Another illegal immigrant case rocks Aurora
By April M. Washington, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published September 11, 2008 at 7:12 p.m.
Aurora police said Thursday that for the second time in a week they have arrested an illegal immigrant after a highly dangerous crash on the city's streets.
Officers arrested Hipolito Vasquez Rojas, 19, after he and a 16-year-old male accomplice allegedly stole a car, crashed into a police car, plowed into a tree and then led officers on a foot chase Wednesday night.
Rojas, who police say is a gang member, was deported in April following his release from the Adams County Jail after serving time for auto theft. It is not known how he turned up five months later in connection with a robbery and shooting.
"This is a reality for our police officers every day. We are getting beat up as to why we're not doing more? The question posed to ICE should be why isn't more being done to shut down the porous border?" said Aurora Police spokesman Bob Friel.
Court and police records show that Rojas has an extensive criminal history, including 30 felony and misdemeanor arrests mostly in Aurora for eluding police, auto theft and illegally possessing a weapon and other charges.
Rojas was also wanted by Adams County for failure to appear in court on an auto theft charge and on a national extradition warrant.
He now is being held for investigation of first-degree attempted homicide, criminal intent for first-degree assault and auto theft, police said.
Police did not identify the juvenile arrested with him. He could face similar charges as an adult, Friel said.
ICE spokesman Carol Rusnok said Rojas was kicked out of the country April 18.
Rusnok said it's a felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison to re-enter the country after being deported. ICE has placed another hold on Rojas based on his most recent arrest.
The chase and arrest come on the heels of the Sept. 4 fatal hit-and-run accident involving an illegal immigrant who remained free despite nearly 20 arrest in five years.
Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said it's fortunate that Wednesday's shooting didn't lead to a similar tragedy.
"Obviously, we are extremely fortunate that the round of gunfire missed," Oates said. "Had it struck and killed someone would we all be here looking at the next Francis Hernandez case?"
Wednesday's crime spree began around 1 p.m. when Rojas and the teen allegedly tried to steal a white Chevrolet Blazer from the parking lot of a business near Interstate 70 and Tower Road.
As an employee tried to stop the car theft, Rojas allegedly shot at him with a handgun, grazing the worker's shirt.
Aurora police did not release the identity of the worker, who was not seriously hurt.
Rojas and the youth allegedly stole a Honda Civic from the parking lot and later crashed it into a tree in the 9800 Block of East Colfax Avenue.
They ran from officers and were later arrested separately about three blocks away.
September 11, 2008
7:47 p.m.
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mmannino writes:
The Democrats, some open borders Republicans, and a host of other groups (greens, La Raza, ...) are trying to stop border enforcement and wall construction. ICE is captive to the political process. The Bush administration has relunctantly done much more enforcement in the last 2 years including trying to build the wall. If the chosen one is elected, the wall will not be finished.
September 11, 2008
7:51 p.m.
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Outlaw writes:
The illegals are invading our country. There are 2 things we need to do to take back our country. We need to SEAL THE BORDER and we need to dry up the jobs. The border needs to be a no man's land DMZ type of operation. However if they do manage to get across, the penalties for hiring them need to be so severe that jobs will just not be available. Right now, the reward is so much greater than the risk, that they just come back, even if deported. And there is always someone who will hire them, because again the risk is so low and the reward so great that employers don't care if they get caught with a couple of illegals on the payroll.
September 11, 2008
7:51 p.m.
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diggtbks writes:
This is another example of the failure of Democratic leadership to keep folks safe. People need to look at the leadership in sanctuary cities across America their elected officials are in the Democratic Party. The taxpaying public's safety is secondary to the rights of illegal immigrants and gangsters.
This policy will carry forward onto the national level if the Dems get into the White House.
Hickenlooper and Ritter proudly proclaim Denver and much of Colorado a sanctuary for illegal immigrants at the cost of public safety.
Its obvious the public's safety is up to themselves, learn how to protect yourselves.
September 11, 2008
7:54 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
Time to get descriptions RIGHT, Rocky JOURNALISTS ( you haven't had a REPORTER in years ).
The proper description is ILLEGAL ALIEN as described in the US CODE.
Time to face REALITY and not an AP style sheet.
The public is getting fed up with M$M. That just might explain the decline in subscriptions....
September 11, 2008
8:01 p.m.
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happymike44 writes:
These guys deserve to be deported and never allowed back in the U.S.
We need to start arresting and detaining coyotes who smuggle people into the u.s.
The other thing we need to do is stop funding the food stamps and the medical and housing allowance for illegals.
We also need to terminate the people who allow these people onto the system to defraud the american taxpayer.
I feel if the illegals had to feed themselves and are not given funding the reason for their being here will cease.
September 11, 2008
8:03 p.m.
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Jimminy writes:
Well,if the DA does his job,Rojas won't have to worry about being deported again until he is very,very old.
September 11, 2008
8:19 p.m.
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September 11, 2008
8:21 p.m.
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18Zwife writes:
Are we kidding… thirty felony and misdemeanor arrests? What in the world is it going to take before we law abiding citizens say ENOUGH! A thirty cent bullet would take care of this illegal alien POS real quick.
September 11, 2008
8:22 p.m.
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redwhiteandBLUE writes:
These dudes are really OUT OF CONTROL! Start deporting!
Unless the border is tightly sealed..they and others will return in 3 days! Cat & mouse game.
September 11, 2008
8:39 p.m.
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18Zwife writes:
redwhiteandBLUE: The POS WAS deported already. Apparently that doesn’t work. He’s 19 and has thirty felony and misdemeanor charges already. And that’s mostly in one county! Can we just off him now before he offs one of us?
September 11, 2008
8:50 p.m.
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BacklashSchitzka writes:
Geez, 18Zwife - I was saying, essentially, the same thing in a post to one of the previous stories on the Hernandez "POS". Some clown named James complained on me and they deleted my comment. I think it is time to see how to go about joining the Minutemen of Colorado...see ya there!
September 11, 2008
8:57 p.m.
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ssquared writes:
18Zwife & Backlash Schitzka,
It's time. Everything else is broken.
September 11, 2008
8:59 p.m.
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PlayFair writes:
WHAT THE????????????? ENOUGH IS E-FREAKING-NUFF!!!
Tell me the story again, Grandpa, about how you busted your a$$, got to Ellis Island, learned to speak English, became an American citizen with pride, swore to uphold the Constitution---Tell me that story again. And tell me now, just how cheap your citizenship has become.
SHUT THE FREAKING BORDERS! FINE THE SNOT OUT OF THE EMPLOYERS WHO USE SLAVE LABOR TO INCREASE THEIR PROFITS! STOP FLYING ANY OTHER FLAG ABOVE MY FLAG! STOP ASKING ME TO PRESS 1 FOR ENGLISH! STOP PUTTING FOREIGN LANGUAGES ON AMERICAN PRODUCTS! STOP HAVING BI-LINGUAL BUSINESSES, SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, COURTS, UTILITY BILLS!!! STOP CATORING! STOP BEING AFRAID TO TAKE A COUNTRY BACK FOR WHICH AMERICANS SPILLED (AND CONTINUE TO SPILL) THEIR RED BLOOD!!! IT'S 9-11 FOR C'S SAKE!
If the border was in the backyard of spineless-Ritter or jello-guts Hickenwhatever, something tells me there'd be a few less ILLEGAL (I-L-L-E-G-A-L) aliens on our streets! God forbid something should happen to one of their family members! STOP WASTING TIME POINTING YOUR FINGERS AT ANYONE BUT YOURSELVES AND FREAKING DO SOMETHING!!! BE MEN! BE AMERICAN MEN AND DO THE RIGHT THING!!! How the hell do you sleep at night?????
September 11, 2008
9:01 p.m.
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Justin_Credible writes:
Report and Deport
September 11, 2008
9:03 p.m.
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NeilT writes:
Agreed
It's time...
September 11, 2008
9:09 p.m.
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NeilT writes:
This is not a partisan issue, you idiots!
It's We the People vs. our do nothing government and the invaders both sides of the aisle love.
Wake up!
It's time...
September 11, 2008
9:14 p.m.
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ssquared writes:
Justin_Credible -
Good idea. Wrong solution.
The local police are only as good as ICE and ICE is broken.
It's time.
September 11, 2008
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LOUIE writes:
With former mayor Pena supporting amnesty and showing up at the rally supporting illegals, with mayor Hinckenlooper's restaurants hiring illegals that murder police officers, with a Denver city council that refuses to protect our citizens, with a governor who used to plea bargain the illegals criminal cases and set them free to go on to commit greater crimes like rape, good luck trying to stop the illegals who are criminals. If the politicians support them, employ them, refuse to protect the citizens, set them free to reoffend, it looks to be a losing battle. I don't see an end to the problem anytime soon folks, they've even flooded our state prisons with 4000 illegals, our schools are spending millions to educate in 2 languages, most of the lower paying jobs are going to illegals instead of our children or our poor, I'd say they just about own Colorado; except for the high paying white collar jobs held predomonately by anglos, the rest of Colorado from construction to fast food belongs to the illegal for the taking. In many ways illegal immigration is hurting the people who can least afford it, America's minority community. Seems my people favor the illegal and thier cheap labor, over thier fellow Americans, just like Hickenlooper and Ritter. Anglos also weather recessions better than the minority community. It's not right, but with many minorities dropping out of school, those jobs are very much going to be in demand, and with the illegals taking them, these jobs will be hard to come by in America for Americans. I think America takes care of Americans first, especially our minority communities where education is sometimes not equal to the majority. Almost a 50% drop out rate amongst hispanic Americans alone, now you give the jobs that belong to them in construction and other areas to illegals because thier labor is cheaper? Before I'm accused of being racist, consider what I'm saying when I say I want to protect the jobs of all Americans including the minority community. My people need to step up to the plate and protect those of all races who are less affluent and thier own fellow countrymen first. No amnesty, no more illegals, we take care of our own people first, both with education as well as job security. When the American economy goes south, minorities are the hardest hit with unemployment. They deserve better, they desrve a decent wage and a future for thier families, not someone who breaks or laws and illegally seeks to undermine our own citizens economic future. Maybe I'm wrong, but I want all Americans to have a piece of the pie first, especially when this economy dumps. I've seen many things in my many years, I want America to take care of thier citizens first, regardless of race. I don't want my tax money spent on the higher education of an illegal if there is one American regardless of race being turned away.
September 11, 2008
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NeilT writes:
Justin,
These a-holes have been deported. They just come back. If they get caught again, we pay an insane amount of money to house them in better conditions than where they came from.
Crazy!
September 11, 2008
9:21 p.m.
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Sundog writes:
Four words: Tip of the iceberg.
September 11, 2008
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truth2u writes:
We can start holding our political leaders responsible. Why isn't Dianne Degette taking this issue up in Congress?...oh wait I forgot she is a bleeding heart liberal.
September 11, 2008
9:22 p.m.
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ssquared writes:
1. Military on the border with the Border Patrol.
2. Concentrate ICE on employers.
3. Jail employers.
4. Cease all US aid to Mexico.
5. Citizens on the street.
September 11, 2008
9:26 p.m.
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ssquared writes:
Forgot one ...
6. Public service work camps for illegals until deported.
September 11, 2008
9:27 p.m.
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SierraStorm writes:
Your just blowing wind! I hear so much rhetoric on the demcrappers and repelicans not doing what they should do. You are correct because you people are those democrappers, and repelicans, greenies...... that either support the carnage of illegal immigrant peasants/gangsters or you do nothing but write protesting blogs and perhaps make self serving comments on Peter Boyles show. Some of us have worked our hind ends off by monitoring the border, attending rally's, and contacting our state and U.S. representatives. Many democrappers/repelicans aren't even aware there is a problem until; like the survivors of victims are affected in a very unkind way. Until every, or the majority of Americans stand up and shout like the illegals did in their national protest marches, the coward, vote seeking politician's will do nothing. You have to rock the boat, be very verbal to everybody that you talk to outside of your circle of likewise thinking friends/acquaintances, and key board patriots.
THIS IS AN EXTREMELY SERIOUS ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN IGNORED FOR TOO MANY YEARS. ALL OF YOU HAVE TO STAND UP AND SHOUT YOUR DISCONTENT NOW!
Go here for an education: www.sovereigntycolorado.com
September 11, 2008
9:27 p.m.
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denverrma writes:
Jezzzz! If I could somehow slip into England, France, Germany and most other countries around the World undetected, Id last a few weeks before I were scooped up and deported! Why is an issue in this country! Come here legally and get a job or stay out! Im all for LEGAL immigration however. And of course keeping illegals out is the job of the Feds....SO GET IT TOGETHER AND DO YOUR JOB!
September 11, 2008
9:30 p.m.
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PlayFair writes:
ssqured,
Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border.
Send the dirt to New Orleans to raise the level of the levies.
Put the Florida alligators in the moat along the Mexican border.
(Who needs a city council when there's brainstorming like this?)
September 11, 2008
9:30 p.m.
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Sixtysixdeuce writes:
I've said it before, and I'm beginning to believe it may be the only practical solution.
Once caught, brand an illegal on the forehead and send it home. Make it open season on anyone found in this country with that brand.
Do that, and the ones who are here will be angels. The ones who are sent home won't come back.
September 11, 2008
9:32 p.m.
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ssquared writes:
SierraStorm -
5. Citizens on the street.
September 11, 2008
9:43 p.m.
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ssquared writes:
PlayFair -
Now we're talking. Civil Engineering and Zoology. I've reserved a self-adhesive 'gold star' for you PlayFair!
That's how the Japanese built the new Hokkaido (?) Airport. They moved a mountain out of the city and built an island in the bay. New airport and badly needed new land for development. Don't think they added any reptiles though.
September 11, 2008
9:48 p.m.
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bluespanail writes:
again, first time accross and caught send them back, second time accross shoot them for invading the United states.
September 11, 2008
9:48 p.m.
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saviandme writes:
The comments here are so disgusting... You are talking about human beings... yes, I am a flippin bleeding hear liberal... And I beleive that the whoever wins the election will do the right thing for this country. enough on that issue.
but to happymike44, what a joke. Do you know that there are NO publicly funded programs that help illegals... They don't get OUR tax dollars for those programs... Do your homework...
September 11, 2008
9:51 p.m.
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18Zwife writes:
You know, whenever I hear a pandering to La Raza politician (McCain/Obama most recently— this very evening to be exact) say that we must bring the POS illegal aliens “out of the shadows” and give them amnesty, I’m reminded of the POS illegal aliens marching in our streets and with one hand waving the Mexican flag and with the other hand giving law abiding U.S. citizens the literal middle finger.
No more whining. We have got to get off of our collective butts and take back our streets.
September 11, 2008
9:59 p.m.
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18Zwife writes:
Saviandme:
We’re disgusting? Listen up cupcake, those illegal alien “human beings” you refer to have NO regard for other “human beings”. The law means NOTHING to them. The fact that they’re illegal aliens should be your first clue. It could be YOU next. They don’t care.
September 11, 2008
10:06 p.m.
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MileHighPatriot writes:
"The question posed to ICE should be why isn't more being done to shut down the porous border?" says a police spokesman.
It's the same thing I've been saying for a while. The key is the border, and every illegal has a key.
saviandme,
you hit the nail on the head... not only are you a bleeding heart, but an idiot as well. I wouldn't call you one if you weren't so. Of course it's wrong to wish death on every illegal out here. Of course not all are as bad as Hipolito. But the problem is that there is no screening system to keep the bad out when you cross illegally! Get that through you skull. Of course you won't reply to me because there is no defense our counter to this argument. You are wrong... so go eat your cookie and dip it in some milk.
Also.. no program that benefits illegals? How bout our education system? I know teachers RIGHT NOW that have illegals (children and whose parents are illegals as well) in their class rooms... how bout the emergency room? How about getting arrested and our department of corrections. YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH AND THINK FOR ONCE.
September 11, 2008
10:11 p.m.
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mandzoco writes:
"saviandme writes: . . .Do you know that there are NO publicly funded programs that help illegals... They don't get OUR tax dollars for those programs... Do your homework..."
I HAVE, YOU NEED TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK or go get in line with your buddies at the local assistance office and tell them the tide is turning!!
Here is a small example of PUBLICLY FUNDED PROGRAMS TO HELP ILLEGAL / UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS . . . . Several states -- Texas, California, New York, Utah, Illinois, Washington, Nebraska, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Kansas -- have passed state laws providing in-state tuition benefits to illegal aliens who have attended high school in the state for three or more years. Similar legislation is pending in Florida, Hawaii, Maryland (legislation passed, but awaiting governor's signature), Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia. (Connecticut and Wisconsin also passed such a law, but their governors vetoed it. Thanks to those governors!) The Nevada system of higher education does not consider immigration status for in-state tuition, but does require it for a state-sponsored scholarship. Also, some schools in Georgia provide in-state tuition benefits to illegal aliens. The Texas law also allows illegal aliens to receive state student financial aid.
And all of these programs are supported by who, the U.S. TAXPAYER!!
September 11, 2008
10:25 p.m.
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ssquared writes:
saviandme -
We used to think that.
Now, we're sick and tired of the illegal criminals who are invading the United States. Where the 'f' were your bleeding heart liberal comments for the three innocents who were murdered in Aurora a week ago today ... by an illegal Guatamalan? You are a hypocite! You run your mouth about 'human beings' yet you defend the very 'scum' (as a human being) who murdered a little boy and two mothers. One of which has a son defending this country, and your lib @ss, in Iraq. We're not talking about folks who are here legally. We're talking about criminals who would run YOUR lib @ss over and leave YOU to die.
You are correct about no publicly funded programs to help illegals. They don't need them. They're su*king the system dry in taking advantage of everything the citizens pay for ... hospitals, schools, our roads and every other damned thing they can work the system for. Not to mention what it costs to prosecute, house and feed the thousands of illegals in our jails and prisons. When was the last time we saw an illegal with auto insurance? Who do you think pays for the carnage when an illegal kills a child and two women as was the case last week? Who pays for it? Illegals commit serious crimes at a rate three and a half times the rate of any other group in this country. You want to deffend that on the basis of "they're human beings too"?
There is no defense for illegals. The very first thing they do to get here is break a law. And, it sure as hell looks as if that does not change once they are here.
Go sell it somewhere else. There are one set of rules and they have to play by ours. We break the law, we go to jail. They break the law, they go to jail ... then they go home.
September 11, 2008
10:25 p.m.
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Uno writes:
Remember Tom Tancredo? The “racist bigot” who was named one of Rolling Stone's 10 worst congressmen? The most hated guy by Hickenlooper, DeGette and the left in general? The guy who's comments where taken out of context by the media and people where too lazy to find out the truth about? So, if we let guys like Tom to get stomped on, elect the Ritters and Hickenloopers into office, than why all the fuss about illegal aliens killing and maiming? The people got what they wanted.
September 11, 2008
10:36 p.m.
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bluespanail writes:
again, first time accross and caught send them back, second time accross shoot them for invading the United states.
September 11, 2008
10:41 p.m.
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Videobarbs writes:
One of these day a majority of legal Americans are going to wake-up and realize that the country they love, pay for with their hard earned honest money in taxes, are law abiding is no longer their country.
We have been sold-out to the lowest bidder. I laugh at these political campaigns anymore - flapping lips and once they're in office they follow the multi-national's direction and not the citizens who supposed elected them.
Of course, neither 2000 or 2004 were honest elections anyway.
What a sad ending (sob) to our beautiful nation.
September 11, 2008
10:44 p.m.
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September 11, 2008
10:50 p.m.
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ssquared writes:
It's time.
September 11, 2008
11:15 p.m.
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watcher1 writes:
Glad I don't live the Denver area.
September 11, 2008
11:36 p.m.
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agzela writes:
There was a time that the class of people (their character) is what counted. I am a Hispanic that is ashamed of the class of people that are coming here illegally. I say this because they dont have any class when they outright disregard a nations law and sovereignty to begin with by illegally coming here. This applies to all of them! I am refusing to pay any further TAXES this is where "we the people" will have the power to change it all.
September 11, 2008
11:45 p.m.
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carryBIGstick writes:
To All,
No matter what is said here and no matter how many of these cases happen, nothing will change and this is why.
1. Neither party will make the stand on this issue because they are afraid they will lose votes. Sadly, those of us who want this to stop are in the minority.
2. Most people of latino desent view this as an attack on their culture. Right or wrong, this is the perception they have. Any talk of strict enforcement on the US/Mexico border is in thier view racist.
3. The mexican people in search of a better life will cross that border and get through even if the penality for crossing was death. Also, many of employers are willing to take the chance and hire them.
Look, I'm on the side of border security and enforcement. But I also understand the reality in which we live. No matter if it's McCain or Jesus Obama as president. Niether person will want to change the current situation.
Sorry for the dose of reality.
September 12, 2008
12:08 a.m.
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kevin3 writes:
We need to figure out a better way to keep the massive amounts of illegals from slipping through our borders than building a costly fence. We need to get Mexico to guard the border for us! The plan would be to bill Mexico for every resource (hospital care, welfare care, deportation costs, law enforcement costs...etc.) any illegal has cost our taxpayers! If Mexico does not pay it's bills for what it's illegal's has cost our country, hit Mexico where it hurts, start ending trade with Mexico!
September 12, 2008
12:18 a.m.
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GlacierDragon writes:
Why stop with a moat. It'd be pretty convenient to have a shipping lane right there...
Call it the Texizona Canal or something like that. ;)
September 12, 2008
12:43 a.m.
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bph writes:
How about a Burning River of Gas
September 12, 2008
3:01 a.m.
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RealTexan writes:
Do you realize that earlier this year, census figures for the Denver metro area shows now "fully 51% of the population is now hispanic". Does not surprise me one bit, I used to reside in Denver. My question is how you believe that politicians can lose "votes"..... the ones that are 'illeagles' do NOT vote, they could care less of the politics. They are much more focused on the mundane issues, money. However the sysytem is so badly mismanaged that deportation does not deter them from returning. The chances of the undesirables being involved is pretty high here too. Yes, it is time. I believe that the rules need to be re-written, to the extent that penalties for this action is steep. VERY STEEP.
September 12, 2008
3:49 a.m.
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roger44 writes:
House speaker Andrew Romanoff has great visions for education in Colorado, yet we are spending a pile of money to teach English to kids of illegals.
We marked a sad day in history yesterday, 3,000 people killed by radicals in airplanes. yet, if you could count the number of citizens that have been victims of the invasion from the south, you can bet it would be ten times that number, at least, yet, our so called leaders sit on their butts.
here's a vision for you Andrew, make drunk driving a felony, first offense minimum 6 months, $3,000 fine. Driving without a license or insurance, confiscate vehicle, (gee, enforce the law we now have, priceless) fine heck out of them. Stop slapping these people and knock them down, they'll remember that. employers hiring illegals, $5,000 each offense. make it hurt. Do something before more citizens make the headlines of being a victim of the do nothing government failures. how many have to be victims before the so called leaders in this state and country get the message?
September 12, 2008
4:20 a.m.
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windbourne writes:
Zero chance of being able to seal the border. Heck, even East Germany could not seal its border totally with monster fence and willingness to murder ppl on sight.
Instead, our solution MUST be that we enforce our laws that companies to no longer hire illegals. Assign personal liability for knowingly hiring illegals, provide a mechanism to prove it, and then throw a few CEO and HR ppl in jail for hiring illegals, and it will come to a stretching halt. In addition, start deporting ppl to africa, say ethiopia, rather than sending them into Mexico (mexico will provide a bus ride to the southern border for none mexicans). When illegals realize that if caught they are not likely to make it back to their family, then they will leave.
At that time, only scum like this will be left.
September 12, 2008
4:49 a.m.
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FRN4U writes:
What is the penalty for elected officials when they violate their
oath of office?
September 12, 2008
5:19 a.m.
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PlayFair writes:
FRN4U,
"Penalty"???? Let's see...This same group does not enforce the laws that are already on the books regarding ILLEGALS, how the (bleep) are penalties going to be enforced??? (Although it's a nice idea. The word "impeachment" comes to mind.)
September 12, 2008
5:43 a.m.
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PlayFair writes:
Oh, and Saviandme...You can be a bleeding heart...it's your choice. If you want to give to this charity, feel free to take yourself down to Denver General, sit in the emergency room with your credit card and pay for your buddies. I don't force you to give to my charities, why must I be forced to contribute to yours? Has anyone seen my health insurance bill? Hmmmm. Keeps going up. Wonder why. Bleeding Heart, why not put a sign in your front yard that says "Welcome Illegals". You can take them in, feed them, employ them, give them medical care, an education, let them have their babies on your couch and then pat yourself on the back for being a wonderful human being, all while you don't have a pot to (bleep) in .
Does anyone know where we can go to have our comments heard in a constructive, meaningful manner? Does anyone know who we can email or phone that gives a rat's a$$??? This venue is great for venting, but, as you all know, it's to no avail. Where can our voices be heard? ANYONE????
September 12, 2008
6:11 a.m.
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ksells writes:
Republicans are disgusting. They blame Democrats when Republicans are responsible? In case you brain dead Republicans who seem to have a 6th. grade education, Aurora is not Denver. Aurora doesn't vote Democrat. These illegals weren't arrested in Democrat Denver, but in Republican suburbs. It's the standard system of Republicans to lie, lie, lie. Because the fact is that there isn't any moral footing to hold the part up.
September 12, 2008
6:21 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Mandzoco, thank you for setting Sanviandme straight, not only did TIME magazine this year do a big spread on illegals recieving in-state tuituion to college; but spoke how many Americans , minorities included were being turned away while the illegal was recieving tax money to go to college. Several states shut it down, but only after the practice hit the media. Thier free healthcare is killing hospitals, they have cost our educational systems millions in our state alone at a time when the money is sorely needed for our own citizens. They have accidents everyday leaving many injuried or killed with no financial liabilities. there are many areas they are putting states in extreme economic hardship. It's time to enact stricter penalties like other countries and cities here in America. For instance, if a landlord could lose his property for the property being used illegally to house illegals, much like cars and property are siezed from drug convictions for it's illegal use, where are they going to live. Some countries charge employers 30,000 dollars for every illegal caught in thier employ. I think that's an excellent amount, make it manditory in addition to charging the owner with a felony for each one the second time around getting caught. Since there are nations like Mexico who have hundreds of thousands of illegals already in America, it's time to suspend legal immigration from this nation since thier presence here far exceed immigration quotas. Next, if Latin America with thier great oil wealth keep refusing to help thier people since there is no middle class there, maybe America should suspend NAFTA with them. It's time to force the wealthy in power getting rich in Latin America to take care of thier people and quit exploiting thier own people's poverty. Property confiscation, higher fines on employers, suspending immigration from nations whose illegal in our country exceed our quotas as established by immigration first; if it works to stem illegals from breaking the law and illegally entering our country, then we can talk about amnesty. Like the new law in Denver, the voters hold the keys to government; the tax money being used to send illegals to college over Americans also was voter approved. It's all in the wording as to if it stands up to court challenges. The property confiscation in one small town has held up thus far, you can be held accountable if you allow your property to be used for illegals to live in violation of the law, because your acually aiding and abetting an illegal using the property for that purpose by renting to them. Sad the voters have to pass such draconian laws, or maybe even shut down immigration altogether like Europe, but illegals are costing the taxpayers plenty at a time when America needs to take care of our own people. That's not racist, it good common sense since it affects all Americans regardless of race.
September 12, 2008
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tiero writes:
Our government is totally at fault. The amnesty ken's, tax critter's and the sancutary city mayor of denver should and will be held responsible. They take oaths to protect and defend. What the hell are they defending, it's not the constitution as it appears to me as its the downfall of this county not dealing with the #1 problem in this state of illegal immigration. We the people (legals) of this country have no safety or rights to the infestation of those peasants. The time is long overdue for the people to be heard and strongly corrrect these sanctuary policies whatever it takes. Besides, your tax dollars are funding their presents here and the tax increases to come are to continue supporting them
September 12, 2008
6:33 a.m.
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FRN4U writes:
The richest nation on earth---AMERICA! We the people are
over $10 trillion Federal Reserve Notes (FRN's) in immediate
debt. We are in total debt somewhere in the $70-$100 trillion area FRN's (unfunded mandates--Socialist Security, Medicare, etc.). The Federal Reserve is a private CARTEL. The Federal Reserve is no more Federal than Federal Express. Once an average person understands the basic elements of CENTRAL BANKING, it is easier to understand the larger picture. USA is BANKRUPT! Very few elected POLITICIANS will touch ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION----for obvious reasons. The want to keep their
job---they are afraid of the liberal and socialist billion pound/KILO
gorillas--CENTRAL BANKERS.
It is hard for me to stomach what this country has become. The
10 planks of the Communist Manifesto "translated" is a mirror
of what the USA is today.
Send the bill for what the "illegals" are doing to this country to the
United Nations. You will get the same reply/response/excuse that
you get from your elected "oath taking" pieces of ......, if you get a
reply at all.
September 12, 2008
6:36 a.m.
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ssquared writes:
Ksells -
Keep on playing 'politics' with this issue Ksells. That's exactly the same game politicians, republicans and democrats alike, are playing with us. And it's the same old finger pointing bullsh!t game they play while not a damned thing is accomplished ... and it's the same game they want to 'wrap' you in to distract you from the real issues. It's the same old finger pointing blame game. Did ya' listen to our Governor Ritter this week on the illegals and crime issue. It's all ICE's fault. Finger pointing so typical of ALL politicians.
In case you've been in a coma for the past several years, let me share some information my friend. ALL of the current problems of this country were either created or allowed to happen by BOTH republicans and democrats. The sooner you stop selectively pointing fingers at one or the other, then the better off we all might be. You don't actually believe there's a democrat or a republican who gives a crap about you ... do you?
September 12, 2008
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FRN4U writes:
P.S. Aurora has been designated as a "SANCTUARY CITY" by
the United Nations. The World Bank and the IMF have
"endorsed" the very recent designation!
September 12, 2008
6:40 a.m.
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Sixtysixdeuce writes:
"There was a time that the class of people (their character) is what counted. I am a Hispanic that is ashamed of the class of people that are coming here illegally. I say this because they dont have any class when they outright disregard a nations law and sovereignty to begin with by illegally coming here."
A good point that is not made often enough; Those who come here illegally from South of the border tarnish the image of the entire law-abiding hispanic community.
Because we are human beings, we lack telepathy that would allow us to distinguish between a legal immigrant and an illegal alien who, for all intensive purposes, look the same. Add to that the fact that we know there are hundreds of thousands of illegals here, and they're the faces we keep seeing when crimes are committed more than any other group, and you end up with prejudice toward an entire race.
I would think the hispanic population that is here legally would be just as, if not more, outraged than the rest of us. They're the ones who'll suffer if people ever start taking matters into their own hands regarding this problem, committing hate crimes and otherwise lashing out against a very visible group of people.
I'd like to hear from those bleeding hearts on this point now. Tell me, what is your solution for this, since no matter how you try, you can't stop others from judging and even acting on that judgement.
September 12, 2008
6:44 a.m.
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ssquared writes:
FRN4U -
Check out LewRockwell.com. The $100 trillion national debt.
September 12, 2008
6:44 a.m.
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HumanBeans writes:
Joe Arpiao for President, he's the only person in this country that has the balls to deal with these illegal alien invader's!!!
GO JOE GO! SWEEP SWEEP SWEEP!!!!!!!
September 12, 2008
6:49 a.m.
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FRN4U writes:
ssqured &HumanBeans,
Good posts!
I have been to len rockwell b4--very good! Check out the International Forecaster--Robert Chapman---very worthwhile!
September 12, 2008
6:55 a.m.
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PlayFair writes:
Beans: Joe Who?
Ksells: More finger-pointing-blaming-go-nowhere-waste-of-time-rhetoric. While you're busy pissing and moaning about one party or the other, you're missing the boat. ssqured is way right. Not a party issue. How many more have crossed illegally just during this discussion? How many more American citizens will die at the hands of criminals before something is changed. (Oops, I used the "change" word...shame on me...I'm disgusting.)
September 12, 2008
6:57 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Agzela, the shame isn't on hispanic Americans for the actions of illegals; hispanic Americans are a valuable part of America, thier sons and daughters pay for this nation with thier blood on our battlefields. They live with honor and love this nation, they are not here for the free ride draining our nations valuable resourses like education, healthcare, and other costs associated with the illegals breaking our law and illegally crossing our boarders. My sons, thier wives, and my grandchildren are not at fault for the crimes of the illegals because they are hispanic; keep the blame where it belongs on the illegal, don't make the mistake and shift it upon the backs of American citizens. You or any other hispanic American have no shame, your contribution to America is a great asset to our nation. This nation belongs to all American citizens, all have payed equally for it, all contribute to it's greatness. Illegals regardless of national origin or race are problem for all nations, in Latin America they are immediately deported with no rights whatsoever. Many nations in Europe have suspended all immigration because of thier drain on thier nations. America is the last nation to take action, but it's coming. Soon sanctuary cities and politicians on both sides the aisle will feel the backlash of the voters. Please don't shift the blame onto yourself as a hispanic American for the actions of illegals, Agzela. You've done nothing as a citizen but contribute to our nation's greatness, your people sacrifice on our battlefields, in our nation, upon our legal system, and countless other areas, has made the fabric of our nation much richer in diversity and knowledge. You make America great, because it's your country, and you protect her everyday. I have 2 anglo daughters, 3 hispanic sons, (one was killed on Christmas by a drunk driver), and 4 grandchildren who are total rainbows, as my children took wives of Indian desent and other nationalities. Everyone of them are American, I have been richly blessed by thier love in my heart. They walk without shame everyday they stroll through my heart!
September 12, 2008
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veryable writes:
Mine the border
September 12, 2008
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ksells writes:
For you sixth grade Republicans, it's the Federal government under a Republican president who sets the budget for ICE. And it's low because Republicans want low wages so you can get cheap lawn service, cheap kitchen help, cheap house care, cheap construction work, etc, etc, etc. Why don't you Republicans call ICE when you shop at cheap businesses where the majority of the workers don't know a word of English? You are willing to give up a few dead as long as your Happy Meal doesn't go up by fifty cents.
Another thing is that you must remember that the overwhelming number of Hispanics are very religious and respect the law, whether they are in the US as citizens or illegal. They work very hard, even though they are exploited by righteous Republican employers who don't pay what they should and don't pay taxes that are required. For all of the talk about how illegals cost the government, the fact is that illegals fit in to the Republican sceme. Employer and employee don't pay taxes. Employer passes the cost to the government and legal citizens pay. Republican government doesn't penalize Republican businesses who hire illegals. Which by the way is a crime under existing law. And for those illegals with false ID's, they can't file income tax and get income tax returns so the government gets to keep it.
Really, the issue is that white America is afraid of becoming a minority and the Republicans have always been the party of the wasps. It is the party of fear.
This isn't a posting in anger, it's a posting to call a spade a spade.
September 12, 2008
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FRN4U writes:
not a nickel's worth of difference between 99% of republicans and democrats.
Ask your favorite politician where "we the peoples" money (gold)
is? Fort Knox?
September 12, 2008
7:04 a.m.
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vudumom writes:
This issue is being ignored by BOTH parties. Until there is another national uprising of citizens again, this issue will not be addressed. I don't know a single person who does not think illegal immigration is not a problem. However the polls show it is down the list of issues Americans think are important. Could be the pollsters are not asking the right questions.
It is time once again to bombard lawmaker's from the local to national levels with millions of emails and phone calls to express our desires to see them get off their a$$es and do something. The only thing that scares them is a voter card.
If a state along with federal help can evacuate 2 million people from a hurricane area in a matter of days. Then surely they can deport a coulple million people a year. In 5 years we can deport at least half to most of the estimated 10 to 20 million illegal aliens that are here.
There also needs to be an effort to stop Congress from issueing any new visas until they do something about illegals in this country.
Right now in Congress there is a new effort to start another visa program and Congress wants to add 500,000 more job visas to the already overcrowded and burdened visa program. Currently there are over 50 different types of visas.
American's are losing jobs. They are seeing everything go up in price and watching there wages remain stagnant. Something has to give real soon.
Start calling and emailing right now and do it everyday.
September 12, 2008
7:06 a.m.
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HumanBeans writes:
GOP Platform Reverses Bush Pro-Amnesty Stance
Updated Friday, September 5, 2008, 9:00 AM
Republicans ratified a Party platform this week that reversed the pro-amnesty plank President Bush laid out in the 2004 platform. The platform states that the GOP opposes amnesty, supports border security, and calls for "smarter" interior enforcement against illegal workers and lawbreaking employers alike.
The platform says "smarter" enforcement necessitates the use of E-Verify:
(W)e must empower employers so they can know with confidence that those they hire are permitted to work. That means that the E-Verify system—which is an internet-based system that verifies the employment authorization and identity of employees—must be reauthorized. A phased in requirement that employers use the E-Verify system must be enacted.
Moreover, the platform calls for denial of federal funds to sanctuary cities and denial of Social Security and other public benefits, including driver’s licenses, to illegal aliens except where required under federal law.
Unfortuately, the Party also included language calling for more permanent foreign high-tech workers under the H-1B program. This abused program has displaced domestic high-tech workers and driven down their wages. As such, this part of the Party's plank would hurt, not help, struggling American workers (click here to see current unemployment statistics.)
A platform represents a Party's stances on a range of policy issues, and is normally written to satisfy its base. The Wall Street Journal reports Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), the chairman of the platform drafting committee, as saying the Party had opted for a "smaller, more principled, more forward-looking" platform this year that didn't emphasize its nominee before Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was chosen as its flag bearer.
The platform runs counter to the “comprehensive immigration reform” bill pushed by Sen. McCain last year, although the candidate now says he wants to pursue border security first before legalizing the 10-20 million illegal aliens in this country. Some delegates tried to offer platform language that opposed "amnesty or any kind of comprehensive immigration reform." This amendment was rejected when some members argued it was a slap at Sen. McCain. In the end, Sen. McCain did not initiate a fight over any platform positions that ran contrary to his own beliefs.
The platform marks a dramatic shift from the 2004 platform on immigration. That platform called for amnesty and pushed brining in even more foreign workers under a "temporary" guest-worker program.
September 12, 2008
7:06 a.m.
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PlayFair writes:
ksells: Um...let's see...you write
"---and respect the law, whether they are in the US as citizens or illegal---" Just a wee bit bas-ackwards, dontcha think? "Respect the Law?" "Illegal"? This is exactly why your argument is weak. The first crime has already been committed when your amigos cross the border. Read your Constitution.
Over and out.
September 12, 2008
7:09 a.m.
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HumanBeans writes:
Beans: Joe Who?
Joe Arpiao - America's toughest Sheriff google his name!
September 12, 2008
7:10 a.m.
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ssquared writes:
HumanBeans -
Right the f@%# on!
Sheriff Joe doesn't give a flyin' dump what politicians think. Although there are a bunch of them on his @ss because HE ACTUALLY ENFORCES THE LAW. Politicians don't like it when someone "outside" of their circle actually serves the needs of the citizens
My dream ... a public servant who's actually evolved some ballz.
September 12, 2008
7:12 a.m.
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LingLingfor_prez writes:
I don't even know where to begin or really what to say. I am too angry.
September 12, 2008
7:13 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Ksells, rightious republicans like Mr. Hinkenlooper who employed the illegal in his restaurant that murdered Officer Donny Young? Or maybe the illegal governor Ritter plea bargained down as Denver's DA to an agricultural trespass thus setting him free in America to rape another citizen? Yeah those damn closet republicans saying thier democrats are disgustingly dishonest about thier party affiliations. LOL! It's both sides the aisle pal, both are selling out America on illegal immigration, both partys are equally guilty. Both candidates for president support amnesty for illegals already present, and have said just that; never bothering to consider the thousands more still streaming across our boarders right behind the illegals both want to give amnesty too. I'm tired of politicians both sides the aisle selling America out, while wrapping themselves in our flag!
September 12, 2008
7:20 a.m.
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FRN4U writes:
Who is the mayor of Aurora? Is he/she? hiding in a closet?
September 12, 2008
7:21 a.m.
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hillbillygoth writes:
OK, come pouring out of the woodwork and tell us it could have
been anybody that did this, not just a Latino..WRONG!
Aurora is under seige, as is the whole metro area..prosecute
these scum to the absolute fullest extent of the law, and shoot
to kill as applicable! DEFEND DENVER, DEFEAT LA RAZA!!
September 12, 2008
7:25 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Man, that earthen jug of homemade hooch has surely taken a toll on brain cells! Damn revenooers, granny git yer gun!
September 12, 2008
7:26 a.m.
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mrfxx writes:
diggtbks writes:
"This is another example of the failure of Democratic leadership to keep folks safe."
McCain was supporting Bush's immigration "solution" which included AMNESTY - not much of a shock considering business rules the GOP. Between hiring illegals for what used to well-paying (with benefits) blue collar jobs in this country (fewer than 5% of illegals work in agriculture) and offshoring both blue collar manufacturing jobs as well as white collar jobs including but not limited to IT, accounting and even medical "support jobs" how do you think the CEOs in this country are making 200x-500x the average wage of their employees? The sad fact is they have you conned into believing that you too can be a millionaire. By the way - the last amnesty came under Reagan - and W "invited" illegals into the country to help with the cleanup of Katrina (instead of offering the jobs to the legal workforce) while Arizona, under a Democratic governor passed and enacted legislation to take business licenses away from illegal employers caught hiring illegals TWICE.
"Hickenlooper and Ritter proudly proclaim Denver and much of Colorado a sanctuary for illegal immigrants at the cost of public safety."
Please read the TITLE - this is in Aurora - or does Aurora get a pass because the mayor is GOP?
Outlaw writes: "There are 2 things we need to do to take back our country. We need to SEAL THE BORDER and we need to dry up the jobs. The border needs to be a no man's land DMZ type of operation. However if they do manage to get across, the penalties for hiring them need to be so severe that jobs will just not be available."
Absolutely correct. The EU (which only faces about 500,000 illegals/year) has enacted legislation involving meaningful fines and jail times for CEOs whose companies are caught hiring illegals multiple times. WE CAN DO THAT TOO.
September 12, 2008
7:34 a.m.
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ssquared writes:
Ksells -
" ... the overwhelming majority of Hispanics are very religious and respect the law, whether in the US as citizens or as illegals."
Duh. Hitting the Kool Aid are we Ksells? Read your words and tell me where the lie is in this quote. If you're here illegally, then the very first thing you did to come here was to break the law. So, you're telling us they respect our laws?
I don't believe we're talking about the Hispanic American Citizens who have come here by the rules. We're talking about the scum who's barged into 'our house', uninvited, and has raped, murdered and cost our country dearly in blood and treasure.
September 12, 2008
7:39 a.m.
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denverinfidel writes:
"It is not known how he turned up five months later in connection with a robbery and shooting."
What a pathetic joke. He walked right back across the border. ICE and spineless politicians won't even keep out thugs with 30+ arrests. Start the roundups.
September 12, 2008
7:47 a.m.
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ksells writes:
Louie,
I pretty much have to agree with you about Hip in a way. He didn't hire the guy, but he was the boss. Nor did Qwest's Nachio hire the guy who raped and killed a girl and parallalized a woman on the lawn of a police station.
But the fact is that illegal immegrants come to the US because Republican businesses are there to welcome them with open arms.
Hispanics are decent people and work for their families. That is why they do it. The key word is "work". They aren't here to start a crime wave! And again, I push the Republican button. Why would they be here if Republicans would be willing to pay a wage that citizans would take? Why would Republicans resist paying their fair share for the costs of doing business? Why do Republicans resist the laws that have been passed, primarily by Republicans?
The thing that I can't figure out is why Republicans say liberals have to behave to a different standard then Republicans. Joself Goelbells would be proud of you.
September 12, 2008
7:47 a.m.
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ssquared writes:
hillbillygoth -
I believe perhaps you have a different agenda. Most of us are just looking to get the illegals, illegal criminals for the most part, either under control or out of our country. We're not looking to exterminate the entire Latino population.
Got nukes?
September 12, 2008
8:01 a.m.
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ssquared writes:
Ksells -
Right.
These folks are so badly taken advantage of by American corporations and businesses ... the low wages they make. That's a completely bogus argument when the fact is they almost automatically get a $5 an hour + raise just by working in the US vs Mexico. The Mexican government makes the United States look like choir boys when it comes to taking advantage of and beating down it's citizens.
It's time and, believe me, it's about to change in a very, very ugly way.
September 12, 2008
8:04 a.m.
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Billy writes:
It never ceases to amaze me that when someone of color does something wrong or breaks the law the "white Sheets" come in here and call them derogatory names. "spicet"? C'mon Adolph, surely you can do better than that. There have been just as many "white" folk who have committed this same crime. You don't see anyone coming in here saying things like another "cracker" did it again, or the "Kluxers" are at it again. Show some intelligence people, lay off the name calling. Things are bad enough in this state and country, don't show your stupidity and add to it.
September 12, 2008
8:11 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
Wow, Billy, join the crowd. Who are you calling "white Sheets"?
September 12, 2008
8:16 a.m.
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HumanBeans writes:
MAYOR: IMPOUND INITIATIVE "TOO COSTLY,"
BUT DOCUMENT SHOWS OVER $3 MILLION PROFIT
WHERE DID MAYOR HICKENLOOPER GET STATISTICS HE CITED IN JULY PRESS CONFERENCE?
CompleteColorado.com has obtained an internal document produced by the City of Denver that shows a projected $3 million dollar profit for the Denver vehicle impound lot in calendar year 2009, the first full year of operation under the new "impound" ordinance recently passed by voters. The document stands in sharp contrast to the views of Mayor Hickenlooper at a July 30th press conference in which the Mayor is quoted in a Denver Post article saying that the initiative would "[cost] us a ton of personnel and funding." The article also states that the Mayor said the initiative was an unfunded mandate that would cost the city more than one million dollars annually.
Whether or not the document obtatined by CompleteColorado.com is the same document the Mayor was referencing in his remarks to the press could not be determined by the Mayor's office. However, many numbers specifically cited by Mayor Hickenlooper, closely, if not perfectly, match many of the numbers and assumptions in the spreadsheet.
Click on link to see the spreadsheet!
http://www.completecolorado.com/impou...
September 12, 2008
8:23 a.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
A short synopsis -
1 - The borders MUST be closed
2 - The court & penal system must not be encumbered by overloading with illegal aliens - bullets are cheaper & a better deterent
3 - See #2 when asking the question why aren't those we elect doing anything or better yet why aren't they doing the right thing
4 - See #2 when dealing with those that employ illegal aliens
If these simple suggestions don't work, then go back to what is happening now - nothing...
September 12, 2008
8:24 a.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
And why can't we deal with the problem like that. They're OUR borders. Anyone here illegally is just that; illegal & they have NO rights. We make the rules...
September 12, 2008
8:28 a.m.
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SWAR writes:
Billy,
best response I have read. It is always the race card in all these people hiding behind email names. True stupidity when you have to always blame the race card. ALL race types have their problems. I was raised in Colorado and the hatred you read concerning race is beyond belief. How many people did Adolf put to death?
September 12, 2008
8:34 a.m.
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Billy writes:
Heidi, think about it. Making a point here........duh.
September 12, 2008
8:34 a.m.
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troopermsu writes:
The republicans have been in charge of the Executive Branch since Jan 2001. That is the branch in charge of border security. So let's not make this a paritisan issue. All involved have let us down.
Also, in this case, I don't think tougher employer penalties would have kept this guy out. He is a gang banger. He didn't come here to work.
September 12, 2008
8:41 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
Billy, you are right about some of the posters here, but many people are angered that the illegal criminals keep slipping through the cracks. The majority of the people here are against the illegal aliens, not an entire race. Rojas and Hernandez deserve more than name calling.
September 12, 2008
8:43 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
most all of the posters on here need to review the laws and processes we have for deporting illegal aliens before they start pointing blind fingers at people.
we get it, you don't like the mayor or the Gov.... but they aren't to blame here. I'm sure you will still have a million reasons to hate them and call them whatever silly pet name you may have for them.
please try bring some intelligence to this discussion for once, people.
September 12, 2008
8:49 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
The DenverB,
I am not into name calling, myself, but can understand the anger. Seriously, though, where does the fault lie and what would be a good solution?
September 12, 2008
8:52 a.m.
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toocool writes:
You have seen only the tip of the iceberg with the likes of Rojas and Hernandez. Mexico is 35 miles south of us @ MCB Camp Pendleton. Many of the illegals that they manage to apprehend(less than 1% daily) are nabed just outside of our 1-5 gates!! San Diego County averages 10 police chases each day....some border!!!
September 12, 2008
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mokey writes:
I truly believe that people post angry messages about illegal immigrants -- BTW I'm no fan of them -- because it's such a base issue to crow about.
If the people who complain on this site REALLY cared, then we would be addressing:
1. The federal deficit/National Debt in conjunction with the huge surge (financial obligations) in Medicare and Social Security recipients. Your leaders in Washington are spending money they don't have now and borrowing from China and Japan in the process. If every man, woman and child in America had to pay today for their share of money-printing going on in Washington, the bill would be well over $35,000. Over half of that debt was incurred by the Bush Administration.
2. Every day 80 Americans are killed by gun violence. 8 of them (10%) are children 19 and under. For every gun death, two more are wounded. Gun violence costs the United States $100 billion annually. At $100 per week, we could feed 19.2 million people with that much money every year. Or at $350 per month, we could provide health insurance to 23.8 million Americans each year. So if the statistic is true that illegal aliens kill 12 Americans every day and we further assume that these were all gun deaths (not a good assumption, I admit), then Americans are killing 6.6 Americans for every illegal immigrant-caused death. Lest we forget, Chandler was starved to death by Americans. The little girl shot in the park a few weeks ago was shot by Americans. Timothy McVeigh, an American army veteran, killed 168 Americans (including innocent CHILDREN in a day care) because he had a beef about our foreign policy. In 2006, there were over 12,000 cases of aggravated assault in Colorado. Not all of these were at the hands of illegal aliens. There were 158 murders in Colorado in 2006. Over 2000 instances of forcible rape occurred in that same year.
If I haven't made my point, it is this: we as Colorado citizens are much more violent and ugly to one another than any number of illegal aliens could every be. Facts are Facts. Everything else is lame, ineffectual, jingoistic pandering. And very sad and pathetic as well.
Yet the people on this site put their energy into two losers. Yes we need to something about them, too. However, we have much bigger problems in this country.
September 12, 2008
9:02 a.m.
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gary writes:
mexellent, grandpaw, anderson...
Where are you...come call all of us racist! Tell us the great virture of illegal aliens in our country..
Nuff Said!
September 12, 2008
9:05 a.m.
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DenverTea writes:
Louie too funny! Hooch killing brain cells granny git yer gun - thank you for levity :)
September 12, 2008
9:07 a.m.
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Biff writes:
this is quite simple....if you are an illegal and you get caught, we put a permenent tatoo on their arm that will notify any employeer that they will recieve a stiff penalty if they hire this person should they come back after being deported! To me, these people are the lowest form who deserve to be treated one grade above animals.
September 12, 2008
9:11 a.m.
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DenverTea writes:
Good point Mokey... however, the right to bear arms is an important right to protect. I am mostly a non-violent, give peace a chance kind of gal, but that right should be non-negotiable. Pro-choice and pro-guns - d^mn, I must be some kind of weird, murdering Demo-lib-ublican hybrid lol
September 12, 2008
9:15 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Point your overlooking Billy, America locks up it's citizens for criminal offenses, now your suggesting I lock up the criminals of other countries as well? On whose dime Billy? No country is paying Colorado for the 4000 illegals in our prisons, we are! Christ right of the throne, we could open up hotels for criminals with swimming pools and saunas if other nations payed America for thier citizens in our prisons. Castro unloaded his prison and mental institutions on America with the 1980's boatlift, he wasn't stupid, America was for accepting them. They even took over 3 federal prisons for a month, remember Billy? No pal, Latin America is shoving thier own inability to help thier people by pushing thier problem down America's throat; but that big time oil revenues they are making isn't seeing thier people, only the rich who keep them oppressed in poverty are making the bucks off thier country's resourses. Enough, we have more than paid Latin America's bill for failing to help thier people become middle class citizens of thier nation, they can spend that oil revenue on thier very own people. Or they can do like Venezula and invite the Russian bombers to back up thier government as they just did, like Cuba once did, and we can keep having truck innertubes, barrel rafts, and illegals washing up on our shores, and swamping our justice systems, education systems, healthcare systems, our insurance premiums as drivers, etc.; what's it going to be Billy? We pay for thier citizens as well as thier criminals, or they pay for thier own? Oil's over 100 dollars a barrel, I think it's thier turn to be responsible Billy, at least for thier own citizens, don't you think? NAFTA needs to be repealed unless Latin America starts recognizing thier responsibility to thier citizens!
September 12, 2008
9:19 a.m.
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coloradohunter1 writes:
I find it interesting that people keep referring to Republican businesses wanting cheap labor. Is it because all business owners become Republicans when they find out how much liberal Democrat policies and programs wind up costing them?
September 12, 2008
9:20 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
Mokey,
Many of the posters here also respond to the articles related to the crimes of the legal citizens and express their anger and frustration on those strings as well. But this article is about the crimes of illegal aliens.
You said "we as Colorado citizens are much more violent and ugly to one another than any number of illegal aliens could every be."
If you look at the ratio of citizens to illegal aliens, and compare the crimes committed, you will see that your statement above is not true. I agree that there are many other serious problems in our country, but to me, this is one of the most serious.
September 12, 2008
9:24 a.m.
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DenverTea writes:
Biff, that is really too lame to respond to, but I am going to because I am a pushover for anyone who cries out to me "bash me over the head with a pitchfork please" as you have done. 1 you must really have no self esteem, to compare other people to one step above animals. 2. If you are going to target a group to say they are one step above animals, look at corporate wealth tyrants who make others into sweatshop slaves just to keep them in the green. 3. Have you read 1984? Have you read anything about the early stages of Nazi Germany? Go, read.
September 12, 2008
9:24 a.m.
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wyhammertime writes:
I think Mexico is laughfing their eye's out at the U.S. it shows how big of a pack of idiot's the goverment is nothing but a bunch of pocket liner's !! WE give them money for fixing their goverment and let them in here illegalily and let them reak havoc on our way of life !! If they grant them amnesty I will send them a bill for a refund of all the fee's I've paid I think goverment ought to take some of the hard working taxpayer's money and buy themselves a SPINE !!! But it looks like they are trying to start a war among us here,With all this that they are letting happen with illegal immegration ya think ????
September 12, 2008
9:25 a.m.
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Squatch writes:
So he got deported in April and got back in this country. Why didnt he get caught coming back across? I thought we had tightened security down there months ago to prevent this from happening.
This guy will now sit in an American prison and just continue his gang activity in there.
September 12, 2008
9:31 a.m.
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Brain writes:
This guy isn't here for any job, he is here to commit crimes. He needs to be locked-up for a very long time and if still alive when released he should be deported again.
Personally I wished this guy could be put out of his and our misery before he does kill someone; unfortunately that won't happen.
This is a good reason to have better border security and better self defenses individually; I will be purchasing another gun this week-end!
September 12, 2008
9:35 a.m.
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questioning writes:
A few things to ponder....
How is building a barricade between two countries considered raci