Broncos' Torain exercises patience in latest comeback
By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published February 24, 2009 at 3:20 p.m.
Broncos running back Ryan Torain's biggest challenge in his recovery from a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee: restraint.
He already has done some treadmill work and ridden a stationary bike.
The next big step in his recovery comes soon.
"I'm probably about a week away from starting jogging drills and a doing a few agility drills," Torain said. "I've just got to be patient with it."
He was injured in a Nov. 7 game at Cleveland. His latest rehabilitation has been "long" and comes after two others stemming from a college foot injury and a dislocated elbow suffered in training camp.
"It's probably one of the easier ones," he said. "The foot was the hardest to get over. I couldn't walk for a couple months. So that was a struggle."
Torain is expected to be ready for training camp and possibly some mini-camp work.
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February 24, 2009
3:36 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Just take care of it, don't rush it and get better. I still have hope for him and hope he gets back to 100%. If he can, then he will be a force.
February 24, 2009
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ColoradoSportsFaninTexas writes:
Agreed...RB coach Bobby Turner seems to think that this guy is the real deal. So, if he can come back completely healthy, and with the return of the other backs, i.e. Hillis, Young, Bell, etc., then the Broncos may not need to draft another running back....
February 24, 2009
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Cutler6 writes:
Dynamicdave, I truly love your enthusiasm, and truly hope your correct, however I can't honestly say that up to now there is any evidence, beyond the hype placed upon him during the former coaching regime and other broncomaniacs, that would support your claim or even suggest that "he will be a force". Again I hope your right but lets see him play a full season against top level competition before he is declared "a force"
February 24, 2009
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RockyMts69 writes:
With all of the injuries that Denver went through last year with running backs and on D it makes me wonder if Invesco Field was built on top of an Indian burial ground? I don't ever recall seeing anything that bad as last year...
I know I'm going to get slammed when I say this...but I still feel T.Bell has the potential of being a consistent and highly productive RB with Denver. I realize he has had his fair share of mistakes in the past, but HE was the last 1,000 yard rusher Denver had.
With that being said, get the D where it needs to be and then the offense does'nt have to carry all of the work load.
February 24, 2009
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pandaman3000 writes:
Torain played well in the game against Cleveland, but I agree with Cutler6, I don't think that he is worth the hype, and I do hope that I'm wrong. There isn't a lot of depth in FA with running backs, and our gang of running backs, besides Hillis, have struggled, Selvin and Torain with injuries, and Hall and Bell with fumbles, though Bell did do alot better this year than in the past. I don;t think that they should use the first pick on a RB, but if there is a potential playmaker in the 2nd or 3rd round, than we should maybe take a look at that.
February 24, 2009
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Dynamicdave writes:
Keep in mind guys, I've watched him play at ASU. He was awesome. Yeah, college, true, but a force when he was playing. I have concerns about him staying healthy but I am willing to give him the chance. I trust in what Turner said. He knows this kids potential better then me. As we say in Vegas, "Let it ride."
I also like Tatum. He showed heart and gameness and he wasn't even in football shape.
What it comes down to is who shines in camp, as to who will start. I know it, all of you know it, and we all know the coaches as well as the players, know it. I doubt, also (knock on wood) that Denver will suffer the injuries to RB's as they did last season.
February 24, 2009
4:25 p.m.
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Six_Does_Not_Equal_Seven writes:
I'm more excited about Hillis than Torain. Hillis has actually shown some potential in live action. Torain appears to have the injury cloud looming dark and heavy over him. I wish him well, and I hope he fully realizes his potential and lives up to the hype... But when it comes to Ryan Torain, I'm from Missouri... Show Me!
February 24, 2009
4:26 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
pandaman3000, I think it would be foolish of Denver to waste a 1st or 2nd rounder on a RB. 3rd round, maybe. Denver needs to fix the D. They got rid of a lot of D players and more will come. That tells me what they are concentrating on. Denver needs to try and get Chung in the 2nd.
February 24, 2009
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RockyMts69 writes:
Well said Dave...I feel Denver running backs are going to have a good year come fall.
Because when McD drafts the 'Quarterback Crusher' James Laurinaitis, the offense can go down to the grocery store to buy a loaf of bread and mop up the rest of the gravy! :)
February 24, 2009
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gahoaglund writes:
I don't know, DD, I think you should take your highest rated available player based on your board and needs, so if a Knowshon Moreno is the highest rated player on the board at 12, you take him. There is alot of depth on D and especially at LB this year. Maybe what happens early in free-agency will tell us volumes about what way we go in the draft.
February 24, 2009
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DrChris writes:
Six_Does_Not_Equal_Seven, is this 6_is_the_new_7
February 24, 2009
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Dynamicdave writes:
gahoaglundsorry, I disagree. You take a player by the needs of the team, not because the player is available. You fix the problems that you have. RB is not one of them. Yes, they suffered injuries last year, but that was just that, last year. Do you actually believe that they got rid of all those D players because they want to get a RB??? I think not.
February 24, 2009
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RockyMts69 writes:
DrChris, where are you in Cali?
February 24, 2009
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pandaman3000 writes:
I think that the Broncs should try to be a little aggressive in FA this year, but most of the Defensive players that are available will want to much $$. Haynesworth wants between 15-20 million a year, Peppers is tagged at $14 mill. No way are we gonna get Ray Lewis, but if we can make a run to Derrick Ward, that should help our run game a little, then that way, we can focus the draft mainly on D. Besides, most D players that come to Denver via Free Agency, don't usually pan out, Bly, Darryl Gardner, Dale Carter, Dwayne Robertson. Lynch has really been the only free agent in recent years that went well.
February 24, 2009
4:49 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Dave, you go by who is the best available player. Remember Minnesota two years ago, they didn't need a running back but Adrian Peterson was the best player available. Brady Quinn was also available and Minnesota did need a quarterback but I bet if you ask anybody who they would rather have, Quinn or Peterson, they would say Peterson. (unless they are from Cleveland). That's why I say if Moreno is available he will probably be the best player available. Mauluga is not the best player available if he's still there at 12. (He can't even run 40 yards without getting hurt).
February 24, 2009
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DrChris writes:
RockyMts69, I live in Lake County. Nice little town on the lake but lots of Raider fans here. Hard to wear a Bronco jersey around here without getting laughed at.
February 24, 2009
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BigRedCelt writes:
The talk of taking Moreno at 12 is absurd. No way, no way. No O player taken in the first four rounds. Defensive needs are too great. Also, the RB position will not be the focus it was in the Shanny era. This is going to be a pass oriented team.
Torains only ? is health. If he is healthy he will be a force. I did not see him play in college much. We don't get many ASU games in Colorado. Watching him against Cleaveland he was a stud. He's a hard powerful, runner. Health questions are valid, but the talent is there. I also like Bell. Let's see what he's got after an offseason he can get in shape.
If you're an upper echelon team it makes sense to draft the best players. Denver does not have that luxury. Defensive needs are too great.
February 24, 2009
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pandaman3000 writes:
DrChris, those Raider fans should not be laughing at you, missing the playoffs 3 years in a row without the playoffs may be bad, but I believe it's 8 years for them right? They know it and you can very humbley rub it in thier face! Good Luck!!
February 24, 2009
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gahoaglund writes:
Agree to disagree, on this point anyway. I am in the Dr Chris camp on the best available player on your board. Remember your board WILL or SHOULD address your team needs as a higher priority, but if someone falls in your lap, you have to take him.
February 24, 2009
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Dynamicdave writes:
DrChris, incorrect Doc. Denvers need is NOT a RB. It is D. All the moves have been to clean house of the bad players on D. More to come, I'm betting. You guys are trying to convince me that the answer to replace these defensive players is to draft a RB in the 1st round??? Please, guys. You guys are entitled to your opinions, of course, but I'm willing to bet the 1st 2 rounds of pitchers of beer at the Broncos party that they don't get Moreno with their #12 pick.
February 24, 2009
5:13 p.m.
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topdog4350 writes:
DD, I agree with you on Torain. I have personally never seen one of his college games, but I am in AZ now and everyone that follows ASU and the Broncos say we got a steal. When he is healthy he is a force. Just hope all the injuries are behind him. I would like to see him have a breakout year along with Hillis. That guy is special.
On the number #12 pick, I have to say go with the top rated person on your draft board. I know we have needs, but I have to agree with Dr Chris on the Minnesota analogy. Ed Reed in previous posts is another great example. I would hate to say coulda shoulda woulda come the end of the 09 season. However, if Knowshon is that good we shouldn't even have to worry. In theory if he is that good he should already be off the board. Myself, I would like to see us move down and pick up Laurinitas and another pick or two and in the 2nd either Brace or Chung.
Does Maualuga's stock drop after his hamstring injury?
February 24, 2009
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BigRedCelt writes:
Laughed at by Raider fans??? Like they have anything to laugh about. Maualuga was injured while training not in the 40 he ran at the combine. He's every bit the LB that Moreno is a RB.
The Vikings thought they were set at QB with Jackson. Why I have no idea, but they were.
February 24, 2009
5:19 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
gahoaglund, disagree. Not in Denver's situation. Denver got rid of a lot of D players. Do you actually think, with Denver switching to a 3-4, that they will draft a RB because someone in a mock draft listed Moreno? Why on God's green earth would you draft a RB in the 1st when you have the #2 O in the league and dead last on D? Why would you draft a RB with your 1st pick after releasing a good portion of your D? What do you propose, that they draft D in late rounds? Get mediocre players? Spend a fortune on FA? Not happening.
February 24, 2009
5:20 p.m.
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discer writes:
Got to go with the D in the first three rounds at least. Maualuga, Simtin and Brace with Chung a possibility if we don't address safety with free agency.
February 24, 2009
5:21 p.m.
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BigRedCelt writes:
The Ed Reed comment made no sense. Reed was rated higher than Lelie and Denver needed a safety. How'd that work out?
February 24, 2009
5:23 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Dave, you've been living in Vegas to long. LOL. but We can adress the defense through free agency and the draft. There is not that much depht at the running back position in this years draft so I would try to get one of the first round guys. There is probably more depht at the linebacker position then I've ever seen in a draft. In my opinion Phillips is one of the best linebackers and he is expected to be available in the third or fourth round so why not get him. Because the running back position is so slim, we should get one in the first round.
February 24, 2009
5:27 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
topdog4350, I originaly agree with you about trading down but I just don't see another team that really wants a #12 pick.
February 24, 2009
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discer writes:
We could sign four or five FA defensive players and we should still draft D in the first three rounds at least. Let Bobby Turner find another mid to late round gem in the draft. We absolutely need to build a fearsome strong attacking defense and it won't get done by picking those players in the later rounds of a draft. Hell just draft three defensive players from USC with our first three picks and we would probably come out OK.
February 24, 2009
5:30 p.m.
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BigRedCelt writes:
Even if they do address safety in FA they need to draft Chung. There is not a safety in FA that I would consider a long term solution. I'm hoping they get a solid safety via FA (experience and leadership) and draft Chung. The more I learn about this kid the more I feel they NEED him (leadership for years to come). Thanks DD for being the first to bring up his name.
2nd rated O in the league...will have more experience next year so they will be even better...a defense that has given up 400+ points two years in a row... uh, yeah drafting a RB makes sense to me.
February 24, 2009
5:31 p.m.
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topdog4350 writes:
We passed on Ed Reed. He has been an elite safety. Think we would be having safety troubles now if we would have taken him? Oh, and where is Lelie. If there is a game changer out there you gotta take him. I just don't think Moreno is that so its not really an issue. It is just the point I am arguing. Gotta take the best person on your board. Hopefully ours is loaded with defensive players. That's all.
February 24, 2009
5:33 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
A team that hasn't had a thousand yard rusher two years in a row....makes sense to me.
February 24, 2009
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BigRedCelt writes:
Uh yeah I know the whole Ed Reed/Ashley Lelie story. And you're kind of proving my point. Denver NEEDED a safety and took a WR, a position it would have been nice to improve, but not a NEED at the time.
Denver NEEDS defensive players, period. End of story. I really don't see how this point can be argued...actually it can't. Look at he the numbers.
February 24, 2009
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gahoaglund writes:
I agree our main concern is on defense...no doubt, but our #2 offense was what? #16 in points scored. Injures hurt last year, but RB was NOT a strength. Especially in producing TD's. If the best player available on your board is Laurentaits, take him, if it's Moreno, take him.
February 24, 2009
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OrangeCrusher writes:
Ok, why is Denver not drafting a QB in the 1st-2nd rd? Because we already have a good one. Ok, why is Denver not drafting a RB in 1st-2nd rd? Because we already have several capable RB's.
DynamicDave is soo right. We're going all D in the first 2rds or ALL the BEER is on me at the shindig! I'm sure we can't drink more then a few kegs?
February 24, 2009
5:43 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Hey guys
Long day! Still putting up the fight eh Doc. Wow what a lot of reading. Even saw Truth was on. Myerda had some good stuff. And Dave , I even read one, I think it was Big Red Celt, that convinced me trading a pick or two from next year wouldn't be so bad after all. What's up with Six_Does_Not_Equal_Seven?
February 24, 2009
5:44 p.m.
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BigRedCelt writes:
The number one, can't miss action to improve Denvers standing both offensively and defensively...ORANGE JERSEYS!!!!!!!
February 24, 2009
5:47 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Well you may think that you should draft your team need but I think you should draft the best available player. I'm not wrong, Your not wrong, neither of us are wrong, its just an opinion. You point out the Ashley Lelie/Ed Reed story but it can go the other way around.
February 24, 2009
5:50 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
DrChris, injuries prevented that last year. I still believe in Torain (just stay healthy Ryan. Please). New staff so who they draft will be an uncertainty. Also, new team (on D, mainly), new coach, new system. I don't think Denver will be all about the running game anymore. I have a feeling that McDaniels will be pass oriented much like the Colts have been? Everybody needs to remember in the back of their minds (me included) that we will see a different Denver Broncos on the field this season. It is not Shanahan oriented, it is going to be McDaniels oriented (whatever that may be).
February 24, 2009
5:56 p.m.
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ColoradoSportsFaninTexas writes:
I agree with Dynamic Dave...The Broncos didnt cut loose all those defensive players to draft a RB at #12.
I believe the Broncs will pick Raji at 12 if he is still available, if not, then they go for the best CB...Jenkins from Ohio State...As for RB, the Broncs have a solid history of picking a good back in the later rounds...
February 24, 2009
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BigRedCelt writes:
I believe there are times when you draft the best player. Back in the SB winning years Denver was in that position. That's just not the case now. Denver is in a position where they have to fill needs. That need is defense. If your car battery dies you don't fix the problem buying new breaks. I'm right and you're wrong (just ribbin' ya).
And you're not taking the orange jersey's serious.
February 24, 2009
6:01 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
"As for RB, the Broncs have a solid history of picking a good back in the later rounds..." Good backs, yes. Great backs, once. Moreno could be a great back and we may have to face him Twice a year.
February 24, 2009
6:02 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Dave please move out of Vegas. I'm not going to give the starting running back position to a guy who can't stay healthy. What happens if he gets hurt again, we bring in a bunch of guys off the practice squad like last year and have them get hurt until we eventually bring in guys working at a cell phone store? I don't think so.
Torain has tremendous skill. i do wish he could stay healthy because I have the perfect nickname for him,
"The Torain Train!". Having Torain as the starting running back is a gamble. He was hurt in college, He was hurt in training camp, He was hurt in the regular season, it's a never ending list of injuries. Look, I know guys get hurt but if you get hurt that much you shouldn't be in the NFL.
February 24, 2009
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topdog4350 writes:
Dynamic Dave, way to bring us all back together. I think you nailed it. It is going to be a different look and feel to our team. And we don't have a clue, but it is exciting to speculate. I just hope that whatever the plan is, it all comes together.
February 24, 2009
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Bradonkadoncs writes:
Is BigRedCelt actually Brian Scalabrini? http://theredrocket.net/wp-content/up...
Tatum's issue was always his attitude - "I want more carries". Well, after selling cellies, his attitude seems to have shifted to "Whatever you need me for Coach Turner." He was never a bad runner, and a great change of pace guy. I think him with Hillis, Torain (injury-gods willing), Pittman for goal line and wisdom, and one new pickup should be good. Andre and Selvin, buh-bye. Dre dropped the ball too many times, and Selvin gets tackled by pinky-tackles.
February 24, 2009
6:06 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
BigRedCelt, don't talk about the orange jerseys! I agree with you, we should wear the orange jerseys. Look what happened the two games we wore them last season. 2-0. Last time I mentioned the orange jerseys everyone was whining and complaining about how bad they looked, who cares! whatever wins us games.
February 24, 2009
6:09 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
topdog4350
Ever watch the A team? At the end they always said "I love it when a plan comes together.
February 24, 2009
6:11 p.m.
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topdog4350 writes:
6 is the new 7, that's what I was thinking. Wasn't sure anyone would get that. Would be nice to have an "A Team" on defense like we do on offense.
February 24, 2009
6:12 p.m.
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dehag24 writes:
Personally I would like to see us draft a what we need which is Defensive players and then later if he's still around pick up Shon Green from Iowa that guy is stout and would help us out in our short yardage and goal situations....just my thought
February 24, 2009
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gahoaglund writes:
I am with you on the orange!
February 24, 2009
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
dehag24
I'm from Iowa and even I don't really want Geene in the 2nd. He was good this year, but may have been one year wonder. If he was a 3rd rounder maybe.
February 24, 2009
6:20 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
I wonder if Denver will keep Pinnock? He is a big FB. Tatum and Torain and Boyd will be fighting for a starting spot.
My beef with bringing back orange jerseys is I just spent $118 on a Cutler jersey last season. I'm not going to wear any of my older orange jerseys as they are now memerobilia. I don't know how old everyone is but we were glad when Denver got rid of the orange uniforms. Now a younger generation is afoot (or those who were against the change from the start) and want orange again? If I wanted indecision I'd get a wife (no offense ladies).
February 24, 2009
6:27 p.m.
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dehag24 writes:
Hey 6, I was thinking 3rd or 4th before getting into the Offensive side of the ball....I think Turner will be able to find someone that would fit our needs on the 2nd day, I was just saying if he drops down that far then we should pick him up....you're from Iowa? which part?
February 24, 2009
6:31 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
N.W. By Sioux City.
February 24, 2009
6:32 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Dave, I'm 14 years old and so I'm a part of the young generation. We are changing just about everything in our organization so why not change the jerseys?
And $118.00 for a jersay is way to expensive. you can order them online for like $60.00
February 24, 2009
6:51 p.m.
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ArcticBronco writes:
Didn't detroit take the best availible player each year they picked a WR?
When you are not an elite team, fill your needs in my opinion. Of course we may fill a lot of needs in FA on defense and have more flexibility on the draft. I still see top 3 picks going D. Talking about a RB or another WR to stretch the field is ignoring need and going for wants. As far as offense goes, we would be better served to look at a Center to groom for a couple years or a Guard in the later rounds.
February 24, 2009
6:52 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
DrChris, not like mine you can't. I specially ordered it at a sports store, here in Vegas. It's double and triple stitched. The #'s are think and also stitched. It will last a lifetime. I have jerseys, sweaters and shirts, all current. In the older days we all wanted to get rid of the orange because it became a curse to the Broncos. Stay with what we have.
NO TO NEW, STAY WITH BLUE!
February 24, 2009
6:53 p.m.
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OrangeCrusher writes:
I've got the old orange 7 jersey, the blue ones, the white ones, the Champ, Cut, Lynch, heck I even have two Plummer jerseys haha, even an all orange leather coat that my mom got me for christmas a few years back. I rarely wear it though. I feel like I'm hunting. lol
BigRedCelt...I think we need a change also. All orange is too much? Maybe a good mix of blue and orange. Seems like way too much blue now? Anyways, I alwyas have more room in the closet for Bronco gear. I'm relaxing in the garage in my blue Bronco hoodie and cool Bronco sweats..haha I saw a Bly jersey on sale at kmart yesterday, CHEAP!
February 24, 2009
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dehag24 writes:
6 I'm in SW South Dakota....good to see all these different areas represented here
I have a Portis Authentic in Blue!!! anyone want to buy it?
February 24, 2009
7:04 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
ArcticBronco, someone mentioned on another blog when I brought up similar concerns at C, that they have been grooming Lichtensteiger to jump in when Casey retires? Not sure if accurate or not but it makes sense. McD already picked up another guard out of Colorado Buffulos, I believe in an offseason pick up, I believe? Matt McChesney, 6'4" and 307 lbs. he is in his 3rd year in the NFL. We have Pat Murray on the PS. he is in his 1st year. He is out of Truman State. We got him from Seattle. He is 6'3" and 310 lbs.
NO TO NEW, STAY WITH BLUE!
February 24, 2009
7:05 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Sioux Falls?
February 24, 2009
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Dynamicdave writes:
I have an old orange Denver Broncos sweatshirt (thick) with the old helmet on the front. Orange Crush days. I wear it on orange Sunday. I also have an official Broncos fan club shirt (orange).
NO TO NEW, STAY WITH BLUE!
February 24, 2009
7:13 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
DrChris, I'm in San Jose. How far is that from you? Hey 6, I was out in Iowa this summer and fall working, Indianola, Des Moines, and Burlington.
And I say YES to the Orange jerseys, I think they bring out a different type of energy to the games. Especially when we have a night game, and it's snowing....
February 24, 2009
7:14 p.m.
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dehag24 writes:
SW Rapid City...
No takers on the jersey??? LOL
I also have a mini helmet signed by TD and Elway...if anyone is interested...lol
February 24, 2009
7:16 p.m.
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Royal19 writes:
Dave,
Who is your college team? Judging from the players you like(Torain, Maualuga, Chung), I'd guess that you are a PAC-10 guy. Just curious.
February 24, 2009
7:17 p.m.
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dehag24 writes:
I like the orange but I also really like the all blue pants and all!!!! We need to do that in all orange!!!
February 24, 2009
7:19 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
RockyMts69, I told you to stop drinking that water in San Jose, ha, ha. Them earthquakes must have rattled you and you're not thinking clearly? Or them Raiders fans nearby are affecting your judgement, ha, ha. I'm fine with the current uniforms.
February 24, 2009
7:27 p.m.
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Royal19 writes:
By the way I'm in Austin, TX, and I vote Orange uniforms!
February 24, 2009
7:29 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Royal19, actually, I'm an Air Force Academy fan. My son graduated from there and is a test pilot at Edwards. I used to go to the games on a regular basis while living in the Springs. In Vegas (I've lived here for 12 years), I root for UNLV (Unless they play Air Force. My friends hate it). So as you see, I'm used to disappointment, ha ha.
February 24, 2009
7:34 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
The orange are forever a nostalgic look from now on. They got rid of them for a reason. They bring them back for orange Sundays as a gimmick, nothing more.
February 24, 2009
7:35 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
I'm pro-Orange , but my wife hated it when everything I wore was orange.
February 24, 2009
7:38 p.m.
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baylinorcrush writes:
All I know about the orange color, is the first year we went to blue, we won two super bowls in a row. I'm with DDave, blue it must stay, why go back to the color that never got us to the top. Us old guys must remember that clearly, I would imagine only the younger fans can overlook that fact.
February 24, 2009
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Royal19 writes:
Air Force Academy, that's cool. I'm sure you're a proud Dad. But I still disagree with on Pick 12! (I just had to throw that in there).
February 24, 2009
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dehag24 writes:
if nothing else we could all wear our orange jerseys and go out as a giant hunting party.....
SHHHH be vwery vwery qwuiet we're hunting Wivers haahaha
Poor poor poor Elmer Fudd....sorry guys
February 24, 2009
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Dynamicdave writes:
baylinorcrush, Amen.
February 24, 2009
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Royal19 writes:
baylinorcrush, the blue didn't get us our Superbowls, TD did.
February 24, 2009
7:48 p.m.
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baylinorcrush writes:
Royal 19, correct, while he was wearing blue.
February 24, 2009
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Be vwery vwery qwuiet. Ha Ha.
February 24, 2009
7:52 p.m.
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Royal19 writes:
baylinorcrush, OK, you got me there.
February 24, 2009
7:53 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
RockyMts69 I'm about 2 1/2 hours north of you. I've been down to San Jose a lot. lovely area.
February 24, 2009
8:24 p.m.
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Swick writes:
I agree with gahoaglund that you have to take the best player available in the 1st round(unless it's a big strength like OT or QB). We can fill the D with experienced FAs and 2nd round players on through 7th, but taking a player of need has backfired for Denver and many teams through the years(Marcus Nash, Willie Middlebrooks,etc...). If Moreno is the best player, then take him so the opposing D puts 8 in the box and the offense can start scoring and opening everything up. If there is a superior player to Moreno on D and there's a skilled RB to be had down the way, then take the better D player 1st. The 1st round is not the place to be taking a player based solely on need if he's not a future sure fire pro bowler. We don't need this year's Vernon Gholston when we could have the next LT. None of us really know how good these players are and how they project to our system so I'm just saying I wouldn't freak if Denver picked Moreno or even the best CB if that's the best player who was there. I'm for trading back a few spots and accumulating a pick or 2 but what do I know. (my comment on the article):Torain may be a decent backup, but his durability is a huge issue no matter how much talent he has.:
February 24, 2009
8:30 p.m.
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Royal19 writes:
Swick, amen brother!
February 24, 2009
8:35 p.m.
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BigRedCelt writes:
Had to take a break to hit the gym. Ya know I'm proud to say that at 46 I can outlift and run the 20 somethings out of the gym.....they don't see me running for Advil at 2 am, but that's OK....LOL
I guess I'd be classified as an old guy. I was against the uniform change from the start. I like the current unis I just want my Broncos in orange. The new orange jerseys. I do like the all blue. To the guy that mentioned all orange..uh that would be bit much.
I'm glad to see we are addressing this rather serious subject of uniforms and gotten away from the silly stuff like, who to draft and pick up in free agency.
DD...LOL...the tag lines killing me. I've lived here in the Springs my whole life accept college.
February 24, 2009
8:42 p.m.
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myerda00 writes:
Sorry for being late, President address you know.
nmbronco1,rockymts69, and dynamicdave, party time at the 4MB, I’m so there!
Guys, I have read a lot about how certain players played last year. Lets wipe that out because that’s how the coaches wanted it. CB playing 10 yards off the ball. LB dropping 10 off the snap. Also, references to previous draft tendencies are no longer valid. Admit it, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY WILL DO.
For those that were on IR, "You can't make the club if you're in the tub." -- Rod Smith
Lets talk Josh Barrett – He can control the TE’s of our division, Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, and Heath Miller. He showed that in an excellent game against KC. What is needed is a FS.
As reported by Profootball “Keith Kidd hired by the Broncos as their pro scouting director. Kidd has spent the past five years working for Scouts Inc., which evaluates players for ESPN.” VERY INTERESTING and we had little faith on the evaluation process. Is this Good or Bad? One philosophy needs to be intact “do not reach for a need necessarily; draft the best player that can make an impact”.
With the Michael Crabtree and Andre Smith issues the top 15 changed. Bronco selection at #12 in order now is Aaron Curry (2), Malcolm Jenkins (4), BJ Raji (7), Everette Brown (8), Brian Orakpo (12), Brian Cushing (15), Rey Maualuga (17). AND after the combine these may change again. I really like a previous blogger’s statement, “mock draft is ridiculous because until after FA, no one will know which team is after what player.”
Which ILB fits in McDaniel’s defensive system? Is it Maualuga’s explosiveness or Laurinaitis’ discipline?
I like James Laurinaitis because he reminds me of another All-American LB from Ohio State, Randy Gradishar. An inside linebackers who could handle multiple responsibilities such as blitzing, dropping into pass coverage and handling the run. Also the hamstring by Maualuga has to change some minds as to health.
Just seen, 02/22 7:30pm NFL Combine with Coach Gruden and Coach Mariucci just had a discussion about value at RB. They stated that if you have a shot at an impact RB, take him because the NFL life span for RB’s is only 6-8 years. Compare that to all other positions and they span out to 10-15 years. Does this mean that an RB in the 2nd is out of bounds? IMO YEP
February 24, 2009
8:52 p.m.
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OrangeCrusher writes:
Ok, you heard it here first. We are going to move........up in the draft!!! Oh, yeah. Watch and see guys and gals. Trading up to #4. The Great JM is not going to let BJ slip away.
February 24, 2009
8:57 p.m.
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Swick writes:
What'd you think of the address Myerda00? Some of it was unicorns and rainbows, but for the most part I liked it. Jindal's response was not so great, both in substance and his fake laughing delivery. I think the Republicans need to let more clear minded politicians like FL's Charlie Christ speak for them if they want to gain any ground. (Sorry to any offended who thought this was a football blog. I couldn't help myself.)
February 24, 2009
9:03 p.m.
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BigRedCelt writes:
And swick ruins it by bringing up personell again.
Priority needs to be defensive front 7. Pressure creates turnovers and the best defensive back can't cover NFL recievers for 5 secs. Nobody would have predicted Nash to be the bust he was. He was rated pretty high that year. And, again, Denver did not NEED a WR. The Middlebrooks pick was just plain stupid. It may have been a NEED position, but don't waste a high pick on a guy with injury issues like he had. He was not rated very high at all and left all the experts going...huh.
The thing is Denver can address NEED in this draft without it being a reach pick.
February 24, 2009
9:05 p.m.
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OrangeCrusher writes:
Swick, Dude..??? what jindahudapoliticialaughingbullschmack? C'mon bro...stay Bronco.
February 24, 2009
9:07 p.m.
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myerda00 writes:
Swick, I watch to try and keep up. I do no politics here.
OC, are you willing to move to #4 (value 1800) from #12 (value 1200) and give up our #48 (value 420) and our # 79 (195) for BJ Raji?
He would have to be a mighty big impact player. Will you guarantee this? Plus it will cost about $12-$16 million guarantee signing bonus.
WHOA, how about now?
February 24, 2009
9:17 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
No! We cannot give up that much for one guy,c'mon. There are others players besides him. If he falls to us great, otherwise, move on.
February 24, 2009
9:22 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
What I want to know is; How does one gauge what next years #1 is worth for trade value? How high of a #1 this year could we get for next years #1?
February 24, 2009
9:23 p.m.
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Cutler6 writes:
Denver isn't drafting any offensive player at 12, and trust me who or wherever some said heard that Moreno is the best available player of any of the players at 12 is totally off their rocker. Moreno, will go between 17-24, at most you watch.
February 24, 2009
9:23 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Swick, I'm sorry, I mistook my crystal ball for a bowling ball and broke it (just kidding around), but where is it written that Moreno is a guaranteed Pro bowler? It's not. Just opinion, as are ours. He could totally fail. He is proven in college just as Maualuga and Laurainitis and Chung are. Nothing different. I'm not going to keep going round and round with all of you guys who have RB on the brain when our D was last in the league and the Broncos just cut a large amount of defensive players that will need replacing. He will do some FA but not as much as you would think. He already said as much. That leaves the draft to fill those spots. If you want to trust a late round MLB pick to come in and dominate, good luck on that. I'll let the draft speak for itself. You DON'T take the 1st player available in Denver's situation. They DIDN'T cut all those defensive players to go out and draft a RB in the 1st round. That would be dumb on their part. You guys keep speaking of picking everybody up through FA? He already stated that his main mission is to build through the DRAFT. FA has proven to be a temporary band-aid. Most FA that are available are either too expensive or damaged goods. I will stand by my choice and belief, but I won't continue to beat a dead horse for 2 more months. Let the draft show the light. Also, football is what I talk about guys, not politics our religion. My religion is the "National Foundation of Life" or better put, the NFL. In conclusion, a coach on TV can say what they want (or ex-coach) about RB's and the draft. They have their way, another coach has his. We have no real clue of what McD has planned, but his earlier moves gives an idea of his priority, defense.
February 24, 2009
9:35 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
Thank you for your support on Laurinaitis Mydera! Some people think I'm crazy (because of the water I drink :)), but I'm telling ya HE'S A SLEEPER PICK! Raji has some baggage attached to him, and Maualuga is over hyped! Besides Polamalu and Tatupu, can anyone honestly tell me a defensive player from USC that has made a significant impact in the NFL?
I'm not busting USC. They're a great ball club, but I feel most of the players that come out of there are a bust. Leinhart is a great example! I know Bush and Palmer have been hurt, but really they have'nt shown anything!
I do like Chung though DD....
February 24, 2009
9:43 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Dave, who do you have in mind for us to take with the #12 pick? All you've done is say it would be dumb to take a running back with the #12 pick. You say to go defense in the first round, who do you want. We have many holes that need to be filled defensively, you have yet managed not to say which position we should use our #12 pick on. We have many defensive needs and only one offensive need. If we were to draft Moreno there would be no hole that needs to be filled on offense so we would be able to focus our last 8 picks on defense.
February 24, 2009
9:44 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Phil. has two. N.E. will have two once they trade Cassell. Say we draft Rey at 12 and then want Brace who is moving up fast. Indy takes Jerry and next on the board is Brace. We have nothing to offer BUT next years #1. I think we would have to jump in before Arizona, so Philly's 2nd pick. A #28. Think they would do it?
February 24, 2009
9:47 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
DD, by the way...I love Fisher DeBerry days! Falcon football is one of the best! And tell your son I said "thank you" for his service. Better yet, "THANK YOU" to all of you that have served! You guys are AWESOME!!!
February 24, 2009
9:49 p.m.
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Swick writes:
I'd like to see Denver trade down and get Moreno because of all the LB depth. Looks like there will be good LBs through the first few rounds and we know there are a lot of holes that could be filled with extra picks. I'm not saying Moreno is a guarantee or that we shouldn't take D with the 1st pick. I'm saying someone besides all of us knows that better than us and if they see fit to pick Moreno or whatever I wouldn't argue with them. We'll probably take a LB unless Raji makes an unlikely slide. I just saw some impressive footage on NFL.com of Moreno yesterday and started thinking that maybe a star RB to keep our D off the field wouldn't be so bad while all these young defenders learn the complex 3-4. He might not be that star. I'm just playing devil's advocate. (And you'll hear no more politics from me here. I just saw Myerda mention he watched the speech and thought I'd ask his view.)
February 24, 2009
9:55 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Swick, don't be so harsh on yourself. I enjoy a good conversation about politics every now and then.
February 24, 2009
10:02 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
Swick, Jindal's response would have been more receptive if he had been wearing an ORANGE jersey!!! Haha!
February 24, 2009
10:08 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
DrChris, I've said many times who I like at 12. Maualuga. If not then get Laurainitis. I would truthfully be happy with either. I want Chung in the 2nd. Go NT in the 3rd. I saw some good names in there in the top 100 picks. But as Denis Leary said "I wanted to be the starting center fielder of the Boston Red Sox. Life s*cks, get a helmet."
RockyMts69, thanks. I'm very proud of my boy. I tried to make him proud of me, but he just keeps surprising me with his awesome dedication and focus. He's smart like his dad, thank God he looks like his mother.
February 24, 2009
10:10 p.m.
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Cutler6 writes:
I will give you five players that Broncos will potentially draft-Raji,Malauga,Orkapo,Maybin,Lauranitis, Cushing, Everette Brown and Boy would it be a great miracle if Curry could drop to us (not going to happen). But all the above players over the life of their college carriers (not just hwo fast they are or how strong) are equal to or better prospects than any running back you would get at 12. Also, the shelf life of a prime running back is about 3-5 years, where a defense player (barring a severe injury either way) is about 7-10 years. And oh by the way, if any of you watched the broncos this year which I think you did, our defense wasn't just bad it was horrrrible. RB will be drafted I would say 4th round or lower.
February 24, 2009
10:14 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
O.K. I'll check tomorrow to see if anyone answered my question. Later.
February 24, 2009
10:17 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Dave, sorry if my comment was offensive, I was caught up in the moment. I only want Moreno if we can't trade down. I think Philadelphia will probably be the best option to trade with because they may be looking for a WR like Crabtree that may be available at #12. If we get another second rounder, we can get Chung and hopefully Phillips in the third. If we have two second rounders we can get Chung and a NT. Kevin Barnes is going to be a steal for us in this years draft. The kid can just flat out play football. He chas great coverage skills, he's fast, he can tackle and has great awareness.
February 24, 2009
10:18 p.m.
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Ringneck1 writes:
Anybody see any value in Jim Leonhard, S, Ravens? He is undersized for a S but a playmaker and adds value as a PR, maybe easing the demands on Eddie.
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February 24, 2009
10:19 p.m.
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BigRedCelt writes:
I want to see whoever is determined to be the best ILB at #12. Maualuga or Laurenitais would be great. Would love the possibilty of adding another #1 and get another LB or address the d-line and then Chung in the 2nd. Raji wil be gone by #12. I was not totally sold on the guy due to attitude, but seeing the guy during the combine was pretty amazing. He'll be gone though.
February 24, 2009
10:21 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Cutler6, take Raji off that list. He is a 4-3 DT and with the switch to a 3-4 he would have no use here.
February 24, 2009
10:22 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
6_is_the_new_7, I'm not sure I'm following you? If we take Maualuga, we would need to give up a later draft and a future draft for maybe another 2nd. Or trade a player and a later draft round for another late 1st or early 2nd.
February 24, 2009
10:23 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Well, I'm done for the night. Won't be able to blog tomorrow because I'm going to a play called "Wicked" in San Fransisco so talk to y'all on thursday.
February 24, 2009
10:27 p.m.
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oc60 writes:
Great discussion and everyone has valid points even though I'm late, here's my 2cents worth; In most cases I think you have to draft best available over need.
However, the situation facing the Broncos is 100% on the DEFENSIVE side. So I think McD will draft for need unless one of the following players should fall to #12 than you have to take best available or trade out for more picks:
1. BJ Raji
2. Aaron Curry
3. Malcom Jenkins
4. Vantae Davis
5. Michael Crabtree
6. Chris Wells
(e.g. example only)
My vote Blue is cool!
February 24, 2009
10:28 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
DrChris, no offense was ever taken. I'm good. I just don't want to contemplate debating the RB -vs- D player for 2 months. It would fry my brain.
Ringneck1, not real familiar with Leonhard? Let me read up on him and see his stats. But if he adds PR to his resume, I agree, he is a reason to consider. Royal needs to be protected and kept fresh as much as possible.
February 24, 2009
10:33 p.m.
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oc60 writes:
Addendum to previous post: I do believe we have to draft a RB between 4th to 7th round. Hillis and Bell are locks but Torain has to prove he can stay healthy. I hope he can make it but I think the odds are against him making.
February 24, 2009
10:36 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
oc60, what, no Maualuga or Laurainitis? BJ will be gone and as someone explained earlier, he played a 4-3, not a 3-4 and he may not fit the bill. I have to keep remembering also, that other teams may want Denver's 12 spot and they may bypass Maualuga for Laurainitis later? Or maybe another team may want Maualuga and Denver picks him up to trade for the other teams pick and another 2nd? Who knows? Only the Shadow knows for sure. Ha, ha.
NO TO NEW, STAY WITH BLUE!
February 24, 2009
10:37 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Dave, you asked on a different article,Yes, I'm 14. I'm a freshman at Clear Lake High School. I've loved the Broncos since the fourth grade. I'm kind of the weird one of the family. Everyone else in my family likes baseball and have no clue about football but I know a lot about football but I don't know anything about baseball.
February 24, 2009
10:43 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
DrChris, wise for your age, young man, wise for your age.
February 24, 2009
10:47 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
ORANGE IS THE NEW BLUE Dave!!! Orange reminds of a sunset, something you mix with vodka, a girl that I met at the Palomino Club one nite, and, oh yeah, my F.R. shirts....
LOL!!!!!
February 24, 2009
10:48 p.m.
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Cutler6 writes:
DrChris you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, you obviously haven't done your research. On the contrary,Raji is exactly a 3-4 DT at 334lbs. He can play both but prototypical 3-4 DT. Here this will help you with your facts.
http://walterfootball.com/pro2009bjra...
February 24, 2009
10:58 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
Yeah, but Cutler6, Raji has a little baggage, aka an attitude. Plus he's had some academic problems in school, which makes me question his character...
February 24, 2009
11:09 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Cutler6, yeah I retract my earlier comment to a degree, but I still think he may be a ? mark. It says he SHOULD be able to play a 3-4, that he would fit in, but it doesn't say he HAS played a 3-4. I don't think he'll be around for Denver though so it's a moot point. Maualuga, Maualuga, Maualuga.
RockyMts69, I've noticed you've been online a lot earlier these past 2 days? Work slowed down? What's up? Shoot me an email. Oh, and blue is the color of the sky and the oceans and your nads after a night at the Palomino Club, ha, ha.
By the way everyone, God is a Broncos fan. That's why he makes the skies blue and the sunsets orange.
February 24, 2009
11:15 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
Haha Dave...workin' on some new material for the Improv I see! :)
I've sent you a couple e-mails lately, have you gotten anything?
As far as work, we're in a lull, but in March we're supposed to get hot and heavy again.
February 24, 2009
11:22 p.m.
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Swick writes:
I'll say it too DrChris. Good choice choosing football over baseball. It's more physical, full of strategy, more exciting, and has better steroid testing policies. It's our #1 sport for a lot of reasons. I probably offended somebody with that. Too bad, this is a football blog for fans of real athletes that don't stand around waiting all game for something to come their way. Now I've really offended somebody. Some of my closest friends watch baseball and I watched a few World Series back in the day, but it's as exciting as Nascar and fishing. More fun to do than watch.
February 24, 2009
11:30 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
What's that Dave...you said you we should have the Broncos Blog party at the Palomino Club...? Excellent choice! :) Kind of hard to pay attention to the game, but I like your way of thinking outside the box. Free lap dances after every Denver TD!
February 24, 2009
11:33 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Swick, ha, ha, that was good. Yeah, some of us have been atheletes of one sort or another. Some as a profession, some as a hobby and some as a lifetime commitment (that would be me in regards to martial arts). Then there are those who play golf and call it a sport? I know many like golf but I would rather watch the cooking show as opposed to golf. At least cooking shows would give me an appetite. Golf just gives me a headache. I love to fish because I eat what I catch. Besides, I can sit in a chair and drink beers while doing it.
February 24, 2009
11:36 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Meant athletes. Typo.
RockyMts69, yeah, uh huh. And everyone had better bring at least $500 in their pocket to pay the girls.
February 24, 2009
11:44 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Swick, thanks for the compliment.
Cutler6, like Dave said, he doesn't have much experience playing in a 3-4. I'm not saying he can't, I'm just saying he's not a custom to it. Anyway, Raji will probably be gone by #12 so don't get your hopes up.
February 24, 2009
11:51 p.m.
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Swick writes:
I know not to cross the line with you now Dave. You should've warned us you were a lethal weapon. Closest thing to fishing I do is surfing. It's kind of similar. You sit around a while waiting for the right one. It comes, you ride it and then you sit around waiting again. It can get much more physical than that especially getting back out or fighting the drift, but I can kind of see the Zen of fishing when comparing the two.
February 24, 2009
11:52 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
And Dave, when Jesus was nailed to the cross he was bleeding ORANGE and BLUE. LOL
February 25, 2009
12:29 a.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Swick, ha, ha. Yeah, studied since I was 15. Tai Chi Chuan (Chen style). In the military (Special Forces, Airborne) I studied Taekwondo for 10 years as well as specialized military training. I continued my training after the military and was an instructor at Karate for Kids for 10 years. I sold the studio in Sept. of last year (the studio carries on). I still volunteer my time to teach martial arts to kids in gangs, involved with drugs, broken homes, etc. It is part of the OJJDP program in Vegas. Teaches them respect and discipline. I've been doing this for about 3 years now.
DrChris, like Father like Son. They gave us the gift to do these things. It must mean that football is appreciated? (Hope nobodies offended by our little roll, here?)
February 25, 2009
12:33 a.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Swick, never surfed. But, I thought it might be fun to try. I cliff climb and occasionally take a flight out at the North Las Vegas airport and skydive. Surfing sounds too dangerous... You know, sharks....
February 25, 2009
3:45 a.m.
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gahoaglund writes:
RockyMts69 writes:
"Maualuga is over hyped! Besides Polamalu and Tatupu, can anyone honestly tell me a defensive player from USC that has made a significant impact in the NFL?"
UMM....YES!!
Ronnie Lott, Duane Bickett, Junior Seau, Dennis Thurman, Rod Martin, Clay Matthews, Joey Browner, Willie McGinest, Jack Del Rio, Jason Sehorn, Al Cowlings, and a couple of Broncos... Steve Busick, and Dennis Smith. Hows that for honesty dude?
February 25, 2009
4:37 a.m.
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HIGH writes:
as much as i want torrain to recover and be a great pro for the broncos do you people realize he ran against the CLEAVLAND garbage BROWNS. its not like he put up a great game either. by the way cleavland isnt the steelers or for that fact the chargers. dont be so excited watching a player play against a garbage defense like the browns had last year. bring back olandis gary. im sure he couldve done just as good as torrain against that awful browns defense.
February 25, 2009
5:35 a.m.
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Juice writes:
Hey, guys... I live in Arizona. I have watched Torain run at ASU. He is a stud. He is like T Davis in that he did miss some time with nagging injuries. So, he hasn't been pounded on much over his career... he has a lot left. Like Davis, if he avoids injury... he will be very good.
February 25, 2009
6:57 a.m.
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awhite411 writes:
Torain has been injury prone. I don't think this is good for the team, and I would get rid of him.
February 25, 2009
7:04 a.m.
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7Dave7 writes:
I think everyone around here is operating under the assumption that it is a high probability that our 1st pick will likely be a bust. There's a new sheriff in town and I have confidence he'll do the right thing right away, and that is draft our needs on DEFENSE! Our offense did enough to win more games even with all the injuries at RB but had no defense to compliment them. WE NEED DEFENSE.....and #15 to hold onto the ball in the red zone!
February 25, 2009
7:32 a.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
awhite411, since when do we care what a Raiders fan thinks?
February 25, 2009
8:30 a.m.
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awhite411 writes:
The typical over sensitive Coloradoan....just because one gives constructive criticism opinions on this blog does not mean they are not a fan. This guy has been riddled with injuries in college and has followed it to the pro level. Some bodies were not meant to play the game of football. By the way I am a Broncos Fan!
February 25, 2009
9:25 a.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
awhite411, you're one of the only ones who thinks they should get rid of Torain. And I live in Vegas, not Colorado, for over 13 years. Your comment wasn't constructive, it was bashing. 7 RB's went down last year. Pittman has been hurt before, so has Boyd. Tatum too. Hillis got hurt, should we cut them, as well? Point is, if Torain goes down again, I'm sure that McD will get rid of him. If not, he has the potential to be special. I say give him a chance. You get bent over backwards on your leg and see how your knee holds up? Like Hillis, it was a freak injury.
February 25, 2009
10:40 a.m.
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BroncoJones writes:
I would like to see us keep both Torain and Hillis. They are young and have proven that they can run hard, and be effective. With all of the needs on our team, we need to concentrate our efforts elsewhere.
February 25, 2009
11:20 a.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
gahoaglund, maybe I should have clarified myself a little better. No big deal though...Ronnie Lott, Junior Seau, Marcus Allen, Sehorn, we can go on and on. All of those players were in a class of thier own. Awesome football players!!!
But here in the past couple of years is what I should have said, or maybe since 2003. Lendale White, no way! Lienhart? I like Reggie Bush, but he has'nt been the break out player that everyone predicted him to be. And for Palmer, between getting hurt, having a couple of knuckle heads for WR, and playing for the Bengals, it's hard to say...
You forgot to mention O.J.... :)
February 25, 2009
11:55 a.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
And I failed to mention Matt Cassell. Which we all know he has a bright future ahead of him in the NFL!
But for players such as Justin Fargas, Frostee Rucker, Darnell Bing, Mike Patterson, and Keary Colbert, they just have'nt been very significant in my opinion.
February 25, 2009
5:59 p.m.
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Swick writes:
That's great what you do to help out the troubled youth Dave. Much respect. I've come across a few sharks. A 10ft Bullshark was headed right for me and I paddled in faster than a speedboat. I've also felt one come close and turn around as soon as it realized I wasn't food(big push of water and swirls on the surface right next to me). I think we give off a different charge than the food they're used to. That's what I keep telling myself at least.
February 25, 2009
6:32 p.m.
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canesnick writes:
The only time we've seen Torain he did a good job...yeah the injury issue is a concern, but he deserves a chance...let's not go crazy and start cutting rookies after their first injury!!! If he keeps getting hurt or doesn't produce then it would be worth a discussion, but maybe after nice long rehab in the offseason he will come back healthy. I would hate to see a good player get cut too early, and it's not like we have too much money committed to him, he was a late round pick! Relax!
February 25, 2009
7:05 p.m.
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RedneckBronco writes:
So much for argument over drafting Moreno at 12th. Isn't KC drafting far infront of us? Did KC not cut tie with LJ? Isn't Moreno the best rated RB in this draft? If you answer yes to all 3, gone is Knowshone. Nobody wins except for this Redneck ... LOL.
Anyway, I really think McD and X-Man will be all over D players and we might not see an O until late rounds. As for UFA, can someone comment on Gibril Wilson? Is he worth a look and perhaps money? I thought that guy is more than a decent safety, is he not?
February 25, 2009
7:33 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
RedneckBronco, according to Internet information, Wilson signed a 6 year, 39 million deal with the Raiders in 2008.
February 25, 2009
7:43 p.m.
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RedneckBronco writes:
Yes DD, but he was waived a few days ago.
February 25, 2009
7:46 p.m.
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RedneckBronco writes:
Based on the info below, he seems to be a pretty good safety.
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Professional career
New York Giants
He was drafted by the New York Giants in the fifth round of the 2004 NFL Draft, with whom he later won Super Bowl XLII. In his four years with the team, he started 51 of 52 games, recording 360 tackles, six sacks, and 11 interceptions.
Oakland Raiders
In 2008, Wilson signed a six-year $39 million contract with the Oakland Raiders, making him one of the highest paid safeties in NFL history.
After only one season with the team, Wilson was released by the Raiders on February 20, 2009. He finished the season with 129 tackles, 1.5 sacks, and two interceptions.
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February 25, 2009
7:56 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
DD
Question. What if we get a FA MLB? Would you still be gung ho for Rey? Also, the trade thing you keep mentioning of our extra 5th and next years 3rd for another 2nd doesn't work. It would take this years 4th and next years 2nd to get a high 2nd this year while keeping our current 2nd. Are you still sure you'ld want to do that? Or do we just hope Chung falls to us?
February 25, 2009
8:09 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
RedneckBronco, thanks for the info. I think he will want too much money.
6_is_the_new_7, it depends on the age of the player in FA. If he's 30 or older, yes, get another MLB and sign the FA to a 2 year contract with incentives. Stop with all the money after the player is cut. Stop with obscene amount of guaranteed money. If we have to give up a future, so be it. We need 2 2nds. Keep in mind that trades by other teams come about during the draft. Some team might get Chung because that's what fell their way but didn't want to take a late 2nd rounder in an earlier pick (money). Many scenarios could happen. We may trade a player on our current roster together with a late round pick for Chung if he's taken. It depends on the needs of another team.