Report backs witness: Denver cop chased dog, shot it

Tillie Fongand Julie Poppen, Rocky Mountain News

Published September 11, 2008 at 10:53 p.m.

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Rocky, a 3-year-old Yellow Lab

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September 12, 2008

12:13 a.m.

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bryantp writes:

There needs to be some serious responsibility when officers use their guns, whether it's on people or animals. This sounds like overreaction from the police.
September 12, 2008

7:03 a.m.

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yaakovwatkins writes:

The implication that the the police are trigger happy fools who shoot dogs just because they are too lazy to do their job right is ridiculous. The officer knew that he would be subject to the entire world second guessing him because he drew his weapon.

A dog will treat different people differently. It may be very gentle with family members and vicious with strangers. It may be very threatening in uncertain situations. Particularly if it was always in the house, it may have felt threatened by everyone outside and have responded in an aggressive manner. And, like people, it can have totally irrational responses.

I had a dog which would consistently attack horses and dogs bigger than her. There never appeared to be a reason for it. Give the cop the benefit of the doubt.
September 12, 2008

7:35 a.m.

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KneeDeep writes:

The decision to use any kind of deadly force is grave. If the account of the witness is true, the dog was running from the officer, there is no way that he should have been shot! A cop that is that willing to use his firearm as described is one that should not be entrusted to have a weapon in the first place. This was a Lab, about as friendly a breed that there is. This is tragic, why wasn't a police report given on request? Does this cop have issues/fear dogs in the first place? No way should a shot have been fired, the least the cop should have done is wait for animal control to arrive!
September 12, 2008

7:41 a.m.

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hdfresh writes:

yaakovwatkins--According to the eyewitness, the officer was chasing the dog when it tried to get away from him. Rocky did not get shot when attempting to attack or be agressive with the officer. He was just trying to get away. Granted it may be his word against the officer's, but why would the witness lie? Sounds like the cop is trying to cover up for himself.
September 12, 2008

7:49 a.m.

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FU writes:

If the dog got run over by a car, this wouldn't even be a story. Keep your friggin' dog in your yard and he might still be alive. Bad owners!! Bad! Who's a bad owner?? Bad owner want a treat??
September 12, 2008

7:50 a.m.

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Domino writes:

yaakovwatkins writes:
"The implication that the the police are trigger happy fools who shoot dogs just because they are too lazy to do their job right is ridiculous. The officer knew that he would be subject to the entire world second guessing him because he drew his weapon."

Yes, it is ridiculous. But, that is what one policeman has been accused of. That accusation demands a complete and open hearing.

All shootings demand that openness - especially when the victim is a human. Too bad that never happens. And that secrecy is just one more reason that the DPD is not trusted.
September 12, 2008

7:56 a.m.

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SierraStorm writes:

yaakovwatkins writes: Give the cop the benefit of the doubt.

Yes, you are correct! Give cops the benefit of doubt because they (not all of course) are looking for a reason to kill you, or anything else in order to gain recognition within their group, or to satisfy their carrying a firearm. I have many occasions where I work with police of various agencies and most are very good but, there are those who carry a very big chip on their shoulder as a result of their supposed authority (not that they do not have authority), but that authority has limitations. Whether it is a dog, steer, or human, cops are not the most intelligent when it comes to control. Although they are very well trained, the training does not preclude that chip on their shoulder, or in some cases fear. There have been many killings by police that in my opinion could have be avoided, either of animals or people. I have faced a knife attacker and keeping a distance of 10 to 15 feet with nothing but my tactical light completed a full city block backing down an ally and finally found resolution at the end of the ally without physical harm to myself or the attacker. I think of several shootings in Denver and especially one in Lakewood where an Arapaho County Deputy sheriff shot and killed an unarmed fellow that was advancing on him. I seriously feel that with the availability of none or less than lethal implements available, namely a cell phone, tactical light, expandable baton, hand cuffs, or just running, and not to mention the numbers often available in reference to support, lethal action can be avoided. Although I carry a firearm, I have had several instances where lethal issues could have been deployed but found that words, lights, and batons work quite well thus lessening liability.
With regard to this issue of the dog, I am on the side of the dog. The cop, not a policeman could have kept an eye on the dog and waited for animal control or he himself should have called animal control.
September 12, 2008

8:13 a.m.

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FU writes:

Did the owner get a ticket for having two dogs off leash?
September 12, 2008

8:23 a.m.

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bira44 writes:

The officer felt "his life was threatened" ??? The dog probably had a pepsi can in his paw.
September 12, 2008

8:26 a.m.

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Monica030 writes:

Why didn't the cop use his beating stick instead?

Hit a dog with one of those a hard enough, it goes down (and they have plenty of practice taking people down like that, so it can't be hard to do it to a dog).

Too bad the dog ran too fast.

Chased a golden retriever and then shot it in the back...that cop must feel like a big strong man now.
September 12, 2008

8:56 a.m.

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heinis27 writes:

Ok. For one the cop did not chase after the dog just to shoot for a second time. The dog was coming at him. For two the dog was reported VISCOUS by neighbors. It's not like the dog was licking the ice cream off of the kiddies faces. He was viscous. For three, using the baton is a waste of time when a dog is about to attack. Would this had been different if the headline read, "Viscous dog attacks child, mom shoots, kills dog"? This act would be completely justified. The only difference is the fact that a cop shot. The life of a cop will always be far more important than the life of a viscous dog that attacks. It would have been put don eventually anyway.
September 12, 2008

9:09 a.m.

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B300 writes:

wow! assulting women, shooting dogs, I feel safe??
September 12, 2008

9:16 a.m.

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BMat writes:

bira44 - you're killing me. That's good stuff.

So a DPD officer shot a 3 yr old lab at less than 10 feet. He had to use 2 rounds and the dog still ran away and hid after he was shot.

Nice shot officer Barney Fife. You may now take that round out of your shirt pocket and join the other under-educated, over-zealous DPD officers around the campfire. Good Job!
September 12, 2008

9:18 a.m.

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CrazyDogOwner writes:

Isn't this the same department where a (thug) detective slammed a biker-guy's head into the concrete (and denied it)? Arrested an 80-year-old man at the bus stop during the DNC .. and shoved a TV Reporter into traffic ?

This ranks right up there with a news story from Maryland - Berwyn Heights Mayor Cheye Calvo's two labs shot dead during an Improper Drug Raid (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anthony...)

Hmmmmm... sounds like DPD needs a real shakedown.

I have many friends who are officers in other cities and towns, and I hear nothing but bad stuff about DPD.

I guess, in a smaller town, cops realize that they are a part of their community - not little Napoleon clones who disappear into the suburbs to live.
September 12, 2008

9:27 a.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

yaakov, give the police officer the benefit of the doubt?? I don't think so......... not when an eyewitness account, from someone who doesn't know the dog owner, is contrary to what the police officer says. It's likely the police officer thought nobody would see him shooting the dog, or that even if someone did, they'd think the officer was just doing his job. It seems like we're hearing more and more about officers who are committing criminal acts, and these are the guys were supposed to trust with our safety? Also, why is it the Denver police aren't making a copy of the report available to the owner? Are they spinning it on the report to make it appear justified? Maybe officers need to attend classes on how to handle dogs....... because if the excuse is that the dog growled, it's pretty lame. I've had dogs growl at me and then when I got close they were as submissive as a puppy who just got adopted.

I hope this officer hears complaint after complaint after complaint about this action, and that the DPD offices get inundated with calls denouncing the officer for what he did!
September 12, 2008

9:28 a.m.

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olsonmt writes:

When is the last time a lab (or retriever) killed someone?

I almost always side with cops in these situations, but this is rediculous. First, the old woman who called the cops about a "vicious" dog set the stage. The cop expected a vicious dog and clearly used poor judgement.

A dog turning and looking at you is hardly a threat. A dog taking a step towards you is hardly a threat. Hell, a dog nipping at you is hardly a threat. I've been bitten several times and have never once felt like my life was in danger.

Must have been a cop who's never had a dog. Had he then he would have known better.
September 12, 2008

9:35 a.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

crazydogowner, don't forget about the senior citizen at City Park having a seizure and the police tasered him because he wasn't responding to their commands. They even had the nerve to send him the medical bill to have the barbs removed.

heinis27....... only the police officer said he was afraid of the dog. The woman calling it in cannot prove the dog attacked her or her dog, or even made threatening movements towards her, so please explain how the dog was "viscious". This isn't about opinion, it's about the facts. There's the fact of the eyewitness account that the police officer's statements don't fit with.
September 12, 2008

9:40 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

This doesn't surprise me. Look at the cops that broke into a MD mayor's house on a case of mistaken identity, and then shot the dogs because they were (rightfully!) defending the home. http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_1...

It's ridiculous. Why can't police simply carry trank guns when they know they might be in a situation where they will encounter a dog?? ESPECIALLY when entering a home or responding to a vicious dog report?
September 12, 2008

9:44 a.m.

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Squatch writes:

Does this mean Denver will ban Labrador retrievers' within city limits because some lady walking her dog said it was vicious?

People have lost touch with common sense. Yes this guy was at fault because his dog got out but the women who called the police & the Police officer needed to use some common sense. This officer should have waited for the Animal control officer to do his or her job. The dog catcher wouldn’t chase down an armed suspect.

1. Dogs bark.
2. Dogs will run to other dogs to check them out if they aren’t leashed.
3. Dogs that are being chased around or cornered will defend themselves just like a Human would.
September 12, 2008

9:45 a.m.

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puckwheat writes:

A "viscous" lab?! I'm far from a dog person and I consider that a ridiculous assertion. I'd be more likely to believe it of the chihuahua/poodle.

Regardless, why aren't DPD officers being trained to use something less than lethal force when dealing with animals? Mace and tasers work just as well on dogs as they do on humans.

Here's hoping the dog's owner had a vet do a quick inspection regarding the entry direction of the bullet wound prior to cremating the dog, which would have revealed quite a bit about the respective postures of the dog and cop at the time of the shooting (e.g., whether the dog was facing the officer). If that inspection were to jibe with Mr. Quintana's account, I'd say the city is ripe for a suit under 42 USC 1983 (here, deprivation of a property right) for its systemic failure to properly train its officers. After all, it's not as though this is a first for the DPD:

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_6489546?...
September 12, 2008

9:47 a.m.

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MsValeriah writes:

Firstly, FU - it sounds (if you'd actually bothered to read the entire article) like the dog got out accidentally. You must be someone who doesn't like dogs very much, judging from the hostility of your comments. You're very mean-spirited.

The woman who called to report Rocky as a vicious dog is the one who started this whole deplorable situation. It does sound as if the particular officer in question suffered from Barney Fife syndrome, given the witnesses account of what happened. The DPD can be overly heavy-handed in its dealings with people (and evidently, innocent dogs as well). I've never been in trouble with the law and I've seen enough to know that. I'm generally supportive of law-enforcement types, but I've seen some of the Denver police bully people. That the department is being less than forthcoming in giving the owner the report is totally wrong.

My sympathy goes out to Rocky's family for the unnecessary loss of a beloved pet.
September 12, 2008

9:52 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

btw, in response to the argument about whether the dog was attacking or running from the officer, read the WHOLE article. The police state the dog "threatened" the officer. However, a witness clearly says that the police officer was BEHIND (i.e. chasing) the dog, with the dog running away, when he shot it. Therefore the police is full of cr*p to say that the officer involved felt "threatened" - how threatened can you be if the threat is running FROM you!!

I will normally support the police since they have a tough job, and many cases civilians slam them without understanding the situation. However, on the flip side, some police do get on a power trip and abuse their authority. Which is a shame, because it's using only a few, but tarnishes the whole. Unfortunately, that seems to be the case here. The officer seems to be covering his butt. What probably happened is that he got the report of a vicious dog, saw the dog, saw it running away, and thought to himself that he couldn't let it get away, so chose to shoot it.
September 12, 2008

9:56 a.m.

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almostarmy2003 writes:

Poor dog was trying to pull out his wallet to show ID, way to go DPD some guy got shot and killed at Sonic while you were chasing down this "Vicious Dog"
September 12, 2008

9:58 a.m.

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CrazyDogOwner writes:

Puckwheat ... I just read that link ... Holy Crap ! Talk about the Denver Gestapo !

Shoot a dog .. .and leave it to writhe in pain ...to die ... while animal control is called to come to the rescue. How long did that take to pay the tab at the donut shop before they got to the house? Fortunately, the animal survived. Also, the owner was handcuffed for playing music too loud at home ?

I have only lived in Denver for two years (moved from Atlanta - where the police shoot 92-year-old ladies for being suspected druggies...).

When a mountain lion gets into someone's neighborhood .. don't folks call the DOW ? Or do they call the DPD to come execute the feline ?
September 12, 2008

9:58 a.m.

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kot writes:

"He also asked if anyone was hurt, and that a police officer told him 'no" and added, "Aren't you glad he didn't hurt anybody?' "

So...what...does the officer want a freaking medal?!

There were other ways to handle that situation. They taser people can't they taser dogs, if it was as 'vicious' as he says.
September 12, 2008

9:59 a.m.

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my3pugs writes:

Some police divide the world into three groups:
1. Police
2. Scumbags
3. Probable scumbags

and apparently into:
1. Police Dogs
2. Vicious Dogs
3. Dead Dogs
September 12, 2008

10:04 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

What really scares me is not so much dogs running loose being shot, but dogs being shot in the owner's home (two links on this page). I'm wondering what one can do to avoid that happening, in the event the police come on a mistaken call or something- heaven forbid, while you're not at home.

My service dog is an over-sized German Shepherd, and VERY well trained- she's super affectionate and wants to lick everyone to death (even strangers). AND she's a wuss- she runs and hide between my legs when scared. Most people think it's hilarious in a dog her size and breed because they have this perception that large dogs and German Shepherds are attack dogs. I can just see some moron cop coming in my house (like in those two stories) and shooting her just because she's a huge German Shepherd. I shouldn't have to worry about that in my own home!

Ideas? Comments?
September 12, 2008

10:07 a.m.

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CrazyDogOwner writes:

Oh..... I hate to bring this one up ....

Sarah Palin - don't come to Denver - especially if the Denver PD is in charge of your security.

A pitbull with lipstick..... Let's hope that the DPD's Dog Patrol is off when she visits. Those idiots may loose it when they see her.
September 12, 2008

10:07 a.m.

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mytwosense writes:

Wow. Chasing a terrified dog that is running for its life just so you can shoot it. I don't care if the shooter wore a badge and a uniform, that doesn't hide the fact that only a cruel individual would do such a thing. One can only imagine what this cop has probably done to PEOPLE.

And Fiesty, I agree, it is cops like this that give the rest a bad name. It's a stress-inducing, often thankless job, but a lot of other cops manage to handle it with integrity and competence.

But some people should just never be allowed on the police force, period. I wonder if they even screen these people for potential mental health issues???
September 12, 2008

10:11 a.m.

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NotUrFriend writes:

Fiesty:

Pray. God knows that cops are human too, and sadly, can be prone to expressing their 'power.' Sometime this means shoving a reporter into oncoming traffic, arresting an elderly, harmless citizen expressing his constuititional freedoms, or shoting a dog running away for its life.

My advise is keep your dog in your house when your gone. I do that to mine, though I'd like to leave them out. But its hard to trust people, give them a gun and that distrust only grows. Badge or not.

I.
September 12, 2008

10:12 a.m.

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joly writes:

My sympathies to Rocky's family. I hope they are given the answers they deserve and the police dept is accountable for. It is heartbreaking poor Rocky was just trying to escape from harm. It is a travesty for the citizens of Denver the police dept does not have patience or the willingness to exert themselves physically. Based on the eyewitness account and the fact that Rocky was a yellow lab, it appears the officer did not want to bother waiting for animal control or chase Rocky. It was easier to shoot Rocky. The Denver police use shooting to often to solve problems. Perhaps this officer wanted "target practice".
September 12, 2008

10:14 a.m.

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mytwosense writes:

fiesty writes: "What really scares me is not so much dogs running loose being shot, but dogs being shot in the owner's home (two links on this page). I'm wondering what one can do to avoid that happening, in the event the police come on a mistaken call or something- heaven forbid, while you're not at home."

I read an article about a family that was traveling on vacation with their dog. They got pulled over by a cop for either speeding, or a license plate check, I can't remember. But the dog naturally started barking at the cop - who shot and killed it.

They keep getting away with this, despite all the public outrage. And that is a clear demonstration of closing the ranks to protect one of their own, even if that person was in the wrong.

As for your situation, I'd put one of those stickers on your door that asks first responders/fire departments to rescue your pets. First, that will alert the police there is a dog in your home, and second, the wording of the sticker might remind them they are supposed to be first responders, not animal killers. One can hope, anyway.

You might also want to keep a large kennel on hand to put your pooch in if a cop knocks on your door. Of course, that will only help if you're actually at home to keep your dog in there. Because you wouldn't want to keep your dog locked up in a kennel all day when you're not home.
September 12, 2008

10:14 a.m.

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NotUrFriend writes:

IF the account of the witness is true it IS indeed something to question. A person who would willing, for joy or otherwise, kill or torture an animal has a Deceased mind that should not hold any position in protecting the public. Such a twisted, sick mind should not even be permitted a firearm even for self defense purpose. It takes a rational mind, capable of adjusting in a split second and appropriately able to assess his/her environment in a mature fashion in order to AVOID this EXACT type of conclusion when using a firearm. I sincerely believe the discharge of this officer’s firearm was uncalled for and should thoroughly be reviewed. Even if its conclusion is merely shown to the grieving owners and not publically shown!

I grieve with you, and for Rocky. But the end could and SHOULD have been avoided by you, the owner. You confessed that the dogs had gotten out several (or more) times before and yet you took no action to avoid a future repeat. I feel very sorry this has happened but the fault is dually on your heads and the officers cruel act.

I.
September 12, 2008

10:19 a.m.

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FU writes:

MsValeriah - I love dogs, but can't stand bad dog owners. You make it sound like the dog "accidentally" fell out of the yard and ended up out on the streets, like falling out of a boat.

Owners fault!

And, I love when people always say "he was a sweet loving dog"... Yes, to you because the dog knows you, but maybe not to others on the street. If you have a bad dog, other people shouldn't have to put up with it and cops shouldn't need to waste their time chasing dogs. There's plenty of real crime to enforce in this neighborhood.
September 12, 2008

10:21 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

NotUrFriend - you missed what my worry was. I DO keep my dog in the house at all times- my concern is having my dog shot IN my own home! We linked to two other recent stories where the police ENTERED a person's HOME (in one case, with a no-knock warrant that ended up being a mistaken identity) and killed the dogs. I know the possibility is remote, but this is the third story in the matter of mere months so now I'm worried.

The obvious solution would be the police having protocols for dealing with dogs if they must enter the premises, such as a trank. But they don't. Until they do, I'm trying to think of how to protect my dogs in my own home. Perhaps put a sign on the door? "Police- be advised there are dogs in this home. DO NOT ENTER without a PLAN to non-fatally deal with my dogs." Something like that? Ridiculous I should have to worry about this! But I bet that mayor would have said the same!
September 12, 2008

10:22 a.m.

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NotUrFriend writes:

mytwosense,

Nice! Good advise for all of us!

I.
September 12, 2008

10:30 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

mytwosense- you read my mind! I have one of those little 4" stickers on my door that lets firefighters know how many and what kind of pets you have. I was just thinking about making a larger sign on florescent paper. The kennel idea won't do any good if the police entered on a no-knock like they did to that mayor. I normally only put my dog's service vest on her outside the house, but maybe I need to start keeping it on her at home too. Maybe the combo (sign on door and vest) will make any potential police think twice. A trained service dog normally costs about $20,000. Hopefully this is all a moot point since I've never been involved with police (outside my augmentee duty as one while active duty)- never been pulled over, gotten a ticket (moving or non), had police come to my house, etc.

I really think police need to develop firm protocols for responses involving the possibility of encountering dogs, such as carrying tranks. Any ideas on how we can make this a reality? Who do we contact?
September 12, 2008

10:34 a.m.

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NotUrFriend writes:

Fiesty,

I’m sorry, I did not notice you had prior posts. Yes, I’m familiar with the case in MD, and I actually did my part by mailing, faxing, emailing, and calling to express my extreme anger over that. A lot of stuff there DID NOT add up to any rational, thinking person. It was purely evil.

Law enforcements do generally have codes/protocols of conduct when dealing with animals but in the end it’s the officers call. Which is a lot of the problem. They make the call and get away with bad ones along with good ones. We need to work together to end that before more families suffer this sad conclusion.

I.
September 12, 2008

10:40 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

FU- so very true.
1. I HATE irresponsible dog owners, because it's always the dog that pays the price.
2. Dog owners can't forget that dogs are animals and unpredictable, so should always be vigilant. The same dog that is always "gentle and loving" might have an unexplainable outburst and attack a child.
3. The same reason a dog is "gentle and loving" around family members is why he will attack strangers- because he is defending them.
September 12, 2008

10:43 a.m.

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FU writes:

Thank you fiesty! First person on here with a brain.
September 12, 2008

10:44 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

mytwosense - do you have more details on that vacation trip shooting? I'm thinking about putting together a list of incidents, and possibly contacting whatever national organization for police officers exist.
September 12, 2008

10:50 a.m.

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NotUrFriend writes:

Fiesty,

Thats a great idea. Can you include me on that list? I'd be happy to help you re-search this issue.

I.
September 12, 2008

10:50 a.m.

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Fred writes:

It is my humble opinion that Rocky’s owner holds SOLE responsibility for his death.

As previously stated, had Rocky been hit by a car this wouldn’t be a story. A dog running loose in a densely populated area is a recipe for disaster.

Rocky could have killed a motorcyclist simply by being hit as he crossed the road unattended by his owners.

By the way, all of you clamoring about “Lab’s” not being vicious might want to check the breed specific bite incidents in Aurora last year. Yup….Labs bit more people last year then any other breed.

All that being said if the eye witness account is credible, the officer should be removed from the police force. It sure sounds to me that he was simply looking for a reason to discharge his firearm.

Police officers HAVE to be held to a higher standard in EVERYTHING they do. If you want to enforce the laws…you better make sure your stuff doesn’t stink.
That means you, Mr. Police officer jay walking downtown. Yes, I’m talking to you Mr. Police officer running red lights without your sirens on and only heading to meet your fellow officers for coffee. If the average citizen would be ticketed or arrested for something and you do it on a regular bases…running stop signs, jay walking, going the wrong way down one way streets….
You get the point, you should lead BY EXAMPLE. If you choose not to and get caught, the penalty should be doubled because you are “in a position of authority” and abused that position.
September 12, 2008

10:53 a.m.

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mytwosense writes:

Fiesty, here is the article and there is actually an accompanying video and audio track. I have to warn you, just reading the article is extremely upsetting. What this family went through is nothing less than a nightmare unfolding in slow motion, and they were literally helpless to stop it.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/09/poli...
September 12, 2008

10:58 a.m.

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mytwosense writes:

And here is the youtube link if you can't open up the CNN video. The shooting happens towards the end, and the cries of the family are literally almost impossible to hear without getting tears in your eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv0T2X...
September 12, 2008

11:02 a.m.

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Willy writes:

My lab would have been dangerous to the cop. He would have drooled all over the sidewalk and the flatfoot would have slipped and fallen on his fat rear.
September 12, 2008

11:04 a.m.

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CUBUFFinAZ writes:

OK...Shoot a dog that was barking at it's "partner" dog probably sniffing the butt of some old lady' dog. The darn dog was probably speaking Dog to tell the other to stop acting like a fool. Old Lady gets scared, says the Lab is vicious. And near a school..Bravo DPS, especially near let out time. Just what little Jimmy needs to see.. a dog in a pool of blood. I have a better use for the ammo used. Shoot the Drug Dealers, and Gang-Bangers that hang out near the schools because someone "flashed" signs...or Goodness forbid recruiting new members. Oh wait, there is a communist lobby for criminals called the ACLU that would sue until the cows came home over that. Why not get the ASPCA lawyers involved in this? I think there were some Puppy rights violated by the fuzz. If this cop is so gun happy come down here to Phoenix and clean up our illegals. I know you have had issues up there in the last week making headlines. But, hell, that's an everyday occurance down here. BTW Gold Canyon Candles was raided yesterday. 80 undocumented or fraudulent ( stolen SSN #'s ) illegals working for them. And, not one dog shot.
September 12, 2008

11:05 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

NotUrFriend - will do. I will spend a few days looking for news stories on like incidents, then will post a summary here. Make sure you remember to check back here in a day or so to get it.
September 12, 2008

11:10 a.m.

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wyhammertime writes:

youtube shows a police officer tazing a dog. Worth checking out !!Pepperspray works too ?? I remember I bluetick hound got labeled an Attack dog LOL LOL
September 12, 2008

11:14 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

mytwosense- OMG!!! I can feel my blood thumping in my neck. That family begged them to close the car door so the dog wouldn't jump out and get hit by traffic, and they were ignored. The dog jumps out, PLAYING on the shoulder, and the cops just shot him... That story is so horrible.
September 12, 2008

11:20 a.m.

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GladysKravitz writes:

This sickens me....this is where cops go too far!!!!
September 12, 2008

11:22 a.m.

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mytwosense writes:

I know, it's horrific. I almost didn't want to post it, but people have to know this stuff is happening. If you get pulled over and you have a dog with you, beware!

It's a sad day in America when we actually have to worry about this sort of thing, but we do. I don't have a Pollyanna view of the police, but time was we really did think they were there mostly to protect and serve. Not to handcuff us and then make us watch our beloved pets get shot before our very eyes.

That family had children in the car, too, who witnessed this horror. Can you imagine how they will feel about the police for the rest of their lives? And can you believe the worst these cops have to face is just a potential lawsuit that the department - i.e., the TAXPAYERS - will pick up the tab for?
September 12, 2008

11:22 a.m.

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NotUrFriend writes:

Fiesty:

Heres my email please contact me via the email.

i1941g@aol.com

Thanks!

I.
September 12, 2008

11:30 a.m.

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cdmdenver writes:

Denver Police Review Board
I thought Denver had an independent
Review Board?

You NEVER hear anything from them?
Maybe they are too busy having lunches,
and cocktails sponsored by DPD.

Denver DPD NEEDS a true Independent Review Board!
September 12, 2008

11:31 a.m.

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rkoehler writes:

"Kelley said the dog was not licensed but apparently did have a collar and tags that disappeared after the shooting."

Did the police remove the tags and collar?
September 12, 2008

11:33 a.m.

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Cowboy63 writes:

DirkDiggler writes: "I'm so glad they can shoot a little girl's "dangerous" pet, but can't keep someone who has been arrested 16 times of the streets."

You got that right Brother!

The owner deserve some of the blame for letting his dog out of the yard, but a "cluster of police"? How many cops does it take to round up one loose Yellow Lab?

"Cluster" is sure the correct description in this case!
September 12, 2008

11:36 a.m.

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rkoehler writes:

Rumors have been floating about that the dog illegally entered the country from Mexico after being deported at least twice. His tags may have been forged too. The dog also failed to appear in court for several hearings and had numerous warrants for his arrest. Where was ICE when all this took place?
September 12, 2008

11:38 a.m.

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LuckySkunk writes:

I totally believed that Officer. I’m sure that he truly believes that that the dog was snarling at him and felt in fear for his life. It is easy to mistaken the vicious back end of a dog with the front end in the heat of battle or during the excitement of the chase. Or it could all be blamed on the steroids.

The only good news is that the witness was not considered vicious by the Officer. I wonder if this was caught on video. It could be a source of income for DPD. Well done DPD.
September 12, 2008

11:43 a.m.

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treecat writes:

Video at 10:00?
September 12, 2008

11:46 a.m.

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RealifeTauren writes:

If the cop hadn't been walking around in circles, with hands tucked under his armpits and flapping his elbows, making duck noises, that Labrador would have left him alone and still be alive today.

Let THAT be a lesson!
September 12, 2008

11:47 a.m.

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rkoehler writes:

According to neighborhood reports, Rocky was heavily involved with a gang of illegal Mexican Chihuahuas who had rampaged throughout the neighborhood. They had been involved in crimes from yipping loudly to knocking over homeowners garbage cans! Local ICE spokesmen refuse to comment on the developing situation.
September 12, 2008

11:56 a.m.

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johnson writes:

Someone reports a "vicious dog" and the police feel justified in shooting at it ACROSS THE STREET FROM A MIDDLE SCHOOL???????? I guess this cop is such an expert marksman he didn't have to worry about ricochets or stray bullets. I wonder how many of the middle schoolers got to watch this happen. I think I'll report my obnoxious neighbor as "vicious" and have the cops come and shoot him.
September 12, 2008

11:58 a.m.

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CrazyDogOwner writes:

I guess we do need to have some compassion for the officer involved.

The officer was most likely upset that he was taken away his normal duties .... like .... slamming some poor biker's teeth into the pavement - or rounding up those illegals - or body-slamming 80-year-old men (who may be WW2 vets).

I guess the remaining "cluster" came up to offer their condolences to the young officer for having to discharge his firearm.

"Ummmm sarge ... I saw the tail ... I thought it was aggressive ... Ummmm.... I think Fido may have accidentally ran into the path of my bullet" ... "that's okay, son. We'll promote you to detective. You will be slamming heads into the pavement before you know it."
September 12, 2008

11:59 a.m.

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CO_Libertarian writes:

I think what most people are overlooking here is the fact that this dog owner is taking no responsibility for their dog. Yes, it's tragic to lose a family pet like that. But a pet owner is ultimately responsible for their dog. What would they be saying if someone had swerved their car to avoid hitting this dog and the driver died or hit someone else who died or was seriously injured? Who would they blame then?

I think instead of wasting the taxpayers money on a lawsuit, this family needs to consider how they can keep their pets in their yard and take responsibility for them. I'm sorry for their loss, but I think the focus on how the police handled it is inappropriate.
September 12, 2008

12:14 p.m.

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CrazyDogOwner writes:

CO_Libertarian - I actually agree 50% with you.... and 100% with Fred.

The owner IS totally responsible for maintaining control of his dog.

I own a lab. I am responsible. I also realize, with said ownership, that if my animal were to bite or injure someone that I could be held legally responsible.

Pet ownership is more than ensuring the physical health of the pet.

The underlying message is that we are sick and tired of the lower, bad part (third/eight/quarter) of the police force making the good part look bad.

I have friends who wear the badge. I pray for them. They are my friends .. they are our guardians (some are .... we think).

But.... there are those bad cops who need to be dealt with ... work security somewhere (?) - flip pancakes or burgers - who just can't handle the real-life pressures of being a police officer.

Understand ... no .. and I mean no .... cop-bashing from me. Yes, I wrote a lampoon (above), but only to this situation.

I think that something must be done to put a stop to this madness.

You only get one chance to say your innocent - like the family who watched in horror as their dog is immediately blasted into extinction on the side of the highway. I hate to think it .. but I can almost be that the sicko cop actually laughed about the incident as he was trying to lighten the situation with his buddies (...you should have heard and seen that family). Just Evil.

Tell Kathryn Johnston's family back in Atlanta that the cops just "over-reacted". 92-years-old. Dead. Cops planted drugs. Cops paid the price. Read the Article: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/0...

4-years for KILLING someone's grandmother, someone's mother.
September 12, 2008

12:15 p.m.

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primafacie writes:

It was "running for its life"? Yeah, right.

"Why would the witness lie?" Don't know. Why would a cop invent an excuse to chase down a dog and shoot it without provocation?

Many times I wish I was packing when, on a bike ride, I've been chased by a dog and forced into a ditch. Or when my neighbor lets her dog out to relieve himself and stink up the yard. Or when my in-laws' smelly dog wipes his muddy paws on my clothes.
September 12, 2008

12:31 p.m.

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September 12, 2008

12:50 p.m.

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Monica030 writes:

"Why would a cop invent an excuse to chase down a dog and shoot it without provocation?"

Why would a cop jump up and down on young boy's chest when he was already clearly incapacitated?

I can see no reason for this, and yet it happened (not far from where the dog was shot, I might add).

Power-hungry abusers do not need a rational justification for their actions. Searching for one is a waste of everyone's time.

So, primafacie, please take noturfriend's advice and think before you type. Thanks.
September 12, 2008

12:57 p.m.

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RockyMtnMac writes:

Holy Cow!
You know the Denver PD screwed up pretty bad when Cwillyrun, Cowboy63, and I all agree with Mytwosense!
Way to go Denver!
Way To Go !
September 12, 2008

1:09 p.m.

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FU writes:

Fresh - what do you want the cop to do, belly-rub the dog to sleep, then drive him back home like a drunk Carmello? Then a week later the dog gets out again, bites a child and people will be crying that the cops DIDN'T shoot the dog.

I'm not a big fan of cops, but they just can't win. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
September 12, 2008

1:19 p.m.

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Salchak_Toka writes:

Fresh:
How silly of you. The police are allowed to arbitrarily shoot anything and anyone they please.
September 12, 2008

1:39 p.m.

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NotUrFriend writes:

FU,

There are many more child molesters, who, I am prabably wrong, I think may constiutite a bigger threat too our children than a wild, aggressively dangerous hand licking, belly rub seeking golden here.

Call me nutty, but I suppose you'd oppose shootin them and support the dog shootin instead.

I.
September 12, 2008

1:51 p.m.

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heinis27 writes:

The dog deserved it. Eye witness accounts don't hold up in court for a reason... And you are correct, my mispelling, "vicious". At least I am capable of admitting when I am wrong, I still have yet to hear whether this would be a justified response if it had not been an officer that was being attacked?If it had not been an officer to shoot? Any takers? Would it be ok if it had been the average joe trying to protect himself?
September 12, 2008

1:54 p.m.

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FU writes:

NotUrFriend - Great, completely unrelated, point.

Here's a different way to look at it. Why don't they just shoot the children, then dogs and molesters can roam the streets without endangering anyone...
September 12, 2008

2:04 p.m.

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heinis27 writes:

Fresh writes:

" until the dog gets out again and bites a child " is hyperbole at best and warrents NO response since there is no evidence of this occuring !!!

No response because you know the answer. The officers actions were correct. And you are unwilling to say it.
September 12, 2008

2:05 p.m.

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rkoehler writes:

Eyewitness accounts note that Rocky the illegal immigrant dog was wielding a switchblade in his front paws and his tail when confronting the officer. Given these facts, it appears the officer acted appropriately. It is not yet known whether ICE had placed a hold on Rocky or knew of his repeated entries to the USA.
September 12, 2008

2:09 p.m.

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FU writes:

Fresh - are you going to vote for a tax increase to pay for "doggy wrangling" classes that all cops will need to attend? How else do you expect them to know the proper method to subdue a dog?
September 12, 2008

2:15 p.m.

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NotUrFriend writes:

FU,

We're finally on the same page here. Remove the root cause (The police) and the rest works itself out. :)

I.
September 12, 2008

2:21 p.m.

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NotUrFriend writes:

Fresh,

Your right. If the animal (humans included, FU) is a direct, and unavoidable threat, do what is necessary for the safety of all. I'd not lose ten minutes of sleep shoting a grown man dead if the cause was needed, but its all about cause. If the dog was a threat (and it appears not to of been) than the officer was jusitifed. But saying something as stupid sounding as "why would a cop lie?" is like saying "I did not have sexual relationships with that ........" on national tv and admitting guilt a few months later (also on national tv).

FU's a bit of an dumb**s but he has some good points people. Keep your pets under control, because like kids they will be shot on site by cops.

I.
September 12, 2008

2:25 p.m.

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Really writes:

Once again we are blaming the wrong people... The owners of the dogs are the root cause of this issue. Had the dog not been out the NEIGHBORS would not have CALLED for the police to respond. Give the owners a ticket, let them pick up there dead dog and be on your way. I bet they won't let their next dog run free. Good luck suing the city... Maybe they will give you $65 to go to DDFL and get a new dog. Or better yet maybe they will give you a gift certificate good for one free dog!!
September 12, 2008

2:26 p.m.

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rkoehler writes:

Las versiones del testigo observan que rocoso el perro del inmigrante ilegal manejaba un switchblade en sus patas delanteras y su cola al enfrentar al oficial. Dado estos hechos, aparece que actuaba el oficial apropiadamente. Todavía no se sabe si el HIELO había puesto un asimiento en rocoso o lo sabía de sus entradas repetidas a los E.E.U.U.
September 12, 2008

2:26 p.m.

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FU writes:

Thanks NotUrFriend, I'm a dum bass that makes good points.
September 12, 2008

2:53 p.m.

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NotUrFriend writes:

FU,

Thats the best kind of Dum * b***! Your a good guy.

I.
September 12, 2008

3:06 p.m.

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OhBrother writes:

Why can you even call the police for stuff like this? It's a friggin dog not a bomb threat- the only thing that should have happened is 1 police unit gets sent to who ever called them for this non-sense to simply arrest this person for attempting to waste police time and tax payer money. Animal control should be the only people that respond to stuff like this - and why would more than one cop come anyways? Seriously, should I call police next time a stray cat looks like it might scratch me..but didn't yet? How can this be acceptable in any way…

Oh, and these peoples dog actually got shot by an on duty officer who wasn’t actually preventing or investigating any crime, other than a dangerous LOOKING dog? Yeah sounds like up a bang up job…all in an honest days work I guess

Whoever says this is all the owner of the dog’s fault is not thinking clearly. Unless they can prove the owner did not take steps to prevent the dog from escaping or that this has happened numerous times and can prove owner negligence then the owner can’t predict the dog is going to get loose and hurt anyone (or just look like it MIGHT). Again- it’s a friggin dog and sometimes dogs do get loose regardless of what it’s owner does...but i guess we should just shot any dog on the loose now, shouldn't we?
September 12, 2008

3:09 p.m.

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heinis27 writes:

Fresh: I'm sorry, but you are so wrong on this one. I was there. I watched the dog, I heard the call, I saw the officer. It was completely justified. But I guess you can believe what the media says. And I MAKE UP the facts of the case. Just because there was only one witnessed interviewed doesn't mean there were others. Something to think about.
September 12, 2008

3:19 p.m.

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FU writes:

I was there too! The dog actually peed on the cops foot. He was totally justified in shooting it.
September 12, 2008

3:34 p.m.

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heinis27 writes:

Sorry to the family, but the first shot was in the mouth. The dog came at the officer with an open mouth. The officer shot a second round into the dogs back. Before hand the officer had been flagged down by two people. DPD had also received several calls about this dog in the past. The officer called it in stating that he was at the high school with the dog and that school was going to be let out in ten minutes. Animal control was also called TWICE. DPD made the effort. They called animal control, stayed with the dog, until it attacked. So again, the good old lab deserved it. Is this good enough for you? I'm sure it's not, but can you say "ride along". I actually back up my comments with real facts. This is why you never want to fully believe everything you read or the "do as I say, not as I do" liberals and liberal media. :)
September 12, 2008

3:36 p.m.

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NotUrFriend writes:

Heinis:

Your lying. THAT would have been THE VERY first THING out of your MOUTH;

"I was present, saw the dog, saw the officer, totally jusitified"

You wouldn't have waited a dozen plus postings before mentioning that.

God I hate Lairs. Especially stupid ones who dont cover their tracks. Stupid Lair!

I.
September 12, 2008

3:44 p.m.

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heinis27 writes:

I thought you were going to research it? You are incredibly pathetic! Didn't even put up a fight, somebody proved you wrong and you are still unable to admit it. LOL. Shuting you up, totally made my day. LOL. Research it, all true buddy, whether you like it or not. LOL Thanks for the laugh. LOL. I'd love to debate you anytime. Since you have no substance behind your comments. Democrat I'm sure. I absolutely love DPD! LOL
September 12, 2008

3:47 p.m.

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NotUrFriend writes:

Heinis,

I'll be contacting you back when I research this further independantly. You've aroused curiousity and I want my own closure that this was justified, not your word.

Thank you for the information.

I.
September 12, 2008

3:54 p.m.

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heinis27 writes:

Of course NotUrFriend. Hope it opened some eyes. Any doubts or questions please post them. I'd rather people know the truth instead of believe everything that is written. I truly believe that many officers get the sour end of media and the truth tends to be put aside because it's not as controversial as a cop shooting an innocent, kind, dog for no reason.
September 12, 2008

3:54 p.m.

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FU writes:

Wait, people can lie on the internet?
September 12, 2008

4:24 p.m.

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happymike44 writes:

I own a large dog and he is as important to me as a member of my human family.
I can tell you no on and I mean no one better harm him.
If a police officer was to injure or murder my dog it would lead to a civil suit as fast as you can say doggy,doggy.
I would make that officer prove beyond the shadow of a doubt.
That my dog bit him or presented a threat.
Also if the officers broke into my house and harmed my dog.
I would not back down on filng a trespass charge and arrest the officers involved.
Restraining order would be the next thing to file against the officer.
Otherwise I would keep the oficer busy and remind him of his failure to handle his job properly.
By the way most dogs when chased think it is a game and will run away from you.
This poor dog did not understand not all people like or care about the feelings of a animal.
My heart goes out for the little five old girl who had her dog murdered by some jackboot thug.
D.P.D. stop murdering helpless household pets it might improve your value to the citizens of Denver.
September 12, 2008

4:25 p.m.

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wyhammertime writes:

It was a terrorist dog bomb and the cop was going to save Denver ! Didn't you see the switch in it's paw ????
September 12, 2008

4:33 p.m.

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JustSayin writes:

See the loose lost family dog.
See the spineless neighbor lady call the cops because she saw a loose lost family dog.
See the big tough cop yell at the loose lost family dog.
See the loose, lost family dog react how lost dogs sometimes do when yelled at by strangers, perhaps with a bark or show of it's teeth.
See the big tough cop melt into a scared little girly-man.
See the scared little girly-man shoot the dog - twice.
See the dog bleed and die.
See the scared little girly-man seek shelter with his cop buddies.
See the cop buddies rally around the scared little girly-man.
See the dog owner arrive on the scene.
See the dog owner vilified by the cop buddies with implied threats that he could be in trouble.
See the cops release a report making the little girly-man appear justified and courageous.
Expect to see the sequel to this next week, next month, next year.
Expect the cops to always rally around their little girly-men, whether they shoot dogs, mentally challenged youths, people sleeping in their beds, or people inside houses raided by mistake.
Don't expect this to change.

Is anyone surprised by this story?
September 12, 2008

4:44 p.m.

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heinis27 writes:

Excuse me the school was Horace Mann. I'm sorry my mistake high school, middle school whatever. There were children in the area. Any other comments that make a liar? Maybe you should lookup the time of the call again. Like I said. I actually back up my comments with facts. I have nothing to lie about. So you can keep asking anything you want and believe me I have the answer for it. I was there! LOL
September 12, 2008

5:34 p.m.

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Fred writes:

heinis27 has been exposed by Fresh....and the newly released details. It now appears the cop will be charged with something.

Heinis,
Go ahead and register a new name. Yours is mud.
September 12, 2008

5:52 p.m.

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RoloFan writes:

OK, someone wrote "Labs bit more people last year in Aurora."

Do you know which breed of dog is the most popular in the US?

Labrador Retriever. And it's not even close. There are millions of Labs in this country, so, if you are only counting the number of bites, no the percentage of Labs who bite, Labs might lead the list because there are so many of them. But that in no way validates they are vicious. But that doesn't mean a Lab won't stand up for themselves(because they will) and it doesn't mean a Lab isn't capable of being sick or mistreated which might make them more likely to bite. Or bred improperly.

BTW, the CDC doesn't agree with that assessment. Pit Bulls are the dog most likely to bite and cause serious injury.
September 12, 2008

5:52 p.m.

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CrazyDogOwner writes:

Hmmmmm..... so now... the "official" police report is out.

Seems the dog was running - terrified - because a maniac cop (presumably a rookie) with a gun was after him. A maniac who has a license to kill - dogs, humans ... anything living.

Seems animal control was not notified until AFTER the dog was dispatched. Why call animal control?? They would only burn up good city fuel to get there.....

I bet this cop gets promoted to detective. He's apparently ripe for that duty if you compare him to Det. Michael Cordova. He'll make a great detective for the *DENVER* pd.

I mean .... why tell the truth on your police report anyway ? After all ... cops has the final say, right? All of us citizens are lying scum.

"Dog? Yeah .... it attacked me ... so I killed it"

"Biker? He flipped my hat off my head ... so I had to pound his teeth out -- and then arrest him."

"80-year-old man? He looked at me wrong ... so I had to take him down"

Be afraid...... be very afraid. These thugs have a badge and a gun. Their word versus ours. What's worse is that their superiors back them up.

Nice.
September 12, 2008

6:38 p.m.

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Fred writes:

Rolofan,
No offense...but I find no reason to take any advise or opinions at all from someone ignorant enough to be a "fan" of a vicious GS.
Rolo should be pushing up daisies right now.
Your type is why Americans are eventually going to ban private ownership of dogs. You put dogs above humans and don’t believe in personal responsibility.
September 12, 2008

6:39 p.m.

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heinis27 writes:

Ok people. The dog had to be followed in order for the officer to tell animal control the location of the dog. Duh! If the officer had ignored the dog and allowed him to continue roaming and later attacked anyone else that officer would be then held responsible for the attack and his actions would be questioned. Just think out of the box. Why isn't animal control being questioned for their lack of response. They were called twice. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. It was still justified.
September 12, 2008

7:14 p.m.

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cdmdenver writes:

Heinis 27, probablly a Denver Cop!
September 12, 2008

7:35 p.m.

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RoloFan writes:

People who don't know dogs assume that if they are running loose, they are threat to you. Some dogs may be. No one is saying you should walk up to an unfamiliar dog. There are enough mixes out there (PitBull/Lab, Husky/Lab, Shephard/Lab) that you could easily mistake one type of dog for another. But to chase a dog (stimulates the "Prey Instinct") is only encouraging the dog to act bad. Yelling at the dog and acting in a threatening way stimulates them to act defensively. It sounds like this particular dog was playing a game of "You can't catch me", which is how dogs play with each other (I've seen my dogs play this game with each other often enough). Stop chasing him and the game's over. Keep an eye on him, and shoot if you think he's a direct threat to someone, but don't chase him. Call animal control. If they can't entice him to come, they can certainly tranquilize him, but most family dogs (like a Lab) will come if you are friendly and offer them a treat. Most Labs LOVE people, which is why they are so popular.

Watch a shows on Animal Planet where they show animal control officers picking up loose dogs all the time. They rarely have to resort to a gun to capture an errant dog.
September 12, 2008

7:50 p.m.

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Fred writes:

Rolo,
Dogs running loose in a densely populated area ARE a threat for many reasons including but not limited to attacks.
They cause car accidents and motorcycle accidents. They have NO business running loose in an urban environment and every time something happens to them it is the owners sole responsibility.

Again, its attitudes like yours that will eventually lead to us good dog owners being forbidden from owning our beloved dogs.

Your completely biased preaching and actions do more harm then good. Thank yourself when the people come after your dog/breed.

BTW I find it hilarious that you've gained your expert knowledge from TV!

I must be an E.R. doctor because my favorite show used to be M.A.S.H!
September 12, 2008

9:19 p.m.

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treecat writes:

is anyone surprised by this story?
September 12, 2008

10:20 p.m.

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NeilT writes:

Not at all, treecat.
September 12, 2008

10:36 p.m.

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warrengfunk7 writes:

I have been arrested 6 times (for minor alcohol charges), but 3 out of those 6 times, police actually lied and/or falsified information on the police report, designed to further incriminate me in court.

My attorney said police do this all the time, that it was common practice and that everyone in the legal system knows they do this. He said the DA's know about it, the judges know about it, but no one does anything about it.

He said there was nothing he could do about it either, because it comes down to my word (a person with a minor criminal record) versus a respectable law enforcement officer's word.
September 13, 2008

2:58 a.m.

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axlenut writes:

Don't worry Denver, when Barrack Obama takes office and establishes Sharia Law all dogs will become contraband. Under Islam dogs are considered unclean animals, only "working dogs" or those used for herding, etc. are allowed. You'll have a short time to get rid of them or face beheading. Just think of all the money we'll save for pet supplies that he can tax and be able to give to Hamas and other terrorists.
September 13, 2008

4:08 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Something's not right here, the dog may have lunged at the officer at some point, but then how did it get shot in the back from behind? The report backs the witness saying the officer ran after the dog, bullet entry supports that as well. Could the dog have turned lunged, then ran away again? This should be investigated, because an officer's word should always be above reproach; juries convict based on his word as an officer. Don't convict until everything comes out in the wash. I had a pit turn on me then decided to run, freaked me out. I damn sure didn't chase him though afterwards, I was glad he went the other way. I know many won't believe me, but Denver Police will know what happened internally, they investigate pretty intense when a gun is fired or stories conflict. Once I had a incident that happened some years ago, they surrounded my house 2 nights in a row by mistake on fugitive warrants in the middle of the night; I stepped aside and let them search my home at 2 am in the morning, not once but twice. They went through my home, searched every room with my blessing, and were kind to my little girl (6 at the time)as she was extremely scared of thier paramilitary dress, all in black. I complained pretty loudly to the chief's office on the phone. 2 days later they sent a division commander accompanied by internal affairs to our business and apologize for what happened. He was pretty shocked to see an excon working hand in hand with law enforcement by the very nature of my profession, as I have now for over 20 years had to account truthfully to various law enforcement personel. He didn't know that until he came to apologize. He was a good man, his apology quite sincere, and he explained the malfunction that took place. It took a lot of courage on thier part to admit the wrong, and I realized that day Denver P.D. do investigate things very carefully. Public may not agree with me, but I see it first hand, and know they are quite efficent and will know what happened. It was dangerious as hell the first night, and it scared my family, as I saw someone outside my daughters window, because my chow woke me up. Second night I collected business cards and made calls. That apology earned my respect, because truth be, I am a convict never a saint. The manner in which they handled the screw up impressed me; but then I always do what they say without a hassle, take it up with them afterwards by calling in a complaint, or having Richie my lawyer address them. I would never sue them, they've done too much for me, and I see them every day. They care, they will get to the bottom of what happened here. I had that pit turn on me then run, I got out of there quickly and didn't force the issue with the dog. If this officer falsified anything, he'll pay a hell of a price; they'll catch it. Officer's are human, some are going to screw up as we all have seen happen; if it's intentional, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
September 13, 2008

5:32 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Years ago, I had an A$$ chewing chow loyal and loving to me and my family. He never ran loose and he was loved dearly, but I had to recognize his nature and teach him manners as well as always keeping him under my control; and safe. I don't like being sued, and aggressive dogs like him require a lot of attention if your like me and favor them. He was the bad boy who alerted me to the raid I previously mentioned. That night I secured him in the dog run so the cops could walk through my hause unfettered. Secondly, reconizing my chow's anti-social behavior, I posted a sign on my front door alerting law enforcement, firemen, and other emergency personel that he was there in my home and would bite. My closing line on the sign asked that if they had to enter my home, to shoot him cleanly because I loved him dearly. Needless to say it never happened, but I felt because I had rescued this huge ball of fur and jaws, I owed emergency personel should they have to enter my home that he was there. If they shoot the two dogs I have now wrongfully, including my highly trained shepard that works along side me somedays, Al LaCabe or Mr. Whitman can call the pound and arrange for me to get a new puppy to replace them. No dog I ever own will be of more value than a human life, no dog I owned has ever ran loose because they weren't exactly social, and I had to extensively train them to be obedient. I owe the dog better to be responsible and always have them under my control, period, no mistakes. Everytime I see a personal pet laying dead in the street hit by a car, I think of the owner who did that animal a great disservice by not being totally responsible for it. In my case I could be sued should I not know where my dogs are at every minute, my girl dog will do you right if I'm not there. She is trained to hand signals, and I have too much time invested in her to let her run loose, even by accident. I have always saved and trained aggessive dogs, they deserve to live also, but no animal takes presidence over a human, and no dog deserves an irresponsible owner who lets them run loose out of thier control. Accidents also entail liability, caring for an animal requires responsibility, care for them by not allowing them the ability to escape your control. Sad to see this dog shot, but who is responsible for the dog running loose, the cops or the owner? I would be concerned if they entered the house wrongfully and shot the dog, but they didn't. The owner either accidently, or intentionally, or perhaps even neglectfully, whatever the excuse, allowed the dog to run loose. Sad, the dog was killed, but I think the owner is more liable than the cop.
September 13, 2008

7:09 a.m.

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bluespanail writes:

WOW shooting and killing a dog, in front of a school, more then likely in front of students and maybe the kid the dog loved. dont the denver police carry mace???????? may rocky run forever across the valley of love, and the officer be charged with animal cruelty. for being stupid.
September 13, 2008

8:06 a.m.

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The_Punnisher writes:

The next step...the Law Enforcement Officers start shooting WITNESSES in the back of the head so THEY are the only ones who can testify.....That sets a REAL example for the SHEEPLE to follow.

It has happened before....
September 13, 2008

8:26 a.m.

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RoloFan writes:

Fred writes:
"BTW I find it hilarious that you've gained your expert knowledge from TV"

No, Fred. I've gained my expert knowledge about dogs by owning and living with them over the past 20 years. I've owned 12 dogs in that time, 5 of them being YELLOW LABs, so I know quite a bit about the breed and the temperment of these dogs. I once brought a Chow into my house to be a companion for my YELLOW LAB, but he was far too aggressive for my household and I sent him away. As aggressive as he was, my Lab never backed down and stood up for herself. Yet, I never saw her or any of my other Labs be aggressive towards people.

If Labs are such difficult dogs to handle, why are they the top service/guide dog in this country? Because they are naturally intelligent, docile, submissive dogs who are bred to work with and please people.

Labs are so people friendly that they will still protect and rescue their owners, even if the owner has been abusive to them. There's a well known story about Labs that goes like this: A man owned a Lab and he was particularly mean to the animal. One day, they were out in a boat and the boat capsized. Despite the mistreatment, the Lab grabbed the man and swam him to shore, saving his life. I've never heard if the man had a change of heart/attitude toward his dog after he saved his life.
September 13, 2008

8:55 a.m.

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anya writes:

Mayor Hickenlooper has been a great mayor, and has had many successes. But the one huge failure of his administration has been a failure to get a leash on his police department. The union is too strong, the "oversight" committee is too weak, and too many officers are of very low quality.

Once again, they will "investigate" this for weeks until people forget, and then they will say "Oh, this was justified," and off they'll go until the next outrage.

Remember the chap that had a can of soda in his bedroom? He that was murdered by a cop that entered his home without a search warrant. Remember the mentally challenged 14 year old child that was holding a kitchen knife in his own home and was not able to comprehend the cop? Murdered. There are far too many of these stories in Denver.

"To Serve and Protect" has been forgotten; too many Denver cops are far too arrogant and should be removed from duty. The Police Department would be the better if some of the worst were just let go without the union screaming; you'd think the many many good cops would support such a move, but they don't for some reason.
September 13, 2008

9:27 a.m.

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wilson writes:

Sierra,
Are you suggesting that police officers should be trained to run away, rather than shooting a dangerous person or animal?
September 13, 2008

9:56 a.m.

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toughasnails25 writes:

The police need animal training. The dog was not hurting anybody. If the officer, who is trained to deal with life and death situations, is "scared" of a Lab, then who is to say that he will not shoot first before asking questions. The dog was running away for God's sake. For you non-pet owners, you will never know what it feels like to lose a pet. Its like losing a relative. SO, if the police ever chase anyone, EXPECT them to shoot them in the back of the head, in cold blood. If it was a K-9 officer, this would not have happened.
September 13, 2008

10:10 a.m.

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cdmdenver writes:

POLICE DON'T NEED FURTHER TRAINING!

They need to practice control and common sense,
how can you teach someone common sense?

Not all cops are bad, but there a few "Bad Apples"
loose canons that give the DPD a bad name-
weed them out! Bring respectability back to law enforcement.
September 13, 2008

10:44 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

No Anya, mayor Hinkenlooper does quite well putting a leash on the police department now that you brought it up. See the mayor hires illegals from Mexico to work for him in his restaurants; cops get out of hand, the illegal just shoots them in the back like a coward, and runs to Mexico so he can avoid the death penalty and pick up 63 years instead of life in prison. Don't you think Anya, our mayor Hickenlooper really puts the cops in check in his own ruthless unapologetic way? I do.
September 13, 2008

10:59 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Your right to Toughasnails 25, it wouldn't happen to a K9 cop dog, not only is the dog highly trained, it's always under the owners control 24-7. If you do see one loose, let me know. I'll grap a 13 foot cast net and take it home. Always wanted a K9, those dogs are the best in the world. Call me when you see one running loose will you, I'll take the a$$ chewing just to have one. I learned the cast net trick on gaurd dogs by a southern boy out of Florida, it's gentle, humane, and it takes the dog in a way that is so sweet. Just have to be careful he doesn't get hurt in the lines. Let me know when you see a cop get irresposible with a K-9, letting it run free. By the way, when was the last time you saw one running free, or is your statement hypothetical? See I never heard of a K-9 unit escaping it's handler, no more than my own dogs. Love is being responsibile, not letting your dog run loose.
September 13, 2008

11:09 a.m.

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toughasnails25 writes:

I was talking about if a K-9 officer would have been on the scene, he would not have shot Rocky.
September 13, 2008

11:21 a.m.

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iggypuppet writes:

I think the bottom line is that there have been so many incidents involving the Denver police shooting people, pets or whatever... and they are never properly disciplined, that the citizens of Denver are fed up. In addition, other officers seeing that there are no consequences for shooting people/dogs etc. are much more inclined to pull out their guns and fire.

I know and respect some DPD officers, but have seen many more of them whose arrogance and (as one poster described it) chips on their shoulder make them more of a threat to society than protector.

I think it's time for a complete overhaul of the DPD, from chief to division chiefs to beat officers. Someone needs to tell these guys that they are not the law, they are responsible for enforcing it. Their job is not to be Rambo, their job is to serve and protect the population that pays their salaries. The city of Denver needs to have independent prosecutors investigate every situation where a gun is used by a police officer, and any officer who will not violate "the code" in the interests of justice and truth should be charged with a crime and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

If I lie or am silent to protect a friend who has committed a crime, I will be prosecuted. If a cop is silent, it's just chalked up to their code of covering each other's backsides. Don't gang bangers do that too?
September 13, 2008

1:55 p.m.

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ksells writes:

A police officer who draws his gun and shoots a dog who is running away is a liability that the city of Denver can't afford. This will always be on his record and he's now a lawsuit waiting to happen. I can't imagine why this man could be so grossly untrained. But from the reports, he both was witnessed shooting a dog that was running away and the evidence proves it. But what would have happened if his aim wasn't so good. Would the DPD cover up for him if one of his bullets hit a person. I'm afraid they would. And the police "union", speaking as a former member of a union, actually comes closer to a criminal organization. You know, RICO. I know there are a lot of cops who want to be good, but there are way to many bad ones. A good cop that covers for a bad one is still a criminal. It's a problem for cops in these times because people have cell phones and video cameras to record their actions. It's too bad that shooting a dog in the back gets more response then shooting a driver in the back who is running away.

But I will say this, the mindset of the DPD which only admits their officers made a mistake after being caught in a lie disturbs me. It boggles the mind to think how many times they get away with it. It would be futile for me to say that the DPD should clean up its house.
September 13, 2008

3:23 p.m.

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bluespanail writes:

WOW shooting and killing a dog, in front of a school, more then likely in front of students and maybe the kid the dog loved. dont the denver police carry mace???????? may rocky run forever across the valley of love, and the officer be charged with animal cruelty. for being stupid.
September 13, 2008

4:20 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Toughasnails, the K-9 officer is the dog itself I believe, the handler is a police officer, and together they are a K-9 Unit. I know what you mean however. I understand the anger at losing the dog, but I like how people never take accountability for thier actions. Your dog is not allowed by law to run loose in urban areas; it should have been animal control's job. Yet the person who phoned it in said the dog was a threat, officers should be trained in 4 legged animal psychology, but thier training generally focuses on the 2 legged variety. If my dog was running loose and gets killed, it's my fault for failing to control the dog or have the dog under my control. I have a cat, he doesn't run free all over the neighborhood, it would be a lack of consideration for my neighbors who don't care for cats. A loose dog, running around the school, a dog nobody apparently knew or were responsible for is a danger. Labs bite, one bit my oldest boy when he was a kid, so don't tell me they don't bite. Thier bite isn't as deadly as a pit, but they bite just the same. Yes they make great service animals, great for hunting, as we used them for duck hunting when I was a little kid. Generally they are gentle, but not always; even a gentle animal can turn if a kid provokes it foolishly. This dog is dead for 2 reasons, the first is the owner for not obeying the law and having the dog under thier control and letting it run loose Second is the cop, he gets a report of a vicious dog running loose, arrives in an area where kids are known to frequent, and shoots the dog after running it down. Third is the animal control people who are trained and have the equipment needed who didn't show up for whatever reason. But the ultimate fault rests with the owner who lost control of thier animal and allowed it to run loose in violation of the law, near a school, where apparently nobody knew the animal to take it home. If it were my dog, how am I going to sue the police when as the dog owner I am in violation of the law, letting the beautiful animal run free without supervision? My cat, how many just let thier cats run free? It doesn't bother me, I love animals; but is that really considerate of others who may not care to have your cat around on thier property for whatever reason? I love my boy Tabby, he's a real baby, last thing I want to do is pick him up out of the street after a car nails him. Maybe I love him too much, but I don't live on a farm, I live in the city. You can attack the cops all you want, but maybe if you take better care of your animals things like this could be prevented to begin with. If the owner would have been responsible there'd have been no phone call to the police to come enforce the law being broken by the owner in letting that beautiful dog run loose. I bet it's the drivers fault if an animal gets hit because some owner lets it run free by the same logic being used here. My animals are a 24-7 responsibility, but thats my accountability to them.
September 13, 2008

4:53 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Officer being a liability? Right, and based on the information he had recieved it was a vicious dog; if it were vicious and eluded him and bit into a baby, or old lady somewhere else, who would you blame then? The cop again for letting the vicious dog get away. He ran it down and shot it, sad. The police report backs the witness so he's not lying about his actions apparently. You call this guy, he has to weigh everything he's been told, and make a decision. Dog didn't walk up to him all loving, it ran; he did his job in chasing it in case it was vicious as the caller had said. If it was vicious, and we have only the word of those who had an ongoing relationship with the animal that he wasn't, and he got away from the cop, a greater threat could have materialized. The owner is responsible for the animal, not society at large or the police. The report and the witness are the same story, now lets hear from the owner who lets his animals break the law and run free in the city. The cop is not animal control, he doesn't carry equipment and confinement boxes, tranquilizer gun, or anything for dealing with a vicious animal but his gun. he has to make a call. Shame this beautiful animal didn't walk up and love the cop and ran; criminals are the same way, they never walk up and love the cop, they haul a$$ as well. He had to chase the dog just to be sure it didn't cause greater harm, if it was like the caller said: "a vicious dog running loose." I'm suprised the owner didn't get cited for violating the law, cops must figured the loss of the dog was enough. So why does the owner of this fine animal, feel it's his right to allow his animals to run without supervision in urban areas, around a school in violation of the law? Animals are a 24-7 responsibility I think, but hey I could be wrong. If they shoot my dogs running loose, I'm going to be pissed at myself for letting it happen as I owe my animals better. I refuse to pick them up out of the street also as I would be pissed I failed them. It hurts, but these people need to look at themselves for letting thier dog down and run without supervision. I wish he'd have been more loving and walked up and became friendly with the cop who didn't know him, but he ran instead.
September 13, 2008

5:29 p.m.

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Jeramiedreyfuss writes:

OK We know all about how you kill any pet you think might have any pitbull dna in them, but now you shoot down a lab who is running away???? Denver, you are seriously looking like the most dog unfriendly city in the nation. You look like a doggyauschwitz.
1,700 pets have been taken from their homes and euthanized since 2005 because their owners couldn't afford to move in time.
You wan't find as many sympathizers to your mission of killing dogs when it comes to a labrador retreiver. Every one loves them. This is a nightmare and I feel terrible for this poor family. Oh, and guess what??? Dogs get out sometimes. Should they be given an instant death sentence for this? I hope a lawyer calls them and offers to take this case on for free because this is not right. Also sign the petition Spend no dollars in Denver on Care2 or join Roverlution.org to find out the latest with Denver's unfair breed ban legislation that is still going on today.SHAME on Denver, the most dog unfriendly town in America. So hug your dog, contact your politicians and decide how you vote in the next election: Protest Breed Specific Legislation (BSL). For more info, go to:

www.ROVERlution.org

Join us in our boycott of Denver: Tell Denver why you won't spend your money there !

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/spen...
September 13, 2008

6:15 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Many of us contribute to saving the lives of dogs, not one have I ever paid a breeder for, when so many languish in the state and city pounds. I bought them for 100.00 dollars and spent a fortune cleaning up thier problems at the vet. One puppy cost me 4500.00 dollars at the vet, and still died of parvo, but I did what I could for a mixed mutt. I understand accidental instances when a dog gets out; I built a huge dog run and my yard has a good fence in addition, so it doesn't happen to me at all. My dogs are my babies, would I let a 3 year old wander off and not immediately know he was gone? I hate seeing a dog killed senselessly, if it were my dog running loose, I would be so hurt that I caused his/ her death as I have 2 dogs, that I would blame myself, not the cop, or animal control. It would be my screw up, not the cop. Cop didn't know the dog, labs are great dogs, but they'll bite if provoked. The lab that bit my kid, bit him in the face cause he tried to force the animal to kiss him, he was 7 at the time. Dog belong to my brother in law. I didn't hurt the animal, I taught the kid instead. Sorry for the owners loss, I guess some people are accountable for thier actions, others must have someone else to blame. My old man shot a neighbors a lab when I was young because the owner let it run loose and it went after the legs of my old man's racehorses when he was running them. My old man warned him twice, third time was a charm. Sheriff came, made a report, and since the neighbor admitted the dog was on my old man's land going after his horses when he ran them, nothing was done. Created bad blood, and it was sad, the man moved as others in that area had also had problems with the man. My old man tried to tell him no dog was going to lame his 30,000 dollar horse, guy thought my old man was bluffing. This was on a farm outside Detroit. My old man ran his horse, the dog came running and barking at the horses heels, my old man dropped him with a Ruger.44 cal., horse shot off like a rocket hearing that gun roar; took my old man for a good run. You can't expect others to be responsible for your animals if your not. Currently there are two dogs up about 5 blocks that always run loose, they are bull dog mixed, and live behind the liquior store. None of us get involved, the owner will one day face a tragedy, probably try to blame the driver cause they run in the street. If you own animals, take care of them, don't put them in harms way because of your own negligence. I can't blame someone else for my screw up, I would be hurt that I let my dog down by not knowing where they are or that they got out. Believe me, if it happens by accident, it'll only be once.
September 13, 2008

6:33 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Best 24 hour vet in Denver, the one most vets refer you too when they can't handle it? VRCC on Hampden off Sante Fe. It will cost you a fortune, as I ran up the 4500 dollar bill in 1 week with a parvo puppy there. Most vets do not have thier state of the art facilities, and will tell you so if you ask. My ole girl sure loved that mutt, that was a lot of Cohibas, Montecristo, and boxes of Upmanns that day. The vet wanted to put him down because chances were slim and treatment costly. Women have cost me a fortune. Just remember if you got the dough, VRCC is the number 1 facility for animals in this region, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. It will cost you though! They have internists and several groups of physicians there with state of the art equipment.
September 13, 2008

8:48 p.m.

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RoloFan writes:

I don't think the owner is saying that it isn't his fault that the dog got loose. He's questioning the actions of the police officer. I own several dogs and I have a good six foot fence. But it has happened that my dogs have gotten out. Through the front door. When I thought I locked the front door, went to bed and woke up to find the front door blown open by the wind and my dogs running free. Thank God, none of them were hurt (it was the middle of the night). If something had happened to them, I would have blamed myself for failing to lock the front door. But I would still have questions if a police officer chose to shoot one of them. And if a witness said the dog wasn't threatening the officer at the time, I would be suspicious.

It sounds like the officer had time to wait for animal control to get there, but didn't. So he shot him. That's not the kind of man I want patroling the streets.
September 13, 2008

11:53 p.m.

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fiesty writes:

heinis27 - you have been exposed as a liar. The report backs the witness- officer chased the dog and shot it from behind.

Louie- I'm with you all the way except for one thing. It is the dog owner's responsibility that the dog got loose; however, that does NOT excuse what the officer did. He needs to be fired, since he is obviously in the wrong career field.

btw folks, if the time is correct (4 p.m.) than it is entirely possible that children DID witness this. My son's middle school doesn't get out until 3:30; given pick-ups, waiting children, and after school activities, you'll normally find children outside the school all the way up until 4:30. Plus, a lot of children use the big lawns for playing.
September 13, 2008

11:58 p.m.

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fiesty writes:

I agree with the previous poster. Police seem to be becoming nothing but thugs in uniform; shooting dogs in front of families, shooting unarmed individuals in bed in their own homes, wantonly lying on reports and on the stand, planting evidence, brutalizing individuals (lying on child having seizure, beating up WWII vets, tasering unmoving man 27 times, etc), and so on. There needs to be a complete overhaul. Stories like this should be the EXCEPTION, not something we see on an almost monthly basis. Denver, stop making excuses and covering for the officers who commit these acts- start firing unsuitable individuals, start developing better protocols for these situations, and overhaul your training program!!
September 14, 2008

1:32 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

Guys- given this story, and the one from CNN, this is what I came up with a sign for all the doors in my home. I will be laminating and posting.

~ LEGAL NOTICE TO POLICE ~

In the unlikely event you need to enter this home, be advised this home has several cats and dogs, including a large TRAINED German Shepherd SERVICE DOG who is NO DANGER to you.

DO NOT ENTER this home without a plan on dealing with dogs in a NON-FATAL manner, such as use of a tranquilizer gun. If you restrain the residents for any reason, you ASSUME responsibility for the safety of the animals in this home.

In the event of any police brutality (such as the recent police killings of sleeping, fleeing, and playing dogs), justice WILL be served. In addition to a law suit against the city/county, we will not rest until the police officer who has betrayed their uniform is no longer on the force.
September 14, 2008

2:30 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Yeah, if my home is on fire, shoot the dog, save the house, Thanks, but I like to keep things in perspective. I can replace the dog, not my home, or the memories stored therein. I buried many good dogs, I don't care to lose my home and memories. Please, shoot my dog, save my family more grief in losing everything they have. No animal is worth that much to me, and I'm the tuna that puts 4500.00 up front to save parvo infected puppies. I'll go find another a$$ chewing dog to watch the place. Thanks fellas, not ever one has the the ability to weigh priorities! Beef, whats for dinner?
September 16, 2008

9:07 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

mytwosense- while doing my research, I have discovered this is NOT a rare case. I have found multiple instances of police shooting fleeing dogs, sleeping dogs, dogs in owners' home (after the dog was put in a bathroom to keep them out of the way, etc. I think this case is the worst- http://www.kidk.com/news/11676076.html

The "officer" (aka thug) shows up at the front door, demands the family dog, ties it to a pole in the front yard, shoots it three times in front of children getting off a school bus, then just drives away!
October 1, 2008

8:14 p.m.

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RescueKid writes:

So,
#1 The Owner is guilty
#2 The Cop is guilty
#3 There is no law in affect to protect animals in this country
look at Vick, he will be out sonner then you think

What is the history of the dog family, did he ever bit anyone did he ever got away and was he aggresive at all?

What is the history of the cop was he agressive in pass?

There is a proven direct link between animal abuse and human abuse so if the cop ever beat anyone up then he is done.

Iot of people don't know how to take care of their animals I see it everyday.

Louie writes :"Yeah, if my home is on fire, shoot the dog, save the house, Thanks, but I like to keep things in perspective. I can replace the dog, not my home...etc."

Louie you shouldnt have a dog then. People like you are as bad as that cop, no diff. here.

take care everyone

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Report backs witness: Denver cop chased dog, shot it

Tillie Fongand Julie Poppen, Rocky Mountain News

Published September 11, 2008 at 10:53 p.m.

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