can be a very taxing workout, particularly, sparring. I practice a traditional, standup art, but to keep up with the times (the MMA craze), we practice takedowns and grappling and sometimes add that into our sparring. An hour of this and I'm completely wasted.

So what does all this mean? I don't want to make the one guy mad, but Jay is very "young". So, while he should have the mental energy to battle this disease, he may also be more prone to the depression. It very daunting to think you will have to live with this for 60 more years. The disease has many long term ramifications to your health. You do think about it.

As for managing the blood sugar, that has to be tough and a distraction for him during the game. He's relatively new at this, so he may not be able to recognize when he's starting to get out of whack right away. On the other hand, he has professional medical staff helping him manage this. Something you or I do not. So while he is pushing his body much further than I am, he has other people to worry about it.

Now I've noticed that I'm hitting new limits in strength and endurance. Lower limits. Is that diabetes or pushing 40? I don't know. I may not recover as quickly due to the disease and this may be true with Jay as well. That's speculation. So, I'm going to agree that its a factor, but I think Jay has the resources to overcome diabetes and perform at the highest level. Just wanted to throw in my $.02
January 21, 2009

12:56 p.m.

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Cutler6 writes:

Broncofan_in_Boston- That is exactly what I am trying to touch upon, Jay has only had to begin dealing with this issue for only one year now. I am sure Cutler is being watched very closely not only for his physical issue but his mental stability as well. My point is that any one thing is not exactly going to hinder a 24 year old athlete but when you start putting many things together especillay one as serious as diabete, it may take some time for Cutler to learn how to deal with work with it mentally , and who knows if he is suffering from depression or mood issues maybe he is taking somethinhg for that or someone is working with him as wee speak. We just don't know what pesonal issues Cutler may have benn or still is facing.
January 21, 2009

1:37 p.m.

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Broncofan_in_Boston writes:

Cutler6, absolutely agree.

In my long winded post, I probably didn't quite get that across. He is worse off than I am for many reasons.

He's type 1... which is tougher to manage

He's younger... IMO, that's a negative mentally. Look, I've gotten through half my life without having to deal with it. He's a pup and has got a long way to go.

And he's attempting to perform athletics at the highest level.

I'm just trying to stay in shape and keep up with my kids. I don't have to outrun a 300 pound DL trying to take my head off.

And isn't trying to succeed as an NFL QB a tough enough job? Not too many do it and do it well.

Something else that is typical of diabetics. For the first few months to a year, you are all gung ho! I'm gonna eat right, exercise, research the disease... you attack it. Then it hits you. The rest of your life... that's when the mental part really comes into play. I've got to eat veggies and whole grain cr#p the rest of my life? No way dude!

Jay is probably still in that adjustment period whether he knows it or not. It will take some time to get everything balanced out. And just like the rest of us, there will be ups and downs. Not just on the field.

He'll get there... he's got a lot going for him.
January 21, 2009

1:59 p.m.

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Broncofan_in_Boston writes:

Sorry guys for posting my life story... but one more thing.

I don't want anyone to misinterpret my post. I know sometimes threads turn into pissing contests and sometimes it escalates to keyboard warriors. I don't see that much here, but its pretty common around the net.

Of all places, I used to chat on a fishing board up here in New England. Guys would be ready to fist fight over whether fishing from the beach or fishing from a boat was better. I mean, its fishing, its supposed to be fun, right? You can imagine how tough everyone is on a board discussing martial arts or mma. Everyone is Jet Li, Steven Seagal and Chuck Liddell rolled into one.

I was hesitant to bring up martial arts... I'm not trying to be a tough guy or anything. I promise you.

I just wanted to relate the best I could how diabetes might affect Jay in his every day life and during games.

Please don't haze me.

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