Call for immigration audit
Lawmakers want close look at laws and enforcement
Judi Villa
Published September 11, 2008 at 11:37 a.m.
Updated September 12, 2008 at 12:13 a.m.
Photo by George Kochaniec Jr. / The Rocky
Francis Hernandez appears in Arapahoe County Court on Thursday, when he was charged with numerous counts. His bail was increased to $350,000. Hernandez is suspected of driving an SUV involved in a Sept. 4 crash that killed three people at a Baskins-Robbins ice cream shop in Aurora.
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Three Aurora legislators on Thursday called for a comprehensive audit of the state's immigration laws and how police and federal immigration authorities are enforcing them.
Their request comes a week after an illegal immigrant allegedly broadsided a pickup truck in Aurora, killing two women and a 3-year-old boy in an ice cream shop.
The suspect, Francis Hernandez, 23, had been arrested nearly 20 times in the past five years but had never been deported, despite a 2006 state law that requires police to report foreign-born suspects to Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Hernandez was charged Thursday with three counts of leaving the scene of an accident involving death, three counts of vehicular homicide, one count of vehicular assault, one count of leaving the scene of an accident involving serious bodily injury and one count of driving under restraint. If convicted, he could face up to 78 years in prison. His bail was increased to $350,000.
State Reps. Morgan Carroll and Karen Middleton and state Sen. Suzanne Williams are seeking an audit of all of Hernandez's contacts with police.
They also want an analysis of "every crack or gap" in legislation and the enforcement of existing laws.
"And while the federal government has primary jurisdiction over immigration law, we have primary responsibility for the existence and enforcement of our traffic laws," the legislators wrote in a joint letter to the legislative audit committee. "Had the current laws and enforcement worked properly, these citizens would not be dead."
Debra Serecky, 51, of Aurora, and Patricia Guntharp, 49, of Centennial, were killed Sept. 4 when their pickup truck was broadsided. Marten Kudlis, 3, of Aurora, was inside the Baskin-Robbins ice cream shop with his mother when he was snared by the careening wreckage and dragged to his death.
The deaths became a lightning rod for increased immigration reform when it was determined that Hernandez was born in Guatemala and in the United States illegally.
However, his lawyer, Kallman Elinoff, said Thursday that Hernandez's father is a legal resident and his sister has become a U.S. citizen but Hernandez did not complete the process to gain legal status.
He did obtain a Social Security card as a child, Elinoff said.
After graduating from high school in California, Hernandez tried to enlist in the Army but was turned away because of his immigration status, Elinoff said.
Hernandez quickly began racking up arrests, mainly for misdemeanor traffic offenses, but largely avoided scrutiny of his legal status.
Aurora police say Hernandez was referred to ICE after he was arrested in April for speeding and driving without a license. ICE officials say they have no record of Hernandez ever being referred to them before last week's crash.
Arapahoe County District Attorney Carol Chambers said prosecutors are looking at the possibility of filing additional, "even more serious" charges. She would not elaborate.
"We have three people who are dead and one of them is a 3-year-old child," Chambers said. "It's a heartbreaking case and so unnecessary."
After the hearing, Guntharp's son, Richard Gagne, 32, said he went to court hoping for a little bit of closure before he heads to Iraq. Gagne is in the Army.
"It's a piece of me that is now gone. It hurts," Gagne said of losing his mother.
"Hopefully, someday that emptiness will be filled."
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September 11, 2008
11:54 a.m.
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timeandagain writes:
No worries! Hick and Ritter and La Raza will be there shortly to post bond for the guy.
September 11, 2008
11:58 a.m.
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reddog writes:
So true "timeandagain".
September 11, 2008
12:13 p.m.
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BigSky182 writes:
The fact that his bond is set so high is probably saving this guy's life.
September 11, 2008
12:28 p.m.
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cdmdenver writes:
My condolences to all the families of this tragedy.
They don't have to worry about Francis Hernandez,
he will NEVER leave prison.
September 11, 2008
12:36 p.m.
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redwhiteandBLUE writes:
He didn't get a Public Pretender. His lawyer is @ 2117 Larimer in Denver. A paid lawyer, maybe ?
The higher the bond the better!
September 11, 2008
12:36 p.m.
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agzela writes:
Mr Hernandez who came here at 5 years of age is a prime example of why illegal immigration is a problem. When parents dont have time to raise a son or daughter or have children to stay in the country the usual product is a criminal! Dont think so? check LA and the offspring of those illegals. I know I lived there.....
We must look at this problem with long term far reaching effects!
September 11, 2008
12:37 p.m.
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windbourne writes:
Bigsky,
I am guessing that if he was released, he would be back in Mexico within 12 hours or less. Plenty of ppl support illegals here regardless of what they do.
September 11, 2008
12:43 p.m.
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bigmama94 writes:
The sad thing is, this POS will get out on bond (some do-gooder agency will post it) and he will be gone, gone, gone.....
September 11, 2008
12:49 p.m.
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ellianna writes:
I admit to not knowing the procedures in getting a green card, so bear with me. If he has been here since he was 5, why couldn't he get his green card and at least be documented? Is it a matter of not having the funds to apply? I don't understand why people would choose to be here illegaly? Is it that hard to get a green card?
I don't care what his bond is, I would hope that the bail bonds community refuse to bond him out. If they do, he will once again be in the wind.
September 11, 2008
1 p.m.
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Scott writes:
Can this illegal POS alien actually get out on bond? I thought that the ICE hold would preclude it from getting out. That is, before it would be released from State/County custody ICE would come down and take custody of it.
windbourne & bigmama94, Unfortunately you are both correct.
Scott
September 11, 2008
1:09 p.m.
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nonative writes:
Hernandez's lawyer, Kallman Elinoff said the previous bond of $250,000 not only was sufficient but also "may be excessive."
Why is there a bond anyway? Keep that POS locked up.
Being here illeagaly is excessive.
Killing anyone is excessive.
Driving without a liscense is excessive.
Getting arrested 13 times in 5 years is excessive.
Some a**hole laywer making a stupid statement like that is excessive.
September 11, 2008
1:27 p.m.
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ou8one2 writes:
Why charge him at all? He was just here doing the crimes, er, jobs Americans won't do.
And why is the bond so high? After all, Ritter, Hick, and company are just going to charge him with agricultural trespassing and let him go.
September 11, 2008
1:34 p.m.
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baseball1 writes:
I agree that illegal immigration is a HUGE problem. My brother, sister and I are all married to immigrants...two from Mexico and one from Peru. However, we all went through the lengthy process of bringing them here legally. I had to reschedule my wedding 4 times because of difficulty in getting a timely visa. The wheels of the government turn slow. However, I was like Denverbusinessman meaning that I have turned the other way so to speak knowing that most of people I used to teach in my ESL class were here illegally. My tolerance for this has ended. My family and I have spent thousands of dollars to do things right and it makes me upset to see so many freeloaders come in here illegally and mooch off of everything I work for.
If Hernandez were to somehow post bond, he would be sent directly to ICE for jail so why bother. Either way our tax payer dollars are paying for his selfish a## to hang out here in our legal system which apparently has failed us all up to this point.
September 11, 2008
1:34 p.m.
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scootertrash writes:
Why should a puke like him get a bond anyway, with all his priors bail should be denied!!!!!!!!!!!
September 11, 2008
1:52 p.m.
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blacksho89 writes:
ellianna: It can be frustrating to enter this country (and to stay) legally. The US government has obstinately refused to do ANYTHING except to keep it relatively easy to get here illegally, and then allow these people to stay under the radar.
As a country, we have the right to secure our borders and know the identity of everyone who crosses. This is not xenophobic. Likewise, if we are to allow aliens to live here, as we have by the act of looking the other way, these aliens have the right to be recognized, to be paid a decent wage, and to have a secure form of ID ensuring that the good guys can be given basic human rights, and the bad guys can be identified, prosecuted, and jailed/deported. It is wrong to allow a two-tiered justice system to let people off of the hook because we are too lazy to deport them.
Make no mistake, people. This triple homicide is the fault of Ricky/Frank/Francis/Fransisco, but was aided and abetted by Hick, Ritter, and Dubya.
September 11, 2008
2:14 p.m.
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ou8one2 writes:
Blacksho89 writes:
Make no mistake, people. This triple homicide is the fault of Ricky/Frank/Francis/Fransisco, but was aided and abetted by Hick, Ritter, and Dubya.
Let's not forget W. Webb and Fredrico Pena who make Denver a sanctuary city in the first place. Not to mention, did anyone see the picture of Pena out marching for illegal immigrant rights during the DNC convention? Where is that racist Pena now?????
September 11, 2008
2:30 p.m.
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coarizona writes:
Obama thinks everyone should speak spanish in the U.S. Guess it helps when you own a bonding company or in the government. This guy will get the best defense. Thanks to LaRaza and groups like that. Oh, the beauty of sanctuary cities...gotta love it when you see this crap!!!
September 11, 2008
2:36 p.m.
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ColoCoyote writes:
You know why illegals like here? They don't pay taxes, they get every free hand out there is,they get payed about ten times more then they do in there own country,they sick to together,living 5 or 6 in 2 bedroom apartment and send all the money back home and have no intentions of staying in this country over ten years in the first place. If they are caught breaking the law,I.R.S. no ssn no driver license,not who they say they are. They released back on the streets or worst case deported. Three days later the cycle starts all over again with new name same person. They don't care about your laws or your country.
September 11, 2008
2:40 p.m.
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happymike44 writes:
I feel he is here illegally he has no right to a fair trail he is not a citizen of this country.
We should not have to provide him with a court appointed attorney.
Let his family pay for it not the american taxpayers.
We also need to find and deport his family.
No need to keep trash like this in our country.
I am not for a no border free world order world.
Every person belongs in their country and lets stop immigration.
Before our country becomes like so many on the planet.
No legal system and the drug kingpins are in control.
We need to deport every illegal alien and close our border.
Cheap labor equals to no security for the average american citizen.
These strangers who come here looking for the american dream.
Will not and do not obey our laws how many americans have to die at the hands of drunken little thugs like this.
I hope he has a wonderful time in jail another expense passed along to the american taxpayer.
Instead lets just start executing murders and save ourselves the money and expense from long term incarceration.
September 11, 2008
2:45 p.m.
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Brittanicus writes:
Only elect hard-line anti-illegal immigrant politicians. Illegal Immigration is lowering wages and stealing jobs from legal Americans. This major issue is costing taxpayers too much. Higher property taxes, free health care, education and a multitude of government welfare programs Just take a look at 'Sanctuary City' California's financial demise. $ 11. billion dollars is attributed to the illegal immigrant welfare, who have drained the states funds.
If we enact the Federal SAVE ACT (H.R.4088) enforcement only law. Mandatory E-Verify processing. Millions of illegal aliens will leave by self-deportation. ATTRITION! No job, they will leave of their own accord. Only anti-American groups and Liberal-Democrat-Socialists are stopping this law. ASK THEM WHY?
www.numbersusa.com have the uncensored truth? IT'S YOUR FAMILIES FUTURE. DEPORTATION OR OVERPOPULATION.
IF WE DON'T STOP IT NOW, THEY WILL KEEP COMING..
JOIN 756.000 other American patriots at www.numbersusa.com , to stop the travesty of our immigration laws. Learn about Immigration governmental corruption at www.judicialwatch.org
September 11, 2008
2:48 p.m.
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ColoCoyote writes:
If you are illegal in a country you do not have the same rights, as its citizens or legal Landed emigrants.
September 11, 2008
2:49 p.m.
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opinionatedcolo writes:
So many loudmouths, so little time.
No matter what the bond, the ICE hold will keep him locked up. The bond is for show, for the DA and the judge to look good to the public. Chambers' office loves to seek high bonds in high publicity cases because it gives the public the false perception that something has been accomplished.
Hickenlooper has never been in a position to affect plea bargains and those on here who attack him on this case just demonstrate that their minuscule one track minds are incapable of even trying to get beyond their prejudices and reactionary political hatred.
Finally nonnative, he gets bond because it is a right guaranteed to all people by the State and Federal constitution. I understand that you feel that civil rights do not apply to people you do not like, but fortunately the constitution still applies. It helps keep loudmouths like you from forming lynch mobs (although I doubt you have it in you to act rather than just spout off.) This guy, like everyone else, is still innocent until proven guilty. Again, I know that you think that anyone with brown skin needs to just go away, but more rational minds still prevail.
People are free to be outraged by these deaths, but to get on here and spew the hatred shown in the last few days says more about the lack of morality of the posters than it does about the crime or the accused.
September 11, 2008
2:57 p.m.
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Cel writes:
I'm sure you all have thought of this, but let me just ad it anyway: If he goes to prison here aren't we still footing the bill for him being here? To me that's an insult after the crime. ...and BTW Denverbusinessman, I'm a Mexican American (born her with a birth certificate and everything!!) but you'd probably never know it to look at me, anyway, quite recently I found a couple of what I thought were "All-American White Guys" stealing my lawn mower from my back yard. I later found out that one was of Scottish decent and one and one was of German decent, so those dirty Scotts and Germans, I guess they're just as bad as those Mexicans, huh?
September 11, 2008
3:04 p.m.
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fifty writes:
I agree that he should be denied bond given his past record of failing to appear. It seems ICE will hold him if he gets out provided the two agencies bother to communicate with each other. For some reason, ICE hasn't held him in the past like it should have.
It seems to me that if immigrants elect to come here illegally, they should be very careful to follow our laws. Most do, I'm sure.
One concern is that law enforcement doesn't bother to inform anyone of our laws. Kids entering adulthood should get a short course on the law and there should be a Spanish version of our laws that can be passed around among immigrants.
September 11, 2008
3:06 p.m.
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ChristinaMcares writes:
I completely agree with writer nonative, this POS should have no chance for a bond at all. This evil man took away this familys little boy who they loved so dearly, he should live the rest of his life behind bars. I attended the funeral and I want to thank the parents for allowing me to go. I have a little boy the same age and I could not imagine living my life without him, no parent should ever have to go through something like this. I want to let his parents know that my heart aches with theirs and I too had fallen asleep last night and woke today with tears and sorrow. This boy was so beautiful and so innocent and should still be here today in the arms of his mother and father. I will always remeber Marten Kudlis and will think of him everyday.
Love your family everyday as if it were their last.....
September 11, 2008
3:07 p.m.
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Cel writes:
Doesn't ICE just deport people (I ask that because I don't know). I know they've held some illegals until paperwork gets done, which can take seemingly several years, but they don't punish do they? If they get him won't they just send him back?
September 11, 2008
3:10 p.m.
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Cel writes:
Denverbusinessman, please excuse me, I don't speak spanish, so you'll have to take it a little slower. I just like to know, What is a white person?
September 11, 2008
3:14 p.m.
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Boarder22 writes:
opinionatedcolo: Sorry, but I disagree with your statement. Innocent until proven guilty is part of our Constitution but this guys actions have opened him up to criticism from all of us. We all have a right to spew hate towards a guy arrested over 15 times and who is responsible for killing a 3 year old and 2 other beloved family members. I'm not one to throw slurs around and those types of things but I sure understand the hatred felt by everyone here. Maybe you should think more about the victims and less about this piece of garbage. Why don't you post your sorrow over the poor child instead of defending this waste of space. How would you feel if is was your child? Just a (free) thought.
September 11, 2008
3:26 p.m.
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NoAmnestyNoMcCain writes:
McCain wants to let this happen more. His immigration plan is the same as that of Obama's -- the most liberal member of the Senate. I'm a down-the-ticket Republican, but for amnesty-lovers who would sell us down the river to the ILLEGALS, I'll be voting Constitution Party. Chuck Baldwin is the only candidate who will secure our borders. Republicans need to be reminded that we only vote for them because they used to keep America safe. I can't vote for a Republican who won't defend the United States any more than I would a liberal democrat.
September 11, 2008
3:40 p.m.
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ChristinaMcares writes:
Dont get me wrong I dont agree with illegals either, but this could of been done by any US citizen. Lets get real here, I'm sure that all of you know someone that has either driven drunk, or ran a red light. The real issue is our goverment lets too much slide....are you kiddin me someone has this many sitations and is an illegal alien and is still here WHY?????
September 11, 2008
3:58 p.m.
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HollyGoLightly writes:
Since he has a couple of priors of "Failure to Appear" coupled with the fact that he killed 3 people, he should be denied bail. Period.
I'm starting to dislike the lawyer too. Excessive, my left foot. The only thing excessive is his lengthy record and that he was still allowed on the streets to kill three people. Pathetic POS
September 11, 2008
3:58 p.m.
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JustSayin writes:
opinionatedcolo got it right in his post.
Mentally and Morally BoardedUp (aka boarder22) - you DO have a right to "spew hate" as you claim. However, using that right doesn't say much good about you or any of the other posters here.
"How would you feel if is was your child? " A typically nonsensical and sophomoric throw-back line - if you voice any thoughts about following the law, or 'innocent until proven guilty', or constitutional rights, then somehow you're a soulless monster who doesn't care about this child or these women, who are perfect strangers to most of you posting here. I'm sure their families are comforted by your idiotic expressions of hate and vile.
September 11, 2008
4:07 p.m.
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laughingman writes:
Ha! This is person is *doomed*. His lawyer? Kallman Elinoff, is a complete and utter joke of a lawyer who has been previously disbarred for trying to bribe a D.A. The guy is worthless as a lawyer, and will subsequently screw up this trial more than anything. So anyone wanting to see the suspect behind bars won't have to worry about it, with Kallman Elinoff as his lawyer it is pretty much a done deal.
My respects go out to all who have been impacted by this tragedy, and my spit goes to the eyes of all of you who try so hard to make this a partisan event. You are all tools.
September 11, 2008
4:08 p.m.
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wyhammertime writes:
A good reason they come here illegaly is they do background checks they did me and my wife 4 If I remember . I brought her here from the philippines { the hardest country } it took about 9 months just to get her here and another 6 months { lost paperwork not me } and now she is here legaly .It takes time with the background checks and the paperwork but there is alot of reasons they do it!! Background checks ,proof they won't be a burden on the taxpayers , also if you used drugs = lifetime ban from the U.S. { I don't know if that apply's to mexico } so guess what they can't pass half the requirments and here they are I have NO sympathy for them because they are crimanals hands down { illegal's so I say round em up and send them home !!!!!
September 11, 2008
4:33 p.m.
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Cel writes:
DBM, I suppose unlike you, I don't really see color. Even a racist like you is still a person and besides that, you're missing the point. Are you sure that the people you had altercations with were Mexicans, were they maybe Columbian, Panamanian, Puerto Rican, Spaniards? We must all look alike to you anyway. You're missing the point, just remove the word "Mexican." There are illegals here from pretty much every country, Canadians, Koreans, Chinese, Thai, Ethiopians, Russians, and the Cubans, all they have to do is make it here and that makes them legal. What kind of crap is that. But I guess because the Illegal Canadians are white (BTW, my birth Certificate says I'm white too) they ain't so bad?
September 11, 2008
4:35 p.m.
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Cel writes:
DBM one more thing, What's a gabacho?
September 11, 2008
4:49 p.m.
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justme1977 writes:
Unfortunately this is a no win situation. Either this scumbag is prosecuted and convicted with a life sentence and we as taxpayers have to pay for him to be housed in jail - or he will be deported and this is pretty much a guarantee; he will sneak back into the country and continue to destroy more peoples lives without a care in the world because he knows that he won't get the book thrown at him. Not to mention these poor families that have had to endure the pain that no one should have to endure in a lifetime will never have some semblance of closure if nothing happens to this guy.
My heart goes out to all of the families who lost someone they love in this tragic situation.
September 11, 2008
5:43 p.m.
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Cel writes:
I couldn't be because there are more latino illegals so it seems like more latino crime? Let's say that there was only one illegal (OOPS!, undocumented) immigrant from Canada here and that person drove through a stop sign, The Illegals from Canada would have a %100 crime rate. And you don't think the Asian nationals don't siphon off the tax payers?!?! or the Russian?!?! c'mon it's demographics, if we were England we might be having this conversation about an Irish immigrant, or if we were in India it might be about a Pakastani, It's not just the Mexicans that come here, it's everyone that is here illegally. It only seems like the Mexicans because they have greater numbers here. Maybe in Michigan or Alaska the crime problem is Illegal Canadians
September 11, 2008
6:50 p.m.
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Mike846 writes:
All this affected "outrage" by politicians is making me sick. They are the reason these illegal aliens are here in the first place. We need to vote out of office any official who has supported this invasion. That will get their attention. As for La Raza, well, that means "The Race". And they have the temerity to suggest those who call for the enforcment of our laws are racists? I got news for you, Polly Baca and others; you ain't gonna complete La Reconquista. Not now, not ever. Adios y vaya con Dios, all illegals. Go back to Mexico and take back your own country from the corrupt politicians and drug cartels. Mike
September 11, 2008
8:07 p.m.
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diggtbks writes:
This is how the Democratic party protects the public.
Learn how to protect yourselves.
September 11, 2008
8:31 p.m.
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Faith writes:
Their needs to be something done about all the illegal's who are killing and raping US citizens and not abiding by the law. "They" just like anyone else need to follow the law. Being illegal immigrants makes it even worse! Ice needs to crack down on illegal's and NO one should come here without being legal. I don't care what their excuse is. They also need to offer classes to teach these people english and the laws over here. They need to pass the test and if they don't they will not be able to come over here. That's just my opinion! If Americans did something over in Mexico that was against the law we would be lost in some Mexican Jail. I had a illegal go through a red light and crush into my car and then try to run! My neck is still messed up and I suffered injuries and HE did NOT have insurance. That is messed up! I have no sympathy for them what so ever! I also worked on a roofing crew and when they worked they did a great job but they also bragged how they got more money for doing NOTHING over here. We would leave to go get shingles and come back and they were sitting on their butt eating burritos and NOT working it took us a week to do a job that would take a good working crew three days. It is ridiculous. Lets not take it to the food stamp office!!! I have a disabled son and I had to fight to get food stamps they have 5-7 kids per family and we pay for EVERYTHING and my son and I are stuck eating out of church pantries!! What about his formor convections?? I don't get it. This government is slipping!
September 12, 2008
4:01 a.m.
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roger44 writes:
cel, do you really think I believe for a second that you looked up the white guys nationality when they tried to steal your mower?
September 12, 2008
7:27 a.m.
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thebrokenforum writes:
"People are free to be outraged by these deaths, but to get on here and spew the hatred shown in the last few days says more about the lack of morality of the posters than it does about the crime or the accused."
It also says a lot about the attitude in Denver. The victim's families deserve respect. They do not deserve everyone's personal agenda tacked on to their loss.
It's always interesting to see the things that people say on the internet; those who hide behind the anonymity of a message board...the internet brave and the digital brazen.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Whining about it anonymously will never achieve anything. If you really want to change something, organize, demonstrate, vote. Stop being an anonymous coward and step forth and be heard.
With any luck all 50 of you can get permits to march downtown alongside Tom Metzger and David Duke on MLK day. Then you can all show the city how "right" you are. Godspeed anonymous ,internet coward guy, godspeed.
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September 12, 2008
8:06 a.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
thebrokenforum- You, obviously, are just that; broken in some twisted, deranged way..
The folks posting what you refer to as "anonymous, internet coward guy," are, and rightly so in my opinion, outraged, yet again, at the inefectual way that local, state & federal authorities are handling (or refusing to handle) the illegal immigrationproblem. I, too, feel that way. Don't you?
Well said Mike846!
I, also, have to agree with brokenforum in that we the people need to get off our collective a$$es & actively seek those that would be elected and make it clear that no head-first, immediate, confrontation with the present immigration issues = not elected. We, also, need to unseat most, if not all, incumbents as they have, almost to a man (woman) have been totally faithless to the American public in regard to this and a multitude of other issues.
And I have personally lobbyed those that are in, and have been in office, presenting my views that they would accept me as a constituent and act on my suggestions. Well, it's supposed to work that way but doesn't seem to make much difference. It makes me feel better ( if not terribly jaded at this point ) & gives me the right to bit(h, personally or anonymously.
September 12, 2008
8:30 a.m.
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youme writes:
Recall Ritter!!!
September 12, 2008
8:32 a.m.
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youme writes:
Your "Government" has sold you down the river.
None of them care, our system is broken
September 12, 2008
9:16 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Enough, "audits", "committees" and "investigations"!
You ARREST an illegal - you DEPORT the illegal. You arrest him a second time - you put him in prison for a couple years.
How hard is that?
September 12, 2008
9:32 a.m.
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wyhammertime writes:
Try to join the army ??? Oh thats right they are letting GANG members in to train them in warfare now so what's the worry right !! Yes the system is broke but that happened long ago did some desk jockey from immegratoin walk outside and open their eyes????
September 12, 2008
9:42 a.m.
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Cel writes:
roger44 writes:
cel, do you really think I believe for a second that you looked up the white guys nationality when they tried to steal your mower?
Raj, those were the names written on the citation. It didn't take much looking up.
September 12, 2008
10:47 a.m.
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cassidy22 writes:
Happymike has it right. Why is he getting a trial? Why are we spending more tax payer money on this guy? Why isn't he being deported? Or do they have to find him guilty of a crime so they can send him to jail in Mexico?
Sending him home my just see him crossing the border again. He needs to be behind bars, but why US bars? He isn't a citizen here? I don't want to pay to feed him for 80 years...
September 12, 2008
11:46 a.m.
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RainbowWarrior writes:
If message boards like this were available to the Germans in the 1940s... how similar would these postings be to the feelings the Nazis had towards the Jews?
Ok, I wacked a horenet's nest... but you should see yourselves as other will in the context of history and the mean spirited, close minded way many of you approach this issue and your attitudes in general.
All life is precious... this situation is a tragedy no matter who the driver was and no one should use a situation like this to advance a political notion or position. Bob Marley said it best when he would sing, "Untill the color of a man's skin has no more significance than the color of his eyes, there will be war."
War in the East...
War in the West...
War up North...
and war down South...
Everywhere a war!
Will we ever get past this point?
For some of you, I can only hope that spirits and souls do not get recycled, because guess what Great Spirit has in mind for you in the next life time...
September 12, 2008
12:08 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
RainbowWarrior,
This article is about illegal aliens, not about brown skin people. The families of the victims would probably like to see things changed because of this.
September 12, 2008
1:11 p.m.
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BetterEducated writes:
While raised to be a Unitarian, I am the exact sort of person that Hitler was looking to kill. If this were a few decades back and I was writing in Eastern Europe, my life would be at risk.
I am offended by the notion that there is a parallel between the massacre of my people by the state, and Americans' recent zest to control the forces of illegal immigration.
Like Businessman, I am an old native and did not previously feel any animus toward "Mexicans" but have become aware of an irritation about these ongoing illegal immigration issues. It is the persons' behavior -- not their blood, genetic flaws or mere existence, not their education or advancement, not their land holdings or cultural impact -- that we are discussing.
It could be said that the failure to create rules to control this behavior and disallow American business from using these people to drive down their labor costs, itself inspires racial hatred.
When people are not held to the same RULES as the rest of us, that is the problem and the one on the table at this point. You may be 100% sure that when and if the American populace starts to burn the books of any particular segment of society -- or starts to go door to door with the intent of "railroading" them to their deaths -- you will not hear me agreeing with such fundamental Evil. Mine will be the home of refuge and the death of prideful commitment if necessary.
But that is NOT what we are discussing, and the above-stated parallel is disturbing to me.
What we ARE discussing is whether undocumented people are being predated by working under the table, receiving public educational and health benefits for which the rest of us are paying Big Time, and what is the right way to address the fact that we have to punish them if they break our traffic laws and kill innocent people eating ice cream (ARE we required to give them, in prison, a higher shot at survival than many poverty-stricken families?).
That's a legitimate issue to discuss without making those of us who HAVE come to feel irritated by it, also feel guilty that we are engaging in some sort of sadistic wholesale genocide in our inner thoughts. We're NOT.
BusinessMan, I'm hearya.
Signed, BusinessWoman.
September 12, 2008
1:59 p.m.
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RAS writes:
Nothing can be accomplished by complaining on a board. It may make you feel better, but getting involved will make you feel much better. The silent majority can't afford to be silent any longer.
Don't just forget about this issue, get involved. Here are a couple organizations that can help.
** Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform
http://www.cairco.org/
** Numbers USA
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/
September 12, 2008
3:01 p.m.
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redwhiteandBLUE writes:
Who says we are'nt doing anything about it ? Or have'nt ?
September 12, 2008
4:08 p.m.
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RAS writes:
Not saying your weren’t Red. I am just trying to give people another outlet to do something about it. I didn’t see any links to information that could be beneficial to people.
I have been involved in this issue for awhile and have seen a lot of people get fired up over immigration and then that fire dies out and they go back to wishing someone would do something about it.
September 12, 2008
4:34 p.m.
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RAS writes:
Thanks ssqured.
That is a great video on the front page.
I think that was the site that had some good videos from an immigration protest out in CA a few years ago. People were protesting some artwork in a public park glorifying illegal entry in to the US. It got pretty nasty and I think a lot of people are not prepared for that.
I am a big fan of the Numbers site and their email and fax alerts.
Thanks again and I hope that recent events will keep people plugged in.
September 12, 2008
8:53 p.m.
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redwhiteandBLUE writes:
RAS,
I was really responding to thebrokenforum, we don't hide behind computers and complain, we are and have been activly doing everything we can. No use me repeating the same web sites/links you already put up. Thanks. I will never throw the towel in. Anytime I'm called upon for a project I'm there.
Thanks Ras and ssqured.!
September 12, 2008
8:53 p.m.
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carbon05 writes:
thebrokenforum writes
With any luck all 50 of you can get permits to march downtown alongside Tom Metzger and David Duke on MLK day. Then you can all show the city how "right" you are. Godspeed anonymous ,internet coward guy, godspeed.
I must assume that you believe anyone who favors controlling illegal immigration must be a Nazi. I love your typical left wing tactics, you can't make a rational argument against illegal immigration, so you will lump all immigration (legal and illegal) together and then you start name calling. That tactic is getting old.
September 13, 2008
4:55 p.m.
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Layla30 writes:
Before everyone forms their opinions & judgments, all the facts must be revealed…
September 14, 2008
5:23 p.m.
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carryBIGstick writes:
If we as a society did not consider dark skined human beings illegal. This horrible situation would have never happened. Francis Hernandez is the victim in this whole thing. Being forced to use many false names and being forced to survive in a racist culture. This tragedy is the fault of every person who has ever voted for a Nazi/Republican/KKK politician. The only way justice can come of this situation is to FREE FRANCIS HERNANDEZ!!!!
The only reason these racist people want him punished is because they hate Latinos. They don't know why, it's been breed into them since the beginning of this Evil White Supremist Country began. the only way you people like minorities is when their on a plantation being enslaved.
Shame on you all!
Vote JESUS OBAMA, THE GREAT, DIVINE, ALMIGHTY,THE TRUTH, LIGHT, AND THE WAY!