Broncos give Bates OK to talk with Raiders

By Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published January 13, 2009 at 2:28 p.m.
Updated January 13, 2009 at 2:28 p.m.

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January 13, 2009

3:34 p.m.

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orangealways writes:

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
January 13, 2009

3:41 p.m.

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42n8 writes:

You know, sometimes it's best just to complete the surgery you've begun. Jeremy Bates deserves a chance to shine, although it would sicken me if he did so with the Faders, and he's just not going to get that with this new coaching staff in place; so I think it speaks well of the Broncos to let him shop his talents around the league. Hopefully he'll have a long, successful career in the NFC and win every Super Bowl the Broncos Don't. Thanks for your hard work on our behalf, Jeremy, and good luck in the future!
January 13, 2009

3:42 p.m.

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Bigg_Nuggets writes:

Fire him. I can't beleive that someone would be allowed ot interview with the Raiders and then come back. I wanted to keep him around, but seriously going to the Raiders? Get out.
January 13, 2009

3:56 p.m.

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Willy writes:

Hope Shanahan calls him and lets him know greasy Al's true colors.
January 13, 2009

4:02 p.m.

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hoppman writes:

Let him go, he wasn't that great of a play caller. How many times did he call the #%$& bubble screen against the Chargers after it didn't work and then finally the interception. Anyone watching the game saw that the dolts had that play sniffed out.
January 13, 2009

4:08 p.m.

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El_Braino writes:

hoppman;

I agree - also that stupid draw play up the middle on 3rd and long. Yeah, that was creative....
January 13, 2009

4:09 p.m.

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liesandpropaganda08 writes:

Slap and vigorously shake whoever is letting him leave until they come to their senses.
January 13, 2009

4:21 p.m.

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jlstaud writes:

Face it folks, we can say goodbye to Bates and Turner. McDaniels is bringing in his offense and if you've ever watched the Pats, you know its pass first, and run only when you have to. Personally I hate it, but that is the way it goes. Look for both of these guys to resurface in Dallas with Shanny. I'm sadened by Bates and sick at loosing Turner. We will never have an effective running game again. So much for Torain, Hillis, Pittman, etc.
January 13, 2009

4:25 p.m.

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OrangeCrusher writes:

I think everyone will be surprised to see how well the offense can be without Bates. We might even actually score in the red zone! Jay will learn to be his own man and doesn't need his blankie (bates).

The playcalling was horrible last season, very predictable. And how can you have one guy (bates) running the pass game and another guy (dennison) running the ground attack? It should all work together under one coordinator? no wonder Mike got shana-caned! I say let Bates go to the Raduhs, we will know every play they make. They will go for the bubble screen a lot I'm sure.
January 13, 2009

4:35 p.m.

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liesandpropaganda08 writes:

I am excited to see the changes McDaniels can make for the offense. I guess Bates doesn't want to surrender his playcalling duties and has other offers to continue doing so. Makes sense and I really didn't see it like that before. Thanks JB...best wishes.

If he goes to the enemy, I hope our players, one-by-one (think Airplane), beat the living hell out of him when he cleans out his office.
January 13, 2009

4:58 p.m.

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SouthernBuff writes:

JLStaud, did I miss something? Did a report come out saying any of the coaches are leaving (however likely it seems for some of them)? I think Turner stays and in fact Bowlen has said he wants him to stay on board. I am willing to bet the owner's opinion matters...
January 13, 2009

5:22 p.m.

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Bluebeard writes:

OMG, let him go...more that half of Bate's playbook comes from the Patriot's 2007 game film. hmmm I wonder who drew up those plays? McDaniels! Better to have the real thing than a poser, who lacks creativity and doesn't make adjustments. In addition, Cutler's the same arrogant quarterback he was his first and second year. So don't give me any: well Cutler is so good now. He's not! Maybe Mcdaniels can turn that arrogance into intelligence. Peace
January 13, 2009

5:23 p.m.

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Dusty_Piniella writes:

They can let go of Bates but for pete's sake KEEP BOBBY TURNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 13, 2009

5:40 p.m.

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OrangeCrusher writes:

For pete's sake lets keep the kitchen sink!!!....uhhh..kidn
January 13, 2009

6:40 p.m.

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preacher_jmac writes:

Am I the only one that can see this? Maybe I am wrong, but her goes...
Assuming McDaniels does bring in the type offensive system he ran in N.E. then the offensive players are in place.
1. Our o-line as it is now, pass blocks better than they run block. Case in point Clady, adequate and improving run blocker, fabulous and improving pass blocker. Even when teams knew that we had to throw they could not touch Cutler
2. Cutler has proven he can carry the load. This will let cutler be Cutler and grow.
3. With no proven durable back, running less is a good thing. Besides we don't have a proven back, not even our rookies are proven that they can play and not get hurt.

Also just because we have not heard from Cutler does not mean he is fuming, which I have read in some of these posts. He is probably doing what we all must do...wait and see. Besides Mr. B. said Cutler would have input. I doubt Cutler saw we hired the Offensive coordinator of the most proficient offense in history, and personal coach of Tom Brady and said, "I want none of that. I am out."
Think about it.
January 13, 2009

6:45 p.m.

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bronkrod7 writes:

Hoppman I agree totaly. I screamed at my tv everytime I saw that play and not once did it work! Did it ever work at all? Our offense was a very base offense all season, no imagination at all. Let Bates go to the raiders and learn his leason the hard way. I think the McDaniels will make a better offensive coordinator anyways.
Bluebeard, you seam to forget about Elway's early years? He was labeled a cocky, arrogant brat and look where he is now. Get off the kids back, he has enough of a load to carry without a bunch of whiny babies carring on.
January 13, 2009

6:52 p.m.

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Spider writes:

I'd bet he'd keep Turner. As good as the patsies have been the last few years, they haven't really had that good of a running game. McDaniels has to be thinking how much better his system would be with Turner's running game. If Bates does wind up with the faderz the first thing he really needs to do is Russell on a strict diet and make him get rid of all the bling and fur coats.
January 13, 2009

6:58 p.m.

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upacreek333 writes:

Hoppman, you are right on... the wide receiver screen? Huh? It would be one thing if it worked a couple of times, but every time BM touched the ball on the screen, he took steps backwards... can't believe they kept calling it...

I hope Cutler can embrace the idea of a new coach and isn't so stuck on Bates that he'll pout about it. McDaniels can take JC to the next level if he's receptive enough to let him do it. I'm OK with Bates staying on, but good grief, if he whines over playcalling duties, show him the door.
January 13, 2009

7:04 p.m.

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El_Braino writes:

It was posted on CBS4 sports that Dennison will not be retained as the Offensive Coordinator. That might potentially lead the way to Bates being promoted, if his ego isn't shattered at the thought of relenquishing the play calling duties.
January 13, 2009

7:22 p.m.

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castortroy33 writes:

Bates called bubble screens for at least a couple reasons.

1. We had no running game

2. To make the safties beleive your going to run it again only to have Royal pretend to block than turn upfield and recieve a Cutler bomb for a possible touchdown.

You may have seen it work last weekend with Fitzgerald and Warner against Carolina.

It's called baiting and every team tries some form of it every game.

Bates did a fine job and should be proud of what he did here. But these things happen when you lose. Capable people lose their jobs when a new head coach comes in.
January 13, 2009

7:32 p.m.

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El_Braino writes:

castortroy33:
You can only bait a team so many times before they realize that you're not going deep. I did see that same play work against Carolina, but if you noticed, their play-calling was not as predicatable as what we were accustomed to seeing this season with the Broncos.
January 13, 2009

8:23 p.m.

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avsfan71085 writes:

Cutler likes Batess, but I remember A LOT of stupid offensive plays this year that left me scratching my head.
January 13, 2009

9:19 p.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

liesandpropaganda08, agreed. Also, I might add, for those who know me from my posts (good and bad, ha, ha), know that I wanted Dennison, Bates and Turner on board. Changes are happening. I may not agree with them all, but I'm not a coach and I have no say. Could be, it's all for the better, maybe not.... Regardless, I'm here for the ride and GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 13, 2009

9:33 p.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

preacher_jmac, makes sense to me. He is being payed to do a job. He will adapt. As far as the RB's, Hillis showed the most promise and his injury was one that doesn't show me that he is "prone to injury." That was an injury that nobody would have walked away from. Give Torain a chance, as well. I think we have some young kids who deserve another chance on the field. I hope McDaniels is smart enough to see that and draft defense. If not, then he is disregarding every single thing that Bowlen asked and is becoming a Mike Shanahan and doing everything, his way. I hope he keeps the O intact? Obviously he is changing coaches. If he changes any of our best O players, he loses any of my fan support (like he cares, right, ha, ha).
January 13, 2009

9:35 p.m.

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BroncofaninDuckland writes:

Hoppman is right. Against the Bolts we ran that play into the ground until it resulted in a turnover. That screen was started by the Patriots, was it not? Once or twice is bait. If they have it covered and you run it 7 times, that is asinine!
January 13, 2009

9:40 p.m.

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OrangeCrusher writes:

Jay Cutler is going to absolutley flourish under MdDaniels and the New England style O!!!!

This is the best thing that could have ever happened to Cutler!!! The system was stale in Denver. The Players tallent was what made the O look good.

Mr. MacDaddy us going to stud these boys up real fast...we Will see the playoffs this coming season!!!
January 13, 2009

10:06 p.m.

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castortroy33 writes:

your probably right orangecrusher. Speaking of orange crush...can we please get back to orange jerseys and get rid of the swoopy pointy swooshes or whatever those are supposed to be.
January 13, 2009

10:28 p.m.

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OrangeCrusher writes:

change is runnig rampent at dove vally this offseason. I wouldn't mind a bit to see a different look with the jerseys while Pats at it.

It was like magic the last time we changed shirts! like 2 instant SB's...

Like Mile High Magic......

Get that logo looking real mean and big on the helmet, and put more orange with the blue on the jerseys, mabye no swirls??
January 13, 2009

11:19 p.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

OrangeCrusher, aw, come on, man. I like the new (ok, not "new" anymore, how about "current?") uniforms. I just bought a $118 dollar Cutler jersey last season. I'm tired of buying new stuff to keep up.... I have an old Broncos sweatshirt/sweater with the "old" Broncos helmet on it. That's all I have left that is pure orange (except for my "official" Broncos fan club tee-shirt, that is also orange. I will continue to wear my Cutler jersey. I hate waste, ha, ha.
January 13, 2009

11:21 p.m.

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OrangeCrusher writes:

I'm with ya Dynamic....I got a great plummer jersey in the closet..haha
January 13, 2009

11:54 p.m.

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gahoaglund writes:

Bates isn't any hero folks, he's a QB coach....that's all. He doesn't design the plays OR script them, he just calls them. If he goes, he goes....Trust me, it won't matter.
January 14, 2009

12:23 a.m.

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Dynamicdave writes:

My fear is the zone blocking scheme. What's to become of it? Will McDaniels stay with it? I hope so. When something works as well as that did, go with it.
January 14, 2009

12:29 a.m.

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gahoaglund writes:

New England runs alot of zone blocking themselves and they have nearly the same size linemen. I don't think that will change much at all, what I am looking forward to is scoring in the red zone!
January 14, 2009

12:58 a.m.

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OPETH72 writes:

I still have a Shanahan hangover. It is what it is. Nevertheless, we have a new coach. Change is imminent. So here we go. Don't "f" it up. We have been competitive, and we better stay that way. He said 8-8 was not acceptable, so we best see 9+ wins. If not, I will question this decision. I hope soon this forum is focusing on the draft. That is the next big thing we have to look at. In the meantime, go Iggles and Steelers. That is the SB I want to see. I have great respect for both Andy Reid and Mike Tomlin. And as much as I hate to say it, as much damage as they have done to us, it is sad to see Dungy go. Pure class. Some big changes to our NFL this offseason, before the final game has even been played. Going to be an interesting few months. Jeez, have to go through summer now!!!
January 14, 2009

7:39 a.m.

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Mr_Ed writes:

Raiders? Really? Good luck with that, JereME! Who in their right mind would want to "coach" for them while Al is still kicking? I think the fact that he even wants to interview with such a dysfunctional organization ought to tell you about his impaired judgement and lack of situational awareness.
January 14, 2009

10:32 a.m.

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curoma writes:

Is the rivalry still gonna be as hateful as it was with Shanny?
I hope so!
Always love THAT victory!
(oh wait, we lost at home this season,gulp!)
A NEW attitude toward hatin' the Raidah's!
I can handle that...
(can we PLEASE beat them & the Chef's at OUR house).
Bye-bye Bates.
Can't wait to see Russell throw that pass behind the line of scrimmage on 3rd & 9. with no blocking...
(hope the Bronc's learn to tackle by then...)
January 14, 2009

10:55 a.m.

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Broncofan_in_Boston writes:

Yeah, I'm not crying over losing Bates, but I don't like the idea of Oakland having a guy that knows our franchise QB inside and out... so to speak.

hopefully, they don't know each other that well

And of course, that is the only reason the Raiders want him on their staff. His inside knowledge of the Broncos.

Initially, I was worried about Cutler being upset about losing Bates, but you know what, he needs to get over it. He's supposed to be a professional and McD's record with QBs is pretty darn good.

Let's hope we see another level from Jay Cutler next season.
January 14, 2009

11:31 a.m.

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OrangeCrusher writes:

Bates will only have inside information of the Old System... He might do good against Mike Shanahans next team..but not the McDenver new Broncos!!

We will Distroy the Raduhs next year!!!

Al Davis only wants Bates so he can get a jab in against Bowlen...
January 14, 2009

1:33 p.m.

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MGD writes:

I agree, why would anyone want to interview with and possibly work for Al Davis and the Raider organization? It makes no sense, Is Lane Kiffin suddenly a hot commodity for his time in Okland? Is the pay raise worth it for a year of misery?

Commitment to excrement.

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Broncos give Bates OK to talk with Raiders

By Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published January 13, 2009 at 2:28 p.m.Updated January 13, 2009 at 2:28 p.m.

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