Hit-run suspect likely not a citizen, immigration officials say
By Judi Villa, Rocky Mountain News
Published September 7, 2008 at 9:51 a.m.
Updated September 7, 2008 at 3:16 p.m.
Photo by Aurora Police
Francis Hernandez, 23, of Denver, is in Aurora City Jail on $100,000 bail.
A man accused of causing an accident that sent two cars careening into an ice-cream shop, killing a 3-year-old boy and two women, likely is in the country illegally.
Immigration officials have placed a hold on Francis Hernandez, 23, meaning he will be turned over to federal authorities if he is released from jail.
“Although there is conflicting data on his place of birth, it is currently believed that he is a non-U.S. citizen,” Carl Rusnok, spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said in an email Sunday.
Hernandez’s arrest record with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation indicates he has listed California, Mexico and Guatemela as places of birth.
Hernandez is accused of driving a Chevrolet Suburban that broadsided a pickup truck Thursday night, sending the truck scraping along the side of a Baskin Robbins at East Mississippi Avenue and South Havana Street.
The pickup truck dragged an electrical box with it and somehow snared Marten Kudlis, 3, as he sat by the window inside the Baskin Robbins. Kudlis was dragged to his death.
Two women in the pickup truck, Patricia Guntharp, 49, of Centennial, and her best friend Debra Serecky, 51, of Aurora, also were killed.
Hernandez ran from the scene but was arrested a couple hours later about five miles away.
He had no driver’s license and no insurance, Aurora police have said. Hernandez has a lengthy rap sheet and may never have had a valid license, police said.
With more than a dozen arrests in the past five years, it’s unclear why Hernandez wasn’t deported.
Colorado passed an “anti-sanctuary” bill in 2006 that requires local law enforcement agencies to report to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency any illegal immigrants who are arrested or cited for most offenses that are more serious than a traffic citation.
Just this year, Hernandez was arrested by Aurora and Denver police. His last arrest was July 18 in Denver.
Denver police reports do not indicate if Hernandez’ immigration status was checked, and a spokesman said that information couldn’t be tracked down until Monday.
Jail officials, who would have been responsible for notifying immigration officials if police had made a notation, could not be reached for comment.
Colorado’s bill has been criticized as “window dressing” that has not resulted in any extra deportations.
Rusnok said in his email Sunday that there are “many considerations to deportation.”
“However,” he said, “anyone who is illegally present in the U.S. may be identified, located, arrested and utimately deported.”
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September 7, 2008
10:04 a.m.
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eyeHateLibs writes:
First!
September 7, 2008
10:13 a.m.
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Sundog writes:
Somebody call MECHA, Hernandez needs them now.
September 7, 2008
10:15 a.m.
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MileHighPatriot writes:
Wow, an illegal alien with a record? Say it isn't so! Now, there's a possibility he'll be released to INS? That's bull. He needs to be tried by a court. He needs to rot in jail!
Yet another model "just here for a better life" illegal.
September 7, 2008
10:22 a.m.
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Mike846 writes:
More blood on the hands of our "sanctuary" gorvernments along the Front Range, and Gov. Ritter, and the Democrat-let statehouse. How many people have to DIE at the hands of illegal aliens before our governments will ACT to protect U. S. Citizens? How long before voters along the Front Range understand that the only way to stop these insane policies is to vote AGAINST anything that supports illegal immigration, AGAINST any politician who overtly or covertly supports it, and AGAINST any funding that supports it, including more money for dual-language, "don't ask-don't tell" schools, and start insisting that ICE do it's job. How many more dead American citizens will it take? Mike
September 7, 2008
10:53 a.m.
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Mike_In_Hartsel writes:
Only $10,000 bail for three deaths and he has an extensive criminal record?
September 7, 2008
10:58 a.m.
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Brittanicus writes:
So many crimes are happening across America, that usually do not warrant any national press report. The question is, has this been going on for decades? That only because we have the Internet, instant communication that everybody knows almost immediately? Or is it because the masses of illegal people entering this nation, without being screened has brought with them a third world mentality? If it wasn't for Independent Journalists like Lou Dobbs of CNN or O'Reilly from FOX, Glenn Beck, as the population of activists Americans would forever remain in the dark. Pro-immigrant zealots don't like it, because the average citizen or legal resident has a say in this explosive issue. Regular citizens have become the first line of defense of corrupt politicians and the special interest lobby, that remain in collusion with far-left (9th district court) judges and extremist groups which border on tyranny.
Those who steal across our perforated fence, includes the criminal element that think they above above US law. Each day citizens are slain on the roads of America, by drunk illegal drivers. This is far from isolated case, because these accident reports are not necessary revealed by the biased press. Pedestrians have become 'road kill' daily, especially when the victims are innocent children. Do not expect to read about this carnage in the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times. You need to dig deeper in rural newspapers or the e-media on the Internet, to find the unsuppressed facts.
Then we have the violent street gangs protected by 'Sanctuary cities' like Los Angeles. The unsuppressed news reports will tell you about the child pedophiles, female assaults, murders, robbers and Social security theft that do not get wide press. Thousands of families are left to pick up the pieces of their shattered lives. The pro-immigrant zealots use the same mantra, that citizens and legal residents commit these crimes also...? But why when we have our own inmate crowding our prisons, should we need to support illegal foreign nationals criminals?
It seems like our 'Rule of Laws' are violated everyday, because the business empire demands cheap labor. Our corrupt politicians play games with American lives because they refuse to enforce immigration laws. All encompassing is the Federal SAVE ACT(H.R.4088) that Speaker Nancy Pelosi is trying to derail along with the original two-tier border fence.We need 'zero tolerance' enforcement, that will give maximum arrest and detainment of predator employers of illegal immigrants.
A new AMNESTY is in the works from Senator Obama, McCain which will flood America with even more of poor, illiterate foreign labor. Continent. NUMBERSUSA. LIBERTY POST, IMMIGRATION NEWS INDEXER, JUDICIAL WATCH, UNIPAC, GRASSFIRE, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION JOURNAL These sites report the news, not to be found in the restricted corporate media.
September 7, 2008
11:01 a.m.
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toocool writes:
Legal alliens can be deported to their home of origin by committing a felony or violent acts against the country as well as illegal aliens, this guy could actually be on a green card, regardless with a "long rap sheet" of prior offences, legal or illegal, it clearly shows that Mayor Hiccup and his sancturary friends contributed to this tragedy.
September 7, 2008
11:04 a.m.
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Grywolf20 writes:
My concern is, if Mr. Hernandez has been arrest by Denver for driving his truck without a license and a number of other charges, how did Mr. Hernandez get his vehicle out of impound two weeks ago, so that he could drive this same truck into this fatal situation? It is difficult to understand that if he has been arrested so many times while driving this truck, why has it not remained in impound rather than to be released to a person who has no insurance, no drivers license and all of his numerous arrest have related around traffic. Did no one understand that when he gets his truck back he drives? Could the vehicle not have been impounded as evidence rather than just a regular impound that could be released back to him. Had it been held in impound, then this incident would never have happened and three people would still be alive. Who should be held accountable for these answers?
September 7, 2008
11:10 a.m.
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Brittanicus writes:
Everybody is crying about the Economy? But do you realize the amount of money taxpayers are contributing to the lifestyles of illegal aliens. Not just 12 million as you hear in America? That number was given 6 years ago? Today it's probably between 20 & 30 million and climbing! You are supporting their free health care, education and more than the unsuspecting taxpayers realizes. Forcibly Assigned to you by the parasite employers all around us. Both Presidential candidates are going to deliver to their corporate donors and special interest groups AMNESTY! That will lead to OVERPOPULATION, because the census estimates we will another 120 million more mouths to feed in just twenty years. A 50% increase in people. But what about the millions, just waiting to scramble across our undermanned border? The SAVE ACT (H.R.4088) is our last chance. Join for free NUMBERSUSA, CAPSWEB and save our nation. Read unbiased facts about OVERPOPULATION and the invasion at Judicial Watch. This is a legal, non-profit organisation, that thinks Americans should come first.
September 7, 2008
11:16 a.m.
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Brittanicus writes:
Why not assign our own Class action lawsuit against Laurel, Mississippi, Agriprocessors in Postville, Iowa, Swift plants in Cactus, Tex or any other predatory employer who hires illegal foreign nationals? For hiring illegal immigrants instead of hiring US citizens and legal residents, which is having a massive negative impact on our economy. Let's demand every employer caught pay the health care, education for illegal alien children, back taxes for state and federal taxes, workers compensation.
A quote from Iowa Gov. Chet Culver. "Some employers improperly hire workers as independent contractors to avoid paying benefits like Medicare, Social Security, insurance and workers' compensation. Employers who contribute to the local economy should not have to compete with those employers, who choose to break the law by knowingly misclassifying their employees, " Parasite employers are stealing jobs from US citizens and legal residents who have a right to work.
We must go after the predatory employers with the federal SAVE ACT (H.R.4088) They must be heavily fined, business assets confiscated and even imprisonment. Chasing illegal aliens around is a waste of time. Any business that has more that (5) five illegal aliens in their employ, should be held accountable with harsh penalties. The federal SAVE ACT (H.R.4088) would enforce this. Once the business are harshly punished. Illegal immigrants will self deport, once no jobs are available. Join nearly a million patriots like you to Fax reluctant Democrats before November. Get the uncensored information about illegal immigration at NUMBERSUSA, CAPSWEB & JUDICIAL WATCH.
September 7, 2008
11:24 a.m.
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Brittanicus writes:
Here some traumatic facts the ultra-liberal, big business, the church, special interest lobby and radical extremists try to keep secret from the American people.
Today the Church is moving into a gray are of preaching politics from the pulpit.
The radicals think we should welcome the impoverished of the world into America. Perhaps the Arch Bishops, Cardinals and their thrall should open their own houses, not the church premises to feed, house and give free health care insurance to three of four illegal families instead of taxpayers. They need to get their own ethical issues in order, instead of trying to undermine the US government 'Rule of Law'.
This is not about legal Hispanics who entered America through the front door, but about people who ignored our sovereignty laws and stole into our nation. Must taxpayers be forever support parasite businesses who exploit foreign nationals? Is America condemned to keep on welcoming millions more of poverty, uneducated third world aliens. Are we going to remain burdened with traffic gridlock, access to free health care, free education and cities, communities, neighborhoods compounding pollution and rising crime rate. Border states were under tremendous pressure, with sinking economies until Arizona passed legislation to finally stop pariah businesses, and an overpopulation of illegal immigrants.
Today Arizona is doing better, since they start enforcing immigration restrictions. You can open your eyes here: (www.mensnewsdaily.com/2008/05/15/striking-changes-in-arizona-as-illegal-immigrants-flee-the-state/#comment-62672 )
Read about costs the US government keeps under wraps.
This doesn't include education, free health care or prison services and much more not listed. Find that disturbing report here (www.eagleforum.org/sources).
Read about one committees free health care research. (www.townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/06/12/viral_video_on_immigration_costs )
Then go here to fight back: Read uncensored information about OVERPOPULATION at NUMBERSUSA, CAPSWEB & JUDICIAL WATCH
Call your local Democratic representaive and demand the federal SAVE ACT (H.R.4088) Without jobs, illegal aliens will leave.
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September 7, 2008
11:43 a.m.
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HollyGoLightly writes:
Well, what the heck? 9news reported this morning that their source shows he was born in California. Is he illegal or not?
September 7, 2008
11:46 a.m.
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Grywolf20 writes:
Because he is a poor illegal immigrant, we need to release him immediately and give him a medal for killing more "GRINGOS".
But if my true thoughts were printed here, I would be blackballed out of this illustrious state, and Hillary would be posted at my door steps with all the protesters for open borders.
September 7, 2008
12:04 p.m.
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gary writes:
Grandpaw.....what should we do?
Give him citizenship?
We can not deport him...what about his family?
He only came here to make money to feed his family!
He only killed 3 people after numerous criminal offenses.
Nuff Said!
September 7, 2008
12:06 p.m.
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gary writes:
OK...... intrepid
Let's hear you call all of us "illegal haters"
What is your great lecture?
Racists and Bigotry is the only defense you can come up with?
Nuff Said!
September 7, 2008
12:10 p.m.
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p_myers661 writes:
Don't forget that original stories of this incident included the information omitted here that this man NEVER HAD a driver's license.
Denver just passed a law that vehicles driven by unlicensed drivers must be impounded and sold unless the licensed owner posts a $2500 bond. What happened? Did Mayor Hickey decide to overrule the voters?
Remember this one when you vote this year. They're trying to take away our right to petition items onto the ballot. Politicians say they're only "adjusting" the system by increasing the number of signatures needed to a level and status nearly impossible to meet and keeping such measures out of the constitution. The meaning of that is to keep as many as possible off of the ballot. Those they can't prevent, they want to be able to kill or sneak around.
Don't fall for it. time we passed the same laws as Arizona and Oklahoma. The self deportation from those states is leaving tracks. One illegal is quoted as saying, "Of course I left Oklahoma. There they won't let you work because they are afraid of the new laws. In Texas they let you work."
Time to send the right messages to the right people. We might not be able to change the minds of the presidential candidates. We can, and should, be sure we only elect members of Congress who want to protect citizens not coddle illegals.
Three people just died because of this coddling. How many more have to die before politicians decide to represent Americans first?
September 7, 2008
1 p.m.
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peter303 writes:
Perhaps Hickenlooper and Ritter should reconsider their "sancturary" policy for this case and others (or voters recall them). 18 priors lightly treated until this brutal murder of three people. Never had a license, insurance or registration on 18 priors.
September 7, 2008
1:04 p.m.
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BrandiWine_84 writes:
Hey I have a great idea! Why don't you all get on here and say the same thing as one another, which is the same thing you say every time an article posts on your favorite topic? Oh wait, it appears that you are already doing that. . . .
When I read the posts, I Always get to one and think, "Didn't I read this one? Did somebody post the same one twice?" Upon scrolling back up I discover that the messages and posters are different, but they are just feeding each other and regurgitating the same nauseating junk.
I do have several posters that I really do like and appreciate their presence here. I actually appreciate most of them, except for the completely ridiculous locos and y'all know a few that I could be talking about, yeah I like it here even when I am right and you are wrong, which we all hold to be true from time to time LoL
September 7, 2008
1:13 p.m.
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spyder writes:
Hey Mayor Hick and Gov. Rip. - Add 3 more deaths, at least, to your resume of accomplishments. Tell the families of the dead how wonderful your "leadership" is.
September 7, 2008
1:34 p.m.
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Scott writes:
Or even better yet intrepid, we call call them precisely what they are, "criminals". They are in the U.S. without proper authorization and hence breaking U.S. law.
Scott
September 7, 2008
1:40 p.m.
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Scott writes:
The article in this morning's version of the Post expanded on what is going on with this murderer. It appears that this democrat wanna-be has given authorities at least four different places/times of its birth over the span of its plethora of arrests. At least one of the places of birth that it has given is Mexico, hence the ICE hold on this murderer.
Here is the link to a much better written article about this POS: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnew...
Scott
September 7, 2008
1:46 p.m.
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anderson writes:
As the family mourns, a mob gathers at the town square and swaps lies. An out-of-state agitator named Britannicus passes out hate literature. Someone produces a rope, another a knife. Several practice jabbing their pitchforks in the air, as if to say they’re looking for a pound of flesh. "Let's get 'em", someone cries. The mob lurches forward, full of desire for revenge--like Frankenstein's monster unmindful of where it's going or what it's doing. Lawns are muddied. Windows are broken. The mayor receives threatening calls. Small children are trampled. The town is no longer safe.
September 7, 2008
1:50 p.m.
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Scott writes:
WOW! anderson really has a souped up imagination. BTW, I'm darn good at knot tying. Especially, the "Alcatraz Twist" knot. It's place on the left shoulder, just behind the mid-line ;-)
Scott
September 7, 2008
2 p.m.
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anderson writes:
At the News9 site, someone wrote "gimme a rope" or something to that effect. Thanks for the link, Scott. It turns out we don't really know his status, and notwithstanding your claim, we don't even know if he belongs to a political party.
September 7, 2008
2:43 p.m.
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coarizona writes:
Legal or illegal. I bet he doesn't have a valid drivers license or insurance.
September 7, 2008
3:48 p.m.
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strohslite writes:
Anderson, as I have told you before, you refused to see the truth. I invited you to our National Security Conference in Broomfield, and you refused cause it was too far to the right. Well, the information that was given at that conference concerned this matter. You still refuse to see what is happening in our country more and more due to unsecured borders. Why should Americans tolerate lawbreakers here? They do not care about America! They do not care about you! All they care about is money! Open your eyes and see the truth!
Like I told you before, I don't need to hide behind my computer. I was out in the open informing America of incidents as this done by illegal aliens. I can only hope the families of the people killed, can be strong and hold each other close. God bless them.
September 7, 2008
3:55 p.m.
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September 7, 2008
4:05 p.m.
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happymike44 writes:
This guy needs to be executed and his scum family deported to protect the rest of us.
As for I.C.E. look what happens to them when they try to protect us from this scum.
They get some dope dealer to testify against the american citizen protecting our country.
We then gave that piece of scum immunity from being convicted.
So what does it tell these people do what you want rape,murder,kill and rob with little fear of conviction.
So a word to the wise we all sit on jury duty and do have a way to change the legal system.
That way is to listen to the evidence and if we disagree with the defense attorney convict them of the crime.
This sends a message to the scum you will go to jail.
You will be convicted and go to jail for the rest of your disgusting useless miserable life.
September 7, 2008
4:09 p.m.
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GetReal writes:
intrepid-
Remember this from yesterdays Hernandez thread?
I said-
September 6, 2008
10:13 a.m.
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GetReal writes:
"The one bit of info that everybody wants to know about somehow is conveniently omitted.
The RMN just happens to feel it is not important to divulge Hernandez's immigration status and lists him as being simply from Aurora.
Their lack of clarity all but proves the guy is an illegal, and once again illustrates how The Rocky buries pertinent information to provide cover for their poor, misunderstood illegals.
If and when the RMN ever decides to clarify Hernandez's immigration status, look for them to report he is "from Mexico" only and leave it at that.
Watch for the RMN to blame the cops next, whose hands are tied thanks to asinine procedures enacted by Dems and and supported by The Rocky themselves.
Innocent people would still be alive today if immigration laws were enforced.
How many more people will die thanks to political correctness?"
And then you said-
September 6, 2008
7:27 p.m.
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intrepid writes:
GetReal,
"You should be ashamed of yourself for assuming that he's an illegal, when there is no mention of it anywhere. And no, I wouldn't change my tune if this were to happen to someone close to me. I know myself, thank you!
Have a nice day."
Let me guess, somewhere in your next response I will be called a racist.
September 7, 2008
4:10 p.m.
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Scott writes:
anderson,
I know what my own kind pull off. I've been registered as a democrat since 1974.
Scott
September 7, 2008
4:17 p.m.
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GlacierDragon writes:
1. This didn't happen in *Denver* so the law to take away the vehicle that Denver passed doesn't apply.
2. It wasn't his SUV according to other articles. So who is the bozo that lent this bozo their car?
3. I hope ICE doesn't grab him and Deport him because Mexico will not extradite suspects in death penalty cases. They also will not allow you to add more charges after extradition. So if he does make it south of the border, we'll have to have all our ducks in a row and *solidly* before we can bring him back. Gives him a pretty good chance to just disappear.
September 7, 2008
4:22 p.m.
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Brix57 writes:
Why is it that these comments veer off the article written? Do many of these comments just read what others have written and ignore the article? Certainly seems that way.
The incident occurred in Aurora and not in Denver so all the references to Denver Mayor Hickenlooper and the Denver City Council simply don't apply.
September 7, 2008
4:25 p.m.
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DakotaPlainsman writes:
It will be very interesting to see if Tina Griego writes about this incident. I know the keyboard of her computer don't have the letters that form the word illegal alien.
She will have another schnazzy word for his status. I don't think the RMN will tell us for sure what it is.
You are here legally or you are here illegally. This there a middle ground?
People who commit crimes are criminals.
To enter a country without proper documentation or to stay beyond the authorized amount of time makes for a crime, does it not?
September 7, 2008
4:33 p.m.
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anderson writes:
I see a murder (stabbing, not negligence) was committed in Centennial last night. For some reason, the mob hasn't gathered over there and no one has called it a sanctuary city, made up any lies about people who live in Centennial, passed out hate literature, made unverifiable assumptions about the accused or his family, threatened the mayor, threatened to hang the accused, made up accusations of being called a racist (the unfair leveling of which is the worst crime in America), talked about it on talk radio, or accused the mayor or even their Congressman of the murder. Of course mobs are always acting on emotion and I guess a certain emotion just doesn't get a lot of traction in Centennial.
September 7, 2008
4:38 p.m.
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anderson writes:
GlacierDragon, as much as I know, the death penalty is never applied in cases of negligent homicide--not in our legal system anyway. Of course there are always the vigilantes who have their own concept of justice.
September 7, 2008
4:56 p.m.
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Vector049 writes:
Typical Bush and McCain spin-off...do little or nothing so businesses can reap increased profits from cheap labor.
September 7, 2008
5:01 p.m.
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TW writes:
Regardless of Anderson's sophistry and hyperbole (and not very good at it, btw), if the law had been followed and this non-citizen or illegal alien or whatever you want to call him had been deported or jailed, then three innocent people would be alive today. And that is a fact beyond dispute.
It is high time that the officials responsible stop this nonsensical policy and denial of responsibility and start enforcing the law. It is high time that we the citizens of this nation get some protection from Mexican criminals.
Although the Democrats certainly deserve lots of blame, (Hickenlooper and Ritter specifically), George W. Bush deserves much of the blame because as we have been reminded by all of the illegal alien apologists, illegal immigration is a Federal matter.
How many more have to die before something is done? How many dead children are enough?
September 7, 2008
5:10 p.m.
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anderson writes:
Don't forget Congress TW, if you're gonna be pointing fingers. And don't forget talk radio either, which was instrumental in ensuring that bipartisan legislation *wasn't* passed in the last session.
September 7, 2008
5:20 p.m.
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MileHighPatriot writes:
How old is intrepid? Sounds like a middle schooler on the computers.
alien = foreign
illegal = against the law
Not wrong at all.
September 7, 2008
5:27 p.m.
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leibwss writes:
As the liberals would say about illegal immigration, "if it makes life better for one Mexican baby, then its all worth it."
September 7, 2008
5:28 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Look folks get over it; the mayors own employee at his restaurant, a mexican illegal dishwasher murdered a cop, Donny Young; do you think the mayor had the honor to publicly apologize to the rank and file of the Denver police Department? No, he could care less, which is how the rank and file feel about him. Mr. Hinckenloopers name should one be associated with a hedgehoping thief with whom he feels he has a lot in common with. This is a sanctuary city run by a democrat, in a sanctuary state run by another democrat. Democrats love illegals and sanctuary cities so much, they honor them by holding thier convention in a non-union venue, in a sanctuary city. So whats new? Maybe now the city council will see the wisdom of the people who have to pass laws to get thier point across, no more sanctuary city. Now lets pass laws that charge the employers criminally and sieze property from landlords who allow thier property to be used to harbor illegals in violation of the law. City doesn't want to do thier job, it's time for the people to step up and act responsibily by voting in more penalties for those who flaunt the laws of our country, state, and cities. It's simple, we are the people who rule by majority. Just don't single out one type of illegal, do every illegal equal across the board. People get charged with felonies and lose thier property for thier illegal act in violating the law, maybe they'll think twice about breaking the law. Immigration was designed to weed out criminals from other countries, as well as those found to be undesirable. Perhaps if the law would have been told to enforce it properly, this man would not have been here as a criminal with a lenthy record, living in a sanctuary state. We have huge apartment complexes here on South Federal in Denver full of illegals; the city could care less. Now they even protest our country in our very own streets. Maybe it's time to enact more serious laws that tie the politicians hands.
September 7, 2008
5:30 p.m.
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strohslite writes:
Anderson, in all your infinite wisdom, why do you refuse to see the truth that is out there? Talk radio had nothing to do with what you call "bipartisan legislation". The American people responded and voted against amnesty time and time again. You liberal folks refuse to believe Americans are educated. What is your excuse for wanting to maintain open borders and sympathy for ILLEGAL ALIENS?
September 7, 2008
5:38 p.m.
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dragonfly writes:
Intrepid wrote:
"First, I would like to say that the term "illegal alien" is incorrect. The correct term should be "displaced non-citizen" instead.
Who displaced him? I'm sure he wasn't forced to come here. Perhaps we should call him "alien to the human race". I think that's fitting for this low life.
September 7, 2008
6:34 p.m.
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gwats writes:
Dry up the money by Jailing/ Fining employers who hire them, Impound their vehicles when they are caught without a license or insurance,( Concentrate heavily on pickup trucks used for work) and make it impossible for them to transact business like wire transfers back to their home countries by adding stiff fees and requiring proof of legal Residency, and the problem of illegal people goes away overnight. If Mr. Hernandez had been arrested in July (In Denver) and his vehicle impounded, THREE Aurora residents would not be dead today. You want safer Streets? Make the HARD choices and make these folks unwelcome until they are Legally invited in. Ask mayor Hickenlooper if the lives of three people is worth the $$$ savings of not impounding the cars of unlicensed drivers. One of those dead was a three year boy eating ice cream and doing nothing but being a happy little guy. His blood is on your hands now.
September 7, 2008
6:41 p.m.
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kilpatrick88 writes:
Intrepid and Scott,
What has people so enraged about this situation is that it's reflective of growing trend that has to be stopped. As a resident of New Mexico, and someone familar with problem of Illegal immigration in this state, I can tell you that approx 40% of the prison population in this state is comprised of non-citizens - the vast majority from Mexico. This is from Data released by the NM Dept. of Corrections.
Another factor enraging so many of us legal residents is that it's the Democrats who ignore this data. They also try to exploit this population for the purposes of gaining political votes. The Democrats actually tried to pass legislation in this state making it ILLEGAL for election officials to ask for official ID when persons try to vote - why, because the illegals will undoubtedly vote for the Dems.
The fact of the matter is that a SIGNIFICANT percentage of this illegal population commits crimes, and this incident is just another example. This trend has to stop and our politicians have to be held accountable
By the way, what moronic judge posted bail at $10,000? The criminal will post his 10% and be in Juarez in 24-48hrs.
September 7, 2008
6:45 p.m.
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GlacierDragon writes:
1. This didn't happen in *Denver* so the law to take away the vehicle that Denver passed doesn't apply.
Yes, THIS did not happen in Denver. His LAST arrest, was July 18, 2008, WAS in Denver, however. Thanks again Mayor Hick. Hernandez has been arrested 16 times in five years in Colorado. Thanks again, Guv.
According to CBI records, Hernandez has 11 aliases and two listed birth dates, has four listed birth places including Mexico.
The only time I have seen a REPEAT OFFENDER, with a HISTORY of running from the law, failure to appear and warrants for the persons arrest , with another offense pending, AND taken to jail for a NEW offense, and the first bail option being so low, is an illegal alien.
The person who LENT him the vehicle for his last two offenses SHOULD be charged with murder also.
I am EXTREMELY INTERESTED in the name of the registered owner of the SUV, that allowed this POS access and control, to the murder weapon.
September 7, 2008
6:50 p.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
Some lawyer files a piece of paper and now look at this brouhaha. I reckon the dude behind the wheel is going to jail for a long time starting now. So, guess what? I'm not worried about him driving anymore.
I don't know if he's a citizen or not. Neither does anyone else, including the authorities apparently. If he was born in California to an Irish drunkard married to a hot tamale from Columbia then he's a US citizen. Not to worry...crow doesn't taste all that bad.
Ironically, most of the idiots who hate Mexicans consistently vote for the very same conservatives that encourage their importation. Conservatives love illegal immigration and all that cheap labor. Makes it easy to bust unions.
So, get mad. Get real mad! Blow a gasket you friggin' morons! It's all your making! You voted for it.
Have nice day...
September 7, 2008
7:28 p.m.
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Uno writes:
Some of these posts are perfect example of how retarded some liberals are and how far they are detached from reality. Rooting from the sidelines for illegals, they are just as dangerous to 3 year old boys and the rest of the law abiding populace as Hernandez. These liberals and their elected representatives are directly responsible for the loss of life here.
September 7, 2008
7:38 p.m.
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happymike44 writes:
I wonder with the anniversary of 9-1-1 approaching and still we have not secured our border.
We have beenat war for almost 8 years and still our borders remain open for any murdering scum to come here and commit as many godless acts as possible.
These people have no rights theyare not illegal aliens not immigrants.
The papers paint such a lovely picture of Jaun and Jaumite come to america and make all their dreams come true.
That is because they get free social security money and welfare stamps and medical.
No wonder they want to come here it is like leaving out food for cockroaches.
They come out at night and breed uncontrolled and destroy everything in sight.
Now you get it time to ship the illegals back to Mexico and seal our borders.
No more truckers allowed over the borders only americans can drive trucks in this country.
American jobs for American workers and also lets impound and jail employers who knowing hire these people.
I say if we started putting people in jail for a few years.
Maybe we can stop the flow of illegals robbing us of our future and its resources.
We cannot feed and shelter the world.
We can't even shelter our own people why are we taking more people in when we don't resources to provide them with.
Close our borders now for our safety.
September 7, 2008
7:38 p.m.
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Sundog writes:
Dear Holier....you're not holy, you're just another airhead spouting "facts" that you don't bother to reference, then jumping to a conclusion based on the inference. What droll catcrap you do peddle, son. Back to Boulder with you and all your little friends, you have no credibility here. Go grok the locals on Pearl Street, they love that smelly ol' garbage up there. Buh bye.
September 7, 2008
7:51 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
"Liberty is preserved with 4 boxes: soap, jury, ballot, and cartridge." -- Dan Skinner
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"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive."
God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion; what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."
"It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others: or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own."
"If once [the people] become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions."
You know what RADICAL said the above???
THOMAS JEFFERSON!!
I think it is becoming very close to the time to use the FOURTH BOX...This travesty is about enough to push some over the edge..
"When they took the 4th amendment away, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the 6th amendment away, I was quiet because I had never been arrested. When they took the 2nd amendment away, I was quiet because I didn't own a gun. Now they've taken away the 1st amendment, and all I can do is be quiet." -- Fred Albury
September 7, 2008
7:57 p.m.
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Quidam writes:
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Does any Colorado politician really care? Not!
¡Cada uno viene en a través del Río Grande! No esté preocupados por la Inmigración Ilegal. ¡El gobierno de EE. UU da la bienvenida a usted!
Oh! And, be sure to seek work from a Republican business guy outside a Home Depot or 7-Eleven -- and vote for Obama.
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September 7, 2008
8:13 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
Legal or illegal he is a piece of sh** coward who killed a baby. His citizenship makes no difference to me. As if him being illegal is going to give some kind of closure to the victims families. All it does is give a lot of windbags to degrade a whole group of people for the actions of a person of the same race or nationality.
September 7, 2008
8:19 p.m.
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MileHighPatriot writes:
intrepid,
so because you feel sorry for underdeveloped countries, you won't come to the conclusion that illegal immigration is illegal/wrong? Why can't you admit that?
Also, why can't you admit that this incident/crime should have never have happened?
Why do you care more about principle than doing the right thing?
September 7, 2008
8:24 p.m.
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theairdog writes:
Vector049 writes:"Typical Bush and McCain spin-off...do little or nothing so businesses can reap increased profits from cheap labor."
And yet it is Obama who wants to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.
Doesn't sound as if anyone in politics has a good plan. BOTH sides are for amnesty.
Learn the facts Dipwad.
September 7, 2008
8:29 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
WOW! I just saw the most recent Gallup Poll showing Mc Cain has finally overtaken Obama 48 to 45 point respectfully. That is amazing, it going to be a real fight it looks like. Either way immigration needs to be tightened up, people coming into our country screened for undesirables, the country of origin billed for thier incarceration, and those Americans who choose to break the law held accountable, and new laws passed that force government to end sanctuary, by confiscation of assets used to aid and abet criminal activity, such as houses and apartment buildings that are rented or owned by illegals. Government could clean up and make some much needed revenue off the resale after due process is completed. They want to march we need to use the power of the vote; we'll see which is stonger. We can be just like the country they came from concerning immigration, they don't allow illegal immigration, niether should America. They deport illegal aliens, America should deport illegal aliens. That new law got thier attention, let's enact a few more for the employers to face felonies and landlords face confiscation of property for the property being used to aid and abet illegals in violation of the federal law. We can end much of the problem at the voting booth where politicians truly face the will of the people. If the democrats who claim to be pro-labor support illegal immigration and give sanctuary like Colorado's democrats, vote republican. That voting booth put the bit in the politicians mouth. Now Ritter is putting up 59 on the ballot to end run the TABOR amendment; vote it down if you support TABOR. And when the judge upsurps the will of the people by voiding the the peoples will; vote against thier retention. That ballot box seats the bit in thier mouth, gives the people control over them. When your own mayor's restaurant employs them, and they murder your city's police officers in cold blood and run to Mexico, and the mayor sits there all smug, it's time to vote in some laws that give the people the power to force the issue. This man wouldn't have been able to do this if the law was enforced. From cops to 3 year olds, enough is enough of letting these politicians trample the laws of our nation by randomly selecting which ones they want to enforce. Vote, it's not racist to protect America and Americans from foriegn criminals flooding our nation. So it's getting time, lets start to take action, vote!
September 7, 2008
8:37 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
ONEman, it makes a difference when the mayor and the governor are the murderers by proxy, for failure to enforce the laws that protect us. Immigration status may not bring closure, but I bet it sure angers realizing this criminal came to our country illegally, and was allowed to accumulate a lenthy criminal history, because our government state and local gave him sanctuary. Yes, it matters when the government refuses to protect the citizens; it doesn't bring closure, it stirs anger!
September 7, 2008
9 p.m.
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p_myers661 writes:
anderson,
I still wonder why he got his vehicle back so soon. If it was before the law was approved by Denver voters, it is a textbook example of why that law needs to be obeyed and strongly enforced. It should also be copied by every county in the state, or, to simplify it, passed by the state.
It is not illegal to rent property to illegals. It can be argued that it might be possible to make it illegal. Goal would be to make them not rent or stay.
Best solution would be to follow the logic of the business that employs illegals. They do it for money. Make it too expensive. Make the fines double for each illegal starting at the second one. Fine five thousand for the first add ten thousand for the second, twenty thousand for the third, forty thousand for the fourth and eighty thousand for the fifth. Continue the multiplication across county lines so that a company with six stores or plants hiring illegals will risk not only five thousand dollars for one illegal working at their business but three hundred and ten thousand dollars total. There is no business that will willingly risk such a fine. This also makes it possible to double the fines across the board for a second offense by the same business. Include the loss of a business license for each site for the third incident at that site and no business will take that chance.
A few changes in the independent contractor laws would make it impossible for a construction business to use illegals without responsibility or penalties. The additional fine of double or triple cost for all building permits for that contractor/business for a period of five years would make hiring illegals a death wish for that business.
See anderson, no punishments for illegals, only for employers.
And we should all remember that George Bush was completely behind the amnesty bill. Obama was for it. McCain had his name on it. Our only hope to prevent amnesty is to only vote for those members of Congress who will vote against it!
Get as upset as you like. Americans, a whole lot of them, want an end to illegal immigration. If we don't get it, we will do our best to punish those who dump this country in the trash for their own personal gains.
September 7, 2008
9:21 p.m.
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Bearbusiness writes:
MileHighPatriot...He has an immigration detainer filed against him. This means that if he posts bond then he will be turned directly over to ICE. Otherwise, he will be held in local custody until he serves his sentence...assuming of course that he is found guilty. Also, there hasn't been an INS since 2003. ICE is a merger of the legancy agencies of INS and U.S. Customs....hence the name Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
September 7, 2008
9:41 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
''Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.'' -- Michael Rivero
"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
September 7, 2008
9:42 p.m.
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BikerChick writes:
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The caustic rock-throwing in these comments is tearing a great nation apart.
If you are a progressive, what will it take to convince you that illegal immigration is THE biggest and most expensive problem in the USA today ?
With regard to Mr. Hernandez (or whatever his real name is), we must prosecute, convict, and incarcerate him. When his sentence is completed, he must be deported if he is an illegal immigrant.
1. Are you aware that it is unlawful for illegal aliens to come to the USA ?
2. Are you aware that our hospitals, schools, courts, jails and infrastructure are falling apart because the illegal immigrants are here ?
3. Are you aware that people like the three who died in Aurora are needlessly being killed, maimed or injured every day in the USA ?
4. Are you aware that the U S immigration laws have been in effect for a long, long time, for three main reasons;
a. Protect U S jobs for legal U S residents
b. Protect U S legal residents from diseases in third-world nations
c. Protect legal U S residents from felons in third-world nations
Do you agree with these laws ?
5. Are you aware that Denver and Aurora have processes intended to afford sanctuary to illegal immigrants ? Is that appropriate or fair to other criminals, or to YOU and your loved ones ?
6. Are you aware that fully 10% of the more than 40 million fully-employed adult illegal immigrants now in the USA are seasoned felons ? 4 MILION FELONS.
7. Are you aware that Colorado hosts more than 700,000 illegal immigrants, which includes 70,000 felons ?
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September 7, 2008
9:42 p.m.
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timeandagain writes:
spyder -
excellent post! Hick and the City Council has blood on their hands! ENFORCE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE - JOHN HICKENLOOPER!!! It is your responsibility as the mayor (for now!) of our city. If this animal was truly arrested in Denver on July 18 for traffic related offenses, the BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS MAYOR (AND MONTERO/GARCIA CITY COUNCIL!!)...
September 7, 2008
9:47 p.m.
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BikerChick writes:
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8. Are you aware that more than one BILLION immigrants want to come to the USA ? Is it discrimination to favor the 40 million already here ?
Would you agree that the three people killed in Aurora a few days ago would be alive today if YOUR three elected folks in the U S Congress had done their job ? Maybe they should vote to put the U S Marines on our southern border to get control of drug trafficking, illegal immigrant flow, and rampant gangster activities ?
The easiest way to prevent future needless deaths is to investigate, prosecute and incarcerate greedy, crooked employers. When we successfully incarcerate 99 of these criminals, the problem will fade away as the employer-peers get legal, the jobs for illegal immigrants dry up in Colorado – and the migrants go ‘back home.’
What will it take to motivate YOU to lead that effort – joining hands with the others who are fed up ? How many more innocent legal U S residents must die needlessly ?
HERE’S THE GOOD NEWS; 62% of the illegal immigrants that come to the USA do NOT want to become U S citizens. All they want to do is earn some money, and return to their ‘home nation’ to make a new start. Do your three elected folks in the U S Congress understand that ?
HERE’S THE BAD NEWS; that means only 38% of the illegal aliens want to become U S citizens, and more than one-fourth of those are seasoned felons. Because the background historical information is so sloppy, we don’t have a good way to sort these folks. The three-ring circus with Mr. Hernandez demonstrates that dilemma. And then there is the dilemma that some 20 million are ahead of them in the legal immigration paperwork line, and the limit is one million per year approved to become citizens.
Let’s work together to solve the illegal immigration problem. While we do that, let's convince the media to report the balanced truth.
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September 7, 2008
9:54 p.m.
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September 7, 2008
10:14 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
"A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!" -- Alexander Hamilton
"Those who profess to favor freedom, yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightening. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." -- Frederick Douglass
"The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -- Teddy Roosevelt
"What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It's not good at much else." -- Tom Clancy
"Abuse of power isn't limited to bad guys in other nations. It happens in our own country if we're not vigilant." -- Clint Eastwood
"I was taught very early on that the state can be, and is, a liar and a murderer." -- Christopher Hitchens
And for the people who disagree about The ILLEGAL ALIEN INVASION THAT IS REALITY, This quote sums up my feelings:
"When you're taking flak, you must be over the target." -- Jim Robinson
September 7, 2008
10:18 p.m.
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mmannino writes:
Sanctuary policies are threatening the safety of everyone. Regardless of your position on amnesty, sanctuary policies are a threat to safety. Any non citizen committing a felony should be prosecuted and deported. Any politician who supports sanctuary policies has blood on his hands. This senseless tragedy was indirectly caused by sanctuary policy and lack of law enforcement.
September 7, 2008
10:32 p.m.
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timeandagain writes:
Brandywine- yes. i couldn't find the quote in the earlier posts but, if true, those are VERY stupid comments.
I will say this however...If it turns out that Denver PD had more than 2-3 total "contacts" with this guy - particularly in light of the July 18 incident - this deal is going to EXPLODE in the Mayor's face!! As it should...
and the City Council's face. WHICH VOTED 10-1 AGAINST IMPOUNDING THE CARS OF UNLICENSED DRIVERS that are stopped for traffic violations!!!
THE DENVER VOTERS PASSED IT ON AUGUST 12!! WHERE IS THE ENFORCEMENT MAYOR?? CITY COUNCIL??
BY CODE, YOU HAVE 7 DAYS to certify AND begin enforcement!!!!
WHERE IS THE NEWS COVERAGE OF THE NON-ENFORCEMENT ROCKY & POST?? OR EVEN THE PASSING OF THE INITIATIVE????? "journalists" my bottom...
September 7, 2008
11:50 p.m.
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timeandagain writes:
sherlock - I agree. There is very little difference between lib & conserv. voters on this issue! WE ALL AGREE THAT WE NEED TO END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION NOW!!
September 8, 2008
12:46 a.m.
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ONEman writes:
The word illegal immigrant sure brings out the classy folks in Denver huh?
brandi wine says the only good Mexican is a dead one.
Your just going to paint all of em with one stroke of the brush?
It seems that you have problems far beyond immigration issues.
You feel the need to wish death upon another human being, even worse all Mexicans. It's people like you who make me cringe and distance myself as far from you as possible on this issue. If the issue is that important to you, why don't you stop sh***ing out of your mouth and get educated enough to make a point without embarrassing yourself. Most posters made good points about immigration and you dumped allover it, with comments that show this about your hateful nature, not Americas well being. With every story that is posted about a Hispanic and crime, we become more divided and take two giant steps backwards. I have never seen a story about Hispanics doing positive things in the RMN. They prefer to perpetuate negative focus on Hispanics at large, not just illegals. Some of the posts on here show how this affects people who are afraid and need to hate in order to feel safe. Very sad people. Very sad.
September 8, 2008
5:30 a.m.
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Myhighhorse writes:
Oneman you need to read before you post Brandi wine was refering to raman boys post and she stated that was the worst she has heard on the board. I honestly think this problem is past repair and is going to take drastic measures to get solved.
September 8, 2008
8:32 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
I'm with you sherlock!
September 8, 2008
9:28 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
"There is only one word, that I can think of, that describes Colorados attitude towards illegals (I'll go back to using this term): Xenephobic. And quite frankly, I find it most alarming. And it's this attitude that makes them, the illegals, feel alientated and abused."
This case is only one example of why we feel that way. The illegals should not only feel alienated, they should also BE alienated.
September 8, 2008
10:08 a.m.
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aethril writes:
I say let him go. Eventually he will commit a crime so terrible everyone’s eyes will be opened. Wait… what could he do that would be worse than killing 2 women and a 3yr old boy eating ice cream?!!! It does not matter if he is an illegal immigrant or even if he was/is a criminal. 23yr old Francis Hernandez chose to drive without a license, he drove recklessly, he crashed and killed 3 people, he fled the scene. Should we even have to discuss what to do with him? I know, put him in jail. Then the families of Marten Kudlis, Patricia Guntharp, and Debra Serecky will, in part, pay for Francis Hernandez to be educated, medicated, kept cool in summer, kept warm in winter. Sick.
September 8, 2008
2:31 p.m.
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MileHighPatriot writes:
intrepid,
You're really digging your own grave.
Guess what, I'm Mexican by heritage! WooHoo! Doesn't make me better than any white, black, asian, or purple person.
Yes, Hispanics, and Spanish speakers are the MAJORITY in this hemisphere. Most Americans don't realize that. More Americans should learn more than just English...
However, the don't HAVE TO if they don't want to because they live in an overwhelmingly English speaking environment that started out so, and remains so. Incoming visitors and residents should then adapt, not the other way around.
You do what every other libtard does with this issue... bundle up immigration with ILLEGAL immigration. There is a difference sweety... or did your teachers not tell you so? Well I'm telling you so. Get an education while you're at it.
Being against ILLEGAL immigration does not make you a bigot, or 'unclassy' or 'unhip'.
Thanks for letting me crack an egg of knowledge over your head.
September 8, 2008
7:50 p.m.
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MileHighPatriot writes:
Oh oh... looks like someone doesn't know how to counter with a good argument. Did that make so much sense to you that it blew your mind and you don't know what else to say?
I'm rubber you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.
Pobresita!
September 10, 2008
10:50 p.m.
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MileHighPatriot writes:
Um.... read the posts. Playing dumb doesn't help your cause.