Family grapples with 3-year-old's death

April M. Washingtonand Judi Villa, Rocky Mountain News

Published September 5, 2008 at 12:41 a.m.

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Broken glass and other debris are seen Friday inside Baskin-Robbins in Aurora, which was the scene of a fatal automobile wreck. Below, Jennifer Clayburn , 21, center, hugs her sister, Kristin, 17, after the two left flowers at the site, where three people, including a 3-year-old boy, were killed.

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Marten Kudlis had the type of evening any 3-year-old would love. He went to the park with his mom then stopped at Baskin-Robbins for an ice cream treat.

But as the little boy sat at a table by the window Thursday night, a hit-and-run driver without a valid license slammed into a pickup truck outside. The pickup then went scraping against the ice cream store's facade, dragging debris from a utility box and pulling Marten to his death.

"I loved him so much. He was my only child," Marten's father, Vito Kudlis, 36, said Friday as he wept where his son died near East Mississippi Avenue and South Havana Street.

Two women in the pickup truck, driver Patricia Guntharp, 49, of Centennial, and Debra Serecky, 51, of Aurora, also were killed. They were turning left into a hamburger restaurant when they were broadsided.

Serecky and Guntharp were "best friends," said a man at his Aurora home who identified himself as Serecky's husband. He said he didn't want to talk. "Her kids don't know yet," he said. "Just give me a day or so."

Calls to Guntharp's home went unanswered. "She was super nice," said neighbor Jacob Luck. "Her son came over to talk to us a little bit."

One of Guntharp's former neighbors, Barbara Buss, of Aurora, said she was too distraught to talk. "I'm in shock," Buss said. "They lived next door for years."

Two women and a 10-year-old girl, who was a friend of the Kudlis family, also were inside the ice cream shop and suffered minor to serious injuries.

Friday, a child's camouflage hat, candles and a small, stuffed dalmatian toy leaned against the light pole where Marten drew his last breath. His parents also placed a photo of their smiling son. Another photo leaned on a ledge, with flowers, beneath the shattered window where he had sat.

Marten, a playful child with a constant smile, had just celebrated his birthday on Aug. 22.

"Why, Jesus, why?" Vito Kudlis wailed as he visited the scene of the accident. "I just don't understand why God let this happen. I don't know what to do. My son was such a good boy."

Kudlis and his wife, Eneily, 33, immigrated to the United States from Russia. The couple moved to Colorado eight years ago from Coney Island, N.Y.

'Nothing we could do'

"I loved him so much," Eneily Kudlis said. "You would think he would be safe in a building. I don't understand. I don't understand why he wasn't safe."

Tom Rudy, who owns a liquor store nearby, said he heard a loud crash about 8 p.m., called 911 then went to help.

He saw a woman come out of the ice cream shop, her leg red with blood. She said she was OK. One of the vehicles had gas pouring out of it. Rudy could smell the fumes and worried it would explode.

"It was pretty chaotic," Rudy said. "There was nothing we could do."

The driver accused of causing the crash ran from the scene and called a friend to pick him up, police said. Police arrested Francis Hernandez, 23, more than four hours later, about 5 miles away, in southeast Denver.

Lt. John Sopranuk said detectives were able to trace Hernandez's whereabouts based on evidence they found from the Suburban he was driving. He did not disclose what the evidence was.

The vehicle didn't belong to Hernandez or his friend, nor was it stolen.

Detectives also were looking at the possibility that Hernandez may have showered and destroyed his clothing after the crash, Sopranuk said. Hernandez allegedly told the friend that he fled because he didn't have a driver's license or insurance. Hernandez's friend, who picked him up, is cooperating with police. Hernandez suffered cuts and bruises to his torso and forehead from the collision, the lieutenant said.

Hernandez, who has a lengthy rap sheet, is being held on $100,000 bail. He faces three counts of vehicular homicide, hit and run, vehicular assault and numerous other charges.

Before the wreck, Hernandez was speeding and moving in and out of traffic south on Havana Street, witnesses said. At least three witnesses told detectives that he ran a red light at Mississippi before broadsiding Guntharp's pickup truck.

Customers 'like family'

Both vehicles careened into the Baskin-Robbins, the pickup ripping out a utility box. It was the debris from that utility box that somehow snared Marten.

Vito Kudlis buried his face in his hands as he paced back and forth in front of the memorial to his son.

"I never thought something like this would happen," the father said. "Please come back. Please come back."

Even strangers stopped to place flowers and stuffed animals at the memorial.

"I have twins his age. It's so hard," said Jennifer Clayburn, 21, who lives nearby. "I just keep thinking . . . what if it was my kids. To think his family came here to have a good time and ice cream, and now they have nothing."

Jason Pierce, who owns the Baskin-Robbins franchise, said his customers are "like family."

"This hurts when something like this happens," Pierce said.

Friday, he was still "pretty much speechless."

"My heart goes out to the families that were tragically affected by this," Pierce said. "It's the last place you think it would happen."

Staff writers Bill Scanlon, Hector Gutierrez and Tillie Fong contributed to this report.

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September 4, 2008

10:50 p.m.

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September 4, 2008

11:15 p.m.

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doreenstokes writes:

Well, I know a different story because my son, who is the manager of Blockbuster at that intersection, called me all upset and told me that he heard the crash, he and another person pulled the child out of the CAR having difficulty getting the belt loosened. My son tore off the child's shirt, and placed it on the child's neck because of profuse bleeding. He told me that the child's heart was beating so fast, he asked the child to squeeze his hand and he did, as he held the child the heart beat slowed, the child looked at my son and his head fell to the side. The child at that state was either dead or unconscious due to the great loss of blood pouring out the neck. I'm sorry to be so graphic, but my son was at the scene, the child in his arms and dying. The mother was hysterical and had to be calmed by police. Now perhaps there was a child inside of Baskins Robbins, but my son knows of only one child. He saw two men running from the scene as others did and reported to police. My son called me with the child's blood still on his hands. He was shaking so much because he has a child close to that child's age and it hit him hard.

My heart goes out to the family and others who were injured and I hope they find those bas******* that ran from the scene.

So that is the story from a person actually at the scene holding the dead or dying child. He did his best to stop the bleeding, but God took him home. BTW the child did not struggle at all - my son said he just "went to sleep."
September 4, 2008

11:40 p.m.

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EZBakeOven writes:

doreen - I just want to cry after reading your post. That is a horrible thing to have to witness. Please thank your son for helping, which is more than can be said of the a-h0le who caused this tragedy.
September 4, 2008

11:48 p.m.

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LadyBird112 writes:

Doreen, I couldn't even go through your entire post, it was too upsetting. I remember walking past a hit-and-run outside my apartment once where two children had been killed, it was one of the most upsetting and sobering experiences of my life--those terms don't even begin to cut it. I know where you are coming from. I really hope that the driver is found (he will be) and brought to justice in the toughest way (execution). Bad enough to kill two adults in another car and flee, but to end the life of a child and then flee is just...disgusting, to say the very least.
September 5, 2008

12:09 a.m.

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doreenstokes writes:

To EXBake and LadyBird:
It wasn't my intention to upset anyone. I know what I wrote was graphic and apologized for it; but being a former nurse, I am proud of what my son did and people need to know what happened - the news report, in my opinion, was wrong. I shall tell my son that you said thank you. He, too, wishes he could have saved the child's life. He knew what to do to help with the bleeding from listening to me study when in nursing school years ago and from being a former fire-fighter in New Jersey. Yes, it is an awful thing that happened. I saw too much death in my job and when it comes to a child, it is devastating. For one to experience seeing two children killed by a hit and run is quite traumatic. I know you will never forget it, nor will my son. He called me after the rescue squad got there and took the child from my son. We were all hoping that a miracle would happen and the child would live, but God has different plans. Don't forget the other man that helped my son extricate the child, with difficulty, from the car. He deserves the same credit in trying to help. So many people look the other way. I am proud of my son and the other gentleman. I also know that the rescue squad personnel did their utmost in trying to save him.

I, too, believe in capital punishment. Now that two adults are gone besides a child and to run as a coward. Let us all pray that they will be caught and given the maximum, even if it is life without parole. Let them sit and think about what they did and couldn't own up to it. Thanks again for your support. My son will be happy to hear people are greatful to him for his efforts. God bless you and the families. That poor mother and father must be going out of their minds.

I am caring for my son's son who is 4 and autistic. I had Cody call his daddy because I felt my son needed to talk with him and it did help. He even told my son, I sorry for that poor boy that got hurt real bad. He doesn't understand death and at this point it is hard to tell an autistic child something like that and explain it. Thank you both!
September 5, 2008

12:56 a.m.

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doreenstokes writes:

Thank you RMN for not removing my posts. I thought you had and commented on it and now I do apologize. I realized that it wasn't your site after writing.

I understand, according to updated stories, that a person has been taken into custody for questioning. I just pray that the killer(s) are caught and have to pay for 3 lives.
September 5, 2008

3:25 a.m.

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Beaupedia writes:

@RememberThis, you are an absolute disgrace. "IF this turns out to be an illegal alien....shooting them down in the streets..." You are a disgusting individual that isn't much better than the guilty party that fled the scene, in my opinion. Get a grip on reality and shut your mouth before you further embarrass us all.
September 5, 2008

3:49 a.m.

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windbourne writes:

My sympathies to the family of this child. It will be very difficult for them to understand why a part of their life is gone forever.

RememberThis,
what do you do if it is not an illegal alien? Just start shooting in the street randomly before others can kill us? Oh wait, we do that already.
Instead of acting like a neo-con, why not focus on the real tragedy?
September 5, 2008

5:48 a.m.

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yeastyc writes:

Remember that its not just illegal aliens that drive like idiots (drunk or not), kill people, and run away--case in point the former football player that killed the guy on the scooter last week and the guy a couple of years ago who mowed down 3 of a family of 4 when they were crossing the street downtown. People need to start taking responsibility for their actions, illegal or not and start thinking of the consequences of their choices. It is wrong to put others in danger because you choose to be irresponsible. I'm so sorry for those who saw this and are living through the loss caused by this careless a-hole.
September 5, 2008

6:16 a.m.

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SheikYurBooty writes:

The driver, who was uninjured, was in a Suburban, proving once again the safety of driving a large vehicle. Well, safe for him anyway...
September 5, 2008

6:20 a.m.

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SheikYurBooty writes:

Beaupedia - and if it was a Focus on the Family member racing to a service, what should we do to the other FOF members?
September 5, 2008

6:40 a.m.

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HumanBeans writes:

"The driver of the Suburban fled the scene and police later apprehended Francis Hernandez, 23, of Denver. He is currently being held on suspicion of felony hit and run charges."

RMN why no description of the suspect......7news has it?
September 5, 2008

7:05 a.m.

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redfive writes:

This is why I wont' live in Aurora. Well, that and it's too far away from where I work. Plus all the shootings and stabbings.
September 5, 2008

7:18 a.m.

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September 5, 2008

7:41 a.m.

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PRAYFORTHEKIDS writes:

For all you Aurora bashers, I hope you enjoy your perfect neighborhood. Crime happens everywhere and that includes your perfect neighborhood. By the way we don't want your uppity a** here anyway so stay put. Aurora has some great people that live here.

God bless all that died and their families.
September 5, 2008

7:53 a.m.

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theairdog writes:

There is a Francis Hernandez (23) who was cited on 4/22/06 with Driving w/o Valid License, Driving Under Restraint (means license was taken away) and Driving w/o Insurance. He pleaded guilty to the first charge and the other two were dismissed.

I pulled this from the public info database at criminalsearches.com
September 5, 2008

7:55 a.m.

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NeilT writes:

Well, yes, Grunt. The GOP is responsible for this childs death. CAFE standards, and such, Grunt.

If the criminal was driving a smaller vehicle, that child would be alive. He might be worse off, but a smaller vehicle would not have launched that little truck close to 200 feet.

Signed,

An Excursion driver, because Suburban’s are for weenies.
September 5, 2008

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Heidi writes:

NeilT,

Criminals should not be allowed to drive big vehicles!
September 5, 2008

8:04 a.m.

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Stan_Weekes writes:

My heartfelt sympathies go out to all those impacted by this tragedy. These types of events are life altering for all who survive. And a special thanks to the folks who have to clean up these messes. Bless you!

It is very apparent, exhibited by the Denver Impoundment vote on Initiative 100, that 'The People' want unlicensed drivers off the road. It is time for the police to enforce the law, take the vehicles away from the scofflaws, and break the cycle of blatant--In Your Face--arrogance that many 'geographically challenged' young men have towards our culture of driving 'privileges'. It simply is a matter of public safety and good old common sense.

Numerous safety studies have shown the only way to alter the patterns of abuse behind the wheel is to take away the tool being used to harm others. Kick the tires, and impound. Stop it on the spot, before they drive away from the slap on the hand they receive in court.

We have a human right to expect that others on the road understand the rules, will stop at the red light, and insure their actions properly.

As tragic as this accident is, it will be repeated again and again if we don't take a stand and rid the roadways of those who have thumbed their noses at our system of lawful presence.

I encourage everyone to enact mandatory impoundment ordinances in each of their local cities. With policies allowing a two tiered justice practice, the city and county officers need the directive instructing them to just do the lawful enforcement. If you have an interest in carrying this to your city council, contact me through this website and I'll assist best I can.

Stan Weekes
State Director, http://www.cairco.org/
September 5, 2008

8:11 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

Stan,

Thanks for taking a stance. What happens in the event the vehicle is not registered under the offending driver?
September 5, 2008

8:13 a.m.

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NeilT writes:

LOL, Heidi!

But then we wouldn't burn as much oil! Where is the political incentive for such a crazy measure?
September 5, 2008

8:22 a.m.

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Smurfy writes:

These comments prove that there is still prejudice in America.
September 5, 2008

8:25 a.m.

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olsonmt writes:

Look at drunk driving rates by ethnicity... hispanics have this trick down pat. It's not racist. It's a FACT. Change starts from within.
September 5, 2008

8:26 a.m.

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vendari01 writes:

Doreen, I too, felt the pain when I read your entry, but I do not feel that you have anything to apologize for. I'm a retired GI, and can imagine nothing more painful than to have to hold another person in your arms, especially someone so young, and helplessly watch that person die. Please pass on my condolences to your son, and thank him for being there for that boy. My sympathies also go to those who were struck by this driver. As for the driver whose deeds brought this all to be, I hope that you suffer all the consequences the law can bring to bear. We are a nation of laws, and that is how this must play out. It is little enough justice for those who suffer, but I have seen the alternatives, and they must not come to be, in this nation.
September 5, 2008

8:27 a.m.

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NeilT writes:

Shut up you blue midget, you!
September 5, 2008

8:28 a.m.

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olsonmt writes:

In some instances prejudice is necessary for survival. The word itself is not a bad one. It depends on the context. For example, I am prejudice anyone in a orange jumpsuit standing next to the freeway near a correctional facility. I'm probably not going to stop and pick him up. That is prejudice and the only color I care about there is ORANGE.
September 5, 2008

8:35 a.m.

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doyoueatspam writes:

Umm, look at the second demographic variable:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/cri...
September 5, 2008

8:35 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

NeilT,

Criminals should not be allowed to burn oil.
September 5, 2008

8:40 a.m.

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mytwosense writes:

Utterly heartbreaking.
September 5, 2008

8:43 a.m.

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Ajakar writes:

Bail at $10,000 for killing three people? My bail was $10,000 for driving under revocation. Problems????
September 5, 2008

8:44 a.m.

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Willy writes:

Doreen - Thank your son for caring and trying to help. If his account is correct, and I believe it is, both stories I have read in the RMN this morning state facts which are much different from eye witnesses.
September 5, 2008

8:49 a.m.

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September 5, 2008

9:22 a.m.

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goldenbuff writes:

RozBronc - What a pathetic statement. I am sure your parents would be so proud of you and I hope your son is enjoying his "six figure income". LOL, like that has anything to do with this story. This is one Bronco fan we can do without.

To label hispanics with such a broad brush is both ignorant and racist. My heart goes out to all those affected by this tragedy.
September 5, 2008

9:23 a.m.

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mmannino writes:

The bail is unbelievable. He is mostly likely illegal. He will flee if he makes bail. He should be charged with murder. If he flees, those responsible for his bail should be fired and prosecuted for harboring a wanted criminal.

If illegal, he should have been deported in 2006. Anyone brought to the attention of law enforcement should be deported if in the country illegally. If ICE does not have enough resources to process these cases, more resources should be provided. If the local DA would not provide his case to ICE, the DA should be fired. Colorado needs tougher laws to deal with illegals and politicians who tolerate law breaking by illegals.
September 5, 2008

9:27 a.m.

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ursa_major_prime writes:

I just started a job 3 weeks ago - it turns out the man I share the office with is the best friend of the parents who lost their little boy. He's crushed of course, AND has to explain to his 4 year old daughter what happened to her friend. What a tagedy.
September 5, 2008

9:27 a.m.

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HollyGoLightly writes:

This is just too hard to read. My condolences go out to the family and friends of the victims. My thoughts are with the bystanders that tried to help the victims.
September 5, 2008

9:36 a.m.

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justinco writes:

This is a reason why I really dislike SUV's.
September 5, 2008

9:46 a.m.

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El_Mariachi writes:

Ohhhh...He/She has a Hispanic name...so they must be ILLEGAL!!!

RozBronc...You must be off your medication...Your ramblings are all over the map and have NOTHING to do with this story...If you want to rant about your personal problems...see a priest!
Maybe your son can use some of his 6-figure income to pay for the brain damage you incurred by the 6 Mexicans!!!
September 5, 2008

9:46 a.m.

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NeilT writes:

justinco,

Small vehicle driver and passenger-Dead

Large SUV driver-Fled the scene on foot.

I'll keep my kids that much safer when commuting, thank you very much.
September 5, 2008

9:52 a.m.

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Squatch writes:

Get a rope! He is a habitual offender and won’t change.

Thats right blame the SUV not the moron driving it justinco. Blame the F****** dumb people that have no respect for anybody else or themselves.
September 5, 2008

9:58 a.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

Ajackar writes:"Bail at $10,000 for killing three people? My bail was $10,000 for driving under revocation. Problems?"

And the guy from another article who raped a dog and made a boy watch only had a $1000 bond. This is why I get so upset when I hear "justice for all."

The only justice that can be done is to give him the death sentence, not 10 years down the road, but as soon as his trial is over.

I have a three year old child and if this would have happened to her, I would spend all my energy and time on trying to attain this guy, take him to the hills and do unspeakable things to him.
September 5, 2008

10 a.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

And for all the people playing the racist/illegal card: would your feelings about this story change if the victims were illegals too?
September 5, 2008

10:06 a.m.

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toocool writes:

Hernandez does not denote an illegal alien as would Skalinski or Muhammed....the 23 year old is in fact - a creep - a murderer - and should face, receive, the death penalty and have it carried out. This is not just a felony traffic violation and a $10,000 dollar bail goes to show you what your courts think about this behavior. Bless the families that suffered this self inflicted tragedy on the part the this cowerd, Francis Hernandez....
September 5, 2008

10:24 a.m.

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FlyfishDude52 writes:

I don't understand the $10K bond. Isn't this vehicular homicide? Three poor souls dead and the perpetrator and the guy can get out of jail with a $1000 payment to a bailbondsman. There is, truly, something wrong within the system.

My heartfelt symapthy to all those affected by this tragedy.
September 5, 2008

10:31 a.m.

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chronic writes:

10K bond?

OMG - he will never be seen or heard from again ...

what is wrong with our justice system that would allow this ?!
September 5, 2008

10:31 a.m.

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dcolon47 writes:

Ajakar writes:

Bail at $10,000 for killing three people? My bail was $10,000 for driving under revocation. Problems????

They might as well just set him free without having to post bail. I guess the price of life is getting cheaper, thanks to the bleeding hearts out there that feel sorry for the criminals instead of the victims.
September 5, 2008

10:31 a.m.

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jajknight writes:

What a horrifying story! The child's heart was beating so fast, blood spurting from his neck as he squeezed his little hand...his heart beat slowly fading...I can only imagine the pain of the mother witnessing this! I don't think this is god's plan, there is no way to rationlize this or find comfort by saying it is just part of a plan - if there is a god - he simply doesn't care.
September 5, 2008

10:37 a.m.

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windbourne writes:

>>was with you till you went off and made it a political thing.

Grunt,
I did not turn it political. RememberThis did.
September 5, 2008

11 a.m.

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gs writes:

What time of day was the accident? Just curious because the article doesn't say. I get a little worried driving at 4 am but 6 pm I'd expect to be perfectly safe. Of course I'd expect nothing to happen sitting in an ice cream store.
September 5, 2008

11:11 a.m.

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gs writes:

Doreen,
It may help your son to write about what he saw. maybe here maybe not. But writing it down helps me to cope.
September 5, 2008

11:15 a.m.

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dcolon47 writes:

The post says about 8pm
September 5, 2008

11:31 a.m.

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daRock writes:

The accident happened about 8 pm. The two women in the Mazda were not in the intersection of Mississippi and Havana, but were about 75 yards south, turning left into a Good Times, which is next to the B/R.

The accident happened in Aurora so seizing the SUV does not fall under the law recently passed in Denver.

I agree that $10k is way to low of a bond for this crime. And if he was driving w/o license or insurance it should be far higher as well. He will be out by paying a bondsman $1000.

My sincere sympathies go out to those that died, their families, friends and those who witnessed this horrific event.
September 5, 2008

11:58 a.m.

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snuffalupagus writes:

I would put Mr. Hernandez in a small truck and ram him from the side w/ a large Suburban at 50mph+ and see how he fares...
September 5, 2008

12:03 p.m.

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kali73 writes:

I agree, kill him.
September 5, 2008

12:16 p.m.

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blacksho89 writes:

RememberThis :
Don't let the door hit ya....
September 5, 2008

12:21 p.m.

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ou8one2 writes:

"SheikYurBooty writes:

Beaupedia - and if it was a Focus on the Family member racing to a service, what should we do to the other FOF members?"

What if is was a member of the Kennedy family? What should we do to......... Oh, never mind.
September 5, 2008

12:33 p.m.

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BigSky182 writes:

For the record, my Wife has driven an SUV and I have driven full-sized half ton trucks for 15 years and neither of us has ever killed anyone with them.

Blaming the SUV is completely ridiculous.
September 5, 2008

12:44 p.m.

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DenGirl writes:

My sentiments to everyone involved; the child's mother, the families and friends of the deceased, the BR owner, the employees, and all witnesses to this tragic accident. How quickly things can change.

$10,000 bond!?!? So, Hernandez could be out driving again today? That's at least 3 counts of man-slaughter, hit and run, unlicensed driver, reckless driving, running a light, and potential alcohol/ drug charges. And they feel this man is not a flight risk? He so obviously has NO regard for the law.
September 5, 2008

12:48 p.m.

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leatherneck writes:

This is a very tragic story, my heart goes out to the family close to the victims. I completely agree with all of you. A bondsman could get him out with $1000 bucs. He should not be able to get out, I hope they realize that he is an extreme flight risk. I think it should be about 500,000 bond
September 5, 2008

1:01 p.m.

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Cowboy63 writes:

"Hernandez has a lengthy criminal history, including charges of assault and traffic offenses. He also recently had his license revoked, according to court documents."

23-years old and already a useless POS that society will have to babysit for the rest of his life. Unless he gets out and kills more innocent bystanders.
September 5, 2008

1:25 p.m.

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catlady writes:

Sea_Bass,

Aurora has a lower crime rate that Colorado Springs in terms of murders and all violent crimes. I live in Aurora and I love it. We have 2 police officers for every 1000 residents and it really does keep the place very safe.

I am pretty tired of people picking on my town. People who pick on Aurora clearly have not spent much time there. Westminster, Lakewood and Denver are scarier.

The driver/murder is from DENVER not Aurora. Unfortunately, he just happened to be driving on one of our fine Aurora roads. I suppose the solution would be to keep the low-life Denverites off Aurora's roads and out of our fine town since most of the scum in the metro area calls Denver (not Aurora) home.
September 5, 2008

1:41 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

intrepid
forgive yes. let live, no. theres no punishment that will take away the pain he caused, so screw the punishment and move to execution.
September 5, 2008

1:47 p.m.

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Elwood writes:

I just got paid today and have an extra $1000. If anyone has an old toyota or honda and another with an SUV, we can bail this a-hole out and go have some fun.
September 5, 2008

1:49 p.m.

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TheDenverB writes:

"thanks to the bleeding hearts out there that feel sorry for the criminals instead of the victims."

you really think people feel sorry for this guy?

please...
September 5, 2008

1:53 p.m.

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Sixtysixdeuce writes:

"Unfortunately, because of the culture we live in, when any horrific crime or accident happens some people immediately conclude that it was done by a "minority""

The B!tch about sterotypes is that they are forged from truth.

"At the end of the day, we must all learn how to forgive the man who did this"

You can forgive him. The rest of us will watch happily as he burns in hell for his acts.
September 5, 2008

2:06 p.m.

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redwhiteandBLUE writes:

Airdog @7:53 am.
Thanks for the info! Cool!
September 5, 2008

2:19 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

intrepid
you are right an eye for an eye is not what I am saying. I don't want to pay for this guy for the rest of his life while he rots in jail. So what else can we do?...is it considered murder if we drop him in the middle of the pacific ocean? he has a chance, though it is slim.

Elwood
right on!
September 5, 2008

2:35 p.m.

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Cowboy63 writes:

intrepid -

A great poet, Heinrich Heine once wrote:

"You should forgive your enemies! Right after you hang them."
September 5, 2008

2:37 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

Cowboy
Stop, before we start agreeing with each other. :)
September 5, 2008

3:04 p.m.

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leatherneck writes:

KOA just reported he is being held without bond....
Nice going RMN
September 5, 2008

3:13 p.m.

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taxiblues writes:

I can't stop crying. I knew this family and little boy very well. He was so cute and sweet. 2 weeks ago we celebrated his 3 year old birthday. Now he is gone. Parents are loosing their minds.

Why?

These driving bastards will never feel their pain...it's unbearable.
September 5, 2008

3:18 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

intrepid
I hate to sound so harsh, and the Gandhi quote I can agree with for the most part. However, putting him in prison and passing the buck off to the taxpayer isn't the answer either. When I have to pay for people like this it takes away from my family and I. I am struggeling to pay for health insurance for my children, paying high gas prices and just trying to stay off of welfare. Do you think that justice has been served for him to be taken care of on honest and good people's hard work?
September 5, 2008

3:27 p.m.

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Elwood writes:

These B-tards will never face justice, at least not in our "justice" system (because it is a "legal" system). There has got to be a way to punish them in such a way to achieve justice for the victims.
September 5, 2008

3:43 p.m.

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4gColoNative writes:

How many of us see reckless driving all the time ... that fortunately doesn't immediately end in a tragedy like this? It gives rise to justifiable road rage. Because we know (suspect) that the very same drivers we see could at any time cause this sort of incident. I've seen near-misses where I've wanted to haul someone out of their vehicle and administer some spot justice.
September 5, 2008

3:50 p.m.

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olsonmt writes:

Habitual offender. Ten strikes and you're out. And out doesn't mean I, and my fellow citizens, pay your room and board until you die.
September 5, 2008

3:54 p.m.

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freedomfighter1 writes:

Olsonmt
Your too liberal (I'm liberal too), but I'm more along the lines of 3 strikes....
September 5, 2008

4:09 p.m.

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Blondo writes:

Taxi: The community's thoughts and prayers are with this family. There is no way to understand this.
September 5, 2008

4:33 p.m.

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TheDenverB writes:

so, was the boy and his family here in this country illegally from whatever eastern European country they were from?

or, is it only appropriate to ask that about people with Hispanic surnames who do bad things?
September 5, 2008

4:48 p.m.

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Devil_Dog writes:

Intrepid

Do you have any children?

I have a three year old little girl who means more to me than anything in this world. I would not choose to forgive what this man has done. I'm not going to give you any quotes from another human or from any religious writing, I believe in God but I can think for myself. This man is not deserving of forgiveness from the father of that innocent child but that is my opinion it is up to the father to forgive or not to forgive as he chooses.

As for justice, unfortunately it costs more to prosecute the death penalty than to imprison for life so I say life in prison. No Parole!
September 5, 2008

5:23 p.m.

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TDW writes:

I just want to say my heart goes out to the families of the two women that lost their lives, and to the little boy who was taken from this earth way too soon. Very tragic, yet a very stupid and senseless act by this person. My prayers go out to all of the families involved.
September 5, 2008

5:46 p.m.

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HollyGoLightly writes:

A $10,000 bond for killing three people, trying to flee the scene, and prior driving issues?? This is ridiculous!
September 5, 2008

6:38 p.m.

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EZBakeOven writes:

I heard the bond was increased to $100,000.
September 5, 2008

6:44 p.m.

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rs0420 writes:

I think Doreen has her facts mixed up a little as well as the RMN. I just heard a quote from a police officer that stated that there was only one person in the SUV. This came from seven eye witnesses. Her son may have seen someone in a panic that was just a bystander or maybe it was someone chasing the murderer. Also how could the child be in the car when he was in Baskin Robbins? That makes no sense whatsoever. I'm sure the news article is not that far off.

Intrepid, shut the hell up about forgiveness and take that religious bs elsewhere. It has no bearing in this situation. Go back to your church and preach there.
September 5, 2008

6:57 p.m.

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JackieMC writes:

Denver B: You're truly disgusting and cold-hearted. This family lost a beloved child.
September 5, 2008

6:59 p.m.

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Thewiseman writes:

You are heartless! This is sad! Where does the slime come from? Wash it from the face of the Earth! I'm sad at all this!
September 5, 2008

7:03 p.m.

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Chadley25 writes:

Unbelievably sad. With the tragic death of the child, I hope people don't overlook the fact that two other people were killed as well. There can be NO sense made of a tragedy like this, no "comfort from god," nothing -- it's just sad, sad, sad and I can only guess at the pain the families of the victim's must be enduring. Just breaks my heart.

I do hope that, despite conflicting reports, the suspect's bond is more than $10,000. I'm no legal expert, but even just a peripheral glance at the facts concerning this case, to me, scream, "Hold without bond."
September 5, 2008

7:18 p.m.

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rodstarcr writes:

We would like to know where the justice is! a person can get pulled over by the aurora police with a joint in the ash tray, and the bond will be $200,000, so why does a dirtbag like this get only $10,000, what a joke!! Maybe $500,000 bond to keep him around to answer for the give a sh-- attitude he seems to have!!
home they find some way to never see him on the streets again!!
September 5, 2008

7:21 p.m.

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natasha writes:

Intrepid isn't religious, it's a flaming liberal.. As far as racists, Mexican/hispanic isn't a freaking race! Get over it! The guy was/is a "hispanic" driving w/o a license or insurance. It's a problem. When it personally affects you, you'll understand.
September 5, 2008

8:17 p.m.

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Videobarbs writes:

Thanks to Mrs. Stokes for her son's account of the horrific-ness of the accident. Rarely to the news reporters get that graphic, but having been in a couple of bad accidents (but nothing on this scale, thank God) I feel for her son having the little innocent boy die in his arms. It will take him a long time, if ever, to get over that event.
More and more accidents in Colorado seem to be centered around unlicensed, uninsured, alcohol related drivers and either the vehicle is stolen or has been "borrowed" from someone else. Disgusting!
I think there ought to be more of the gory details, not for voyeuristic reasons, but to bring home how one or two seconds of utter selfish stupidity can change lives forever. I disagree strongly with people who say that "everything happens for a reason". This tragedy demonstates once again, the randomness of life. Hug and tell those close to you that you love them - it may be the last time you see them.
September 5, 2008

9:43 p.m.

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olsonmt writes:

Intrepid, sometimes you have to know when to cut bait. This guy has had his chances to be forgiven and to mend his ways. Clearly, he didn't learn. He sure as heck doesn't deserve forgiveness from these families.
September 5, 2008

11:18 p.m.

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Cry4Freedom1 writes:

Good Evening,

I want to start by saying that my condolinces go out to all the familys affected by this tragady cause apperently there is most of the attention towards the little boy and not allot of the attention paid to the 2 woman in the other vehicle whom also lost there lifes. To the community of Aurora. People like to say one area is worse then another but Crime does not know any boundries. To the Owner of the Baskin Robbins location who has and will lose business for a while till he is able to reopen I am also sorry.

To the people whom immediatly state that this is a crime that is commited by a illegal. Maybe you should make that a correction and remember that We allow these people in to this country cause we as a nation are to obsessed with the Television to Stand up and fight for what we beleive in. Maybe if we gave a rats A@@ then these people would stay in the countries that they are from. We are quick to judge and remember we will all face the maker and be judged in the end.

To the lady who's son helped try to save the little boy. I want to commend him for his efferts though futile they were in the right place. I am sure that many people whom might have been at the intersection and drove off. maybe if we gave a darn about other people and quit worring about our selves first then maybe things could have been diffrent.

May this be a wake up call to all Americans. The only way things are gonna change is if we all Stand up and make them change. We sit here at our computers and say what a tragady but do we intend to do anything to change the tide. Do we intend to lobby our lawmakers to listen to us and enact STRONGER laws to advert this situation again?. this person is sitting in jail on $15,000 Bond and three people are dead cause of his actions! This is a Outcry. I think there should be a bond of 1 Million for each life taken. then if this person is convicted then maybe we need to put him in harms way. like a public intersection of Mississippi and Havana and let a Semi deal with his fate. maybe if we did justice more like this we would advert thise situations.

WE HAVE THE POWER. USE IT.

I am a American Citizen whom fies the Flag each and every day with Pride. God is the only higher power I know and it is with this in mind that I can say One Nation Under God. Untill we Unite we cant change anything. If anyone had a issue with this then that is ok with me. We cant change situations like this untill we are willing to change ourselves. These things dont change unless our elected officials know what we want is change. So don't Whine and Complaine. Take charge and take acrtion

and if the spelling is bad sorry its late and I wirled 12 hours and I am tired
September 5, 2008

11:21 p.m.

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doreenstokes writes:

Okay, I'll straighten things out now that I have more facts and my son is a little calmer. My son was outside BB having a cigarette when he heard the crash and ran to see if he could assist. The reporter was correct in stating the child was in the store and I apologized to a reporter via e-mail.
When my son got to the scene the child had been thrown in the car due to the impact of the accident. My son did not know, at the time of his arrival, that the child was in the store and was thrown into the car right before he got on the scene. The rest of what I wrote is truth. When the rescue squad got there, my son was holding the child. As the stretcher got to my son,the child's head dropped and my son stated (to me) he felt no life. He then just left the scene and went back to his store. He has a 4 yo son too. He felt empty and helpless. I assured him he did all he could do. I won't go into details about the wound because other people have difficulty with graphics and that's okay. Having been a nurse, it's hard for me not to talk in what other people may consider "gory." The child died peacefully in the arms of a caring human being, no struggle, just "went to sleep." That is all.

People, I too am astounded at the amount of bail. In my opinion, he should be held without bail, not allowed to leave at all - ever! Look at his record, that alone proves it. Well, God bless that family and the family of the two women. I also thank all those who helped in getting the child out of the car besides my son. It was a team effort. Some people would have just walked or looked away.

Thank you to those who have thanked my son for his efforts. I am proud of him and my heart breaks for him because he IS suffering too.
September 6, 2008

1:21 a.m.

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mrscandalous writes:

I AM SPEECHLESS ONE KIDS LIFE WAS CUT WAY TO SHORT AND TO THE TWO LADIES ALSO MY THOUGHTS AND MY PRAYERS ARE WITH THE FAMILIES THEIR ARE NO WORDS TO SAY TO MAKE THEM FEEL BETTER BUT TO THE DRIVER THAT CAUSED ALL THIS PAIN I HOPE JUSTICE DOES THE RIGHT THING AND SENDS YOU TO PRISON FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE YOU RUINED THREE FAMILIES LIVES AND YOU DESERVE THE WORST THAT THEY CAN GIVE YOU
September 6, 2008

4:35 a.m.

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gwats writes:

A fitting tribute to these lost souls would be to enforce the laws we already have about unlicensed, uninsured drivers off our streets.
September 6, 2008

9:08 a.m.

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Rainbow522 writes:

It is simply pathetic that wishing for the laws of our country to be enforced now makes one a racist.
Sobeit.
September 6, 2008

9:46 a.m.

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snow writes:

They won't state his status because it would prove sanctuary cities are a disgrace, 2 weeks ago he was caught driving while having a suspended lic. and tried to run from police and even attacked an officer, why wasn't this guy in jail? His legal status wasn't checked because of this idiotic sanctuary status, many horrific crimes are happening across this country by illegals who's status isn't checked until someone is maimed or killed, then it is found the perp. had a long criminal record and should have been tossed from the country long ago. Our elected officials are failing us with these liberal polices .
September 6, 2008

10:42 a.m.

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fcs25 writes:

A trial is to good for this immigrant he should be killed.
September 6, 2008

1:08 p.m.

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jtriska writes:

Dear Intrepid,
Are you serious? Or are you just bored and wanting some attention? Because it is your kind of attitude that left this man on the street to do this kind of damage. So, I guess I'm blaming this on you and others that share your passive mentality. If your heart is too weak to carry out the kind of justice that this type of crime deserves than leave it up to people such as myself who would gladly take care of business and you can stay out of it. If you want your perfect world where people don't "fall through the cracks" than you need to eliminate the criminal element. When there are only peacemakers only then will there be peace. It might take a piece to get rid of this piece, but done enough times there can be peace.
Instruments of torture? What in the hell are you talking about? The last executions that I've heard about were done by lethal injection. No worse than going to sleep for a surgical procedure. Far too nice for my taste and alot less torture than the victims of this crime will endure for the rest of their lives.
I would gladly take a personal day to make this creep dig his own hole just before I filled it up with his waste of human skin. Then, go home, kiss my wife and son, have a nice dinner, go to bed and sleep like a baby. The perfect end to the perfect day.
May God strengthen the survivors and embrace the deceased.
September 6, 2008

3:41 p.m.

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incredulous writes:

There are those who want a law giving police the right to impound the vehicles of the unlicensed and even the uninsured. There are also those who oppose such a law, claiming that it would target illegal aliens and minorities, thereby making it discriminatory. I personally believe that such a law would go a long way to protect the public and this tragedy is certainly proof of that.

Francis Hernandez was stopped by police two weeks ago. He did not have a license, he did not have proof of insurance, he gave a fake name and date of birth to the police, and he finally resisted arrest. If his vehicle (the same one used in this accident) had been impounded at that time, three innocent people might be alive today. The status of Mr. Hernandez's residency or his ethnicity does not make his victims any less dead or any more alive.

For all those who still believe that impounding the vehicles of unlicensed drivers is somehow racial discrimination, perhaps you would like to explain your reasoning to the three families grieving today, starting with the parents of 3-year-old Marten Kudlis.
September 6, 2008

4:44 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

So very sad for these people to have lost thier only child in such a tragic manner; I can only pray. It was once told to me, God holds the innocent child close to Him. 3 people killed is terrible; hopefully this new law in Denver will be adopted statewide, and by sheer chance, or erratic driving behavior as witnessed here, will stop something like this in the future. Soon if an officer stops someone like him in Denver , the vehicle will be immediately impounded on the spot, and taken off the road for lack of a driver's license. Just maybe the city council and Denver's mayor will realize now the valuable tool this new law will be. You can't drive unlicensed and uninsured when the vehicle is in the impound, and many will think twice about loaning thier vehicle to such people knowing it will be subject to impound. With his lenthy rap sheet, maybe the habitual criminal act will be filed, and the man removed for a long, long time at least. Such a senseless tragedy for these families to have suffered.
September 6, 2008

5:22 p.m.

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GabeMc writes:

99 times out of 100 lately, so it seems, the perp is from Mexico.

Makes you wonder if there would be ANY crime in the area if not for it's uninvited guests.
September 6, 2008

6:51 p.m.

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happymike44 writes:

Close our borders and secure our safety from these p.o.s. people.
Execute him and then close our border so they can not turn our country into a third world toilet.
Where dope dealers murder their cops in broad daylight with no punishment.
We need to defend our border with extreme prejudice and rub out these cockroaches.
September 6, 2008

9:58 p.m.

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jtriska writes:

To Intrepid: As with most people that favor a "compassionate" response to recidivist criminals, you cannot see the forest for the trees, grasshopper. It has nothing to do with machismo or stupidity. It is a pragmatic, common sense perspective. I never stated my religion, and the fact that you would automatically label anyone who wishes the dead and grieving peace and deliverance Christian shows your abundant lack of insight and intelligence. Society suffers because we fail to do all that is necessary to eliminate predatory, diseased and antisocial individuals from society when they are clearly identified. If we had the will to do so, we would not suffer these tragedies in the numbers that we face. We cannot be honest about the measures that need to be taken because we have been taught by our system that everyone is capable of change and redemption. This is no Hollywood movie. I have seen enough to understand with no qualification that there are a significant number of individuals who have no feeling of guilt, remorse, or mercy. There are people who are capable and comfortable to lock a little child in a closet with no food or water until their little hearts stop from malnutrition. There are mothers who kill their little toddlers, keep them in a car until they smell too bad and dispose of them like trash, then go dancing. Where is the compassion and attention to the suffering of the victims? They are the deserving, not the human flotsam that you choose to embrace. By the way, it is not up to you or me or the State of Colorado penal system to forgive this piece of crap, that is up to a higher judge. I am no expert, but I am pretty sure you have to be sorry to be forgiven, and when you do something again and again, it is difficult to fathom how you could be.
September 6, 2008

10:06 p.m.

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daRock writes:

Backspace, I am so glad you backed down on your harsh post to the mother of the young man who works at Blockbuster and did his best. I have been in his shoes and the shock that occurs is overwhelming. I certainly can understand why he would want to call a relative to help calm him down before even thinking about cleaning up or anything else for that matter.

It is all so surreal especially in the moments immediately following.

Doreen, my prayers also include your son. Please encourage him to get some counceling. This will haunt him for a long time.
It would be best for him to not face it alone.
September 6, 2008

10:08 p.m.

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Cowboy63 writes:

intrepid writes: "Shouldn't you understand the power of forgiveness?"

Like I said:

"You should forgive your enemies; right after you hang them."

This guy made his CHOICES. Three other people (including a 3-year old) never got the chance. Sorry, zero sympathy for this dude.
September 6, 2008

10:40 p.m.

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Sixtysixdeuce writes:

I really wish you people didn't force folks like me to get ugly with cold, hard numbers, but when you insist that race has nothing to do with it, we're left with no choice.

"I didn't say to forgive him/them. What I said is that sometimes people jump to conclusions. In reference to your statement about "forged from truth", I would remind you that the kids behind Columbine were "white"."

Never did I say that caucasians were incapable of commiting terrible crimes; My parents were murdered by a 17 year old white kid. Doesn't change the fact that every source of information on the subject show that hispanics, who account for only 13 percent of the US population, are 25 percent of the prison population nationwide. Care to guess what the white percentage is?

Arrest rates for violent crime (convictions not accounted for) are virtually identical from every available source. Hispanics are responsible for (depending on the source; what crimes they include and how they determine race) 2-1/2 to 3 times as much violent crime as whites , and are 1/5 as numerous in this country. Put the numbers together; 1/5 as many, 2.5-3 times the offenses. That simple math shows us that hispanics are 12.5-15 times more likely to commit a violent crime than whites.

If all people were equally prone to criminal activity, regardless of race, whites would account for three quarters of the violent crime in this country. The reality is far, far different. I won't speculate about reasons. I just accept the facts. And it does create prejudice. That's life.
September 7, 2008

1:21 a.m.

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18Zwife writes:

Hernandez has at least 16 prior arrests and ICE now has a hold on him? Well, as long as his Illegal Alien Rights were not violated while in the commission of this vehicular homicide, then we all can sleep peacefully tonight. Of course, the families of the three murdered can’t sleep (thanks to Hernandez, sanctuary policies, and some inept police), but who cares about those families, as long as Hernandez’ Illegal Alien Rights haven’t been violated.
September 7, 2008

1:27 a.m.

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Sixtysixdeuce writes:

Intrepid-

I have to ask, are you on the same planet as the rest of us here?!?

Your post was directed at other people, but I think I can speak for many here. I also feel that you need to defend your position with a little more substance after saying that my being happy to see him pay for his sin is tantamount to murder (I can't even fathom the logic, or lack therof, you have used to deduce that)

"He didn't choose to kill three innocent people!"

Hence his being charged with vehicular homicide times three, instead of three counts of murder one.

"It was an accident!"

One that resulted from criminal behavior. He is 100% culpable.

"Its like saying that the little boy chose to get in harms way! And thats absurd!!"

What??? Not even close. The little boy and the other two women were going about their lives, responsibly and LAWFULLY. Hernandez was acting recklessly and illegally. His actions were MOST LIKELY to result in harm to others.

"Now, did he, Hernandez, make bad choices prior to this? Of course he did!"

A mile-long rap sheet. Yeah, he made some bad decisions. Shouldn't have been free to make any more. Failure on the part of our "justice" system there.

"Was it bad judgement on his part to drive that night?"

You try to make it sound innocent. Bad judgement is a 16 year old kid driving a bit too fast in the rain. What hernandez did wasn't bad judgement, it was criminal behavior. There's a bit of a distinction there.

"But he didn't choose to take three innocent lives!"

He chose to behave in a manner that endangered others. Makes no difference what his intentions were.

"Yet, he is responsible for his own actions. I understand that!"

Do you? Because you're going to great lengths to defend this piece of human garbage.

"What makes you think that he is not sorry for what he did?"

Because he's a habitual offender.

"Because from what I gather, it seems that he is."

And how are you privy to this, while the rest of us cannot see it?
September 7, 2008

1:35 a.m.

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Sixtysixdeuce writes:

Yeah, he's just a misguided young man...................

"He was charged with driving with a suspended license, resisting and interfering with police, giving false information, failure to properly display temporary plates and being a fugitive.

His prior arrests include: Assault, larceny, criminal impersonation, repeatedly driving without a license, forgery, using false identification, moving violations, giving false information to police and being a fugitive from justice, according to court records."

He deserves no compassion from anyone. ANYONE!

I say again, may he BURN IN HELL while we watch gleefully.
September 7, 2008

7:43 a.m.

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SanctuaryCity writes:

I hold salazar and the government responsible again for failure to enforce the immigration laws. The RMN reports AGAIN, questionable citizen.
September 7, 2008

8:01 a.m.

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ruger9 writes:

Stokes, your post is totally false. The child was inside the Baskin Robbbins. No child was inside a vehicle during this horrific accident. The child that died was not pulled from a car by your son. The fact that you would use this tragedy for your own selfish attempt at your 15 minutes of fame=shame is disgusting even in this format. You and your mystical, fantasy son should seek professional help.
September 7, 2008

8:17 a.m.

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smidgen writes:

$100,000 bail...yea right.He killed 3 people.ran from the scean,distroyed evidence..Yea right he will show up for court,
When pigs fly...
September 7, 2008

9:14 a.m.

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ruger9 writes:

Remember, It's the Judges who put him back on the streets.

It's the Judges who in many cases do not even sentence the defendant to the "Minimum Mandatory Sentence" upon conviction.

It's the Judges who knowingingly allow illegal immigrants to walk out of their courtrooms on a daily basis with a payment schedule for their fine and no jail time.

It's the Judges who put convicted child molesters back on the streets so they can victimize another child.

It's the Judges who sit at their bench reading a "Golf" magazine during a trial because they would really rather be someplace else than earning their $145,000 plus salary.

It's the Judges who are too aloof to care about the little people (you and Me) in society.

It's the Judges who recognize the defense counsel as a friend or future partner in private practice who allow that attorney's client to walk.

It's the Judges who have better things to do than listen to the family of a victim tell their stories.

The laws and sentencing guidelines are already on the books. We just need Judges with the guts to utilize them.
September 7, 2008

9:25 a.m.

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jtriska writes:

Intreped: You must think that I'm just sitting here full of hate and rage and dying to fulfill some sort vigilante blood lust. You couldn't be more wrong. If you are such a Christian, as you claim to be, than surely you must understand that death is not as final as you fear it to be. I would just be honored, if the law allowed me the chance, to send Hernandez to his court date with a higher and just penal system. He will not face justice on this earth and must be sent where justice will be served. In Hell, where he will be mowed down on a daily basis by an uncaring, unsympathetic miscreant. It is not a vigilante fantasy, it is a justice fantasy. This man has never faced justice in his life and now three people are dead because of it. He's crossed that line and justice must be served this time.This may come as a shock to you but I would expect nothing less for myself or any one of my family members if they acted in such a careless manner. His chances have run out and consequences for his actions must now be paid in full. Hernandez himself even admits his actions were lawless and that is why he fled the scene like a coward. That is what sets us apart from this maggot. A truly penitent individual would have stayed and faced the reality of the situation that he created.
You are a long way from Pennsylvania Dutch country. Why don't you do the rest of us a favor and move down there and have yourself a little barn raising/forgiveness party? You are obviously too sensitive a soul to live amongst us who believe in a more rigorous application of justice.
September 7, 2008

9:44 a.m.

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badbob writes:

Per other articles, Denver police had him stopped a month or so ago driving a similar suv and he didn't have a license or proof of insurance,smelled of alchohol and he actually attacked one of the officers. What did they do at that point just let him go? Articles also say that he didn't own the suv in this accident and it wasn't stolen, who owns the suv that he has been driving for months?
September 7, 2008

9:59 a.m.

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jtriska writes:

Upon further reflection, Intreped, I would love it if we could do a little experiment to prove who's ideal society would be more palatable. First, we'll fence off a couple of neighborhoods. We can fill your neighborhood with all the criminals that you want to forgive and embrace. Then we put you and your family smack dab in the middle of said neighborhood. For my neighborhood, I will fill it with the graves of criminals. Then, lets sit back and see who's family gets victimized first and whos neighborhood that people would want to raise their families in. Are you getting this yet?
We could take it a step further and let me stay in your hood for awhile and pick off a few of your criminal friends and see who's house they avoid the most.
September 7, 2008

11:09 a.m.

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Sixtysixdeuce writes:

"Based on my simulations, using Simcity Societies, I have concluded that, over a long period of time (10 sim years), my town ( SCS is not capable of simulating an individual neighborhood) is more thriving and sustainable, than your Deadville. You know, graveyards actually lower property values considerably. And you know what I named my town? Redemption. My citizens love me!"

Wow. Basing your theory on a computer game. Could you possibly be more disconnected from reality?

You better unplug and wake up, lest you or a member of your family become the victims of a crime perpetrated by this dispicable group you champion for.
September 7, 2008

12:10 p.m.

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Uno writes:

First, my deepest sympathies to all the families and friends of the victims who suffered this terrible loss...

That things like that happens is not surprising and not all that rare. Animals like Hernandez is supported by a system more concerned with political correctness than with the well being of law abiding citizens. Unless the people who creates or supports this system is held accountable and thrown out of office, nothing is going to change. Hispanics as a group is protected species, especially illegals. That means they can break whatever law they chose to, have priors a mile long, and still get away with it. This is what the people of Denver and the people of Colorado wanted. Voters hold the power over who gets into office. So, quit complaining, you got what you asked for.
September 7, 2008

3:01 p.m.

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hugheskw writes:

As a parent and as a grandparent my heart goes out to the family of the two year old child that was killed. But as a long time friend of the driver of the truck that was struck and killed, she leaves behind a loving husband, three grown men that I have watched grow from child hood and two grand children. I know that both women will be missed and I wait eagerly for their killer to get the justice that I know is coming in the end. I know that our legal system will not provide the justice that the families would like but I know in my heart that he will pay in the end.
September 7, 2008

4:54 p.m.

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Billy writes:

Doreen could simply have not written anything about this. These people are still very much in shock and grief stricken. What possessed her to write this in here? Even if her story is true, and her son did help out, which is kind of funny because a police officer wouldn't allow any "joe public" near an accident scene like that, she sounds like she wants her son to get credit. Not the way it should have been handled.
September 8, 2008

1:18 a.m.

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Beaupedia writes:

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SheikYurBooty writes:

Beaupedia - and if it was a Focus on the Family member racing to a service, what should we do to the other FOF members?
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@SheikYurBooty, you should really take the time to reread what I wrote. I was going after a user named "RememberThis" who made racist and ridiculous statements, which I quoted. I agree with you. Thankfully the Rocky removed their ignorant rant, but it has left mine looking a bit confusing.

Hope that clears it up!
September 8, 2008

6:40 a.m.

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KAYKAT73 writes:

THE MURDERER OF THESE THREE HUMAN BEINGS WAS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN. THE CITIES OF AURORA AND DENVER ARE ACCESSORIES IN THESE HORRIFIC CRIME. THEIR SANCTUARY POLICY KILLED THESE THREE INNOCENT PEOPLE.
September 8, 2008

8:38 a.m.

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September 8, 2008

9:02 a.m.

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T1anda writes:

Even though I will be voting for McCain I say... John McCain and Barack Obama should have to pay millions in compensation to the three familys who lost a loved one in this PREVENTABLE tragedy!!

Both candidates are for allowing these criminals to stay in America and continue their senseless assults on American citizens!!

BTW thanks so much to Bill(Tax)Ritter, and Mr.Poopenlicker for your sanctuary policies!!!
September 8, 2008

11:12 a.m.

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goodsamaritancouple writes:

WITH RESPECT TO DOREENSTOKES, MY WIFE AND I ARE THE GOOD SAMARITAN COUPLE THE NEWS TALKS ABOUT.MY WIFE AN 9 YEAR OLD SON WERE NEXT TO MARTEN IN BASKIN ROBBINS WHEN THIS HAPPENED.TO ASSUME YOU KNOW ALL THE FACTS IN THIS MATTER IS IRRESPONSIBLE.FIRST OFF THE BOY WAS NEVER IN A CAR,THER WAS NEVER ANY SEATBELT INVOLVED. MY WIFE AND I ALONG WITH MARTENS MOTHER LIFTED AN ELECTRICAL SERVICE BOX OFF THE BOY. HIS SHIRT WAS NEVER RIPPED OFF. MY WIFE TORE HIS PANTS OFF TO STOP THE BLEEDING AND WITH THE HELP OF MARTENS MOTHER ATTEMPTED CPR .WHILE YOUR SON WAS A GREAT HELP IN THIS MATTER THE FACTS ARE SLIGHTLY WRONG. THERE WAS OTHER KIDS IN THE STORE INCLUDING MY SON. THE TRADGEDY IS THAT THE LEGAL SYSTEM THATS SUPPOSED TO PROTECT US KILLED THIS LITTLE BOY. THEY ALLOWED THE DEMON ''FRANCIS HERNANDEZ'' TO WALK FREE TO DO THIS.THERE ARE NO HEROES IN THIS . THAT IS WHY MY WIFE AND I REFUSED TO TALK TO THE MEDIA.THE REAL HEROE THE REAL ''GOOD SAMARITAN'' IS GOING TO BE THE ONE WHO FINDS THE DEMON''FRANCIS HERNANDEZ'' AND SEPERATES HIS HEAD FROM HIS NECK,DELIVERING HIM TO THE HELL THAT IS ALL TO GOOD OF A PLACE FOR SOMEONE LIKE HIM

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Family grapples with 3-year-old's death

April M. Washingtonand Judi Villa, Rocky Mountain News

Published September 5, 2008 at 12:41 a.m.

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