Gang dealt blow in Colorado busts
Officials: MS-13 crippled in effort to expand to state
By Judi Villa, Rocky Mountain News
Published February 24, 2009 at 12:26 p.m.
Law enforcement officials say they have crippled a notoriously violent street gang as its members were attempting to expand into Colorado and establish a foothold here for drug trafficking.
Eight members of the MS-13 gang were arrested Tuesday in Colorado and California, and police are searching for another four people. In addition, seven people were already in custody before Tuesday, and one has been deported.
"We wanted to get it at the front end and try and stop it before they got the good foothold," said Deputy Denver Police Chief Michael Battista. "I think by taking down these individuals in communities in the Denver metro area, we did accomplish that.
"It will have an impact on slowing their growth, if not stopping it in Colorado."
The gang migrated from Los Angeles in an attempt to expand its drug trafficking activities, said David Gaouette, acting United States Attorney for the District of Colorado.
MS-13 members specifically targeted Denver because they believed law enforcement here was "soft," said James Davis, special agent in charge of the FBI in Denver.
"They thought they had an opportunity here to take hold and expand," Davis said. "I think that this investigation proves that that's not the case. This investigation takes out a significant portion of that gang structure here in Denver."
A multi-agency gang task force began investigating MS-13 in 2006. In addition to obtaining indictments against 20 people, authorities seized 10 pounds of methamphetamine, 2.3 kilograms of cocaine, 124 grams of heroin, 12 firearms and $3,300 in cash.
The drugs were distributed on the streets of metro Denver as well as in the High Desert State Prison in California, officials said.
MS-13, which formed in Los Angeles and consists mainly of Salvadoran nationals and first generation Salvadoran-Americans, has an international reach, with 7,000 to 10,000 members in the United States.
"MS-13 has no place in our cities," said Daniel Roberts, the FBI's Deputy Assistant Director in Washington, D.C.
The FBI and law enforcement officials in Los Angeles have partnered with the El Salvadoran National Police and with police in cities and states across the country to "root out gangs wherever we can," Roberts said. Officials are applying the same techniques they've used for years in mob investigations.
"The MS-13 is really mobsters without borders," he said. "They really are wreaking havoc in several different countries in Latin America as well as in the United States."
Authorities in the Denver-area investigation targeted the gang's leadership and also snared associates and drug suppliers.
Those arrested face charges that include conspiracy to distribute illicit drugs and possession with the intent to distribute. Among those arrested were Gerardo Lopez, 31, of Denver, and Jose Garcia-Sanchez, 26, of Aurora, who are believed to be gang leaders.
If convicted on the drug distribution charges, the gang members could face 20 years to life in prison.
"This gang, at least in this particular area, was in its infancy," Gaouette said. "If you take out 20 members of a gang that is just getting started here, I think you can certainly say we put a dent in it.
"Perhaps the headquarters, if you will, of the gang, will not send any more members to Denver."
MS-13
* Who they are: Members of Mara Salvatrucha, MS-13, are mostly Salvadoran nationals and first-generation Salvadoran-Americans. They also include Hondurans, Guatemalans, Mexicans and other Central and South American immigrants.
* What the name means: Mara is gang, Salva refers to El Salvador, and Trucha means, "look out or beware." The number 13 is homage to the letter M, 13th letter in the alphabet, and signifies the Mexican Mafia.
* Membership: 7,000 to 10,000 members in at least 42 states and the District of Columbia.
* Criminal activity: Drug distribution, murder, rape, prostitution, robbery, home invasions, immigration offenses, kidnapping, carjackings/auto thefts and vandalism. Most of these crimes are exceedingly violent.
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February 24, 2009
12:35 p.m.
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Tolteckid writes:
Their threat is highest in the western and northeastern parts of the country.....
All liberal states.
February 24, 2009
12:37 p.m.
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gopbodybagz writes:
Tolteckid writes:
Their threat is highest in the western and northeastern parts of the country.....
All liberal states.
Tolteckid:
brilliant.
February 24, 2009
12:40 p.m.
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vYRaL303 writes:
WHY does every person on these boards make this argument into a political contest. Liberal...conservative...you all are the same.
February 24, 2009
12:45 p.m.
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cheech24 writes:
Amen, vYRaL303. Liberals and conservatives are the same anymore. They have both become fundamentalists: closed-minded to all things foreign to their myopic, pathetic, and tired world-views.
February 24, 2009
12:48 p.m.
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Francesca writes:
Ditto that, cheech24.
February 24, 2009
12:49 p.m.
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666 writes:
It's not like there's a better choice. It's either side with the ignorant Republican partisans or side with the ignorant Democrat partisans. Or, vote for Nader and watch your vote die of shame.
February 24, 2009
12:51 p.m.
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Shaupeen writes:
VERY well said cheech24.
February 24, 2009
12:58 p.m.
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kilpatrick88 writes:
Alright people. It's time to get serious about these barbarians. We need new prisons and lots of them. They need to be mainly automated with minimal employee involvement to minimize human interaction. (basically, all contraband found with prisoners is either hidden in 'care packages' or given by guards - the vast majority of whom are upstanding). And the prisons need to be in the middle of 'no where', like above the arctic circle in Alaska - seriously. The prisoners need to be isolated from one another for 23.5 hrs of the day, so they can't plan and plot their next criminal activity. I don't care about their feelings or whether or not this is 'cruel and unusual punishment'.
Obviously this will require MONEY! How about some of those stimulus dollars to create jobs assoc with the construction and operation of these facilities? I haven't heard any of our fine elected Representatives or Senators mention this idea. For some reason, dealing with crime doesn't seem to be a priority. Was it a campaign issue of anyone last November? It's time to take action, and notify your state and federal reps that crime is a priority. Also let them know that WE make the laws that govern this country and it's time that the laws protect the victims and society more than the criminals.
February 24, 2009
12:59 p.m.
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zipper writes:
Gang members like this operate freely in the US due to non-enforcement of immigration laws. Then the Feds spend millions chasing them around the country. It would be smarter to keep them out of the country in the first place, but our leaders are to stupid or scared to see this. What percent of Salvadorans are here legally?? Do we need to import other countries criminals?
February 24, 2009
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BroncoRick69 writes:
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February 24, 2009
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DougH writes:
Really unbelievable, The F.B.I. ( a unit of your federal government) is out actually doing it's job in rounding up these criminals and all the talk here is some kind of political B.S.
Criminal Gangs have been a part America forever and we should be thankful that the FBI is trying to do something about them.
So, it would be very helpful if you would keep the politics back on the editorial pages and try and stay on subject with news items.
I know, Fat Chance.
February 24, 2009
1:10 p.m.
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chill134 writes:
Kilpatrick, You sound like my 88 year old grandmother. Lock em up and throw away the key, you say. 90% of felons will be out in 3 years or less. What kind of inmate do you want coming out of prison and back on the streets? One who is literally insane due to no human contact, tv, reading materials, etc, or one who was at least given the opportunity to be rehibilitated? I'm not suggesting we treat these cowards like gold, i'm suggesting we face reality. Do some research and find out the mental state of inmates who were in the hole for a year or two vs one in the regular population. Then we'll see if you still want to lock em up and throw away the key for their entire prison stay.
February 24, 2009
1:13 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
Just a thought:
Why not house all the ILLEGAL ALIENS with our judges and Congresscritters?
Then they can share the " cultural diversity " and understand their problems by observation...
Knowing the way the MS-13 operates, we may solve two problems at the same time..
Just don't pay the ransom.
February 24, 2009
1:15 p.m.
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kilpatrick88 writes:
Zipper, I totally agree. However, due to bleeding heart legislation, many of these punks were born in the US and are thus citizens, even though they were born to known illegals (Why do we let this happen?). It would make too much sense to ship them all back to El Salvador or wherever they're from.
It'll be a lot easier to build prisons than to take away their citizenship, even though I would prefer to do the latter.
As far as those who are here illegally, fly the back immediately and drop them off without a parachute.
February 24, 2009
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buzzman writes:
they can double up with the rags at gitmo-get the scum outta here
February 24, 2009
1:22 p.m.
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FCZ writes:
Phoenix is number one in kidnappings nation- wide.
95 percent from Illegals.
Wake up Colorado.
The illegals are here.
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February 24, 2009
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kilpatrick88 writes:
Chill,
First of all, the data is controversial and 50-50 at best. You're confirmation bias is not allowing you to see data that supports the opposite of your argument - for which there is a lot of research.
Second, are they really going to be 'crazed' anymore than they already are. You're talking about the most violent gang in the land, known for decapitating and cutting of the limbs of their rivals.
February 24, 2009
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Elwood writes:
Good thing it was the Feds and not Denver police, otherwise they'd get an agricultural tresspass ticket, a slap on the wrist and a stern Don't Do That Again!
February 24, 2009
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chill134 writes:
Kilpatrick,
I'm not sure what data is controversial. Sentences are set in a court of law by a judge. There is a time limit to those sentences. 90% of them are 3 years or less, period.
I understand many inmates are 'crazed' upon entering prison, but locking them up 23.5 hours a day and secluding them will make them not only crazy, but mental. Believe it or not, they'll be much worse coming out than when they went in, therefore our city streets and neighborhoods will be far more dangerous as well.
February 24, 2009
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Rogue5 writes:
When will they round up the criminal gang in D.C.?
February 24, 2009
1:52 p.m.
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JSeifert writes:
There is only one way to stop Drug dealers Period a bullet in the back of the head. You line 10 in a line and fire with the cameras on and you keep doing it until they leave or they are all gone. That is the only way you are going to end drug dealing in the US.
Putting them in jail does not work!
Deporting them does not work!
But killing them does!
February 24, 2009
1:58 p.m.
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Darwin writes:
chill134 & Kilpatrick; it seems to be a no win situation either way. Isolate them and they go crazy, allow them in the general population and they continue to run their operation from prison.
They should serve their time, sent back to their home country, and better border enforcement. Not the total solution, but it might help some. Certainly what is being done now isn't working. Contrary to what some poster complained that this isn't about politics, I respectfully disagree. It is the politics of cheap labor and votes. Both parties are to blame.
February 24, 2009
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the_ripper writes:
They're just trying to feed their family, right, anderson?
February 24, 2009
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temurlan writes:
Darwin, I have a total solution.
Running Man
February 24, 2009
2:17 p.m.
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Phantom2 writes:
I say we just round up ALL these "rival" gangs and gang members, lock 'em in a windowless, heavily guarded warehouse and, you know, just see what happens...
February 24, 2009
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gopbodybagz writes:
seriously, these thugs are the worst of the worst.
they do not just ruin neighborhoods, they poison regions.
if any group deserves the harshest penalties, it is ms-13.
lock all of these fools under a prison.
most local law enforcement would prefer to avoid this group.
they don't give cops a chance to beat them up and they shoot back.
at least the feds seem to be making the effort while local cops make pot busts and ticket good samaritans.
February 24, 2009
2:27 p.m.
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44roger writes:
Multiple arrests, 3 years, and how much money was spent on each arrest? money that could be better spent sealing the border. how about this, a call for volunteers to the Army, Marines, with a stipulation the only duty was border patrol? Then send a memo to the Mexican president asking if he wants the bodies for fertilizer.
February 24, 2009
2:39 p.m.
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spyder writes:
Gangs??? In Denver??? I'm SHOCKED!!! Mayor Kickenlooper has told us time and time again there are no gangs or a gang problem in Denver!
Oh wait. The gangs must have shown up AFTER the Dem. Convention.
Or stayed on AFTER the Dem. Convention.
February 24, 2009
2:45 p.m.
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fifty writes:
Their threat is highest in the western and northeastern parts of the country.....
All populous states.
Their numbers when compared to the general population are probably the same throughout the country. Some bonehead just noticed that there were more of them where the population is greatest.
February 24, 2009
2:49 p.m.
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RustyWon writes:
Rogue5 - Good one!
It's funny, but its true.
We need prison reform. Gang activity, and crime in general, is at an all time high.
Prisons should be run like businesses where the "employees", aka prisoners, have to work (hard) to earn their keep.
Good workers may get "promoted" and have their sentence lessened. Bad employees, instead of getting fired, would have to work harder and stay longer.
Their labor would befit their crime. Hard labor for hard crime.
That would be more of a deterent than 3 square meals a day don't you think?
They should be made to build and repair things for the good of the society they owe the debt to.
Of course, making license plates and picking up trash is good, but take it even further.
Some of that Chinese crap that is bought at WalMart could instead be manufactured by convicts, right here in the good ol USA.
It could be made cheaply with no labor cost.
I realize infrastructure for something like this isn't free, but it could be jump started by the stimulus and eventually would pay for itself.
Grow their own crops, work their own farm / ranch, make their own clothing, repair automobiles and machinery, etc...
Make them a going concern and not a taxpayer liability.
February 24, 2009
3:07 p.m.
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MrJim writes:
so how many were arrested here?
February 24, 2009
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awhite411 writes:
I hope they take some of those Butt-ugly white women with them off the streets as well!
February 24, 2009
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Marshdale writes:
Tolteckid;
You're an idiot; They are centered there because that is where commerce and trade happens in this country, whether it's legal or illegal. It's where the money is. Open your eyes. It has nothing to do with democrat or republican.
February 24, 2009
3:17 p.m.
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awhite411 writes:
Maybe the new State name should be: GUAT-ARADO?
(IMMIGRANTS)
February 24, 2009
3:26 p.m.
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CZMD writes:
Black markets breed black marketeers. Al Capone would not have existed without Prohibition. These modern-day thugs would have nothing to fight and kill over if drugs were de-criminalized. The posters talking upthread about building more prisons and throwing away keys should instead be working to see that all of the non-violent drug offenders who fill up our prisons now be released so that truly dangerous individuals can be left in their cells for life, instead of being let go in three years to make room for some long-haired, tattood head banger who got busted with an ounce of pot.
The drug war has been lost. It has created a permanent class of violent criminals on our streets. So much money is involved it is leading to the corruption of border agents, police, prison guards, and even prosecuters and judges. Why don't we try a radical experiment for a few years instead? Take away the gangs' profits, tax the drugs, punish ANYONE who steals or commits violence instead of going after non-criminals who just want a little buzz now and then. America is cutting off its nose to spite its face on the issue of drugs, and it's not working. It's time to try a different road.
February 24, 2009
3:26 p.m.
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February 24, 2009
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StillUndecided writes:
Rusty, I agree completely. Why do we have this huge source of young, strong and FREE labor just sitting around plotting their next crime while we pay their room and board? There should be farms and factories next to every prison. US companies wouldn't need to import illegal labor or send jobs overseas if they had access to these workers. The ones that are too hardened or crazy to do productive work should be given a big hammer and be made to make big rocks into little rocks.
February 24, 2009
3:37 p.m.
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Sal writes:
CZMD,
What about prescription medications like OxyContin? What if I just want a little Oxy buzz? How about just a little heroin, nothing serious...
The problem with legalizing crack, is that regardless of the cost, people will do anything to get it. And when it has started to affect one's mind, then the lengths at which criminals will go to get their drugs is even greater.
You don't solve your problem by making the activity permissible. You can solve your problem by identifying the types of individuals most likely to engage in the activity and use education and opportunity to overcome it. And I'm not talking about "say no to drugs" posters and PSA's on TV. Real education and training for good jobs and better communities.
Have you ever noticed that the difficult thing to do and the right thing to do are usually the same thing?
February 24, 2009
3:39 p.m.
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Spillnick writes:
You know what all of you talking about how this is a problem dealing with the Border... first off your stupid if you think this has to deal with the border because we don't border El Salvador now do we and most illegal immigrants come over through believe it or not the Canadian border not the U.S.-Mexico border. So if this is a border security issue then we should but more border patrol officers on both borders and stop just signaling out "MEXICANS" and another thing do any of you have $30,000 - $40,000 dollars extra that you wouldn't need to pay your bills and on top of that also be able to live the way any of you may live like that without a job for about 1-2 years..... if so not many of you can so shut up about it being the illegal immigrants fault for selling drugs and committing other crimes to make money that they can live off of when it's our own system that is stopping them from doing what they have to in order to become U.S. citizens
February 24, 2009
3:41 p.m.
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pete10000ft writes:
what a sad sad forum
February 24, 2009
3:46 p.m.
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Fred writes:
Rusty & Still
The workforce you are wishing for already exists. It's called Unicore and its run within the federal prison system.
It's privately owned and operated by mostly retired judges.
It's the reason for minimum mandatory’s (minimum number of years for sentences for drug crimes). It allows the former judges an unlimited supply of slave labor and no bid contracts for its products to government entities.
That last part is personal opinion.
February 24, 2009
3:46 p.m.
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Spillnick writes:
Ok Sal you say that legalizing drugs is better then keeping things they way they are but how about meth, how about Cocaine (not crack, but powder Cocaine), and Heroin... these 3 drugs alone are the most addictive drugs in the World. So, your saying that legalizing them is ok??? How about if you have a son or a daughter using these drugs on a constant basis??? Would you say to them "Thats ok, oh but i can't afford to keep providing for your habit. So now you have to find a way to make enough money to support your own habit."
Knowing that the only way they're going to be able to continue using is to Steal or Rob....
Think about what your saying before you say it because your only making yourself look like an idiot
February 24, 2009
3:47 p.m.
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February 24, 2009
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February 24, 2009
3:59 p.m.
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JSeifert writes:
Spillnick No we hang the monster for selling drugs who cares what life was like in ES that not our problem, Our problem is the scum was selling drugs to Americans. If he cared about what his daughter had to go through he should not have been selling drugs. So since he did not care why should we!
February 24, 2009
4:06 p.m.
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Spillnick writes:
Jseifert, I never said anything "drug dealers" now did I?? What i said was Illegal Immigrants because not all illegal immigrants sell drugs! Also, maybe if the U.S. had other alternatives to make money then the "drug dealer" would probably change his ways and go legit so he wouldn't have to worry bout serving a prison sentence for selling drugs, and leave his daughter behind with other people in his family that he might have her. So, maybe the Government should put more of this stimulus plan towards creating more jobs and hiring illegals to do those jobs so they wouldn't have to sell drugs to make money to live and provide for the basics that everyone needs to live!
February 24, 2009
4:14 p.m.
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SanctuaryCity writes:
Get Ritter on it as this looks like agricultural trespass.
Nice group picture . Where's the other 19,999,958 ?
Wake up Colorado as there is a problem with these illegals
February 24, 2009
4:20 p.m.
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Spillnick writes:
Hey SanctuaryCity,
You wouldn't happen to have o about $30,000 - $40,000 dollars extra that you don't need would you???
February 24, 2009
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February 24, 2009
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Bernie writes:
Spillnick - are you part of MS13? Sympathizing with these thugs. There are alternatives to dealing drugs; it's called get a job. And if you can't do what's necessary to become a legal citizens then you should be treated like a criminal.
February 24, 2009
4:26 p.m.
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the_ripper writes:
'...So, maybe the Government should put more of this stimulus plan towards creating more jobs and hiring illegals to do those jobs so they wouldn't have to sell drugs to make money to live and provide for the basics that everyone needs to live!...'
Here's a novel idea...how about we kick the criminals out, since
there's plenty of American criminals without these scumbags.
That makes too much sense, doesn't it?
February 24, 2009
4:26 p.m.
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SanctuaryCity writes:
Still should name the city, Sanctuary City
February 24, 2009
4:27 p.m.
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chicabonita writes:
Seems to me if there wasn't a demand for drugs there wouldn't be drug dealers....hmmm...silly thought i know.....
February 24, 2009
4:28 p.m.
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gopbodybagz writes:
any guesses as to who buys their drug product? i have difficulty believing they self - consume all of it themselves.
February 24, 2009
4:28 p.m.
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the_ripper writes:
'...these 3 drugs alone are the most addictive drugs in the World...'
Wrong again, Einstein. Try....NICOTINE!!!
February 24, 2009
4:30 p.m.
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Spillnick writes:
Ripper, Actually i do know about 150 people that i have constant contact with that have put in their paper work and have come up with the 30-40 thousand dollars it cost to get them
Bernie, no i'm not part of MS13 and i'm not sympathizing with those so-called "thugs" because I however am a Native born Mexican-American and i've seen the struggles that families go through trying to get their paperwork and the money it cost to become a citizen and the test it takes also which i haven't met any Natural born citizen that can pass that test but yet we force others to pass to become citizens
February 24, 2009
4:30 p.m.
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Bernie writes:
"So, maybe the Government should put more of this stimulus plan towards creating more jobs and hiring illegals to do those jobs so they wouldn't have to sell drugs to make money to live and provide for the basics that everyone needs to live!"
You mean give my money to help support illegal immigrants. That's the problem, we are providing services for them and picking up the bill.
February 24, 2009
4:33 p.m.
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SanctuaryCity writes:
Spillnick
I do have extra $$ & will be using them in 2010 & 2012
February 24, 2009
4:34 p.m.
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Spillnick writes:
SanctuaryCity,
you just proved my point that even most people who are U.S. citizens couldn't pay what it cost to become a Citizen!!
February 24, 2009
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Bernie writes:
Spillnick - normal, everyday citizens struggle to make ends meet and pay their bills and pay taxes for services most will never use. Your not going to get much sympathy.
February 24, 2009
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Spillnick writes:
Bernie
I'm not looking for sympathy i'm trying to prove a point that alot of people try their hardest to go up and above whats required such as paying their bills and taxes soo that either them or people in their family can become citizens..
February 24, 2009
4:41 p.m.
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Bernie writes:
Spillnick - and those are the types of citizens the US is looking for. Good hardworking people.
February 24, 2009
4:43 p.m.
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beerock99 writes:
"Actually i do know about 150 people that i have constant contact"
Yeah and they all live in the same apartment as spillnick
February 24, 2009
4:44 p.m.
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loudsurfguy writes:
Tara Porter and Elizabeth Vega... sounds like two nice girls doesn't it? Oops they got caught up with the wrong guys....
February 24, 2009
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Spillnick writes:
Bernie,
I know that i'm not stupid the point behind all this is that when 1 - 10,000 illegal immigrants do something completely stupid and wrong such as killing an innocent person, then everyone wants to bash illegal immigrants all together when a lot of illegal immigrants make an honest living and try to get the money they need to become citizens
February 24, 2009
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February 24, 2009
4:49 p.m.
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Who_Me writes:
MS-13 tattoo = immediate death sentence
Commit a crime and have proven gang membership = immediate death sentence
Here illegally = immediate deportation, even if the capturing offense is a traffic violation (but you still get the three points assessed against your non-existent license, just to be thorough)
Pretty simple, really.
February 24, 2009
4:49 p.m.
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gcrez writes:
wow! Spillnick- are you serious??? How can you sit and defend people that have no regard for the law or for anyone else for that matter? How many uninsured people do you think this country can take care of? There is a reason they limit the number of new citizens in this country, it's because we can't support as many as are here. Before you go bashing the system, why don't you tell the illegals that aren't applying for citizenship to stop coming here so we can make more room for law abiding citizens that go about it the right way. Our lack of border control has contributed to more detriment in this country than any other factors. The entire health care system is in a quagmire because the people that have insurance are paying for the health care of the people witout. Now that the premiums are sky high and more people are living uninsured, who is going to pay for all the illegals health care? That is why we are in the situation we are in today...
February 24, 2009
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Bernie writes:
Spillnick - I guess you would say the same thing about drunk driving. When some drunk kills an innocent person, everyone wants to bash drunk driving...am I getting the point.
February 24, 2009
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February 24, 2009
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Ducks2k writes:
Colorado wake up and see where we are, not where we are going. Look at Pheonix, Az. look at East Los Angles, Ca, look at Portland, Or. We can no longer say it is not going to come to colorado. It is time we elect politicians that no longer are so overcome with political correctness that they can"t see where we are. It is not racism to expect poeple to enter the US legally, It is not racism to expect law enforcement to enforce the law when the come in contact with illegals. It is not racism to believe that we should provide educaton, medical treatment and welfare for our childern and citizens prior to illegals.
It is not racism want to keep Colorado from beings a Phoenix, East Los Angles, or Portland, Or. Texas is now making preperations to use the military to protect theiir Cities and Citizens. It is not that the illegals are mexican it is that they are illegal, dope dealers, gang members.
Wake up now or pay the price.
Attached is some injformation take it or leave it.
Just One State
This is only one State...............If this doesn't open your eyes nothing will !
From the L. A. Times
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A
County has 10.2 million people )are working for cash and not paying taxes
This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without
a green card.
2 .95% of warrants for murder in Los Angele s are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for
by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members
in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County )
(All 10 of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking =
our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ' annual
population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York )
results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal
aliens.
We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue
February 24, 2009
5:05 p.m.
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gopbodybagz writes:
most of you posting do not seem to really know the scourge that is ms-13.
it is not a partisan issue.
it is not a liberal or conservative issue.
it is not a racial issue.
legal "citizens" are supporting the business of these thugs and it must end.
trust me, all the bs rhetoric will not help you once this plague invades your space.
people like "sanctuary city" talk a good game with the other bigots, but if confronted with ms-13 in your neighborhood, you will be the first one chewed up and spit out.
this is a disease that commands our (citizen or whatever!) full attention.
ms-13 must be eradicated. period.
petty bickering by partisan pantywaists is not beneficial.
this is a genuine "quality of life," my neighborhood, your neighborhood, our colorado, issue.
save the usual myopic stupidity for our regular forums.
read, up! man up! this is serious business.
February 24, 2009
5:14 p.m.
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the_ripper writes:
'...So, maybe the Government should put more of this stimulus plan towards creating more jobs and hiring illegals...'
I'll post this again for the bleeding-hearts at the RMN who don't like the truth spoken at my 4:24 post.
Here's an idea; how about deporting the ILLEGAL ALIEN criminals since we have enought American criminals without ILLEGAL ALIEN criminals.
February 24, 2009
5:21 p.m.
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the_ripper writes:
THIS JUST IN:
Your legislature doesn't want to make sure your increased "fee" to register your car isn't going to ILLEGAL ALIENS. Nice. Increase my registration fee to pay ILLEGAL ALIENS. Nice.
This is one of the parts that FAILED
"*Require verification by contractors on road projects that employees are not illegal aliens;
http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/li...
It's time for another revolution. Time to take back our country from the ILLEGALS and our government that loves them.
February 24, 2009
5:27 p.m.
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the_ripper writes:
Here's a lie.
'...most illegal immigrants come over through believe it or not the Canadian border not the U.S.-Mexico border...'
February 24, 2009
5:31 p.m.
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the_ripper writes:
Spillnick writes:
'...so shut up about it being the illegal immigrants fault for selling drugs and committing other crimes to make money that they can live off of when it's our own system that is stopping them from doing what they have to in order to become U.S. citizens...'
You are so far out in la-la land it's unbelievable.
February 24, 2009
5:37 p.m.
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60GUNNER writes:
Spillnick, google MS-13 and read a little bit about these poor illegal immagrants. For some reason I don't think they are coming here to work, raise money and take a test for citizenship.
February 24, 2009
5:39 p.m.
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loudsurfguy writes:
I TOTALLY agree with Ducks2k. Colorado needs to wake up and do something now before this gets too out of hand, simply because of the racial undertone.
I moved away from Colorado 5 years ago because I was tired of the illegal aliens getting all sorts of benefits. From free food, no taxes to pay, to healthcare for their babies being born in the state.
Thank god I now live in a state where we don't have this problem!
February 24, 2009
5:42 p.m.
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60GUNNER writes:
loudsurfguy, where is this at? Do you own your own island?
February 24, 2009
5:48 p.m.
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60GUNNER writes:
Here's a little insight. In the early 80's there was a civil war in El Salvador. The peasents formed gangs and were trained as guerilla fighters by guess who? The CIA. Just like Osama and the freedom fighters against the Russians in Afghanistan. Funny how everything comes full circle.
February 24, 2009
6:05 p.m.
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hoopoe36 writes:
60Gunner: great insight on the blowback from another CIA op. When are the Feds going to stop engineering these disasters and leaving the citizenry to foot the bill?
I think Spillnick must have been oxygen-deprived at some point.
February 24, 2009
6:23 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
MS-13 is no longer just made of of El Salvadorians, it has morphed into a hispanic gang. Violent little turds, infiltrating our country....along with the rest of the criminals.
February 24, 2009
6:33 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
It looks like the RMN staff is infiltrated with members of MS-13.
Time to say adios, guys.
My comment about the rope was mild compared to what the MS-13 crowd does.
If you play with fire ( Censorship ), expect to get your fingers burned...
And getting your pink slip compares to a little singe...
Just wait. There's more...
February 24, 2009
6:38 p.m.
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GunnyBob writes:
This story simply must have been fabricated by the RMN to sell papers with sensationalism because days ago, Janet Napolitano, our Secretary of Homeland Security, stated that south-of-the-border drug cartel violence is non-existent in the US.
February 24, 2009
6:44 p.m.
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DenverTea writes:
Kilpatrick, a society with a plethora of overflowing prisons is a society that is very, very ill.
February 24, 2009
6:53 p.m.
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squeakywheel writes:
"South-of-the-border drug cartel violence is non-existent in the US."
Maybe cuz it's South of the Border?
Just sayin'...
February 24, 2009
6:57 p.m.
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squeakywheel writes:
I am a US Citizen, I recently sponsored an immmigrant, paid for it, and by the way took the test and got a 98.
Seems we have at least one illegal in this room, one too many for me.
February 24, 2009
7:01 p.m.
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onusone writes:
Eight arrests out of 6000 to 10000 members.A big pat on the back is in order.
February 24, 2009
7:04 p.m.
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squeakywheel writes:
Actually I meant to say we have one illegal alien here.
It's not fair to those who apply, wait, pay, wait more, interview, wait more, take a test, wait more, pay more, etc. for somebody else to sneak across the border.
They are cheating legal immigrants as well as every US Citizen.
And I blame the idiots in Washington for the complete incompetence. The current batch is the worst in US history.
Make these thugs build the wall.
February 24, 2009
7:56 p.m.
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BDC writes:
MS-13 and it's associates have been in Denver for some time now. If you see "13" or "X3" on someone's shirt, hat, cut into their haircut, if you see someone with devil horns shaved into their heads, then you've seen them. They aren't shy about it. I've seen them wearing these hats and shirts while working in McDonalds, the malls, and other places. I've seen their "tags" spray painted all over the city.
The city officials can bury their heads in the sand and deny this truth all they want but these lowlifes have been here for years. This sweep by the feds makes it hard to deny anymore but they've been active here for years and years.
Raul Garcia Gomez, the Mayor's cop murdering dishwasher, shaved "X3" into his hair while in jail, knowing full well it'd be all over the news. He was proclaiming his allegiance and letting everyone know who had killed Officer Young.
February 24, 2009
8:47 p.m.
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4shortofa100 writes:
Yeesh.
Most of you are incomprehensibly stupid.
February 24, 2009
8:56 p.m.
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brentmeister writes:
i thought they were all just hard working people who wanted a better life...the best defense is getting and exercising your concealed handgun license.
February 24, 2009
10:11 p.m.
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snuffalupagus writes:
Ducks2k
You make GOOD points. The LA Times says it best!!!
February 24, 2009
11:30 p.m.
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DUScooter writes:
Just another one of the MANY reasons why we need to Nationalize our Southern boarder. How many of these folks arrested are here illegally? Where is that side of the story?
Central America will kill the U.S.A's culture and society.
Demand a wall!
February 24, 2009
11:40 p.m.
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gwats writes:
To hell with racism or politics! If they arrested a good number of these crooks, we'll all sleep a little better tonight.
February 25, 2009
12:59 a.m.
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huskerindenver writes:
I wish it were possible to simply have capital punishment in place for these punks! If they are so tough and want to kill each other let them do just that. Let's video it and put it on pay-per-view. That way they can kill to their hearts content and we can watch real blood spill unlike "pro wrestling". Better yet round em up amd send em to IRAQ or AFGHANISTAN give em fake guns and dummy rounds with a target painted on their head.
February 25, 2009
3:53 a.m.
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SanctuaryCity writes:
Degette must have lost a few votes with the roundup
February 25, 2009
4:17 a.m.
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wow writes:
the ripper
the punnisher
Duscooter
squeakywheel
gunny and sheep and who_me, have it right, all the way around.
And if this "crippling" of one gang can be accomplished, then maybe the dpd wouldn't mind, please, heading over to my part of town for a minute to tell my neighbors why it really is ok if I or my kids wear something red.
Seriously.
February 25, 2009
4:44 a.m.
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Sundog writes:
loudsurfguy: Where, pray tell, is that?
February 25, 2009
6:47 a.m.
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slocatch writes:
Gangs go the path of least resistance, Thank you Gov. Ritter and John H. The are here following your lead or lack of.
February 25, 2009
7:10 a.m.
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INC writes:
Illegals = Spanish speaking individuals from Mexico or central America. MS-13 specifically in this case.
persons from crappy country's coming here to cause mayhem. as we have a reputation of promising a better life. Or a misconception of being "soft".
yet NO one from Denmark, France, Norway, Netherlands or Belgium are coming here Illegally or otherwise. as those countries have stable economy's, Health care and Jobs for its people.
February 25, 2009
7:32 a.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
INC - I don't want to make it too obvious but it's a lot easier to swim the Rio Grande than the Atlantic Ocean. Europe has it's own issues with gangland activity it just doesn't spill into the US for reasons of proximity.
On the other hand, go to Europe, as a citizen of any country, and see what happens when you check into a hotel. Papers, please...
Why can't we do this in the US? I shudder to think what would happen to me or my children if we were to illegally enter ANY OTHER country in the world. I just can't figure out why we can't do anything significant about it here. Oh, maybe there really is a conspiracy...
February 25, 2009
8:48 a.m.
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Iron writes:
said Deputy Denver Police Chief Michael Battista, "It will have an impact on slowing their growth, if not stopping it in Colorado."
Please have one of your fellow officers help you remove your head from your rectum.
February 25, 2009
9:15 a.m.
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Denverboy1 writes:
If we fund the C.I.A and they turn around and train the future narco\Islamic-lunatics that invade our cities...we can't win..Our own government is creating the network that later down the road we have to fight at every turn...Could it be the leadership of the C.I.A knows this..they then turn around and demand more from the American people to fight....Narcotics...Terrorist.....Human Trafficers...We are fighting many wars.....Every one of them have the C.I.A as seed money for there start up......ALL OF THEM...
Could the real problem be the our own...starting way back in the Cold War era...In fact we are fighting our own government...A house divided......................Will Fall
February 25, 2009
9:37 a.m.
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snuffalupagus writes:
The Death Sentence would be appropriate for all of these gang members. Hey, there is only so much room in the prisons!!! Look at what California is doing by releasing 4,000 inmatesHey Denver, here we come!!!!
February 25, 2009
10:04 a.m.
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Denverboy1 writes:
Putting them to death..is an option...but solves not the problem..Just like with Jihadist......you take some out..there are 100 more ready to fill there shoes...why because they were trained by our own to be self-sustaining....the solution is in there homeland...help there nations learn to help themselves.... Any idiot can hand some one a gun and a wad of cash and tell them to fight...for any idea...be that Drugs...Politics.....or there God...But lift there countries up ...education....education...education...and they might begin to see the world in a different way...We have a hard time understanding WHY....we only see the here and now...that is not ENOUGH...as we can see world wide...
Besides you have an appeals process in this nation that takes....well ...years....you have to jail em...
Our World View in this Country is soooooo limited...our ablity to see beyond our Big screen TV's our Huge SUV's the shopping Mall...is very limited..We don't KNOW what the world is..and by
that lack we base our assumptions on an American Fantasy..of what other nations contend with in there daily lives... We see only what the Wizard wants us to see...because in the end most of us here in the U.S..............don't really care
February 25, 2009
10:34 a.m.
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redwhiteandBLUE writes:
Send them to Gitmo!