Colorado abuzz over Obama, Palin
Candidates stump for support in Centennial State
By Sara Burnett, Rocky Mountain News (Contact), David Montero, Rocky Mountain News (Contact), Lisa Ryckman, Rocky Mountain News (Contact), Bill Scanlon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published September 15, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.
Updated September 16, 2008 at 11:36 a.m.
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Barack Obama this morning told a crowd of several thousand in Golden that America is facing "the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression."
Obama, dressed in a gray suit and blue striped tie, made his third appearance in 24 hours in Colorado, one of four swing states that analysts say may well decide the 2008 presidential election.
Obama drew cheers when he noted that on Monday, when the Dow Jones average suffered its steepest decline since 2001, his opponent GOP nominee John McCain repeated his contention that the fundamentals of the economy are sound.
"A few hours later, his campaign sent him back out to clean up his remarks, and he said he meant to say that the American workers are strong," Obama said.
"But we know Senator McCain meant what he said the first time, because he's said it at least 16 times," Obama said.
With the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers and the steep fall in stock prices, Obama jumped on the difference between he and McCain on economic policy.
"Look at how we responded to the crisis," Obama said, at the Colorado School of Mines campus.
"McCain's approach has been the same as Bush's: support ideological policies that make the crisis worse, then scramble as the whole thing unravels."
By contrast, Obama said, his approach was to "try to prevent this turmoil from occurring in the first place."
Obama told the Colorado crowd that in February of 2006 he introduced legislation to stop mortgage abuse, then a year later warned the Federal Reserve about impending foreclosures and urged its leaders to bring together all the stakeholders.
"Senator McCain did nothing," he said.
"John McCain is the same man who said we are going through a mental recession and that the United States is a nation of whiners."
Obama said he will offer three times the tax relief as McCain for middle-class Americans and any family earning less than $250,000 a year won't see a dollar of tax increase in his administration.
Hammering on what he said were the differences between him and McCain, Obama said, "John McCain refers to himself as "basically a deregulator," similar to George W. Bush.
"When regulators are chosen for their disdain of regulation, the interests of the American people aren't protected."
He said Bush and McCain are responsible for "an ideology that intentionally breeds incompetence in Washington and irresponsibility on Wall Street. It is time to put an end to it.
"Too often we've excused an ethic of greed and corner-cutting," Obama said.
Obama said he would put forth a $50 billion program to save one million jobs and create a 21st-century regulation structure.
One of his biggest cheers came when he noted that if an American owns one home, a bankruptcy judge isn't allowed to help the homeowner with any mortgage relief. "But if he owns two, three, four, five, six or seven homes," a judge can help lower the rate on those other homes, he said, referring to McCain's gaff when he couldn't remember how many homes he and his wife owned.
Obama said his plan would lower mortgage rates by about 10 percent for more than one million middle-class families.
"I will make sure our response will focus on middle-class Americans, not the people who created this mess," Obama said.
Obama's speech kept returning to a central theme: He will promote policies that benefit the many; McCain will promote polices that benefit the elite.
"If you want an economy that works for both Main Street and Wall Street ... I ask you to knock on some doors make phone calls, talk to neighbors ... and give me your vote. Together, we will change America."
Obama's speech follows his appearances Monday in Grand Junction and Pueblo. Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin on Monday spoke to a large gathering at the Jefferson County Fairgrounds.
It was a day when the news drove the candidates, instead of the other way around.
Obama and Palin took the political tug-of-war over swing-state Colorado to a new level.
The Democrats wanted to stay on message - to talk Western Slope issues of energy, environment and water - but Lehman Brothers' bankruptcy and the $50 billion sale of Merrill Lynch meant Obama had to pivot. Suddenly, it was about the economy and Wall Street bailouts in the shadow of a more than 500-point drop of the Dow Jones, the single largest plunge since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
Speaking before a cheering, chanting crowd at the fairgrounds, Palin said she and McCain would add Wall Street to their to-do list of reforms.
"Our regulatory system is outdated and needs a complete overhaul," Palin said, as husband Todd looked on. "Washington is asleep at the switch and ineffective, and management on Wall Street has not run these institutions properly. It must be the market that the American people and investors everywhere can trust."
In her first solo campaign trip outside Alaska, the governor elaborated on her role as McCain's vice president, saying that she would focus on energy by pushing McCain's "all of the above strategy" to reduce national dependence on foreign oil. She also plans to make priorities out of government reform and families with special needs' children, and promised efforts to find new cures for diseases such as cancer and Alzheimer's.
In an introduction, former Gov. Bill Owens touted Palin and McCain's "Western values" of independence, self-reliance and patriotism, and praised her toughness as an outsider who challenged entrenched politicians in her state.
"We've done some shakin' up in Alaska," Palin said of her success at breaking up the "good-ol'-boys network of lobbyists and special interests. Whatever they're running now, it's not the state of Alaska."
September 15, 2008
4:44 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Now we have a presidential candidate squaring off with the vice presidential candidate; and it's a dog fight over lipstick on pigs and pitbulls. With the serious issues facing America, this election is the worse group of candidates in my lifetime. Joe Biden is totally useless and no help to Mr. Obama; Mr. Obama is being forced to handle Ms. Palin, while Mc Cain gets to lay back and enjoy the ride. I could care less who dresses up the farm animals with lipstick and what they look like, America needs a leader, we are flying downhill and both parties are hammering each about lipstick. What a choice of idiots from both parties. Folks, I'll be honest, maybe it would be better just to not vote at all, why be part of the circus and assist with America's demise? Neither party is worthy of the office. I will vote only because there are ballot issues of grave importance; but as for president of the United States either choice puts an idiot in power. The choice is yours America, lipstick on a pitbull or lipstick on a pig, either way it's Looney Tunes for the next 4 years. Is our nations problems this insignificant to these two parties that Lipstick is the new issue to spend the last days leading up to the election on? And would someone please get the cardio paddles out and wake up Joe Biden; man is totally useless to Mr. Obama. Palin is keeping Obama pretty tied up all by herself, that lady is is everything I said she'd be the day she was chosen; I haven't lied to you yet. Sad day America, were are the ones wearing the lipstick and looking like clowns. I can't believe Biden told a disabled veteran, whose accolades of honor and service he eloquently spoke to an audience of, while the man sat in his wheelchair in the front row, to "Stand up Dan, everyone give Dan a big round of applause he deserves...", what kind of idiot is that dumb when you just finished telling everyone his history in combat leaving him paralized in a wheelchair? Biden, you are not only useless, but an idiot who ate out of too many aluminium pans.
September 15, 2008
5:06 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Ms. Lindsay, I apologize for writting such a caustic response to your article, your a heck of a good person and your courtroom reporting is truly the best. I met you years ago at the Alan Berg assasination trial in front Richard Matsch; I have nothing but the upmost respect for you, please accept my apology, I should have looked at the author before commenting. After the Alan Berg assasination trial, you'd be suprised where some of those attorneys are today. One, Michael Bender, I still see today on occaision, the man really reached his potential today. Again, I am sorry Ms. Lindsay, I'll have better manners next time.
September 15, 2008
6:20 a.m.
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HumanBeans writes:
Obama Tax Policy - Explained With Beer
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100.
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
* The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
* The fifth would pay $1.
* The sixth would pay $3.
* The seventh would pay $7.
* The eighth would pay $12.
* The ninth would pay $18.
* The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.
'Since you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.'
'Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.'
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
September 15, 2008
6:21 a.m.
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HumanBeans writes:
And so:
* The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
* The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings) .
* The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings) .
* The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 ( 25% savings).
* The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 ( 22% savings).
* The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
'I only got a dollar out of the $20,' declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, 'but he got $10!'
'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only Saved a dollar,too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'
'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'
'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
September 15, 2008
6:51 a.m.
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HumanBeans writes:
Barack Hussien Obama said: “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And it’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Anti-immigrant sentiment is totally wrong....no such thing....it's anti-illegal alien sentiment!
September 15, 2008
7:28 a.m.
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speakthetruth writes:
Palin's a Monster. How can anyone with a conscience be for her???? Watch this and then decide...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQobIU...
September 15, 2008
7:32 a.m.
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HumanBeans writes:
The sad fact is that if John McCain is elected President he might not last another four more years. A sadder fact is that if Barack Hussien Obama is elected President then America might not last another four more years.
September 15, 2008
7:39 a.m.
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ChrisN67 writes:
I'm an independent leaning toward John McCain for his record of service (has any other President been tortured for his country?) but more importantly because he's been able to go beyond party politics and work with Dems (like Leiberman and Feingold) to get things done.
I think that John McCain has the right economic and energy policies to make the changes that we need.
But I do hope that Senator Obama will provide more specifics on his tax plan (specifically taxes on small businesses). And Governor Palin should talk about the plan to shake things up in Washington. I'd like more specifics from both sides before I make my final decision.
September 15, 2008
7:52 a.m.
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speakthetruth writes:
The economy is my #1 issue. Alan Greenspan discussed both tax plans on Sunday. He said McCain's tax plan is trouble. I trust him over all the other talking heads. I can't lose anymore retirement money. I know this entire election is about the Abortion issue, but my money is more important than that one issue.
September 15, 2008
7:58 a.m.
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HumanBeans writes:
Obama first told of his early drug use in his 1995 memoir, "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance."
"Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it," wrote Obama about what he would later say were "bad decisions." "Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man."
September 15, 2008
7:59 a.m.
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chris33 writes:
McCain lobbied for Charles Keating and took jet set vacations at Keatings expense. This is not in dispute.
McCain cheated on his crippled wife when he came back from Vietnam. This is not in dispute.
Oil money gushed for McCain in this campaign. You admit that yourself. This is not in dispute.
Troopergate is going to result in indictments. The prosecutor has audio tapes, emails, phone records, and multiple witnesses. Palin herself admitted she lied to the publc. Todd Palin was subpoenaed on Friday.
Cindy McCain forged prescriptions in the names of her employees and stole drugs from her own charity. This is not in dispute. When she was caught, she went on television and made a "tearful confession."
McCain's medical record from the last 8 years is 1,200 pages long. He would only let a selected few reporters examine it for a few hours. If you go to youtube and type in McCain Dazed and Confused, you can see some of McCain's senior moments on the campaign trail.
Cindy McCain's father was a convicted felon who was in business with a mob boss who had reporter Don Bolles blown up in 1976. Cindy financed John's Senate campaigns with her fathers mob money. Now she won't reveal her tax records from that period. What is she hiding?
September 15, 2008
8:29 a.m.
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glassguy writes:
It seems this campaign is between Palin and Obama. Is McCain off on vacation or something? Is Palin now the presidential candidate and McCain the VP. As mentioned previously, no good choice either way you vote. What a shame.
September 15, 2008
8:34 a.m.
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ML writes:
Heckuva Job, Sarah
via The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan by Andrew Sullivan on 9/13/08
Palin really is Bush's true heir in so many ways:
So when there was a vacancy at the top of the State Division of Agriculture, [Palin] appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as one of her qualifications for running the roughly $2 million agency.
Does that not seem eerily reminiscent of George W. Bush's appointment of Michael Brown to FEMA? Cronyism, debt, lies, religious fanaticism, and utter ignorance about foreign policy. You want another four years of Bush? McCain-Palin is the ticket.
September 15, 2008
8:39 a.m.
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Willy writes:
Louie - we aren't ever going to get a real leader as long as the two corrupt parties continue sending us puppets. This country is in bad need of true political reform.
September 15, 2008
9:08 a.m.
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Hambone writes:
The Palin hysteria is as disturbing as the Obama hysteria.
September 15, 2008
9:13 a.m.
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LuvAmerica writes:
"Who's to blame for the biggest financial catastrophe of our time? There are plenty of culprits, but one candidate for lead perp is former Sen. Phil Gramm. Eight years ago, as part of a decades-long anti-regulatory crusade, Gramm pulled a sly legislative maneuver that greased the way to the multibillion-dollar subprime meltdown. Yet has Gramm been banished from the corridors of power? Reviled as the villain who bankrupted Middle America? Hardly. Now a well-paid executive at a Swiss bank, Gramm cochairs Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign and advises the Republican candidate on economic matters. He's been mentioned as a possible Treasury secretary should McCain win. That's right: A guy who helped screw up the global financial system could end up in charge of US economic policy. Talk about a market failure."
http://www.motherjones.com/news/featu...
September 15, 2008
9:20 a.m.
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LuvAmerica writes:
HumanBeans writes:
Obama first told of his early drug use in his 1995 memoir, "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance."
"Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it," wrote Obama about what he would later say were "bad decisions." "Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man."
Beans, do you have some kind of point? Are you saying you are inspired by Obama's intelligence?
By the way, did you see Alan Greenspan's comments that the McCain economic plan is an unworkable fantasy? That's weird, because I thought McCain got an economics degree while he was a POW.
September 15, 2008
9:20 a.m.
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dakar writes:
McCain has been fighting for and creating change in Washington since he's been there. He's had to fight Bush and the Repub party as well as the Dem party, and he's been able to compromise with each. Bush hasn't compromised much. Obama talks change but he hasn't every really created much change. He's gone with his party on many issues and has had several shady "friends" - Bill Ayers, Detroit mayor Kwame, his neighbor who helped him with his house deal - Resko, his pastor Rev. Wright. etc. Obama hasn't stood up to any of these people and he won't stand up for the average US citizen either. In 2000 McCain and his policies were originally more liked than Bush, but McCain wasn't conservative enough for the Repub party and he lost out.
September 15, 2008
9:26 a.m.
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Willy writes:
Rick - somehow we have to break the stranglehold of the parties on our electoral system. I think it will take a constitutional ammendment to out law the party system - just as Washington. Adams and Jefferson envisioned. It is against my nature, but I am coming around to government funding of all campaigns.
FYI - for those that have not been there Wasilla is pretty much to Anchorage as Castle Rock or Longmont is to Denver.
September 15, 2008
9:30 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Louie, I agree that none of the candidates are exactly passing the character test with flying colors. But until the media allows third party candidates to take place in all of the presidential debates, we are stuck with this kind of election for the foreseeable future.
I would love to write in Dennis Kucinich, but my pragmatic side reminds me that we're less likely to engage in WWIII if Obama is president instead of McCain. Obama's tax cuts will give thousands back to the average middle class citizen, while McCain's will only give something like $300 back. And, I do believe that Obama will make agencies tasked with oversight actually do their jobs again, which is our only hope for Wall Street. I have no confidence in McCain/Palin in this regard whatsoever when their mantra is "Get government out of the way of business."
We tried that. And look what happened. We ended up having to nationalize the mortgage industry by taking over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
September 15, 2008
9:32 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Obama rocks, cant wait to see him today!
September 15, 2008
9:42 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
speakthetruth writes: "Palin's a Monster."
speakthetruth is not alone. This is a textbook "meltdown" on the Left. It is this kind of incoherent ranting that is costing them an election that was all but "unlosable" a month ago. NO MATTER WHO WINS we are going to need some mature leadership that can work with (respect) the other party.
Some free advice just to make it interesting. The more democrats freak out over Sarah Palin - the more incompetent democrats look. EXAMPLE: How much is the GOP freaking out over Joe Biden?
HINT: The candidate running for President is JOHN MCCAIN.
September 15, 2008
9:47 a.m.
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cterryr2 writes:
It's important to get the first GILF elected! Who needs experience?
Who needs a Harvard education? We have a hot, soon to be grandma! She can care for her grand daughter with one hand and hit the red launch button with the other while breast feeding at the same time! She'll already be awake at 3:00 am to pick up that panic phone (when John declares war on Iran, Russia and N. Korea). God loves Sarah and hates freedom of choice!
September 15, 2008
9:57 a.m.
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Shaggy writes:
Wow, The V.P. nominee pitted against the President nominee.
Too funny.
Obama should be embarrassed that Sarah actually has more executive experience than him.
September 15, 2008
10 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
speakthetruth...... you don't want to lose more retirement money? Then I'd suggest you find out why Obama wants to place a windfall tax on retirement income if he becomes President, and how it can be prevented. Me, I just won't vote for Obama because of flawed plans like that.
September 15, 2008
10:05 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
hey rickybear, what does the meth thing have to do with the Presidential race? Adams County is big on meth labs, and maybe it's no coincidence it's also high in numbers of illegals aliens in the metro area. Would you say that's Ritter's fault and his fault alone?
September 15, 2008
10:06 a.m.
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Maurie writes:
I am hoping that women who were Hillary supporters and are now going to McCain/Palen keep in mind that McCain will most likely have an opportunity, were he to win the election, to appoint more than one Supreme Court justice. If he appoints a strong conservative there is a reasonable chance that the Roe v Wade decision will be overruled and women will loose their right to choose. If they were for Hillary for Hillary’s principles they should now be for Obama. The last thing Hillary wants is for women to loose their right to choose. Don’t let her down.
September 15, 2008
10:07 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Cwillyrun1 writes: "speakthetruth...... you don't want to lose more retirement money? Then I'd suggest you find out why Obama wants to place a windfall tax on retirement income if he becomes President, and how it can be prevented. Me, I just won't vote for Obama because of flawed plans like that."
I asked you before what exactly this windfall tax on retirement income was, and you said you didn't know. Have you made the effort to find out yet?
September 15, 2008
10:08 a.m.
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gregu710 writes:
Seems like a LOT of you McCain supporters (especially you HumanBeans) don't read the Wall Street Journal, which is always pretty favorable to GOP fiscal plans. Maybe before you run off to the alter with Sarah Palin, you should at least see what they think of him, that is unless you just want to keep voting the party ticket no matter what it does to the country! After all "Party First!", right! Here's a link to the article!
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_...
As for me, I'm pretty disgusted with the lack of energy and forcefulness (and the past 2 years of do-nothingness) of the Dems, and the bold-faced lying and scare-tactics of the GOP, so I think I’ve come up with a new plan to straighten out our government. I would think a one time clearing of the decks would be acceptable, and effective. Per Roman Army practice for Legions which failed in battle, order a Decimation of the Halls of Congress and of the Executive Branch, and then replace those 10% with new candidates. Then let it be known that there will be a 2 year period in which they can straighten out the mess, or another Decimation takes place. I’m pretty sure that would end ALL partisan bickering and usher in an era of cooperation the likes of which we’ve never seen! After all, since Decimation is completely arbitrary, it would be pointless to point fingers…
(for those of you who don't know what Decimation is, the Romans used to kill every 10th man in a Legion where they were defeated in battle)
September 15, 2008
10:08 a.m.
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BJG writes:
McCain and Palin two pinheads with their fan club and it's banner right up front, too funny and too true.
September 15, 2008
10:13 a.m.
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Buckwheat writes:
I agree Louie, not looking too good either way. And like you, if it wasn't for the other issues, I'd be tempted to not vote at all.. But, like I tell everyone if you don't vote you, can't beoch plain and simple. Shame, I know these two parties could do better.
September 15, 2008
10:18 a.m.
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Truth writes:
Who Am I?
I am under 45 years old,
I love the outdoors,
I hunt,
I am a Republican reformer,
I have taken on the Republican Party establishment,
I have many children,
I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two years in the governor's office.
Who Am I? Answer is below.
September 15, 2008
10:19 a.m.
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Truth writes:
Who am I? Answer to the above:
Theodore Roosevelt
September 15, 2008
10:23 a.m.
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richardboyd writes:
Palin is awesome!!! Finally a woman in politics at the national level who is *gasp!* a conservative. I am so sick of the liberal democrat female model, ala Clinton and DeGette, their only issue is abortion; how narrow minded and boring is that? Can they talk about anything else for cryin' out loud? Sarah Palin is smart, she is tough, she is a common citizen, not a millionaire or a lawyer, she is one of us, the average common person! She has been a fighter and a success her whole life at whatever she's tried. McCain showed excellent judgement in choosing his VP. You go, girl!!
September 15, 2008
10:27 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Theodore Roosevelt was once given the opportunity to shoot a bear tied to a tree. Appalled, he refused.
Sarah Palin advocates for the shooting of bears and wolves from low-flying helicopters and airplanes.
Theodore Roosevelt set aside land for our National Parks.
Sarah Palin supports big-box "growth" and drilling in these pristine wildernesses.
I believe Roosevelt subscribed to a completely different set of ethics.
September 15, 2008
10:28 a.m.
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bph writes:
VOTE VOTE VOTE
September 15, 2008
10:29 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
When is America going to wake up. This McCain/Palin show is nothing but a circus or the preview of the next Disney movie. "Sarah goes to Washington" Good Americans should be irate at McCain for making a mockery of something that is so important to this countries future. He pick her for one reason and that was it would start a circus and attracted the attention a way from Obama. And the sad thing is it worked. (for now) Soon this honeymoon will be over (the polls are showing signs it is) People are starting to see and hear about this women and getting to know what a joke she and this ticket has become. I can see party loyalty but are the voters willing to do what they did not once but twice by electing the clown we have now.
September 15, 2008
10:31 a.m.
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spencerr writes:
Who Am I?
I am between 45 and 50 years old.
At one time, I organize for a criminal group known as ACORN.
I have two and a half years of non-executive experience showing up and not voting.
I want to raise the capital gains tax, even though that means people will not invest as much in American jobs.
Ideologically, I sound like Jimmy Carter, who failed miserably on just about every level during his time in office.
I have a spot at the top of the Democrat presidential ticket despite only having two years of legislative experience and absolutely 0 experience managing at an executive level within the government
I once attempted unsuccessfully to argue that we need Arab translators to be moved from Iraq to Afghanistan even though no one speaks Arabic in Afghanistan.
I don't think you need help guessing who I am!
September 15, 2008
10:32 a.m.
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Shaggy writes:
"Parrish said she spent her two-week vacation studying the candidates. "Obama's record speaks for itself," she said. "He has proven he's a man you can believe.""
All I can say is you didn't do a very good job of researching if your results were that he has a proven record.
His record is 100% party partisian and his voting record puts him as the most Liberal Senator in the senate. More Liberal than Kennedy and that is Liberal.
How can you possibly say he's a man we can believe when he has flopped on EVERY single issue he positioned himself at the start of the Campaign?
I guess you must be a very Liberal person to say that you like what you have seen in Obama.
September 15, 2008
10:36 a.m.
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spencerr writes:
dilligaf,
It did work for now. The problem is, for the Dems, that the circus that is this election cycle will only last another seven weeks - A miniscule amount of time.
Palin's circus show has taken center stage over Obama's very comparable circus show, and they can probably keep it up for a short seven-week period of time.
You may not like it...but me and those like me are just a couple of inches from bouncing around on Oprah's couch.
It isn't about experience. It is about ideology. In the case of McCain and Palin, the end justifies the means.
September 15, 2008
10:39 a.m.
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jay writes:
it is very exciting for colorado to be in the mix this election cycle. the microfocused attention we're getting lets us observe how the campaigns are attempting to appeal to their respective targets.
with that said, i see our far right wing regulars are still trying to make this election about anything but policy stances and track records.
i'd be running from mccain/palin's policies and track records as well if i were politically blindered enough to support them too.
remember kids...."executive" experience has nothing to do with discontinuing failed policies...just as mcsame.
September 15, 2008
10:41 a.m.
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zivo24 writes:
To "Truth"..
The republican party of Teddy Roosevelt bears absolutely no resemblance to the GOP of today...so what's your point?
To Human Beans..
There is a reason why McCain is catching a lot of heat over his ads claiming that Obama will raise taxes..especially from economists who overwhelmingly agree that Obama's plans will lower taxes for 80% of Americans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fbxpM...
So, you can make your silly little, partisan jokes substantiated by not a single fact, but when it comes to my hard-earned income I'm going to listen to people who actually know what they're talking about.
Obama's plan will save me...and YOU (unless you're in the top 2% of earners in this country) a hell of a lot more money...and because he actually intends to do something about ending the war in Iraq so that we aren't hemoraging billions of dollars into it each month...all the better.
September 15, 2008
10:41 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
richardboyd: "I am so sick of the liberal democrat female model, ala Clinton and DeGette, their only issue is abortion; how narrow minded and boring is that?"
It's not their only issue, if it was, I would have no sympathy for the feminist platform. They also advocate for equal pay, maternity leave, and other family-friendly policies that would actually reduce the amount of abortions. Many women have abortions because they think they can't afford to parent a child.
richardboyd: "Sarah Palin is smart, she is tough, she is a common citizen, not a millionaire or a lawyer, she is one of us, the average common person!"
While I want someone who is actually in touch with the people in the White House, I don't want that person to have the judgment and intelligence of the average common person. Call me an "elite," but I hold the bar quite a bit higher if you want to apply for the job of President of my country.
That being said, I don't think the average common person would sign off on a budget for four straight years that pawns off the cost of rape kits to victims and their insurance companies.
I don't think the average common person intimidates librarians with letters "testing" their loyalty by proposing the idea of book bans.
And I certainly don't think the average common person would advocate for the shooting of wolves and bears from airplanes and the subsequent killing of their orphaned cubs.
Now, I think there are some admirable qualities about Sarah Palin, I truly do. In fact, I defended her when she was first nominated, particularly regarding her dual roles as a politician and mom.
Unfortunately, like many other people, I'm now discovering the first version we were given about her is more than a little fictionalized. And I am not going to let myself get so emotionally invested in a fantasy that I refuse to acknowledge the glaring contrast of reality.
September 15, 2008
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richardboyd writes:
ANWR is over 19 million acres. Drilling would require 2000 acres. This is one ten-thousandth of the total area, which could be developed in a responsible manner. If your mind's eye is envisioning oil derricks spread to the horizon, you are not correct. Drilling has come a long way and can be done in environmentally responsible fashion. This can bridge us over to renewables and get us off the Arab oil addiction. Palin knows more about this than anyone.
About your helicopter comment, what do you really know about culling herds? This is nothing new. Palin cares more about preserving Alaska's pristine condition than any so-called environmentalists in the lower 48. To me she makes alot of sense and is a very well-thought-out person.
September 15, 2008
10:46 a.m.
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LoneTreeLady75 writes:
Palin: The GOP's default VP candidate.
September 15, 2008
10:49 a.m.
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Shaggy writes:
jay writes:
"i see our far right wing regulars are still trying to make this election about anything but policy stances and track records."
Hey jay I know you never answer any questions but I will give it another try just for giggles.
Why is it that Obama repeatedly refused McCains many suggestions to him that they have a series of open debates so the people could listen to their stances on policies?
My guess is that Obama wished he wasn't obligated to have the three that he cannot get out of.
September 15, 2008
10:52 a.m.
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Hambone writes:
"and I said thanks but no thanks!"
September 15, 2008
10:55 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
richardboyd: "About your helicopter comment, what do you really know about culling herds? This is nothing new."
Apparently, I know more than you. She's not culling herds, i.e., the prey. She's culling nature's predators that historically cull the sick and diseased from the herds. And she's doing so simply in order to artificially inflate the number of prey. Then, the tourists who will come to Alaska to bag themselves a trophy will try and bag the biggest, healthiest members from the herds. Which is the exact opposite of nature's tried and true plan.
"Palin cares more about preserving Alaska's pristine condition than any so-called environmentalists in the lower 48."
Nonsense. Look at Wasilla as an example. It was a quintessential Alaskan town before she became mayor. By the time she left, it was transformed into just another big-box town paved with parking lots.
It never ceases to amaze me that the people who most want to identify themselves as a "rugged individual living off the wild frontier" are the very people who advocate for taming wilderness into a hyper-orderly world of subdivisions and chain stores.
September 15, 2008
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mytwosense writes:
Shaggy: "Why is it that Obama repeatedly refused McCains many suggestions to him that they have a series of open debates so the people could listen to their stances on policies?"
Because Town Hall-style debates are typically unmoderated and usually deteriorate into the candidates talking over each other. The issues get drowned out, and voters are right back to where they started.
That's why you gotta have a ref.
September 15, 2008
10:58 a.m.
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richardboyd writes:
the GOP hasn't single handedly destroyed the economy. It was a joint effort.
September 15, 2008
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zivo24 writes:
Hey Shaggy..
If you have seen Obama speak on the issues...and you have seen McCain speak on the issues..or at all for that matter..you should be wondering why McCain wants a head-to-head with Obama at all.
McCain is a smart man but Obama is not only much more intelligent...just look at the difference in their educational bios..but when it comes to speak on the issues..Obama is going to blow McCain away.
I'm looking at this from the perspective of who is going to come off as more confident, most knowledgable, and most beleivable.
McCain is not a good public speaker. He doesn't present himself well. He reads, quite obviously, from teleprompters, and when asked questions..his answers tend to be extremely vague and rely mostly on rehearsed rhetoric.
September 15, 2008
11:01 a.m.
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richardboyd writes:
Broomfield used to be a little dorf like Wasilla, but I don't think it's the mayor's fault that it's now HUGE.
September 15, 2008
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mytwosense writes:
richardboyd writes: "the GOP hasn't single handedly destroyed the economy. It was a joint effort."
That I will definitely agree with!
What concerns me about McCain is he has economic advisers that are refusing to acknowledge the problems that have led to where we are. Instead, they are pretending the problems are largely mental and Americans are "whiners."
At least Obama's team seems willing to face the magnitude of the problems.
Plus, I don't believe McCain when he says he will reform agency oversight of industry. Because his main economic platform, best I can tell, is he will "make government get out of the way of business."
We tried that. And then we ended up having to nationalize the mortgage industry as a result.
There is a difference between overly restrictive guidelines and basic common sense oversight. Unfortunately, I don't think McCain makes the distinction.
September 15, 2008
11:05 a.m.
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richardboyd writes:
World view challenged by Palin? Try character assassination!
September 15, 2008
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richardboyd writes:
Agree the banks were greedy and deserve to go down, and the exectives of Fannie and Freddie, and the rest, should be put in jail. The taxpayers are going on the hook for the losses, while the execs pocketed the gains. This goes way beyond democrat or republican.
September 15, 2008
11:09 a.m.
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temurlan writes:
Just got back from the rally. It was loud and packed. Everybody seemed pretty excited. Kind of odd though. There was no big screen with Bush giving a speech. Don't know where that came from.
She started her remarks by addressing the finacial crisis. She has some new material. Not the same old stump speech.
September 15, 2008
11:10 a.m.
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Shaggy writes:
Actually twosense,
It would have given everyone more insight to the differences of the two Candidates.
Besides, I didn't mean it to sound like it would not be monitored by a neutral moderator, I meant that the PEOPLE could ask questions instead of the moderator.
McCain has been open to this from the beginning however Obama was in the lead and didn't want to screw it up so Obama refused the invitations.
Even on 9/11 when they were both doing that commentary one at a time, McCain suggested to them to have them both of them on at the same time to dicuss and debate the issues instead of having one on at a time.
Obama is avoiding as along as he can from confronting McCain face to face. This speaks volumes to the weakness of Obama.
September 15, 2008
11:13 a.m.
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Billy writes:
Palin= another George Bush puppet. Vote GOP, get what you deserve, another four years of Bushism.
September 15, 2008
11:14 a.m.
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JayBen writes:
Lynn reports that Feylin reported the Bridge to Nowhere lie... again. Otherwise same excerpted stump speech. Tina Fey had more to offer Saturday night... http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thef...
September 15, 2008
11:16 a.m.
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GladysKravitz writes:
is Sarah Palin-droning on again about firing the chef and upsetting her kids and selling that plane on ebay...which is a lie- it was sold by a broker at a loss to her state. Or is it Sarah STalin, who questioned loyalty of the Wasilla of librarian (who she fired) about banning books, and charging sexually abused women in her town for rape kits?
Who is going to raise her he Down Syndrom child? As a gaurdian of a developmentally disabled family member, she seems to be putting her family behind her. What was that saying my parents taught me....hmm....oh yeah....FAMILY COMES FIRST. Pity her children.
September 15, 2008
11:17 a.m.
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zivo24 writes:
I'm not saying that in the debates, that Obama is going to sway anyone who has already made up their minds to vote for McCain.
But I absolutely believe that when they hear the difference between Obama and McCain in their grasp on the issues, their ablitity to relate their plans to ordinary people..and frankly, their ability to instill confidence in voters....the fence-sitters are going to start falling more heavily to Obama's side.
As for Biden/Palin...Biden is a walking encyclopedia when it comes to foreign policy and other issues..so she better be better prepared than when she sat down with Charlie Gibson..and she better check the negativity that was the centerpiece of her GOP speech at the door...because she's becoming too defined by the negativity and attack...and while some in the choir may have embraced that..too many who care more about country than party are sick of it.
September 15, 2008
11:20 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Shaggy writes: "Besides, I didn't mean it to sound like it would not be monitored by a neutral moderator, I meant that the PEOPLE could ask questions instead of the moderator."
Ah, ok. Yes, those kinds of debates should be a part of the process. Although I still think a moderator should be on hand to serve as a ref if one candidate won't shut up and let the other respond, or continually talks over the other candidate.
Another potential downside is someone asking a really inappropriate question. I remember watching a youtube video where some jerk asked McCain if he really called his wife a certain name.
I was actually embarrassed for America when this guy asked such a sleazy question. And I'm not even a McCain supporter!
September 15, 2008
11:21 a.m.
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Salsmom writes:
wonder if the former gov. owens gave the crowd his own rousing version of family values?
September 15, 2008
11:24 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
cterryr2 writes: "Who needs a Harvard education?"
What exactly have "Harvard educated" politicians done for us lately?
Was is William F Buckley who said something along the lines:
"I would rather be governed by the first 1000 names in the phonebook, than the combined faculty of Harvard".
Truer words never were spoken. We need to stop glorifying these elite schools for no reason whatsoever.
Presidents who didn't go to Harvard: Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan.
September 15, 2008
11:25 a.m.
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SlouchingTowardBoulder writes:
I see where Lisa Ryckmann (who covers health and fitness) gets in the obligatory digs at the Republicans. Do you people ever get embarassed by your own bias?
I mean, really?
September 15, 2008
11:25 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
GladysKravitz writes: "Who is going to raise her he Down Syndrom child? As a gaurdian of a developmentally disabled family member, she seems to be putting her family behind her. What was that saying my parents taught me....hmm....oh yeah....FAMILY COMES FIRST. Pity her children."
Now this is one line of attack that I will not support. My own mother put herself through school to become a well-paid professional and eventually, the owner of a thriving law practice. Yes, I would have liked to have had her around more during the busiest years it required of her, but she did what she did so we would have a better life. She also served as an incredible role model. I was and am proud of my mother for making something out of her life.
And I imagine Sarah Palin's children feel exactly the same.
That little baby is going to have a lot of love, too. The Palin family is certainly "colorful," but they are obviously tight-knit and fiercely loyal to each other. That I can respect.
I just wish I could respect her economic and environmental policies.
September 15, 2008
11:28 a.m.
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Shaggy writes:
zivo24 writes:
"Obama is not only much more intelligent...just look at the difference in their educational bios"
McCain has a lifetime of actual learning and experience, Obama has a text book education taught by Liberal Professors at an ivy league School.
Obama has no clue to how the World works, especially the Middle East.
Remember he said Iran is a tiny Country that poses no serious threat.
Obama said he would not take Nuclear attacks of the table with Pakistan until he was told they are our allies.
It took Obama three days and three different takes to get it right on the Georgia crisis only to come back and say the same thing McCain said moments after the invasion.
Obama doesn't even know what Language is spoken in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Obama is a Lawyer who has never tried a significant case if any case at all.
Obama is a Senator who has never introduced any significant legislature.
Obama has voted present over a hundred times because he couldn't figure out how to vote.
Please tell me two major accomplishements of Obamas and being the journal reviewer(?) at Harvard, becoming a Senator and a community organizer are not major accomplishments.
What has he actually done?
He has never ran a business.
He has never had any executive experience.
September 15, 2008
11:30 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Cowboy63, I'm with you on the elite education thing. I mean, look at Bush. A Yale degree obviously did nothing for his intellectual curiosity, or rather, lack thereof.
I'm looking for good judgment and policy stances.
September 15, 2008
11:39 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Shaggy: "Please tell me two major accomplishements of Obamas and being the journal reviewer(?) at Harvard, becoming a Senator and a community organizer are not major accomplishments.
What has he actually done?
He has never ran a business.
He has never had any executive experience."
John McCain has never run a business either, and I am not sure if his military career counts as executive experience. He was a POW for most of it, wasn't he?
Anyway, being an executive is not the only form of being a leader. I count being a community organizer as a leader, I count teaching Constitutional Law as being a leader, and I certainly count representing your state as a Senator as being a leader.
In all instances, you are instructing and managing other people, just in different ways than the typical rigidly hierarchal manner of a business.
And that is important, because government is made up of three distinctly separate branches - the judicial, legislative, and executive. It is not simply a top-down structure like most companies are.
At any rate, unless you live in a vacuum, we know that many executives often have dismal judgment. Ultimately, judgment and sound grasp on policy is what we need in a president. I think Obama has far more of the former than McCain. Both are probably a little shaky on the latter, but at least Obama is sharp and a quick study and willing to acknowledge it's going to take more than "letting government get out of the way" to get our economy out of this tailspin.
September 15, 2008
11:39 a.m.
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JayBen writes:
How specifically did Feylin say she'd solve the worst financial crises in this country since the Great Depression?
September 15, 2008
11:39 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
zivo24 writes: "Obama is not only much more intelligent...just look at the difference in their educational bios"
Didn't Obama say there were 57 states (including "New Pennsylvania")?
I'm sure they are posting that one up in the Harvard Hall of Fame.
September 15, 2008
11:41 a.m.
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zivo24 writes:
Hey Cowboy63...
It's not necessarily the school that Obama graduated from that impresses me.
It's the fact that the child of a single mother, who grew up going to public schools and had no financial advantages....had the intelligence and paid the due dilligence to earn the scholarships to be accepted to that school.
I'm a lot more impressed by someone who comes from a background with very little and applies themselves to achieve so much..then someone who comes from a background where they had so much given to them..whether they had earned it or not..and still didn't apply themselves.
Barack Obama earned his scholarships, accolades and diplomas with nothing but his own hard work.
John McCain went to the finest prep schools that money could buy because his family had it to spend. There's nothing wrong with that except for the fact that he didn't appreciate it enough to apply himself.
Then he gets into the USNA...not on his own merits, but because his father and grandfather were alumni and both were admirals.
Talk about "affirmative action". I wonder how the young man who did apply himself and got a rejection letter from the USNA because McCain took his spot..feels about it all.
Again, he didn't apprpeciate these advantages enough to take advantage of it. He graduated 894th out of 899 students in his class.
Someone had the stupid audicity to suggest that someone who graduates last in his class in medical school is still called "Dr.", just like the guy who graduated first in the class.
But who would you take your kid to if he were sick?
So, again..this isn't just about the schools...it's about the character of the candidates when they were young men and how they approached their educational opportunities.
You wanna vote for someone who was handed every opportunity on a silver plate and didn't appreciate them..then go ahead..I'm gonna vote for the guy who put his nose to the grindstone and earned everything he got.
September 15, 2008
11:43 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Good post, Zivo!
September 15, 2008
11:45 a.m.
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maw writes:
is bin ladin and obamas pastor the same?
September 15, 2008
11:45 a.m.
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robbyr2 writes:
"ANWR is over 19 million acres. Drilling would require 2000 acres. This is one ten-thousandth of the total area, which could be developed in a responsible manner. If your mind's eye is envisioning oil derricks spread to the horizon, you are not correct. Drilling has come a long way and can be done in environmentally responsible fashion. This can bridge us over to renewables and get us off the Arab oil addiction. Palin knows more about this than anyone."
Even if true, which assumes no accidents and lots of regulation which no right-minded Republican would accept, the most extreme guesses as to how much oil ANWR has is 20 billion barrels. Seeing as how we use 7 billion barrels a year, and import 5 billion barrels a year, some bridge. And it won't even start "bridging" for at least a decade. Talk about a bridge to nowhere.
September 15, 2008
11:53 a.m.
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rg writes:
Stop it! Bloggers referring to bloggers as stupid, moron, idiot must stop. Sarah Palin's (GOP) commercial and she claim she sabotaged the bridge to no-where after she'd received $millions. Publicity cancelled the bridge and she kept the $millions. This puts her in the category of lie and thief. She must return the money since it was not used as intended. McCain has a very low opinion of pork barrel and Palin is the pork barrel queen.
September 15, 2008
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Shaggy writes:
"I count teaching Constitutional Law as being a leader,"
I am glad you brought this up.
When D.C banned all hand guns and it was ruled Constitutional, Obama said he agreed with the decision.
Then when it was over turned and ruled unconstitutional Obama said he agreed with that ruling.
This is just more proof how Obama changes his stances constantly and cannot for the life of him take a stance and stand on it.
Voting present more than anyone in the Senate is more proof.
Not standing up to his racist Preacher is another example of his weakness.
Not wanting to debate McCain face to face is more proof.
Why is it that many of you are blinded to the fact Obama is insecure about himself?
He is nothing but a POS!
September 15, 2008
11:54 a.m.
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GladysKravitz writes:
Zivo...may I share your post with others.... you really nail it!
September 15, 2008
11:55 a.m.
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jay writes:
as usual shaggy, your questions are borne from your willful ignorance.
mytwosense did a good job of setting you straight, but i'll add that obama has not refused to debate mccain, but rather refused to debate in an unmoderated format...thus taking away mccain's wiggle room.
pretty intelligent when you consider that obama will be talking about discontinuing failed policies...whereas in a moderated debate, mccain will be forced to confess that he supports continuing failed policies.
remember shaggy...it always comes back to The McSame Effect.
September 15, 2008
11:56 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
mytwosense, it's on capital gains. Obama plans on raising it from 15% to a 20% tax rate.
Check these two links out for some information on Obama and his tax and spend policies:
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinio...
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/...
September 15, 2008
11:57 a.m.
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GladysKravitz writes:
to maw...is you intellygent?? Or were that deh way day taught you grammur is skool?
September 15, 2008
11:57 a.m.
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richardboyd writes:
Debate is healthy and good, but what is NOT good is how appallingly slanted the mainstream media is in this country. It is glaringly obvious from watching ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN that they prefer the democrat candidates. Same with this paper. I've spent years in Europe, and lots of time in Singapore. The press and media here are an unfunny liberal joke, yet they pass themselves off as supposedly neutral. It's hard to learn the issues when all they feed us are sound bites and slanted interviews.
September 15, 2008
11:59 a.m.
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4gColoNative writes:
re: 6:20 and 6:21 posts
Lets' apply some context. Namely, sample incomes for these brackets. Because wise people use some perspective when evaluating these things. Because the analysis given is a red herring. If people want blind "fairness," then our government should create a flat tax.
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings) .
If Mr. Six makes $29k per year, the annual cost of daily beer drinking is 2.5% of his income.
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28%savings) .
Making $77k annually, cost is 2.4% of income.
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 ( 25% savings).
Making $160k annually, cost is 2.1% of income.
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 ( 22% savings).
Making $350k annually, cost is 1.5% of income.
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Making $1.5 Million annually, cost is 1.2% of income.
So relatively speaking, this tenth man--who is supposedly getting the shaft--is still way ahead of the others when it comes to affording the cost [of whatever ... gasoline, heating & electricity, food, clothing ... beer].
If you're in the bar with your friend the millionaire, and you're making $27k per year as a heating & cooling technician, who is buying the majority of rounds? Does he have a problem with this?
September 15, 2008
11:59 a.m.
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GladysKravitz writes:
Excuse me maw...I meant to ask "is that they way they 'TEACHED' you in school?"
September 15, 2008
12:04 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
Gladys, if your comments are true, then it's the education system that's failed someone, the same education system populated by Democratic supporters. Nice....... you cut down your own group and you didn't even know it.
September 15, 2008
12:05 p.m.
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GladysKravitz writes:
HUMAN BEANS says: "Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier"...somehow I doubt that, many european countries have higher tax rates, and I don;t think china would be as homey.
September 15, 2008
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fastnloose writes:
There are several areas, that constitute the Bush Doctrine.Pompous, Charles Gibson, did not even ask the question properly.These high flying elitist are a joke.
September 15, 2008
12:06 p.m.
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Shaggy writes:
rick_e_bear writes:
"Damn, Palin didn't even know what The Bush Doctrine is and said her foreign policy experience comes from looking at Russia."
Either do you nor anyone else because there is no such defined answer to this, it simply does not exist, it is not documented.
As for Russia, Alaska is the first line of defense and she is the Commander in Chief of the National Guard and if attacked she would have direct influence in strategy.
Again, more executive powers than Obama.
It is very easy to spot someone who is getting their misinformation from left talk show hosts.
September 15, 2008
12:08 p.m.
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richardboyd writes:
robby
you are correct, US Dept of Interior estimates recoverable oil at 9 to 16 billion barrels. That's several years consumption if ANWR were the sole source! That is HUGE!! It is beyond crazy to be dependent on the Arabs when we've got this kind of reserves of our own. And YES WE CAN be responsible and environmentally conscience when getting it out of the ground and into the market. And YES WE MUST develop ALL other alternative sources in parallel. Hey, have a good day, man.
September 15, 2008
12:09 p.m.
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Frontranger writes:
temu, glad to hear she has some new material. repeating the same lies for 2 weeks was getting old. hopefully we will hear about real issues from McCain and party, not just more lies.
September 15, 2008
12:11 p.m.
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Shaggy writes:
jay,
You are misguided once again or you are just flay out lying again, Obama has repeatedly refuse McCains request for debates.
McCain could care less if they were refereed or not.
Obama would not debate him on the issues.
September 15, 2008
12:12 p.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Shaggy: "When D.C banned all hand guns and it was ruled Constitutional, Obama said he agreed with the decision.
Then when it was over turned and ruled unconstitutional Obama said he agreed with that ruling."
Well, I agreed with Obama on the latter. I honestly don't remember reading when he specifically endorsed the former. Do you have a credible link? Not saying it wouldn't be the first time he
changed a policy position, which is why he wasn't my first choice.
Cwillyrun1 writes: "mytwosense, it's on capital gains. Obama plans on raising it from 15% to a 20% tax rate."
Yes, I suspected that is what you were referring to. Don't you think it's grossly misleading to refer to what is basically an income tax as a windfall tax on retirement funds?
For one thing, a lot of people make their living as investors. This is who the tax increase would affect. And that's still a hell of a lower tax rate than most of us have to pay. Why on earth should an investor pay a smaller income tax rate than I do? For that matter, a smaller rate than a teacher, a cop, a nurse, a pilot, etc. does? It's one thing to tax people based on their income, I can see some merit in a progressive ta