Broncos report: Ravens' Ryan wants head coaching job
By Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News (Contact), Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published January 4, 2009 at 8:15 p.m.
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Baltimore defensive coordinator Rex Ryan discusses strategy with Ravens Pro Bowl linebacker Ray Lewis. Ryan says he wants to be a head coach. "If a team wants to stop somebody, all you have to do is look at my track record," he says.
As of Sunday, this was the Broncos' schedule for head-coaching candidates:
INTERVIEWED
Saturday: Steve Spagnuolo, Giants defensive coordinator, in New York.
Sunday: Josh McDaniels, Patriots offensive coordinator, in Providence, R.I.
UPCOMING
Today: Raheem Morris, Buccaneers defensive coordinator, in Denver.
Tuesday: Rick Dennison, Broncos offensive coordinator, in the morning; Jason Garrett, Cowboys offensive coordinator, in the afternoon; both in Denver.
"Surprise? No, surprise doesn't even come close. Shock either. It was just, 'Whaaaaaa?' I almost fell out of my chair. And then my wife almost fell out of her chair."
Trevor Pryce, Ravens defensive end and formerly with the Broncos, on reacting to Shanahan's firing.
After seeing his unit dismantle the Miami Dolphins offense Sunday, Baltimore Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan had a message for the Broncos and every other team in the market for a head coach:
Defense wins, and he knows how to coach it.
"The numbers say I've done a decent job," Ryan said. "If a team wants to stop somebody, all you have to do is look at my track record. If we don't get them stopped in the first year, it will probably be the first time we don't get them stopped in my career, going back through college, whatever. . . . I'll get my time, and whoever gets me will get a guy who is a real football coach and not a pretender."
The Broncos don't have Ryan among the first five candidates they will interview for their head coaching job, but Ryan said Sunday he wants to be a head coach and believes he will be one when the 2009 season begins.
The Broncos interviewed Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo on Saturday night in New York and Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels on Sunday in Providence, R.I., even as Ryan's defense intercepted Miami quarterback Chad Pennington four times and forced five turnovers overall.
Ryan and Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier are expected to be in the next wave of interviews if the Broncos don't believe they have found their man among their first five meetings.
Veteran Ravens cornerback Samari Rolle said Denver or any team would get "a guy who is ready to do it right now."
"But you know, he's a better person than a coach," Rolle said of Ryan. "He cares about you and he keeps us under control. Defense, we're his guys. I mean, look at this locker room. There are some strong personalities on this defense to deal with, real strong personalities.
"But Rex handles it. He's got a strong personality, too. Nobody disrespects Rex, nobody. We all play for him. I used to wonder when I was in Tennessee how the Ravens did it year after year. Now I know. You come in, guys understand. Guys like Rex keep the tradition. He's overdue, he's earned a chance."
Ryan is expected to get interest from the Lions and Rams as soon as he is available for an interview. He cannot interview until the week after the conference championship games if the Ravens advance to the Super Bowl, or after the Ravens are knocked out of the playoffs.
He interviewed for the head coaching jobs in Atlanta, Miami and Baltimore last year. When John Harbaugh was hired as Ravens head coach, he retained Ryan, and the Ravens again were among the league's defensive leaders.
"I think every coach in the NFL, every college, everywhere would want to be," Ryan said of head coaching aspirations. "I hope I get the opportunity. It's not the end-all if I don't, but I would like the opportunity. And, again, if you want to stop somebody, I've got a track record."
Proven guy
Count Philadelphia Eagles general manager Tom Heckert as a Spagnuolo fan.
Spagnuolo interviewed for the Broncos job Saturday. Heckert, just before the Eagles- Vikings wild-card game, said Spagnuolo would be a "great" head coach.
Heckert, who was with the Eagles during six of Spagnuolo's years as an assistant coach, also denied reports that he would go to any team, as a front office executive, that hired Spagnuolo.
"I haven't talked to 'Spags' since we played (the Giants)," Heckert said. "And I don't know where that came from. There's no truth to that. I think 'Spags' is a great coach. I know him very well and we're friends, but that's about it."
On what makes Spagnuolo a good coach, Heckert said, "First of all, he's a great defensive coach. He's proven that in New York. The players respect him. He's got a great combination where he's hard enough . . . on some guys but the players respect him and they play for him. They play hard."
When asked if he would listen to a team like the Broncos if they asked for permission to interview him, Heckert added, "I haven't even thought about it. . . . I think I have a great job. Really, I haven't even thought about it."
Garrett on tap this week
Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett will interview Tuesday in Denver.
At $3 million a year, Garrett is believed to be the highest-paid assistant coach in the league and had been in the plans to be the next head coach in Dallas at some point. But several personnel executives in the league said Sunday that their belief is Cowboys owner Jerry Jones will pursue Mike Shanahan to be the team's head coach either for 2009 or 2010.
Inside info
If the Broncos don't find, or can't get, the guy they want in these first round of interviews, the next group is expected to include the likes of Frazier, Ryan and Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz.
The Broncos do have some information on Schwartz and Ryan already. Broncos assistant general manager Brian Xanders, who has been with the Broncos' travel party during the weekend, was part of the Atlanta front office that interviewed Schwartz and Ryan for the Falcons' head coaching job last year.
Knowledge is power
Shanahan told the NFL Network in an interview that aired Sunday that if he does take a year off from coaching, he'll take computer courses and spend some time learning how to send e-mails and text messages.
Etc.
* Eagles cornerback Asante Samuel thinks highly of Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, who interviewed with the Broncos on Sunday.
"He'll make a hell of a head coach. He's smart," said Samuel, who played for the Patriots for five years before joining Philadelphia this season. "When I first was introduced to him, he was a defensive backs assistant. So he knows both sides of the ball real well."
* The Broncos have not as yet requested permission to speak with Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier. But Frazier has said he has intense interest in the the job and would be amenable to an interview.
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January 4, 2009
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BUCKSHOTT2006 writes:
"...whoever gets me will get a guy who is a real football coach and not a pretender."
Rex Ryan is a loudmouth bragger just like his daddy was. Years ago, Buddy Ryan stated that "you've got a winner here now" when he was hired by the Arizona Cardinals, and proceeded to put that team into the tank. Denver just got rid of one prima donna as head coach, so we don't need to hire another one, especially one who is so blatant about it.
January 4, 2009
8:45 p.m.
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avsfan71085 writes:
oOoOo ok put me as a Rex Ryan fan, knowing who he is now and seeing his comments show's his fire and tenacity, I think spag's would make a great coach but knowing this guy is dying to be and has so much passion and such a no nonsense attitude and he is just so cocky is such a great trait. So if now Spag's, Ryan seems very very interesting indeed.
January 4, 2009
9:42 p.m.
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Tedwin writes:
Defense wins, huh? Let's take a look at history for a second...
Where have the Ravens been after Trent Dilfer left and before they drafted Joe Flacco?
What happened to Pittsburgh when Slash was the QB and before Rottenburger was drafted?
What happened to the Giants before Manning was drafted?
Here's another head scratcher: Why wasn't Rex Ryan promoted to HC but instead, Harbaugh was brought in?
Sounds like a lot of hot air after defeating a team led by a pseudo-franchise QB who's won "Comeback Player of the Year" award TWICE.
Tooting your own horn makes you look pompous not desirable.
January 4, 2009
9:42 p.m.
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Spider writes:
I'm a little tenative in thinking Ryan would be such a good coach. Look at the talent he has. Look at brother Rob in chokeland the dud is terrible.
January 4, 2009
9:47 p.m.
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Swick writes:
No to Ryan, he can't be that much different than his paw. Plus he's a hamburger away from a heart attack. I'm trying to remember the last fat coach that won a SB and I just can't. He should stick to being a coordinator like his dad should've.
January 4, 2009
9:48 p.m.
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positivefreedom writes:
If Marvin Lewis becomes available - sign him. Buddy Jr. - not so sure...
January 4, 2009
9:51 p.m.
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Tedwin writes:
It's sad to see in this techno age, that our boy, Shanny doesn't even know how to text nor send email. That sure says alot. No wonder Shanny was out of touch. Hey Shanny, call John McCain, he needs help too!!!
January 4, 2009
10:09 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Spags is my 1st choice. Leslie Frazier has some good stats. He was 3rd in the NFL in D in 2007. I'm still liking Morris, as well. Be it as it may, about Ryan. He has a great record. Can't deny what he's done, year after year after year? Yes, he has Ray Lewis and some others, but he has a great system.
January 4, 2009
10:34 p.m.
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liesandpropaganda08 writes:
What are the chances Shanny is saying this because of negative emails and feedback sent by season ticket holders? Way out there, I know, but just a thought.
January 4, 2009
10:38 p.m.
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vadym_s writes:
Ryan seems little cooky, if to believe this article. Probably the words were taken out of context but Id give this guy a chanse. although i think Spags would be interested in broncos hc position... if not then id go with Ryan
January 4, 2009
10:44 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
Rex would fit in beautifully with the Raiders. He already has the mentallity.
I wonder if Fisher will take a swing at Rex in the middle of the field, you know, to kind of even the score with Buddy?
January 4, 2009
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MarcoPolo writes:
"Rex would fit in beautifully with the Raiders. He already has the mentallity."
Especially since he is the twin brother of Rob Ryan (D-Coordinator of the Raiders). Thanks, but no thanks.
January 4, 2009
11:08 p.m.
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liesandpropaganda08 writes:
Might be a pretty good fight Rocky. I'm going with Fisher. Stash power, baby. A little Chuck Norris, fist action coming from the stash. What I meant to say was "fist barrage" coming from the stash. Fisher just standing there, sipping through the straw of a drink with one of those bamboo umbrellas. Unless Ryan becomes our coach. In that case, the NATION will pluck the stash.
January 4, 2009
11:09 p.m.
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MrYeahBut writes:
I don't like the idea of Ryan as the Broncos' HC; however, the Ravens did have 4 INTs in today's game.
The Broncos had 6 INTs all season.
January 4, 2009
11:12 p.m.
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bronco4428 writes:
GIVE ME SPAGS HE HAS DONE ALOT MORE WITH ALOT LESS TALENT.....THAT LINEBACKING CORE IS NOT GOOD AND THE SECONDARY THERE IS 1 PLAYER IN WEBSTER OUT THERE....HIS SCHEMES AND BLITZES MAKE HIM AS A COACH......RYAN ...HAS BART SCOTT RAY LEWIS...SUGGS..REED..ROLLE...MCALLISTER IS HURT BUT HE WAS THERE.... GNATA ....THERE IS MONSTERS ON THAT DEFENSE....GIVE ME THE GUY WHO DOES MORE WITH LESS TALENT..
January 4, 2009
11:46 p.m.
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davistothehall writes:
bronco4428 I agree .especially since we have very little talent
January 5, 2009
12:46 a.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
davistothehall, very little talent... for now. It will improve.
January 5, 2009
1:06 a.m.
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Swick writes:
I wouldn't take Ryan from the Ravens, but I would take their GM. That's not happening, but I'd attribute their success to Ozzie more than any coordinator. He's been able to spot everything but a QB and it looks like his luck may have finally changed. I'm sure there's good reason why Ryan isn't one of Denver's candidates. I read McDaniels is at the top of Denver's list. Not so sure about that unless it's a package deal for him and Pioli. We need somebody who can spot D talent and develop it, not another offensive guru while we still have Bates and company. What do we know anyway? I'd just like to know who it's going to be. The suspense is killing me.
January 5, 2009
1:41 a.m.
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curoma writes:
You all see Trevor slappin' happy in Chad's face all game. Gee, I wonder if he coulda' helped our D a little this year. or last...
No Ryan's. Get Spagnuoulo (is that how its spelled?).
See if that guy, Shanahan wants to be our OC? I heard he was good.
January 5, 2009
2:08 a.m.
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KCBRONCOFAN writes:
Anybody but Marty or Elway will be fine. However, I would think a good GM should come first. Hire a new coach and then a GM seems backwards.
January 5, 2009
2:13 a.m.
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jugdish writes:
You heard it here first. Rick Dennison will get the head coaching job. This team needs to go 3-13 to get the draft picks to get to the next level. Bowlen knows that. Expect it Broncos fans.
January 5, 2009
5:35 a.m.
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bronco_fan_no_matter_how_painful writes:
jugdish...you are way out of touch on that comment; Bowlen will not allow that to happen, other owners in the league yes but not Bowlen. Dennison is a courtesy interview, he asked for it he got it...but no way is he head coaching material at this stage of his career...why the doom and gloom? you don't have to stink to get better...if that is the case then the 0-16 Lions should have a monster year coming up (sometime before the year 2050)
no, this team will sign Spagnuolo or McDaniels or someone else with high character and desire to win...expect that Denver is active in the free agent market, has nearly a 50% turnover on the personnel on this team and makes a run at 10-11 wins next season...why? because Pat Bowlen will insist upon that and will demand that from a new coach
January 5, 2009
7:56 a.m.
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The_KIMN_Chicken writes:
We have very little talent? What, we have Nate Webster, the man of the flying helmet, geez, you people are tough to please.
January 5, 2009
8:08 a.m.
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Broncody writes:
Ryan talking is unattractive, but he is right, he has the track record to back him up. The thing I think says the most though is that his players talk him up. That shows me his is not only and X's and O's guy but also a players coach. No to Garrett need a defensive guy. Spag Morris or Ryan.
January 5, 2009
9:13 a.m.
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jersey writes:
Bronco4428: I can't argue with you about my boys secondary. Been cringing for years whenever a pass is thrown. As for my LB's not being very good? You must be kidding and getting my guys confused with their stadium sharing brethren Jets! You don't lead the league in sacks last year and are right up there again this year minus our #1 guy in Usimora being out all year and the retirement of the monster Strahan with smoke and mirrors! On their best day your LB's couldn't carry my guys jockstrap! Ask the Patriots their opinion. Without a doubt Brady's opening day season ending injury was due to the accumulative affect from the pounding we gave him in the SB. I'll tell you the same thing I told Dynamicdave. "Spags" is an East Coast guy. My LB's are not that good? Hillarious!
January 5, 2009
9:18 a.m.
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wilson writes:
Swick,
Don't stress until after Wednesday, that's when the Broncs are scheduled to interview Raheem Morris. Pursuant to NFL rules, every team must interview at least one minority candidate before hiring a new head coach. It's called "the Rooney Rule," if you'd like to read more about it.
Hope that helps the stress level. I can't wait for the decision either.
January 5, 2009
9:39 a.m.
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jersey writes:
Wilson: And the problem is???
January 5, 2009
10:11 a.m.
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chill134 writes:
I don't think you can knock Ryan for having some confidence. Yes, he has an extremely talented D right now, but he seems to have a system that works. Whoever we decide on, it needs to be a defensive specialist. With Jay, Marshall, and Eddie the offense is set (once we get a healthy back). If the D can be fixed in the next 1-2 years I see no reason why we can't compete for the Super Bowl in 2-3 years.
January 5, 2009
10:13 a.m.
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wilson writes:
Jersey: don't know, what is the problem? I was only pointing out that a decision won't be made until after Wednesday, so there is no need to worry until then.
January 5, 2009
10:16 a.m.
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Broncofan_in_Boston writes:
jugdish, I'll throw up if they hire Dennison. THROW UP!!
That would signal exactly what you say... they will get a lot worse, before they get better. This team is already in rebuilding mode.
It would also signal that Bowlen isn't willing to spend money. Won't that become a problem with a team that is seriously lacking in talent?
Yeah, Ryan comes off as pretty cocky there. I wouldn't rule him out for it, but it doesn't lend to that warm and fuzzy feeling.
I think people are ruling out McDaniel because he's an offensive guy, but that doesn't mean he won't bring in a good d-coordinator to overhaul the defense. Of course, Shanny could have brought in good d-coordinator too.
I'm still hoping for Spags
January 5, 2009
10:31 a.m.
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El_Braino writes:
I would love to have a d-coordinator as coach (like Spags, Swartz, or someone else). But it's intriguing to me that Bowlen is looking at McDaniel. I would love to see a good Offensive coach come in with our talent here. Yes, we had a very good offensive year, but I didn't see any adjustments after halftimes and the same sorry screen play called like 3 or 4 times when we had no success running it. Why? Because the play calling was a joke. Watching the last game of the season, I was able to predict 4 out of 5 times, the very next play. And I sure am not a Defensive coordinator. So if I could guess the next plays, what was the other team doing?
January 5, 2009
10:45 a.m.
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jersey writes:
Wilson: I did something I pride myself on not doing and that was assuming your post was sarcastic. Being an African-American I'm guilty of being overly sensitive at times and make no apologies for that considering past history in fairness and I'll just leave it at that, yet, I do apologize to you for my assuming. Sarcasm is hard to detect and substanciate at times when written compared to verbal.
January 5, 2009
10:54 a.m.
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MrWright writes:
El Braino I agree our offense has been stale when it counts most!! In the red zone....Some guys just make it happen, McDaniel could be that guy...I am not sure but I know we will have a new defensive coach, hopefully a teacher with an aggressive scheme. Also the GM situation will be key in getting quality players on the D, we have a few ...Dummerville, Woodyard, Baily, Thomas, DJ, that seem to have some real verve but we do not have those impact players that really can change a game....though Woodyard I thought was our most focused intense player on the defense!! He is a player!! More like him and we are on our way!! My other concern would be the zone blocking scheme with Turner and Dennison, they have done such an amazing job, to lose then would really set our offense back, keep the running game intact....I bet McDaniels could make this offense sing!!! GO BRONCOS!!!!!!
January 5, 2009
11:06 a.m.
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wilson writes:
Jersey,
No problem. I can see how my post might have been interpreted that way. Not only is sarcasm difficult to detect, it's also difficult to clearly convey ideas in the amount of room given here. I definitely think Morris is a legit candidate. Young, bright and on the side of the ball we need to improve.
January 5, 2009
11:11 a.m.
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vieng111 writes:
I've been in Rex's corner for days now, and for a good cause. He's NOT in the first round of interviews is because he's in the playoffs. We must wait until Ravens lose.
I posted this earlier.
Spagnuolo - My vote is a maybe.
Everyone else - My vote is a NO!
Rex Ryan - My vote is a resounding YES!!! (Currently Def Cord w/Ravens)
Ryan is only 46 years old and has one hell of a defensive resume.
1994 - Def Line w/Cardinals (3rd in the NFL)
1998 - Def Cord w/Oklahoma (6th in the nation)
1999 - 2008 - Help Baltimore Ravens become one of the most feared defenses in the league. Baltimore has stayed in the top 5, in defense, since he was with them in '99.
Consistently top 2 or 3 in run, pass, and scores allowed.
What else can you ask for in a defensive minded coach?
He is the best defensive minded coach in the NFL.
Broncos have NOT talked to him because of the playoffs - But, he will jump to number 1 after the playoffs. Well, my number 1.
January 5, 2009
11:16 a.m.
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RustyWon writes:
We'll definitely need a talented offensive mind to help develop Cutler and the rest of the young group on that side of the ball, but our biggest need is to get a defense.
If that means having a defensive guy like Spagnuolo, Ryan, Frazier, or Schwartz come in, fine.
The McDaniels idea is intriguing too because that kind of thing has worked in the past, but defense is the real call to action for this team right now.
Bowlen knows that.
January 5, 2009
11:36 a.m.
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koloradokaos writes:
Spag or Death!! Like bronco4428 said, Spag knows what to do with very little talent and the Broncs gotta Baaad Defense man. Bad as is horrible, not bad as in good. Spag gomes from a team with winning ways and might even give the Great White Rhino a shot at tail back considering he's cut from the same cloth as Jacobs and is a better pass catcher then BJ. Hillis is way to talented and versatile to keep at FB and be limited to blocking for a soft little speedster. Hand him the rock 20 times and throw him the rock antoher 10. The only baaad thing about this regime change is that Shanny will probably take Bobby Turner, BT is the real mastermind behind the Denver's Omnipotent running game! Hopefully Shanny will take the strength and conditioning coach too, WTH happened there?! 7RB's and most of the D on IR?! Good riddence to the lota ya's. Let's get this bus righted and drive on!!
January 5, 2009
11:42 a.m.
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Colorado4ever writes:
It's VERY hard to tell about picking a HEAD COACH from the assistants pool.
Knowing how they'll go from X's and O's to basically being the figure head and FINAL decision maker when none of them have actually done is hard to tell but I'll bet Pat Bowlen gets his man and with the other teams out there, Denver has got to be JOB #1 right now!!!
Did anyone else watch Ed Reed play safety this week against Miami and wonder if Champ Bailey would not be a PERFECT fit for this roll. Playing in the middle of the field Champ would be able to ball-hawk on EVERY play instead of NEVER (accept when he was hurt this year) seeing any balls thrown his way. I hope to hear some talk of this- he and Ed Reed look to have identical body types and skill sets.
Can't wait to watch the Denver Broncos regain the Orange Crush mentality!!!
January 5, 2009
11:44 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
I don't think Ryan would be a good head coach here. He has Ed Reed and Ray Lewis, among others, on his defense. Denver doesn't have nearly the same talent on defense as the Ravens, and Spagnuolo has done the same or more with less talent on the Giants D. Spagnuolo also has the same "desire and passion" as Ryan, he just isn't coming out talking himself up like Ryan is.
McDaniels may be another good option outside of Spagnuolo. But Garrett....... seriously?? If he's being looked at, why'd Bowlen let Shanahan go? Garrett isn't half the coach Shanahan is and watching the Dallas offense this season wasn't impressive. The offense kept the Cowboys from doing anything after the regular season was over. I hope....... I really hope, he's not a serious candidate for Broncos head coach.
If Shanahan's hired to coach the Cowboys starting in 2009, I'm laying money in Vegas on the Cowboys winning the Super Bowl.
January 5, 2009
12:07 p.m.
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hbkreno writes:
has everbody forgot bill cower or marty s . with eather or both we might have chance at going to the big show they both are proven winners it sounds better than the rest of the canidates
January 5, 2009
12:08 p.m.
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GJrodburner writes:
Jersey guy, I don't think being an "East Coast Guy" is such a big deal if you have the brains and testicular-fortitude to do things away from "home". I don't think Spags needs the east coast swing to do his dance, he's his own man. This in no way suggests that he won't consider staying on the right coast, but I would say he can do it anywhere...he's already done it for NY, so where's the challenge in an encore for that? When you step away from that comfort zone of whatever home is, and you can still take on what is thrown at you, your character gets shown to you every single day. Don't know Spagnuolo from Adam, but he just has that look in his eye of being a man's man. No B.S., no un-necessary griping, just roll up those sleeves, bear down, and start kicking backside. He strikes me as an A/E kind of guy (A$$-holes and elbows) where ever he plies his given trade. He doesn't seem to be a guy tied to the east coast apron strings.
January 5, 2009
12:26 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
GJrodburner, I agree. It doesn't matter where you are in regards to coaching. Eastcoast, Westcoast, hell, Midland, Texas. What matters is the ideas he brings with him, the Defensive scheme. What also matters is the talent he brings aboard to play his scheme. Hey, I shot you an email, by the way. Talk with you later.
January 5, 2009
12:30 p.m.
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BroncosFan73 writes:
Hey guys, I know I'm jumping in the middle of this blog, but don't you think that the reason that Ryan has had success is because not the level of talent that he has, but rather the talent that he created through coaching? Maybe thats all that the Broncos talent needs is coaching. I just don't see any of our defensive players playing aggressive. Giving 10-12 yds to the WR's is absurd, even the picks we got this year were not neccessarily made by the players (ok, maybe Champs on Rivers was) and even that was a questionable call. I think Ryan or Spags would be a good choice.
January 5, 2009
12:34 p.m.
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jersey writes:
Wilson: You are absolutely right in the capability to convey ideas which are not always accepted in a respectful and intelligent manner when there is a disagreement of those ideas, often resulting in asinine and childish attacks by some who post. Obviously and refreshingly you travel in different circles. I standby what I've said before. Unless there is a drastic improvement in the evaluation of defensive talent as to the draft or aquiring by other means, the next coach, even if it was the resurrection of Lombardi himself, will face the same dilemma as the departing one. In not being an exact science the draft is tough enough as it is and any mistakes will be maximized.
January 5, 2009
12:38 p.m.
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chargertom writes:
He'll help a lot...especially if he brings Joe Flacco with him.
January 5, 2009
12:55 p.m.
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jersey writes:
Grodburner/dynamicdave:As for "Spags" being an East Coast guy I was only referring to in residency and not in concept. My Bad but I thought that was as translucent as Saran Wrap!
January 5, 2009
1:10 p.m.
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chargertom writes:
Sometimes you have to 'splain things...lol.
January 5, 2009
1:12 p.m.
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El_Braino writes:
I have somewhat mixed feelings about the level of talent we have on the defensive side of the ball. I don't necessarily think that we have bad talent, but I feel that the talent wasn't used correctly. I think Dummervil should be a situational player, instead of an "every down" player. I think Marcus Thomas was average, but still needs to learn how to explode. We all saw how our speed defense was supposed to attack when the backup linebackers were in the game. How did it not translate to the starters? What the Broncos need is a solid D-Coordinator that can instill discipline and a hard-work ethic to our players. Regardless of who the HC coach is, we need to hold both the offense and defense accountable for their play, in all quarters of the game.
January 5, 2009
1:50 p.m.
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GJrodburner writes:
It's all good Jersey. I, like a lot of the other bloggers, can take what is said and still get it wrong my friend. Must have had that damn see-through-wrap around my head cutting off the circulation again!
Now Jersey, I'll take a flyer on your input to my dilemma: here's what I see, and since you are on the right coast and probably get a tad more input as to what does go in and out with the Ravens and Rex Ryan, do you think R.R. could really do the job here in Denver better than Steve Spagnuolo?
Ryan could work here in Denver, but I see Spags doing more with less than what Ryan could do with less. Since you are a Big Blue Fan, I know given what has happened this year in the G-men's secondary and up on the line, you can really appreciate Spags talents that much more. Rex Ryan's pop could coach, no doubt about it. But being that the apple really never falls far from the tree, I'd hate to see what he wants to do with the "overall" team, especially in regards to offensive talent now with the team, and of course come the draft. I think that I'd rather have Spagnuolo in the proverbial foxhole rather than Rex Ryan.
Buddy sometimes confused and did condemn the guys on offense that he felt weren't "men" as he defined that concept. What Buddy saw as a finess approach to playing was in his eyes a soft and losing approach. You have to enngage all ways of playing, demanding a ton, but flexible in approach. I would hope that Rex can see well beyond a myopic point of view. In the quotes given by Rex Ryan, I hear a ton of his old-man coming out. I remember when Buddy went to Arizona, and he told me and the rest of the U.S. that Arizona just hired a "winner". Having panache is wonderful, bragging and not backing it up is woeful. Can Rex back up his estimation of his talent as a defensive "stop-'em" coach? We'd only know if and when he came here to Denver.
I'd hate for him to end up like his pop did, a little less luster on that "winners" mantle, or coaching like his dad did in Arizona. I know what Rex Ryan's skill set is as a DC, but I don't need the talk that goes with it. The Jim Brown type of player and guy I have come to respect totally. No spike, no dancing, just give the ref the ball and do it again, and again, and why not do it again!! Spags just comes off as that type of guy.
January 5, 2009
1:57 p.m.
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T1anda writes:
"Splain" Norv Turner Chargertom...Bwahaahaaha!
January 5, 2009
2:06 p.m.
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chargertom writes:
Okay...he's 3-1 in the playoffs with the Chargers.
Oh...you've probably FORGOTTEN what the playoffs are.
January 5, 2009
2:17 p.m.
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Swick writes:
Thanks Wilson. I'm trying to be patient because I know Bowlen doesn't need to rush into this. I think Morris is a very good candidate too, but I'm not sold just because he hasn't been a D-coordinator yet. A couple more years and he'll be ready. Can we even hire Spags until the Giants are done?
January 5, 2009
2:22 p.m.
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kerrdawg writes:
No matter who Bowlen hires, until Shanahan moves out of state, he will be the best coach in Colorado.
January 5, 2009
2:25 p.m.
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dsheil writes:
I dont think there is anyone who will be higher on the Broncos wish list than Spags, but he will also be number one on many teams wish list. It is already well documented that money will not be the determining factor in signing him, and he has a love for the east coast that may be hard to overcome. What it comes down to is not the Broncos choosing Spags, but Spags choosing the Broncos.
January 5, 2009
2:28 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Jersey, it's always good with you, my friend. And we don't wear Saran Wrap? We wear tin foil caps to block out the signals from the mind reading aliens from "Signs". I still think there is a very good chance of snagging Spags from your Giants, though, regardless of whether or not they win the SB. He wants to be a HC. Just like Ryan but without the boasting. What is your thoughts, Jersey, on McDaniels being Denver's HC? I know he was a LB coach before he became O coach.
January 5, 2009
2:28 p.m.
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Coffee_Mug writes:
Was Cowher never a consideration? Like Spags, he has won a championship. A defense minded coach(es) that would just ram the ball down your throat, but also the talent to throw it deep. Just a thought..
January 5, 2009
2:42 p.m.
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jersey writes:
Grodburner: I've been guilty myself as to misreads. Wilson will attest to that. I religiously keep my finger on the pulse via the NY Daily. "Spags" is definitely the hot commodity and most profiled right now and rightfully so. Anytime we can still have the scheme and execution that we do in having loss a Strahan and Usimora speaks volumes as to his ability in getting it done. Granted as with any coach too much credit can be given for the success and too much blame can be placed in the failure. It's the nature of the beast. Got to have the horses to not suffer a great decrease when replacing the starters who inevitably will go down. Great analogy as to Jim Brown and his non antics. You can throw in Larry Fitzgerald of AZ and the retired (far too soon) Barry Sanders as well just to name a couple of the many that I can cite. Refreshing!
January 5, 2009
3:05 p.m.
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laniersmith writes:
why not go after scott paoli i would think he would want to come here as he could have the same control as shanahan had. he then should pick the coach with the owners input but a coach should never be picked before a gm.
January 5, 2009
3:19 p.m.
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tomk writes:
gentlemen, I am an avid reader of this saga. I think PB is right to split the jobs of GM & HC. I don't see how anyone can do both as they are different skills. I believe that the HC and the GM need to trust one another and be able to work together as friends aiming collectively for the future glory of the Broncos. I have now to concentrate on the battle between Rangers & Celtic for the Scottish championship. Hopefully, I can let a few of you be persuaded that our kind of football is worth watching and that a draw between 2 committed teams is not a disaster.. I look forward to the next Broncos season and. by the way, xxx I have learned much more than you think over the last 20-odd years than you might imagine. Take care all of you.
January 5, 2009
3:30 p.m.
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Broncostimein09 writes:
I'm 26 and lived in maryland(near baltimore) my whole life. I've been a loyal Broncos fan since I can remember and even after the Ravens came to town. I get to see that Defense week after week though and yes the talent has alot to do with it but it can't all be the players. It's the scheme and drafts and free agent pick ups thats made them what they are as well as the coach. Rex ryan is the best candidate out there by far. We need defense and now. He'll take care of that. Alot of the Raven free agents would probably leave with him and come to Denver. That's a fantastic start. We do have some talented guys on defense and mix them with who who goes out and gets it's 100% better than what we've had.
January 5, 2009
3:39 p.m.
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GJrodburner writes:
Jersey: sometimes that idea of doing the right thing when playing pro football gets lost in translation out on the field of play. I think S.S. never would allow any of his players to lose sight of doing the right thing out on the field. One of the bloggers did point out that Spags will choose the Broncs, regardless of whether or not the Broncs choose him. That in the end will be the tale of the tape...how well can Pat Bowlen recruit Steve Spagnuolo? How does the over all stability of the team become viewed by Spags? Finally, how does the city and community of Denver come across to Steve Spagnuolo if and when Steve makes his final decision?
This may come across as silly, given the many daily papers and sports blogs, and fan-radio stations in the NJ-NYC mecca, but the Broncs still are the big dog in Denver. I would liken the Denver media atmosphere at times, in regards to the Broncos, akin to having the same fanatic following the Giants have; good or bad. Could or would that type of uber-fan base be a detriment to Steve saying yes? We'll see.
Along with Dynamicdave, hopefully our wearing of the aluminum headgear won't dissuade Steve. Of course the freakin' Suran-wrap gets a little itchy though.
January 5, 2009
3:41 p.m.
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dirkle writes:
Memo to Pat Bowlen - Don't even give this neanderthal an interview - COMPLETE waste of time.
January 5, 2009
3:48 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
chargertom, the Chargers are the ONLY team in the AFC West to not win a Super Bowl. Come back and talk it up when your team does..... if ever.
January 5, 2009
4:36 p.m.
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jersey writes:
grodburner. I appreciate your good sense of humor which I consider myself of possessing as well. So I've been told anyway. Life is far to short to take oneself so seriously that you have to be self-effacing 24/7. As for "Spags" being able to handle the fanatical fans and media and would it be a detriment in his decision making? Man, after being reared back there my first 29 years and having lived here for the past 28 years believe me believe me when I tell you it would be a walk in the park for him. If there is anybody living in that "Fishbowl" who can not only survive but thrive the constant slings and arrows, it's him. The annuls are full of former players and coaches who could not handle and eventually succumbed to the pressure. The motto is if you have a thin skin don't wade in! Objectively brutal at times, yet, knowledgable and fair always. No candy coating just tough love!
January 5, 2009
5:09 p.m.
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GJrodburner writes:
Thanks Jersey! I do hope that at the end of the day, when all candidates have been given their just due, that Spags takes the Denver job if offered. Everything that I have read, heard, or seen points towards Steve Spagnuolo as the best candidate. Having said all that, because we are not privy to the interviewing process, which I wished we could all be the fly on the wall when those interviews occur, it really is an educated guess hiring a new HC as much as it is drafting a first round pick. One of those occurs less frequently than the other, but at the same time, it needs the same fine-tooth comb consideration in order to maintain a franchise's credibility within the division, the conference, and the league.
January 5, 2009
5:13 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
Defense wins, and he knows how to coach it.
Choir singing: Hallelujah... Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Hallelujah!
That sums it up, all he left out was the word championships,I'm sure in order not to sound too arrogant. lol. Cancel all the interviews. We have to take him or Spagnuolo. Notice both teams are in the hunt for an appearance in Tampa,FL. on Feb. 1st.
January 5, 2009
8:41 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
chargertom, how many Geico commercials have you made???
January 6, 2009
8:42 a.m.
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BroncoDave82 writes:
The Thing I can say about Rex Ryan is, that if he is hired, there is a LB named Ray Lewis that is a free agent after the season ends!
January 6, 2009
8:46 a.m.
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BroncoDave82 writes:
Rocky...LOL
The Superbowl...So easy, the Chargers should be able to win one!!!
January 6, 2009
9:42 a.m.
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chargertom writes:
Yup...you've become rayduh fan, hopelessly clinging to the past of ol' horseface and his trophies of oh, so long ago.
January 6, 2009
11:37 a.m.
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The_Real_Deal writes:
I like the idea of Ryan or Spags but everyone is so obsessed with getting a defensive coach to fix the defense but that isn't the coach's job. It's the Head Coach's job to hire a defensive coordinator to do that. No one liked Shanahan having his fingers in everything and we need to make sure the new guy focuses on his job, and hires the right people to do the other things....like defense or in two years the offense will be sorely lacking too.
January 6, 2009
3:39 p.m.
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dsheil writes:
For those of you who keep asking about Bill Cowher... he recently extended his contract with CBS for a year, is considered a canditate for a position with the Browns, and recently purchased a home just outside Cleveland. Also, it is well documented that he is looking for a position where he will be both GM and head coach. I would be surprised if he is interested in the Broncos coaching job.