GOP lawmaker calls Caldara, Hillman, 'losers' and 'has beens'
By Ed Sealover, Rocky Mountain News
Published February 19, 2009 at 12:05 a.m.
Updated February 19, 2009 at 8:36 a.m.
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Don Marostica
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Jon Caldara
Mark Hillman
A prominent GOP lawmaker has gone rogue and will attempt to do away with a decades-old spending limit without any support from his party, the top House Republican said Wednesday.
Rep. Don Marostica shot back, however, that legislative leaders are being influenced by "has- beens" and "losers" within the party and that he is going ahead with his efforts.
Marostica, R-Loveland, will introduce a measure today to remove the 6 percent general-fund spending limit, known as Arveschoug-Bird, that has been in place since 1991. He will sponsor it with Sen. John Morse, D-Colorado Springs.
The law was passed to restrain government growth in boom years, but critics say that when the budget shrinks during recessions, Arveschoug-Bird ensures departments like higher education and human services can never recover. Some legal opinions say it can be repealed by statute, but others say it can only be changed by a vote of the people.
Marostica said at an event two weeks ago that he would push for repeal of the limit. At the time, Minority Leader Mike May said it would be tied to another bill that would dedicate a specific percentage of the budget to transportation. But that road- funding bill appears doomed, and May, R-Parker, had hoped Marostica would pull his support for the spending-limit repeal.
May said he also thought that Marostica's bill would let voters decide whether to repeal the limit.
According to Marostica, May came under pressure from conservatives including Independence Institute President Jon Caldara and former state Treasurer Mark Hillman to oppose the bill and called Marostica in for two meetings Tuesday. He denied that May threatened to yank him from his position on the powerful Joint Budget Committee if he didn't drop the bill, but he said he was told that GOP Senate leaders were furious.
"There's great concern whenever you're in a leadership position (like Marostica) and this happens," May said. "To head off without the rest of your troops is not a wise action."
Marostica acknowledged that he might not get support from another legislative Republican but said he's going to move ahead with the bill. He questioned why May was taking advice from people like Caldara and Hillman.
"They're has-beens. They're losers," Marostica said.
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February 19, 2009
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socrates writes:
The Republican party should listen to reasonable people like Marostica. He serves on the Joint Budget Committee. He sees the dynamics of the budget. He understands the impacts.
The rest of those clowns couldn't care less about impacts or dynamics. They are just kissing up to their political supporters who spend 90% of their time listening to other ill-informed people ranting on AM radio.
February 19, 2009
7:45 a.m.
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Logical writes:
If Marostica wants to spend money without limits, he should change to the Democrat party. Many Republicans have lost sight of one of the base principles of our party - limit governmental spending.
There are too many items in the budget that don't need to have governmental support. Kill those items, and re-assign the money to education or transportation. Don't just take more money from the taxpayers to satisfy a want.
Look at the last 8 years of our national government. Republicans didn't stick to principles, so the budget got out of control. It is time to reel-in governmental spending.
February 19, 2009
7:47 a.m.
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leavemealone writes:
socrates,
go blow some snow, worm!
February 19, 2009
7:59 a.m.
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DougH writes:
Congrats to Rep. Marostica, he has it exactly right. Andrews, Hillman and Caldara had their chance at running the government and they ran it right into the ground. None of these guys would have a chance in hell of ever getting elected, but they think they can still run things from the back room. If you ever want to know why the Democrats came back in power after years of being the minority all you have to do as look at the work of guys like Caldara & Hillman. Citizens figured them out for the Libertarian whacko’s that they are.
So, let’s hear it for some intelligence and actual problem solving from a Republican. Don has a good idea to get things moving for the people of Colorado. I just hope he can hold up from the smear campaign that should be starting today on Rosen’s radio show.
February 19, 2009
7:59 a.m.
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NeilT writes:
So where was the outcry when the "Republicans didn't stick to principles" and spent all that borrowed money on other countries?
Now that we're focusing our own country "It is time to reel-in governmental spending."
Borrow and give it away is good, but borrow and use it is bad...
Interesting...
February 19, 2009
8:01 a.m.
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NeilT writes:
Yeah, because Rosen is great at handling money...
February 19, 2009
8:02 a.m.
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bxwatso writes:
All one has to do is look to CA to see what unlimited spending does to a state. CA's government is failing and going bankrupt. No sensible business would move there due to the obscene taxes and regulations.
If TABOR had not been suspended, CO would not be in the minor mess it faces now (compared to CA). Further removal of spending limits only assures that CO will become another CA, NJ, or NY - low growth, high unemployment, high taxes.
Also, Marostica's personal attacks on free market think tank leaders only prove the bankrupt intellect behind his socialist plan.
February 19, 2009
8:13 a.m.
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DougH writes:
bxwatso; What a load of BS. I am sorry, but your name calling is pathetic. Marostica has a point about the leadership of the Republican party in Colorado , and calling him a socialist is just plain stupid. Besides that is an insult only in your mind.
And comparing Colorado to California is just more talk show BS.48 other states do NOT have TABOR and are all struggling through the Bush economic disaster. TABOR is not the answer and did not save us from anything. The only thing TABOR did was to make a tough situation even worse.
February 19, 2009
8:38 a.m.
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Spencer writes:
think tanks are a waste of everyone's time. Whether it is Independent Institute or Heritage Foundation, we would be a lot better off if they would be disbanded
February 19, 2009
8:46 a.m.
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robbyr2 writes:
"There are too many items in the budget that don't need to have governmental support. Kill those items, and re-assign the money to education or transportation. Don't just take more money from the taxpayers to satisfy a want."
Like which items? Oh, health care for the less fortunate? Well, you will pay for them one way or another. Which do you prefer, through government that you can influence, or through your health insurance premiums plus 10% for the CEO's salary? Oh, social services? I suppose all good Republicans want to see homeless children begging on street corners and living in cardboard boxes. Otherwise, how could they give them a dollar and feel good about their eternal salvation?
For too long, the Republicans have told us we can have a free lunch (not exactly a value)- be "compassionate" and conservative. There isn't such a thing. If you want to create a level playing field for everyones' children, there are things you have to pay, like taxes.
I am amazed at the anti-business attitude of so many Republicans... it is our educated workforce, our community-mindedness, and our infrastructure that led us to our former economic greatness. Our fear of "socialism" has allowed 10 "socialist" countries to become richer (per capita) than us over the past 30 years.
February 19, 2009
8:52 a.m.
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rightwingnut writes:
Spencer writes:
think tanks are a waste of everyone's time. Whether it is Independent Institute or Heritage Foundation, we would be a lot better off if they would be disbanded
Careful there Spencer, sounds like censorship....
February 19, 2009
9:03 a.m.
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PaleoConservative writes:
Don who?
February 19, 2009
9:07 a.m.
HolierThanThou writes:
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February 19, 2009
9:08 a.m.
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Now_You_Know writes:
GOP is a joke! They dont have a real leader. If the AM radio is the best option for them. I love it...
February 19, 2009
9:09 a.m.
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farsidefan writes:
"think tanks" are an oxymoron.
Logical, which items would you remove ? Don't give us the old party line of " all those illegal immigrant programs". Give us specifics.
February 19, 2009
9:14 a.m.
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malis writes:
"Has-Been" ?? How about "Never Was"
February 19, 2009
9:21 a.m.
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Oh_Wise_One writes:
HolierThanThou writes: "Conservatives always fail because they're full of fear and nonsense."
You got us confused with your Obamessiah? He of the catastrophic doom & gloom great depression of 2009 end of the world the sky is falling Barry Hussein?
LOL at the fools who drink the Koolaid of the dhimmicrats.
February 19, 2009
9:24 a.m.
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DeimosJB writes:
I don't see why this story is significant.
Politician decides he's more Democrat than Republican, calls Republicans losers. Full story at 10.
Did I miss something?
February 19, 2009
9:35 a.m.
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Willy writes:
Now_You_Know writes:
GOP is a joke!
And the Democratic party is a joke
February 19, 2009
9:36 a.m.
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GK writes:
Ah nothing is more refreshing than washed up Republicans fighting with each other.
February 19, 2009
9:37 a.m.
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tjpatriot writes:
I would only have one question: When is he up for re-election, and who can we get to replace him?
Congratulations Rep. Don Marostica, you've just joined the 90%+ of incumbents that need to be dumped at the first opportunity.
February 19, 2009
9:40 a.m.
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Now_You_Know writes:
Oh-Stupid_One
You are a party hack! What would John SIDNEY McCain do? Maybe you forgot the American people have spoken and don’t trust your party to fix the problem they got us in!
Just like the neocon you are, it is easy to talk crap about Obama than talk up one person in your party!
Please tell me about your (R) person who will lead your party to the promise land and fix our Countries problems....Still thinking...
Maybe stick to haten, the way of the neocon
February 19, 2009
9:50 a.m.
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mmannino writes:
Marostica should be removed from his position on the joint budget committee. I think he would be better to switch parties. He is opposed to the core conservative principle of limited government.
Limiting the cap is a bad idea. The cap has restrained government spending in Colorado preventing the situation in Colorado from becoming like California. The budget challenges in Colorado are far less severe than California and a number of other states.
Many on the left want more government spending. I challenge those on the left to demonstrate their committment by voluntarily paying more taxes. Many of those advocating more government spending want you to pay more taxes but they do not want to pay more taxes.
February 19, 2009
9:51 a.m.
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SheikYurBooty writes:
Caldera was a "has-been" years ago. Is there anyone more irrelevant in CO today than Caldera??
The Independence Institute has become a non-think partisan tank.
February 19, 2009
9:53 a.m.
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Slimjim_800 writes:
Finally a politician with some mathematical sense. The budget should have provisions for years that are outliers and should use some type of smoothing method so its is not so erratic. There is something to be said for gov't services that are consistent and reliable and not subject to the whim of booms and busts.
February 19, 2009
9:57 a.m.
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gs writes:
I'm in Denver so I'm a Democrat. But Richard Stacy, a very good local columnist, said that the Republican party in Colorado was going down the wrong road. He made a lot of sense. Stacy recommended returning to the more secular big tent of Ronald Reagan. I'd love to vote for smaller government and lower taxes but not at the expense of terrible roads and the vilification of my homosexual neighbors. Maybe Rep Marostica is on the right track and is very brave.
February 19, 2009
9:59 a.m.
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February 19, 2009
10:06 a.m.
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GK writes:
They could add John Andrews to that list of has-beens.
February 19, 2009
10:20 a.m.
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JMH writes:
Marostica, I applaud you!
Seems I was wrong... Not ALL Republicans are narrowminded sheep who always blindly follow the rest of the pack!
He is 100% right about Caldara too... He is the ultimate loser. Think about it, has there been ONE cause Caldara has pimped that hasn't gone down in flames in the last decade?
Please keep rolling Caldara out NeoCons, it almost always leads to instant defeat! LOL...
Maybe if more Republicans used your own minds and didn't blindly follow the lies spewed on AM talk radio day after day... the GOP wouldn't be almost completely irrelevant today with the majority of Americans...
But the all out smears and attacks on Marostica begin on 630AM & 850AM in... 3...2...1...
P.S.
gs, I'm with you... I used to vote Republican until it became apparant that the party was no longer about civil liberties and fisical responsibilty, but had become a religious party that feeds on hate and fear to get the mindless & scared to support their super-rich and corporate masters!
February 19, 2009
10:23 a.m.
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dmat44 writes:
Right on, Now_You_Know! You got it dead right in your remarks to Oh_Wise_One (better known as Oh_Stupid_One). Too bad Oh_Stupid_One and his ilk didn't have a better candidate to clean up the mess that Bush made. You'd better hope, for all of our sakes, that the Dems can do a better job at AGAIN cleaning up the messes the Bushes have left behind.
February 19, 2009
10:24 a.m.
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DougH writes:
mmannino writes: "Marostica should be removed from his position on the joint budget committee.... He is opposed to the core conservative principle of limited government".
You have defined the problem perfectly. The core conservative principle of limited government is the ideology of "has beens and losers".
Citizens of the state expect the government to work for them and accomplish common goals that benefit the people. Laissez faire government , or what you Libertarians call limited government, has proven to be a disaster for most people and has caused untold misery and hardship.
February 19, 2009
10:26 a.m.
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JustSayin writes:
The neocons think the best way to discredit government of any kind is to break it. Look at Douglas County (we don't want to pay no stinkin' taxes! BTW, we're broke), look at California (previous home of many Doug. Co. residents), look at our huge federal deficit.
Now, there IS a place at the table for intelligent ideas about smaller, leaner, efficient government. That conversation is NOT coming from the 'no taxes, no how, TABOR, TABOR, TABOR' neocon right. Unfortunately, it's not coming from our "we won-so stuff it!" 'progressive' politicos, either.
February 19, 2009
10:46 a.m.
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Diff writes:
The GOP is such a fine, kinda and supportive group . . . as long as they are in control and each is getting his share...
The infighting that often hurts the Dems seems to have moved to the Repubs these days -
Think Tanks - just another form of special interest, mutual admiration group. I think they should weld most of the "tanks" shut!
February 19, 2009
10:50 a.m.
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gopbodybagz writes:
more gop bodybagz! LOL!
February 19, 2009
10:51 a.m.
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T1anda writes:
Socrates the goal of the left is to reimpose the "Fairness Doctrine"(baaaad news)!
A Democratic controlled Congress and the Obama FCC will work hard to that end!
Socrates will be thrilled to know that if imposed the "so-called "Fairness Doctrine" will gaurantee that talk radio and other voices of political opposition will be shut down.
Have a nice day Comrade.
February 19, 2009
10:52 a.m.
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GladysKravitz writes:
Wow...a republican with clarity....Caldera is old news...sadly he still has a mic on the radio for his own ego.
February 19, 2009
11:08 a.m.
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ou8one2 writes:
I like the democraps ideas: tax everyone at 95% of their income and put 98% of the people on welfare, then let the top 2% of rich people take care of everyone. No spending limits for government (liberals all know that money from the government is free money), and give everyone everything they want without having to work for it: homes, cars, TV's, computers, internet and cable, steak for dinner every night. No discipline, no boundaries, no checkout lines at the stores because it will all be FREE!!!! The American people will be able to spend their whole lives on vacation; why bother with college or working? It will be paradise once the neo-libs and democraps get done with their programs. I can hardly wait!!!!!
February 19, 2009
11:13 a.m.
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JMH writes:
T1,
Looks like you are lying... Obama opposes the Fairness Doctrine... This is from FOXNews too... and we know they NEVER lie, right?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first...
That said the Fairness Doctrine needs to come back... Would stop all the lying and division caused by the propagandists on conservative talk radio... that is why they fear it so.
February 19, 2009
11:15 a.m.
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February 19, 2009
11:25 a.m.
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SheikYurBooty writes:
ou8one2 - you need to grow up my friend.
February 19, 2009
11:29 a.m.
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T1anda writes:
JMH..Yep, and Obama also said there would be transparency for American citizens during his administration. Notice how much transparency was in the "porkulus" package he just zoomed through?? You're relying on Fox news now?? Bwahaaha!
February 19, 2009
11:35 a.m.
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MBR693 writes:
HolierThanThou writes:
"Conservatives say they don't like taxes so they run us all deep into debt."
Actually, overspending and borrowing causes debt. Your statement seems to inherently presuppose that taxes should always keep up with spending, rather than limiting spending to keep up with the budget.
"How about taxing what has money? The conservatives don't want to tax the rich, as if they can't afford to pay."
No, it's just that we don't believe people who work hard and make a lot of money are evil. We also don't think that people who have more money be forced to subsidize the rest of the population simply because of a liberal ideology that says that anyone who makes more money than me is "rich" and therefore evil and corrupt. You need to quit reading those "independent" news mags.
"The fact is that after offshoring jobs and pocketing the salaries of millions of now unemployed Americans, executives and the wealthy can afford to pay for ten or more stimulus packages. It's chump change to them."
What does this have to do with anything? Or are you just in another hysteria of anger? Maybe we can kill everyone who is "rich". Would you stop complaining then?
February 19, 2009
11:45 a.m.
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FCZ writes:
Santelli says
“..we’re thinking of having a Chicago Tea Party in July...
all you capitalists that want to show up at Lake Michigan, I’m going to start organizing...”
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video...
February 19, 2009
11:46 a.m.
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mrwiizrd writes:
"tjpatriot writes:
I would only have one question: When is he up for re-election, and who can we get to replace him?
Congratulations Rep. Don Marostica, you've just joined the 90%+ of incumbents that need to be dumped at the first opportunity."
Well said.
February 19, 2009
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ou8one2 writes:
DougH you are a spinless POS. Put down your crack pipe and stop believing what the democraps are feeding you. If, and I say if, you had any brain cells left, you would be able to see exactly what the neo-libs and democraps are doing to this country. But that would take someone as stupid as you are actually trying to think beyond you small drug addled brain. You are a typical democrap voter, a mindless moron who still live in his parents basement smoking weed, because you cannot hold a job. Loser!
February 19, 2009
12:07 p.m.
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gs writes:
Some of the commenters seem to be foaming at the mouth. Please stop calling names and make some sensible arguments. One might even propose some specifics such as what budgets to cut or programs to end.
February 19, 2009
12:16 p.m.
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sawzallartist writes:
once again...
all you libertarian/less gov't types.......
Please have a peanut butter sandwich and take a drive on the Evans bridge over Santa Fe.
February 19, 2009
12:17 p.m.
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the_ripper writes:
DougH writes:
bxwatso; What a load of BS. I am sorry, but your name calling is pathetic.
What's pathetic is you thinking somewhere in that post there's name calling. Do you read English? Point out the "name calling".
February 19, 2009
12:19 p.m.
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the_ripper writes:
Long live TABOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 19, 2009
12:39 p.m.
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mrwiizrd writes:
"sawzallartist writes:
once again...
all you libertarian/less gov't types.......
Please have a peanut butter sandwich and take a drive on the Evans bridge over Santa Fe."
Will do, because obviously big gov't has our best interests in mind with $11 Trillion in debt on the balance sheet, the overwhelming successes of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Public Education, The War in Iraq, The War in Afghanistan, The War in Pakistan, Freddie and Fannie, HUD, the Digital TV conversion, and on and on….
Nothing to see here, no reason to be skeptical whasoever….
/sarcasm
February 19, 2009
12:50 p.m.
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gs writes:
Gen,
I'm not going to argue with your recommendations. I wonder what would happen to you if you were an elected official and tried to get number ten in to the law? Speaking of tarred and feathered. But I really think a lot of the budget goes to health care for the indigent. So lets cut big numbers not tiny ones maybe? Any suggestion in that area?
February 19, 2009
12:56 p.m.
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yaakovwatkins writes:
Hillman and Caldara may be wrong. But calling them losers and has-beens says more about Marostica than it does about Hillman and Caldara.
February 19, 2009
1:09 p.m.
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GK writes:
"You Democrats are fecking morons, pure and simple."
Very profound indeed.
February 19, 2009
1:13 p.m.
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prk166 writes:
I'm not sure why Rep. Marostica resorted to name calling. Maybe he was having a bad day. A lot of times though it's a sign of someone who doesn't want to actually delve into the issue itself and address it. I don't blame him for that. I believe that one digs into it, the money is there for different programs. Our most recent proposed state budget was over $19 billion dollars. It was a 5% increase at time when inflation is if not negative, barely above zero.
The problems are two fold. The first is that some programs like medicaid and other similar entitlement programs are seeing huge increases in spending. This is having an impact on money left over for other programs.
The other problem is there are few politicians who are willing to admit this. They would rather chase after TABOR or anything else they can falsely accuse of being the problem. And they hate that they have to prioritize spending according to what resources they have. Remember, in politics there is often much to gain and little to loose by making sure some small but vocal group gets what it wants.
I don't blame the for doing this. Finding solutions for issues like the run away costs of medicaid are not easy. And in terms of politics there are a lot of risks involved. Nevertheless, the root issues need to be addressed. Politicians need to show that they're not simply pandering for votes but willing and capable to be leaders.
That said, one other thing about Tabor, there is a flip side to not having spending restrictions enforced on politicians. We could end up like California were even in the face of recession they're not only slashing some spending but committing economic suicide in raising a variety of taxes. Why? Because they have $42 billion dollar budget deficit to close. Now one may see "well, these things happen". But they were in this pickle @5 years ago and they've gone and done it again. That is despite the 5 years ago a gov essentially being fired for it and another coming into office promising to clean things up. Without a constitutional limit on spending, eventually the politicians will put us into the same position as California is today. And as they've shown there, they'll keep doing it over and over again.
February 19, 2009
1:13 p.m.
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denverinfidel writes:
The spending limits in this state work precisely as planned.
California / NY / NJ / MI are all the examples one needs of what happens when the inmates run the asylum.
February 19, 2009
1:19 p.m.
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DougH writes:
Gen: You seem to be getting a little worked up over all of this. Your suggested budget cuts would not even get by a sub-committee, even when Republicans ran the place. And it is always laughable that Conservatives always want to cut things they don't like.
Of course, you seem to forget that Conservative Republicans ran the show in Colorado with Owens and Andrews and Caldara at the RTD. The voters of Colorado threw them out and brought the Democrats back in after about 40 years of being in the minority. So, say what you will, but it is a new day and the old conservative line is a "has been and a loser" to the people of the state.
February 19, 2009
1:21 p.m.
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Barron writes:
How about the new "Off the hook" republican PR plan? I laughed myself a stomach stitch reading the new RNC Chair's plan this morning to "update the GOP’s image by translating it to "urban-suburban hip-hop settings." LOL!!!!! The image of angry old men with gold grilles and saggy pants is more than I can handle!
February 19, 2009
1:46 p.m.
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mpinco writes:
Someone should ask Marostica how his plan to remove spending limits would not send Colorado down the same path as California.
I bet he can't produce a coherent answer.
February 19, 2009
1:55 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Marostica you have just branded yourself as a "has-been." By turning rogue you, too, shall join the ranks of the lame duck incumbents. Hopefully to never again be in charge of any $ other than those you can panhandle.
February 19, 2009
1:59 p.m.
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7Dave7 writes:
I wonder if any of you Democrats have paid your full share in taxes to pay for all of the government spending that you claim that we need? If you are anything like Obama's cabinet, chances are you have not. Why don't you put your money where your mouths are and donate a higher percentage of your paycheck to the treasury? I guarantee they will take it and use it for the "good" of the people. At least then you could sleep at night knowing you are not hypocrites. Any takers?
February 19, 2009
2:13 p.m.
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7Dave7 writes:
DougH you are devoid of any substance. Gen gave you 10 awesome suggestions and you came up with nothing. When Owens was in office, we had refunds coming in the mail because the state had collected too much money. I'm sure being a typical hypocritical Democrat, you kept your refund check. You should have sent it back you "never was"! Way to go Gen!
February 19, 2009
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gopbodybagz writes:
oh yeah?! my dad can beat your dad! LMAO
February 19, 2009
2:18 p.m.
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Lowtaxequalsfreedom writes:
Oh look at the Democrats revel.
They love turncoats!
Marostica,
We have enough rino's, leave the party!
February 19, 2009
2:30 p.m.
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2cafes writes:
I am so thrilled Marostica is actually trying to solve some of these problems. Who remembers the representative who held the seat prior to Marostica? ... WELKER!!! Remember the headlines he caused? Racist emails ring a bell anyone? Thankfully we finally have someone actually attempting to be a part of the solution -- regardless of if you agree with him. This Loveland resident is satisfied.
February 19, 2009
2:44 p.m.
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gs writes:
Please don't characterize all Democrats as tax and spend. I do think I see some budget problems and the comments so far would put about a nickle back in the state budget. Any other ideas?
February 19, 2009
3:04 p.m.
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O_TRAIN writes:
Rinos, Winos, lack-o-spinos, whatever. Republicans cannibalizing Republicans who have cannibalized Republicans. It's not like Goldwater didn't warn you where the party was headed about twenty years ago.
My kingdom for a Goldwater.
February 19, 2009
3:20 p.m.
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JMH writes:
Please NeoCons, keep throwing out everyone out of the GOP who dares question your failed policies and your blind idology... Soon it will just be Rush and a few dittoheads left in the GOP!
Please keep making sure you keep shrinking that "big tent", it will keep you irrelevant and nothing more than a fringe party for decades to come! Thank you all for being shortsighted and narrowminded. LOL... Keep turning away more and more members who you don't consider "TRUE CONSERVATIVES"...
Problem is most of you aren't "true conservatives". Most of you are NeoCons... if you were "true conservatives", we would have been hearing all this whinning and crying when Bush was deficit spending 5 times as much money and putting this country into debt at record levels!
But please, don't let me get in the way of your ex-communication of the "infidels" among you in the NeoCon cult of failure and fairy tales... I'm rather enjoying watching you tear each other apart!
February 19, 2009
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jonnyrotten writes:
Traditionally, liberals have supported a large government actively involved in society on every level. They placed the benefit of the people as a whole over the interests of the individual, by promoting social welfare programs for the poor and higher taxes on the rich to cover the cost.
Conservatives are exactly the opposite. They supported a smaller, centralized government that strictly enforced the law, but otherwise tended to refrain from intervening in affairs of the individual or in the economy. They strongly supported Adam Smith’s concept of capitalism, which suggested that the economy should be primarily regulated by the laws of supply and demand.
These concepts have less and less to do with the current agendas of either party.
Obama ran and won the campaign on change. All Obama changed was which political party would dole out American taxpayer monies.
February 20, 2009
7:39 a.m.
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Lowtaxequalsfreedom writes:
Neocons and Neomarxist.
Is there a difference?