NFL free agency: Weak economic climate not conducive to big deals
By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published February 25, 2009 at 8:19 p.m.
Jabari Greer of the Buffalo Bills returns an interception for a touchdown against the St. Louis Rams on Sept. 28, 2008. Greer is a free agent.
What should the Broncos look for in free agency?
A record 14 players received the franchise tag from their teams, effectively taking them off the market but still leaving open the possibility of long-term deals.
| Pos. | Player | Team |
| S | Oshiomogho Atogwe | St. Louis |
| P | Michael Koenen | Atlanta |
| WR | Antonio Bryant | Tampa Bay |
| DE | Julius Peppers | Carolina |
| QB | Matt Cassel | New England |
| CB | Dunta Robinson | Houston |
| LB | Karlos Dansby | Arizona |
| TE | Bo Scaife | Tennessee |
| K | Shayne Graham | Cincinnati |
| RB | Darren Sproles | San Diego |
| LB | Leroy Hill | Seattle |
| OT | Max Starks | Pittsburgh |
| RB | Brandon Jacobs | N.Y. Giants |
| LB | Terrell Suggs | Baltimore |
Free agency should begin fast and furious, as usual, tonight.
But it might then become slow and painful to those players not involved in the initial signing spree.
"When all the crazy deals are getting done . . . before it was two or three weeks. Maybe it is a week now," Tennessee Titans general manager Mike Reinfeldt said. "I think the whole thing shuts down much quicker."
In part, blame the economy.
Teams still want to get better, and even with 14 players receiving the franchise tag, there's still plenty of talent to entice NFL owners to open their wallets.
But in a nation, and a league, awash in cutbacks, free agency might be no different.
"I don't see as many big-dollar deals happening. That's just my opinion," Houston Texans general manager Rick Smith said. "I think you'll see teams being a lot more conservative."
A looming uncapped year in 2010 and limitation on base salary hikes will make the contracts that are done more challenging to structure. From a cash-flow standpoint, clubs might try to defer money on some big-money deals.
"Teams want to win and are going to go out and get the guys they need to win," player agent Todd France said. "Economics can always be an excuse if they don't get guys or whatever. But I don't think you're going to get unanimity across the board, where 32 teams are going to think one way or the other."
There's more cap room available to teams, given the hefty $123 million spending limit and better long-range planning by teams.
"But that doesn't mean there will be more cash," said agent Peter Schaffer, who has several clients hitting the open market, including Eagles tackle Tra Thomas. "And how teams are going to spend their cash and cap, I think, is something everyone's waiting to see.
"Some teams will make big splashes . . . but a historical analysis of free agency shows the teams that win in free agency are the ones that not only sign the Albert Haynesworths, but the midlevel free agents that come in at a more reasonable price and are productive players."
Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian recently WAS quoted as saying the NFL historically HAS followed baseball's lead when it comes to the open market. That league's middle class of free agents largely HAS been left out in the cold.
Agent Mitch Frankel also views that as a potential indicator of the months ahead.
"There will be a steady week or two and then maybe a little bit of a lull, and then a lot of bottom fishing," he said.
We can rebuild them
Remember the opening to the old TV series The Six Million Dollar Man?
A battered Steve Austin, with parts missing everywhere, has virtually no hope of survival.
An expensive overhaul eventually turns him into a wrecking ball, strong and efficient.
The Broncos are trying to do the same with their team, especially the defense and all its missing parts.
And it's free agency that will begin pumping life into a situation that, while not exactly a bloody mess, is a considerable rebuild.
"We're after any player that's going to make us better, and that's going to be a very specific thing," Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said last week at the national scouting combine in Indianapolis.
"We don't want to bring in a bunch of players who don't really fit what we're going to do with them. . . . If we feel like they can help us improve in any area, in any phase, then we're going to be interested in them, whether that's through free agency or the draft."
Cap considerations won't be an issue on the open market. Cash on hand will be. But if McDaniels is to be believed, Denver won't be shy about spending owner Pat Bowlen's money in hopes of building a roster for the franchise's first playoff appearance since 2005.
The Broncos will be "as aggressive as we need to be," McDaniels said. "We're interested in a lot of things, and we have areas we can improve on. Like every team, we have holes to fill. And if there's a player who we feel will fill that, then we'll be aggressive in doing that."
The Broncos have had a spotty record in free agency in recent seasons. Signings such as Travis Henry, Sam Adams, Keary Colbert and Todd Sauerbrun weren't crippling individually but are symptoms of an ongoing malady of wasteful spending.
But McDaniels insisted history does not make it paramount the Broncos hit on players this time around.
"We can't control what's happened before. They've also done some good things in the past, too," McDaniels said. "It's a moving-forward process, and we're interested in players that are going to help us get better, and if they will, then that's a decision that will be made."
Five the Broncos will keep an eye on . . .
* DE Chris Canty, Dallas: If you're looking for statistical proof that Canty could be a necessary cog in Denver's rebuilt defense, you won't find it. But look closely at the numbers of the men playing alongside him. At Virginia, Daryl Blackstock led the Atlantic Coast Conference in sacks while playing next to Canty. In Dallas, Demarcus Ware paced the NFL with 20 sacks. And at 6-foot-7, 304 pounds, Canty holds the edge as a 3-4 end. But he's a self-professed "Bill Parcells guy," and Miami's looking.
* SS James Sanders, New England: The Broncos are nearly bereft at the safety position, and while Sanders isn't star caliber, he can deliver a hit, is only 25, and his familiarity with the Patriots' defensive philosophy is a big plus. Sanders doesn't figure to be a big-ticket item, either, with a glut of safeties on the open market. He's the type of middle-tier free agent the Broncos might try to acquire to restock the roster. But if the Broncos do decide to spend a little more cash, Miami's Yeremiah Bell makes sense as a rugged run stuffer.
* FS Sean Jones, Browns: It's a matter of taste among available defensive backs, given the numbers available. The New York Giants' James Butler, Oakland's Gibril Wilson and Tampa Bay's Jermaine Phillips have their merits, too. And the Broncos almost certainly will land one or maybe even two players at the position on the open market. Jones might have the most upside because he's 26 - as long as a knee problem that affected his 2008 season proves only minor. He has intercepted 14 passes during the past three seasons and has the versatility to play close to the line of scrimmage or as a ballhawking midfielder.
* ILB Bart Scott, Ravens: The Broncos will have a variety of options at outside linebacker, with Elvis Dumervil and Jarvis Moss shifting from the front four to outside linebacker if they can demonstrate an ability to drop in pass coverage, and D.J. Williams, Boss Bailey and Wesley Woodyard also in the mix. But the defense lacks an interior presence. With the draft deep at linebacker, inside linebacker might be the preferred route . But if the team is looking for a thumper to play between the tackles, Scott brings that physical presence, is well-versed in the 3-4 and has played under Mike Nolan in Baltimore.
* CB Jabari Greer, Bills: There will be interest at the position, whether it's Greer or free agents-to-be Ron Bartell (St. Louis) or Bryant McFadden (Pittsburgh). The Broncos need a solid cover corner given Dre Bly's release and the position is relatively thin in the draft except for a few options at the top. Greer has molded himself into a player and, at 27, is near his career prime. But the cost of any of the top corners will be steep, especially after Kelvin Hayden's $43.5 million contact with Indianapolis last week, especially since Denver already has a No. 1 option in Champ Bailey. But Greer has the mix of character and skills that McDaniels set as a prerequisite on the open market.
Five more the Broncos will watch . . .
* DE Igor Olshansky, Chargers: His longtime line coach, Wayne Nunnely, now is in Denver, though there are whispers he might not have been a huge fan of Olshansky's work ethic.
* NT Ronald Fields, 49ers: A potential stopgap option to go along with a drafted player at the position, given Haynesworth's prohibitive contract demands.
* DE Mike Wright, New England: Another familiar player that could help McDaniels in a transition year.
* DT Colin Cole, Green Bay: Along the lines of Fields in that he's big-bodied, doesn't have much of a resume but fills a need.
* CB Leigh Bodden, Detroit: It's hard to pick through the rubble of the Lions' winless season and find positives. But Bodden has skills and won't break the bank.
Big names who will land elsewhere . . .
* DT Albert Haynesworth, Tennessee: Can dominate a game from the middle of the line - and bust the bank, too.
* QB Kurt Warner, Arizona: Now that he has vowed to play, the Cardinals clearly are the front-runners for his services.
* WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Bengals: Has caught at least 90 passes for three years running and has 32 touchdowns in the past four.
* LB Ray Lewis, Baltimore: His longtime defensive coordinator, Rex Ryan, is coaching the Jets and the need is there.
* C Jeff Saturday, Indianapolis: He has helped organize calm up front for years while Peyton Manning flails and barks.
Hit-and-miss
Some of the Broncos' best free-agent signings during the past six years . . .
* Casey Wiegmann, center: Stabilized the line last season after Tom Nalen's knee went south.
* Daniel Graham, tight end: Has brought professionalism to the locker room in his return home.
* Jake Plummer, quarterback: Had limitations, but you can't argue with his record as a starter.
And some of the worst . . .
* Daryl Gardener, defensive tackle: More famous for his rants and IHOP runs than his play.
* Todd Sauerbrun, punter: Broncos knew they were taking a risk given his past - and got burned.
* Keary Colbert, receiver: Never could crack the rotation and was traded in September.
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February 25, 2009
8:45 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Free Agent wish list:
1.Greer CB Bills
2.Ward RB Giants
3.Phillips S Bucs
4.Davis MLB Browns
Draft wish list:
Trade down
1.Jackson DE
2.Chung S
2.Brace NT
3.To be continued after day one of draft.
February 25, 2009
9:01 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
Money..., get away
Get a good job with good pay and you're okay
Money..., it's a gas
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash
New car, caviar, four star day dream
Think I'll buy me a football team
February 25, 2009
9:11 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
I think T.B. just became a frontrunner for Haynesworth.
February 25, 2009
9:15 p.m.
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BroncoVault writes:
Why is Tank Johnson not on this list?!!! He could be a great nt for our new 3-4 D. I would also love to see a Ward signing.
To 6_is_the_new_7: Love your FA list. I don't really see the advantage in trading down in the draft though, particularly since many experts have us back in the mix to get B.J. Raji at 12. Maualuga was what many had us taking before, but he had a horrible senior bowl and combine. I liked his passion and hitting power, but I smell another Jarvis Moss here and if he was the best we could get at 12, sure trade down. But I think Raji has the potential to do for our D what Clady did for our O last year, and we should stay where we are if he's even a slight possibility.
February 25, 2009
9:31 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Yes, I've settled on Brace, who I think is very good, but if Raji is there I agree we take him. I've posted before that it would be really cool if the #1 NT fell to us just as Clady did last year. All the mocks had him going earlier and we would've had to settle for Williams. Glad that wasn't the case.
February 25, 2009
9:36 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Then it would also be cool if Chung fell to us in the 2nd, but I think he will go higher than 48.
February 25, 2009
9:56 p.m.
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Broncoflow writes:
If we trade one of our two fives and our seventh for another second...... Chung will be there. Who we find for our first will dictate.
February 25, 2009
10:01 p.m.
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juliodwight writes:
Shaun Rogers wants out of Cleveland, does anyone know if he can play in a 3-4?
February 25, 2009
10:29 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
RockyMts69, that's "Get a good job with MORE pay and you're ok." I know the Internet on one site says "good pay" but it's wrong. I have the album (CD). Just a friendly FYI.
Good article Lee. I like Sanders and Wright. They are familiar with McD. I also like McFadden. If they somehow get BJ in the draft, so be it. Then trade around, wheel and deal for Laurainitis. Then get Chung.
February 25, 2009
10:32 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Rogers won't come cheap.
February 25, 2009
10:50 p.m.
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BroncoVault writes:
I agree with broncoflow that we should trade some of our lower picks for another 2nd rounder. Chung would rock. We need quality in our D not quantity. Also the more I think about it the more I salivate at the thought of Ward in our offense. I know I'm nuts to be thinking O right now, but I have the feeling he could put us over the edge.
February 25, 2009
10:52 p.m.
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Swick writes:
Cleveland ran a 3-4. Rogers played NT and did very well with 4.5 sacks on a bad D. He's supposed to count 10M against the cap this year. He'd be worth it if the number could be reduced somehow(closer to 7M or 8M). He'd be worth our 1st rounder if we could update his contract. 350lbs in the middle would be a great start.
February 25, 2009
10:57 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
The album Dave...or the 8-track? LOL!
February 26, 2009
12:05 a.m.
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HuskerRed writes:
Swick
Worth our first rounder? For a guy with questionable work ethic? Get real...I wouldn't give up a 3rd rounder for him...let alone a 1st...
February 26, 2009
12:43 a.m.
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Broncos_GM writes:
We need to trade the 12th pick for a late 1st & early 2nd. We have multiple holes to fill on D.
I love Chung, Brace, & Jackson too! Delmas at FS would also be great. Plus get another late round NT to go with Brace.
Rogers did well in Clevelands 3-4, but we need youth & quanity instead of the old Broncos BUST FAs. The article was really good, but didn't mention Gabe Watson as possible NT. He played in a 3-4 & is a RFA (4th round compensation). I was also hoping for Channing Crowder (young ILB) but he just resigned with the Dolphins. We need youth and talent with our FA picks.
February 26, 2009
12:55 a.m.
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Swick writes:
Maybe not a first rounder, but I don't know many 350 pound men with great work ethic. That's why they're so damn fat. He's been productive and that's the important thing. Not many NTs out there so we have to find a good one somehow. Maybe Raji will fall or Brace could pan out. Who knows?
February 26, 2009
1:01 a.m.
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Swick writes:
And Rogers isn't young, but he's not too old either. Dlinemen play into their mid 30s plenty of the time. He doesn't rely on speed off the edge and probably gets off the field a lot. He's 29 I think.
February 26, 2009
3:49 a.m.
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gman4013 writes:
My Broncos wish list:
Guys who can cover.
Guys who can hit.
Guys who can scare the piss out of a QB on a pass rush.
and most in importantly, and Broncos please listen -
Guys who can tackle without getting drug a couple of more yards.
Oh yeah, and a bionic running back that won't get hurt.
That oughta get us back to the Superbowl, or somewhere close.
February 26, 2009
4:59 a.m.
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jmgswarman writes:
OH MY GOD!!! LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT IS SOMEONE TELLING ME SERIOUSLY THAT SHAUN ROGERS WANTS OUT OF CLEVELAND? HE IS A1 PERFECT. PLEASE TELL ME THERE IS SOME TRUTH TO THIS...
THAT IS WHO THEY SHOULD SIGN. NO QUESTION CONVERSATION OVER. PLEASE TELL ME THAT IS NOT BS.
February 26, 2009
6:47 a.m.
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Littleboyblue writes:
Just get D Linemen...we must win at the line of scrimmage. We've been too small and non-athletic up front for over a decade now. We need big athletic guys.
February 26, 2009
7:26 a.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Broncoflow writes:
If we trade one of our two fives and our seventh for another second......
This doesnn't work. I wish people would would stop throwing out trade scenarios without doing the research to see if it works out. I gave a site with a draft pick value chart. Even if you add up our 4th, two 5ths, 6th and two 7ths it only gets us an extra 3rd. When you go around telling people we can get an extra 2nd, it gets their hopes up that it can happen. The only way we can get an EXTRA 2nd is to trade a player of value with picks or future picks.
February 26, 2009
7:53 a.m.
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TXBRONC writes:
Great article Lee but I have one question. How is it that the free agent signing of Keary Colbert and Todd Sauerbrun can be considered wasteful but on the other hand they can be consider of the best signings over the past six years?
February 26, 2009
7:58 a.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
I say draft Bobby Boucher... you can never go wrong with a Mud Dawg!
February 26, 2009
7:59 a.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Or throw our 3rd in on the deal.
February 26, 2009
9:11 a.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
6_is_the_new_7,
I couldnt agree with you more. I keep reading all these draft trade scenarios, but no one ever comes up with legit ones, nor does the research required that make a correct statement. I offered up this idea on the blog last night, dont know if you caught wind of it.
As it stands right now I think the best bet would be to trade our #12 for a later 1st rounder and a second, 2nd rounder. If Sanchez or Stafford are available for whatever reason at #12 I think we would have a fairly good chance at trading with the Bucs. We could send our #12(Sanchez/Stafford) to the Bucs for there #19 and #50. Our #12 has a value in itself of 1200 and the Bucs #19 and #50 have a value together of 1275, not to mention they would leap frog over the Jets(also need a QB) and be able to get the QB that they desperately could use. If this option doesnt work we may be able to trade our #12 to the Eagles for there #21 and #53. The value of the Eagles two picks is equal to 1170 with our #12 again being a value of 1200. The only problem I see with this is that I cannot think of someone they desperately need enough to trade down from #21 to #12. Who knows really though it will all be decided on draft day I am sure.
Broncos
12 - 1200
Eagles
21 - 800
53 - 370
1170
Bucs
19 - 875
50 - 400
1275
February 26, 2009
9:13 a.m.
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BroncoJones writes:
I'm for trading our #12 in the first round to acquire a late first round and another second or even third. We simply need too many players. It just seems to fit with the theme. You know, new staff, new defense, new players. It would be cool if we could trade down and still get Laurinaitus.
The staff seems ready to go for defensive secondary help big time. Tonight is the night!
Go Broncos!
February 26, 2009
9:20 a.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
BroncoJones,
I think with my trade option above we could easily still get Lauranaitis at #19 and then we would still have our own #48 and Tampas #50. We could potentially even do some more wheeling and dealing from there, but I dont have time to look into all that right now, lol.
February 26, 2009
9:28 a.m.
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Allseasonsfan writes:
TXBRONC - Huh? You did not read the article correctly. Lee never wrote that Colbert and Sauerbrun were considered to be "best signings".
Folks, you don't trade the 12th pick if a stud is available there. It would be like having Cutler sitting there and then trading the pick. If you want to get deep in the draft, trade Champ for a 1 and a 2. I don't recommend it. He is the only guy on the team right now who can tackle.
Ward is good, but I really like a hard nose guy like Peyton Hillis. Man that guy does not give up.
February 26, 2009
9:30 a.m.
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jobain_99 writes:
Rogers wants out after his first year of a 6 year deal. He is going count around 10 mil against the cap but I'm sure can be restructured in a way to make it a tad less. One analyst said the best they could probably get is a 3rd rounder but said Cleveland wouldn't let him go for just that and will make him stay.
February 26, 2009
9:30 a.m.
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mmjader writes:
Right on guys! Get ready......we are going to have some things to be excited about in the next few days. I love this time of the year. I don't know about the rest of you, but I had seriously lost hope these last few years when FA would begin. It feels good to be excited again. Let's keep our fingers crossed that we pick up some good help. I love this team!
February 26, 2009
9:34 a.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
Allseasonsfan,
What you are missing is that the difference in skill between the #12 and #19 are not considerably different. We need quantity really bad and dropping only 7 spots to pick up an additional pick in the 2nd round would be extremely beneficial.
February 26, 2009
9:46 a.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
royalmarshalls
Yeah, I saw your figures. You even spelled it out for them. Looks good. Thing is everyone keeps saying we need another 2nd, which we do. There is so much more value there. Heck, I'm even allright with trading out of the first round altogether to get more 2nds and 3rds. DD keeps talking about trading our extra 7th like it's worth a lot of value, but it's not.
February 26, 2009
9:47 a.m.
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If_U_Aint_1st_Youre_Last writes:
Royal --
I think you bring up some excellent ideas. I think that ideally, the broncos should move down.
In a perfect world --
1. Wait until draft day.
a.) If Raji is available at 12, take him.
b.) If Sanchez/Stafford starts to fall, trade back in the 1st with the Bucs/Bears/Vikings. Not sure exactly what how it would work out (too lazy to look up a draft chart), but I'm thinking our 1st (& maybe a 6th) for their 1st and second.
2.Use our 1st on Malaluaga. Apparently he's slipping to the back of the 1st (poor Combine). This is great because I think he's a beast and I'd be happy with him at 12, but you have to be aware of league perception. If not him, I'd opt for a OLB -- English maybe.
3. Package the 2nd just acquired with another pick (5th perhaps) to move up to the 1st 10 picks of the 2nd and pick Delmas or Chung.
4. Use the other 2nd rounder on the best available player. Everyone knows the usual suspects -- Brace, Alphonso Smith, Hood, Sean Smith...etc
Won't happen but a guy can dream, right?
February 26, 2009
9:51 a.m.
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If_U_Aint_1st_Youre_Last writes:
Oh I forgot to mention..I think the Bears and Bucs are realistic trading partners. Both have obvious needs to add QBs.
The Eagles have a reputation for needing to "win" every trade. Example, see Shepard. Hasn't been traded because the price is too high.
The Vikes might not want to draft a QB as their built for now, but I was trying to give them a little credit. Tavaris & Sage? Really?
February 26, 2009
9:51 a.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Thing is you need a willing trade partener. Phily works. Bucs, I beleive, are going to hit FA hard. N.E. has traded down effectively many times in the draft. Hope McD learned how to do that!
February 26, 2009
9:59 a.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
If_U_Aint_1st_Youre_Last
That's it man. Glad to have you aboard. It can work. Trick is not to get to sold on one guy. I would love to have Rey also, but he may not be there when it gets to where we trade down to. There's a lot of depth defensively though. We will get a least 3 quality defensive guys instead of 2.
February 26, 2009
10 a.m.
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Boulderbronco4life writes:
Raji is 40-45% Fat I would pass....he got pushed around in the Senior Bowl.
Priorities.
1) Big nasty physical DT (get a guy that's 300 or more with little fat then have him gain 40 lbs) needs to push two linemen backwards on every play.
2) 2 DE's that can eat two O line men and still push the pile backwards.
3) DB's we need two good ones
4) 2 OLB's that can rush and cover the pass, Not sure Moss can do it but I believe Dummervile will be a good fit due to his speed and strength.
5) MLB Larsen looked really good last year, wouldn't surprise me to see him start, if not lets get a proven guy in there.
6) Safeties we need two at least, need to be fast enough to make a difference in the passing game and must be able to make open field tackles consistently.
February 26, 2009
10:09 a.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Oh and by the way, many times teams trade back a spot or two not ten. N.O. and Houston may want someone not named Rey at 12. However, if we don't take him at 12, Wash. may at 13.
February 26, 2009
10:15 a.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
If_U_Aint_1st_Youre_Last,
I dont have time to go and view the value chart again, but our second as it stands now is worth 420. I am not sure what selections we have in the 5th but those picks are valued anywhere between 43 - 27. The highest pick in the 2nd is worth 580, with the 8th pick in the second, 40th overall is valued at 500, so I dont think we would be able to couple our 2nd with a 5th to move up more than a few spots in the 2nd. I like your idea there I just dont think it would work, however it all depends on what they can work out. I think that the Bucs are our best trade partners if Stafford or Sanchez fall because of the QB situation there.
February 26, 2009
10:22 a.m.
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dehag24 writes:
I'm excited guys....the next few days are going to be fun, can't wait to get on here and talk about the moves we make!!!!
February 26, 2009
10:23 a.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
6_is_the_new_7,
I think Dave was talking about trading our 5th this year and future of an additional 2nd. However I do not know if that would work either because of the small value in 5th rounders as I spelled out in my last post, around 43-27 depending on your spot. I agree, I wouldnt be completely opposed to moving out of the 1st all together, but I think we need to at least stay in the middle of the 1st. I think we could trade back multiple times and pick up a additional 2nd and then maybe an additional 3rd. I might be able to come up with some scenarios, but I dont want to go bury myself in football trades before FA, lol!
February 26, 2009
10:25 a.m.
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If_U_Aint_1st_Youre_Last writes:
Thanks 6. You're definitely an informed fan. I'm hoping McDaniels and the new group have a better idea of the pulse of the league. My point with Rey is I'd have no objection to picking him at 12, but if the general consensus is he's end of first round material, drop back and pick him at the end of the 1st round. Used to kill me when Denver would pick a guy and the response was, "He would have been there a round later."
I get what you're saying though. To me, the plan should be to target 3 or 4 guys that fit and see where they go on Dday.
It does seem like we're first in line compared to the other teams that have similar needs. Good is we stay put, bad if we drop back..
February 26, 2009
10:38 a.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
That's correct. If we stay put it means we got our guy we targeted.
Not right on the first in line part though. G.B. is before us , are switching to 3-4, and have many of the same needs.
February 26, 2009
10:49 a.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Biggest thing is Shanahan's gone. He would get stuck on one guy(Moss) in the first, then if he didn't think he was going to make it to us he'd trade up, giving away later picks. Everyone is so pleased with last year's picks. He didn't trade up. He sat and waited for Clady to fall to us and he did. Therefore, we got good picks day 2 that weren't traded away.
February 26, 2009
11:23 a.m.
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Allseasonsfan writes:
royalmarshalls - i just compared #12 and #19 picks from 2000 to present. I rated each player 1 - 5 and then averaged the number. The 19th selection rated better. There were 2 zeros in the 12th pick catagory though. If we just rate these draft picks by Broncos. Our 12th pick Ryan Clady.... our 19th pick Aslie Lehlie. Hmmmm.....
What does this all mean.....I have too much time on my hands.
February 26, 2009
11:30 a.m.
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gman4013 writes:
I think a lot of people here on focused on what they'll do on draft day. But I'm kind of interested at what this new regime is looking at FA-wise to fill needs. I think a lot of what they do in the next couple of days will shape their direction going into the draft. If they have a certain type of player they're looking at for that #12 pick, but find the same thing on the market, that definately opens the door up for a trade. But I do think a lot of what happens depends on who they actually have in mind in that war room either on the market or in the draft. Basically EVERY need doesn't need to be filled at the draft.
February 26, 2009
11:31 a.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
Allseasonsfan,
It means anything can happen and anything can change from year to year and from 12-19. LOL! There is no real way to determine if the 12th or the 19th is a better selection to have. However, when you weigh in the fact that you will be getting an additional 2nd rounder along with the fact that the players the "experts" have being taken from 12-20, its a better option to trade down.
February 26, 2009
12:12 p.m.
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myerda00 writes:
I liked what McDaniels said, "We can't control what's happened before. It's a moving-forward process, and we're interested in players that are going to help us get better, and if they will, then that's a decision that will be made." Also he said "Cap considerations won't be an issue on the open market. Cash on hand will be." meaning that salaries are no problem but bonus' are.
Lee listed some interesting names but most want their big payday now. And many times that means up front signing bonus, which is cash. Mr. Bowlen does not have deep cash pockets today due to previous salaries to ex-coaches.
I wonder if Josh/Brian/Keith have already setup offers to targeted players or if they are going to wait for the dust to clear then jump in about March 4-10?
February 26, 2009
12:14 p.m.
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myerda00 writes:
I forgot to add, RMN last edition is Friday.
It has been fun blogging with all of you.
I can hear most of you now, NO NO not the DP.
February 26, 2009
12:26 p.m.
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OrangeCrusher writes:
There is a blog over at the official Bronco site. It's not nearly as good to read as you guys but, if the RMN folds I guess I'll try blogging there? The DP blog is full of fruit cakes.
February 26, 2009
12:31 p.m.
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BigRedCelt writes:
6itn7---I like your ideas for the most part. I'd love to see them add picks, but think that should be done by trading a few of naxt years high picks for additional picks this season. I'm not usually a fan of that idea. However, with the amount of D talent to be had this draft and our teams obvious needs I say sacrifice next years draft for this season. Heck if they start 6 rookies this season they couldn't poosibly be any worse that the last two years. Plus, they are a year ahead of the curve in experience.
I think Greer will be kept by the Bills and that price tag may be a bit much. Would love to see McFadden though. I've been pretty dead set against spending money or draft picks to address the RB situation BUT I do like Ward ALOT. He and Torain behind Hillis would be a brutal combination.
I don't know where the idea of Maualuga having a "horible" senior bowl and combine comes from. I watched the senior bowl practices and the game a couple times and don't see anything "horible". He tweaked an hammy in the 40. On the field he is a beast with a go, go motor. The only knocks on this guy are "overpursuit" correctable and "goes for the "big hit" correctable. This beast cant be passed up if he's there. Love Chung and Brace. These would be great picks. I also like Miola(sp) from USC. He looked great at the combine and think he would be an excellent DE in the 3-4 next to Brace and maybe Thomas on the other side.
February 26, 2009
12:35 p.m.
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BigRedCelt writes:
So with the close of the Rocky where is this group going?
February 26, 2009
12:47 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
Hey Bronco Bloggers...with the Rocky riding off into the sunset, I want to say this has been one of the best sites EVER! I really enjoy reading ALL of your thoughts and opinions. With out a doubt, the Broncos by far have the best fans in the WORLD!!!
From DD, Mydera, 6, royalmarshall, DrC, and the list goes on, (and even Rutabaga that guy is hilarious!!!) All of you guys are AWESOME!!!
If I can make a suggestion, let's all come to an agreement and let's pick another blog where all of us can hook up! I've been to a few other sites and really don't care for the format (or the fans), and please, let's avoid the Post!
And besides...we have unfinished business in Vegas baby! :-)
February 26, 2009
12:59 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
I agree. We need to find somewhere else before Fri.
February 26, 2009
1:12 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
Look at it from this point of view...
If all us(6_is_the_new_7, RockyMts69, BigRedCelt, OrangeCrusher, myerda00, dehag24, Dynamicdave, Swick, Royal19, DrChris, BroncoBrad, baylinorcrush, FTR, Cutler6, bronco_fan_no_matter_how_painful, BroncoFanInBoston, discer, jmgswarman, Broncody, and even some of the new guys) head over the Denver Post we can take it over!! LOL! Thats about 20 of us that are regulars here that also know everyone on this list and have probably had a few debates and even arguments, lol.
Who is in? That group listed above could take it over.
February 26, 2009
1:20 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
"...come ridin' into town, whoopin' and a wompin...!"
sort of gangsta don't ya think royalmarshall? LOL!!!
I'm in if everyone else is...it would be sort of fun. Kind of like tossing coffee on a fine painting that was'nt that great to begin with...! :)
February 26, 2009
1:21 p.m.
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Bigg_Nuggets writes:
I didn't get a mention is RockyMts' post, but I have been away for a while so I will s_ck (they won't let me say s_ck)it up. I would love to know where this conversation can be continued in the future as well. Finally, I have been out of the loop, so could someone fill me in on why there is never any conversation about bringing in Dawkins? I realize he is older, but safeties tend to last longer, and then it would be easier to draft a prospect or even groom Woodyard. And I haven't even started talking about the guy's heart. Is he off the market, and I don't know? Discuss.
February 26, 2009
1:31 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Once in awhile I write stories on a site called bleacherreport.com Another writer invited me to a site he just opened called broncosbanter. I'll go see what the format is like. I know what you mean RockyMts69, I've been to other sites and there is no camaraderie like we have here. Plus many of them list latest comment on top, so you have to go way to the bottom first and go backwards.
February 26, 2009
1:35 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
RockyMts69,
Oh yes it is. LOL! As soon as we find out how many are willing to make the switch I will start making post on the DP warning the negative posters of a "crew" thats as bad a$$ as they have ever seen coming over from the RMN to take over the DP blog. We gotta get a good name though, lol.
Bigg_Nuggest,
I remember you man, I think we would all be in agreement that you need to come also. :)
February 26, 2009
1:44 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
I will go to the Post only because I have no choice. I'll miss the RMN. For those who know me, you can reach me via email at dynamicdave8 at the yahoo. We can discuss privately about the Broncos blog party. I sure don't want a lot of those clowns at the Post showing up with their negative attitudes and all. Just leave your handle in the Subject line. That way I know who you are. The RMN may be closing but the party will go on. The Broncos and the fans will endure. Good luck to all the employees at the RMN. I hope everybody lands on their feet and does well.
February 26, 2009
1:47 p.m.
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jobain_99 writes:
I haven't commented much until lately, but have been a long time reader of the comments here. Wherever you end up going to, drop a line on the DP comments so i know where to find you guys. Unless you decide before the RMN goes off into the sunset.
February 26, 2009
1:52 p.m.
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Bigg_Nuggets writes:
Getting back to Dawkins...................................anyone?
February 26, 2009
1:55 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Yeah, I guess the Post it is. I've always hated that paper. I did telemarketing trying to sell it when I lived in Denver. I quit after 3 hours. Didn't sell a one. The bloggers on there are idiots. At least I saw that they now have a button to push which lists newer posts last. We'll have to have our user names the same as here so we can figure out who's who.
February 26, 2009
1:57 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Anyone hear about Wison signing with Miami?
February 26, 2009
1:58 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
Bigg_Nuggets,
We did converse about him, but I think the consensus was that he was older and might require too large of a salary. If he could be had at a lower price for a smaller amount of years, I was personally all for him for his leadership.
6_is_the_new_7,
Yes, good idea, we need to keep the same handles if possible so everyone knows eachother. See you over there.
February 26, 2009
1:59 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
royalmarshalls, trading a 5th and a future or trading a current player and a 5th may work (that's what I mentioned yeasterday) in order to get another 2nd. We'll soon all know shortly. FA is tomorrow. Let the games begin.
February 26, 2009
2:05 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
I am all signed up over there guys, see you soon. I have the same handle also.
February 26, 2009
2:09 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
I'm staying here for now. Just checked, it's true Miami re-signed Crowder and signed Gabril Wilson to 5 yr. deal.
February 26, 2009
2:18 p.m.
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Crushinator writes:
I have been reading these blogs for sometime and I am a passionate Bronco fan. First time blogger due to the RMN closing and don't want to miss your conversations, I may even join in. There are some very smart bloggers here who do their homework. Hate the trolls but where are you going to continue this.....is the DP our only option?
February 26, 2009
2:22 p.m.
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dehag24 writes:
Hey guys I think we should get our own blog going..."real bronco fans only" anyway if you guys make a decision on this let me know dehag24@rushmore.com ....thanks
February 26, 2009
2:25 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
The other day we were all talking about a deep threat option to team with Marshall and Royal, so what about Devery Henderson? I just noticed he is a FA and he ran a 4.38 in the combine before he came out in 2004 and I have seen plenty of him in games last year busting long homerun type catches and I think he could be that guy that would open up our offence. He had catches last year of 84, 81, 64, 54, 52, & 51. Marshalls longest all of last year was 47 yards and Royal had the one 93 yarder against the Browns and had a 59 yarder against the Jets, but everything else was under 30 for him. Henderson was also more or less #3 behind Colston and Moore, so what does everything think about him?
February 26, 2009
2:29 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
dehag,
How do you suppose we start one? I would be there in a second.
February 26, 2009
2:34 p.m.
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dehag24 writes:
Royal check this out see if it works...dbtruefans@blogspot,com
I tried don't know if it worked tho...let me know
February 26, 2009
2:41 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
no it didnt
February 26, 2009
2:42 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
right on royal...I love it!!! Some of the bloggers on the DP remind me of Bobby Boucher! Haha!
"B,b,b,b, but momma says that foosball is the devil!"
If we go over to the DP, are we all going to wear our orange jersey's? :)
February 26, 2009
2:42 p.m.
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Rutabaga writes:
Oh no... Where am I going to go. This is the best place. I got so sad hearing about the RMN closing I at 6 Big Macs, three large fries and drank two gigantic Cokes. Now I feel double sick. You all are the best people here, the smartest Bronco bloggers in town...
I hope the people who work for the paper find good jobs. I wish them well and all of you too. This is a sad day for the Rocky Mountain Empire...
February 26, 2009
2:44 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
dehag24
Tried it. It didn't work.
February 26, 2009
2:48 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
royalmarshalls
I think Henderson is a good option. Doesn't do much other than catch an occasional deep ball though. Neither did Leslie when he was here.
February 26, 2009
2:52 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Try this site. Give an opinion. I know the guy who runs it . He said he would love to set up a discussion board for us. http://broncosbanter.com/
February 26, 2009
2:52 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
Rockymts69,
HAHAHAHAH! Yes, we will.
February 26, 2009
2:54 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
It's good to hear from you Rutabaga!!!
February 26, 2009
3:02 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Does anyone else play the Sports Challenge game? Is that closing down too? What about the prizes I'm entered in to win?
February 26, 2009
3:02 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
6_is_the_new_7,
I am in to go to that website if we all can.
I like Henderson, I think he would be much better than Lelie. I dont think he has the attitude problem.
February 26, 2009
3:03 p.m.
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dehag24 writes:
http://dbtruefans.blogspot.com
Maybe this time... I don't know how all this stuff works but I will get it figured out
give it another try guys
February 26, 2009
3:10 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
dehag,
it worked this time how do i sign up and post?
February 26, 2009
3:16 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Couldn't comment.
February 26, 2009
3:26 p.m.
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Royal19 writes:
royalmarshalls, Love the Henderson idea, he'd be perfect. Still have hope for C. Jackson, but really like Henderson.
February 26, 2009
3:28 p.m.
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nmbronco1 writes:
Definitely bummed about the close of the RMN - hopefully it will somehow reopen with much of the same writing staff soon.
The RMN has been a part of my life for over 30 years now, and it's online edition for at least 12 of those years. It's gonna be hard to get my Denver sports teams fix now as I cannot stand the Denver Post.
I did find the http://dbtruefans.blogspot.com/ and it seems to work. Will sign up later on this evening (still at work running my construction company).
Definitely still into the proposed LV Bronco fan gathering. Maybe someone is compiling e-mail addresses for this; mine is 1free1taos@gmail.com .
Despite my disagreements with some of the RMN writers (mainly - Lincicome!), I've really appreciated this paper and it's staff. Best of luck to all of you; hopefully, the Rocky Mountain News can come back alive sometime soon!
February 26, 2009
3:32 p.m.
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OrangeCrusher writes:
If we all go to a private blog we wont get any trolls to beat up on? I kinda like it once in a while, haha. Sorry.
I signed up with the DP but I'll keep coming here until it's not here anymore. I'll sure miss the RMN.
February 26, 2009
3:33 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
Royal19,
Hey, I dont see why we couldnt have both Henderson and Chad to be honest. Let them fight over the third spot behind Marshall and Royal, with Stokley in the slot. I dont think he is going to come with any serious price tag and he is used to being number 3 already, plus if Stokley retires soon and Henderson plays well, we could then have the potential to move Royal too the slot and have all three. I am liking the idea of him more and more now that I am talking about it, LOL!
February 26, 2009
3:44 p.m.
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Royal19 writes:
royalmarshalls, exactly, the competition would be good. We could use the depth anyway.
February 26, 2009
3:44 p.m.
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dehag24 writes:
hey guys Dave is able to get on and comment, if you can't send me your e-mail and I will send out an invite to you, that might be the key....I don't know
February 26, 2009
3:45 p.m.
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bronco_fan_no_matter_how_painful writes:
guys - let's keep working on it 'cuz I will truly miss blogging with all of you on this site...man I'm bummin!!!
I will head over to the Post as well, but kicking and screaming all the way...royalmarshalls - you are correct man, we can TAKE THAT SITE OVER!!!
keep working on the separate blog site too guys, we need to make that happen....I bet that the blogs on here will be active for another couple days
February 26, 2009
3:46 p.m.
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bronco_fan_no_matter_how_painful writes:
dehag24 - count me in wyo94pep@yahoo.com
what is the link again that worked?
February 26, 2009
3:49 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
OrangeCrusher, I signed up at dehag24 site. I don't miss the trolls. They are counter productive and as good as I am at bashing the negative people, I would never get anything productive out. I've read the rants on the post. That's why I've only posted 18 times since 05. How about BroncosCountry? There are so many but I'll try dehags before I go to the Post. If it comes down to not enough people contributing to http://dbtruefans.blogspot.com then I'll be forced to the Post, although if it turns out negative, I will just stop posting altogether.
February 26, 2009
3:53 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Finally. Gott 'er done dehag. I had a little pestilence, but I'm in.
February 26, 2009
4:07 p.m.
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dehag24 writes:
great 6-7 Hope we can get the rest of the "bunch" to get signed in and then if you have to have a "troll" fix head over to the DP and do some bashing...
February 26, 2009
4:07 p.m.
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FriendlyFire writes:
it will bring a tear to your eye - GO BRONCOS
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/sto...
February 26, 2009
4:13 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
dehag,
still having problems, I followed and made an account I thought, but still cant comment. maybe i am confused.
February 26, 2009
4:20 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
Nevermind, I am in, I am just a little slow today. lol.
February 26, 2009
4:21 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
royalmarshalls, it happened to me also, at 1st. I reenabled my cookies and then it worked. I can be reached at dynamicdave8@yahoo.com. I'm laying down now. Running a 102.4 temp. Was 103.2 last night. Heads pounding too much to do any more.
February 26, 2009
4:37 p.m.
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dehag24 writes:
5 and a half hrs till the craziness begins.....totally excited here
February 26, 2009
5:04 p.m.
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Swick writes:
That's a real shame what's happening to Rocky. I like the idea of going to the Post. I'll just scan over the bs comments and look for the familiar names if there's too much nonsense. It might be fun for all of us to tear a new one for some of those amateur writers. I hope the Rocky staff finds work soon. It's not easy keeping up with the Broncos on the east coast and Rocky has helped me stay in the loop. Any thoughts on L.Coles? Is he a team player? I haven't kept up with him, but I've seen his speed on several occassions. Henderson sounds like a good option too.
February 26, 2009
5:14 p.m.
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Swick writes:
Get well Dave. Hope you have somebody there taking care of your old bones. Just kidding man, don't kick me in the face.
February 26, 2009
5:24 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
guys, The Rocky Mountain News is closing. Will we still be able to blog here?
February 26, 2009
5:24 p.m.
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Brain writes:
I like Henderson too; but I still think Houshmanzadeh would complete this offense. I know, not realistic and maybe not enough ball to go around; but I still like the idea.
Sean Jones is a good safety if he doesn't command a high price.
Mike Brown would be good if he could stay healthy but a BIG IF.
To bad the Rocky is history.
GO BRONCOS!!
February 26, 2009
5:38 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Ya, seriously, we just gonna go to the Denverpost because I'm going to start making my account there right now.
Sorry to everyone who lost there jobs who worked at the RMN. you guys did great!
February 26, 2009
5:42 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
DrChris, no Doc, go to http://dbtruefans.blogspot.com and sign up with the same handle. We will all meet up there and share info, ideas, articles read, and opinions. No different then here except we can determine the articles to discuss. I'll occasionally go to the DP but I've been to it 18 times (posts) since 05. I just don't like a lot of the posters negative mentality. Those are the type who come home from work, slap the wife, kick the dog and beat the kids. I like the crowd we have here. A true compliment to the Broncos nation, the group here.
February 26, 2009
5:43 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Hey guys, dehag started up something. Go up to his post and click on the link dbtruefans.
February 26, 2009
5:46 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
How come Miami can already sign Wilson before FA starts?
February 26, 2009
5:47 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Swick, the only #ss getting kicked is mine... by the flu. I try to lay down but I still have to cook for my elderly parents, etc. I'm at 102.6 now. Night is coming. I'll take another Thera-flu.
DrChris, open at the Post but also go to the one I gave you. It's for the RMN posters. Call it a bonding camaraderie.
February 26, 2009
5:49 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
6_is_the_new_7, good question. I'll research it. Seems that he was released though, if I'm correct.
February 26, 2009
5:55 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Dave, went to your site and its really confusing. I saw Dehag was on their but thats it.
February 26, 2009
5:58 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
I was just at the Post again. I can't do it. I hate it there.
February 26, 2009
5:58 p.m.
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BigRedCelt writes:
My addy oshucks63@msn.com.
February 26, 2009
6 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
DrChris, just sign up and all the rest will be there. In the words of my generation.... Trust me.... heh, heh, heh.
February 26, 2009
6:02 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
DrChris, oh, and use your Google account pasword and such to originally log into your Google account.
February 26, 2009
6:02 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Doc
There are 9 of us there so far. We had trouble figuring it out too. Keep trying.
DD I think it's 'cause he got cut. Just like when the 'Skins picked up Alridge.
February 26, 2009
6:19 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
6_is_the_new_7, that was my guess as well. Doc better hurry. Is there a doctor in the house?
February 26, 2009
6:31 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
The doctor is in the house. I just got in and now there are 10 of us. everyone is welcome...besides trolls!
6_is_the_new_7, Royal19, elwaytdsharpe and all other bloggers, sign in to the site that Dave listed about 12 comments above this one. awesome sight.
ChrisDudley24@gmail.com, email me if you need help, I figured it out.
February 26, 2009
6:43 p.m.
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Swick writes:
I still think the post is a decent option. I like being able to comment directly on articles from people who have some access to interviews of players and staff. Call me lazy, but I'm not great at coming up with topics. There's got to be a few good bloggers over there.
February 26, 2009
6:45 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Swick, just blog on both.
February 26, 2009
6:53 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Here's an idea, just copy and paste the articles fron the Denverpost onto our new site. That way we still get articles from intellegent people and we don't have to blog with the r3tarded people on the Dpost?
March 2, 2009
8:24 p.m.
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johnb writes:
I'm gonna miss Horvil tiki.