Broncos free agents brace for change
By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published February 24, 2009 at 11:24 p.m.
Updated February 25, 2009 at 8:40 a.m.
Which position should the Broncos target with their first pick in the draft?
The Broncos have informed their players who are scheduled to become unrestricted free agents they will be allowed to enter the market and won't be re-signed before the league's shopping spree begins Thursday night.
Most, if not all, of those players won't return, regardless of price, though there have been some talks between the team and defensive lineman Kenny Peterson.
The rest of the group about to hit the market includes running backs Tatum Bell and Michael Pittman, defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban, safety Marlon McCree, cornerback Karl Paymah, linebacker Nate Webster, receivers Darrell Jackson and Edell Shepherd and tight end Jeb Putzier.
"I want to come back to Denver if they want my services. But I want them to want me back," said Pittman, who noted he has fully recovered from a neck injury that cut short his 2008 season. "There's no hard feeling either way."
Pittman added he appreciated new general manager Brian Xanders calling him to apprise him of the situation.
Paymah, a 2005 draft pick who has shuttled between nickel and dime roles for four seasons, was told when he recently bumped into new coach Josh McDaniels there's interest in Paymah's potential return.
And with the new staff coming to Denver, Paymah said, "It's definitely something you want to be a part of."
But there's the business side to consider, and Paymah has goals he wants to attain.
"I'm definitely a starter. It's my time to be 'the guy,' " he said.
The Broncos, who are expected to be active in free agency, are well-positioned on the salary cap to begin restocking their roster and will focus heavily on the defensive side.
The team currently has about $35 million of cap room. That total, though, doesn't factor in player incentives previously earned or that weren't reached. Denver also will have to save at least $5 million for its rookie pool and is considering possible new deals with receiver Brandon Marshall and center Casey Wiegmann.
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February 24, 2009
11:46 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Nice to know those garbage players wont be back, except for Pittman, he showed good heart and leadership to this team
February 24, 2009
11:53 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
And Tatum. I thought he looked good. Bye, bye, D. Jackson. Bye, bye, Paymah.
February 24, 2009
11:59 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Tatum looked really good. He wasn't even at full speed and he looked that good. I think if he does stay on the team he's going to be a change of pace guy, I don't see him starting with Hillis and Torain on the team.
February 25, 2009
12:16 a.m.
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ZonaBroncoFan writes:
Pittman was a great third down back and had a great additude but Hillis has the same ability to get those tuff yards.
February 25, 2009
12:34 a.m.
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curoma writes:
Knowshon Moreno! That's the guy we should get at 12 IF nobody will deal with us to pick up another couple picks in a trade down.
There's so much quality on the defensive side in the draft, If that guys there McD will take him.
February 25, 2009
12:39 a.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
curoma, read some of my other posts in regards to a RB in the 1st. Won't happen. Denver needs to address the D and the new 3-4. It won't happen by getting a RB in the 1st. God, I hope I'm right because my fellow Broncos pals will never let me forget it if I'm wrong, ha, ha.
February 25, 2009
1:17 a.m.
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cdmdenver writes:
TIME FOR CHANGE...YOU DON'T PRODUCE YOUR OUT!!!
February 25, 2009
2:54 a.m.
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vieng111 writes:
No way, no how, and no running backs in the first 3-4 rounds.
I don't care if it's Reggie Bush or Adrian Peterson (you know what I mean) that has fallen' to the 12th spot, we are NOT taking anyone besides a defensive player.
We already have Thunder (Hillis) & Lightning (Torain) and several other options at running back. Major concern is on the defense.
And, don't give me the argument of the best available player either. If Mathew Stafford falls to 12, we better not take another QB. That's exactly my point, we do NOT need that position. Think defense. Many positions of need.
One more day until FA. Bob, who's the next contestant on The Price is Right?
February 25, 2009
3:43 a.m.
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gman4013 writes:
So what you're saying Curoma is the Broncos should draft a position in the first round that they already have handled, and wait to take care of the most glaring needs later. The Broncos can't be, and won't be selfish in this draft. I will be surprised if they draft more than two offensive players, and will be even more surprised if one of them is in the first three picks they have.
February 25, 2009
4:15 a.m.
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oc60 writes:
NEVER SAY NEVER; but Dynamicdave I have to agree no way we draft a RB in the 1st round. But with the results of the combine I think the quality of the first 10 picks have changed drastically. It will have a spiraling affect on the 12th pick and I for one believe Broncos should trade out of #12 for more picks or improve our 2nd round by move up at least 8-spots by swapping 1st round picks. NT or LBers will still be available at 20 to 25.
February 25, 2009
4:30 a.m.
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jmgswarman writes:
I know it is obvious to say, but the importance is quality. Denver must bring in quality players on the defensive side of the ball. It worries me when people start talking about bringing in veterans for their leadership qualities like Brian Dawkins or Ray Lewis. Forget that…If Denver are really serious about playing the 3-4 and committing to it for the foreseeable future they need to focus on finding the right type of defensive lineman, quick athletic linebackers, a physical safety and (lastly) an adequate corner.
I do not agree that cornerback is one of the crucial positions on the field…and I am bewildered that the secondary of all things, seems to be the primary priority. Our defensive front is what needs to improve first, you actually don’t know what kind of secondary you have until you have linemen that can pressure the QB and at least limit the run.
That said, BRONCO GRIFF I like the sound of your secondary (Champ, McFadden, Bell, Chung) a lot…(I especially like the idea of going after Chung…who seems a good fit…maybe a new Dennis Smith) and I also like the idea I’ve seen on a few discussion boards of trading a few draft picks next year to receive further picks this year so that we can totally clean house and rebuild.
If we can get a nose tackle through the draft or FA (BJ?), get the best out of Kenny Petersen, get a big nasty DE in FA…(anyone have any suggestions) convert Doom into a 3-4 LB and then pick up that secondary, I really like our chances next year…despite the schedule. I say this because picking up the right type of linebacker to compliment DJ and a converted Doom should be pretty straightforward (plenty of choices in a draft deep in linebacking quality) and because our offence with a bit of tweaking, could be absolutely awesome. Hillis and Torain, if they are healthy and stay healthy, compliment each other nicely, and Cutler is not one of the most promising QB’s in the league, aside from Manning, he is already the best with Brady out IMO.
But please, god, let them focus on rebuilding the defensive front as a number one priority. Anyone know if we have a realistic chance of getting Patrick Chung? Any thoughts on what I’ve written?
February 25, 2009
5:20 a.m.
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Juice writes:
I agree with DynamicDave...we do not need a RB. I thing if Moreno falls to 12, Denver will trade it and move back with at least one extra pick.
February 25, 2009
5:29 a.m.
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BroncoBrad writes:
As much as everyone talks about the LB position, I honestly don't see us drafting a LB in this draft. We currently have DWil, Woodyard, Larsen, Boss, J Moss and Doom that will be playing LB this season. I see us picking up a LB in free agency, but they will be a reserve and likely play on special teams. I think the coaches want to see what Moss and Doom can do at LB. If they can play, D Will will likely go back to MLB with Larsen. That will leave us with Doom, Moss, and Boss on the outside.
The draft will be used to stockpile D Linemen to pair up with Thomas and Crowder. I think we will draft one or two safeties, but primarily d-line. I also see us drafting a WR to take over for Stokley at some point.
This is why we are going after the secondary in free agency. We can address the D-line in the draft and our LB's should not be the concern. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see some of the great LB's in the draft playing in Orange and Blue, I don't see us taking one this year unless it is in the 3rd or 4th round. Our first few picks will be up front or in the secondary if there is a great player there in the second or third round.
I am honestly surprised they are not going to keep Putzier. I thought they would keep Jeb and keep Graham back more for an extra blocker. Imagine Jeb, Scheff, Marshall and Royal lining up together. Can anyone stop that?
I can't believe Paymah thinks he is a starter. I haven't seen anything from that guy the entire time he was here that would lead me to believe he is capable of being a starter. He hasn't even played well as a reserve. I am still blown away why Shanny thought so highly of him. Between him and Webster, those would have been the first two to get their walking papers and never looked back upon.
I also thought we would keep either Bell or Pittman to pair up with Hillis and Torain. I didn't see us keeping Selvin Young. I thought he would be cut.
I am starting to get really excited for Friday. I can't contain myself. Too long until the draft though. I can't wait!
February 25, 2009
5:53 a.m.
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piano3 writes:
This draft is heavy with talented linebackers. I'll bet the Broncos take more than a few.
February 25, 2009
6:28 a.m.
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bronco_fan_no_matter_how_painful writes:
broncobrad - no doubt on the Paymah comment; he is garbage...he couldn't cover his own shadow. Several of you have pointed out how many guys we have a LB, but really outside of DJ all you have is two guys switching position (Doom/Moss), two undrafted FA's that did show a lot of promise (Woodyard/Larsen), and a career injury guys (Bailey). Were any of these guys true standouts last year? No They aren't bad players, in fact have great potential upside but if there are better guys in the draft you HAVE TO take them. Expect a LB in the first round and maybe two others during the draft. Safety in round 2 (unless Chung is gone then it might be Shonn Green from Iowa)
I am a little sorry to see Bell go but to me that says that we will draft a RB and relatively high. There is no way that McD goes into the season with his "starting" running back being two 2nd year guys coming off of injuries. Torain and Hillis may still win the starting jobs, but you better plan on seeing some competition for them...
wheeeeeeeeeeee!!!! I love this time of year!
February 25, 2009
6:44 a.m.
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7Dave7 writes:
Paymah - " I'm definately a starter. It's my turn to be the guy."
That's the funniest thing I've heard since Travis Henry saying he uses condoms! If he was "the guy", they wouldn't let him test the market. He's been given plenty of oportunities and we all could see he was another bad pick! Bye bye Paymah.
February 25, 2009
6:58 a.m.
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awhite411 writes:
Pittman is a Stud. Hard working Brawler. They should keep him. Hopefully someone else won't pick him up. Pittman the White Hope sounds good in the backfield.
February 25, 2009
7:31 a.m.
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IAbronco writes:
Pamah is a funny guy... HAHAHAHAHAHA!! You have to adimire his intestinal fortitude because you can't admire his DB skills.
February 25, 2009
7:38 a.m.
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The_KIMN_Chicken writes:
Yeah I agree Paymah stinks, if he did come back he'd fight for the last spot but never a starter... if he does end up our starter we're screwed.
But above all else as long as Nate Webster isn't back then I'm a happy man. Oh, and Prater... My two least favorite Broncos in the last decade.
February 25, 2009
8 a.m.
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Ringneck1 writes:
Paymah - " I'm definately a starter. It's my turn to be the guy."
Uh, no. your time to be the guy was last year when our corners were giving 10-15 yard cushions and still getting torched. If you wanted to be the guy, you should have stepped up before we traded for Bly. See ya.
This is an excellent sign the new guys might have a clue - no fascinations with Paymah and Webster and an understanding of the general lack of talent on the roster.
And if Denver is even considering foxworth in FA, why? What did he contribute after a decent rookie season? Except parlaying his rookie year and speaking ability into a teflon-like relationship with the media, I mean. My lasting vision of Fox is getting turned and twisted around by someones 3rd reciever, who inevitably ends up wide open for a first down. No thanks.
February 25, 2009
8:01 a.m.
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dehag24 writes:
talk about good timing, we can get rid of all these worthless guys that did nothing last season and it doesn't cost us a anything!!!!
At this time I would like to give out a big over done chest beating to the one called Webster...GOOD BYE!!!! hope you can get on with a team somewhere...I would start your search in Canada
Also Paymah,a starter??? LMAO!!!!
to all the FA leaving for greener fields, I want to thank you for taking Mr. Bowlens $$$$ and giving really nothing in return....
February 25, 2009
8:03 a.m.
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dehag24 writes:
Although Tatum did do a nice job for us at the end....so thank you Mr. Bell
February 25, 2009
8:38 a.m.
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mastermarcus writes:
We should pick up DJ williams' little brother in the third or fourth round (i know they ran this story a while ago, but ive been looking him up and he impresses me). he's like 240 and looks to be a solid 3-4 ILB (he played ina 3-4 in college). Our linebacking core would actually look pretty good
Woodyard-Williams-Williams-B.Bailey
with Moss coming in on passing downs. I dont think Doom can convert just cause he's too short (5'10-11). if we can get a late first or early second round pick for him, we could turn him into a RB(knowshon, beanie, etc) and still keep our other 8-9 picks for the defense
February 25, 2009
8:44 a.m.
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DrChris writes:
Paymah, piss off! you barely made the team last year as a dime corner and now your saying since Bly is gone you should start? Paymah got burned way to much last year. I don't expect him to be in training camp
February 25, 2009
8:46 a.m.
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baylinorcrush writes:
Paymah wants to be THE GUY! Today is gonna be a good day, I had not had that kind of laugh for awhile.
February 25, 2009
8:49 a.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Many of these guys won't get a look from other teams and could possibly be back in Denver uni after the draft. If someone else wants them, then so be it.
February 25, 2009
8:49 a.m.
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Cutler_Era writes:
Tatum should defintly stay get rid of young instead and paymah should have left instead of foxworth and if josh bell doesn't get it together get rid of him becuase I don't believe he gonna show any promise
February 25, 2009
8:49 a.m.
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reillyad writes:
Ok guys, I have been reading the majority of your posts here on RMN and while I agree with the regulars, (DD, dehag, 6is7,bfnmhp, and the others sorry if I missed you) the majority of the time, I feel Tatum Bell-hop is getting way to much love here. Yes did ok for us last year in a tight spot, but did that make you all forget what a lazy, soft runner he really is? One last thing about Bell, HE WAS CUT BY DETROIT, enough said!!!!!
I am a lifelong Bronco fan and I can’t remember the last time I was this excited during an off-season! I fully stand behind the new regime and will continue to support them as I always have. So far we have seen nothing but positive things from them and I am very happy with the changes.
Go Broncos!
Death to the trollers!!!!!!!!
February 25, 2009
8:50 a.m.
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baylinorcrush writes:
On a more serious note, other than Pittman there is no one on that list worth keeping, and with the kind of neck injury Pittman sustained at his age, the risks are too big. So, see you all to the bunch of you and good luck in your future jobs.
February 25, 2009
8:54 a.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Dave ,
My question last night was; How do you gauge what a pick from next year is worth as far as trade value to obtain another 1st or 2nd this year? This year's draft is deep with defensive talent, in which we need a lot of help NOW!
February 25, 2009
8:58 a.m.
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DrChris writes:
Paymah, when you said you wanted to start, a phrase came in mind that LT said on a vizio commercial,
"Nothing is given to you, you have to earn it". We are not going to give you the starting job, you have to earn it and so far, you have done nothing to impress me. I want to be the president and you want to be a starter, some people aren't made for certain jobs.
Swick, sorry to bring up politics again. LOL
February 25, 2009
8:59 a.m.
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kmeissner writes:
They are still thinking of keeping Paymah? And he thinks he's a starter? hahahahah! Funniest thing I've heard all year.
February 25, 2009
9:13 a.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
6_is_the_new_7, I doubt if we can get another 1st. However, we have 2, 5ths so trade one 5th rounder and a future 3rd for another 2nd.
February 25, 2009
9:13 a.m.
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farsidefan writes:
They need to find another Ruben Carter. Without a real good NG, the defense is screwed.
February 25, 2009
9:16 a.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
I thought the people claiming we should trade Cutler and pick up Cassell were hilarious, but Paymah just blew my mind with that comment about being a starter. He couldnt start on a pop warner football squad much less the NFL!! Come on Karrrrrllllllll?? Get a clue buddy, your garbage!! LOL!
Whoever made the statement that he couldnt cover his own shadow....thanks for bringing a tear to my eyes with the laughter that was produced after reading that, LOL!
February 25, 2009
9:19 a.m.
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Cutler6 writes:
Stop with the stupid Knowshon Moreno with the 12th pick in the draft, stop, stop stop. The Broncos do not need to draft a RB in the 1st round, THEY NEED DEFENSE and there is plenty of talent avaialable at that pick. They tried the score more points than your opponent theory last year. IT DOESN'T WORK, get the defense (which the will) at least solid, not great, solid and with our SOLID offense we can make strides but having a great offense and a high school defense will get us exactly where we were last year.
February 25, 2009
9:23 a.m.
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s6xtyn9ne writes:
goodbye and good riddance to webster. hopefully now the only flying helmets we see in denver are those from the visiting team.
paymah, a starter? lmao! sounds like he's already started working on his post nfl career as a stand up comedian.
this is turning out to be one hell of an off season. there have been cuts on both sides of the ball. obviously there is an all out effort to rid this team of dead weight and upgrade the team as a whole.
February 25, 2009
9:53 a.m.
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dsheil writes:
FYI - many of the mock drafts have the Broncos taking a running back in the first round as it is necessary to have a health running back in order to take some of the pressure off Cutler. Not saying that I agree with using the first pick on a RB, but that's what some of the "experts" are thinking.
February 25, 2009
9:55 a.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
It doesn't work Dave. Our 5th from Sea. is only worth 40 pts. Say we draft #20 next year. That 3rd is worth 170. A high 2nd round pick is worth 500-580. Here's a site for draft point evaluation. http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/d...
February 25, 2009
10 a.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
A team might do this year's 4th and next year's 2nd for a 2nd this year.
February 25, 2009
10:05 a.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
dsheil
We do have a huge ? at RB. However, we are willing to live with our stable of ? at RB, because our needs on D are so great. The experts still see us as a run first team, which we know is not the case anymore.
February 25, 2009
10:11 a.m.
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pandaman3000 writes:
Yeah I don't think they draft a RB in the first or 2nd rounds unless they trade out of those spots, but I don't see that happening either. I seem to be the only one who thinks that trying to sign Derrick Ward is a good idea. I think if you put Ward in the backfield with Hillis, and (if he can stay healthy for at least 4 games this year) Torain, that will help imensley in the run game, but no one else seems to think that Ward is a good RB, despite running for 1,000, while sharing the load with Jacobs. It's not like I'm saying to go after Larry Johnson, but rather than draft an unproven rookie early in the draft, I think it would be better to go after a guy whose played in the league and knows what it takes to be successful, after all he's got a ring!
February 25, 2009
10:17 a.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
pandaman
You may get what you wish. We have talked with him. Don't know his price though. We definitly need to sign a starting CB in FA and probably a cheaper NT.
February 25, 2009
10:28 a.m.
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pandaman3000 writes:
Well and I agree with you 6-to the-7, we do need to get someone like Greer or Mcfadden in the secondary, but I think for NT, we need to look to the draft, like that dude Jarrod Gilbert. Have you seen that pool leap, if not check it out on you tube, I think draft him in the 2nd or third, if still available and P. Chung is gone. The draft always has surprises, I think it's lame For Kiper to do his draft board before the combine. Things change at the combine, like Andre Smith, Crabtree, Orakpo, these guys might drop! Have you heard about talks with Ward?! That would be sick!! He is the best RB in FA this year!
February 25, 2009
10:34 a.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
pandaman3000,
Actually I wouldnt be against going after Ward at all. He is a very good running back and I think with Hillis and Torain and him going at it in camp would be interesting. He is a big back himself but is fairly quick and I would actually be happy to see him in a Bronco uniform, depending of course on his paycheck.
February 25, 2009
10:43 a.m.
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discer writes:
jmgswarman, I have heard that they were interested in Olshansky from SD and or Chris Canty from Big D. Personally I like Olshansky as he would be a double whammy since we would be getting a fierce player and taking him from an AFC West rival. Let's get them both.
February 25, 2009
10:49 a.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
Discer,
I would love to get Canty and Olshansky. Our line would have made an immediate upgrade at that point.
February 25, 2009
11:03 a.m.
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jobain_99 writes:
Paymah's comments remind me of Lelie saying he should be a #1 WR.....made me chuckle. I'm guessing Olshansky and Canty get bloated contracts being the best available at their position....haven't seen a projection of what kind of money they may get.
February 25, 2009
11:05 a.m.
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voicewithin writes:
I feel like it's a good choice to let these players enter the free agent market. We picked most of them up as free agents...
Bronco's Blog: http://ibelievethis.us/bronco's/
February 25, 2009
11:09 a.m.
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Bradonkadoncs writes:
Igor pissed me off as a Charger! And the reason he did that is because he was tough, talented and up in Cutler's grill. Let's pick him up and let him get after other QBs.
February 25, 2009
11:23 a.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
The ones I've heard talk about us getting is Igor, Sanders, Ward, and one maybe two of the CB listed in the other article.
February 25, 2009
11:27 a.m.
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SDcat writes:
I haven't seen this discussed, but at the beginning of the article, its alluding to Ekuban not returning. I don't know why we wouldn't resign him...he actually tackles and pass rushes, and he is veteran with leadership skills....
any thoughts?
February 25, 2009
11:29 a.m.
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discer writes:
If the Chargers are stupid enough to let him go we should definitely take him off of their hands. The more FA studs we can afford to sign the faster the draft will help rebuild the team.
February 25, 2009
11:36 a.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
SDcat
I think they are just going to let all the FA look around, if they find something they're free to leave. If not, we can give them a look after we find out what we got in the draft.
voicewithin
Checked the site, not my cup of tea. First thing I read was "Broncos are a bust" and something about how they are going nowhere. I'm not into reading a bunch of negative articles about the Broncos. I like glass half full, not half empty.
February 25, 2009
11:37 a.m.
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pandaman3000 writes:
Ekuban is a good role player and I don't think their is a market out there for him so he could be back.
!!!THIS JUST IN!!!!!
Tampa Bay has released Derrick Brooks, Cato June, and Warrick Dunn, and Cleveland's Shaun Rogers has requested to be released!!
We should go after Brooks or even June, Brooks has the leadership and knowledge that this defense craves, and June has the speed to blitz really well. And if we can get Rogers cheap, we should go after him then that might give us the option to take Moreno in the first. After all this draft is loaded with RB'S and LB's.
Im sorry I can't make up my mind on who we should take in the 1st, and I'm making myself crazy.
February 25, 2009
11:44 a.m.
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DenverAir615 writes:
cdmdenver wrote: "TIME FOR CHANGE...YOU DON'T PRODUCE YOUR OUT!!!"
I don't understand. If I don't produce my out? What's my out? And what if I don't produce my out, then what?
February 25, 2009
12:01 p.m.
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Austin603 writes:
Anyone who says we don't need help at running back should not be allowed to watch football ever again. Peytron Hillis is great, but he is a FULLBACK! Did Tampa ever put the load on Mike Allstott? No. Ryan Torain has never played an entire season without an injury, Selwyn Young is a nice guy to have on your bench but he is not a starter. Tatum Bell is a thief and is about as valuble as that scrub Dre Bly we traded him away for. Cory Boyd has some attractive qualities (speed, one-cut elusiveness) but is untested and unproven. JC had to pass for more yards last year than anyone in Bronco history just to survive. The defense needs work, no doubt, but if you listen to anyone involved in the front office of any sucessful NFL franchise one attitude remains constant; you draft the best player on the board, regardless of position. I would dance in the streets if the Broncos drafted Moreno (I would love a linebacker but if it comes down to the third or fourth best LB or the best RB? No question). We would still have seven draft picks and the ability to sign seven or eight free agents to shore up the D. Best talent available period.
February 25, 2009
12:24 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Austin603
The only reason I wanted a Moreno instead of a defensive guy for a short period was to prevent S.D. from getting him. Then I thought about it. What would be the difference, even if he is the next L.T. We've been facing them with the real L.T. for quite some time. I know what you're going to say, "Yeah, and look what they've done to us." Well I say, "The only reason they've been able to blow us out is our defense stinks. We have failed to replace Wilson at MLB and have had nothing at safety since Lynch." Besides, Moreno may not end up as good as predicted. You're right though, it would be nice to have him instead of a hope and a prayer.
February 25, 2009
12:26 p.m.
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PDXBroncos writes:
I like Pittman as well. I hope they bring him in to camp to compete. Same with Bell. Also, I am sure they will grab a couple undrafted backs and/or late round picks, as usual.
As far as Paymah's "I want to be the guy" comments....well, even though he was notsogood for Denver, one has to have the right attitude and confidence! Not like he is going to say, "Oh man, I am horrible!" Either way, happy trails Karl, and good luck on a different team.
Hillis, Torrain--Torrain, Hillis... I love it on paper, especially when you throw a burner into the mix ala Bell. However, it is one of those wait and hope they can stay healthy situations. I am not as concerned about Hillis's durability though. Being a Razorbacks fan though, I am not as objective.
Cap room - check
Draft picks - check
Decent FA Market - check
Let's see if the new regime can bring the right TEAM together and not just a hodgepodge of backups, "characters" and IR regulars.
Go Broncos!
February 25, 2009
12:29 p.m.
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Cutler6 writes:
Austin603, we do need help at running back but not with the 12th overall pick. If we don't draft a defensive player any defensive player, Moreno won't even see the field because our Defense will be on the field for the majority of the game, because WE CANT STOP ANYONE. Please someone come with a legit name (and don't give me Haynsworth because he is asking for 1 billion per year and Peppers is franchised) that we could sign for the front 7 that will make anymore of an impact on our defense than all the defensive players we just let go. Maybe for depth. Austin603 you shouldn't be allowed to say that the broncos should take a RB with the 12the overall pick. And oh by the way just beacuse the "so called" experts say the Moreno is the best back in "this years" draft, does that make him the longterm answer for denver at RB, and by the way if you say that the broncos have problems at running back, maybe a problem with a "big name" player but denver ranked 12th overall in the whole NFL in rushing this last year at 4.8 yrds per carry with the group of no names they had. Frankly rushing is 75% offensive line and 25% the back. See Sedric Benson.
February 25, 2009
12:41 p.m.
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Cutler6 writes:
Challenge question:
I have $250 dollars left for the month. I am completely out of food and the heating bill hasn't been paid and I see a brand new 45" TV on sale for $250.
Do I
1. Forget about getting food and paying the heating bill, and get the TV
or
2. Pay the heating bill and get food for the month.
February 25, 2009
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BigRedCelt writes:
Austin603...Ya know I was really enjoying this draft discussion on the last few threads because there was none of that "if you don't agree with me you don't know what you're talking about" crap. Just exactly how much time have you spent in the front office of any NFL club? That's what I thought. Your "listen to anyone in the front office of a successful organization" comment is total $h!t. Depending on your particular teams makeup determines if you draft according to need or take the best available player.
Nobody here says that there are no ?s at RB. However, a defense that has given up 400+ points in two consecutive seasons is a much, much larger ?. Maybe you need to watch a game.
People are entitled to their opinions and should be able to express them without being insulted.
February 25, 2009
1:01 p.m.
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pandaman3000 writes:
that's a dumb question, the TV of course!!!!
February 25, 2009
1:09 p.m.
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pandaman3000 writes:
Yeah you tell him BRC!!!
besides with our defense as ugly as Barkley's golf swing, can this defense really be fixed?
Or should we just hope that we can get some people on d that can make two to three stops a game and we get the firepower to score 50+ a game?
If we were still under the "Mastermind", we would take the ladder, but under Coach McD, this defense will be in the top 20, and that will be a vast improvement.
February 25, 2009
1:11 p.m.
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jobain_99 writes:
The more comments I hear from the "experts" it sounds like trading down is our best hope. Depends on how much stock you put into Kiper, but he just commented that both Rey and Lnitus may have dropped their stock to the bottom end of the draft board. It depends on how caught up you get in value, but i feel that both Rey and Lnitus would be successful LBs for years to come. Also a position that usually can have impact as rookies vs Dlineman that have to develop.
February 25, 2009
1:16 p.m.
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pandaman3000 writes:
I miss Javon Walker!!!!
If there was a better WR in Broncos History, well then I've never heard of him!!!!!!
We should trade our first 2 draft picks and try to get him back, cause he was so AWESOME!!!
And what a classy guy off the field too, just the complete package!!
February 25, 2009
1:19 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
Pandaman,
I dont think that will be enough we might have to throw in Cutler and Clady to get him, but I mean that would definitely be worth it! LOL!
February 25, 2009
1:33 p.m.
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pandaman3000 writes:
Watch if Crabtree falls to #12, or if the Eagles go crazy for Moreno, then don't be surprised if they trade one of thier #20's to us along with a second round, and everyone knows that second round draft picks usually end up being pretty good, and with Coach McD, with his New England ties, will probably go shopping in FA, to find leadership for the defense, draft maybe 2 out of three defensive players with the first 3 draft picks.
And like I said before, go after Ward, he is proven, yes he shared the load in NY, but in this kind of league, with the exception of Willie Parker(who was injured most of the year), this is a tandem league. As far as we know it, Torain is still a rookie, and is still unproven.
Hillis is a fullback, but can still be used as a spell, on third down, and in goalline situations. We shouldn't look to the draft for a RB, unless if one falls in our laps in the 3rd, or 4th, like Javon Ringer, the way Royal fell into our laps. Pat White might fall pretty far down too, and with the succes of Randle El, and Ward turning into WR's, maybe gamble on White if he's there. But defense is the tone for the draft and FA this year. We can score even more than the average Adult film star, but it's buckling down and not letting anyone get behind us is the problem.
February 25, 2009
1:51 p.m.
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retiredatlast9 writes:
Wow! How in the hell did you do it??? I mean, really, $250.00 bucks LEFT at this time of the month? Who needs heat - go for the tv.
February 25, 2009
2:28 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
Great...now I can't watch football! Austin, what makes you think Hillis can't play RB? Because he played FB at Arkansas?
When the Rams drafted Jerome Bettis, he was a FB at Notre Dame. And what position did he play at Pittsburgh?
And when the 49ers drafted Tom Rathman, he played RB at Nebraska, but Walsh thought he was better suited at FB.
Granted a lot of GREAT running backs have come out of the first round of the draft. But remember, when Terrell Davis was drafted he came in 196th over all out of the 6th round.
February 25, 2009
2:45 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
I was just reading up on some more Mock Drafts and I see why I stopped looking at them, I read two in a row that had us taking Malcolm Jenkins at #12. **Shake My Head**
I will go cry myself to sleep if we make this move. lol.
February 25, 2009
3:18 p.m.
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PDXBroncos writes:
Rockymtn69 - You got it man. Hillis is not only a good fullback, but most forget that he was the starting tailback for the 'Backs before Darren McFadden and Felix Jones joined the team....
That said, we all saw what he could do given the opportunity. He is a between the tackles, downhill, spinecrushing BEAST....and has hands softer than what you would see in a dishwashing liquid commercial...
NT, LB, Safety, CB and some backup O-Line...hopefully a talented WR, extra RB and kicker at some point. I think Denver is good at running back, injuries aside.
February 25, 2009
3:57 p.m.
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wyocow85 writes:
I wouldn't mind keeping Pittman and Bell, but we know for sure Hillis, Torain, and Selvin Young are already being retained, so knowing we will probably add at least 2 backs through the draft and free agency, it figures they want to save room and money.
I'm not really against any of the let go's on defense, but we literally have almost NO ONE left on that side of the ball. Who's left?
Line: Thomas, and the draft pick from last season? Can't think of anymore
LB: Moss, Dumervil, DJ, Woodyard, Larsen, Bailey
CB: Bailey, Williams
S: Barrett
I know the rational for slashing the chart, but has any team ever restocked this much in one off-season? If we plan on carrying the same amount of defenders next season as this, we need to add what, 12-15 players on that side of the ball. Considering you always sign more than what you carry, we could see Denver addign 15 plus players through free agency. Prepare to see a lot of guys walking through the doors that you didn't even know played football.
February 25, 2009
4:19 p.m.
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elwaytdsharpe writes:
I keep seeing this discussion regarding the broncos and a RB in the first round, If the new regime does that I will have zero faith in them and be extremely pissed. Our defense is so bad I would dedicate the entire draft to that side of the ball. We are not afforded the luxury of taking the best available player. AND what people are missing in this discussion is that Moreno is not that good, certainly not the 12th best player!!! He weighs at most 210 and ran the 40 in 4.55, so he is not a home-run hitter. We have backs that are pretty good. Get rey mualuga...he is a beast
February 25, 2009
4:21 p.m.
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bronco_fan_no_matter_how_painful writes:
royalmarshalls - who is writing those Mock Drafts? Could it be Matt Millen? The Detroit Lion draft philosophy? Silly talk, fear not you won't have to cry yourself to sleep...LOL
wyocow85 - you are right, this is a major overhaul and I for one am not opposed to it. it was time to purge and begin the new era with a new attitude. gone are the goldbrickers, gone are the glory hogs, gone are the Shanny failures. and I agree that they will need to pick up quite a bit in FA market. and due to that I highly doubt that we will see a big spending spree on one big name. we need quantity in this FA market and then continue that into the draft
pandaman - there is a reason that TB released those guys...they are old and struggle to stay healthy. TB is getting younger with this move, and so too are the Broncos with their moves. We don't need a bunch of old codgers coming in at the tail end of their career taking PT away from quality younger players. plus, Brooks will command still a higher figure for a salary...he's not needed in Denver. I agree on his leadership skills, but if he can't get it done on the field longterm no need to sign him
rocky69 - thanks for your post, now I don't have to react to the ludicrous claims about Hillis
drchris - I work in a high school and you kiddos are supposed to be blogging during school hours - LOL just kiddin man - you are totally welcome here!!!
cutler6 - if the 45" is a flat screen for $250 then it's a no-brainer food and heat are totally overrated!
I'm thinking that if we see any moves by our Broncos tomorrow it will probably be in two main areas...defensive line and safety. I'd still like to see them move on Jabari Greer to fill the other CB slot but don't expect that to happen...
I know that 6 is 7 loves to try and sell Knowshon Moreno (and I starting to move to his side, but won't get there before the draft) but I would say that if you can control the ball with a quality running game (which we did not do last year) then that itself becomes a great defense. It is kinda the reverse of Shanny's philosophy last year, you know the old 'hurry up and let them score so we can get the ball back' philosophy...I still think the pick is Lauranitis - or as rocky69 calls him 'the new Gradishar'
February 25, 2009
4:38 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
As it stands right now I think the best bet would be to trade our #12 for a later 1st rounder and a second, 2nd rounder. If Sanchez or Stafford are available for whatever reason at #12 I think we would have a fairly good chance at trading with the Bucs. We could send our #12(Sanchez/Stafford) to the Bucs for there #19 and #50. Our #12 has a value in itself of 1200 and the Bucs #19 and #50 have a value together of 1275, not to mention they would leap frog over the Jets(also need a QB) and be able to get the QB that they desperately need. If this option doesnt work we may be able to trade our #12 to the Eagles for there #21 and #53. The value of the Eagles two picks is equal to 1170 with our #12 again being a value of 1200. The only problem I see with this is that I cannot think of someone they desperately need enough to trade down from #21 to #12. Who knows really though it will all be decided on draft day I am sure.
Broncos
12 - 1200
Eagles
21 - 800
53 - 370
1170
Bucs
19 - 875
50 - 400
1275
February 25, 2009
5:44 p.m.
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Royal19 writes:
All of you anti RB guys need to wake up! I here a lot of "#2 offense in the league" stuff out of you. But we were actually #16 in the only stat that really counts, POINTS! We all know that the defense was terrible, but it isn't like the offense was unstoppable, (I repeat, #16 in the league in points). I really believe that we have only one real question mark position on offense, RB. We can turn #16 into top 5, maybe even #1 with only one draft pick. I doubt that using the #12 pick on a defensive player will "by itself" improve the "D" like a stud RB would the "O". We have 8 other draft picks plus FA to overhaul the defense, and it will be much improved. But if everyone is good with the 16th ranked offense, than by all means, draft all defense.
February 25, 2009
6:16 p.m.
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Spider writes:
Does anyone know anyone who posts as Da Racoon?
February 25, 2009
6:24 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
Royal19,
You are very right. 16th in points and that could definitely translate to something in the top tier with a running back. I am still on the fence with taking a running back or a defensive player, but I think my above mentioned trade, if accepted, could help us out big time no matter which direction we take. With that 19th pick from Tampa Bay, we could easily draft a running back like Moreno(this is just the name that everyone is mentioning) and grab a guy like Sintim and Chung with those two, 2nd round picks. This is just a hypothetical situation as we could also get a guy like Lauranaitis or even Maualuga(he is dropping after the combine although I think he will still go in the early teens) with that 19th pick and then Chung and Brace with the two, 2nd rounders. Its really a 50/50 thought in my brain until someone gives me some real substantial evidence of why we should go either way.
February 25, 2009
6:33 p.m.
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Cutler6 writes:
Yea, but were the 29th ranked defense last time I checked in the NFL a higher number in the ranking is BAD. Bring logic or go home.
February 25, 2009
6:44 p.m.
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Royal19 writes:
One more thing, to all of you that want Hillis as our RB, think about this, if we make him our RB, than who is going to be our FB? We'd have to pick one up, and in all likelihood he would not be as good as Hillis. So, basically we'd be upgrading one position and downgrading another. Doesn't make much sense to me. As for Torain, I'm just not sure we want to bet our season on a guy that has yet to prove he can stay healthy. The rest of the backs are average AT BEST, and we all know it. We do NEED a RB!
February 25, 2009
6:47 p.m.
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Royal19 writes:
Cutler6, So your saying 16th is OK with you?
February 25, 2009
7 p.m.
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FTR writes:
I like the entire 12th round pick debates that have been going on for the past two weeks. Some in the Bronco Nation say draft a NT because it is our biggest need going to the 3-4! Some say LB others say D-back field. Also a big debate on taking a RB. Draft up or down? McD says we will be going to a 3-4 defense at times? And a combination of both the 4-3 and the 3-4 depending on the game plan for that week? Humm! Denver history stats say we had our best years with the 3-4 back in the 70’s. Things that make you go Humm!! Screw the mock drafts I say!! Let’s see what Mr. Bowlen’s new staff can produce in FA and the Draft? For the McD and X man it’s GAME TIME!!! I wish them the best!
GO BRONCOS
FTR
February 25, 2009
7:08 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
Cutler6,
Like I said I am on the fence, but just food for thought, if we chose a running back that plays as well as he is hyped up to be that 16th could go easily into the top 5. If we chose a defensive player, at any position, that plays as well as he is hyped up to be will that SINGLE player change the 29th to say even 25th? I doubt it, so that is my "logic" when leaning in the direction of taking a running back.
February 25, 2009
7:11 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
Tyler Roehl out of North Dakota State would be another sleeper pick. He's 5'10" and is around 240 lbs, ran a 4.42 at the combine. He was a RB at NDSU and the experts have him slated to go as a FB on the second day.
He would be worth a look at least...
February 25, 2009
7:42 p.m.
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pandaman3000 writes:
Awe man!!! Paymah's gone???!!! WHAATTT??!!! He's so right, he should be the number one guy!! OVER CHAMP!!! Screw Haynesworth and wanting to be the highest paid defensive player in the league, Paymah should be the highest player in the league!!!! He's so AAAAWWWWEESOOMMEE!!!!
February 25, 2009
7:46 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Spider, Rocky?
royalmarshalls, You're buying the 1st 2 rounds of pitchers at the Broncos blog party when they pick D in the 1st. Do you actually think Shanahan was fired because of his O, last year? No, he was fired because of the D. Do you think Bowlen hired McD to fix the O? No, he was hired to keep the O intact and fix the D. Do you think Bowlen wants a RB with the only 1st round pick open that has a chance to land Maualuga or Laurainitis? No, he wants the D fixed and it requires top players on D, not a RB.
RockyMts69, a FB? Are you serious? They have Hillis. They still have Pinnock. They have Larsen if needed.
Royal19, Denver also has Pinnock as a FB
February 25, 2009
7:59 p.m.
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BroncoBrad writes:
While I agree we need a running back, there aren't any that will be worth taking at the 12th pick. The top back will be gone at that point and the rest don't warrant a top 12 pick as they are all pretty equal and will likely still be there in the second or third round due to the fact that there aren't many teams in need of a top notch back. Look around the league and all but a handful of teams have a back they are content with. I don't see many teams picking a RB in the first two rounds unless the other players they had ranked ahead of the backs are gone when their pick comes up. I still say we spend most of our early picks on defense and draft a back in the later rounds. There are too many teams in our same situation and will be plucking defensive guys off the board one right after the other. If you don't draft heavy defensively this year you are crazy. This is one of the deepest drafts in defensive talent in decades. There aren't a ton of stars this year, but tons of quality, really good players. This is our chance to make a statement in the draft. We have the opportunity to pick up guys that can come in and contribute immediately. We get several players in the draft this year that can play, plus a few in free agency and we are going deep into the playoffs. We completely rebuilt the offense that everyone said had more question marks than answers going into this past offseason. All it took to do it was a center, a quality WR in Royal, and a few running backs. The rest were already on the team. We have several quality young guys on defense that played much better than their starting counterparts this past season. You will see many of them on the field come September. I guarantee it. That is why they are still on the roster. We don't need 10 top notch startes on defense to make a considerable improvement.
As far as the offensive limitations that were thrown around being 16th in the league in scoring, the reason for that is long gone. Jeremy Bates was the primary cause of that. His play calling between the 20's was without question pretty good. He became too predictable and conservative inside the red zone. That won't be the case going forward. We will be a top 10 offense without adding any players.
February 25, 2009
8:02 p.m.
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baylinorcrush writes:
About the draft; if you need a handfull of guys to get to the next level, you trade up in the draft, if, like us, you need a couple of dozen players to rebuild your team, you trade down in the draft. It is so obvious, but so many fans are caught up in the moment so bad, they just can't see it.
February 25, 2009
8:06 p.m.
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BroncoBrad writes:
Baylinorcrush,
while I agree normally you trade down, I would only agree you trade down if you don't have very many picks. We have 9 picks in the draft and by then won't have nearly as many questioned positions. We are apparently going to address CB and Safety via free agency. So that leaves d-line, the other safety position and possibly a LB on the defensive side of the ball. I still say we take a running back in the fourth round or later.
February 25, 2009
8:15 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
BroncoBrad, agreed.
February 25, 2009
8:15 p.m.
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scgoff writes:
Take a RB in the first round?
There are several reasons not to do this. First resource allocation, RB have the shortest careers averaging around 6 years. Easiest way to put it. If you had to shingle your house and had two shingle options that cost the same but one shingle option will last longer, which do you purchase? The one that last the longest. This is the reason why the Houston Texans drafted Mario Williams before Reggie Bush.
The RB is arguably the simplest position to place any player in and be successful. Every year there are players in from later rounds that are successful. For example this year Chris Johnson of the Titan; even Hillis and Torain (who both averaged over 4.5 yards, that is excellent). In fact, NFL analysts feel there is great RB depth in the draft this year after watching the combine. Granted the Broncos had injuries. This leads to the final point, do the Broncos need a running back.
It seems many fans are focused on how many yards a Bronco player had rushed for, Peyton Hillis leads the team with 343 yards. The reality is the team rushed for 1862 yards, ranked 12 in the league, which is decent. The Broncos averaged 4.8 yards a carry, 2nd in the NFL. That is excellent. Someone brought up the issue of first downs, the team had 103 rushing first downs, 14th in the league. What makes these stats amazing is the Broncos ranked 28th in number of rush plays at 387. Not only is RB generally a poor utilization of draft value the Broncos organization has no need for RB, the rushing game is actually a Bronco strength.
February 25, 2009
8:20 p.m.
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baylinorcrush writes:
9 doesn't even come close to covering up our needs. Even with the free agency, we will have to replace quite a few more players than 9 in the draft. Let's face it, we are going to basically do a total rebuild with the players, similar as the rebuild with the coaches. Yeah, the offense will look somehow similar to last year, but the other two thirds of the team won't. Please, don't spend any big bucks on anyone in the free agency, we need too much help there to spend it all on a select few players.
February 25, 2009
8:23 p.m.
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BroncoBrad writes:
Why do we need more than 9? We only released 12 players. We don't need 9 defensive starters. We will likely need 5 or 6, with two or three of them coming via free agency. That leaves us several picks for defensive depth, a running back and another WR. 9 picks is plenty.
February 25, 2009
8:26 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
scgoff, well explained. I am tearing my hair out from reading all the bloggers wanting a RB in the 1st.The only way that Denver would get Moreno is if they wanted Laurainitis and some other team farther back in the 1st wanted Moreno and wanted Denver to secure him and they in turn would secure Laurainitis. They then swap players and save a bit of money. It's been known to happen. Look at the QB swap with Phallus Slivers and Eli Manning. These are all just scenarios, mind you. I have no real clue as to what the new staff wants or will do. I just think that a RB is the wrong direction for Denvers D.
February 25, 2009
8:28 p.m.
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BroncoBrad writes:
Heck, who knows maybe we pick up a WR in free agency. TJ Whoseyourmamma is available. He would be an excellent compliment to Marshall and Royal.
February 25, 2009
8:29 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Free Agent wish list:
1.Greer CB Bills
2.Ward RB Giants
3.Phillips S Bucs
4.Davis MLB Browns
Draft wish list:
Trade down
1.Jackson DE
2.Chung S
2.Brace NT
3.To be continued after day one of draft.
February 25, 2009
8:30 p.m.
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baylinorcrush writes:
We released 12 players and also will probably not resign 10 of them, that's 22 as of today, if that's not a total rebuild, I don't know what is. We need numbers of players, not just a select few.
February 25, 2009
8:31 p.m.
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BroncoBrad writes:
Agreed Dave. I definitely don't take Moreno at 12 as I honestly don't think he is considerably better than the other top backs in the draft, who will all likely go in the second or third rounds, unless someone is desperate. I just don't see that many teams who need a starting back that will want to use a high draft pick on backs that aren't worthy of a first round pick.
February 25, 2009
8:33 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
Regardless of what Hillis was slated for on paper, he has proved himself to be very productive at the RB position. The guy was a beast last year, and the energy he brought to the team and to the fans was contagious. Personally, I would like to see as our number one RB.
And like you said Dave, there's still Larsen and Pinnock. But then we'll never know until training camp.
February 25, 2009
8:33 p.m.
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Royal19 writes:
DD, Pinnock??? I think we could all agree that's a downgrade.
I can't wait for the draft and FA to be over with. It's funny how we can debate the same exact thing for 2 weeks straight, it actually keeps me up at night! If it wasn't for that stupid 1st pick, I think we agree on everything else. I almost hope Moreno is gone by #12 just so I have to see them pass him up.
February 25, 2009
8:39 p.m.
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BroncoBrad writes:
baylin, keep in mind we added numerous players to our roster throughout the year for injuries. Many of the ones released were those players we added during the season such as Aldridge, Mustard, the WR (forget his name), Bell, etc. We didn't let loose 22 starters. Many of the open positions will be filled with roll players picked up in the later part of free agency or undrafted free agents. No team keeps 57 starters on their roster. Some of the other guys we let go such as Robertson, Niko, etc rarely saw the field anyway.
February 25, 2009
8:42 p.m.
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baylinorcrush writes:
I'm just glad to see the "NFL: free agency" up above article just posted. Hopefuly, it will hold true and no one on our team will spend some crazy amount of money on anyone, it just doesn't make sense, specially for us right now.
February 25, 2009
8:45 p.m.
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BroncoBrad writes:
6 is the new 7, you can scratch Ward off your wish list. He is reportedly resigning with the Giants on a 4 year deal.
February 25, 2009
8:46 p.m.
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BroncoBrad writes:
I agree baylin, we need to save some cap space for next year when we have a lot of our top guys becoming free agents.
February 25, 2009
8:48 p.m.
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baylinorcrush writes:
BroncoBrad, I think it's 53, not 57. But the bottom line is we are fully rebuilding, and the quicker we come to accept it, the better off we'll be. The task at hand is so huge, to talk about a few players here and there seems futile. I, for one, rather put my trust into the new organization to do the right thing with the overall plan, which we know basically nothing of.
February 25, 2009
8:52 p.m.
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royalmarshalls writes:
Dave,
I never said that we SHOULD draft a running back, I simply stated that I was on the fence when it came to making that final decision and could see either way being a good decision. I do not think Shannjoke was fired because of his offence nor his defence, I beleive that he was let go because he had too much control over the organization and stopped making football concious decisions. If you read my post(s) you would have noticed that I have stated multiple times that I beleive we should trade down for two, 2nd round draft picks and even laid out a scenario of how it could be accomplished, which is more than I have seen from most of the bloggers on here who claim we should do this and that, yet never explain how they plan on acheiving that. I lean towards going defence as in Lauraniatis or Maualuga with that 19th pick then moving on to Chung and Brace in the 2nd with the extra pick, however I was engaging in a debate at the time in which I was showing both sides of the equation. Thats all. :)
As much as I love this blog I dislike it at times because people do not clearly read what is posted and make comments in reference to yours yet do not correctly argue with your information and generally pick certain key words they disagree with instead. ;|
February 25, 2009
9:01 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
Look our new NT's name is in the headline of this article.
February 25, 2009
9:16 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
53 is a GREAT number! Just like Randy Gradishar!
February 25, 2009
9:24 p.m.
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6_is_the_new_7 writes:
BroncoBrad writes:
6 is the new 7, you can scratch Ward off your wish list. He is reportedly resigning with the Giants on a 4 year deal.
I think it was Jacobs they signed.
February 25, 2009
9:50 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Royal19, I don't see Pinnock released yet, do you? It tells me he's worth a look? I remember a lot of the bloggers on our blog, last year were arguing about what Denver thought they were doing when they got Hillis. Now I read the same bloggers praising him. Pinnock didn't get much playing time in San Diego because he was brought iin to give depth to the FB position. SD was always already set with who was their starters. Doesn't mean the guy can't play. He also is healthy because of it. He deserves a look.
royalmarshalls, my bad, sorry. I'm home all day with the flu. My mind is cobwebs. I slept most of the day away. I'm sitting here typing, running a 102 temp. Not at my best.
February 25, 2009
10:32 p.m.
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Dezmond22 writes:
I like the decision to release these players to FA. To me this is addition by subtraction. Especially Webster and Paymah.
And the move to get rid of Bly was a good one as well. I know they are still saddled with his ridiculous contract against the cap, but man he was just brutal.
As far as the 1st round in the draft goes, count me in on a defensive position. As to which position really it depends on how successful they are in signing players in FA for specific positions before the draft. The Broncos really need a stud type guy on D-line. That has been missing for eons it seems.
I really hope they sign Olshansky and Brooks.
February 25, 2009
10:40 p.m.
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Ringneck1 writes:
6-7,
I like it - Brace in the second round.
funny, mayock seems to like Moreno, he rates him as the 7th best player, and seems to be a pretty good talent guy, much better than the espn hair guy Kiper.
Hillis? I want him to last longer than a few years. He is an awfully big target back there, and delivering blows to defenders in addition to getting hit while carrying tends to wear a back down.
I want the best player, unless its a QB or T. It makes no sense to me to draft the 7th or 8th best defender on your board if you have a RB rated higher, particularly considering that Rbs tend to have the easiest adjustment to the pro game. If you want to do that, then trade down. Otherwise, draft the best player, and deal from a postition of strenght. Lets just say the Georgia back was there - you draft him. He is as advertised, and Torain also gets healthy and is the real deal. Then you trade one of them for a coveted, proven defender and draft pick a year or two from now, aka clinton portis. Nobody believes that this defense will be fixed by next year anyway, right? we are a few years at the minimum from contending, right? If Rey is honestly their highest rated player, then i am OK, the Buckeye, I am not so sure.
Shanahan once did an interview, with the question being about Mike Anderson's rookie accomplishment (TD was hurt) of 1400-1500 yards. Shanahan, incredulously says, "are you kidding, with the holes the o-line opened this year, a healthy TD would have of run for 2,500 yards. The point being, an OK back will get you some yards and look OK on the stat sheet. A great back and dominating running game will destroy the other team's morale and control the clock, saving what will be a marginal defense (regardless of who we draft) from undue exposure.
DD, I think I want this Leonhard fellow from the Ravens. for what its worth, the coaching staff has uttered how they could not keep this guy off the field.
February 25, 2009
10:47 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Sorry guys, late on the blogging.
I'm really excited about tomorrow night. Hope we can pick up one of the big names like June or possibly Rogers from Cleveland.
Dave, Pinnock looks like our best option at fullback. Hillis has too much skill at the tailback position and Larsen isn't a starter in this league.
BroncoBrad, it was Jacobs they signed, not Ward but I don't want to see Ward come to Denver. The reason he did good in New York was two reasons,
1. Brandon Jacobs tired out the defense with his power running.
2. He's was playing behind the best O-line in he league.
Ward is definately not a starter. Personally, I would much rather have Tatum then Ward and Tatum would be a lot cheaper.
February 25, 2009
10:47 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Leohard looks good but it's all about the money...
Guys, I'm out of here. I'm running a high temp and feeling bad. Laters, Broncos fans.
February 25, 2009
11:30 p.m.
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RockyMts69 writes:
I agree with you on your comments about Hillis there DrChris. But I feel Larsen is a multi-talented player, if not at FB or defense, he did great on special teams, he busted a few heads on kick-offs...
Another player I like is Ian Johnson out of Boise St. Maybe put him on special teams as a KR. Then if you lose a RB, you've got back up. Denver had great luck with Clady, Johnson could be another diamond in the rough.
February 26, 2009
12:53 p.m.
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MGD writes:
reillyad,
True that Detroit cut Tatum Bell but then Detroit might be the worst run franchise in the world of sports. I wouldn't put much faith in the moves they make.
February 26, 2009
5:28 p.m.
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RedneckBronco writes:
My friends, where will we be after tomorrow? Denverpost?
February 26, 2009
5:36 p.m.
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DrChris writes:
Ya, seriously, we just gonna go to the Denverpost because I'm going to start making my account there right now.
Sorry to everyone who lost there jobs who worked at the RMN. you guys did great!