Officials say disruption, not Obama T-shirt, earned boy suspension

By John C. Ensslin, Rocky Mountain News (Contact), Alan Gathright, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published September 22, 2008 at 10:48 p.m.

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Daxx Dalton ,11, and his father, Dann Dalton, talk about the Aurora fifth-grader being suspended from school for wearing a homemade T-shirt that said "Obama a terrorist's best friend." Daxx and his father, Dann, say his First Amendment rights were violated. Citing student privacy, Aurora Public Schools spokeswoman Paula Hans said she could not discuss specifics of the Dalton case, including confirming whether the boy had been suspended.

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September 22, 2008

10:59 p.m.

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EZBakeOven writes:

"Dann Dalton told Fox 31 News he's considering a lawsuit."

Jeezus Bejeezus, how surprising. I suppose if your kid wore a shirt that said "Kill Cops" that would be okay too, Mr. Dalton? Get a grip. These are fifth graders, not college students.
September 22, 2008

11:20 p.m.

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KING writes:

What a cowardly dad who is hiding behind his daugther and free speech argument. Granted the student should be able to wear what ever she wishes, but the fact that he would dress his 11 year old daughter in his political beliefs is sad. He knew that would get attention and he knew that he would get press milage out of it. Shame on the dad!
September 22, 2008

11:29 p.m.

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September 22, 2008

11:29 p.m.

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awakenedcitizen writes:

Ouch, this is a tough one. I believe in free speech; and I am an Obama supporter who is sick and tired of the lies being perpetuated about him. I just chuckled thinking of Dann Dalton having any kind of a disagreement with McCain--he'd see who the terrorist with a flash temper was. If he talked with Obama, he would probably calm down because obama is pretty unflappable.
September 22, 2008

11:30 p.m.

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AC writes:

Funny that the foreign terrorists only attacked the US homeland while a Republican was president. And they claim to be the party that would keep us safe? They failed. Bush didn't even read the memo on bin Laden prior to his vacation and 9/11. Some protector!

Republicans are the terrorists' best friends, Dann Dalton. Use your brain and calculate how many new terrorists have been created by our "errorist" in the Whtie House.
September 22, 2008

11:31 p.m.

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September 22, 2008

11:53 p.m.

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DJ writes:

I’m voting for Obama and I support free speech. However, I’m with the school spokesperson. The main function of the school is to teach and if something is distracting from that, it should be eliminated. But there’s something deeper here; extra unnecessary letters in names are making up for a lacking elsewhere. And kids aren’t born being mean and hateful. They’re taught by parents too dumb to break the chain of ignorance.
September 23, 2008

12:19 a.m.

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SteveM writes:

What's more dangerous and unreal is that this father thinks this is a great way to send his kid off to school. What's he teaching his son? I know there are neo-cons who pray every day that it will rain on Obama's parade. They call people who support Obama disciples. Funny thing is that they are the ones that show unwavering support for their party regardless of the candidates. Talk about being disciples? This t-shirt is a classic example, and Mr. Dalton probably got this idea from a neo-con radio talk show. The funny thing is these people cannot walk in other people's shoes for five seconds. If a kid showed up at school that said "McCain is a Terrorist's Best Friend" the neo-cons would be outraged. "How dare they say that about a former POW." If it were "Palin is the rest of the world that wants to take over the USA's best friend because she knows too little to even realize the rest of the world she cannot see from her back yard is chomping at the bit due to our idiotic international relations policies for the past 8 fruitless years and the neo-con backed GWB has created more terrorists in the last 6 years than existed before added together from all of history." Well, then they'd want that kid crucified.

Here's some good advice for neo-con parents, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If you don't want to see 1000 kids show up at your kids school with t-shirts saying "John McCain's War Created All the Terrorists" then maybe you shouldn't send you kid to school with anti-Obama t-shirts. Don't make you kid a laughing stock of the universe!
September 23, 2008

12:19 a.m.

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paratyper writes:

Ironic that this becomes a free speech issue. This isn't about Daxx's free speech -- this is a father using his kids to get attention. I think it's very plausible that an 11-year-old's free speech is violated if an adult in a position of authority puts them up to doing something. I hope Daxx is allowed the freedom to make his own decisions when he's older, without an overbearing father's influence.
NobodyElse -- you're out of line. The boy is 11 and and being used. Go after the dad.
September 23, 2008

12:42 a.m.

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Staalhjerte writes:

Daxx...wrap yourself up in the flag REAL tight while using the constitution as toilet paper and wasting tax paper money on something totally frivolous.

People like you make me sick no matter what political party they proclaim.
September 23, 2008

12:44 a.m.

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ajcole22 writes:

AC, the world trade center was also attacked in 1993, during bill clinton's presidency, a bomb in a truck in the parking lot. try reading a little history.
September 23, 2008

1:50 a.m.

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September 23, 2008

2:48 a.m.

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gwats writes:

My son attended East Middle school in Aurora as 5th grader. He once wrote a note out of frustration to a fellow student wishing a fellow 5th grader who was antagonizing him would 'die'. The note was intercepted by an alert teacher's aide. I was called @ home by the Dean of students and alerted to the situation. I was informed that he would be suspended for 3 days for making a threat of violence against a fellow student. Unfair? Over the top? You bet! But, I talked with my boy and asked him if he remembered the school's Zero Tolerance policy we had discussed prior to his starting the school year. He said he did and acknowledged his harmless note violated that policy. He did his three days of punishment @ home and went back to school. He has never violated that policy since.
My son's behavior was disruptive to the learning process and I did not like him being suspended, but took it in stride because youngsters goof up. If the senior Daxx wants to help his son, he'll SHUT UP, acknowledge that he failed as a parent in this case, and instruct his child to keep Political discussions inside the house, at the dinner table or going with Mom or Dad when they protest or demonstrate and exercise their first amendment rights, instead of using their child to push their personal bias and political agendas. Kids have it tough enough. Shame on YOU, Mr. Daxx, for using a little kid as a political football. You are responsible for the clothes he wears so this one is on YOU, Daddy. Lawsuit? Why don't you write 500 times; "I will not be a Dill-weed in front of my Son" Single-spaced with a no. 3 pencil?
September 23, 2008

2:51 a.m.

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gwats writes:

My son attended East Middle school in Aurora as 5th grader. He once wrote a note out of frustration to a fellow student wishing a fellow 5th grader who was antagonizing him would 'die'. The note was intercepted by an alert teacher's aide. I was called @ home by the Dean of students and alerted to the situation. I was informed that he would be suspended for 3 days for making a threat of violence against a fellow student. Unfair? Over the top? You bet! But, I talked with my boy and asked him if he remembered the school's Zero Tolerance policy we had discussed prior to his starting the school year. He said he did and acknowledged his harmless note violated that policy. He did his three days of punishment @ home and went back to school. He has never violated that policy since.
My son's behavior was disruptive to the learning process and I did not like him being suspended, but took it in stride because youngsters goof up. If the senior Dalton wants to help his son, he'll SHUT UP, acknowledge that he failed as a parent in this case, and instruct his child to keep Political discussions inside the house, at the dinner table or going with Mom or Dad when they protest or demonstrate and exercise their first amendment rights, instead of using their child to push their personal bias and political agendas. Kids have it tough enough. Shame on YOU, Mr. Dalton, for using a little kid as a political football. You are responsible for the clothes he wears so this one is on YOU, Daddy. Lawsuit? Why don't you write 500 times; "I will not be a Dill-weed in front of my Son" Single space with a no. 3 pencil?
September 23, 2008

3:23 a.m.

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roger44 writes:

if the Dad wanted to express that opinion, he should have put it on his vehicle. but he hides behind the kid. he is a coward.
September 23, 2008

3:48 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Schools have a right to enforce a uniform code of conduct in compulsitory educational facilities. By Dann Dalton's free speech arguement being proffered, if it were a free speech issue, kids should be allowed to wear gang affilliations, National Socialist Party Symbols, Brown Barets, God Hates Homosexuals, anything they like no matter how disruptive to the school or the safety of others. None of the above is illegal, but should it be allowed in a school requiring manditory attendance of all people's children? No, Dann Dalton was given 3 options by the school, he chose the most drastic punishment for his child. Makes you wonder about Mr. Dalton to inflict such a hardship on his child. It's his right to believe as he desires, but it's also the schools right to maintain uniform policies as they pertain to free speech. If I sent my daughter to school with NAZI cross to symbolize her political views, or a shirt saying Homosexuals belong in Hell according to God, can I say it's my right to free speech and they have to honor it? In the 60's girls were sent home if their dress was too short, some schools restricted the lenth of hair on boys, today things have evolved in our society. That doesn't mean I have free speech rights in school to cause a disruption of the orderly administration of public education, especially when it's manditory children attend, unless of course your Amish who are exempted from compulsitory education laws. Dann Dalton, are you desperate for attention, giving your kid a lesion in civics, or just an opportunist looking for a quick buck; either way why use your child and make the kid pay for your agenda? Dann, go to work with a shirt that says, " The President is a Self-Fornicating Socialist, and a Closet Homosexual Bound for Eternal Damnation", and wear it where the customers can see it, let me know if your still employed. If not, sue him for violating your free speech. I wore a shirt in Tampa to work that said "F###" You", but then it was fitting with my employment as a criminal. Before you force your hardship on a kid Dann, you carry the cross first and lead by example!
September 23, 2008

4:08 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Oh an Dann, if the school wins the lawsuit, please be prepared to reimburse their attorney/ legal fees, so the taxpayer isn't stuck with the bill, thanx!
September 23, 2008

4:31 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Worse political shirt I saw so far said, "Obama, a black man running, and not from the police!". Man wore it into my business, I honored his free speech, just wondered if his elevator went to the top floor.
September 23, 2008

4:50 a.m.

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dilligaf writes:

Again makes my argument. Republicans the hate party.
September 23, 2008

5:01 a.m.

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ghostrider76613 writes:

Elementary Schools are for learning and not a political field for airing personal beliefs. Sorry but that's the truth. A little truth goes a long way.
September 23, 2008

5:10 a.m.

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MilesUnltd writes:

I'll bet Dan(n) misspelled Obama on the shirt...Daxx? Hopefully social services will save you from a life with this unedicated patrioooot. Thank whoever he didn't name you Traxx...oops someone already got that label.
September 23, 2008

5:30 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Ah Dilligaf, since the close of the civil war in 1865, the democrats up until the 1960's were the party of the defeated confederacy, southern racists, and the Klu Klux Klan. Most blacks voted republican back in those days. The murderers of many civil rights workers in the south, were known to support the southern democrats by the candidates they supported in the south who wanted to preserve racial segregation. The original racist party in history were the democrats and they held a lock in the south with people like George Wallace and others. They represented white supremacists in the south for over 100 years in our history. The original party of hate as you put it, was the democrats. Just a thought...
September 23, 2008

6:21 a.m.

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coloradojess writes:

Our son's school dress code you can't wear t-shirts that show alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, certain colors because of gangs, bandanas, certain clothes, hats and the list goes on and on. This is a public HS. Even though we might not like it it is the rules so we follow them. Education is our priority. This kid is 11. My 11 year old niece is not into politics. Dad is hiding behind the kid to present his views.
September 23, 2008

6:59 a.m.

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vudumom writes:

If the father believed his child has the right of free speech he shouldn't have put him in school. Every school system has rules. If his father is so outraged that his childs, rights are being violated he should have filed a lawsuit before he started school.
School's have a dress code. Some of the things the students cannot wear are clothing with sports teams logo on it, baggie pants, tank tops, doo rags, any clothing with Insane Clown Posse on it, (they particularly hate them) and any shirt with offensive and rude words or pictures.
I'm no fan of the public school system or Obama but this is not nor it should be acceptable in school. The dad is wrong and this is not something that is a good life lesson for the kid.
September 23, 2008

7:01 a.m.

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Mighty_Mile writes:

ajcole- You read your history, huh? You remarkable little scholar you. Does reading your history really mean typing in "1st World Trade Center bombing" on Wikipedia and hitting enter? How long had Clinton been in office when that attack happened?
September 23, 2008

7:09 a.m.

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Guyincognito writes:

School districts have established dress codes so if they view something that is blatantly offensive then they should give that kid the options they gave him. And freedom of speech isn't all that free in K-12 for kids, especially middle school kids since school papers content is checked.
I also love how the father is hiding behind his kid to express his views.
September 23, 2008

7:17 a.m.

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Billy writes:

Wow, I am sure 11 year old Daxx came up with this idea. It sounds like Dad is letting his stupid prejudice come into play here. The school system did the right thing. Wonder how Dan would've felt if someone wore a home made shirt with McCain wearing say, a saztika on his shirt saying praising the third reich?
September 23, 2008

7:18 a.m.

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LoneTreeLady75 writes:

Wow, the nerve of this "father". Oh, and no he's threatening a lawsuit, how convenient. Definitely not an Obama supporter (or McCain supporter), but this "father" was completely out of line. What does a 5th grader really know about politics??
September 23, 2008

7:25 a.m.

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September 23, 2008

7:29 a.m.

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fastnloose writes:

Out of the mouth of babes.
September 23, 2008

7:39 a.m.

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cdmdenver writes:

Adults understand their right to speech, Children Don't

This is a disgrace, this father trying to extort money from
the school system by placing his kid in controversy-Sick!
Nice example you teach your son, extort the schools
and anyone else you can in life!!
September 23, 2008

7:56 a.m.

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SockRayBlue writes:

The story about Highlands Ranch being high on the economic and intellectual ladder plays a very good opposite to this story.
September 23, 2008

7:57 a.m.

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suffernofools writes:

Mighty_Mile: and how long was President Bush in office before the WTC bombings? That's a pretty short time compared to Clinton's previous 8 years.
September 23, 2008

7:59 a.m.

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dilligaf writes:

LOUIE
I could care less how things where over 200 hundred years ago. I don't know if you have been told yet but this is 2008. And I know what goes on today. Republicans today also are not this conservative, less government they preach today. For example see the money Bush has spent in 8 years and the new government agencies he started (Homeland Security). The spy network.
September 23, 2008

8:01 a.m.

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mytwosense writes:

This reminds me of a funny onesie for babies I saw online. It said "I support my parents' political beliefs."

I agree with the others who state that draping a 5th grader in such an inflammatory shirt is an instance of a parent using their child as a political billboard. Bad call on the part of the dad. To the poster who called the child a name, too, that's just as ugly as what the t-shirt said.
September 23, 2008

8:01 a.m.

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Miss_Kitty_Kat_Girl writes:

And what are your sources 1968 camaro? McCain could be an idiot too seeing that he is so outta touch with the real world.
September 23, 2008

8:02 a.m.

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keoni111 writes:

Election banter aside, the Supreme Court set a precedence for incidents like this almost 30 years ago (Tinker vs. Des Moines). Schools must demonstrate constitutionally valid reasons to limit any speech in the school. The article gave to legitimate reason on the school’s behalf. As it stands now, the school was wrong.
September 23, 2008

8:04 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

You know folks, I knew some kids who attended the School of International Studies downtown, who were quite aware of political subject matter. Not all are kids are that up on it, but I have had the pleasure of meeting a few that were pretty sharp. Two in particular I saw 2 to 3 times a week, I was quite impressed with the broad array of knowledge they had. I don't know much about the School of International Studies, but from what these kids were telling me, your child not only has to test to get in, but must score extremely high to even be selected. They weren't political radicals, just extremely intelligent and quite capable of holding their own in political thought.
September 23, 2008

8:07 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Dilligaf, 1960 isn't quite 200 years ago pal...
September 23, 2008

8:07 a.m.

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Elwood writes:

I just love all the hypocrits running around this post.

I remember last year how proud all the papers were when schools run these mock elections and we are all so proud of the kids when they said they hoped Obama was the winner. And how proud everybody was about how politiclly savy these kids were. Now when someone wears a controversial t-shirt to school (I feel the school is right) slamming Obama, it is "his father's political views being expressed" and not the child's. Funny how our perspective changes.
September 23, 2008

8:08 a.m.

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Scott writes:

While I completely agree with the message on the kids T-shirt the father is a complete jerk for using his kid as a political tool. I abhor it when political freaks on either side use their kids in marches, demonstrations, or in this case, as a billboard.

Scott
September 23, 2008

8:10 a.m.

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snowsurfer writes:

Can we start using the term "angry right" yet?
September 23, 2008

8:14 a.m.

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davies writes:

What this story boils down to is that the brave opinionated Daddy should have worn the T-shirt to work and then accepted the consequences, instead of putting his 11-year old kid up to it.

LOUIE, don't waste too many keystrokes on dilligaffe; he/she is hard core. To him/her, anything anyone does or says against Obama is just further proof that all Republicans are evil incarnate.
September 23, 2008

8:20 a.m.

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hikingartist writes:

I got a call from the principle when my son wore a White Zombie t-shirt (Highway 666?). I told my son to wear the shirt inside out until school was out that day. End of story.
September 23, 2008

8:22 a.m.

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kirbysfriend22 writes:

George Bush is a terrorist's best friend.
September 23, 2008

8:23 a.m.

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JYP3500 writes:

Boy, the liberals posting here are hopping mad & shrill!

Let's see if I understand this. Teachers like Churchill, Bennish, Hallam, and the one that wore the "he ain't my president" button, are all OK, fun & amusing. The liberals howled that it was "free speech".

And now the rock star Barack is rightly attacked for his timid stance on fighting terrorism, and the fact that our enemies are rooting for Barack to win, and boom! The liberals go nuclear.
September 23, 2008

8:25 a.m.

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Mayor_Quimby writes:

The school and most of you just cant stand to hear the truth, huh?

McCain/Palin '08!!
September 23, 2008

8:29 a.m.

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LadyBird112 writes:

JYP3500 writes:

"Let's see if I understand this. Teachers like Churchill, Bennish, Hallam, and the one that wore the "he ain't my president" button, are all OK, fun & amusing. The liberals howled that it was "free speech"."

I sure didn't, and I'm a *gasp* democrat who thinks they're crazy. And, I hate to say it, that free speech is one of THE most abused rights on both sides.
September 23, 2008

8:30 a.m.

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JluvDC writes:

This is why I wish all schools would just adopt official school uniforms. What a waste of time for the court system should this man decide to actually sue. Dress codes are apparently not enough.
September 23, 2008

8:40 a.m.

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Davek80501 writes:

The fact is that the school does not like the liberal indoctrination that they teach challenged by a student or the parents of that student. The T-shirt said "Obama is a terrorist's best friend." Let’s look at the statement on the shirt, does the name Bill Ayers come to mind. Obama’s political career started at Bill Ayers house. Anyone want to argue that Bill Ayers is not an admitted terrorist? The statement on the shirt is true. The school is wrong. Liberal indoctrination is alive and well, they try and teach the students that if they don’t think like the school wants them to think they will be punished. I hope the father does go after the school. It's long past time the liberal indoctrination of students is stopped.
September 23, 2008

8:42 a.m.

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Cowboy63 writes:

a) the father IS out of line, but...

b) as long as there is no school wide ban in place, it IS the kid's right.

Solution: School lets kid come back and bans ALL political slogans on t-shirts.

There is wisdom behind universal dress codes in schools. Kids are leaving public schools unable to read or write and they have time for this stupidity? Give them a rigid dress code and be done with it.
September 23, 2008

8:51 a.m.

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Advent writes:

Seems to me like most of you "informed" posters are missing the obvious issue here , it is NOT about his father's politics or persuasion. It IS about the ability for a school to deem something "disruptive" because it dosen't coincide with what a 5th grader would express.

I'd like to know how a shirt like that "disrupts" a class , considering most voters don't even know about Bill Ayers and Obama's relationship.

At many of my schools the general rule of thumb on fashion is ,

no gangs insignias, profanity , nudity, sexually explicit references drug+alcohol , revealing clothing , or racially charged clothing.

If a shirt like that , can disrupt an entire class for more than a few seconds , the class teacher obviously isn't worth their salary.
Seems to me like school administrator/teacher politics are at play here ...-(
September 23, 2008

8:54 a.m.

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mytwosense writes:

Best I can figure out about Obama's "connection" to Ayers is that they worked for the same education foundation. Fox News has an interesting article about that, including excerpts from minutes taken at one of the meetings Obama was at.

Apparently at the meeting, Obama questioned the foundation's longterm goals:

"The AP reports the minutes characterized Obama’s concerns as twofold: Whether the group was raising additional money and whether money was being used “to prop up existing organizations as opposed to creating fresh educational practices in the schools?”

“At the end of five years, will we have broken the mold? Not much seems to be bubbling up that is inspiring or substantive,” the minutes say, paraphrasing Obama."

Here's the Fox article: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/...

It's not like these two were collaborating on an attack against America. If anything, it appears Obama ultimately wasn't that impressed with the foundation's efforts.
September 23, 2008

8:57 a.m.

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INC writes:

Shaggy, some wisdom there. Sadly though if the kid were to wear a shirt that was politically true as you assert.
then one with
"McCain is one of the keeting 5"
"McCain cooperated with his Vietnamese captors"
"McCain will sell my future to the highest bidder"
or "McCain=bush3"
"McSame as bush"
all would be acceptable?

the kids shirt is a lie yet all my statements are true.
All are inflammatory.
we all know Right wing lies are acceptable to phalin/mcSame.

so should the school tolerate lies, truth or inflammatory statements?
the kid had a choice. Obviously getting suspended would garner an article in the paper. what do you suppose that parent instructed the kid to do?
The parent is at fault for
1) infringing on his kids education.
2) hiding behind the kids treatment.
3) using his kid to make a political statement.
I wonder if the parent wore a similar shirt to work?
or is unemployed because of it.
September 23, 2008

8:58 a.m.

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davies writes:

Daddy Dearest probably drove his son to school in his 11 MPG, one ton 4WD dually pickup, thus helping to ensure the continuing transfer of wealth from the United States to the oil-producing countries that produce most of the Jihadi-type terrorists.

But he's against 'em!
September 23, 2008

9:01 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Let me have fun Davies :>). Hey Dilligaf, you know it was too long ago they were trying to yank the Stars and Bars out of a few of those old southern state flags down there where those southern democrats once ruled. Is that ancient history as well? What about those Reagan democrats, why would they support the "party of hate" in the form of backing a republican's policies? Must be kind of like those Dixiecrats, who start out racist democrats and switch parties. See Dilligaf, many people don't support abortion, gun control, gay marriage, and other liberal agendas, they are traditionally refered to as conservatives. See every election as an independent, I have to often forsake something I don't agree with in one or the other party, in order to vote for the best candidate. Neither of these two are exactly a stellar selection given they both have no economic background at all to speak of. Thus business is running scared, markets are going to continue to collapse, jobs are going to be lost, and those rosy commercials both parties are painting for you to get elected aren't going to materialize with either candidate, and business knows this. You go Dilligaf, vote for the party you think love us the most, I am still searching for more substance in both these candidates. I like Obama in some ways, but he has nothing to show he's capable. Mc Cain is not exactly on top of the game either. Next 4 years are going to be extremely rough in America, regardless of who is elected.
September 23, 2008

9:06 a.m.

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DenverDan writes:

His dad is a redneck. We have some of them in Colorado. Using his kid to make a political statement. SAD!
September 23, 2008

9:08 a.m.

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Davek80501 writes:

mytwosense, A little fact you missed was Obama started his political career started at Bill Ayers house with a fundraiser.
September 23, 2008

9:09 a.m.

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WhadUsay writes:

The administration's first consideration is the safe and smooth running of the school. When this kid is out on her own she can claim free speech all she wants but in school there are different rules. The father is a piece of work and is trying to push his ideas onto his child and it is to her detriment - maybe he needs to be investigated for child endangerment. It wouldn't matter if this kid's t-shirt was pro Obama, McCain, choice, anti-choice, whatever - grade school is no place for it. Neither is high school for that matter.
September 23, 2008

9:10 a.m.

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Davek80501 writes:

DenverDan, and liberals would never use their kids for a political statement. </sarcasm off>
September 23, 2008

9:13 a.m.

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DenGirl writes:

How small-minded...
September 23, 2008

9:19 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Now folks you understand why many schools are advocating uniforms. At my daughter's school, she gets sent home for being out of uniform. She goes to school to study, not to impress with a fashion revue. It lends to equality, especially in poorer schools where not all kids can afford 150 dollar tennis shoes. Thus the school remains focused on education above all other distractions. Private schools of high academic achievement have done it for decades; it's acually quite smart given today's world. My daughter can change into Britney Spears when she gets home.
September 23, 2008

9:22 a.m.

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mytwosense writes:

Davek80501 writes: "mytwosense, A little fact you missed was Obama started his political career started at Bill Ayers house with a fundraiser."

I can't really find any substantive facts verifying that, but even if a meeting was held at Ayers house, so what? They also worked together on the same foundation board.

They definitely knew each other, but by the time they met, Ayers had gone "Establishment Politics," like just about every other 60's radical.

Hell, the Bush family has tighter ties to bin Laden and his family, if you want to worry about terrorist connections.

What exactly are you concerned about, regarding Obama knowing Ayers? Just curious.
September 23, 2008

9:23 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

I'd like to see the school's clothing policy. My son is in sixth grade, and the only limitations on clothing deal mainly with profanity and gang affiliated items- bandannas, hoodies, etc. It does not specifically target t-shirts. IF the t-shirt doesn't violate the school dress code, then the school is blatantly in the wrong.

Regarding the whole "it's distracting to learning", I highly doubt it. Most kids that age are not politically aware; I'm willing to bet $$ it was an adult that complained.

I do find the hypocrisy funny- let's have the kids participate in mock political processes, let's assign papers on candidates, but heaven forbid they actually support a candidate for real! What a message we are sending!
September 23, 2008

9:25 a.m.

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ActualThinker writes:

If this kid was in high school or college I could see it, but sending your kid to school in that as a elementary school is awful parenting. Let your kid be a kid for a while before you start using them to spread your agenda. As a parent it makes me sick, he was rightfully sent home, most schools have a dress code that would cover this so its not like he is within his bounds at all.
September 23, 2008

9:25 a.m.

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engineer writes:

Did the shirt violate dress code rules? Is there a specific rule that bans a shirt like this?

I doubt it.

My money is on the (usually liberal) teachers couldn't handle the statement (however right or wrong it is). Obama fans just can't stand the heat.

They suspended him because they didn't like what it said, period. They will use the distraction argument (yeah right, not buying that for one second) to further their own agendas. Sad that this country's school system has devolved to the point that this would be allowed. I can't believe what this says about how we teach our children what really matters in this country - we NEVER had the right not to be offended, the right TO BE offended is one of the greatest things about the US.

Unless it's got sex, drugs, or booze... it's not anymore distracting than what some of our teen girls (or younger) wear to school everyday. The teachers just couldn't handle it.. too bad. Sounds to me like the 11 year old is more grown up than some of the administrators.
September 23, 2008

9:26 a.m.

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INC writes:

Shaggy,
I agree they won't. not on an untrue political statement. Now if the ACLU did take it up, would that eliminate the republicans hate of them?
September 23, 2008

9:28 a.m.

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geodsherm writes:

If this student is reinstated and allowed to wear the anti-Obama shirt, my daughter will send my grandson to that school wearing his shirt that depicts Palin as a pig with lipstick. Gee, I wonder if right-winger Dann Dalton will defend that shirt as well. I won't hold my breath.
September 23, 2008

9:29 a.m.

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September 23, 2008

9:36 a.m.

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Packerfan writes:

What the hell kinda' name is "Daxx"? And what about old man "Dann"? Sounds like "Grade A" trailer trash. Obviously the old man and kid are lookin' for trouble.
BTW, is this Colorado's version of "The Dalton Gang"???
September 23, 2008

9:40 a.m.

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geodsherm writes:

Packerfan, it comes from the same ideology that picks a vice-presidential candidate who names her kids Track and Trigg.

I'll check back here later. I have to go feed my dog Phydeaux!
September 23, 2008

9:42 a.m.

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DenverDan writes:

Davek80501

I would feel the same way if it McCain. I am a good dad thank you Dave. Quit haten on Liberals punk!
September 23, 2008

9:45 a.m.

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AC writes:

ajcole22 writes: "AC, the world trade center was also attacked in 1993, during bill clinton's presidency, a bomb in a truck in the parking lot. try reading a little history."

And Clinton tracked down, captured and imprisoned those responsible. One of them is in prison right down the highway from us. Bush has failed.
September 23, 2008

9:48 a.m.

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cassidy22 writes:

What's the point of trying to make a political statement on a t-shirt in front of a bunch of 5th graders? What kind of protest is that? 11 year-olds can't vote, so what kind of impact was this father hoping for - other than the lawsuit he thinks he's going to win?
September 23, 2008

9:50 a.m.

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AC writes:

rkymtnskiers writes: "AC, your completely inacurate and insane comment, "Funny that foreign terrorists attacked the US homeland while a republican was president..." Did you forget about the first attack on the World Trade Center that happened during the Clinton Administration, while he was entertaining a White House intern with a cigar? Clinton failed to act accordingly. Your extreme left-wing biased comments absolutely demonstrate that your IQ is lower than your shoe size. Everyone in this country needs to thank George W. Bush for the FACT that not one person has been harmed on American soil by a terrorist attack since 9/11. AC, use the few remaining brain cells you have left that vacuum of a skull, and don't let the biased media influence your 2nd grade mentality."

That's so stupid that we sane people don't know where to start...

Let's see, how about your LIE that Clinton did nothing? He tracked down, caught and punished all those involved. Bush? Invaded the wrong country and no longer cares. Clinton was more effective than Bush even while playing with his cigar. Having no more 9/11s isn't a great accomplishment for Bush... he did nothing to stop it. Went on vacation while UBL prepared to follow through on his known threat.

Your extreme righttard bias shows you're willing to ignore all reality, back a party that failed to keep us safe just because it hasn't happened again yet, and create more terrorists who will attack us for generations.

You're clueless if you think the media is against you. The corporate media has fostered the lie that Republicans are stronger on national security. They are wildly reckless.
September 23, 2008

9:50 a.m.

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rg52 writes:

Bottom line, the shirt had an offensive message, and with zero tolerance,was found to be against school policy, therefore action was taken.

I agree with anothers statement, the Dad should have worn the shirt to work, and dealt with the consequences there, and not hide behind his child's 'shirt'.

As for all the political comments, you all need a lesson in tolerance! Any message that is meant to be a mud slinging comment is offensive. Speak with intelligence and knowledge, not with slurs and ignorance.
If you do not like McCain, let us know with facts to his policies, same for Obama, and not with terrorist comments or KKK comments.

Shame on at least 80% of you, and you know who you are.
September 23, 2008

10:02 a.m.

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Barron writes:

Children don't come into the world naturally stupid, bigoted and hateful. It's the parents that do really stupid things like this and taint their children. It's a really sad story.
September 23, 2008

10:06 a.m.

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rg writes:

It is a reprehensible, repugnant, at fault, revolting, offensive that a father will thrust a dagger into his son as Abraham mandated by God to do so. Dann Dalton is today's Abraham. Richard Grimes: Deicide. http://www.geocities.com/r22037/think...

Deicide Corner: I believe in the complete freedom of thought and speech . . . One of many of Mencken's Creed and if Dann wants to wear the tee-shirt he forces on his son, let him wear it. RG
September 23, 2008

10:11 a.m.

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TooManyLibsInColorado writes:

But, you all are forgetting one thing, obama is a muslum, he associates with terrorists and those who hate this country. He has no viable plan for the country, yes he delivers a good speach, but do not confuse form over substance - he is an empty suit. Have any of you over achievers ever thought that a 5th grader could form an opinion and see right through this guy. I know that the public schools in Colorado are very bad and only teach from the left, but this kid might be on to something.
September 23, 2008

10:13 a.m.

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nocojames writes:

It's not an untrue political statement, it's figurative language. If someone says 'diamonds are a girls best friend' or 'dog is man's best friend' do you really think people are literally 'best friends' with a hunk of carbon or a dog? No...it means that party A (girl/man/terrorist) is especially fond of party B (diamonds/dog/Obama). Hamas endorses Obama for POTUS...hence, Obama is a terrorist's best friend.
Oh, and for the other 95% of posters on here, who are obviously hypocritical, brain-dead liberals, keep your comments about Dann's parenting skills in mind next time you see a child carrying their parent's Obama sign or 'Keep Abortion Legal' sign. And way to carry on the time-honored liberal tradition of interpreting the constitution what ever way you see fit. Speech is free until you disagree with it, huh? What's 'distracting' about an anti-Obama shirt anyway? Are the teachers afraid that their feeble little brainwashed minds might be overwhelmed by a dissenting opinion?
September 23, 2008

10:14 a.m.

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familyortiz writes:

Dann Dalton represents the worst that was brought here from europe and has been perpetuated ever since, not unlike neo nazis. I wished we could ship them back.
September 23, 2008

10:17 a.m.

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McGowdog writes:

So let me get this straight; the more fanatic Republicans like to call Obama a terrorist, and the more fanatic Democrats like to call Sarah's husband an incesting child rapist.

Perfect.
September 23, 2008

10:22 a.m.

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INC writes:

rkymtnskiers,
aaah yes the what party to blame argument...

well Clinton did Warn bush about alqueda and bush ignored the warnings. epic failure. then has since neglected to actually go after Binladen.

both of things are true and republicans only place blame elsewhere. Never taking responsibility of their failures themselves.

wheres binladen again?
September 23, 2008

10:24 a.m.

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PonchoVia writes:

The fact is, the best the Republicans can do in their feeble attempts to discredit Obama is "guilty by association". They fail to consider the fact that Obama, like most public figures, have thousands of acquaintences. If you look deeper you will find that statements such as are on the kid's shirt are shameful and slanderous.

McCain is a liar. He'll say anything, anywhere, to anyone to serve his self-interest. Here is just a short list of McSame's statements being called out for what they are - LIES:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/151621

http://pundits.thehill.com/2008/07/30...

http://alligatorreport.wordpress.com/...

http://mediamatters.org/items/2008022...

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-20...

McSame = LIAR.

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September 23, 2008

10:25 a.m.

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Barron writes:

McGowdog, i hadn't heard the part about palin's husband being an incestual child rapist, is that something in the republican rumor mill? Anyway, anyone who sends a 5th grader to school wearing something like that is wrong. It wouldn't matter if the t-shirt said mccain is a terrorist lover (nevermind that the shirt the kid was wearing was stupid, it was also offensive), 5th grade isn't the place for that sort of thing. It would be good for them to discuss current events and politics in general, but it's hard enough to teach children social skills as it is (read the message boards and see what people grow up to become if you want to understand what I mean). it is the wrong place. You wouldn't wear a t-shirt like that to work, if you had any sense. So, the parents were wrong, and the school was within their rights to correct the situation. gwats said it best, and is an example of good parenting.
September 23, 2008

10:26 a.m.

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Sensible writes:

A note to the Daltons:

Don't let anyone try to tell you that you did something wrong.

Sometimes the truth hurts... kinda life freedom.

Obamamama, the friend of the .......... , wouldn't know much about that.
September 23, 2008

10:33 a.m.

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PonchoVia writes:

Republicans can't say anything good about their own candidate so they slander the opponent.

The majority of Americans know the truth about Obama - that he is here to fight for us, rather than the lobbyists and special interests. Here's the poll tracker - Obama ahead and the lead is growing:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics...

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September 23, 2008

10:35 a.m.

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Davek80501 writes:

mytwosense writes:" I can't really find any substantive facts verifying that, but even if a meeting was held at Ayers house, so what? They also worked together on the same foundation board.
They definitely knew each other, but by the time they met, Ayers had gone "Establishment Politics," like just about every other 60's radical."

You can google this: Time article by Michael Kinsley Thursday, May. 29, 2008.
Ayers threw a fund-raising party for Obama at his home in Ill.
Ayers and Dohrn spent 11 years setting off bombs and putting out statements threatening violent revolution. They promised to kill innocent Americans and praised the lunatic murderer Charles Manson. In 1981 two policemen and a security guard were killed in the botched holdup of a Brinks truck.
Ayers put it well: "Guilty as hell, and free as a bird. It's a great country."
Well mytwosense, I think that about covers it, and proves that the statement on the T-shirt is true.
Do you still think that there aren't any substantive facts verifying that? Also will you now concede the fact that Obama has terrorist friends?
Or are you saying that since "Ayers had gone "Establishment Politics," like just about every other 60's radical."
It's ok now, and just because he did committed terrorist acts before he became a "Establishment Politics," it does not count anymore?
September 23, 2008

10:36 a.m.

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jay045 writes:

As an Obama supporter, I have a different take: the kid should have been allowed to wear the shirt. I think schools overreact sometimes, and they could have used the shirt as a teaching point, asking the kid why he believes Obama is a terrorist and having class discussions on free speech, what the definition of terrorism is, and the presidential election. Instead the overreaction.
September 23, 2008

10:42 a.m.

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hastcoach1 writes:

I am surprised that more people haven't read, studied or heard about a US Supreme Court case called Tinker v Des Moines. Having studied this case from the Vietnam War era the Tinker parents received much of the same treatment that a lot of those who have commented are leveling at Dann Dalton. The ruling in Tinker case supported the rights of the Tinker CHILDREN to wear black arm bands to school to protest the US involvement in Vietnam. Furthermore the principal had to show that wearing the arm bands would or did cause a substantial interference with the functioning of the school day. In all the news stories I did not read where the School District or School Officials showed that the t-shirt would or did cause a substantial disruption in the school day. Besides this is a topic of "legitimate" debate, which also came out of the Tinker decision from the 1960s.

Another issue here is at what age do people become politically aware and are capable of thinking politically. I think if everyone who took a Poli Sci class they would remember that it is around 11-12 years of age. Besides political socialization tells us that we first learn our political views from our families. I suggest that we all celebrate a father teaching his son to up hold his freedom of speech instead of hammering him. The school and school district should not be suppressing an expression of speech unless it did cause a disruption.
September 23, 2008

10:42 a.m.

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davis_x_machina writes:

A correspondent upthread refers to the first WTC attack with a truck bomb in underground parking seemingly oblivious, as are most wingnuts, of the fact that all of the perpetrators of that attack were identified, tracked down, arrested, tried and given long prison sentences and all of that within the constitutional limits of the American legal system. No bloated bureaucracy of the HSA, the patriot act or borderline illegal surveillance of American citizens was required. I'd recommend your recommendation back to you. try reading a little history and not the ideomythological stuff on wingnut websites.
September 23, 2008

10:44 a.m.

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O_TRAIN writes:

Instead of going "negative" on Obama, the kid should have worn a "positive" t-shirt giving a statement of why anyone should vote for McCain - no one would have a problem with a plain white t-shirt.
September 23, 2008

10:44 a.m.

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rg writes:

I found the biblical Abraham thrusting his knife (sort of like Mormonites thrust their bowie knife to castrate apostates and those who won't obey): Richard Grimes: Deicide.

Then there was that nonsensical business with Abraham, whom you ordered to kill his son Isaac as a sacrifice to you, and the yellow-livered old phony actually agreed to do it, instead of telling you to bug off, as any decent parent would have done. Then, mind you, as the knife is coming down on the kid’s throat you holler, “Just kidding!” and trot out a ram to be sacrificed instead.
September 23, 2008

10:47 a.m.

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mytwosense writes:

Davek, I doubt that Ayers is repentant of his activities in the sixties, I just don't think he's doing anything remotely similar now. Or has plans to. He's a professor at a college, he sits on the board of different foundations, and he's basically gone "mainstream."

I also doubt Obama really knew who he was when he met him. I'm sure he was enlightened at some point, but probably shrugged it off since obviously Ayers was by then accepted into Chicago's mainstream political circles. And other than sitting on the same board of a foundation Obama eventually concluded was ineffective, and a fundraiser for Obama, it's really a stretch to view Ayers as a hardcore presence in Obama's 12-year career as a politician.

What's more, it's not like Obama has tried to hide his association with Ayers. None of Obama's critics would have much ammunition against him if Obama hadn't published frank autobiographies of his life.

The truth is, Ayers does seem a bit out there, but he comes from a wealthy, politically established family in Chicago. I'm sure just about every politician in Chicago knows Ayers, or knows his father, and has probably interacted with him far more than Obama has.

Does that make these people "a terrorist's best friend"?
September 23, 2008

10:48 a.m.

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TooManyLibsInColorado writes:

Hey pancho,

Keep on drinking the "cool aide" ! Just sit back and let the libs tax you right out of business. But I am sure that they will come up with another freebee social program to make you feel better about your self. Remember obama is all about control and taking your freedom away from you and putting it in the hands of the government.

Do any of you think that if the t-shirt would have said anything negative about President Bush, we would be here talking about this today? Probably not. Can you say media bias? The facts are that because of the teachers unions in the public schools, anything goes as long as it goes to the left. If you truly are interested in the "learning environment" then get your kids out of the public school system and put them in a private school where crap like this is not allowed.
September 23, 2008

10:50 a.m.

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davies writes:

Since 'INC' thought it was important to mention the Keating Five at 8:57, I provide the following information as a public service:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Alan Cranston (D-CA)
Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ)
John Glenn (D-OH)
John McCain (R-AZ)
Donald W. Riegle (D-MI)

The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB).

After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings. Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

All five of the senators involved served out their terms. Only Glenn and McCain ran for re-election, and they were both re-elected.

(You're welcome, INC.)
September 23, 2008

10:55 a.m.

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GladysKravitz writes:

As a teacher..I would be repremanded for wearing a button supportive of my candidate. It would have been smarter if the child wore a McCain/Palin shirt supportive of his parent's choice for Prez rather than the negative on he made.

What's really appalling is that this child is being used as a politcal pawn to shill his parents politics. It is just as disgusting as HAMAS parents who dress thier children in bomb belts holding RPG's and AK47s.
September 23, 2008

10:56 a.m.

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familyortiz writes:

Steel,
Clowns like you forget there were indigenous people here for thousands of years before your family got here. Get a clue.
September 23, 2008

10:58 a.m.

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mikeyg writes:

So in 2008 the very same people who screamed "free speech" when their kids were sent home or suspended for wearing anti-Bush shirts have come to an enlightenment that now it CAN be restricted...go figure.

One small thing, most schools didn't send students home after the first few that tried to censor anti-Bush shirts caught so much flak. So, for the past 5-6 years if you've walked the hallways of our junior and senior high schools you've seen hordes of anti-Bush messages on shirts.

Liberals: Free speech protections apply only to THEIR point of view.
September 23, 2008

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jay writes:

obama is a terrorists best friend?

that is laughable considering how good the republican track record has been for terrorism.

they've devalued the dollar, destabilized the middle east, allowed osama to go uncaptured, decimated our military and given the terrorists a great opportunity to use iraq as a training ground and recruiting tool...while killing americans.

what's not to love if you're a terrorist?
September 23, 2008

11:04 a.m.

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dilligaf writes:

YIOTA_LIVES
I could hear you screaming if the t-shirt would have read McCain sold secrets the North Vietnamese. You guys cry like babies every time someone says anything negative about the war hero.
September 23, 2008

11:11 a.m.

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September 23, 2008

11:18 a.m.

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INC writes:

davies,
notice whom of those senators is still corrupt and in office???
McSame... Glenn retired.
September 23, 2008

11:27 a.m.

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GladysKravitz writes:

jay045 says: "the kid should have been allowed to wear the shirt" and when he gets his butt kicked on the playground by another kid who disagrees with him...what then?

Should I be able to wear a shirt in front of my students that says "McCain=McSame" or worse. This was done simply to start trouble in the classroom.

The Republicans make such a big deal to leave the kids alone. Leave Bristol Palin alone, it's verbotten to criticize her for her choice to be a pregnant teen out of wedlock. Or her mother's lack of judgement for not teaching her daughter about safer sex beside abstinance only. Leave the kids out of this! Hands off! Blah Blah Blah! And yet here we are. Daxx's father making his kid a shill for him. Talk about your parent of the year! McShame!
September 23, 2008

11:29 a.m.

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truth22 writes:

Sounds like this kid needs a new dad and the dad needs his @ss kicked.
September 23, 2008

11:31 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Damn just took another call from a pollster, every damn week they call and I tell them I'm undecided. Friday's the debate let see what happens folks. For those that support this kid, more power to you, but remember if you allow free political speech, kids can then wear nooses printed on thier shirts with political slogans, swastikas for the National Socialist Party, brown barets for Chicano politics, black power, anti -gay bashing, all of it becomes fair game. Some can praise Jesus, other Satan, some can say christianity is false. Some can say AIDS is God sent, others can say handicapped people have a right to die and need to quit living on the public dole, welfare is for bums and drain ours nations resourses. You may not like it, but all of the above is political and can be worded as such. No, the school can limit free speech, it has the ability to give the parent alternative options, which they did, he chose the school to suspend his kid.
September 23, 2008

11:32 a.m.

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davies writes:

Why yes, INC, I DID notice which one was still in office. Maybe, just maybe, he was the only one who WASN'T corrupt.

No wait a minute; he's a Republican, so you must be right: all the honest ones retired ;-)
September 23, 2008

11:43 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

In Cherry Creek High school they allowed muslims to bow and pray to Mecca in the hallways, but forced christians to place their crosses under their shirts. It happened many times according to my brother son who wasn't allowed to wear his cross on the outside of his shirt, but was watching muslims bow to Mecca for their daily prayer in the school. Whats wrong with this picture?
September 23, 2008

11:48 a.m.

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GladysKravitz writes:

Louie that is hear-say....if this was true it would have been reported! Nonesense! I am a teacher and wear my star of david visibly. Stop spreading lies!
September 23, 2008

11:52 a.m.

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ColoradoGal57 writes:

What a pitiful excuse for a father! Pushing Dad's political views in a 5th grade classroom is extremely cowardly. If you wanted to actually teach your child something, how about life skills that will help him become a successful well-rounded person? Just a side note.... what's up with the size of that t-shirt? That in itself should have been against any kind of dress code rules.
September 23, 2008

11:55 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

For those teachers posting- there is a bit of difference between you wearing a shirt, and kids doing so. First, YOU have a choice about being there. They don't. Second, you voluntarily took a position where you would have to hold your opinions for outside the 8 hours you are acting as an official representative of the school.

Just a few questions/observations:
1. What IS the dress code for the school? As stated before, this shirt doesn't violate the rules for my son's middle school.
2. Exactly WHO was offended? Another student or a teacher?
3. I HAVE seen kids wearing shirts bashing Bush, so why was it such an uproar from one wearing one bashing Obama?
4. Any right (in this case, freedom of speech) is supposed to be restricted to the minimum necessary to ensure the safety and rights of others. For example, students not wearing gang colors. How does that apply in this situation?
5. Why doesn't the school use this as the valuable opportunity it is to discuss the democratic process in the US?

Thought for the day- It's much easier to support those rights, and interpretations thereof, when it's one you agree with. Yet folks only want to support those that they agree with. This is a prime example. Freedom of speech is all fine and dandy, until someone says something you don't like, then you come up with all sorts of reasons why it "shouldn't" apply in that case. Or freedom of religion is fine, until it's one that scares you or you don't agree with, like Wiccan or an Islam sect practicing polygamy.
September 23, 2008

11:57 a.m.

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mytwosense writes:

I still think it's wrong to make a kid wear such an inflammatory t-shirt, BUT, someone raised a good point that this could have been an issue to talk about in the classroom. The kid should have been given a chance to explain his views, and yes, other kids could have responded if they wanted.

This would only work if the teacher was able to objectively, skillfully engage and moderate such a discussion.

Of course, teachers are so restricted from talking about politics, a parent would have been sure to complain about such a discussion if they learned of it.
September 23, 2008

11:58 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

No Gladys, the kid is sitting here in my office telling me. He graduated Cherry Creek High School 2007. He said they were allowed to pray on thier rugs at the school during breaks, but many christians were told to tuck their crosses under their shirts. I let him read the article as I am teaching the kid business for his grandfather, he is a very straight kid and I have never known him to lie about things. His profession will require great honor of him. He read it and said he never much saw any political, but he couldn't understand the school's policy on religious issues. I asked him why, and that's what he said.
September 23, 2008

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GladysKravitz writes:

How about a T Shirt that says "Palin is a See You Next Tuesday" is that ok? ENOUGH! You all know this is wrong. This is another example why schools should go to a SCHOOL UNIFORM policy. We'd avoid all this.

And frankly, learning that Dann Dalton is seemingly a relgious conservative given his alignment with the anti-abortion schmoes, maybe a parochial school that caters to his agenda would be a better placement for little Daxx. And I'll bet Daxx would not be permitted to wear that T Shirt there either!
September 23, 2008

12:02 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

He did say there were no security or teachers around, which could be the case. Maybe if the school saw it or someone reported it, the outcome would have been different. Sorry, I had to get the whole story. But he said it was being done quite a bit.
September 23, 2008

12:03 p.m.

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leatherneck writes:

You liberals are killing me........If this was a shirt about McCain, you all would be cheering on this kid...give me a break.
September 23, 2008

12:05 p.m.

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SheikYurBooty writes:

School uniforms Now!!! Plain white or blue collar shirt.
September 23, 2008

12:07 p.m.

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LoneTreeLady75 writes:

Eww the kid and his dad's stomach totally look like trash from the pic on the front page. Not to mention the homemade shirt. I bet they are one of those "Obama will NEVER be my president" types. If thats the case, good for America. Hopefully they will pack up and move to Canada if he is elected.
September 23, 2008

12:08 p.m.

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KP13 writes:

hmmm. which kid is the one that is going to bring a gun to school in five years?

"bdee bdee bdee, I'll tall you what you do Daxx...you get a gun and kill them dag gom idioits......"

this isn't about left or right, or right or left.....this is purely dumb parenting. Its sad this child's vision of the world will be overshadowed by his Fathers views!
September 23, 2008

12:09 p.m.

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September 23, 2008

12:12 p.m.

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GladysKravitz writes:

Again Louie...if this were true...when this kid was going to creek...why didn't he object? Who told them to tuck their crosses under their shirts? The school system? I have checked the CC Schools website and nothing corroborates what you/he are claiming. Again nonesense.
September 23, 2008

12:16 p.m.

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B300 writes:

TRUTH22, DO YOU THINK YOU CAN DO THE JOB OF KICKING? I BET NOT TOUGH GUY. LOOKS LIKE THIS ALL BOILS DOWN TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH! IF YOU DONT LIKE SOMEONES OPINION DONT LISTEN. SOME PEOPLE MAY THINK YOU ARE FULL OF IT. SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE RACISTS, TRY TO STOP THEM! DONT WASTE YOUR TIME, CHOOSE YOUR BATTLES, JUST TRY AND FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT! ITS NOT SO STRESSFUL.
September 23, 2008

12:18 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Ricky, he was allowed 3 options including changing the shirt, he chose suspension. Gladys my daughter is allowed a necklace, but it too must be worn under her shirt. But again my daughter has a uniform policy. In his high school at the Creek, the rappers were wearing huge 4" crosses on huge chains and were told to tuck them in. Thus he said others were also being told to put them under their shirts in order for all to be equal.
September 23, 2008

12:21 p.m.

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leatherneck writes:

"this isn't about left or right, or right or left.....this is purely dumb parenting."
"Its sad this child's vision of the world will be overshadowed by his Fathers views!"

Are you fn kidding me Democrats, are by far the worst at pressing their children to have the same political views as they do..
September 23, 2008

12:25 p.m.

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GladysKravitz writes:

Fietsy asks: "Any right (in this case, freedom of speech) is supposed to be restricted to the minimum necessary to ensure the safety and rights of others. For example, students not wearing gang colors. How does that apply in this situation?"

Here's how; When another kid at school who objects to little Daxx' shirt, kicks his butt on the playground. That is why schools have a dress code.
September 23, 2008

12:29 p.m.

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Uno writes:

People should know by now that only f Bush t-shirts and news letters are allowed in school, accompanied by anti-Palin assays and little boys dressing up as girls.
September 23, 2008

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leatherneck writes:

Uno: LOL
September 23, 2008

12:35 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

The kid is not a "she" or "her", the kid is a "he" or "him". ezbake, king and westj, at least get that part of it right or learn how to read.

It doesn't matter if the kid wore it because of his dad or if he feels that way himself, it IS MOST DEFINITELY a violation of freedom of speech. Imagine what the founding fathers would say if they were told they couldn't tell their children what to think.

leatherneck, it's not just the Democrat parents, it's the schools run by unions that are hand in hand with the Democratic party. I'm sure if it was a shirt supporting Obama, they'd have no problem. It's possible the school wouldn't raise a stink if it was critical of McCain. What's the school's dress code....... before this incident and not the revised one they'll prop up? We hear of the Overland High School teacher criticizing Bush in a geography class, and the professor at Metro St. asking for criticism of Palin and even mocking Republican students, and now this. No wonder our schools are in trouble!
September 23, 2008

12:38 p.m.

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rg writes:

It appears leatherneck has a brain made out of leather since without counting it appears 99% of the bloggers crucify the dad. Richard Grimes: Deicide.
September 23, 2008

12:39 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

AC, your limited grasp of history is evident. Do you want to be taken seriously when you don't have the facts right? In 1993, when Clinton was President, binLaden and his terrorists bombed the World Trade Center. Clinton knew several times where binLaden was at after that, but never went after him. Would you like to go back on what you said early on in these posts?
September 23, 2008

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GladysKravitz writes:

Well Louie...I think the policy needs to be framed, to limit the size of gaudy jewelry. Not to tuck them under their shirt. And all things being equal....if the muslim students were permitted to pray in the hallways, i am sure that students of other faiths are equally accomodated. When I went to public school, I made private time in my on space to say a prayer while school, without imposing on the school system.
September 23, 2008

12:42 p.m.

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leatherneck writes:

Cwillyrun1: I agree..The left has taken schools over...it makes me sick
September 23, 2008

12:43 p.m.

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McGowdog writes:

Barron writes:

"McGowdog, i hadn't heard the part about palin's husband being an incestual child rapist, is that something in the republican rumor mill? "

freethought writes:

""Yeah, and we wonder how Bristol got pregnant.

Dysfunction begins at home.""

In case you haven't heard of SNLs little skit about it as well:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/...

Oh, but the Democrats aren't the angry ones.

If the Democrats are so "Not Angry" and the Republicans are, why have they been gripping and lashing out against McCain McSame McClain- yippeekayaymudufoughay- Die Hard Shame Game and Sarahcuda the Arctic Fox?

Because you're scared and angry. You were so sure that McCain would get hogtied to the Bush administrationa and it'd be an Obama Landslide. Then Sarah came onto the scene. Now you've got Biden looking to drop out on October 5th to make room for Hillary in the October Suprise Scheme and that's already been thwarted.

Now you know you lost all those Republican votes and you're losing your Hillary votes, except for the bitter gray-haired ugly granola eatin' gore-tex wearin' hags. They'll be votin' Obama in 08!
September 23, 2008

12:46 p.m.

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McGowdog writes:

But Obama supporters should be happy now.

This just in; Obama has taken over Virginia and Ohio is up for grabs, putting Obama in the lead by over 50.
September 23, 2008

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Seanchai writes:

Poor kids. They're going to be just a little warped when they grow up... - John
September 23, 2008

12:51 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Gladys, I just got off the phone with a Ms. Traci Dourghty at CC, (a dean) she said it depends on the chain, it's not the symbol. They don't allow the big chains. Secondly she said they allow muslims to pray in school as long as it doesn't impede school functions during the day. Lastly any shirt that has anything that would disrupt school by causing a fight or other altercation would be prohibited and the kid told to turn it inside out. Kids are allowed to wear political shirts as long as the wording doesn't cause disruption. She stated the cross isn't the issue, the huge rap chains attach to them are. Now my question and I forgot to ask, can others recite prayers in public schools openly as long as they don't impede school functions in addition to the muslims? Damn, it takes forever to hook up with the deans there. She stated although it's jewelry, the large chain necklaces could be used as a weapon, thus a kid could be told to remove it. I agree with the uniforms however at my daughter's school, and all necklaces must be tucked in; her's school is a charter. Thanks Glady's, I had to call to find out exactly what is the policy.
September 23, 2008

12:58 p.m.

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leatherneck writes:

rg writes:
It appears leatherneck has a brain made out of leather since without counting it appears 99% of the bloggers crucify the dad. Richard Grimes: Deicide.

I guess I just don't think like you do, hu? It must be that Leather... By the way, I don't want to pay for your healthcare either...I just don't agree with liberals like you and the rest of the 99% of the bloggers
September 23, 2008

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

hey ortiz, there is no group of people in North America that is indeginous to the continent. Indians, or Native Americans, came across the land bridge from Asia. The oldest remains found in North America are that of a blonde haired man with facial hair.
September 23, 2008

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psu96 writes:

it's a shame that some of you can not seperate your hate for Obama long enough to realize what is being done here.
September 23, 2008

1:01 p.m.

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GladysKravitz writes:

BTW: lets not forget..all this was to cause a stir and any lawsuit will not stand up in court. Even the Supreme Court.

Here's why: January 24, 2002, in Sarah Palin's home state of Alaska, (oh the irony), 18-year-old Joseph Frederick was suspended for holding up a banner OFF school grounds (he was accross the street from his high school), that read "Bong Hits 4 Jesus". He sued siting a violation of his free speech rights. He lost.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_v....

So all you god-fearin' McSame/Palin sympathizers can stop now. The schools win every time, when inappropriate expression is displayed in or targetied at the school.
September 23, 2008

1:05 p.m.

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kris writes:

This is just another example of "bad parenting".
September 23, 2008

1:14 p.m.

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Davek80501 writes:

mytwosense wrote, "Davek, I doubt that Ayers is repentant of his activities in the sixties, I just don't think he's doing anything remotely similar now. Or has plans to. He's a professor at a college, he sits on the board of different foundations, and he's basically gone "mainstream."

So you admit that you "doubt that Ayers is repentant of his activities in the sixties. But you think that it's "OK" since he is "NOW" a professor at a college, he sits on the board of different foundations, and he's basically gone "mainstream."
So by your thinking if a "admitted terrorist" becomes a liberal, politically correct, collage professor it does not matter that his terrorist activities helped kill two policemen and a security guard in the botched holdup of a Brinks truck?

Now I understand, if someone becomes a "liberal" all the sins they committed in the past are forgiven by liberals.

Your kind of people just amaze me.

Once a terrorist always a terrorist. Obama is friends with a admitted terrorist.
September 23, 2008

1:18 p.m.

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RufusTFirefly writes:

hmmmm... Is that a shirt or a automobile cover.
September 23, 2008

1:24 p.m.

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GladysKravitz writes:

Louie you are welcome..I am glad we can meet to some agreement and context. See all you folks on line....Louie and I can agree on some things... Keep it in context and blow off all the sound bites. If the candidates stay on the real contextual message than the overblown innuendo, which was the whole reason little Daxx wore this stupid shirt, we might be able to come together in common cause.
September 23, 2008

1:25 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

One last thing, the school can limit free speech if it's deemed disruptive; so I guess it has to be determined if the wording id disruptive. She gave a example of a kid who had a "F### Bush" bumper sticker on his car and was told to remove it. It's all in the wording. She said there was a lot of anti-Bush shirts and stuff showing up because of the Iraqi war, and it's allowed depending on the wording. Knowing all this makes me glad my daughter is in a charter school with super strict disipline, uniforms, and a school day that starts at 8am and runs till 5"15 pm, with 2-3 hours of homework each night. It made the most progress of all the public schools in the state. With all this going on any wonder public schools are falling down. Private school and vouchers will be here soon, some parents are going to demand stricter rules. Gladys, my daughter was suspended for taking a pencil. Her first offense ever. She had to READ A LETTER OF APOLOGY TO THE ENTIRE SCHOOL, I was so happy. She wasn't caught in the act, never got caught with the pencil, just questioned a day later on a suspicion. I was so happy they embarassed her fully for her lack of judgement even though she never had ever been in trouble before. It wasn't the value of the article, but the value they instilled in the child. West Denver Prep is one heck of a school, I am so glad to have my daughter there verses public schools. All the public schools in my neighborhood are failing and on academic probation. This man took the poorest kids, 90% minority, and made it the school with the most progress in the state. RMN has done several articles on the academic achievement at West Denver Prep, hopefully Mr. Bennet as superintendent was impressed when he was there. The pricipal's a Yale graduate, he's tough, and as parents, we stand behind him. Guess we all have choices as parents. Thanks Gladys for correcting me and making me research my opinion further!
September 23, 2008

1:32 p.m.

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chickenlittle1234 writes:

The biggest bailout in US history is being debated right now, and what does the RMN lead with on its webpage? A badly designed t-shirt. But for good reason, I suppose, because there were 155 posts when I clicked, and when I post this, it'll no doubt be followed by another dozen or so. This is such a puny issue. The kid wore an ugly t-shirt, so what. He got booted from school. Yippee. His dad's gonna sue. Big deal. This is such a classic heat-but-no-light issue. Flame me all you want now, because this is my only post on this story.
September 23, 2008

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September 23, 2008

1:35 p.m.

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McGowdog writes:

What's anti-bush about f*** bush? What else are you supposed to do wit it?
September 23, 2008

1:40 p.m.

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McGowdog writes:

Thank you. I thought it was clever.
September 23, 2008

1:40 p.m.

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FredFlintstone writes:

NotChuckieB,

You have to love it when Americans talk about the lefties turning the US into a socialist nation. If you are against socialism, lets just stop paying social security. Heck, stop paying insurance. Every man/woman for themselves. No more severance for layoffs. And best of all, let the free economy ($700 billion social gift) rule.
September 23, 2008

1:45 p.m.

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Barron writes:

"mikeyg writes: So in 2008 the very same people who screamed "free speech" when their kids were sent home or suspended for wearing anti-Bush shirts have come to an enlightenment that now it CAN be restricted...go figure."

mikey, when/where was this? please give us the details, i don't remember this. i don't think it's ever appropriate for 5th graders. or did you just make this up?
September 23, 2008

1:53 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Chicken, your right, I took 3 calls today from people polling me and one asking me to vote for Mr. Obama and Udall. I tell them I'm undecided and they call back again in mass a week later. This Friday is the debate, there are much bigger issues than this kids teeshirt. It's why I skip all over the country and read. Seems the RMN has written much in the last few days about the race and the issues.
September 23, 2008

2:01 p.m.

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Barron writes:

"McGowdog writes: Barron writes:
"McGowdog, i hadn't heard the part about palin's husband being an incestual child rapist, is that something in the republican rumor mill? "

freethought writes:

""Yeah, and we wonder how Bristol got pregnant.

Dysfunction begins at home.""

In case you haven't heard of SNLs little skit about it as well:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/...

oh, sorry McGowDog, I didn't realize that discussion board posters and SNL skits constituted news. Well, I guess I still don't so we will just disagree on this one.

"If the Democrats are so "Not Angry" and the Republicans are, why have they been gripping and lashing out against McCain McSame McClain- yippeekayaymudufoughay- Die Hard Shame Game and Sarahcuda the Arctic Fox?"

Because we are angry about gas prices, the failing economy, the billions we are spending to make Halliburton executives rich and wall street falling apart, you know, those little things that have occured under the Bush administration, and how McCain has voted with Bush constantly, so geez, the assumption is there that he will be a continuation. Then there's that cute picture of him snuggling up to Bush. I guess these things are all okay to you and others of your ilk, they just aren't to most people, so no thanks to mcCain and palin. They don't stand a chance.
September 23, 2008

2:08 p.m.

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ollie writes:

What a sleazeball, doesn't have the balls to wear one himself, so he sends his kid to school with one. Ought to charged with child abuse.
September 23, 2008

2:09 p.m.

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jvb writes:

America becomes socialistic under the Republicans: A transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy; however, to reply to the subject matter: Daddy Dann Dalton along with leatherneck and perhaps another need clinical help. Only the mentally ill would put a target on their kid.
September 23, 2008

2:09 p.m.

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Salsmom writes:

I think the child should wear a t-shirt tomorrow that says "My dad is an idiot, pray I stand a chance not be like him when I grow up"

can imagine what this child has to deal with at home on a regular basis.
September 23, 2008

2:09 p.m.

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Tizzy writes:

I just don't see the free speech being violated to this young boy. If he was in a history class and voiced his opinion about his views of Obama that would be perfectly fine with me. I have a problem with parents thinking their kids can go to school with this type of clothing. It's just not appropriate. I look at a place like school as someone's workplace (in this case a child's workplace), and the boss of a workplace, or a principal of a school, can say what is, and isn't ok for clothing choices. I bet this school doesn't allow tshirts that say something about "legalizing pot" either. I wouldn't want to even see a child wearing an overly religious tshirt to school, as again it's not appropriate as this is a place where people come to learn and not being asked to think this way or that way.

The schools really need to get a firm grip on the whole wardrobe choices and spell it out for parents in the handbook. If they disagree with it, then find a different school for your child.

I wish we were back in the 1950 and 1960's and boys and girls wore slacks and skirts to school. It shows the teachers that you respect them and took the time to dress appropriately for business. I also get angered by the lack of appropriate dress in the business world. Nobody at the receptionist desk really wants to see your views of the world on a tshirt, button, or other.

Our society has really become to casual about dress codes and maybe with the job market starting to become less secure, people will start dressing the part and looking professional, and you know what people, it starts with the parents, showing the children/students and then they too will know what is expected and is not, when it comes time to interview for a job.
September 23, 2008

2:26 p.m.

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woodjt1 writes:

Blah, blah, blah, SHADDUP! Speaking of childish behavior, have you all listened to yourselves?? "Neocon!" "Leftie!" Sounds like the adult equivalent to "I know you are, but what am I?" The article is about the kid and his dad, not your own personal politics.
September 23, 2008

2:28 p.m.

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AC writes:

Cwillyrun1 writes: "AC, your limited grasp of history is evident. Do you want to be taken seriously when you don't have the facts right? In 1993, when Clinton was President, binLaden and his terrorists bombed the World Trade Center. Clinton knew several times where binLaden was at after that, but never went after him. Would you like to go back on what you said early on in these posts?"

You gotta be kidding. You must have studied Republican history.

Clinton went directly after UBL several times, and the Repub clowns criticized him for it. You say he knew several times where UBL was after 1993. You forget Clinton tracked down and caught those responsible for WTC93. Ramzi is in Florence CO right now thanks to Bill CLinton. Where is UBL, whom Bush swore to get dead or alive? Laughing at how Bush played right into his hands. Bush had made us more insecure; we will be paying the price for at least two generations.
September 23, 2008

2:28 p.m.

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TooManyLibsInColorado writes:

GladysKravitz:

Who is watching your class while you are playing on the internet?
September 23, 2008

2:32 p.m.

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Ahab337 writes:

(In response to a comment made by Steve M at 12:19 a.m.)

If it were (a t-shirt that said) "Palin is the rest of the world that wants to take over the USA's best friend because she knows too little to even realize the rest of the world she cannot see from her back yard is chomping at the bit due to our idiotic international relations policies for the past 8 fruitless years and the neo-con backed GWB has created more terrorists in the last 6 years than existed before added together from all of history."

You'd need a whole wardrobe to say all that.
September 23, 2008

2:35 p.m.

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TooManyLibsInColorado writes:

yea, bc would have got bl if it would not have been for that darn aspirin factory and that plump little inturn with the nice mouth and a fresh cigar.
September 23, 2008

2:41 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

If the issue is disruption in class, it seems half the school children in each school could be suspended. So many kids are disruptive in class and it has nothing to do with a t-shirt with writing on it.

Hey barron, the view that McCain votes with Bush all the time isn't necessarily correct. I saw something on the news, I think it was Channel 4 or 7, with their truth in political ads piece. Obama's commercial with McCain's comments are comments McCain made back in 2003. The reporter basically said Obama's ads on it are misleading.
September 23, 2008

2:42 p.m.

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KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

Title should read: Father doesn't have the Brass to wear Anti-Obama T, uses 11 year old son to advertise own political agenda. This isn't about freedom of speech, it's about some moronic father who's trying find away to pad his pockets by suing the school system for sending a "5th grader," to school with his beliefs, because any person with half a brain should know that a 5th grader (11 years of age) doesn't understand the full spectrum of political representation, just what daddy and mommy say.
September 23, 2008

2:43 p.m.

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HoosierGuy writes:

Officials at the Merced County school confirmed Thursday that Jake Shelly was forced to take off a red, white and blue tie-dyed American flag T-shirt on Tuesday. The shirt said nothing offensive, just: "United States of America, Washington, D.C." The assistant principal initially thought Shelly's T-shirt violated a clause of the school dress code that does not allow "shirts/blouses that promote specific races, cultures, or ethnicities."
September 23, 2008

2:45 p.m.

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Eli writes:

"You forget Clinton tracked down and caught those responsible for WTC93"

AC,
A more accurate statement would be that Clinton tracked down and caught SOME of those responsible for the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center.
Abdul Rahman Yasin was arrested by the FBI and then released. He remains at large today, after being released under Clinton's watch.
Mohammed Jamal Khalifa was deported to Jordan and acquitted in a Jordanian court.
September 23, 2008

2:47 p.m.

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ron65ron writes:

It is acutally the father's fault. Who bought the shirt for the kid? I don't think the kid bought the shirt, I think the father bought the shirt for the kid and told him to wear it to school. Does anyone else see this? The father wants to make a statement, well let him make a statement and sue the city and the city will win and he will be stuck with a large lawyer bill. LOL That will then teach him what 'free' speech is all about!
September 23, 2008

2:49 p.m.

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TooManyLibsInColorado writes:

HoosierGuy:

That is incredible, political correctness gone is out of control.
September 23, 2008

2:50 p.m.

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Eli writes:

KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout,

Good post. Nail on the head.
September 23, 2008

2:57 p.m.

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OhBrother writes:

What is this kid holding up, a dress? How big is that friggin shirt man, 5x??? ( but it's the kids shirt, riggght )Shaq would be swimmin in that thing, I don't care what kind of slogan he spray painted on the front of that nightgown- take that thing 3 sizes down and wash it before you write on it and wear it out the house lil man!
September 23, 2008

3 p.m.

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jay writes:

"Abdul Rahman Yasin was arrested by the FBI and then released."

he was caught....right eli? the fact that the fbi then released him has no bearing on that...correct?

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.asp
September 23, 2008

3:01 p.m.

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RightDownTheMiddle writes:

That is one stupid, cheap looking shirt.

If you're going to make a political statement with a t-shirt at least spend a little time coming up with a quality product.

Is that tub of lard next to the kid his dad? He sounds like a winner....
September 23, 2008

3:02 p.m.

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Crub writes:

Let's send Danny-boy on a one way trip outta here. This guy is a menace to society. Get out of MY country you p.o.s!!
September 23, 2008

3:02 p.m.

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McGowdog writes:

"Barron writes:

"McGowdog writes: Barron writes:
"McGowdog, i hadn't heard the part about palin's husband being an incestual child rapist, is that something in the republican rumor mill? "

freethought writes:

""Yeah, and we wonder how Bristol got pregnant.

Dysfunction begins at home.""

In case you haven't heard of SNLs little skit about it as well:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/...

oh, sorry McGowDog, I didn't realize that discussion board posters and SNL skits constituted news. Well, I guess I still don't so we will just disagree on this one.

"If the Democrats are so "Not Angry" and the Republicans are, why have they been gripping and lashing out against McCain McSame McClain- yippeekayaymudufoughay- Die Hard Shame Game and Sarahcuda the Arctic Fox?"

Because we are angry about gas prices, the failing economy, the billions we are spending to make Halliburton executives rich and wall street falling apart, you know, those little things that have occured under the Bush administration, and how McCain has voted with Bush constantly, so geez, the assumption is there that he will be a continuation. Then there's that cute picture of him snuggling up to Bush. I guess these things are all okay to you and others of your ilk, they just aren't to most people, so no thanks to mcCain and palin. They don't stand a chance."

Whenever I hear about how horrible W is and was, I think about who ran against him; like Kerry, and Gore.

Ever heard of Irenea Sendler?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/se...
September 23, 2008

3:03 p.m.

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davies writes:

That's one big-a$$ T-shirt. What is Obama's position on obesity? Obesity is likely to do more harm to Americans than conventional terrorist tactics.

And that's all I have to say about that.
September 23, 2008

3:04 p.m.

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KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

ron65ron writes:

It is acutally the father's fault. Who bought the shirt for the kid? I don't think the kid bought the shirt, I think the father bought the shirt for the kid and told him to wear it to school. Does anyone else see this? The father wants to make a statement, well let him make a statement and sue the city and the city will win and he will be stuck with a large lawyer bill. LOL That will then teach him what 'free' speech is all about!

Really? What was an 11 year old's thought process..."I'm going to make a statement because all these kids in school have a say in this next election, and maybe I can sway some of those undecided teachers." Or something like this..."I know that Obama's health care plan is a croc, and his take on this nations economy is only going to drive the world markets into to ground." Or how about this one..."Obama sounds like Osama so I guess I can closely associate Obama with Terrorists."
September 23, 2008

3:07 p.m.

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Americans4Liberty writes:

Orwell certainly was right about the use of meaningless words in politics. Words like “freedom,” “democracy,” and “justice,” Orwell explained, have been abused so long that their original meanings have been eviscerated.

If we hope to remain free, we must cut through the fog and attach concrete meanings to the words politicians use to deceive us. We must reassert that America is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy, and remind ourselves that the Constitution places limits on government that no majority can overrule. We must resist any use of the word “freedom” to describe state action. We must reject the current meaningless designations of “liberals” and “conservatives,” in favor of an accurate term for both: statists.

Every politician on earth claims to support freedom. The problem is so few of them understand the simple meaning of the word.

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/documen...
September 23, 2008

3:14 p.m.

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GladysKravitz writes:

TooManyLibsInColorado: I am off today!
September 23, 2008

3:15 p.m.

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RightDownTheMiddle writes:

You gotta admit.....it's pretty amusing that a GOPer would somehow thing swaying a bunch of 11 year olds would help out the cause.

If Dann Dalton is capable of counting to ten he'd realize that Obama will only have one year left in office by the time those kids are able to vote.

Hey Dann...I hear there's good opportunity to win supporters down at Chuck E Cheese too. Them 5 year olds are pretty impressionable at that age.....

Nothing but the sharpest minds on the GOP side these days ay?
September 23, 2008

3:16 p.m.

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JustaMom writes:

I must really be out of touch with the rest of the world. I have a 5th grader and he doesn't have the right to decide to wear something like that to school. Since he doesn't have a job and isn't self supporting and is a minor and I pay for his clothes, he wears what I say he can wear. And, he's not into making political statements. At 10, he's more interested in how Favre played in this week's game, how many touchdowns he, himself, will get in Saturday's game, whether the little girl who smiles at him in the lunch line and walks out of class with him really likes him and what friends can come over this weekend and hang out and play Madden 09.

So, either I have a really backwards 10 year old or this dad decided to use his kid for a tool to get his 15 minutes of fame. And since my kid is a good student, outstanding athlete and all around great kid, I'm voting that the dad here decided he'd get his 15 minutes of fame and maybe a little cash in his pocket. Here's hoping no attorney will take the case. The dad isn't smart enough to pursue it on his own.

Dann, let your kid be a kid. Save the T-shirt for your political rally. It looks like it's your size anyway.
September 23, 2008

3:22 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

That's funny. So the neocons are taking away the rights of conservatives. Welcome to the club....now are you ready to fight against tyranny and facism?
September 23, 2008

3:30 p.m.

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denverrma writes:

THIS FATHER IS A COWARD. I dont see him wearing a homemade t-shirt voicing his opinion. He is brainwashing his kid into an uninformed opinion before he is old enough to make his own decisions!

An 11 year old kid CANNOT understand the political process, the (unfortunate) place of terrorists in the world, the issues at stake in this election or field an objective opinion. He is not old enough and does not possess the knowledge to voice an informed opinion.....one day he will, but not at 11 years old!

As a teacher myself....GOOD JOB AURORA SCHOOLS!
September 23, 2008

3:37 p.m.

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The_Punnisher writes:

The Jeffco District banned the wearing of trenchcoats after Columbine..

Guess what type of coat my son wore to EHS??

Guess what type of coat I was wearing when I had my chat with Jane Sutera about the CONSTITUTION??

Guess who was parodied on South Park, too??
September 23, 2008

3:40 p.m.

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riverrafter writes:

Does this child take an English class? Perhaps he could write an essay detailing WHY he thinks Obama is a terrorist's best friend? and then the class could have a healthy discussion on what the pros and cons of this stance are? Perhaps they might even learn something?
But no, it doesn't seem that dad wants to promote a learning experience. He just wants to make a statement and then not back it up- as so many people who are caught up in election fever on both sides are prone to do.
Is there a school out there ANYWHERE that is promoting this kind of "check the facts then make the claim" learning experience?
And no, I do not believe that a shirt that makes inflammatory statements has a place in a school. I won't even let my son wear his "I'm with stupid" shirt :).
September 23, 2008

3:40 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

AC, so this time you're not denying a foreign terrorist strike on American soil during Clinton's tenure? Question for you....... how many of the 9/11 terrorists were NOT prosecuted for the 1993 WTC attack when Clinton was President?
September 23, 2008

3:43 p.m.

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mamott writes:

What bothers me is that he took his little ones on protests with him. Why does he feel the need to exploit his kids? It is all fine and dandy to have what ever political view, but why bring your kids into it.

cynical_one LOL, maybe the political parties should start hitting up chucky cheese!
September 23, 2008

3:47 p.m.

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Cowboy63 writes:

The one at fault here is the Principal. He should just keep a few plain white t-shirts in his desk and confiscate any shirts deemed "inappropriate" as they are coming through the door. In this climate? The administration should be equiped to deal with those trolling for an "abuse lawsuit".

Tell the kid to "get to class and come by my office after school to pick up your property".

Issue resolved, nobody gets suspended and nobody is on the 5pm news. Just make sure the kid has to hang out for 30 - 45 minutes after everyone else is gone and it will lose it's appeal quick enough.
September 23, 2008

3:50 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

The problem with the shirt is that it is a lie. I don't think Obama likes George Bush and company, much less is he their best friends
September 23, 2008

3:51 p.m.

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jamesdenver writes:

A selfish, horrible parent if there ever was one.

I like seeing young people engage in political thinking. Critical thinking beyond yourself is something a lot of parents fail to teach their children. Weighing national and world issues certainly is more constructive than hanging out on Myspace all day and playing video games. (Unless its the Wii.)

But can kids this age, whatever age they may be, really think independently on issues without being completely influenced by parents? Can parents REALLY present two sides to their kid and say, “Here’s some info, tell me how YOU feel.” If not, then I feel kids are simply too young to be dragged into politics and parents should leave them out of it. I probably couldn’t avoid smuggling in my personal beliefs if my child asked who to vote for.

To hijack kids' childhoods for your own political message is just disgusting and repulsive.

http://www.futuregringo.com
September 23, 2008

3:54 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

Cowboy and cynical
So just cover up the fact that his rights were violated?
September 23, 2008

4:02 p.m.

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firefan writes:

In Tinker v. DesMoines the students were not violating policy because the arm bands did not cause a disruption. This t-shirt would cause a disruption as would a t-shirt bashing McCain/Palin.
I have been a teacher for 29 years in both public and private schools and I would have sent this kid to the office. The same way that I have sent kids to the office who's shirts were offensive in any other way; bore liquor logos and the kid who literally had no butt in his pants - the waistband was there and then the fabric started at the thighs showing his boxer shorts.
Most school handbooks include a broad statement of articles of clothing causing a disruption.
The us v. them mentality is sickening.
My kids never would have left the house wearing a shirt bashing anyone.
September 23, 2008

4:04 p.m.

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Gorgegirl writes:

This father tends to think free speech is what is at stake. I disagree. I think it is the right of the schools to discipline those who think rules weren't meant to be obeyed. I am glad schools prohibit clothing which is offensive, political and just plain controversial.
Think about this:
If a teacher wore a t-shirt that said "All Blacks are Lazy",
should the school be able to have the teacher remove it?
After all, it's just the teacher's opinion.
How about "All Jews are money grubbing thieves."
And, because it's just their opinion, black and jewish kids would have to sit there and be taught by teachers wearing these shirts, and be forced to look at the shirts all day.
Do you really think that would be ok?

One of the most rewarding lessons a parent can teach a child is how to get along with others in society who may not always think the same way as they do. 5th grade should be about video games and football - not politics and abortion.
September 23, 2008

4:04 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

"Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom
of speech"

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September 23, 2008

4:05 p.m.

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firefan writes:

Oh...and the Supreme Court has ruled many times that students do not have full civil rights in a high school - including freedom of speech.
Finally - tell me one place any of you work that you would be allowed to wear such a shirt?
As I tell my students all the time that everywhere I have ever worked had a dress code I needed to follow. Get used to it.
September 23, 2008

4:09 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

Well them I guess you need to explain to these students that the words of the pledge are more of an idea than an actual truth....and tell them about other BS things you indoctrinate them with such as everyone is created equal and the justice system is fair.
September 23, 2008

4:09 p.m.

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Ashley writes:

Thanks firefan. Spot on.
September 23, 2008

4:13 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

And explain to them that it is your disregard for our history and rights that has caused us to loose focus of true freedom....because we would trade liberties for securities in a heartbeat.
September 23, 2008

4:15 p.m.

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DenverDan writes:

If I was the kid I would cover my face too! Please tell me they are from Utah! Just goes to show red-necks are every where. Elvis lives... hahaha.
September 23, 2008

4:16 p.m.

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hikingartist writes:

Now that i have seen the shirt, I for one am offended by Daltons complete lack or disregard of basic graphic and typography skills. That shirt is just an ugly mess.
September 23, 2008

4:17 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

Cynical
Then lets stop BS our kids in to thinking they are free. That way in 10-20 years they will not feel lied to (like myself).

SS
Would it be different if he made the shirt himself and understood exactly what it meant?
September 23, 2008

4:20 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

Firefan
How about a roofer? or a garbage man? or construction worker, and a lot of other professions that do not have company uniforms.
September 23, 2008

4:23 p.m.

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familyortiz writes:

Dann Dalton shows how it is feasible that almost an entire nation could follow adolph... just fill the nazi youth with lies and fear. I am amazed that you partisan republicans put up with such losers.
September 23, 2008

4:24 p.m.

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zivo24 writes:

All of you who keep bringing up William Ayers may want to remember that George Bush got the seed money for his first failed business, Arbusto Energy, from the bin Laden family.

The difference between Ayers and bin Laden is that bin Laden is still trying to figure out ways to kill Americans and their allies.
September 23, 2008

4:25 p.m.

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firefan writes:

and you assume to know what I teach in my classroom?
I disregard our history and our rights? Wow! I had no idea.
I do not indoctrinate students to my beliefs - my students never know my personal beliefs. My job is to teach them how to think not what to think.
September 23, 2008

4:25 p.m.

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Macita183 writes:

This dad is just trying to make a quick buck. He had to know the school would deem the shirt offensive and then cry violation of free speech. I'm sure he will recieve a fat check to shut him up. Glad to know my taxes are going to fund idiots like this. I don't know too many elementary schoolers that know what's going on in the world. They're trying to be kids. This dad can have his beliefs but he should wear the shirt, not force it on his son.
September 23, 2008

4:26 p.m.

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popo writes:

Humans, and I use that term lightly...like Herr Daxx are A.I.N.O..American In Name Only.
He's using his son because he's a cowardly Rushtafarian who obviously listens to the Big Fat One while while driving around being equally arrogant as his body-language shows....He must have learned THAT while watching BillO the Clowns' show , the segment where Billo has a blond bimbo (As that's all Fox hires) interpret same.

Go ahead and sue, Mein Herr Daxx......any American Judge with a kindergardeners' knowlege of our Constitution will laugh you out of his courtroom....after slapping a frivilous lawsuit fine on your worthless a*s.
September 23, 2008

4:27 p.m.

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jamesdenver writes:

This dad can have his beliefs but he should wear the shirt, not force it on his son.

Agree 100%
September 23, 2008

4:27 p.m.

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firefan writes:

freedomfighter:
My garbage collector does wear a uniform. My brother in law the roofer would never wear a shirt - or allow his employees to wear a shirt that is offensive. My family is in the construction business and they do not get to wear shirts like this on the job. The only one who could is my brother in law the bar owner. And then he would think twice about it.
September 23, 2008

4:28 p.m.

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AC writes:

Cwillyrun1 writes: "AC, so this time you're not denying a foreign terrorist strike on American soil during Clinton's tenure? Question for you....... how many of the 9/11 terrorists were NOT prosecuted for the 1993 WTC attack when Clinton was President?"

Never denied it. The point is, UBL cares not one whit about which party is in the White House. The point is Bush did not care. The R's pose as the party of national security only for appearance's sake. But they overlook the fact that 9/11 occurred on their watch. Clinton did something about it, unlike Bush who invaded the wrong country and created new generations of terrorists.

Your answer: Clinton prosecuted all of the WTC93 terrorists he captured. He didn't ignore the problem, like Bush. Republicans are NOT the party of national security and they failed to keep us safe. It's laughable that they dare claim the security issue as theirs!

You guys criticized Clinton for going after UBL, while you putzed around with a phony impeachment charade. R's are weak on national security because they don't know how to achieve it.
September 23, 2008

4:40 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

Firefan
If this shirt offended anyone, then I can doubt their American bravery. Do you remember the saying-Sticks and stones? Well some of my family are roofers and they could wear the shirt and they would be laughed at if they said some words offended them.

So how about me, I could say that I am offended to see tee-shirts that said Jesus is lord (by the way, no shirt or words offend me). Can children wear that shirt to school?
September 23, 2008

4:45 p.m.

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rage_against_the_stupid writes:

As a conservative, I'm only concerned that the kid and his dad are using a common tactic of the left. The usual self-absorbed childishness! Please do not involve your children in politics, it's very unseemly. It is below our movement to use the playbook of the old hippies.
September 23, 2008

4:48 p.m.

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EastVail writes:

Oh boy. Dad looks like a real winner and an exemplary role model for his son. I am glad that he remembered to wear camo. He at least looks like a Palin supporter.
September 23, 2008

4:49 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

SS
So fair justice is just another cliche, it has no substance. Wow! I am learning a lot about America today.
September 23, 2008

4:53 p.m.

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bone writes:

whats next dad ?.....klancamp next summer ?
September 23, 2008

4:54 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

So what is true about this?
September 23, 2008

4:57 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

Simple
are you serious? If I am distracted by a tee shirt, then I need to be assessed for ADD/ADHD
September 23, 2008

4:59 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

Canada looks more inviting each day.
September 23, 2008

5:04 p.m.

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Gorgegirl writes:

More and more schools are turning to uniforms for the following reasons:
1. Helps prevent gangs from forming or show gang "colors"
2. Encourages discipline
3. Helps students resist peer pressure to buy trendy clothes
4. Helps identify intruders in the school
5. Diminishes economic and social barriers between students
6. Increases a sense of belonging and school pride
7. Improves attendance

A good school uniform that is good on the parent's pocketbook as well:
All students wear navy blue and white with no logos or writing permitted
with one exception: The name of the school.
All shirts have to have a collar - no tee-shirts allowed.
No jeans allowed. The waist of all navy pants must not be below the hip.
September 23, 2008

5:04 p.m.

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me2 writes:

At first I thought the teacher could have used this for a teaching moment, but when did we start letting kids set the agenda for classroom discussion?

What class was he taken from? The adults should have just let him sit in the principals office until he turned that ugly, unprofessional looking shirt inside out. Just let the kid sit, and sit, and sit, while dad waits at home to call Fox News.

If he comes the next day with shirt, another day sitting on his butt doing nothing. Another day for dad to wait in silence.
September 23, 2008

5:05 p.m.

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Eli writes:

"he was caught....right eli? the fact that the fbi then released him has no bearing on that...correct?"

I suppose so, jay. Are you okay with the fact that your party releases terrorists?
September 23, 2008

5:05 p.m.

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YourBestFriend writes:

I have spent alot of time reviewing comments on many stories, this will be my first reply. I have read alot of ignorant statements, from very ignorant individuals. All through this election I have seen it in our nation that no one really wants to know, they just like to talk, and I must say, all of these members of our society have proclaimed to know something or another about Obama, some do, some note something told by somone, somewhere and reiterated by you, fine. The fact of the matter is, none of you personally know Obama, so to say he was best friends with anyone or said anything would be false. A fact is somthing recorded so we know it was true. A human emotion cannot be documented. But in the same right, you cannot say that through his speeches, he is a fit leader. There is no test, only trial. So unless you personally know Obama, or have intensively researched said Candidate, (not just googled his name and read the first propaganda story) you cannot make an informed decision. I personally do not feel comfortable with him going into office. But my views do not matter to anyone on this comment blog. You people are our society as much as you detach yourselves from it, that father and son are our society, you can't just cast them out when they do somthing you don't find appropriate. We are all responsible for the outcome of this nation, not just ridiculously paid officials who don't personally face any of these hardships. One day we may all have to accept that, if our global wealth decays and there is nothing left but the common hard working American. (Won't be much of a change for most of us) But please for the love of g-d(my political humor) leave your propaganda on the I Love (or) I Hate Obama Websites. This story isn't about Obama or childrens free speech, they should learn about politics and taxes before politicians. It's about the school systems free reign of power over what children think and what is worrisome behavior on a scale of 1 to 10, or who is teaching our students what to think other then tax paying country serving hard working American parents, whether they have horribly perverted views of the system around them. And like most every politician around, I will not be reviewing your replys. Sorry for the long and boring post.
September 23, 2008

5:17 p.m.

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Eli writes:

"Clinton prosecuted all of the WTC93 terrorists he captured"

This is false, AC.
September 23, 2008

5:20 p.m.

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TooManyLibsInColorado writes:

Why are you all so quick to assume that Dad and son are Republicans? Last time I checked there are stupid people of every race, regligion and political party. There are dems that realize that obama's plan is empty and there are republicans who realize that McCain is not a conservative.
September 23, 2008

5:21 p.m.

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newsjunkie writes:

this man is a coward in the extreme and a first class jerk and narcissist. he doesn't have the guts to wear the shirt to work and get fired so he pushes his agenda on his kid. I hope any attempt at filing a lawsuit gets promptly thrown out and this idiot gets dinged with the school's attorney fees. that oughta' teach him.
September 23, 2008

5:23 p.m.

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zivo24 writes:

SimpleMind writes:

What would a liberal have put on their shirt? "McCain: A taxpayer's best friend"? I don't think Libs can come up with mean-spirited slogans like ol' Dann here

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Suggestions for a McCain shirt?

1. "If you're the son of an admiral and marry well..you can do anything!"

2. "The bottom 1% of a my graduating class looking and out for the best interests of 2% of Americans"

3. "Charles Keating was my sugar daddy!"

4. "Lobbyists are some of my favorite people!"

5. "I dumped my first wife for this rich c---!"

6. "Integrity for sale! Going cheap!"

7. "F--- being a maverick, I wanna be president!"
September 23, 2008

5:33 p.m.

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Diff writes:

How stupid to sent a youngster that age to school with such a statement on his shirt - allowed or not in school...
1st amendment and all that
This is just
Another fine example of poor parenting...
Dope slap!
--"what were you thinking?"--
September 23, 2008

5:33 p.m.

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TooManyLibsInColorado writes:

I think I would rather have a President and Congress that were considered "A Taxpayers Best Friend" than one who is not. I don't know about the rest of you but I pay enough in taxes. I work hard and create jobs to improve the lives my family and my employees and their families not for some bleeding heart in Denver or Washington to give it away....this is way off the subject at hand but we should all insist for a tax payers best friend in office...or move to boulder.
September 23, 2008

5:39 p.m.

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jay writes:

"Are you okay with the fact that your party releases terrorists?"

the fbi is a democrat organization?

eli, maybe you should find another hobby...you're not very good at this one.
September 23, 2008

5:42 p.m.

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TooManyLibsInColorado writes:

ssqured-

I do think you are going out on a limb a bit. Do you really think that every democrat is firmly behind obama. I would be willing to bet there are a couple of souther democarats and a couple of eastern democrats and maybe a few flower children on the left coast that are not quite ready to judge a man on his merrits (where I am at), but on the color of his skin? Lets be real here.
September 23, 2008

5:43 p.m.

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PonchoVia writes:

TooMany...: Rather than just making gross (false) generalizations, how about actually learning about both candidates' tax plans. Here's an independent analysis of both plans from the Tax Policy Center:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/Upload...
September 23, 2008

5:45 p.m.

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rip84 writes:

TooManyLibsInColorado:
Looking at your posts, I wonder if you are the dad. Defending this idiot only shows how out of touch you and John McCain are from reality.
September 23, 2008

5:49 p.m.

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fjv1026 writes:

I'm a proud Republican and a proud veteran of two tours in Iraq (soon to make a third). I respect Sen. Obama as not only a candidate for President but as a sitting United States Senator, in spite of not agreeing with him on his policies. I don't appreciate the label given by some as the Republican Party = the party of hate. A LOT of our Soldiers, Marines, Sailors and Airmen consider themselves Republican, so am I correct in assuming that they are hate-mongers simply because they're Republican?

The issue at hand, however, is what's important. I think this guy Dalton is an a**clown. Free speech? Whose free speech are we talking about? The 11 year-old? Or the idiot dad? So if I send my kid to school with a shirt that says "All (insert race here) must die", that should be covered by free speech??? What a complete jacka**. It saddens me to think that so many of my military bretheren have sacrificed their lives for a dumba** like this.
September 23, 2008

5:56 p.m.

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TooManyLibsInColorado writes:

Guys,

I don't have time to get into a policy discussion with all of you, but think about this. If a business pays less in taxes then it has more $$ to invest in the business, hopefully grow that business hire more people and pay them a true living wage, not a minimum wage but one they can really live on and go out and buy new cars (hopefully one that is built in the USA), take trips, invest and send their kids to college. I am not saying that our political leaders have not put our best interests above their own but this is not new that is why we all need to be very careful of who we elect - just look at how long Jimmy Carter has stuck around.

To answer your question, I am not a democrat or a republican but a Conservative. Trickle down economics, if you understand it works, but it is not a free ride like most people want. If you want somthing you have to work for it. There are no shortcuts. I am out. Some of these were productive discussions today enjoy!
September 23, 2008

6:01 p.m.

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jbowen43 writes:

The kid's dad is a fool who seems determined to raise a son who cannot think for himself.
September 23, 2008

6:14 p.m.

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bph writes:

The Dad shouldnt use his kid as a billboard either
September 23, 2008

6:17 p.m.

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The_Punnisher writes:

Hmmm. The Hitlerjungend wore uniforms....

The SS wore uniforms..

Anyone used to taking orders wore uniforms...

Do you see a pattern here??

My favorite military expression:

" Can't get courtmartialled for thinking "

Well, it looks like that idea will soon be history...

Because we will also be taught how to think PC, not RATIONALLY...

And the schoolteachers today ( based on the comments here ) are leading the way...

( And my folks QUIT being part of the academic system...especially when PC reared it's ugly head )

The US that the Founding Fathers ( that quote previously about SECURITY was from Ben Franklin ) is already history....and the SOCIALISTS won...
September 23, 2008

6:37 p.m.

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ollie writes:

What a wise father. Teach your children well?
September 23, 2008

6:43 p.m.

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LuvAmerica writes:

"Dann Dalton told Fox 31 News, which first reported the story, that he is considering a lawsuit."

That's pretty good humor! "I'm for personal responsibility and less government, not like those libs! And I'm gonna run behind my lawyer and sue!"

Impromptu home schooling I'd say.
September 23, 2008

6:51 p.m.

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Billy writes:

So sad this boy is growing up with his fathers' racist views. But like they say, racism is a learned behavior. But looking at the dad and the son, I'm sure they keep their racist remarks to themselves and not openly state them around anyone of color. If so, they would probably looking a bit worse than they do no.
September 23, 2008

6:51 p.m.

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firefan writes:

freedom fighter - no, it is not his fellow roofers or construction workers - it is the customer who he does not want to offend. Of course, in this wonderful economy of ours why would he care what his customers think? Why piss people off for the sake of it?
September 23, 2008

6:52 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

If you want to get rid of the stupid people....I say take out the welfare system and let people be free to be stupid. Within a couple generations they will be weeded out. The population of those you despise most are growing everyday. You can't have a capatilist economy and liberal social welfare system without population control....well you can, but look whats got us.
September 23, 2008

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freedomfighter1 writes:

Since identifying one as "stupid" is a subjective act, then we would need to be able to identify objectively what "stupid" is. Although I do not know you well enough, I assume that you are stupid because you thought that I was stupid.

....and don't try to lure me into a "you're stupid" match, I fall for it every time.
September 23, 2008

7:09 p.m.

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The_Punnisher writes:

cynical one:

It appears that you are also part of the problem as well. A product of the PC MILITARY we have today. If you show initiative, you lose MOST of the time...

You don't even know what drove out these idealists...I'll give a hint; the same kind of LEADERSHIP that drives education today.

I hope that you are only TROLLING.....because being part of the problem isn't helping anyone.

What would happen THIRTY FIVE years ago would be a RATIONAL DISCUSSION in CIVICS CLASS ( remember those? ) and not the PC CRAP we see today....

CIVICS CLASS: Where we learned how the government SHOULD work, not the CF we have today....
September 23, 2008

7:14 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

Firefan
Its not that I would wear the shirt or that I would allow my children to. Its about freedom. Isn't that what our military is doing- fighting for others' freedoms. I would rather disagree and be "offended," then to believe that my freedoms could be traded because someones' feelings were hurt.
September 23, 2008

7:27 p.m.

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gregu710 writes:

freedomfighter (and the rest of the "Freedom of Speech" lot. Let's take a little trip down Reality Road here. Let's go back 50 years to the "good old days of 1958", how about it? Long before PC was even a concept, and people treated each other with respect, and disruptive students were paddled. Then, let's say that you went to school with a t-shirt (that would've been your first mistake) that said "Adlai Stevenson loves Commies" or something equally inflammatory for that day. Let's then think about what the consequences would be:

1) a trip to visit the wooden paddle in the principals office
2) automatic suspension
3) sent home immediately to get a proper shirt on, followed by a lengthy meeting with the parents about proper decorum in the schools
4) stand in front of the school in the gym and give a speech about how being disruptive in school makes that person a bad citizen and a possible sociopath....

What the father did here was nothing short of extremely poor parenting. It was a direct violation of pretty much any dress code at any school in the country, and would have been 50 years ago before PC. Had the same thing happen in South Carolina 3 years ago when I was still living there. Kid wore a Confederate Flag t-shirt to school, was sent home on suspension after refusing to change it. The shirt was disruptive, since it was highly offensive to the 50% black student population, therefore disrupting the TEACHING that is supposed to go on there. If Troll Dad wants to take his kid to see Sarah Palin in CO Springs with that t-shirt after school, all the power to him. He has NO BUSINESS sending a shirt like that about any candidate to school, where it will cause kids to pay more attention to the kid and the t-shirt, than to the lessons that they are there to learn! Any one that does not understand this SIMPLE principle, is part of the reason this country's education system is putting us in 2nd place in the world. Teachers need to TEACH, not help parents understand SIMPLE dress codes!
September 23, 2008

7:35 p.m.

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ollie writes:

Dan Dalton would rather screw up his childs education because he was too big of a chickenshit to wear the shirt himself.
September 23, 2008

7:38 p.m.

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Uno writes:

“Obama; a terrorist’s best friend” – truth hurts, Jesubama wants to sit down and have a few drinks and laughs with the terrorist leaders. Like Bill Clinton, who on his last day in office pardoned 16 FALN members. No wonder terrorists world wide prefer Obama or just about any Dem over McCain.
September 23, 2008

7:48 p.m.

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redwhiteandBLUE writes:

I'm all for freedom of speech..anywhere anytime. BUT
it's in poor taste when the father puts his son up to wear a t-shirt like that.
Do you really think the child is interested in politics ? Or would he rather be carefree just being a kid. ?
ollie @ 7:35..youre right!
September 23, 2008

7:53 p.m.

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ollie writes:

How about a head count of the parents on this subject who would subject their child to this?
September 23, 2008

7:55 p.m.

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TheDenverB writes:

reading this message board really can get you down sometimes. Some of you people are so ignorant and blind it is almost a crime.
September 23, 2008

7:59 p.m.

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JayBen writes:

What SteveM said.

NeoCons -- we've been played this way before -- no more.

You set up your kids to propagate your hate and fear, hoping they'll be disciplined so you can make media objects out of them.

(how many stories like this have we had? attackign CU profs -- attacking MetroState profs --- sending kids in as emissary victims with hate speech strapped to their chests)

America is a mess in the world and at home ... you can't distract us by using your poor children as props.

Gobama.
September 23, 2008

8:01 p.m.

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purplewolf writes:

Social Services needs to get involved here. It's apparent this child is suffering from manipulative abuse that could lead to future problems with his social interactions.

And the father needs to attend parental counseling and perhaps have a psychiatric evaluation to determine his competence to continue custody.
September 23, 2008

8:10 p.m.

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PlayFair writes:

TheDenverB writes: (7:55p.) "reading this message board really can get you down sometimes. Some of you people are so ignorant and blind it is almost a crime"

Hey, Denver, wanna really get down? Just think, they'll all be voting in about 6 wks. ;)
September 23, 2008

8:11 p.m.

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YourBestFriend writes:

Cynical_one-

If it makes a difference, I understand what you are saying among all the dissonance. I'm hopeful more people think like you. But I hope even more vote McCain.
September 23, 2008

8:16 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

gregu,

I understand your concern. Disruptions are making it harder for teachers and they deserve the respect of the children and parents. But what concerns me even more is all this transfer of blame. Kids are learning they can pass blame for their lack of attention. They are not learing personal responsibility in that respect. I believe that there has been a breakdown in the family life and instilling values. It all starts there.
September 23, 2008

8:17 p.m.

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PlayFair writes:

cynical @ 8:13p.

"politically correct"? Should Denver have called us a bunch of intellectually and visually challenged criminals? ;)
September 23, 2008

8:31 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

Good one, PlayFair! But isn't "criminals" pushing it too far? Aren't they innocent until proven guilty? Try "suspects".
September 23, 2008

8:40 p.m.

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Uno writes:

Here, this makes it pretty clear, so all you liberal lefties can shut-up now;

http://www.trews.org/node/274

And what where all of you doing when this was going on? Did you morons protest this? Or only the left has rights? Dream on.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/...
September 23, 2008

8:43 p.m.

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PlayFair writes:

Heidi @ 8:31: Eff "suspects"...And the P.C.B.S. Time to start calling a spade a spade. (Oh...wait...did I offend someone?)
September 23, 2008

8:47 p.m.

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ollie writes:

Bottom line to this whole article is that Dann Dalton is nothing more than an abusive parent. One can argue all the politics he wants.
September 23, 2008

8:50 p.m.

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Noia writes:

I would think this would have been the perfect chance for a teacher to turn this situation into a learning experience. What a chance to explain First Amendment Rights to students gone to waste.

That would have helped the kids understand we have to be tolerant of others views but it also would have taken the wind out of this kid's dad.

(I think we all agree he was hoping something like this would happen).

I'll bet there's a dress code for Aurora Schools next year...
September 23, 2008

8:53 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

PlayFair,

I'm with you. Just was adding a little humor.
September 23, 2008

8:55 p.m.

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BO writes:

Hey dumba$$e$ (except for no_s__shirlock and a few others)-
1) The dad used his kid for personal fame, plain and simple.
2) Clinton was in office for roughly 1 month before the 93' WTC attacks. Bush 43 was in office for 10 minths before 9/11. You can either blame their predecessors in both instances, for blame the actual presidents themselves in both instances. Enough of the partisan hypocrite bull$h!t.

BTW- Its idiotic to blame Clinton by saying he knew where Bin Laden was and did nothing for 7 years. Even if that was true, did Bush 43's people all of a sudden not know where he was when he took office, or did the warrant on Bin Laden just happen to expire on Jan. 21, 2001 (and we had to wait for him to do something else)? This is exactly the type of crap I was talking about.
September 23, 2008

9:02 p.m.

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PlayFair writes:

Ah, hell...where's my gun? Now if it wasn't for that ganja and beer, maybe I could find it.

Ollie @ 8:47: No "bottom line" necessary. Follow the money.

Heidi...got it ;)
September 23, 2008

9:06 p.m.

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PlayFair writes:

BO @ 8:47...Are you Mr. Obama?

Have we ever had a pres. w/these initials?
September 23, 2008

9:09 p.m.

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PlayFair writes:

CORRECTION: Regarding 9:06 comment, should be BO @ 8:55, my bad.
September 23, 2008

9:13 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

PlayFair @ 9:09: Too much ganja? ;)
September 23, 2008

9:17 p.m.

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PlayFair writes:

Heidi @ 9:13...One can never have "too much" ganja! Just ask Dann and Daxx. (And can someone please explain why we need two "n's" and two "x's"?)
September 23, 2008

9:18 p.m.

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aRe writes:

I'm a huge Obama supperter - but I would never, ever send my kid to school in a anti-McCain shirt especially one that is blantantly false. It's one thing to be a complete moron - it's another to make your kid wear that fact on a t-shirt.
September 23, 2008

9:22 p.m.

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nouse4u2 writes:

The father is a coward. He is abusing his child by making the child wear a shirt to school that the father would be afraid to, and would not, wear to work. If God had required a license to have children, Dann Dalton's sperm count would be zero. What this man has done to his children is really a form of child abuse. No parent should utilize their child to express the parents political views. This is almost as bad as Palin exploiting her Mongoloid child and pregnant teenage daughter.
September 23, 2008

9:25 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

Hi again, ssqured! My stepmom is slowly getting better. She can walk now, but doesn't have full use of her arm. I don't know if she ever will. And I haven't brought up the subject of insurance, or lack of, by the driver.
I'm glad I stayed away from this article earlier and all of the PCBS and political wars!
September 23, 2008

9:33 p.m.

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PlayFair writes:

Heidi...Seriously, don't know you or your mom, but I will keep a good thought going for her. Peace.
September 23, 2008

9:42 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

Thanks, PlayFair! Maybe she could use some of that ganja! She got hit by a car while walking across a street. She will be ok and is in good spirits. Better than I would be. I wouldn't have been able to go on that long bike ride tonight.
Peace to you!
September 23, 2008

9:47 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

ssqured,

That's too funny about the interview. I wish I would have seen it.
I suppose we have moved very far from the topic, but at least we aren't arguing!
September 23, 2008

9:52 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

Oh, ssqured, recently turned "at-risk" adult, you live longer and prosper as well!
September 24, 2008

12:25 a.m.

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AKdan writes:

Look at how a 'meth freak' at KOA & KHOW & CLEAR CHANNEL turned Aurora, Colorado into Aurora, Wisconsin:

http://www.850koa.com/cc-common/news/...
September 24, 2008

1:21 a.m.

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scastaneda writes:

Big_D
I think you are right. The Obama campaign has already made an issue out of McCain's computer illiteracy. If technology is an issue in this election, then we already know which candidate has the technological know-how to rig an election and which candidate would be clueless.
September 24, 2008

1:44 a.m.

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cpeterson writes:

BHO - The ultimate sleeper cell.
September 24, 2008

2:15 a.m.

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AKdan writes:

How exactly did Barack Obama pay for his Harvard Law School education?

The way the Obama campaign has answered the question was simply hard work and student loans...

But new questions have been raised about Obama’s student loans and Obama’s ties to a radical Muslim activist who reportedly was raising money for Obama’s Harvard studies during the years 1988 to 1991.

The allegations first surfaced in late March, when former Manhattan Borough president Percy Sutton says he first heard of Obama about twenty years ago from Khalid Al-Mansour, a Black Muslim and Black Nationalist who was a “mentor” to the founders of the Black Panther party at the time the party was founded in the early 1960s.

Sutton said al-Mansour was an advisor to “one of the world’s richest men,” Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal, who publicly said that America’s pro-Israel policies were to blame for the 9/11 attacks.

As Sutton remembered, Al-Mansour was raising money for Obama’s education and seeking recommendations for him to attend Harvard Law School.

The Obama campaign has said that Obama 'self-financed' (Gee was the $$$ from Muslim Prince Alwaleed and the Communist Party USA) who helped you 'self-finance' the Harvard costs of $25,000 a year, or $75,000 for the three years Obama attended?

And as president of the Harvard Law Review,(did Saudi Prince Alwaleed 'buy' that job for you too Barack?) Obama received no stipend from the school, Harvard spokesman Mike Armini said.

Where did he find the money? Did it come from friends of Khalid Al Mansour? And why would a radical Muslim activist with ties to the Saudi royal family be raising money for Barack Obama?

Hmmmmmmmmmm.....

That’s the question the Obama campaign still won’t answer.

Obama listed “zero” under liabilities in 2004 and in all subsequent U.S. Senate financial disclosure forms.

Under the Senate ethics rules, he is required to disclose any loan, including credit card debt, of $10,000 or more.

The Senator repaid the loans on “the expectation of a significant increase in family income” as a result of the paperback edition of his 1995 book, Dreams of My Father, Obama campaign spokesmen Ben LaBolt said.

(The 'expectation' - WOW where do I get an 'expectation' loan?)

Obama acknowledges that sales of the hard cover edition of the book were “underwhelming.”

But the Obamas never declared a dime of interest in student loans on their return, most likely because they simply earned too much money to be able to take the deduction under the IRS rules.

LIES on top of LIES on top of MORE LIES!!!
September 24, 2008

3:42 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

AKdan, never heard that ever being disclosed, thanks you've given me something to research today! Always like when something new on one of the candidates past is brought forward; it gives greater insight as to what shaped the man. Years ago, I did a deal with a very rich man from Dubai (sp), he brought his daughter here for bone marrow treatments. By the standards of many Americans, his dicipline to his faith would seem radical. One thing I must say however, his handshake carried great honor; he lived to his word without the need of contract. I came away after many meetings with this man, to have a respect for the manner with which he conducted his business affairs. I have a beautiful Omega wristwatch that upon the back of the case is embossed with the symbol of the Saudi royal family, which I gave to my son upon graduation from high school. Just because a man's faith is different than my own doesn't make him a radical. This man was a man of honor. As a catholic, I very much enjoyed the many things I came to understand about this man. Sometime I think we find it easier to attack the things we don't understand, I know I'm guilty of this error of judgement. I like what you brought forward, I'll spend some time researching it if I have a few extra minutes today to do so. Thanks AKdan!
September 24, 2008

4:50 a.m.

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AKdan writes:

If you really want to see more about Obama's past that the news media is hiding - because 'they' actually want to dictate who the next President is check this out: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/in...
September 24, 2008

5:31 a.m.

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diggtbks writes:

Uh-bama is a terrorists best friend, he's cozy with unrepentant terrorist William Ayres. That's a fact the RMN and liberal news media can not cover up.
September 24, 2008

5:59 a.m.

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rip84 writes:

diggtbks,
Way to use the word "fact" so loosely. First, Obama has met Ayres and served on the board of a foundation they serve together but they are not friends. Second, Ayres has never ever been convicted of anything. Their is little doubt he is a criminal but to call him a terrorist is inaccurate. Ayres dislikes much America has to offer but so does the political party Sarah Palin's husband is associated with.

Using your logic, can we call John McCain a racist? He did not support the Martin Luther King holiday in the 80's. Hell, we might as well call you a racist since you support someone who supports racism. I suspect you nor John McCain are not racist but I hope you see how easy, and therefore, how weak arguements can be crafted from weak random facts.
September 24, 2008

6:56 a.m.

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River_Bolden writes:

I totally support this families 1st Amendment right!!

Hey kid, if you were really smart, but better copright that T-shirt real quick and sell them for $15-20 dollars a pop, you will will make bank : )

-River Bolden
September 24, 2008

7:15 a.m.

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debrenee writes:

For those blaming the dad, do you have kids? We have a 6 yr old who is has been Obama from the beginning in a McCain household. They talk politics in school. They do have their own opinions and the 11 yr old son is saying it's his opinion as well. The child also chose not to turn his shirt inside out and take the suspension. That was not his father's doing. By the way this 6 yr old was taught to be a Cowboys fan as well (clothing, hats etc bought for him). He is a straight up Eagles fan...doesn't care what my opinion is. Kids have their own opinions too, relatives cannot force their opinions on them. In general, it's a good thing. Let them have opinions and free speech as long as it isn't hurtful to anyone. I think the Obama supporters are just a little upset cause their numbers went down since Palin was chosen as the VP.
September 24, 2008

8:03 a.m.

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KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

debrenee writes:

For those blaming the dad, do you have kids? We have a 6 yr old who is has been Obama from the beginning in a McCain household. They talk politics in school. They do have their own opinions and the 11 yr old son is saying it's his opinion as well. The child also chose not to turn his shirt inside out and take the suspension. That was not his father's doing. By the way this 6 yr old was taught to be a Cowboys fan as well (clothing, hats etc bought for him). He is a straight up Eagles fan...doesn't care what my opinion is. Kids have their own opinions too, relatives cannot force their opinions on them. In general, it's a good thing. Let them have opinions and free speech as long as it isn't hurtful to anyone. I think the Obama supporters are just a little upset cause their numbers went down since Palin was chosen as the VP.

Yes children do have opinions; however as parents we choose what's right and wrong for them, and to say that it was right to allow an 11 year old go to school with a T-shirt with such overtones is a lack of parental judgment on the fathers part and any other parent who sees no wrong in this. What did the father think, his child was going to sway the votes of his teachers, or how about the rest of the student body, because those votes count too you know. It has no place in Elementary, Middle School; however I have no problem with it in HS and beyond. I support Obama and have no reservations about saying I do, but to think that Obama supporters are upset about the numbers after the Palin pick is a bit of stretch. The fact is, it's quite opposite I'm glad he picked her, in fact you'll get to see why we are extatic once you here her debate Biden in the Vice Presidential Debates. Just another reason why I've chosen Obama over McCain.
September 24, 2008

8:04 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

For those comparing school to a business (where such a shirt wouldn't be acceptable), the situations aren't remotely the same. You AGREE to a dress code when you accept a job; kids don't have a choice about being at school.

Regarding the fact that no freedom is absolute, this is true; however, freedoms are only supposed to be restricted to the MINIMUM necessary in the balance between public safety and personal rights. This is why schools are justified in some restrictions; for example, prohibiting gang clothing items. However, I do NOT see how a political shirt qualifies, particularly given the previous court cases cited by Dan2 (23 Sep @ 0924) and hastcoach1 (23 Sep @ 1042) which specifically ruled AGAINST government agencies and schools on the political speech issue.
September 24, 2008

8:09 a.m.

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teacherforlife writes:

The school was wrong, in my opinion. They told them to wear shirts with patriotic messages, and I am sure this child wasn't the only one wearing a shirt with a slogan. Suspension is too drastic for a minor disruption. Last time I checked, it is the TEACHER's responsibility to maintain order in a classroom. Simply telling the students to drop it and concentrate on math would have been sufficient. It sounds like she was avoiding her job and overreacting. This is a perfect lesson in free speech and the teacher missed her/his opportunity to convey that. I hope this mistake doesn't cost the taxpayers too much money for the school's ill judgement.
September 24, 2008

8:32 a.m.

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marine76 writes:

Why does everything have to be negative? Why can't people say what they support instead of trying to make the other side look worse then their side? Both parties are setting the example, when was the last time you saw a positive add about either candidate? All I see is, the other guy is a big turd and I'm a little turd. Flush hard to get rid of the other guy and keep me around. Most of the people won't admit that their side is part of the problem, it's all the other guys fault. It won't get better until we flush all the turds and work together to make it right. I don't care if you love thy neighbor, but we need to lose the hate and work together to get it done.
September 24, 2008

8:34 a.m.

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fairness writes:

You know, some of you might want to read Vincent Carroll's column in today's RMN. I rarely agree with Mr. Carroll, but today he stands up to defend the school for their stand and denouncing the father for forcing this on his children. And if you try to say that Mr. Carroll is a left-winger, liberal, etc. then we all will know you are just trying to blame this on the "liberal media".

The facts are that the t-shirt was disruptive to the classroom. Period. That is why he was suspended. And that was HIS decision. He was given the choice of changing his shirt, turning it inside out, or taking the suspension. So don't blame the school for the suspension when HE chose it.

His sister ALSO wore a political shirt showing "Obama" with a slash through it on the front, and "McCain" on the back. So it was NOT about the t-shirt or the anti-Obama message. It was about disrupting the classroom.
September 24, 2008

8:41 a.m.

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fairness writes:

marine79,

You are SO right. I get really tired of all the negativity in the political ads. Most don't say why to vote FOR someone, but why to vote AGAINST their opponent. I want to know what they are going to do, not what the other guy did, or what they THINK he/she will do. Just tell me why I should vote for you!
September 24, 2008

8:45 a.m.

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Eli writes:

"the fbi is a democrat organization?"

Nope, not at all. Never said it was, jay. The fact remains that under your party's watch, terrorists were released. Are you okay with that?
September 24, 2008

8:48 a.m.

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Eli writes:

Cynical_one,
Regarding your request for proof, just Google Abdul Rahman Yasin and Mohammed Jamal Khalifa. You'll find plenty. Yasin was released and Khalifa was deported to Jordan.
September 24, 2008

8:54 a.m.

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whatsupjay writes:

I wonder if David Lane will take on the kid's case pro-bono...that strategy worked for Ward Churchill.
September 24, 2008

9:05 a.m.

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davies writes:

Love the new picture with the Dad posing. He looks like he thinks he's a rock star.

This T-shirt story sure got the comments going. I wonder why the picture yesterday made the shirt look like a size 6XL, and in today's picture it looks fairly normal sized. Probably another one of those "extreme irregularities" that Big_D is talking about ;-)
September 24, 2008

9:15 a.m.

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eventempered writes:

Time to let everyone to go to a school of their choice, Vouchers are the answer. Break the Democrats hold on our education system and indoctrination.
September 24, 2008

9:19 a.m.

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marine76 writes:

fairness - I agree. It has nothing to do with qualifications or plans. It's all hate based. Who does everyone hate the most.
September 24, 2008

9:25 a.m.

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eventempered writes:

marine and fairness, unfortunately they work, so until it stops working we have to put up with them. What's does that say about our society where citizens buy into this negative crap. Is it manifested in sports? Do people just love talking crap about the rival? It's all unfortunate.
September 24, 2008

9:31 a.m.

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marine76 writes:

eventempered - everyone is so self centered these days. They don't care about anyone else. It's all about what's best for me. Not what's best for America as a whole or even what's best for my team. It's what's best for me. Most pepole won't listen or even stop to really thing about it. They just throw out the, you're on the other team so you are an idiot card and go right back to what's best for them.
September 24, 2008

9:32 a.m.

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Cowboy63 writes:

freedomfighter1 writes: "So just cover up the fact that his rights were violated?"

Absolutely not! As long as it's not on school property and not on school time - he can wear his shirt all he wants!

We forbid kids to bring guns to school. What about their 2nd Amendment rights?

Freedom of Speech DOES NOT mean you get to say whatever you want, whenever you want, where ever you want. There is an appropriate context and setting for everything.
September 24, 2008

9:32 a.m.

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fairness writes:

marine76,

That is why I try to read a lot (not in the msm) to try and find out more about the candidates. Unfortunately, a lot of people choose their candidate based on TV ads or radio personalities. It is sad.
September 24, 2008

9:34 a.m.

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arvada_mark writes:

It actually sounds like the kid was not the disruption, but rather the other students & the faculty were the ones making noise about it. There would have been no disruption if they hadn't gotten their panties in a bunch & started screaming. I hope this kid goes on the Today Show & Good Morning America to bad mouth the school district. It will show them that the kid also has a voice. He should come back to school with a new shirt that reads something along the lines of his 1st statement, but only this time replace BO with Aurora Public Schools.
September 24, 2008

9:41 a.m.

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marine76 writes:

fairness - most people vote their party lines. They can't look at anything objectively. They just know this is what their leaders said, therefore it must be true.
September 24, 2008

9:42 a.m.

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fairness writes:

arvada_mark,

And if you get dressed up like Hitler and go walk around a synagogue during services, I'll bet you get the same reaction. But I suppose that isn't your fault for dressing up like Hitler - it is everyone else's fault for causing a disturbance. Right.
September 24, 2008

9:45 a.m.

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fairness writes:

marine76,

Yes, unfortunately they do. I get jumped on by some of the people in these blogs when I say I am a registered independent. However, what you say is the exact reason that I AM an independent. I try to find out what a person stands for and vote for them regardless of their affiliation. I feel sorry for people from both parties that vote against their own best interests just because the candidate has that little (R) or (D) next to their name.
September 24, 2008

9:46 a.m.

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arvada_mark writes:

Can we use the term "violent left?"
September 24, 2008

9:47 a.m.

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marine76 writes:

fairness - most people vote their party lines. They can't look at anything objectively. They just know this is what their leaders said, therefore it must be true.

Kind of like the kid in this story. His leader (Dad) said................therefore it must be true.
September 24, 2008

9:56 a.m.

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marine76 writes:

If everyone didn't have to over recact everytime someone else did or said something they don't agree with we'd be a lot better off. What if that kid went to school with that shirt on and everyone ignored it. Ok, we know what your opinion is, good for you. Now move on. Someone on this blog compared the hate in politics with the hate for sports teams. If you go out in public with a shirt on supporting your team, a lot of poeple in this town feel that gives them the right to attack you because they hate your team. If they would put half of their energy into a positive way to support their team instead of displaying their hatred for others everything would be so much better. Make it a positive rivarly, my team's better because............not I hate your team, therefore I hate you. You don't even know me.
September 24, 2008

9:58 a.m.

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arvada_mark writes:

Exactly. I will not let you effect my day, unless I choose to do so. Too many people today blame shift. Simply accept the fact that the only person that can ruin your day is you. My dad used to tell me this when I was young & pouting about something. He'd say, "Mark, who is responsible for your day?" I'd say back, "Dad, I'm responsible for my day."
So go ahead, blame other people for your lack of spine, but the rest of us know that you are the cause of your own misery.
September 24, 2008

10:12 a.m.

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marine76 writes:

I asked this question on another blog a while back:

Several months ago, when there were multiple candidates for the democratic nomination for president, several of the democratic front runners said that Obama was not qualified to be president. I asked what has changed in the last several months to suddenly qualify him for the job. I asked what the requirements for the job are and what qualifies either candidate. I got two responses:

1. Would you rahter have the leader (their word) of the Harvard Law review or a man that doesn't even know how many houses he owns.

2. McCain admitted that he doesn't know anything about economics.

I know that the way I started that would cause the left to be on the defensive. That wasn't my objective. I just wanted people to really think about what the job of president is and are they picking the best person for the job. Not just vote for whomever their handlers recommend. It's almost like they are brainwashed, it hurts to much to think so I'll do what my leaders say.
September 24, 2008

10:15 a.m.

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fairness writes:

arvada_mark,

I was not agreeing with you. If you did something like that, then you were trying to cause a disturbance. So it is YOUR fault for introducing something into an environment that you know will cause problems - NOT everyone else for reacting to it.

However, I do agree with marine76 that too many people overreact to some things. If you don't agree with them, or their ideology, then you are an idiot, or are stupid, or something like that. Just like people getting so upset because Obama doesn't always wear a flag pin.

If you really want to get upset about something, make it about the issues - something like the economy or the bailout of wall street. These are the things that matter!
September 24, 2008

10:31 a.m.

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jay writes:

marine, here's another response from the "left".

vote for the person whose policy stances have a better track record of success.

you were planning on basing your vote on policy stances and not "feelings" about which is better suited to sit in the oval office....right?
September 24, 2008

10:43 a.m.

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303Centennial writes:

1st Amendment! The liberal educational systems who do not support the voucher system and liberal educators were not pleased with a 1st Amendment statement on the T-Shirt; protested to the liberal administrators. The administrators suspended the child and removed the child from his protected educational rights. Who's rights were violated?? Disruptive behavior -- I say not! Where is the American Civil Liberty Union when a child's right to an education and protected speech is violated?
September 24, 2008

11:01 a.m.

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marine76 writes:

jay - I do plan to vote based on where I think they stand on policies. And I'm trying to encourage others to do the same. Not just vote their party line or what the talking heads are telling them.
September 24, 2008

11:08 a.m.

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marine76 writes:

Jay - do you have or know of something that shows the policy track record of the two candidates?
September 24, 2008

11:19 a.m.

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jay writes:

you betcha, marine...always happy to help.

considering that mccain's platform is nearly identical to bush's....and obama's is nearly identical to clinton's....we can take a look at the track records of bush and clinton and determine which platform has a better track record of success.

if i produce those numbers for you...and we can can agree that one set is clearly better than the others....will you agree to vote for the candidate who supports said platform?
September 24, 2008

11:25 a.m.

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marine76 writes:

Jay - you'd have to convice me that Obama = Clinton and McCain = Bush first. They both have their own agendas and I'm looking for something that shows what they both really stand for, not what the talking heads want us all to believe.
September 24, 2008

11:35 a.m.

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chris19421 writes:

Students do not, the Court tells us in Tinker vs. Des Moines, "shed their constitutional rights when they enter the schoolhouse door." But it is also the case that school administrators have a far greater ability to restrict the speech of their students than the government has to restrict the speech of the general public. Student speech cases require a balancing of the legitimate educational objectives and need for school discipline of administrators against the First Amendment values served by extending speech rights of students.

In Tinker, perhaps the best known of the Court's student speech cases, the Court found that the First Amendment protected the right of high school students to wear black armbands in a public high school, as a form of protest against the Viet Nam War. The Court ruled that this symbolic speech--"closely akin to pure speech"--could only be prohibited by school administrators if they could show that it would cause a substantial disruption of the school's educational mission.
September 24, 2008

11:50 a.m.

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rg writes:

As usual, the subject matter morphs. McCain marries two beauty queens and now selects a vagina without validity, because she's a beauty queen whose boobs he stares at, to be his Vice who says "Iraq is a task from god." This is enough to vote against "Palin/McCain." The subject matter: the "young fascist" (assuming O’Reilly said it) whose dad has turned into a human lemming just as belief in god creates human lemmings along with party affiliation creates human lemmings.
September 24, 2008

12:05 p.m.

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jay writes:

marine, let's start with mccain.

please go to www.johnmccain.com and then tell us how his policy stances on the major issues before the country strategically differ from bush's.
September 24, 2008

12:13 p.m.

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Eli writes:

"considering that mccain's platform is nearly identical to bush's"
-Jay @ 11:19

"please go to www.johnmccain.com and then tell us how his policy stances on the major issues before the country strategically differ from bush's."
-Jay @ 12:05

Jay, when you make an assertion, it is on you to back that assertion. That's how an honest debate works.
September 24, 2008

12:27 p.m.

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jay writes:

eli, don't pout.

i can look at mccain's policy stances and not find strategic differences between his and bush's all day long...but it's much more powerful of an exercise if someone on the right comes to the same conclusion on their own.

as you should know.
September 24, 2008

12:42 p.m.

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Eli writes:

I'm not at all pouting, jay. I'm simply pointing out a dishonest debate tactic that you often use; that being to make an assertion and then rather than proving the assertion yourself demanding that somebody else prove you wrong.
If you think that McCain's policy stances are the same as Bush's policy stances, make your case regarding why. Simply making the assertion and leaving it at that means nothing. Elaborate if you want to be taken seriously.
The same applies when saying that Obama's policies are the same as Clinton's.
Furthermore, if you make the assertion that Obama's policy stances will be better than those of McCain, it is on you to demonstrate why. And no, your usual list of numbers doesn't cut it for several reasons, the largest of which is context. Take for example unemployment numbers in your usual list. You compare unemployment under Clinton (without specifying the year) to the unemployment number in 2006. That doesn't really say much though, does it? All it shows is a number. Explain WHY.
For example, this would be a legitimate argument:
"During X time frame, unemployment was X. This is due at least in part to X policy. In comparison, during X years unemployment was X, a change caused by X policy."

You never do that, though, because you don't understand policy very well at all.
September 24, 2008

1:04 p.m.

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fiesty writes:

jay- talk about a transparent dodge. It is not "pouting" to simply ask you to back up broad assertations!
September 24, 2008

1:21 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

Cowboy
After my discussions yesterday, I came to a realization. America is based on ideals not truths. You are free to express yourself as long as you do not cause safety issues for others is BS. You really have to be so PC that your freedoms end when enough peoples' feelings are hurt or they are distracted....and freedom, well I saw someone on here say you only have the freedom to die, but yet commiting suicide or Euthanasia (?) is illegal. Your freedoms to behave end with others disagreement. Even if you haven't hurt anyone (including yourself) and you havent violated anyone elses rights you still are not free. Those behaviors can be deemed unacceptable by others and your rights are removed. No, I think its safe to say that freedom is an ideal and liberties are determined by others around you. All we can hope is that peoples' feelings don't get hurt easier or we could be under total control.
September 24, 2008

1:24 p.m.

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jay writes:

lol...as i've explained several times, the numbers i list comparing bush and clinton's track records are compiled for the entire 8 years of clinton's administration and from the beginning of bush's to january 2008.

marine...did you think of any strategic differences between mccain's policy stances on the major issues and bush's?

neither have i...that's the point.

pardon me if i don't list all the similarities...AGAIN...but it gets old...and it's simply much quicker to get buy off before moving forward.

shall we examine those numbers or were you planning on basing your vote on something besides policy stances?
September 24, 2008

1:35 p.m.

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Eli writes:

"the numbers i list comparing bush and clinton's track records are compiled for the entire 8 years of clinton's administration and from the beginning of bush's to january 2008."

If that's the case, why do your unemployment numbers specifically cite 2006 data, and why last time you posted your usual list were your numbers for median household income wrong?

In any case, the fact remains that you inevitably fail to elaborate on any of that data. Why is that? Could it be because you *don't know* how to make any correlation between those numbers and the policy stances of either party?
September 24, 2008

1:45 p.m.

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Eli writes:

Malachi_Constant,
That was a much better post than jay's. Thank you.
See how that works, jay? Take notes.
Malachi asserts that their policies, while not 100% identical, are quite similar. He cites McCain's voting record as evidence of this. Do you see the difference between the debate methods used by yourself and Malachi? Where your "argument" is to simply say "Prove me wrong", Malachi actually cites something to back himself.

Now, Malachi, regarding policies, the next question would be what is better? Of course, that depends on who you ask and what the issue is. I'd be happy to debate any one of those issues with you (I prefer to take one at a time). If you think the policy of Obama would be better on Iraq or economics or any of the other issues you mentioned, why is that?
September 24, 2008

1:49 p.m.

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jay writes:

the compiled data was updated in january 2008...after which of course the employment and fiscal data have gotten decidely worse, eli.

as i've said in the past...you can pout about the data all you'd like, but it's just data...and simply illustrates the track record achieved during the clinton and bush administrations....politically inconvenient as that may be for you.
you may draw your own conclusions as to why the administrations found success or failure during their reigns.

which brings us back to the question of the election.

why would you think that continuing the same policies we've seen fail over the last 8 years is the best course of action for the country to take?
September 24, 2008

2:40 p.m.

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marine76 writes:

jay - when I get a chance I will go to the McCain site an take a look. Do you have a site for Obama too? I haven't had a chance to get caught up on everything in the thread above so maybe you already sent it and I missed it. Just curious though, if Obama = Clinton, then why did Clinton say he wasn't qualified to be president? I'd think they would be behind him 100% if they saw eye to eye.
September 24, 2008

3:29 p.m.

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jay writes:

great to hear you're going to take a look marine.

to answer your question...clinton and obama's primary battle contained little policy fireworks simply because of the fact that their platforms were nearly identical....thus the only way they could differentiate themselves is by lobbying personal bombs at one another. politics as usual.

as i've said before....i hope you choose to base your vote in november on policy stances...and again...would be happy to show you the track records of the candidates' respective platforms so there's no doubt which has a better chance of success.

now...having said that...if you're confronted with credible data showing a clear difference in the success of said policy stances and STILL refuse to change your vote...i hope you'll have the decency to admit that politics...not policy is where you put the most stock.

eli is still working on that one...as you can see.
September 24, 2008

3:34 p.m.

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jvb writes:

Listen up people: If for no other reason, vote to end the war in Iraq. Shiite and Sunni is like Far Right and Far Left in America: The twain shall never meet. You won't get either to love one-another. McCain says he will occupy Iraq for a hundred years; Obama says he will get out within a short time. America cannot not afford ten $billion a month in Iraq. America is going down the tubes thanks to the bushwhacker whose latest bushwhack is to give Wall Street seven billion to a trillion and a half dollars: to transfer wealth from the middle-class to the wealthy, a mere respite to promote the election of "Palin/McCain," who will continue the bushwhacker's third term. You may not like Obama; however, he is the lesser evil. McCain is too pugilistic. He and Palin seek war with Russia so as not to undue Reagan's legacy, which, incidentally, has led America to its present status via de-regulation, a Bush and McCain strategy.
September 24, 2008

3:36 p.m.

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BO writes:

Playfair-
BO is my initials. I am a white, registered independent who voted for Clinton in 92' and 96', and who would have voted for Bush in 88' and Reagan in 80' and 84' had I been old enough. I also voted (in my state of residence- I am a CO native) for a GOP Governor and Representative, and a Democrat Senator in 06'.

But, if you want to assume I am a liberal democrat because I share the same initials with Barack Obama, then go ahead, and you can be part of the corps of idiots.
September 24, 2008

4:50 p.m.

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marine76 writes:

jay - you say "change my vote" I haven't decided my vote yet. I've leaned one way more than the other but nothing has been decided.

You said:

now...having said that...if you're confronted with credible data showing a clear difference in the success of said policy stances and STILL refuse to change your vote...i hope you'll have the decency to admit that politics...not policy is where you put the most stock.

I'd like to know if you have ever voted for a republican in anything? Has there ever been a good republican president? Do you base your decisions on politics or policy?

Also, you provided a site for McCain but not for Obama. I'd like to see his side too.

Thanks for the info by the way. I will look at all the facts that I can find over the next month and I will decide what I believe is the best use of my vote. I will make my own decision.
September 24, 2008

5:02 p.m.

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jay writes:

ike was a decent president....and the last republican not to add to the federal deficit as a percentage of gdp.

as i've said many times to many people (doesn't matter if you're a dem or a rub)...if you're not planning on basing your vote on policy stances, i would hope you'd do the country a favor and stay home on election day.
September 24, 2008

5:21 p.m.

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Eli writes:

"if you're not planning on basing your vote on policy stances, i would hope you'd do the country a favor and stay home on election day."

Does this include all of those who will vote for Obama simply because he is black? How about those voters who will vote for Obama based on his younger age? Millions of people will vote for reasons having pretty much nothing to do with policy, jay. You're well aware of that. Does your "stay home" rule apply to those who will vote democrat for reasons other than policy stances?
September 24, 2008

5:22 p.m.

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marine76 writes:

Jay - I will do my research and cast my vote based on what I beleive is right. I hope that all American's do the same and that noone stays home on election day.

It's obvious that you have never voted for a republican and the only policy you believe in is the one of your party. Anyone that thinks otherwise is obviously wrong in your eyes. I have voted both both parties in the past and I may still vote for yours. I still have a lot of research to do before I make my decision. Right now I don't trust or like either one of them. But you can be sure, I will vote, one way or the other.
September 24, 2008

5:26 p.m.

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Eli writes:

Marine76,
If you'd really like some help in making an unbiased decision, take a look at www.factcheck.org
It's a good, neutral site that debunks a lot of garbage being floated by both sides.
September 24, 2008

5:38 p.m.

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marine76 writes:

Eli - thanks for the link.
September 24, 2008

6:08 p.m.

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Uno writes:

May be people should take a closer look at Obama and Biden...
And no, this is CNN not Fox

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/2...
September 24, 2008

7:04 p.m.

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jay writes:

marine i can back up my voting habits using data and facts regarding policy decisions. pardon me if i have little respect or time for those who can't.
September 24, 2008

7:36 p.m.

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marine76 writes:

Jay - policy and facts that are valid in your opinion. Just because that's the way you see it doesn't mean it's right. I won't bother you for any more of your time and don't bother responding to me in the future. I'm sure I've never done anything that would deserve the respect of someone of your caliber. And I'm sure that you deserve the full respect of all of America. Obviously you are a genius and everyone else is somewhere below that. You vote your party line and will never look at anything objectively. Quit trying to convince others that they shouldn't vote their party line. It makes you a hypocrite. Keep listening to Air America for your marching orders. Have a nice life.
September 24, 2008

8:12 p.m.

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Eli writes:

"marine i can back up my voting habits using data and facts regarding policy decisions"

Yet you NEVER draw any correlation of any kind regarding any data, be it good, bad or neutral, as it relates to any specific policy.

Marine76,
Since you asked for it earlier, Obama's website is www.barackobama.com
I'd be interested to hear what you think of the two after you have a chance to do a bit of comparison. For the sake of disclosure, I'll say that I am not by any means an independent- I am highly biased in a conservative direction. That said, I'm interested to hear the take of an unaffiliated voter.
September 24, 2008

8:28 p.m.

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marine76 writes:

Eli - thank you for the information on the website. I caught a hint earlier that you were warning me that I might be headed down a path I did't want to go. I'm looking for information, not indoctrination. I'd found www.meetbarakobama.com through google but I figured out pretty quickly that was not his web site. It's amazing with everything that's available on the internet it's pretty hard to find nonpartisan sites. And maybe I'm being a little lazy too, asking others to share their research. Thanks again for your input on sites that may help me.
September 24, 2008

9:41 p.m.

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jay writes:

data is data, marine.

either you can support your voting habits using facts or you can't.

simple as that.

did you think no one was listening when you tried to claim that you could and tried to disparage the left for not doing so?

next time bring your a game or don't talk smack.
September 24, 2008

10:52 p.m.

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Eli writes:

Jay,
You'll persuade no unaffiliated voters that way. Good job.
September 24, 2008

10:59 p.m.

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Eli writes:

Marine76,
I'm sure this thread will be long gone by the time you've had a chance to do some real comparison between the candidates, but in any case I do want to hear what you think when you get a chance so if we come across one another on another thread please let me know. As I said before, I am biased, but that makes me more interested in the views of those who do not prefer one party over the other so please get back to me on that when the opportunity arises.
Despite my disclosure about being biased though, I think you'll be pleased with factcheck.org
While I am biased and have an axe to grind in the political arena, that website is quite neutral, and I think you'll find that both liberals and conservatives around this site will mostly agree that they are neutral so they're a good resource.
September 25, 2008

6:10 a.m.

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marine76 writes:

Eli - thank you for the information on the website. I caught a hint earlier that you were warning me that I might be headed down a path I did't want to go. I'm looking for information, not indoctrination. I'd found www.meetbarakobama.com through google but I figured out pretty quickly that was not his web site. It's amazing with everything that's available on the internet it's pretty hard to find nonpartisan sites. And maybe I'm being a little lazy too, asking others to share their research. Thanks again for your input on sites that may help me.
September 25, 2008

6:33 a.m.

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marine76 writes:

Jay - you said - data is data, marine.

either you can support your voting habits using facts or you can't.

simple as that.

did you think no one was listening when you tried to claim that you could and tried to disparage the left for not doing so?

next time bring your a game or don't talk smack.

If my questioning why the other democrats running for president said that Obama wasn't qualified to be president is disparaging to the left. That's too bad, it's the facts. You attacked me by saying you didn't respect anyone that didn't vote your way and your way was golden because you had all the facts. My response was that I don't care if you respect me. I believe you are so far left that you can't look at anything rationally. I believe that's true of those way too far to the right too. So I'm ok with them not respecting me too. You can't bully me into voting your way and I won't let you indoctrinate me so just get over it and move on. It's ok for everyone in America to be different. We don't all have to be like you. I don't know what you do for a living but I'd bet you have to work alone. Or if you do work with others they have to let you dominate them. It's Jay's way or the highway. If you have a family, I feel very sorry for them too. You are the left wing screw ball that Air America caters to. And Rush Limbaugh caters to the right end of that. I think the world would be a much better place if they got rid of all of those shows. They never offer anything positive about their side, they just cater to the hatred that their loyal followers are seeking. I can see that you are into that. You hate everyone that isn't like you. People like that end up lonely. I feel sorry for you.

Next time get your facts right or don't talk smack.
September 25, 2008

6:38 a.m.

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marine76 writes:

In other words - take notice America - if you don't follow the teachings of the great and powerful Jay, you will burn for eternity in the bowels of the earth. His way is the only way.
September 26, 2008

2:12 p.m.

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ebk1973 writes:

I love how this thread has turned into a political debate. The fact is we all have the right to free speech, unfortunately complete morons are allowed this right also. Obama is no more a terrorist's best friend than McCain is a communist. Wake up America and think for yourselves!
September 26, 2008

2:43 p.m.

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ebk1973 writes:

tomanylibsincolorado writes: But, you all are forgetting one thing, obama is a muslum, he associates with terrorists and those who hate this country. He has no viable plan for the country, yes he delivers a good speach, but do not confuse form over substance - he is an empty suit. Have any of you over achievers ever thought that a 5th grader could form an opinion and see right through this guy. I know that the public schools in Colorado are very bad and only teach from the left, but this kid might be on to something.

Actually Barak Obama is a christian..his father renounced islam. just because someone does not have a christian name does not mean they are muslim, and by the way if you knew a damn thing about Islam, the religon preaches peace and love. Every religon has it's zealots. Just look at the whacked out fundamentalist christians who bomb womens health clinics (not everyone who visits planned parenthood is having an abortion) killing doctors, nurses, pregnant women and unborn foetuses. even if this child formed his own opinion, it is based in ignorance. Yes Obama is a black man, but he is still a man.
September 28, 2008

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