Another illegal immigrant case rocks Aurora

By April M. Washington, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published September 11, 2008 at 7:12 p.m.

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September 11, 2008

7:47 p.m.

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mmannino writes:

The Democrats, some open borders Republicans, and a host of other groups (greens, La Raza, ...) are trying to stop border enforcement and wall construction. ICE is captive to the political process. The Bush administration has relunctantly done much more enforcement in the last 2 years including trying to build the wall. If the chosen one is elected, the wall will not be finished.
September 11, 2008

7:51 p.m.

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Outlaw writes:

The illegals are invading our country. There are 2 things we need to do to take back our country. We need to SEAL THE BORDER and we need to dry up the jobs. The border needs to be a no man's land DMZ type of operation. However if they do manage to get across, the penalties for hiring them need to be so severe that jobs will just not be available. Right now, the reward is so much greater than the risk, that they just come back, even if deported. And there is always someone who will hire them, because again the risk is so low and the reward so great that employers don't care if they get caught with a couple of illegals on the payroll.
September 11, 2008

7:51 p.m.

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diggtbks writes:

This is another example of the failure of Democratic leadership to keep folks safe. People need to look at the leadership in sanctuary cities across America their elected officials are in the Democratic Party. The taxpaying public's safety is secondary to the rights of illegal immigrants and gangsters.

This policy will carry forward onto the national level if the Dems get into the White House.

Hickenlooper and Ritter proudly proclaim Denver and much of Colorado a sanctuary for illegal immigrants at the cost of public safety.

Its obvious the public's safety is up to themselves, learn how to protect yourselves.
September 11, 2008

7:54 p.m.

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The_Punnisher writes:

Time to get descriptions RIGHT, Rocky JOURNALISTS ( you haven't had a REPORTER in years ).

The proper description is ILLEGAL ALIEN as described in the US CODE.

Time to face REALITY and not an AP style sheet.

The public is getting fed up with M$M. That just might explain the decline in subscriptions....
September 11, 2008

8:01 p.m.

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happymike44 writes:

These guys deserve to be deported and never allowed back in the U.S.
We need to start arresting and detaining coyotes who smuggle people into the u.s.
The other thing we need to do is stop funding the food stamps and the medical and housing allowance for illegals.
We also need to terminate the people who allow these people onto the system to defraud the american taxpayer.
I feel if the illegals had to feed themselves and are not given funding the reason for their being here will cease.
September 11, 2008

8:19 p.m.

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September 11, 2008

8:21 p.m.

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18Zwife writes:

Are we kidding… thirty felony and misdemeanor arrests? What in the world is it going to take before we law abiding citizens say ENOUGH! A thirty cent bullet would take care of this illegal alien POS real quick.
September 11, 2008

8:22 p.m.

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redwhiteandBLUE writes:

These dudes are really OUT OF CONTROL! Start deporting!
Unless the border is tightly sealed..they and others will return in 3 days! Cat & mouse game.
September 11, 2008

8:39 p.m.

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18Zwife writes:

redwhiteandBLUE: The POS WAS deported already. Apparently that doesn’t work. He’s 19 and has thirty felony and misdemeanor charges already. And that’s mostly in one county! Can we just off him now before he offs one of us?
September 11, 2008

8:50 p.m.

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BacklashSchitzka writes:

Geez, 18Zwife - I was saying, essentially, the same thing in a post to one of the previous stories on the Hernandez "POS". Some clown named James complained on me and they deleted my comment. I think it is time to see how to go about joining the Minutemen of Colorado...see ya there!
September 11, 2008

8:59 p.m.

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PlayFair writes:

WHAT THE????????????? ENOUGH IS E-FREAKING-NUFF!!!

Tell me the story again, Grandpa, about how you busted your a$$, got to Ellis Island, learned to speak English, became an American citizen with pride, swore to uphold the Constitution---Tell me that story again. And tell me now, just how cheap your citizenship has become.

SHUT THE FREAKING BORDERS! FINE THE SNOT OUT OF THE EMPLOYERS WHO USE SLAVE LABOR TO INCREASE THEIR PROFITS! STOP FLYING ANY OTHER FLAG ABOVE MY FLAG! STOP ASKING ME TO PRESS 1 FOR ENGLISH! STOP PUTTING FOREIGN LANGUAGES ON AMERICAN PRODUCTS! STOP HAVING BI-LINGUAL BUSINESSES, SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, COURTS, UTILITY BILLS!!! STOP CATORING! STOP BEING AFRAID TO TAKE A COUNTRY BACK FOR WHICH AMERICANS SPILLED (AND CONTINUE TO SPILL) THEIR RED BLOOD!!! IT'S 9-11 FOR C'S SAKE!

If the border was in the backyard of spineless-Ritter or jello-guts Hickenwhatever, something tells me there'd be a few less ILLEGAL (I-L-L-E-G-A-L) aliens on our streets! God forbid something should happen to one of their family members! STOP WASTING TIME POINTING YOUR FINGERS AT ANYONE BUT YOURSELVES AND FREAKING DO SOMETHING!!! BE MEN! BE AMERICAN MEN AND DO THE RIGHT THING!!! How the hell do you sleep at night?????
September 11, 2008

9:01 p.m.

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Justin_Credible writes:

Report and Deport
September 11, 2008

9:03 p.m.

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NeilT writes:

Agreed

It's time...
September 11, 2008

9:09 p.m.

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NeilT writes:

This is not a partisan issue, you idiots!

It's We the People vs. our do nothing government and the invaders both sides of the aisle love.

Wake up!

It's time...
September 11, 2008

9:14 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

With former mayor Pena supporting amnesty and showing up at the rally supporting illegals, with mayor Hinckenlooper's restaurants hiring illegals that murder police officers, with a Denver city council that refuses to protect our citizens, with a governor who used to plea bargain the illegals criminal cases and set them free to go on to commit greater crimes like rape, good luck trying to stop the illegals who are criminals. If the politicians support them, employ them, refuse to protect the citizens, set them free to reoffend, it looks to be a losing battle. I don't see an end to the problem anytime soon folks, they've even flooded our state prisons with 4000 illegals, our schools are spending millions to educate in 2 languages, most of the lower paying jobs are going to illegals instead of our children or our poor, I'd say they just about own Colorado; except for the high paying white collar jobs held predomonately by anglos, the rest of Colorado from construction to fast food belongs to the illegal for the taking. In many ways illegal immigration is hurting the people who can least afford it, America's minority community. Seems my people favor the illegal and thier cheap labor, over thier fellow Americans, just like Hickenlooper and Ritter. Anglos also weather recessions better than the minority community. It's not right, but with many minorities dropping out of school, those jobs are very much going to be in demand, and with the illegals taking them, these jobs will be hard to come by in America for Americans. I think America takes care of Americans first, especially our minority communities where education is sometimes not equal to the majority. Almost a 50% drop out rate amongst hispanic Americans alone, now you give the jobs that belong to them in construction and other areas to illegals because thier labor is cheaper? Before I'm accused of being racist, consider what I'm saying when I say I want to protect the jobs of all Americans including the minority community. My people need to step up to the plate and protect those of all races who are less affluent and thier own fellow countrymen first. No amnesty, no more illegals, we take care of our own people first, both with education as well as job security. When the American economy goes south, minorities are the hardest hit with unemployment. They deserve better, they desrve a decent wage and a future for thier families, not someone who breaks or laws and illegally seeks to undermine our own citizens economic future. Maybe I'm wrong, but I want all Americans to have a piece of the pie first, especially when this economy dumps. I've seen many things in my many years, I want America to take care of thier citizens first, regardless of race. I don't want my tax money spent on the higher education of an illegal if there is one American regardless of race being turned away.
September 11, 2008

9:14 p.m.

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NeilT writes:

Justin,

These a-holes have been deported. They just come back. If they get caught again, we pay an insane amount of money to house them in better conditions than where they came from.

Crazy!
September 11, 2008

9:21 p.m.

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Sundog writes:

Four words: Tip of the iceberg.
September 11, 2008

9:21 p.m.

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truth2u writes:

We can start holding our political leaders responsible. Why isn't Dianne Degette taking this issue up in Congress?...oh wait I forgot she is a bleeding heart liberal.
September 11, 2008

9:27 p.m.

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SierraStorm writes:

Your just blowing wind! I hear so much rhetoric on the demcrappers and repelicans not doing what they should do. You are correct because you people are those democrappers, and repelicans, greenies...... that either support the carnage of illegal immigrant peasants/gangsters or you do nothing but write protesting blogs and perhaps make self serving comments on Peter Boyles show. Some of us have worked our hind ends off by monitoring the border, attending rally's, and contacting our state and U.S. representatives. Many democrappers/repelicans aren't even aware there is a problem until; like the survivors of victims are affected in a very unkind way. Until every, or the majority of Americans stand up and shout like the illegals did in their national protest marches, the coward, vote seeking politician's will do nothing. You have to rock the boat, be very verbal to everybody that you talk to outside of your circle of likewise thinking friends/acquaintances, and key board patriots.
THIS IS AN EXTREMELY SERIOUS ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN IGNORED FOR TOO MANY YEARS. ALL OF YOU HAVE TO STAND UP AND SHOUT YOUR DISCONTENT NOW!
Go here for an education: www.sovereigntycolorado.com
September 11, 2008

9:27 p.m.

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denverrma writes:

Jezzzz! If I could somehow slip into England, France, Germany and most other countries around the World undetected, Id last a few weeks before I were scooped up and deported! Why is an issue in this country! Come here legally and get a job or stay out! Im all for LEGAL immigration however. And of course keeping illegals out is the job of the Feds....SO GET IT TOGETHER AND DO YOUR JOB!
September 11, 2008

9:30 p.m.

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PlayFair writes:

ssqured,

Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border.

Send the dirt to New Orleans to raise the level of the levies.

Put the Florida alligators in the moat along the Mexican border.

(Who needs a city council when there's brainstorming like this?)
September 11, 2008

9:30 p.m.

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Sixtysixdeuce writes:

I've said it before, and I'm beginning to believe it may be the only practical solution.

Once caught, brand an illegal on the forehead and send it home. Make it open season on anyone found in this country with that brand.

Do that, and the ones who are here will be angels. The ones who are sent home won't come back.
September 11, 2008

9:48 p.m.

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bluespanail writes:

again, first time accross and caught send them back, second time accross shoot them for invading the United states.
September 11, 2008

9:48 p.m.

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saviandme writes:

The comments here are so disgusting... You are talking about human beings... yes, I am a flippin bleeding hear liberal... And I beleive that the whoever wins the election will do the right thing for this country. enough on that issue.
but to happymike44, what a joke. Do you know that there are NO publicly funded programs that help illegals... They don't get OUR tax dollars for those programs... Do your homework...
September 11, 2008

9:51 p.m.

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18Zwife writes:

You know, whenever I hear a pandering to La Raza politician (McCain/Obama most recently— this very evening to be exact) say that we must bring the POS illegal aliens “out of the shadows” and give them amnesty, I’m reminded of the POS illegal aliens marching in our streets and with one hand waving the Mexican flag and with the other hand giving law abiding U.S. citizens the literal middle finger.

No more whining. We have got to get off of our collective butts and take back our streets.
September 11, 2008

9:59 p.m.

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18Zwife writes:

Saviandme:

We’re disgusting? Listen up cupcake, those illegal alien “human beings” you refer to have NO regard for other “human beings”. The law means NOTHING to them. The fact that they’re illegal aliens should be your first clue. It could be YOU next. They don’t care.
September 11, 2008

10:06 p.m.

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MileHighPatriot writes:

"The question posed to ICE should be why isn't more being done to shut down the porous border?" says a police spokesman.

It's the same thing I've been saying for a while. The key is the border, and every illegal has a key.

saviandme,

you hit the nail on the head... not only are you a bleeding heart, but an idiot as well. I wouldn't call you one if you weren't so. Of course it's wrong to wish death on every illegal out here. Of course not all are as bad as Hipolito. But the problem is that there is no screening system to keep the bad out when you cross illegally! Get that through you skull. Of course you won't reply to me because there is no defense our counter to this argument. You are wrong... so go eat your cookie and dip it in some milk.

Also.. no program that benefits illegals? How bout our education system? I know teachers RIGHT NOW that have illegals (children and whose parents are illegals as well) in their class rooms... how bout the emergency room? How about getting arrested and our department of corrections. YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH AND THINK FOR ONCE.
September 11, 2008

10:11 p.m.

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mandzoco writes:

"saviandme writes: . . .Do you know that there are NO publicly funded programs that help illegals... They don't get OUR tax dollars for those programs... Do your homework..."

I HAVE, YOU NEED TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK or go get in line with your buddies at the local assistance office and tell them the tide is turning!!

Here is a small example of PUBLICLY FUNDED PROGRAMS TO HELP ILLEGAL / UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS . . . . Several states -- Texas, California, New York, Utah, Illinois, Washington, Nebraska, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Kansas -- have passed state laws providing in-state tuition benefits to illegal aliens who have attended high school in the state for three or more years. Similar legislation is pending in Florida, Hawaii, Maryland (legislation passed, but awaiting governor's signature), Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia. (Connecticut and Wisconsin also passed such a law, but their governors vetoed it. Thanks to those governors!) The Nevada system of higher education does not consider immigration status for in-state tuition, but does require it for a state-sponsored scholarship. Also, some schools in Georgia provide in-state tuition benefits to illegal aliens. The Texas law also allows illegal aliens to receive state student financial aid.

And all of these programs are supported by who, the U.S. TAXPAYER!!
September 11, 2008

10:25 p.m.

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Uno writes:

Remember Tom Tancredo? The “racist bigot” who was named one of Rolling Stone's 10 worst congressmen? The most hated guy by Hickenlooper, DeGette and the left in general? The guy who's comments where taken out of context by the media and people where too lazy to find out the truth about? So, if we let guys like Tom to get stomped on, elect the Ritters and Hickenloopers into office, than why all the fuss about illegal aliens killing and maiming? The people got what they wanted.
September 11, 2008

10:36 p.m.

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bluespanail writes:

again, first time accross and caught send them back, second time accross shoot them for invading the United states.
September 11, 2008

10:41 p.m.

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Videobarbs writes:

One of these day a majority of legal Americans are going to wake-up and realize that the country they love, pay for with their hard earned honest money in taxes, are law abiding is no longer their country.
We have been sold-out to the lowest bidder. I laugh at these political campaigns anymore - flapping lips and once they're in office they follow the multi-national's direction and not the citizens who supposed elected them.
Of course, neither 2000 or 2004 were honest elections anyway.
What a sad ending (sob) to our beautiful nation.
September 11, 2008

10:44 p.m.

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September 11, 2008

11:15 p.m.

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watcher1 writes:

Glad I don't live the Denver area.
September 11, 2008

11:36 p.m.

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agzela writes:

There was a time that the class of people (their character) is what counted. I am a Hispanic that is ashamed of the class of people that are coming here illegally. I say this because they dont have any class when they outright disregard a nations law and sovereignty to begin with by illegally coming here. This applies to all of them! I am refusing to pay any further TAXES this is where "we the people" will have the power to change it all.
September 11, 2008

11:45 p.m.

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carryBIGstick writes:

To All,
No matter what is said here and no matter how many of these cases happen, nothing will change and this is why.
1. Neither party will make the stand on this issue because they are afraid they will lose votes. Sadly, those of us who want this to stop are in the minority.
2. Most people of latino desent view this as an attack on their culture. Right or wrong, this is the perception they have. Any talk of strict enforcement on the US/Mexico border is in thier view racist.
3. The mexican people in search of a better life will cross that border and get through even if the penality for crossing was death. Also, many of employers are willing to take the chance and hire them.
Look, I'm on the side of border security and enforcement. But I also understand the reality in which we live. No matter if it's McCain or Jesus Obama as president. Niether person will want to change the current situation.
Sorry for the dose of reality.
September 12, 2008

12:08 a.m.

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kevin3 writes:

We need to figure out a better way to keep the massive amounts of illegals from slipping through our borders than building a costly fence. We need to get Mexico to guard the border for us! The plan would be to bill Mexico for every resource (hospital care, welfare care, deportation costs, law enforcement costs...etc.) any illegal has cost our taxpayers! If Mexico does not pay it's bills for what it's illegal's has cost our country, hit Mexico where it hurts, start ending trade with Mexico!
September 12, 2008

12:18 a.m.

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GlacierDragon writes:

Why stop with a moat. It'd be pretty convenient to have a shipping lane right there...
Call it the Texizona Canal or something like that. ;)
September 12, 2008

12:43 a.m.

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bph writes:

How about a Burning River of Gas
September 12, 2008

3:01 a.m.

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RealTexan writes:

Do you realize that earlier this year, census figures for the Denver metro area shows now "fully 51% of the population is now hispanic". Does not surprise me one bit, I used to reside in Denver. My question is how you believe that politicians can lose "votes"..... the ones that are 'illeagles' do NOT vote, they could care less of the politics. They are much more focused on the mundane issues, money. However the sysytem is so badly mismanaged that deportation does not deter them from returning. The chances of the undesirables being involved is pretty high here too. Yes, it is time. I believe that the rules need to be re-written, to the extent that penalties for this action is steep. VERY STEEP.
September 12, 2008

3:49 a.m.

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roger44 writes:

House speaker Andrew Romanoff has great visions for education in Colorado, yet we are spending a pile of money to teach English to kids of illegals.
We marked a sad day in history yesterday, 3,000 people killed by radicals in airplanes. yet, if you could count the number of citizens that have been victims of the invasion from the south, you can bet it would be ten times that number, at least, yet, our so called leaders sit on their butts.
here's a vision for you Andrew, make drunk driving a felony, first offense minimum 6 months, $3,000 fine. Driving without a license or insurance, confiscate vehicle, (gee, enforce the law we now have, priceless) fine heck out of them. Stop slapping these people and knock them down, they'll remember that. employers hiring illegals, $5,000 each offense. make it hurt. Do something before more citizens make the headlines of being a victim of the do nothing government failures. how many have to be victims before the so called leaders in this state and country get the message?
September 12, 2008

4:20 a.m.

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windbourne writes:

Zero chance of being able to seal the border. Heck, even East Germany could not seal its border totally with monster fence and willingness to murder ppl on sight.
Instead, our solution MUST be that we enforce our laws that companies to no longer hire illegals. Assign personal liability for knowingly hiring illegals, provide a mechanism to prove it, and then throw a few CEO and HR ppl in jail for hiring illegals, and it will come to a stretching halt. In addition, start deporting ppl to africa, say ethiopia, rather than sending them into Mexico (mexico will provide a bus ride to the southern border for none mexicans). When illegals realize that if caught they are not likely to make it back to their family, then they will leave.
At that time, only scum like this will be left.
September 12, 2008

5:19 a.m.

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PlayFair writes:

FRN4U,

"Penalty"???? Let's see...This same group does not enforce the laws that are already on the books regarding ILLEGALS, how the (bleep) are penalties going to be enforced??? (Although it's a nice idea. The word "impeachment" comes to mind.)
September 12, 2008

5:43 a.m.

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PlayFair writes:

Oh, and Saviandme...You can be a bleeding heart...it's your choice. If you want to give to this charity, feel free to take yourself down to Denver General, sit in the emergency room with your credit card and pay for your buddies. I don't force you to give to my charities, why must I be forced to contribute to yours? Has anyone seen my health insurance bill? Hmmmm. Keeps going up. Wonder why. Bleeding Heart, why not put a sign in your front yard that says "Welcome Illegals". You can take them in, feed them, employ them, give them medical care, an education, let them have their babies on your couch and then pat yourself on the back for being a wonderful human being, all while you don't have a pot to (bleep) in .

Does anyone know where we can go to have our comments heard in a constructive, meaningful manner? Does anyone know who we can email or phone that gives a rat's a$$??? This venue is great for venting, but, as you all know, it's to no avail. Where can our voices be heard? ANYONE????
September 12, 2008

6:11 a.m.

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ksells writes:

Republicans are disgusting. They blame Democrats when Republicans are responsible? In case you brain dead Republicans who seem to have a 6th. grade education, Aurora is not Denver. Aurora doesn't vote Democrat. These illegals weren't arrested in Democrat Denver, but in Republican suburbs. It's the standard system of Republicans to lie, lie, lie. Because the fact is that there isn't any moral footing to hold the part up.
September 12, 2008

6:21 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Mandzoco, thank you for setting Sanviandme straight, not only did TIME magazine this year do a big spread on illegals recieving in-state tuituion to college; but spoke how many Americans , minorities included were being turned away while the illegal was recieving tax money to go to college. Several states shut it down, but only after the practice hit the media. Thier free healthcare is killing hospitals, they have cost our educational systems millions in our state alone at a time when the money is sorely needed for our own citizens. They have accidents everyday leaving many injuried or killed with no financial liabilities. there are many areas they are putting states in extreme economic hardship. It's time to enact stricter penalties like other countries and cities here in America. For instance, if a landlord could lose his property for the property being used illegally to house illegals, much like cars and property are siezed from drug convictions for it's illegal use, where are they going to live. Some countries charge employers 30,000 dollars for every illegal caught in thier employ. I think that's an excellent amount, make it manditory in addition to charging the owner with a felony for each one the second time around getting caught. Since there are nations like Mexico who have hundreds of thousands of illegals already in America, it's time to suspend legal immigration from this nation since thier presence here far exceed immigration quotas. Next, if Latin America with thier great oil wealth keep refusing to help thier people since there is no middle class there, maybe America should suspend NAFTA with them. It's time to force the wealthy in power getting rich in Latin America to take care of thier people and quit exploiting thier own people's poverty. Property confiscation, higher fines on employers, suspending immigration from nations whose illegal in our country exceed our quotas as established by immigration first; if it works to stem illegals from breaking the law and illegally entering our country, then we can talk about amnesty. Like the new law in Denver, the voters hold the keys to government; the tax money being used to send illegals to college over Americans also was voter approved. It's all in the wording as to if it stands up to court challenges. The property confiscation in one small town has held up thus far, you can be held accountable if you allow your property to be used for illegals to live in violation of the law, because your acually aiding and abetting an illegal using the property for that purpose by renting to them. Sad the voters have to pass such draconian laws, or maybe even shut down immigration altogether like Europe, but illegals are costing the taxpayers plenty at a time when America needs to take care of our own people. That's not racist, it good common sense since it affects all Americans regardless of race.
September 12, 2008

6:24 a.m.

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SanctuaryCity writes:

Our government is totally at fault. The amnesty ken's, tax critter's and the sancutary city mayor of denver should and will be held responsible. They take oaths to protect and defend. What the hell are they defending, it's not the constitution as it appears to me as its the downfall of this county not dealing with the #1 problem in this state of illegal immigration. We the people (legals) of this country have no safety or rights to the infestation of those peasants. The time is long overdue for the people to be heard and strongly corrrect these sanctuary policies whatever it takes. Besides, your tax dollars are funding their presents here and the tax increases to come are to continue supporting them
September 12, 2008

6:40 a.m.

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Sixtysixdeuce writes:

"There was a time that the class of people (their character) is what counted. I am a Hispanic that is ashamed of the class of people that are coming here illegally. I say this because they dont have any class when they outright disregard a nations law and sovereignty to begin with by illegally coming here."

A good point that is not made often enough; Those who come here illegally from South of the border tarnish the image of the entire law-abiding hispanic community.

Because we are human beings, we lack telepathy that would allow us to distinguish between a legal immigrant and an illegal alien who, for all intensive purposes, look the same. Add to that the fact that we know there are hundreds of thousands of illegals here, and they're the faces we keep seeing when crimes are committed more than any other group, and you end up with prejudice toward an entire race.

I would think the hispanic population that is here legally would be just as, if not more, outraged than the rest of us. They're the ones who'll suffer if people ever start taking matters into their own hands regarding this problem, committing hate crimes and otherwise lashing out against a very visible group of people.

I'd like to hear from those bleeding hearts on this point now. Tell me, what is your solution for this, since no matter how you try, you can't stop others from judging and even acting on that judgement.
September 12, 2008

6:44 a.m.

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HumanBeans writes:

Joe Arpiao for President, he's the only person in this country that has the balls to deal with these illegal alien invader's!!!

GO JOE GO! SWEEP SWEEP SWEEP!!!!!!!
September 12, 2008

6:55 a.m.

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PlayFair writes:

Beans: Joe Who?

Ksells: More finger-pointing-blaming-go-nowhere-waste-of-time-rhetoric. While you're busy pissing and moaning about one party or the other, you're missing the boat. ssqured is way right. Not a party issue. How many more have crossed illegally just during this discussion? How many more American citizens will die at the hands of criminals before something is changed. (Oops, I used the "change" word...shame on me...I'm disgusting.)
September 12, 2008

6:57 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Agzela, the shame isn't on hispanic Americans for the actions of illegals; hispanic Americans are a valuable part of America, thier sons and daughters pay for this nation with thier blood on our battlefields. They live with honor and love this nation, they are not here for the free ride draining our nations valuable resourses like education, healthcare, and other costs associated with the illegals breaking our law and illegally crossing our boarders. My sons, thier wives, and my grandchildren are not at fault for the crimes of the illegals because they are hispanic; keep the blame where it belongs on the illegal, don't make the mistake and shift it upon the backs of American citizens. You or any other hispanic American have no shame, your contribution to America is a great asset to our nation. This nation belongs to all American citizens, all have payed equally for it, all contribute to it's greatness. Illegals regardless of national origin or race are problem for all nations, in Latin America they are immediately deported with no rights whatsoever. Many nations in Europe have suspended all immigration because of thier drain on thier nations. America is the last nation to take action, but it's coming. Soon sanctuary cities and politicians on both sides the aisle will feel the backlash of the voters. Please don't shift the blame onto yourself as a hispanic American for the actions of illegals, Agzela. You've done nothing as a citizen but contribute to our nation's greatness, your people sacrifice on our battlefields, in our nation, upon our legal system, and countless other areas, has made the fabric of our nation much richer in diversity and knowledge. You make America great, because it's your country, and you protect her everyday. I have 2 anglo daughters, 3 hispanic sons, (one was killed on Christmas by a drunk driver), and 4 grandchildren who are total rainbows, as my children took wives of Indian desent and other nationalities. Everyone of them are American, I have been richly blessed by thier love in my heart. They walk without shame everyday they stroll through my heart!
September 12, 2008

7 a.m.

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veryable writes:

Mine the border
September 12, 2008

7 a.m.

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ksells writes:

For you sixth grade Republicans, it's the Federal government under a Republican president who sets the budget for ICE. And it's low because Republicans want low wages so you can get cheap lawn service, cheap kitchen help, cheap house care, cheap construction work, etc, etc, etc. Why don't you Republicans call ICE when you shop at cheap businesses where the majority of the workers don't know a word of English? You are willing to give up a few dead as long as your Happy Meal doesn't go up by fifty cents.

Another thing is that you must remember that the overwhelming number of Hispanics are very religious and respect the law, whether they are in the US as citizens or illegal. They work very hard, even though they are exploited by righteous Republican employers who don't pay what they should and don't pay taxes that are required. For all of the talk about how illegals cost the government, the fact is that illegals fit in to the Republican sceme. Employer and employee don't pay taxes. Employer passes the cost to the government and legal citizens pay. Republican government doesn't penalize Republican businesses who hire illegals. Which by the way is a crime under existing law. And for those illegals with false ID's, they can't file income tax and get income tax returns so the government gets to keep it.

Really, the issue is that white America is afraid of becoming a minority and the Republicans have always been the party of the wasps. It is the party of fear.

This isn't a posting in anger, it's a posting to call a spade a spade.
September 12, 2008

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vudumom writes:

This issue is being ignored by BOTH parties. Until there is another national uprising of citizens again, this issue will not be addressed. I don't know a single person who does not think illegal immigration is not a problem. However the polls show it is down the list of issues Americans think are important. Could be the pollsters are not asking the right questions.
It is time once again to bombard lawmaker's from the local to national levels with millions of emails and phone calls to express our desires to see them get off their a$$es and do something. The only thing that scares them is a voter card.

If a state along with federal help can evacuate 2 million people from a hurricane area in a matter of days. Then surely they can deport a coulple million people a year. In 5 years we can deport at least half to most of the estimated 10 to 20 million illegal aliens that are here.

There also needs to be an effort to stop Congress from issueing any new visas until they do something about illegals in this country.
Right now in Congress there is a new effort to start another visa program and Congress wants to add 500,000 more job visas to the already overcrowded and burdened visa program. Currently there are over 50 different types of visas.

American's are losing jobs. They are seeing everything go up in price and watching there wages remain stagnant. Something has to give real soon.

Start calling and emailing right now and do it everyday.
September 12, 2008

7:06 a.m.

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HumanBeans writes:

GOP Platform Reverses Bush Pro-Amnesty Stance

Updated Friday, September 5, 2008, 9:00 AM

Republicans ratified a Party platform this week that reversed the pro-amnesty plank President Bush laid out in the 2004 platform. The platform states that the GOP opposes amnesty, supports border security, and calls for "smarter" interior enforcement against illegal workers and lawbreaking employers alike.

The platform says "smarter" enforcement necessitates the use of E-Verify:

(W)e must empower employers so they can know with confidence that those they hire are permitted to work. That means that the E-Verify system—which is an internet-based system that verifies the employment authorization and identity of employees—must be reauthorized. A phased in requirement that employers use the E-Verify system must be enacted.

Moreover, the platform calls for denial of federal funds to sanctuary cities and denial of Social Security and other public benefits, including driver’s licenses, to illegal aliens except where required under federal law.

Unfortuately, the Party also included language calling for more permanent foreign high-tech workers under the H-1B program. This abused program has displaced domestic high-tech workers and driven down their wages. As such, this part of the Party's plank would hurt, not help, struggling American workers (click here to see current unemployment statistics.)

A platform represents a Party's stances on a range of policy issues, and is normally written to satisfy its base. The Wall Street Journal reports Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), the chairman of the platform drafting committee, as saying the Party had opted for a "smaller, more principled, more forward-looking" platform this year that didn't emphasize its nominee before Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was chosen as its flag bearer.
The platform runs counter to the “comprehensive immigration reform” bill pushed by Sen. McCain last year, although the candidate now says he wants to pursue border security first before legalizing the 10-20 million illegal aliens in this country. Some delegates tried to offer platform language that opposed "amnesty or any kind of comprehensive immigration reform." This amendment was rejected when some members argued it was a slap at Sen. McCain. In the end, Sen. McCain did not initiate a fight over any platform positions that ran contrary to his own beliefs.
The platform marks a dramatic shift from the 2004 platform on immigration. That platform called for amnesty and pushed brining in even more foreign workers under a "temporary" guest-worker program.
September 12, 2008

7:06 a.m.

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PlayFair writes:

ksells: Um...let's see...you write
"---and respect the law, whether they are in the US as citizens or illegal---" Just a wee bit bas-ackwards, dontcha think? "Respect the Law?" "Illegal"? This is exactly why your argument is weak. The first crime has already been committed when your amigos cross the border. Read your Constitution.

Over and out.
September 12, 2008

7:09 a.m.

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HumanBeans writes:

Beans: Joe Who?

Joe Arpiao - America's toughest Sheriff google his name!
September 12, 2008

7:12 a.m.

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LingLingfor_prez writes:

I don't even know where to begin or really what to say. I am too angry.
September 12, 2008

7:13 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Ksells, rightious republicans like Mr. Hinkenlooper who employed the illegal in his restaurant that murdered Officer Donny Young? Or maybe the illegal governor Ritter plea bargained down as Denver's DA to an agricultural trespass thus setting him free in America to rape another citizen? Yeah those damn closet republicans saying thier democrats are disgustingly dishonest about thier party affiliations. LOL! It's both sides the aisle pal, both are selling out America on illegal immigration, both partys are equally guilty. Both candidates for president support amnesty for illegals already present, and have said just that; never bothering to consider the thousands more still streaming across our boarders right behind the illegals both want to give amnesty too. I'm tired of politicians both sides the aisle selling America out, while wrapping themselves in our flag!
September 12, 2008

7:25 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Man, that earthen jug of homemade hooch has surely taken a toll on brain cells! Damn revenooers, granny git yer gun!
September 12, 2008

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mrfxx writes:

diggtbks writes:
"This is another example of the failure of Democratic leadership to keep folks safe."
McCain was supporting Bush's immigration "solution" which included AMNESTY - not much of a shock considering business rules the GOP. Between hiring illegals for what used to well-paying (with benefits) blue collar jobs in this country (fewer than 5% of illegals work in agriculture) and offshoring both blue collar manufacturing jobs as well as white collar jobs including but not limited to IT, accounting and even medical "support jobs" how do you think the CEOs in this country are making 200x-500x the average wage of their employees? The sad fact is they have you conned into believing that you too can be a millionaire. By the way - the last amnesty came under Reagan - and W "invited" illegals into the country to help with the cleanup of Katrina (instead of offering the jobs to the legal workforce) while Arizona, under a Democratic governor passed and enacted legislation to take business licenses away from illegal employers caught hiring illegals TWICE.

"Hickenlooper and Ritter proudly proclaim Denver and much of Colorado a sanctuary for illegal immigrants at the cost of public safety."
Please read the TITLE - this is in Aurora - or does Aurora get a pass because the mayor is GOP?

Outlaw writes: "There are 2 things we need to do to take back our country. We need to SEAL THE BORDER and we need to dry up the jobs. The border needs to be a no man's land DMZ type of operation. However if they do manage to get across, the penalties for hiring them need to be so severe that jobs will just not be available."

Absolutely correct. The EU (which only faces about 500,000 illegals/year) has enacted legislation involving meaningful fines and jail times for CEOs whose companies are caught hiring illegals multiple times. WE CAN DO THAT TOO.
September 12, 2008

7:39 a.m.

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denverinfidel writes:

"It is not known how he turned up five months later in connection with a robbery and shooting."

What a pathetic joke. He walked right back across the border. ICE and spineless politicians won't even keep out thugs with 30+ arrests. Start the roundups.
September 12, 2008

7:47 a.m.

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ksells writes:

Louie,

I pretty much have to agree with you about Hip in a way. He didn't hire the guy, but he was the boss. Nor did Qwest's Nachio hire the guy who raped and killed a girl and parallalized a woman on the lawn of a police station.

But the fact is that illegal immegrants come to the US because Republican businesses are there to welcome them with open arms.

Hispanics are decent people and work for their families. That is why they do it. The key word is "work". They aren't here to start a crime wave! And again, I push the Republican button. Why would they be here if Republicans would be willing to pay a wage that citizans would take? Why would Republicans resist paying their fair share for the costs of doing business? Why do Republicans resist the laws that have been passed, primarily by Republicans?

The thing that I can't figure out is why Republicans say liberals have to behave to a different standard then Republicans. Joself Goelbells would be proud of you.
September 12, 2008

8:04 a.m.

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Billy writes:

It never ceases to amaze me that when someone of color does something wrong or breaks the law the "white Sheets" come in here and call them derogatory names. "spicet"? C'mon Adolph, surely you can do better than that. There have been just as many "white" folk who have committed this same crime. You don't see anyone coming in here saying things like another "cracker" did it again, or the "Kluxers" are at it again. Show some intelligence people, lay off the name calling. Things are bad enough in this state and country, don't show your stupidity and add to it.
September 12, 2008

8:11 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

Wow, Billy, join the crowd. Who are you calling "white Sheets"?
September 12, 2008

8:16 a.m.

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HumanBeans writes:

MAYOR: IMPOUND INITIATIVE "TOO COSTLY,"
BUT DOCUMENT SHOWS OVER $3 MILLION PROFIT

WHERE DID MAYOR HICKENLOOPER GET STATISTICS HE CITED IN JULY PRESS CONFERENCE?

CompleteColorado.com has obtained an internal document produced by the City of Denver that shows a projected $3 million dollar profit for the Denver vehicle impound lot in calendar year 2009, the first full year of operation under the new "impound" ordinance recently passed by voters. The document stands in sharp contrast to the views of Mayor Hickenlooper at a July 30th press conference in which the Mayor is quoted in a Denver Post article saying that the initiative would "[cost] us a ton of personnel and funding." The article also states that the Mayor said the initiative was an unfunded mandate that would cost the city more than one million dollars annually.

Whether or not the document obtatined by CompleteColorado.com is the same document the Mayor was referencing in his remarks to the press could not be determined by the Mayor's office. However, many numbers specifically cited by Mayor Hickenlooper, closely, if not perfectly, match many of the numbers and assumptions in the spreadsheet.

Click on link to see the spreadsheet!
http://www.completecolorado.com/impou...
September 12, 2008

8:23 a.m.

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FlyfishDude52 writes:

A short synopsis -
1 - The borders MUST be closed
2 - The court & penal system must not be encumbered by overloading with illegal aliens - bullets are cheaper & a better deterent
3 - See #2 when asking the question why aren't those we elect doing anything or better yet why aren't they doing the right thing
4 - See #2 when dealing with those that employ illegal aliens

If these simple suggestions don't work, then go back to what is happening now - nothing...
September 12, 2008

8:24 a.m.

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FlyfishDude52 writes:

And why can't we deal with the problem like that. They're OUR borders. Anyone here illegally is just that; illegal & they have NO rights. We make the rules...
September 12, 2008

8:28 a.m.

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SWAR writes:

Billy,

best response I have read. It is always the race card in all these people hiding behind email names. True stupidity when you have to always blame the race card. ALL race types have their problems. I was raised in Colorado and the hatred you read concerning race is beyond belief. How many people did Adolf put to death?
September 12, 2008

8:34 a.m.

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Billy writes:

Heidi, think about it. Making a point here........duh.
September 12, 2008

8:34 a.m.

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troopermsu writes:

The republicans have been in charge of the Executive Branch since Jan 2001. That is the branch in charge of border security. So let's not make this a paritisan issue. All involved have let us down.

Also, in this case, I don't think tougher employer penalties would have kept this guy out. He is a gang banger. He didn't come here to work.
September 12, 2008

8:41 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

Billy, you are right about some of the posters here, but many people are angered that the illegal criminals keep slipping through the cracks. The majority of the people here are against the illegal aliens, not an entire race. Rojas and Hernandez deserve more than name calling.
September 12, 2008

8:43 a.m.

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TheDenverB writes:

most all of the posters on here need to review the laws and processes we have for deporting illegal aliens before they start pointing blind fingers at people.

we get it, you don't like the mayor or the Gov.... but they aren't to blame here. I'm sure you will still have a million reasons to hate them and call them whatever silly pet name you may have for them.

please try bring some intelligence to this discussion for once, people.
September 12, 2008

8:49 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

The DenverB,
I am not into name calling, myself, but can understand the anger. Seriously, though, where does the fault lie and what would be a good solution?
September 12, 2008

8:52 a.m.

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toocool writes:

You have seen only the tip of the iceberg with the likes of Rojas and Hernandez. Mexico is 35 miles south of us @ MCB Camp Pendleton. Many of the illegals that they manage to apprehend(less than 1% daily) are nabed just outside of our 1-5 gates!! San Diego County averages 10 police chases each day....some border!!!
September 12, 2008

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mokey writes:

I truly believe that people post angry messages about illegal immigrants -- BTW I'm no fan of them -- because it's such a base issue to crow about.

If the people who complain on this site REALLY cared, then we would be addressing:

1. The federal deficit/National Debt in conjunction with the huge surge (financial obligations) in Medicare and Social Security recipients. Your leaders in Washington are spending money they don't have now and borrowing from China and Japan in the process. If every man, woman and child in America had to pay today for their share of money-printing going on in Washington, the bill would be well over $35,000. Over half of that debt was incurred by the Bush Administration.

2. Every day 80 Americans are killed by gun violence. 8 of them (10%) are children 19 and under. For every gun death, two more are wounded. Gun violence costs the United States $100 billion annually. At $100 per week, we could feed 19.2 million people with that much money every year. Or at $350 per month, we could provide health insurance to 23.8 million Americans each year. So if the statistic is true that illegal aliens kill 12 Americans every day and we further assume that these were all gun deaths (not a good assumption, I admit), then Americans are killing 6.6 Americans for every illegal immigrant-caused death. Lest we forget, Chandler was starved to death by Americans. The little girl shot in the park a few weeks ago was shot by Americans. Timothy McVeigh, an American army veteran, killed 168 Americans (including innocent CHILDREN in a day care) because he had a beef about our foreign policy. In 2006, there were over 12,000 cases of aggravated assault in Colorado. Not all of these were at the hands of illegal aliens. There were 158 murders in Colorado in 2006. Over 2000 instances of forcible rape occurred in that same year.

If I haven't made my point, it is this: we as Colorado citizens are much more violent and ugly to one another than any number of illegal aliens could every be. Facts are Facts. Everything else is lame, ineffectual, jingoistic pandering. And very sad and pathetic as well.

Yet the people on this site put their energy into two losers. Yes we need to something about them, too. However, we have much bigger problems in this country.
September 12, 2008

9:02 a.m.

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gary writes:

mexellent, grandpaw, anderson...

Where are you...come call all of us racist! Tell us the great virture of illegal aliens in our country..

Nuff Said!
September 12, 2008

9:05 a.m.

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DenverTea writes:

Louie too funny! Hooch killing brain cells granny git yer gun - thank you for levity :)
September 12, 2008

9:07 a.m.

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Biff writes:

this is quite simple....if you are an illegal and you get caught, we put a permenent tatoo on their arm that will notify any employeer that they will recieve a stiff penalty if they hire this person should they come back after being deported! To me, these people are the lowest form who deserve to be treated one grade above animals.
September 12, 2008

9:11 a.m.

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DenverTea writes:

Good point Mokey... however, the right to bear arms is an important right to protect. I am mostly a non-violent, give peace a chance kind of gal, but that right should be non-negotiable. Pro-choice and pro-guns - d^mn, I must be some kind of weird, murdering Demo-lib-ublican hybrid lol
September 12, 2008

9:15 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Point your overlooking Billy, America locks up it's citizens for criminal offenses, now your suggesting I lock up the criminals of other countries as well? On whose dime Billy? No country is paying Colorado for the 4000 illegals in our prisons, we are! Christ right of the throne, we could open up hotels for criminals with swimming pools and saunas if other nations payed America for thier citizens in our prisons. Castro unloaded his prison and mental institutions on America with the 1980's boatlift, he wasn't stupid, America was for accepting them. They even took over 3 federal prisons for a month, remember Billy? No pal, Latin America is shoving thier own inability to help thier people by pushing thier problem down America's throat; but that big time oil revenues they are making isn't seeing thier people, only the rich who keep them oppressed in poverty are making the bucks off thier country's resourses. Enough, we have more than paid Latin America's bill for failing to help thier people become middle class citizens of thier nation, they can spend that oil revenue on thier very own people. Or they can do like Venezula and invite the Russian bombers to back up thier government as they just did, like Cuba once did, and we can keep having truck innertubes, barrel rafts, and illegals washing up on our shores, and swamping our justice systems, education systems, healthcare systems, our insurance premiums as drivers, etc.; what's it going to be Billy? We pay for thier citizens as well as thier criminals, or they pay for thier own? Oil's over 100 dollars a barrel, I think it's thier turn to be responsible Billy, at least for thier own citizens, don't you think? NAFTA needs to be repealed unless Latin America starts recognizing thier responsibility to thier citizens!
September 12, 2008

9:19 a.m.

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coloradohunter1 writes:

I find it interesting that people keep referring to Republican businesses wanting cheap labor. Is it because all business owners become Republicans when they find out how much liberal Democrat policies and programs wind up costing them?
September 12, 2008

9:20 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

Mokey,

Many of the posters here also respond to the articles related to the crimes of the legal citizens and express their anger and frustration on those strings as well. But this article is about the crimes of illegal aliens.

You said "we as Colorado citizens are much more violent and ugly to one another than any number of illegal aliens could every be."

If you look at the ratio of citizens to illegal aliens, and compare the crimes committed, you will see that your statement above is not true. I agree that there are many other serious problems in our country, but to me, this is one of the most serious.
September 12, 2008

9:24 a.m.

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DenverTea writes:

Biff, that is really too lame to respond to, but I am going to because I am a pushover for anyone who cries out to me "bash me over the head with a pitchfork please" as you have done. 1 you must really have no self esteem, to compare other people to one step above animals. 2. If you are going to target a group to say they are one step above animals, look at corporate wealth tyrants who make others into sweatshop slaves just to keep them in the green. 3. Have you read 1984? Have you read anything about the early stages of Nazi Germany? Go, read.
September 12, 2008

9:24 a.m.

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wyhammertime writes:

I think Mexico is laughfing their eye's out at the U.S. it shows how big of a pack of idiot's the goverment is nothing but a bunch of pocket liner's !! WE give them money for fixing their goverment and let them in here illegalily and let them reak havoc on our way of life !! If they grant them amnesty I will send them a bill for a refund of all the fee's I've paid I think goverment ought to take some of the hard working taxpayer's money and buy themselves a SPINE !!! But it looks like they are trying to start a war among us here,With all this that they are letting happen with illegal immegration ya think ????
September 12, 2008

9:25 a.m.

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Squatch writes:

So he got deported in April and got back in this country. Why didnt he get caught coming back across? I thought we had tightened security down there months ago to prevent this from happening.

This guy will now sit in an American prison and just continue his gang activity in there.
September 12, 2008

9:31 a.m.

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Brain writes:

This guy isn't here for any job, he is here to commit crimes. He needs to be locked-up for a very long time and if still alive when released he should be deported again.
Personally I wished this guy could be put out of his and our misery before he does kill someone; unfortunately that won't happen.
This is a good reason to have better border security and better self defenses individually; I will be purchasing another gun this week-end!
September 12, 2008

9:35 a.m.

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questioning writes:

A few things to ponder....
How is building a barricade between two countries considered racist?
How is calling someone a mexican considered being racist? If this is true, then calling someone an American would be racist as well. After all, both are names of the people who are citizens of those countries. Is canadien a race? (Sounds silly doesn't it?)
Last I checked, on any job application or form that has an section on race, lists hispanic or latino.
September 12, 2008

9:39 a.m.

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timeandagain writes:

Biff - that is very extreme! But I like it!
September 12, 2008

9:41 a.m.

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Sue3275 writes:

DO NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!

OBAMA is still the "MOST EVIL" regarding this issue-----and should NOT be elected!!

At "Least" McCain has said that he will close/secure the borders......Obama said that he finds the fence "offensive".

At "LEAST" the MAJORITY of Republicans are on OUR SIDE regarding this issue------and they will stop any/all attempts that McCain may make toward amnesty------as they know what the MAJORITY of citizens want done regarding illegals-----and they will NOT let McCain destroy THEIR political careers.

The MAJORITY of the Dems in Congress will be siding with Obama if he tries to push amnesty.

At "LEAST" McCain has NOT said that YOUR kids should learn Spanish, and that ICE is acting like Nazis because they are doing raids on employers who are hiring illegals.

PLUS........McCain has NOT promised illegals amnesty, welfare, WIC, foodstamps, jobs, drivers' licenses, health care benefits, education benefits, etc.

Obama's health care plan includes ILLEGALS!!! He will lie and say that it does not include illegals, that is because he plans on making them all legal first.

DO NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!!
September 12, 2008

9:43 a.m.

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Sue3275 writes:

There are at "LEAST" 3000 US citizens killed each year by illegals!!! We have more of our citizens being killed each year by foreigners on US soil, then in the Middle East. EVERY single one of these citizens had the right to be safe/protected in OUR country.

Some of you might not realize how many people are being killed by illegals throughout the country----as the media and our politicians DEFINITELY try to keep this information hidden.

Here is one VERY good site for you to see what is going on in cities/states throughout the country regarding the ILLEGAL invasion----the site is updated each day, twice a day.

http://www.americanpatrol.com

YOU MUST GET INVOLVED NOW

----we are now in a fight for the safety and future rights/opportunities of our children and grandchildren!!

Join thousands of US citizens throughout the country by joining these sites/forums!!

http://www.numbersusa.com

http://www.minutemanhq.com

http://www.saveourstate.org

http://www.topix.net/forum/news/immig...
September 12, 2008

9:44 a.m.

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chronic writes:

WE'RE SCREWED - THE HORSE IS OUT OF THE BARN AND THERE ARE TOO MANY OF THEM HERE TO TURN BACK THE TIDE -WITHOUT BORDERS THERE IS NO COUNTRY. IS THIS WHAT OUR VETERANS FOUGHT AND DIED FOR? AMERICA IS WELL ON IT'S WAY TO BECOMING A 2ND OR 3RD WORLD NATION, AND NOT ONE WORD FROM OUR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES - IT'S EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF FROM HERE ON IN. GET READY ... IT'S COMING.
September 12, 2008

9:45 a.m.

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Sue3275 writes:

Earlier today, I had at LEAST 5 articles posted here-----from papers/sources throughout the country-----about Obama saying that he plans on giving all of the illegals amnesty, but they removed them.

Obama has NO plans on going after employers----like someone here said-----as one of the articles was about Obama calling ICE Nazis---because they were going in and raiding employers who were hiring illegals.

Did you hear about the recent census reports from two weeks ago??

Hispanics will be the MAJORITY in our country by 2042!!

If the 20 million illegals are given amnesty, they will then be able to bring in millions more of their family members through chain migration. Then think of the millions of kids that they will have on US soil. This will EASILY be 120 million people!!

Then, they will take over our politics/elections-----giving them more and more power/control, and taking away more rights/opportunities for you, your children, your grandchildren.

WHAT IS GOING TO BE LEFT FOR YOU??

WHAT IS GOING TO BE LEFT FOR YOUR CHILDREN??

WHAT IS GOING TO BE LEFT FOR YOUR GRANDCHILDREN????
September 12, 2008

9:49 a.m.

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Sue3275 writes:

Another article to PROVE how insane our country is getting due to the loony left!!!

Racism Is Charged of Opponents of Voting Rights for Noncitizens

By GRACE RAUH,
New York Sun
September 8, 2008

"In advance of the 2009 citywide elections, a coalition of immigrant and advocacy organizations is reigniting a fight to give noncitizens the right to vote in municipal elections, drawing the ire of opponents who argue that voting is a right for American citizens only."

Cont'd through link.............

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/racism-...
September 12, 2008

10:06 a.m.

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FlyfishDude52 writes:

It's bs that any US citizen takes the side of illegal aliens. They are a pariah on American society!
September 12, 2008

10:12 a.m.

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bato writes:

All the people there doing bad things they should leave the country, but the others we going to stay and...
VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!
September 12, 2008

10:15 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

bato,
I have no idea what you just said. Maybe you should go to one of our schools. It's free!
September 12, 2008

10:17 a.m.

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Biff writes:

Good god Denvertea....your going to throw 1984 at me? What would you do if an illegal killed your 3 year old little girl while she was eating ice cream at a baskin robbins? This guy had 11 arrestes on his record! In my mind, he is....barely....above the existance of rat! He's a pathetic existance of a human being.....don't throw that Nazi, 1984 Orwell BS at me!
September 12, 2008

10:18 a.m.

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Sue3275 writes:

ssqured:

"Thanks for the sites."

No problem!!

Be sure to post them frequently, and pass them on to as many people as possible!!!

Citizens throughout the country MUST be united and ready to go if/when they begin to bring up amnesty again!!!

Our forefathers fought to defend our rights/opportunities that we have now.

We ALL must be ready to do the same for the future rights/opportunities of our children and grandchildren!!
September 12, 2008

10:19 a.m.

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RoyalPayne writes:

Since Colorado is a sanctuary state why is anyone surprised at the results? The liberal politicans you voted in passed some of the toughest immigration laws in the nation, knowing full well they would never be enforced.
Both candidates in the Presidental race have said they want an amnesty bill and would sign it when available.
All of us have been sold out by those politicans who have sold their soul and their country for money, power and votes.
September 12, 2008

10:19 a.m.

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PlayFair writes:

Yes, thank you, Sue3275. More productive info, please!

"---voting rights for non-citizens---". And what will they be advocating for the 3 Aurora victims who are now "non-living"??? PLUH-EEESE!

Where the hell is John Wayne?
September 12, 2008

10:21 a.m.

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Sue3275 writes:

Shaggy:

"And to think Obama was out marching with them for amnesty.
Pathetic."

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You have no clue what Obama is promising and doing for ILLEGALS!!!

I would post articles about this, but they will just remove them.

However, DEFINITELY visit/register at the sites that I posted above!!

You and others here who are awake and informed----help to wake up others, BEFORE the voting takes place!!
September 12, 2008

10:24 a.m.

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Sue3275 writes:

Someone here asked----and I agree with.......

Where were all of the Colorado citizens when Tom Tancredo needed to be supported/defended----when he was being called a nut, racist, etc.-----because he was pointing out the serious problems/dangers are country is facing due to illegals, our open borders, etc.-----and because he was DEMANDING that our borders be closed/secured, and our immigration laws enforced???
September 12, 2008

10:41 a.m.

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almostarmy2003 writes:

I knew he yaw was gonna have a field day with this
September 12, 2008

10:43 a.m.

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Billy writes:

Just think of how many of these types of accidents are caused by "legal" people too. White, black and brown.And Heidi, wasn't jumping down on ya. You are one of the few who post in here who make any kind of sense at all. But to hear these people denegrate a culture for coming here, trying to make better for themselves and family, it's almost juvenile. People, be aware, in the not too distant future the Hispanic culture will be the majority in the U.S. Who are you going to cry and whine to then? Maybe, just maybe, your children will be working for an Hispanic Corp. Never know. Food for thought.
September 12, 2008

10:48 a.m.

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bato writes:

Thats right Billy!!!
VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!
September 12, 2008

10:56 a.m.

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Bezo1 writes:

If you vote for the Democrates you can only blame yourselves. Wake up Colorado.
September 12, 2008

10:57 a.m.

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Sue3275 writes:

Billy:

"Just think of how many of these types of accidents are caused by "legal" people too."

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Are you for real??

The point is.........These criminals should NOT have been in our country!!

The point is......We have ENOUGH of our own criminals, we do not need millions more invading our country from foreign countries.

The point is.......These US citizens had the right to be secure/protected on US soil from foreigners in our country ILLEGALLY.
September 12, 2008

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almostarmy2003 writes:

When i got out the army I tried to get on with Border Patrol. I was told to try again in 90 days after i failed the spanish portion of the exam. Well yeah I failed the spanish portion I'm from Denver Colorado USA
September 12, 2008

11:07 a.m.

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Billy writes:

Sue, no the point is, illegals aren't the only ones commiting these and other heinous crimes. The point is that many of these people are trying to get here legally, the point is, you are generalizing a whole ethnic group for the actions of a minority of those people commiting these crimes. Get off your high horse, quit denegrating these people and come up with an intelligent solution. One that can get rid of the hate. I was born and raised in Colo. and the racism and bigotry has not changed in my 52 years. And before you call me racist or bigoted, my wife is white, my children are h alf white, my grandchildren are multi-cultural, and I am damn glad I never raised mine to act like some of these people in here. The word is "EMPATHY". Maybe some should learn it.
September 12, 2008

11:18 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

Billy,
I didn't get that from Sue. In her posts, she is against the illegal migration to our country. I am all for people coming here to try to make a better life for themselves. I don't know how hard it is to do that through our naturalization process. But, obviously, it can be done. We should only help those who want to help themselves and make a positive contribution to our society.
September 12, 2008

11:20 a.m.

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gottalovegolf writes:

All good points but you are all forgetting a HUGE one. All illegal aliens that have children in the US are eligible for AFDC (Aids for families with Dependent Children). That's right - the kids are U.S. citizens because they are born here and therefore the parents get to claim benefits and food stamps to support the children.

Someone needs to get an amendment through the constitution that you have to be from a LEGAL US citizen parent to be a legal US citizen. That would solve a lot of problems. I lived in CA and women showed up 8 months pregnant (entered with a coyote) and then delivered and could stay! What a joke. We should bill their country for our hospital services and delivery fees. Afterall, a man who gets a woman pregnant is expected to pay the fees of the hospital so why is it that the illegals get it for free? First step -- CHANGE THE LAW SO THEY ARE NOT LEGAL BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF BIRTH!

I have no problem with someone coming to this country legally and trying to improve their life but when you enter illegally, you are a criminal and should be treated as one.

And when our border patrol does act - as in the Campos case, they get set up and the criminal gets away free plus can now sue because he was shot. What a crime~!
September 12, 2008

11:22 a.m.

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jonas writes:

Why aren't all of our military bases on the border? Seems better to eminent domain land there.
September 12, 2008

11:22 a.m.

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almostarmy2003 writes:

Border Patrol needs to change there hiring practices. There's not enough of them to be effective.
September 12, 2008

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PlayFair writes:

MasterBilly: No one is "generalizing"...quite the contrary. Whether a crime is committed by a US citizen or an illegal alien, the penality should be the same and it is not. Race should not be an issue of legality, but it is. Too many times, because the criminal is, in fact, an illegal alien, it is for that reason, and that reason alone, that the criminal justice system, top to bottom, looks the other way and that is racisim in the worst way. We are all frustrated because there is no immediate solution.

MasterBato: Oh, never mind.
September 12, 2008

11:34 a.m.

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Billy writes:

Play Fair, yes you are correct. The penalties should be the same. Unfortunately many of your felllow posters don't post the same views. Read back, you'll see. I too agreee the punishment should be the same. 110%
September 12, 2008

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freemarketworks writes:

Heidi writes:

"bato,
I have no idea what you just said. Maybe you should go to one of our schools. It's free!"

Isn't that the problem? Free, if you don't pay property tax in some form, or another. Our schools are suffering directly as a result of illegal aliens. The need for an increase in Spanish speaking social workers, bilingual programs, free lunches, etc., is definitely coming directly out of the education budgets intended for American children.

Schools are just one area. Other examples of strained institutions (public and private) include social welfare, criminal justice, healthcare and insurance. The increased cost of an estimated 14 to 25 million illegal aliens far outweighs any benefit that these people bring to America.

As this population grows exponentially, we are faced with a decision to either assimilate legal aliens into the American culture, or allow our country to be over taken by the third world culture of illegal aliens.

Am I saying that America has a superior culture to that of Mexico, or any other country for that matter? No; however, I am saying that it is our culture and language that make us distinctly American and focused on living the “American Dream.” I also see America as a charitable nation, one willing to help other nations build and educate their own citizens. I’m for securing our boarders, toughening immigration laws, and deporting illegal aliens before it’s too late. Likewise, I’m for helping other countries develop the institutions and means to provide citizens with the capability to fulfill their dreams in their own country.
September 12, 2008

11:41 a.m.

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Mike1969 writes:

Disgusting! Deport all ILLEGAL aliens!

We need to adopt E-Verify like AZ did!
September 12, 2008

11:50 a.m.

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skirch writes:

This is a letter that was printed yesterday in the aspen Newspaper written by my father in law that was shot at by an illegal alien last year- I don't think I could say it any better!

Editor:

In response to a recent Sunday Daily News front page story, “Basalt’s barrio,” I have a few things to say.

I laughed at how the author described the drive-by shooting at 7/Eleven as an “attempted shooting.” It was attempted murder! Five real slugs from an M-1 rifle tore through the front window of the store.

When the police brought me back to identify the shooters from the store’s videotape, I saw the yellow police tape strung through the store tracing the trajectories of the bullets. One bullet came within two feet of a melted ice cream bar, where a mother and a child had been standing at the time of the shooting. Had I been there at the time of the shooting, had I been at the register, I’d likely have been killed.

Though one of the suspects lived next door in the trailer park, not one hardworking, “law abiding” Hispanic came forward with any information.

Are we to accept and assimilate people who spit on our nation’s sovereignty and say, like Jose in the article, “If they take me to Mexico, I know I’ll be back in two weeks?”

Illegal immigration benefits only the rich, giving them a cheap labor pool. With unemployment at a 15-year high, how many jobs are being kept from legal citizens by people who aren’t supposed to be here?

Would your children be doing better in school if they weren’t preoccupied learning Spanish? It’s your taxes that pay for those bilingual teachers for kids who shouldn’t been here.

I wish I could afford to go to Mexico once or twice year, like Jose. He, like other illegals, makes his money here and they then send billions per year south of the border. How freaking politically correct is that? It’s as if our valley had its own little foreign aid program.

The open-border bleeding hearts advertise our valley as a safe haven destination for illegal aliens. This has nothing to do with racism or bigotry. This is about the rule of law and order in our society.

If you want to call this greatest nation on earth “home,” then you must respect our laws, especially our sovereignty.

Otherwise we risk leaving our grandchildren a Third World country for their future.

Bruno Kirchenwitz
Silt
September 12, 2008

11:50 a.m.

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mokey writes:

Just to be fair with the data, here is a breakdown of real felony criminal statistics based on 14,460 individuals.

As an added note, there's been a lot of talk about Gov. Ritter's plea history. But in looking at the data, only 2.5% of the cases (about 362) actually went to trial. If Colorado prosecutors actually took more cases to trial it would cost an astronomical amount of money = much higher taxes.

Total % of Total % of Population
Asian 108 0.7% 2.8%
Black 2,141 14.8% 4.5%
Other 39 0.3% 0.2%
Hispanic 4,876 33.7% 21.1%
Indian 34 0.2% unk
Native American 54 0.4% 0.8%
White 7,208 49.8% 70.1%
Total 14,460 100.00%

This is real data. Make your own inference.
September 12, 2008

11:51 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

freemarketworks,

I hope you realize that my comment you quoted was tongue-in-cheek.
September 12, 2008

12:02 p.m.

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Squatch writes:

I voted for Bush. What did he do to stop illegal aliens from coming across the border? Considering 9-11 was on his watch and we were concerned about our borders then. I only ask this question since people are throwing out McCain (same party) WILL do this and that.

almostarmy2003 - How come they didn't offer you the 95 day Spanish course?
They expect you to learn Spanish since you will be working the Mexican border not the Canadian and most illegal’s don’t speak English.
September 12, 2008

12:04 p.m.

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Willy writes:

ksells writes:

For you sixth grade Republicans, it's the Federal government under a Republican president who sets the budget for ICE.

It is the House of Representatives then the Senate that must approve the budget. The budget is not a unilaterteral mandate from the exec branch. Congress must take their share of responsibility. It's called a system of checks and balances, but it doesn't work anymore because both parties sleep together on 99% of issues.
September 12, 2008

12:06 p.m.

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COLibertarian writes:

Mokey

What statistics are these, where were they tabulated? What is timeframe of tabulation? i.e. Where are all of the details behind these numbers?

From the total detail and analysis, we can make inferences. From this, NADA nothing zilch ZERO
September 12, 2008

12:07 p.m.

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freemarketworks writes:

Heidi,

I took your comment as tongue-in-cheek, but saw it as a great point. Thanks for clarifying!
September 12, 2008

12:10 p.m.

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ron65ron writes:

Complain Complain Complain..all of you... it's a bit to late. It is not a DEM or REP situation, it is a presidential situation. For Pete's sake, has anyone ever read the immigration laws? The federal government is NOT doing it's job of protecting AMERICANS, and this is just a llittle example of what is to come. We need to protect our OWN backyard first before we start to help other countries protect theirs. My house was broken into by 3 illegal alien Mexicans, and they got probation, when they had extensive arrest records, ICE wanted nothing to do with it. But let me tell you that If I were to break into my neighbors house and steal from them, I would be doing a lot of jail time. Blame the District Attorney as well.
September 12, 2008

12:16 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

From Mokey's data, we can infer, per ratio, that blacks commit the most crimes, followed by the Hispanics. It does not differentiate between citizens and illegal aliens.
And as CoLib states, when and how was this data tabulated?
September 12, 2008

12:19 p.m.

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johnson writes:

Gee, you mean these 2 weren't in the States working at jobs "Americans won't do"?
September 12, 2008

12:19 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

freemarket,

You may quote me anytime to make a point!
September 12, 2008

12:20 p.m.

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marine76 writes:

This is another example of the current attitudes in the U.S. today. Kinder, gentler, understanding, love thy neighbor, don't spank your child, etc. Just keep giving them chance after chance. It's not their fault and it's never, never my fault. It's George Bush's fault! Blame everything on the government. If we had consequences that were understood and enforced and strong. The longer they are allowed to get away with it the harder it's going to be to fix. Illegal aliens? Deport them by taking them to Key West and telling them to swim back to Mexico. Levy a heavy fine on any company that hires one. No arguments, too bad if you didn't know. You better find out. You will be held responsible so you better be responsible. I think it's wrong to say someone is a U.S. citizen just because their mom happened to be over the border when the deliver occured. If your parents aren't U.S. citizens, then neither are you. Or give the babies to one of the movie stars that want to adopt, then deport the parents. Most of this is sarcastic, but something has to be done to fix the problem.
September 12, 2008

12:25 p.m.

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marine76 writes:

My home was broken into by an american in 1996. He's still in jail (3 strikes).
September 12, 2008

12:30 p.m.

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marine76 writes:

And had I been home, he would have been shot.
September 12, 2008

12:44 p.m.

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marine76 writes:

People work hard to earn something and then these people feel they are entitled to share the wealth.
September 12, 2008

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almostarmy2003 writes:

Squatch - They told me to take a spanish course and to have VA pay for it. I guess i was just a little narrow minded in believing that I shouldn't have to learn spanish to obtain a job in the US. They know what there doing is wrong thats why they run when they see Border Patrol coming. I don't feel i need to learn a whole spanish vocabulary to tell somebody to go home
September 12, 2008

12:54 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

You guys are being sold a wolf ticket, when else are police chases in the paper? I do see that illegals are a problem, but it's being made to seem as if they're "THE" problem. Watchout! The solution to this problem and others like identity theft,forgery and medical reasons, how bout body recovery after acts of nature or mass casualties? These problems will signal the era of the microchip being put in people. This is'nt just coincidence that it's in the media so heavily and the government seems so incompetent regarding this issue. if they wanted to they could seal the border completely and find bogus SSN #s . When the solution to this problem starts, the end is near for the world as we know it. See the bigger picture here people. Be careful what you ask for you just might get it.
September 12, 2008

12:57 p.m.

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Squatch writes:

almostarmy- Gotcha. thats pretty funny.
September 12, 2008

1:03 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

almostarmy2003,

Too bad the universal language of pointing a gun at someone wouldn't qualify you for the job.
September 12, 2008

1:09 p.m.

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kmeissner writes:

Border Patrol is a joke. Shoot first and ask questions later is how they should handle people sneaking into the country. They come, take our jobs, cause a ton of crime, get deported and come right back.

30 arrests? Was he legally here for the first 29? I have no respect for local police if they can't:

A: Put them in jail for a very long time
B: Or better yet, deport them! That way they aren't using our hard-earned money to give him 3 meals a day in jail!
September 12, 2008

1:10 p.m.

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BigSky182 writes:

saviandme writes:

"The comments here are so disgusting... You are talking about human beings... yes, I am a flippin bleeding hear liberal... And I beleive that the whoever wins the election will do the right thing for this country. enough on that issue.
but to happymike44, what a joke. Do you know that there are NO publicly funded programs that help illegals... They don't get OUR tax dollars for those programs... Do your homework..."

Seriously? Can you be THAT naive?

Their kids are in Public School... demanding to be taught in their native languages, which takes away from MY kids because schools have to spend extra for bilingual teachers and twice as much printed material.

They are on welfare and medicaid... which is funded by MY taxes, which takes money away from MY family.

They are recieving free emergency care in hospitals... which causes MY health insurance to increase.

They are committing crimes in MY town, which causes MY taxes to be raised in order to pay the Courts and fund the jails.

True, they are not the only ones on these programs, but they are adding to the already overburdened system and increasing the problem.

And they give NOTHING back. They are ILLEGALS and therefore cannot have a LEGAL job. That means they pay ZERO income taxes... no FICA... no Social Security.... nothing. They drive unlicensed and unregistered vehicles .... so no property taxes. They send every dime they can back to their home Country which takes the money out of MY economy.

MY taxes are being used to support THEIR illegal existence and fund THEIR economy.
September 12, 2008

1:17 p.m.

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almostarmy2003 writes:

Shoot first ask later! Here Here
September 12, 2008

1:24 p.m.

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marine76 writes:

Two fences on the border, mine field in between. Oh, that won't work an animal might get in there.
September 12, 2008

1:31 p.m.

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marine76 writes:

A fence is a deterent, a mine field is a consequence. We should only print the warning signs in English too. That would encourage them to learn English.
September 12, 2008

1:38 p.m.

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Scott writes:

And when we find a tunnel, we pump it full of phosgene gas.

Scott
September 12, 2008

1:42 p.m.

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almostarmy2003 writes:

I'm voting for Marine76 and Scott in November
September 12, 2008

1:45 p.m.

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Billy writes:

RickyLee, you sir, and I use the term "sir" very carefully, are one of the many idiots in here. I'm thinking you should get some education, psychiatric help, or a frontal lobotomy for the views and hate you spew. You are a very hateful individual, didn't your parents like you as a child? grow up RickyLee, hopefully you don't have children you are raising with the same hate. One day it will all come back, full circle.
September 12, 2008

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LOUIE writes:

ONEman, the technology is already there. Cadillacs are so state of the art that the ZRX's are keyless, damn fast as well. GM has always been a step ahead of the other American car manufacturers it seems. A lot can be held on an implanted chip, to include the exact whereabouts of certain couriers in some professions and required by some insurance companies. It's all a matter of how much freedom do the people want to give up. I personally think there are other ways to deal with illegals. Europe really cut down by mandatory fines in excess of 30,000 dollars for each illegal caught in a company's employ, and jailing company owners if there is blatant disregard for the law. I think we have enough laws, the government is failing to enforce the ones we have, what good are new ones. Even Denver's new law isn't being enforced, it's still a cop decision whether to impound because of the politicians. I figure you don't have a license is pretty easy to check; politicians want to keep us a sanctuary city and state, plain and simple. You can write all the laws you want, the 1996 law, the new Denver law, but if the executive branch of government, both local and state, refuse to enforce them what can you do? The executive branch is in charge of enforcing the laws. thus if they refuse to honor and enforce the law already on the books, I feel they commit the same crime as the criminal by proxy. In Denver our mayor's own employee at his restaurant, an illegal, killed a Denver police officer, mayor could have cared less, never even publicly acknowledged his mistake or apologized to the rank and file Denver cops. Most of the rank and file Denver cops could care less about the mayor, ask them I do. You'd be surprised how much they dislike the Denver mayor, they'll tell you, just ask them when you see them casually. Think if you look up Hinkenlooper it means hedge-hopping thief in it's native definition, but who knows; maybe it's a flightless bird that poops big eggs along the lines of a Dodo bird.
September 12, 2008

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Scott writes:

ONEman & LOUIE,

Naw, the illegals could get a quack to cut the microchip out of them. I say that we DNA them the first time they are caught. Get caught a second time and they spend two years in a jail scenario like Maricopa County, Arizona.

This way we do not microchip our own citizens, which I would vehemently fight.

Scott
September 12, 2008

2:05 p.m.

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mokey writes:

Mokey

What statistics are these, where were they tabulated? What is timeframe of tabulation? i.e. Where are all of the details behind these numbers?

From the total detail and analysis, we can make inferences. From this, NADA nothing zilch ZERO

Mokey -

What's the basis for the numbers? Percent of what population?

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The data is from criminal case statistics (database) Jul 07 to Jun 08 and contains all relevant data regarding the case (case no, name, county, case type (felony, misd, juvenile) and case level (F1, F2, F3, F4....Traffic, etc.), disposition of the case, race and much more. The population data comes from the State Demographers Office.

As a statistical correlary, from the U.S. Office of Justice Statistics (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm), racial breakdown of prison population in U.S. is: Black 40%, Hispanic 19%, Am Indian 1% and Asian 1%. Multiracial is about 3% and the rest are white.

The reason this Hispanic percent in Colorado is much higher than the national average is because Colorado has one of the largest Hispanic growth rates in the country, outpacing all other racial groups.

I went out of my way to provide unbiased (dry) data, but there is much more out there for the taking (State Judicial Department, Colorado Dept of Corrections, Dept of Public Safety/Criminal Justice Division, etc.). I did this because facts are better than mere statements or raw opinion (like on this web site).

I haven't looked at crime rates of illegal aliens, but I am willing to bet that the majority of illegal aliens DO NOT want to be caught and avoid law enforcement contact at all costs (read: they are mostly law abiding people just trying to make a better life for themselves). However, I would invite anyone to prove me wrong.
September 12, 2008

2:07 p.m.

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marine76 writes:

I agree with Louie. Someone earlier was referencing the fact that a lot of these criminals have a long record of crimes. They blamed the police for them being on the street. The fact that they have been caught 30 times is telling me the police are doing their job. The legal system is letting us down there, not the police. I'm sure it's becuase they don't have enough cells to keep them all, so they release the least dangerous (they think). To be successful we have to be commited to making criminals pay for their crimes. There has to be consequences and they have to be a deterent. So we either have to be commited to building more jails to hold them long enough to make it a consequence or we have to make room in the jails some other way. Capital punishment works for me. I don't think there should be a life sentence. I know, what about the innocent guy. Well what about the thousands of innocent people that get hurt or killed by the criminal because we keep letting them out. If we could find a way to cut down on the crime there would be fewer innocent people in prison. We need to fix the problem, not keep pretending it doesn't exist.
September 12, 2008

2:19 p.m.

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JSeifert writes:

To solve the border the following needs done:

1. Jail employers for 20 years min for hiring Illegals.
2. Jail Renters for 20 years min for renting homes to illegals.
3. Jail City and state governments for refusing to enforce immigration law and ban them from public office for life.
4. Ban illegals and their children from Tax payer supported schools. 1-12 and collage.
5. Disband the border patrol and put the military on border like all other countries.
6. Build Illegal immagrant holding area in death vally. 1st pick up deport back, 2nd pick up 5 years then deport,3rd 20 years then deport.
7. Any illegal found smuggling drugs death sentence.
8. Illegal smugglers death sentence.

You start putting CEO's in jail for 20 years all the jobs will dry up, you start putting governments in jail support will dry up. You must be very hard.

But for legal immigrants I say give full access to all services plus give them help in their start in this country let them have cheaper loans, cheaper schooling we need them, law abiding citizens in waiting.
September 12, 2008

2:21 p.m.

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oofda writes:

Take a look and decide. The video on the numbers shown with gumballs is interseting. http://www.numbersusa.com/content/
September 12, 2008

2:24 p.m.

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oofda writes:

its also Interesting
September 12, 2008

2:26 p.m.

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PlayFair writes:

marine76 writes:

Two fences on the border, mine field in between. Oh, that won't work an animal might get in there.

Marine: (see prev. post) Two fences, moat in between, Florida alligators in the moat. (English speaking gators w/guns...Big-a$$ guns!)
September 12, 2008

2:28 p.m.

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COLibertarian writes:

Mokey,

Thanks and raw data without the entire data is worthless unless making an unwarranted statistical point. Any Statistics professor will tell the class that any point can be made using statistics. That is why complete data is needed.

Take a Look at the # of people killed in this country by Illegal Aliens.

You state "I haven't looked at crime rates of illegal aliens, but I am willing to bet that the majority of illegal aliens DO NOT want to be caught and avoid law enforcement contact at all costs (read: they are mostly law abiding people just trying to make a better life for themselves). However, I would invite anyone to prove me wrong."

Under SPECIFIC reasons and in SPECIFIC conditions a person may be committing illegal actions as an act for Attention, therefore getting caught is an OK outcome for that person in those specific conditions.

BUT I will contend that the Great Majority of individuals and groups committing crimes DO NOT want to get caught. SO are they then considered "(read: they are mostly law abiding people just trying to make a better life for themselves)." as you state?

Bottom line here is that there are many Legal Immigrants working very hard trying to gain the American Dream. They should be saluted and given the very same opportunities as the rest of Legal citizens of this country.
Illegal aliens, however, do not warrant the same "salute" They warrant a.....well warrant for their arrest and subsequent deportation. Come to this country Legally and you will be greeted with a smile. Illegally and.....well not so much
September 12, 2008

2:28 p.m.

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marine76 writes:

PlayFair - you are right. It's a lot easier to restock alligators than it is to relay mines.
September 12, 2008

2:30 p.m.

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PlayFair writes:

Milehighguy writes: Is citizens arrest still a valid and available action? If so, I think I will start arresting illegals. I will make a citizens arrest and call ICE myself.

Mile: You'd best be wearing your Kevlar while you're playing ICE-man...don't wanna be reading about you in the news.
September 12, 2008

2:40 p.m.

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almostarmy2003 writes:

Alligators thats awsome. How bout some pit-bulls or labs
September 12, 2008

2:43 p.m.

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marine76 writes:

almostarmy2003 - dogs are good too. Basically anything that can't be bribed or bought. That's why you can't put people between the fences.
September 12, 2008

2:46 p.m.

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PlayFair writes:

Yeah...pitbulls...w/guns...big A$$ guns!
September 12, 2008

2:47 p.m.

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mokey writes:

Mokey,

Thanks and raw data without the entire data is worthless unless making an unwarranted statistical point. Any Statistics professor will tell the class that any point can be made using statistics. That is why complete data is needed.

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I have done exceptionally well in statistical classes that I have taken...thank-you. And I do understand how statistics can be mis-used to tell pretty much any story. However, the organization of the data that I provided came directly from a criminal caseload database. The data is not made up nor did I try to show any type of conclusion based on the data that I provided. Besides the table I provided is not dis-similar to any other state in the nation with similar demographics as Colorado.

I also invited people to look at the Bureau of Justice Statistics (national) or any number of Colorado sites for their own data (again, State Judicial Department, Colorado Department of Corrections, Division of Criminal Justice). We don't get to look at the raw data in these instances, but it is difficult to argue that the professionals that compile this data simply ignore the data itself and provide made-up statistics or tables.

Again, I don't have specific data on illegal immigrants and criminal activities. These people -- criminals or not -- are trying to evade capture (yes, even though they can be back here in two weeks. It's still a major hassle even if it's that easy). I do know that there are illegal immigrants in this country who are here for the specific purpose of commiting crime. I read an article just today which said that since drug trafficing is being so rigidly enforced, Mexican Gangs are growing marijuana on public lands (state and national parks). So I am neither agreeing or disagreeing that illegal immigrants are generally law-abiding or not, just that the facts are murky at best. When I Googled it, I got tons of sites that are clearly biased.

Whoever posted the Gumball Video, I enjoyed watching it. It was an effective presentation.
September 12, 2008

2:47 p.m.

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Justice4all writes:

"The question posed to ICE should be why isn't more being done to shut down the porous border?" said Aurora Police spokesman Bob Friel."

No wonder Aurora can't get it right - Freil does not even know that ICE does not patrol our nation's borders. The Border Patrol is a division of CBP.

Why doesn't Aurora prevent every auto theft, traffic infraction burglary, rape or murder. Enough of the finger pointing, all law enforcement is hamstrung by limited resources. Freil popping off in the media and pointing fingers does nothing to promote good relationships between state and federal agencies.

We need real leadership in Aurora, not bureaucrats protecting turf.
September 12, 2008

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mokey writes:

Take a Look at the # of people killed in this country by Illegal Aliens.

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So I will go back to my earlier post and regroup. I have seen several references that state that illegal immigrants kill 12 Americans every day. 12 times 365 is 4,380. Hmmm. I don't have access to the data that supports the 12/day statistic.

Here's another data source from NationMaster (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri...), which states that in 2007 the per capita murder rate in the United States was .042802 per 1,000. To make the math easy, let's assume that in 2007, the U.S. population was 300,000,000 people. Divide 300 million by 1,000, which equals 300,000. Multiply this by .042802 and it equals 12,840 murders. So are you telling me that the 20 million (do I have **this number** correct???) illegal immigrants in the United States, about 6.7 percent of the population commit 34.1 percent of the murders? Seriously, which statistic did I make up? The population of the United States? The per capita murder rate? The estimated illegal immigrant population? Or does the 12 murders per day seem to the be the odd number?

Of course, using your oddball logic, I would first have to line every person up in America, count them, ask them their citizenship status and ask them whether they committed a murder in the past year.
September 12, 2008

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marine76 writes:

mokey - 1 murder is too many, illegal immigrant or not. Also, if you lined up everyone in America you'd never get an accurate count because there are a lot of Americans that don't call themselve's Americans. Like it's something to be ashamed of.
September 12, 2008

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COLibertarian writes:

Mokey

My oddball logic?

Your logic.....Gave a number of 14+k criminals along with % by race and making a POINT? You NEVER gave Total Population by race, time period of crime, location nor region for analysis IN YOUR First POST. You were making a point based upon incomplete data from which to analyze. Period. I asked for clarification and YES you gave me clarification. Thank you as I did before.

Your logic Most illegals dont want to get caught, therefore lawabiding citizens. That is one of the craziest statements I have heard and when I showed the craziness you took it personally. Now calling oddball as you have been caught giving half of the story to tell a story......HeII you may be correct with your analysis in the end, but dont get pi$$ed in the end when asked for clarification. That is it clarification........and AGAIN thank you for your clarification.

In the end Mokey all I wanted was clarification on your FIRST Post. NEVER Ever said you made numbers up. Just asked for the data, which you provided.
September 12, 2008

3:28 p.m.

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COLibertarian writes:

ALSO Mokey, Thanks for the research. I did not literally mean look it up:-) and sorry if that was what you saw. Was never my intent. In my job I am given quotes and #s every day. I have to weed through the BS to find out what people really want. I understand that too much data on this type of forum is cumbersome and misconstrued on a regular basis. For my "sick" need to understand where it is coming from, I again thank you for your references.
September 12, 2008

3:32 p.m.

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Himtngal writes:

Denver, Aurora & many cities in Colorado are sanctuary thanks to Governor Ritter's Ag Trespass lawyering. Colorado is the next California - full of illegal aliens who get a free pass and do not follow the rule of law. You have a choice next election, use it to get rid of sanctuary politicians.
September 12, 2008

3:42 p.m.

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PlayFair writes:

Himtngal writes:You have a choice next election, use it to get rid of sanctuary politicians.

Okay...lead me to 'em! And tell me how to differentiate between the "santuary politicians" and the ones who actually know how to strap 'em on???? Does one wear lipstick? Does one have the interpreter standing next to him? Who do I choose? Oh...I know...the one with a buldge in his/her pants cause they actually have parts, right? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
September 12, 2008

3:42 p.m.

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Mokey

My oddball logic?

Your logic.....Gave a number of 14+k criminals along with % by race and making a POINT? You NEVER gave Total Population by race, time period of crime, location nor region for analysis IN YOUR First POST. You were making a point based upon incomplete data from which to analyze. Period. I asked for clarification and YES you gave me clarification. Thank you as I did before.

Your logic Most illegals dont want to get caught, therefore lawabiding citizens. That is one of the craziest statements I have heard and when I showed the craziness you took it personally. Now calling oddball as you have been caught giving half of the story to tell a story......HeII you may be correct with your analysis in the end, but dont get pi$$ed in the end when asked for clarification. That is it clarification........and AGAIN thank you for your clarification.

In the end Mokey all I wanted was clarification on your FIRST Post. NEVER Ever said you made numbers up. Just asked for the data, which you provided.
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Sorry to put a bee in your bonnet. I can be a little sharp with my tongue. I was a little touchy. These blogs are a battlefield (I hope we can agree on this point...) which have a lot of inflammatory comments. I try to instill some level of facts vs. emotions...though anger is welcome when it comes to two stories behind these comments.

I definitely will admit I have absolutely no reliable data on the make up of the illegal immigration population. They broke the laws to be here, that we can agree on. After that, I do interact with them enough-- except the Octopus Car Wash at Wadsworth and Colfax --to get a good sense of them as a people.

Let's promise to never fight again. We libertarians are few and far between. BTW I'm seriously of voting for Mr. Barr because the two major candidates have offered zero substance so far in anything they have said.

And the oddball remark was too much and I offer my apologies. I can tell that you just want the straight facts as well.
September 12, 2008

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COLibertarian writes:

No Problem at all Mokey, My comments were not as concise as they should have been. And no fighting intended nor put up......no matter the political affiliation. Just a big ugly peaceful guy here. I live next to Illegal aliens and I too try my best to understand the situations surrounding this issue. I am often torn, but definately want things fixed as fast as possible.

Enjoyed our dialogue Mokey and enjoy your weekend :-)
September 12, 2008

4:24 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

This is going to happen not when or if. I don't think Americans realize the magnification of what's taking place right now, because were so fluffed up in pretty lil cloud "America."
I know that this is cliche' statement by now. But the end is near.
The time is coming when you will have to make a hard choice to keep those liberties that we've grown so accustomed to. I'll tell you some of the people in these posts are so focused on money and self that I don't think that they're really paying attention nowadays. They're only seeing what they want to see and usually only what's right in front of their face. All things of this world will pass away, so what's life really about? Not money and houses and cars and retirement and social security and gas prices and college and lead in the toys and Brittney spears and Obama/Mcain and....... dare I say it? Yes illegal immigration.
Are you really paying attention to what matters beyond yourself?
September 12, 2008

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September 12, 2008

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JSeifert writes:

2 fences and Russian toe poppers or American made betties.
September 12, 2008

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SanctuaryCity writes:

RickyLee

I know the feeling of being victimized by those illegals as I have been victimed 3 times by them. I can't wait for the next time. Make my day
September 12, 2008

8:24 p.m.

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SanctuaryCity writes:

We need another city newspaper called The Illegal Times with the police blotters broken down by cities and counties. Maybe we can go national with pictures
September 12, 2008

10:27 p.m.

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Sue3275 writes:

There are at "LEAST" 3000 US citizens killed each year by illegals!!! We have more of our citizens being killed each year by foreigners on US soil, then in the Middle East. EVERY single one of these citizens had the right to be safe/protected in OUR country.

Some of you might not realize how many people are being killed by illegals throughout the country----as the media and our politicians DEFINITELY try to keep this information hidden.

Here is one VERY good site for you to see what is going on in cities/states throughout the country regarding the ILLEGAL invasion----the site is updated each day, twice a day.

http://www.americanpatrol.com

YOU MUST GET INVOLVED NOW

----we are now in a fight for the safety and future rights/opportunities of our children and grandchildren!!

Join thousands of US citizens throughout the country by joining these sites/forums!!

http://www.numbersusa.com

http://www.minutemanhq.com

http://www.saveourstate.org

http://www.topix.net/forum/news/immig...
September 12, 2008

10:31 p.m.

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Sue3275 writes:

DO NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!

OBAMA is still the "MOST EVIL" regarding this issue-----and should NOT be elected!!

At "Least" McCain has said that he will close/secure the borders......Obama said that he finds the fence "offensive".

At "LEAST" the MAJORITY of Republicans are on OUR SIDE regarding this issue------and they will stop any/all attempts that McCain may make toward amnesty------as they know what the MAJORITY of citizens want done regarding illegals-----and they will NOT let McCain destroy THEIR political careers.

The MAJORITY of the Dems in Congress will be siding with Obama if he tries to push amnesty.

At "LEAST" McCain has NOT said that YOUR kids should learn Spanish, and that ICE is acting like Nazis because they are doing raids on employers who are hiring illegals.

PLUS........McCain has NOT promised illegals amnesty, welfare, WIC, foodstamps, jobs, drivers' licenses, health care benefits, education benefits, etc.

Obama's health care plan includes ILLEGALS!!! He will lie and say that it does not include illegals, that is because he plans on making them all legal first.

Our forefathers fought to protect our future rights/opportunities in this country. The torch has now been passed to us to fight to protect the future rights/opportunities of our children/grandchildren in OUR country.

Once this is put into action, we will NOT get a second chance to stop it!!!

DO NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!!
September 13, 2008

4:14 a.m.

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BornAndRaisedInColorado writes:

A little lesson in Civics seems to be in order here for a few who insist that the Bush and co are soley to blame for this problem.

1. The first amnesty for illegal alians was inacted under Jimmy Carter (A democratic for those to young to remember); So this is clearly not a problem that has just creeped up since Bush became president.

2. Although the President does submit a budget to congress, it is more or less a list of what he wants. The authority to draft the federal budget lays solely with the House of Representatives (controlled for the last several years by [guess real quick] the democratic party [234 vs 198 reps] ).

3. The President does not have the right of line item veto or additions to the budget drafted by the HOR and approved by both the HOR and Senat (49 Dems, 49 Rep and 2 Indies), only of approval through signature, or veto.

4. This being the case, it stands to reason, that the underfunding of the ICE is the fault of both parties. Bush has not requested more, and the Democratic congress has not given him federal budgets with increased spending in them.

However; This being America, we will decide our next President not on such important issues as these. We will concentrate on wether or not Obama is secretly and Muslim (and so what if he is) or if we should hold a mother responsible for the sexual activities of her 17 year old daughter (and how many of the contributors to this forum were born to similarly young mothers?),

We are to blame, the majority of american's do not participate in the political process. And sadly, many of those non-participates spend their time, spouting hate on sites such as these, and posing a true americans.
September 13, 2008

8:58 a.m.

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Sue3275 writes:

More funds were requested for ICE-----but Congress-----lead by Pelosi, Reid, Hispanic Caucus, Durbin, etc. voted AGAINST the increased funding!!

This happened about 3 months ago!!
September 13, 2008

9:57 a.m.

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carryBIGstick writes:

Please vote for Lord Jesus Obama, the Great, Divine, Almighty, The Truth the Light and the Way and he can heal you of your racist beliefs that have people of foriegn birth and different color of skin. We are all children of Obama and should treat people with love and kindness, not by prison because they crossed a 'border' that was made by racist hatred and cruelty!!!
September 13, 2008

10:05 a.m.

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carryBIGstick writes:

It saddens me on a emotional level to read all the hate towards people of darker skin. All because these wonderful souls wanted to bring themselves here. And we treat them of with hate and contempt. Why can't all of you stop being racist klan members and love these people. The crime commited here is the fault of all of us. Please forgive him and may we all live happily searving our Savior, Lord Jesus Obama, the Truth, the Light, and the Way.
September 13, 2008

8:47 p.m.

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redwhiteandBLUE writes:

We are all children of ..Obama ? Lord Jesus Obama ?
Ican't believe what I'm reading. Carrybigstick..wierd!
September 13, 2008

10:43 p.m.

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carryBIGstick writes:

To redwhiteandBLUE,
Please release your nationalist racist hatred, change your login to ONEOBAMANATION and join us in making the world safe for all under Lord Jesus Obama, The Great, Divine, Almighty, the Truth, The Light, and the Way.
September 14, 2008

6:30 p.m.

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carryBIGstick writes:

RickyLee,
This is obviously a lie by a white, anglo-saxon biggot posing as a latino. No self repecting latino would write such a hateful letter. Only white people are capable of such hatred.
Sir I plead with you, break away from your hatred and support LORD JESUS OBAMA, THE GREAT,DIVINE, ALMIGHTY, THE TRUTH, THE LIGHT, AND THE WAY.
September 15, 2008

1:56 a.m.

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redwhiteandBLUE writes:

carryBigstick
You've gotten distorted to think Lord Jesus Obama is the Great Divine, Almighty,The truth, the light and the way.
It is not Senator Obama! You've fallen off the deep end.
There is no hatred. But a love for OUR country, that is overrun
by criminals.

"only white people are capable of such hatred' you say.
White people/corporations/employers (who hire cheap labor)/
want all the illegals here.. and what 'ingrates ' they are to spew their hatre towards white people.

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Another illegal immigrant case rocks Aurora

By April M. Washington, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published September 11, 2008 at 7:12 p.m.

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