'Hockey mom' jumps into role as McCain's 'enforcer'

By M.E. Sprengelmeyer, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published September 4, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.
Updated September 4, 2008 at 12:50 p.m.

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Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin holds baby Trig onstage with husband Todd after her convention address. The self-styled hockey mom came out swinging.

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September 4, 2008

2:45 a.m.

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clyde writes:

M.E. Sprengelmeyer, this article, if I may be so generous, should simply end with "I am Barack Obama, and I approved this Lie". Faint praise, with a side dish of hate and loathing.
September 4, 2008

2:56 a.m.

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mobbs1107 writes:

NOBAMA '08. She swayed my vote! Tough cookie...and truthful ! Some people use "Change" to further their career! Some people, like John McCan, use their career to further change! Wow! No competing with that statement!
September 4, 2008

4:20 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

The girl was fantastic, but don't expect the Sprengelmeyer, Littwin, Griego, or anyone under John Temple to say so. No, this liberal rag hasn't the class to be objective and put the girl's first introduction to America in a positive light. The media annointed the inexperenced Mr. Obama, and that's whose accolades they sing. I loved how Gulliani summed up Mr. Obama's career, "Only in America". This election was the democrats to lose with Mr. Bush's unpopularity, and they with the help of the media, annointed a losing ticket. The media rushed to annoint Mr. Obama over the best candidate to unseat the republicans, Ms. Clinton; now thier struck with a man who is glaringly inexperenced and it will only get worse. As an independent, I gave serious consideration to Ms. Clinton, I felt she was the more experenced candidate, who was not only extremely intelligent, but could dethrone the republicans. The media in annointing Mr. Obama early on over Ms. Hillary made a big mistake. This election was the democrats to lose. This girl did a great job, she used humor effectively in her assesment of Mr. Obama, she stood up for her beliefs, and she came across extremely well, with a warm and articulate manner, that made you wish she was your mom. It was well scripted, but I think she'll be able to hold her own in debate with Mr. Biden any day of the week. She was quite impressive. Mr. Clinton, Mr. Gulliani, Ms. Palin all spoke extremely well at thier conventions, and were quite gifted in thier respected speeches. I would enjoy listening to any of them again, they are fasinating to listen to. I haven't decided who I'll vote for, but after all the media attacks on Ms. Palin, last night she came across quite well and her personality was warm as well as intelligent, you saw simple homespun qualities of a woman and her family, who is also quite bright and well spoken. But the media will blindly stick by the man they annointed, it's thier left wing agenda. So now when I read the mindless left wing drivel of the Rocky and thier editorial staff, I will reflect back to this two starkly different candidates, and what they truly have to offer America in a more objective train of thought. Ms. Palin did better than I ever expected, especially after all the media attacks upon her and her family. I think it would be wiser for the media in pursuit of thier left wing agenda, to go after Mc Cain and leave this girl to the shadows. Have Littwin attack Mc Cain, have Griego assure the democrats of the total hispanic vote, (like one shoe fits all, and they have no independent thought process), but I don't think it's wise to attack Ms. Palin. This girl is no cold fish, and I think America will warm up to her quite readily, as she appears and speaks more in the future. Wonder why the Salizar's father supports Mc Cain, did anybody hear his reasons for turning on the party of his sons? That was odd, but it shows he's his own man!
September 4, 2008

4:27 a.m.

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nevadaroadrunner writes:

Palin just put the battleground states back into the McCain column.
September 4, 2008

4:31 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Cutest camera shot? The little Palin girl licking her hand and styling the little Palin baby's hair. That was cute and made me think that little girl will make a wonderful mother someday. The love in that family was extremely visable.
September 4, 2008

5:01 a.m.

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dilligaf writes:

LOUIE
Oh yes how cute. I will sleep real well at night knowing that the hockey mom and former mayor of Mayberry will be making the decision to send troops into arms way. Gee maybe we can can the mother of the Brady Bunch to be Secretary of State. Yes I can't wait to watch Biden chew her up on foreign matters. There probably isn't a world leader that Biden hasn't met with.
September 4, 2008

5:19 a.m.

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KneeDeep writes:

Louie, you hit the nail on the head (Though you may not have intended too!) In your post you repeatedly say “This girl”. Therein lies the problem with this choice! We do not need a “girl” one heartbeat from the presidency! (Cute though her family may be). I heard a lot of populism last night, it was as if the DNC was still in town. Not a lot of substance a whole lot of wholesomeness. I wish that she would have at the very least touched on the issues that need to be addressed instead of the tiresome “family values” drivel. Unlike you who purport to be Independent, I am a conservative, but not a “Social Conservative” (This I view as the code word for the Christian right). This choice seems to have been made for 1 reason only and that was to garner the support of the Focus on the Family crowd. I still see this as a grave misjudgment, a pick made to get the support of those who in the end would have voted for McCain anyway! I do not wish to see a “girl” in the Whitehouse, there were far better choices that could have been made. (The two gentlemen who introduced Palin come to mind). In the end, her utter lack of experience will come to haunt the GOP. I feel that the election has been handed to the Democrats.
September 4, 2008

5:37 a.m.

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denverone writes:

Give me a job and free health insurance! Rescue me, Rescue me!

John McCain's father and grandfather risked their lives for you, John McCain risked his life for you, his two son's are risking their lives for you, and now Sarah Palin has a son risking his life for you.

Stupid weak Democrats.
September 4, 2008

5:49 a.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

Kneedeep, she ain't no girl. She describes herself as a "gal" and she is all woman. An American Woman and unlike that radical Obama, she loves my country.
She hip checked that empty suit last night so hard he will never get back up.
September 4, 2008

5:49 a.m.

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dilligaf writes:

denverone
A person that thinks that anybody that risks their lives for their country is qualified to be President has the nerve to call someone stupid. Buddy you probably was also one that voted in 2004 for a guy that ran from his duties and had the gall to bash a guy that fought and was highly decorated in Vietnam. Well I also fought in Vietnam so I guess I'm qualified. MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 4, 2008

5:52 a.m.

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dilligaf writes:

Latest Gallup Polls:
Obama- 50%
McCain- 42%

Looks like he is already up.
September 4, 2008

5:56 a.m.

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dilligaf writes:

No matter what she said last night I bet she didn't get a record 38 million viewers to see it like Obama did last thursday night.
September 4, 2008

5:57 a.m.

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bluecollarbytes writes:

"She used her 'perceived' weakness as a blunt instrument against Obama, comparing her executive experience as mayor of a small Alaskan town to Obama's career start as a community organizer."

"Perceived" by who?

By any measure but a strictly political one, Palin's experience dwarfs Obama's. If she were a Man, she would have been lauded as a leader, a self-stater who starts with the Big Things. Of course if Obama was white, we wouldn't be having this conversation since Obama would never have taken the African American vote away from Hillary Clinton. Then we would be talking about Hillary's 35 years {now 36} of working for the women&children people against Palin's mere mayorship and governorship.
September 4, 2008

5:57 a.m.

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youngman writes:

It was a great speech...it was factual....nothing in their was a smokescreen or a platitude like the Democrats do. Lower taxes means lower taxes...and then she told you what she did as Governor...lower taxes...defence....actually Alaska is a front line in our defence....lots of military in Alaska. Family Values...well Democrats .....lots of Americans HAVE family values...most of Americans have family values...and finally I think this is the death nell of the MSM...it has become so obvious that the MSM is part of the Democratic party and 50% of the country does not like it..good by New York Times....CNN....MSNBC...PBS....hello FOX
September 4, 2008

6:03 a.m.

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jlstaud writes:

Post 1 from last night....

1) Tonight Palin held her own in a speech delivered to a large group, millions of tv watchers and to the chagrin of the media and the Obama camp. Most of them wanted the deer in the headlights look, but instead she did a great job of delivering a message with strength and conviction.

2) A number of earlier posts have brought up this whole anti-Semitic thing from her church a couple weeks ago. Here is the difference between her and Obama. Obama was under the teaching of Rev. Wright for 20 years. Palin went to church and happened to come in contact with a guest speaker who may have said some inappropriate things. I don't know what was said because I haven't seen the whole message and I have no idea what the context was. In any case, anyone who has ever seen a guest speaker knows that sometimes they say things that make you shake your head so associating her with that is kind of a stretch. We don't know what her take on that message was and one speaker is not a reflection on her church as a whole.

3) For those who say this speech lacked substance, I wonder, did you watch Obama's last week? The reality here is that all convention speeches lack substance. These speeches are designed to put forth a couple ideas, attack the other campaign and galvanize the base. That is what Obama did last week, and that is what Palin did this evening.

4) As for the teleprompter talk.... Every public speaker uses them. It was obvious that Obama used one last week and it was obvious that Palin used one tonight. So what is the issue here?
September 4, 2008

6:05 a.m.

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jlstaud writes:

Post # 2 from last night

Rick e bear writes...

"She held her own speaking to a group made up of a majority white republicans. If they aren't going to "boo" Lieberman, they surely won't boo Palin.

You don't know what the people watching TV thought.

The media for the most part said she held her own in her speech. We'll find out the details of how she really did tomorrow."

Same thing could be said of Biden. The issue here was that she was a complete unknown and we had no idea how she would handle the pressure. Obviously I think she did well and the media did as well

"The links have been posted, you can make up your own mind on this."

You have to admit that this in no way can be compared to the Obama/Wright stuff. I don't know if you go to church, but guest speakers are always an unknown. Even when you give them direction you can't control what they say. So associating her with this guest speaker is going to be hard unlike Obama attending Wrights church for 20 years.

"Yes, I did. I didn't agree with some of the things he said, but he did list out his policies and what he wanted to accomplish as president. If you didn't see that, you weren't really watching, just judging."

I watched it and I'm not judging. He may have delivered ideas, but no concrete policy or how they were going to go about doing it. Palin did this as well tonight. Ideas, but no concrete policy. This should be expected from a VP speech. It was the case with Biden and Obama last week and no one should expect differently from Palin and McCain this week.

"It's all about delivery."

You're right. It is all about delivery and her delivery was strong. Granted you could tell she used a teleprompter and according to MSNBC it was malfunctioning, but you could tell Obama used one as well. Not really a big deal at all. I'm just glad she wasn't as uncomfortable as Nancy Pelosi from last week. It was like she'd never seen one before in her life.
September 4, 2008

6:06 a.m.

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bluecollarbytes writes:

Dillygaffe, yep, Obama, the pop-culture candidate, might very well have won the ratings war. Isn't American Idol still still the top rated TV show? The ObamaShow needs some new gimmicks. It's already burned through the Obama-The-One ratings gains and now looks to be on the downside of waining interest. It desperately needs 2 things- destroying Sarah Palin is job #1, with a new round of Obamasims that can appeal to an audience wider than African Americans, Academics, starry-eyed yoots, and bitter working Democrat clingers.
September 4, 2008

6:06 a.m.

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jlstaud writes:

Finally Post 3 from last night

A note about the anti-Semitic remarks that everyone is talking about....

http://www.jewishjournal.com/election...
September 4, 2008

6:09 a.m.

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Shadow writes:

Gov. Palin hit a homerun last night. She proved that a woman can have a career and home/family life, ie her cake and eat it too.

Liberals are running scared because she represents all that they claim to represent in the femminist movement. Now all of a sudden libs are talking a very conservative barefoot pregnant in the kitchen outlook for women.

Gov. Palin can she be the new Margeret Thatcher?

Knowing that her son will be in harms way gives her a lot more insight and will get a bigger consideration then a man who is a community activists.

Give me that PITBULL anytime!!!!
September 4, 2008

6:30 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

When she hit the sujects at hand, she came across much better than Mr. Obama. I would say Mr. Obama has a lot less experence than Ms. Palin, yet the democrats shot him to the top job over a more experenced candidate. If I had to look at pure accomplishments alone, I'd say she's done a heck of a lot more than Mr. Obama, and diffinately has more experence than Mr. Obama. The two old dogs, Mr Biden and Mr. Mc Cain are experenced enough, only problem is that the republicans put the experenced candidate in the top job, not second in charge. Democrats put inexperence in the top job, with experence playing second fiddle. That was a mistake by the democrats. Ms. Palin is second in charge with her limited national experence, not the top slot on the ticket. Meanwhile the democrats have a candidate with even less experence than Ms, Palin, running for the top job. Unlike the media, my past posts have bore true. I even predicted Obama over Hillary very early on, along with the severe consequences of doing so, the later is yet to roost.The presidency is not for an "on the job training candidate", you can like Dan Quayle, train the second in command, but not vice-versa. This was extremely foolish to try and do, you don't reverse the formula. Watch and see, it mat be a close election, but the democrats have arranged what I belive is a losing ticket. I'll eat crow for sure if I'm wrong; we'll see!
September 4, 2008

6:30 a.m.

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gregu710 writes:

"denverone writes:

Give me a job and free health insurance! Rescue me, Rescue me!

John McCain's father and grandfather risked their lives for you, John McCain risked his life for you, his two son's are risking their lives for you, and now Sarah Palin has a son risking his life for you.

Stupid weak Democrats."

Hey IDOT, I would be classified as a Dem by some of my more conservative friends, and I served my country, as do many Democrats. The Military is not made up exclusively of GOP Members, so I would say you owe the several tens of thousands of registered Democrats in harms way in our armed services a major apology!
September 4, 2008

6:32 a.m.

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danirobi writes:

I am proud to be a young Republican female after that speech!!!

I especially love the line about Obama having his own Presidential seal...priceless.

McCain/Palin '08
September 4, 2008

6:33 a.m.

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nicolec writes:

Louie- she is a woman, not a girl. Would you call McCain a boy? It looks like both parties need to check their sexism.
September 4, 2008

6:40 a.m.

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gregu710 writes:

well, with regard to her, she did a phenomonal job for the GOP. Great speech, well delivered, all in all a job well done, and I liked her during the first half of the speech. THEN, she dropped into the part of the speech written by President Bush’s speechwriter, and it turned into the nasty little jabs at Obama (honestly, it took all of my strength to get through Rudi’s speech, and I lost a lot of respect for him after his speech, since he obviously didn’t get the memo that most Americans are tired of the nasty little partisan name-calling, blame games and jabs), so that kind of diminished her speech (in my eyes). They made great efforts to show how much experience she had in Alaska, but come on, let’s be honest, she is basically the GOP version of Obama, fresh young face, good stage presence and oratory skills, backed up by very little experience. So, basically, now the GOP has it’s rock star to counter Obama. But, if she can carry off the debates (and we don’t get any nasty surprises after they dig into her record, as you know they will) like she has carried off the first couple speeches, she is exactly what the GOP needs, and she will give the Dems a run for their money. That will be the next big challenge, to see how she holds up in debates against Joe Biden. He’s not my pick for a VP, but he knows his way around debating very well and knows policy, so it will be interesting. My big question for the GOP is, if John McCain is “the Man”, why did the GOP do such a hack job on him in 2000 and give us George Bush instead. Now, we’re supposed to forget all of that and what this Administration has done to the country over the last 7 years because they gave us Bush instead of McCain like they SHOULD have, and give them a second (actually 3rd now) chance to get it right. I have a big problem with that.

Oh, I had a big problem with Rudi going off on Obama about the Chicago “political machine”. UH HELLO, you’re from NEW YORK, talk about hypocrisy and short memory!!!!! GEESH! One line of Rudis that made me laugh:

"Because change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy"

Well, Rudy, buddy, after what the GOP has done to this country over the last 8 years, HOPE is all we have left!!!

And another:

"In the single biggest policy decision of this election, John McCain got it right, and Barack Obama got it wrong."

Well, yes, actually, John McCain got it right with regard to the Surge, and that almost makes up for him (and most of the administration and Congress) getting it WRONG for us to have gone into Iraq in the first place, so yes, he gets points for supporting a strategy that seems to have corrected one of the biggest military and political blunders in history! So that makes him about even with Obama who got it right on the whole question of not going into Iraq in the first place, but then not supporting the surge!
September 4, 2008

6:46 a.m.

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KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

Mediocrity at it's best...whatever that means. Palin and McCain have the combined education and accomplishments of beauty queen with Alzheimer’s. If there was any duo that these two emulate best in history, I'd have to say they resemble Anna Nicole Smith and J. Howard Marshall.

McSame/Pay-lin "08"
September 4, 2008

6:57 a.m.

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KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

Libtards_R_Idiots writes:

Yes our gal did what she needed to do. She came up looked the pitcher square in the eye and jacked one completely out of the park.

Her speach was not good, it was sensational. Her delivery was not good, it was spectacular. Her message was not good, it was absolutely perfect.

The beautiful, yet brilliant, smart, strong, self confident woman will crush Biden and Obama.

The left is still trying to compare Obama's community service to here executive service. I am not sure if I can ever remember a campaign where the presidential nominee is being compared to the VP to show that they are better.

Barry winning the nomination was an accident forced by the MSM not by the democrats or even the democrat voters. Now you have to accept the empty suit and deal with the real issues.

The MSM is tripping over themselves trying to find any shred of negativity to hurt Gov Palin, while still hoisting Barry Hussein in the air.

Gov Palin, you did a wonderful job last night, far better than I expected. You are the perfect VP for this election.

YIOTA LIVES

Now that's funny...from handle to posting, you ever think of taking that on the road. Really you're hysterical!
September 4, 2008

7:02 a.m.

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1968camaro writes:

Sarah Palin is the real thing. She spoke much truth last night and defended this nation already. She also put to shame Obama and the cut throat VP that he chose. Biden and Obama were attacking each other now the best of friends. This lady is the perfect pick for a VP for the future President McCain. I hope all you Democrats listened to the speech last night. "But" if your head was up the back side of Obama it was muffled and you did not hear that your Prez candidate is full of the hot air, deceit and lies. Oh yeah, stay out of her personal life and quit trying to use it for fuel. But wait that is all you have to kick her down. HaHa! Pathetic! Look at Sarah Palin and John McCains track record, even the bad is far better then; wait Obama is a socialist and Biden, ? No comparison!

McCain/Palin 08!
September 4, 2008

7:09 a.m.

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KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

Heeee Haw 1968camaro you really told us! Don't worry your little NRA heart, I'm sure you'll still be able to mount your guns on that rack mounted on the back winder of your 1968camaro.
September 4, 2008

7:12 a.m.

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dilligaf writes:

This is the only ratings I look at:
Latest Gallup Polls:
Obama- 50%
McCain- 42%

Plus the one on Nov 4th.
Palin when you get back home tell goober dilligaf said hey.
September 4, 2008

7:14 a.m.

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KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

ToeNee not feeling the love? Go to the FOX media outlets, you'll feel right at home.
September 4, 2008

7:24 a.m.

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DiogenesTheCynic writes:

If you think the RMN, which supported the Iraq war and endorsed Bush twice, is anything near left wing, you're standing miles to the right of Pat Buchanan for goodness sake.
September 4, 2008

7:24 a.m.

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csatswra writes:

dilligaf, Latest Gallup Poll as of this morning.
Obama- 49%
McCain- 43%

Pay attention,
This change in numbers and it's only 7:25am.
September 4, 2008

7:27 a.m.

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rip84 writes:

1968camaro. Let's discuss the McCain/Palin track record.

1. McCain is a member of the Keating 5. He was reprimanded by Congress for bad judgement for comingling legislative and personal business. McCain received over $100k in political contributions from Keating. Cindy McCain had personal investments in Keating projects. McCain's SNL votes assisted in the downfall of an industry.
2. McCain cheated on his first wife with his current wife. Why he didn't divorce his first wife is a mystery. Not exactly family values. Also, McCain cheated on Cindy with Vicky Iseman, a lobbyst who McCain has assisted by voting in favor of the very lobby Iseman supports.
3. The Feingold/McCain campaign finance reform has created a less transparent lobbyist culture through the creation of PAC's. It was meant to be a good thing, but all it has done is created less transparency. Most lobbyst business is know conducted under the table. McCain is a good friend to lobbyists.
4. Palin supported the "bridge to nowhere," a congressional earmark sending millions to construct a bridge to an island with less than 25 people. In addition, Palin hired a lobbyist to steer Congressional earmarks to Wasilia.
5. Palin received political contributions from VECO, the corporation shut down by the FBI for bribery and corruption charges. This flies in the face of her political corruption stance.
6. Very simply, Palin was incapable of teaching her daughter the family value of abstinence. Given her pro-life stance, people should not celebrate the decision for her daughter to have a child. Given her stance, this should be a no-decision and not celebrated. Frankly, her daughter comes across as a teenage skank in the mold of Jamie Lynn Spears. This should appeal to anyone who is interested in Jerry Springer and Lifetime Channel afternoon matinees.
September 4, 2008

7:28 a.m.

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BuffMan writes:

It was truly inspiring to see a poised leader in Sarah Palin take on Obama and the disgusting liberal elite media last night. What is driving them crazy this morning (as evidenced with some truly inane comments above) is the reality that there are millions of strong women in America who are NOT typical angry liberal feminists with no real idea how to run anything of substance .... don't you know the media elites are scrambling around this morning to find out something about "... the Abqaiq facility in Saudi Arabia..."<<< duh! This election will be about OIL. And the relationship between OIL and national security. Bring it on Biden and Obama. You've got some real problems now. Can't wait for the debates!
September 4, 2008

7:29 a.m.

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DiogenesTheCynic writes:

csatswra: Changes within margin of error are impossible to tell apart from statistical noise. One of those accursed liberal universities could have taught you that.
September 4, 2008

7:31 a.m.

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PonchoVia writes:

Things I learned about the unknown Sarah Palin:
1. She can read words from a teleprompter in a speech that someone else wrote.
2. She will continue the same divisive, nasty, negative partisan rhetoric that McCain himself has said is so bad for the country, and McCain himself has lowered his campaign to doing.
3. She, like McCain, doesn't think issues are important in this campaign.
4. She will continue to ram her family values based agenda down our throats, while insisting that we not question her decisions with respect to her own family.
5. She will continue to blame the so-called "liberal" media for the Republicans' problems.
September 4, 2008

7:34 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

The others mistakes are this: Mr. Obama harps on George Bush, that's fine; he left 8 years to scutinize along with extremely low ratings with voters. The issue I have is this platform of "Change". Change to what? Mr. Obama never really concentrates on the things he wants to change other than tax the rich and reduce taxes for the middle class and poor. No real foriegn agenda has been made clear along with other more pressing issues. He has changed his mind on so many issues, it's now quite confusing what "change" is going to be. He never sticks to one path, it's like he's taking us in circles. He needs to lessen the attacks on Bush, Bush is history to judge. Instead he needs to concentrate on making his own positions clearer to the American people, and stick to it, and quit reversing himself. I still really don't know where Mr. Obama stands, I heard the words of his running mate, Ms, Clinton and others in his own party hammer him for lack of experence, so who is right? Mr. Obama needs to establish himself, not George Bush' many faults. He needs to make his changes real to the people, not leave questions. The kid has charisma, he's very eloquent as a speaker. Yet to beat the war hero, he needs more substance if he's going to beat the boy. As for Ms. Palin, she has one heck of a warm personality and intelligent, she makes both very visable. The democrats need to attack her carefully. She sounds more the candidate of "Change"; to have accomplished the changes she made as governor in such a realitively short time. What "change" has Mr. Obama already effected on his own without the senior senators in his party? What piece of legislation did he alone ever author? He needs to make his position clearer; and still it'll be a question of experence as stated by those in his own party early on. He can keep harping on Bush; Bush is now left to history. I want to know other than platitudes and slogans, what is America's future with Mr. Obama? What is his true position on Iraq, I've heard him say many conflicting things concerning the war. I think he is stuck in one groove when it comes to his campaign, he needs more substance. Mr. Biden should now step up and help the junior senator, it's why he chose him to shore up his lack of experence.
September 4, 2008

7:35 a.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

The Dems and their Leftstream Media pals are running scared now. They got their affirmative action candidate and now they have to live with the consequences of pushing a junior Senator to the front of the line. We call expect the usual "Diebold" "Faux News" "Stolen Election" meme come Nov. 5th.
Bill Clinton got elected on lies. Like Barry, he promised to cut taxes and he raised them. The economy wasn't broken then just like now- 3% in the last quarter. Just remember McGovern, Carter (1980), Dukakis, Gore, Kerry and now Barry Obama. And the Left wonders what happened.
September 4, 2008

7:35 a.m.

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PonchoVia writes:

Oh, I forgot to mention one more thing that I learned about the unknown Sarah Palin:

Last but not least:
6. Sarah Palin lies just as well as Bush: She looked into the camera and told the American public that as governer she did not accept money from congress for the "Road to Nowhere", when in fact, she DID accept money from congress for the "Road to Nowhere".
September 4, 2008

7:36 a.m.

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sheepherder writes:

Too early for polls to mean anything, even the canidates will tell you that. Palin is awsome! I would vote for her as president!
September 4, 2008

7:38 a.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

Frontranger- if you think anybody believes you 'were' an "independent" voter, fogetatboutit.
September 4, 2008

7:38 a.m.

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VoiceTheWord writes:

Got the pic of her in the american flag bikini holding a rifle. WOW. Gun toter, yet pro-life!?! Only if we could post pics w/ comments.
September 4, 2008

7:41 a.m.

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666 writes:

How very droll. Nice to see that she's "fighting back", even if it's in response to nonexistent attacks.

I've noticed that ever since the stories about her pregnant daughter and ethics investigation came out, almost 100% of the commentary has come from conservative pundits. They claim to be responding to attacks made against Palin by "the Democrats" but I can find little or no proof that these attacks even happened. It's kinda like how, on a slow news day, when you can hear a pin drop in the newsroom, suddenly Mahmoud Ahmadinehjad pipes up and says "The United States had better not attack us!!" And we say "What the hell are you talking about? No one even mentioned attacking you." That's what the conservatives are doing, hitting back first, avenging nonexistent wrongs.
September 4, 2008

7:42 a.m.

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PonchoVia writes:

What's up with those RNC buttons and slogans that say "Palin: the hottest candidate from the coldest state", or something like that? Is that consistent with the Christian right values?
September 4, 2008

7:44 a.m.

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ColoradoGal57 writes:

Interesting! http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arch...
September 4, 2008

7:50 a.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

666- you must have your head in the sand if you missed the Leftstream Media printing every rumor about Sarah they could find since Friday. It must be lovely to live in your world.
September 4, 2008

7:56 a.m.

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dilligaf writes:

dilligaf, Latest Gallup Poll as of this morning.
Obama- 49%
McCain- 43%

WOW!!!!!! A whole 1% change. Looks like if she makes 3 more speeches it will be even.

Cons it is time for you to realize this choice put a fork in McCain. Now I know it is hard to except. But I have talked to several Republicans since McCain made this decision and they have all admitted that this gave Obama the job. All of you that still defends this move are reaching. McCain will lose this election.
September 4, 2008

7:57 a.m.

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timeandagain writes:

Never worry Republicans! We will win in November, just like most Presidential elections! You see, Democrats do an awful lot of chest pounding at this point...a few of them make a lot of noise. On election day, however, the vast majority of the constituents they rely on are either too STUPID or too LAZY to find their polling place on election day...
September 4, 2008

8:06 a.m.

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truth2u writes:

Finally SUBSTANCE! Whether you agree with her or not. It was a speech with specifics, not just empty words.
September 4, 2008

8:13 a.m.

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LuvAmerica writes:

denverone writes:
"John McCain's father and grandfather risked their lives for you, John McCain risked his life for you, his two son's are risking their lives for you, and now Sarah Palin has a son risking his life for you."

It would be great if Palin/McCain won. Having members of the administration who have served in the military or their family members who are serving would be a refreshing change.
September 4, 2008

8:17 a.m.

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davies writes:

dilligaffe: We all see your delight in the recent Gallup Poll results, which you apparently favor. I just hope that you are as willing to accept and embrace the final vote results in November. OK?
September 4, 2008

8:22 a.m.

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Vector049 writes:

Learn more about the barracuda:

http://www.creators.com/opinion/rober...
September 4, 2008

8:24 a.m.

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fastnloose writes:

If McCain/Palin send troups to battle, sounds like their sons will lead the charge.People can no longer argue,they wouldn't do battle if they had sons or daughters to send.The left says Biden needs to bring his A-game to the debate.I have watched this man for years,he doesn't even have an A-game.However he is awesome at cocktail parties.
September 4, 2008

8:25 a.m.

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Michael writes:

As someone on one of the cable shows mentioned, Palin is the 1st national candidate since Teddy Roosevely who can field dress a moose and the only candidate around this time who can field strip and assemble an M-16. She has commanded the Alaska National Guard for 2 years - who on either ticket has any comparable experience, including McCain? She has more direct energy experience than all the other 3 combined. I think the energy connection is being overlooked. The lefties keep harping on how Biden knows world leaders and will kick her a#@ in the debates. Really? Maybe. But wait until the questions focus on drilling, energy, oil, oil companies, and such. Let's see who kicks a$# then as that is a HUGE issue right now. The left hate her and are afraid of her because she represents everything they love and respect in an accomplished WOMAN - except that Palin is a conservative Republican and that is like a chicken bone in their throat.
September 4, 2008

8:29 a.m.

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oofda writes:

Dilligut, I feel for you and want to pay for your health insurance, welfare handouts, and anything else you need so you can stay at home and drink. have another one on the working class.
September 4, 2008

8:31 a.m.

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davies writes:

Yeah, hi Gloria, very nice piece. I am a pro-choice Christian, and there are of course a great many more. I do not necessarily accept or embrace every word of the Bible as the unequivocated word of God. Sorry that this will upset your black-and-white world, but I profess my Christianity nonetheless, and you and your ilk cannot deny me; that of course is up to God. To whatever chapter and verse you choose to quote next, I reply "we'll see, dearie".
September 4, 2008

8:33 a.m.

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saveferris writes:

I thought she was pretty funny! But that doesn't mean I want her for VP. Maybe she'll be a guest on SNL. So far in the DNC and the RNC all I've heard is both partiest trying to be better trash talkers than the other. There are too many important issues to sit at home and watch these people take pot-shots at each other.

So far from the DNC I learned Change..Hope...Change...Hope....Change..Hope.....

So far from the RNC I've learned
Fear...Terror....Let's get them all.....Fear.....Boogyman is gonna get ya.....

Last night it sounded like the Rebublicans have more concrete plans for the U.S.A. than the Democrats. But the Rebublicans' plans scare the heII out of me and the Democrats haven't a clue. No matter how this election turns out I think we're in big trouble.
September 4, 2008

8:33 a.m.

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DenverDan writes:

I can’t afford to have my son play Hockey! Just a middle class guy.
September 4, 2008

8:36 a.m.

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jlstaud writes:

Frontranger writes:
"the fact that she got knocked up at 44 years old shows she has no "actual" judgement."

Are you serious or just trying to be an idiot. Women have children in their 40's all the time. A down's baby could have happened to a 16 year old for crying out loud. this has nothing to do with judgement and certainly nothing to do with politics.

PonchoVia writes:
"Things I learned about the unknown Sarah Palin:
1. She can read words from a teleprompter in a speech that someone else wrote."

Congratulations. You call her out on something that EVERY politician does. They all use teleprompters and none of them write their own speeches.
September 4, 2008

8:42 a.m.

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Fireball writes:

Marine Grunt: You are so right in your comments regarding dilligaf. He is a bitter, uneducated idiot that needs to go back to his job riding shotgun on a porta-potty truck. OK, now I will leave him alone.
September 4, 2008

8:45 a.m.

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fastnloose writes:

The republicans could win this election on oil alone.They made it very clear what they would do, to help us not pay $4.00 per gallon of gas. Obama's idea,spend 150 Billion over the next 10 years on technology that we really aren't sure if they will be the answer or not. Want to help hurting families? Get the price of gas down as quickly as possible!
September 4, 2008

8:46 a.m.

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RUKidding writes:

Not impressed what so ever. Typical "Bush" type speach, filled with typical republican bashing of Democrats, because they can't come up with anything else.

Love how the camera was so focused on her family, and the 4 people of color in the audience, Give me a break.
September 4, 2008

8:50 a.m.

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dilligaf writes:

Cons run your mouths all you want. I can take it. But I will be here Nov 5Th. YOU CAN COUNT ON IT. Oh by the way Grunt what ever happen to all of you that was also saying we would have riots in the streets of Denver (that never happened)? And now that they are having them in Minnesota you aren't running you mouth. Wrong about that one too.
Also Grunt you need to quit using that call name. No where have you ever proved that you were ever in a war zone. You ask me a while back and I mention my unit in Nam. But I never heard yours. A supply desk don't count.
September 4, 2008

8:51 a.m.

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Squatch writes:

After watching the DNC and most of the RNC I have come to one conclusion I need to go out and buy a couple new shovels.
September 4, 2008

8:53 a.m.

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jwbeuk writes:

funny, the left continues to prove they are sexist, again and you wonder why Hillary isn't out leading the charge the inexperienced community organizer? to be a woman in the democratic party you need to tow the party line, have no more than 2 children (abort any more), and if you work outside of home you MUST not even attempt to move up the corportate ladder. Sexism is alive and well and it lives in the democratic party. FYI to those geniuses stating she can "read" a good speech? What do you think obama is good at? That's right, reading a speech. Get him off teleprompter and he can't put together a cogent thought.
September 4, 2008

8:53 a.m.

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Fireball writes:

Have you ever seen Obama speak without a teleprompter? He is no better than Bush; goes ah, ah, ah, all of the time, stutters, and all the while is searching for something that he thinks you want to hear. With the teleprompter, he is an awesome speaker but without any preparation, he looks like the empty suit that he really is.

Palin knocked it out of the park last night at her very first at-bat as a newly signed rookie. She was soft, hard, intelligent, humorous and informative throughout the night. What an awesome lady, what an awesome choice. Go McCain/Palin '08
September 4, 2008

8:54 a.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

RUkidng- White is a color. Get used to it. I can be white and be more or as open-minded than any person that is pink, green, brown or black. 90% of a demographic voting for a candidate because he is what color?
September 4, 2008

8:56 a.m.

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cmck writes:

As a republican looking for a reason to vote for McCain, I found Sarah Palin's speech very on point, but very disappointing.

Her apparent bravery in walking out on stage to face a nation and world, quickly reduced to pettiness and meanness, to sarcasm, and disparaging ridicule of an opponent who consistently has shown respect and consideration for his opponents.

I have always been turned off by McCain's mean tongue and love for demeaning ridicule. I was hoping to find in his running mate a person who would temper his inclination to swim in the gutter.
Instead McCain has picked someone who is just as snide and demoralizing toward a large part of the nation as he is, someone who will not only insure that dirty politics lives on, but that the divide and polarization in this country will be expanded. Instead of people coming together for the common good, America will be ripped apart. Is this the inevitable shame we are caught in?

What has reduced the Republicans to glorifying and gloating over this type of sewer politics and nastiness? And why do they credit the God of peace with their positions on national politics & ‘strike-first’ war policies?
September 4, 2008

8:57 a.m.

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DenverDan writes:

In the next 36 hours, the McCain campaign will be pouring millions of dollars -- if not tens of millions -- into negative attack ads against Barack Obama.

Before John McCain accepts the Republican nomination on Thursday, his campaign has to spend every last dollar of primary funds they've raked in from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs.

Just yesterday, they aired a new negative ad in 14 swing states. His campaign manager even admitted that all McCain has to rely on is attacks, saying that for them, "This election is not about issues." Frist class? Did the Prom Queen talk about any issues? NO.....
September 4, 2008

8:57 a.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

btw, Sarah wasn't using the teleprompter in the second half of the speech, she was winging it from memory and her notes. The teleprompter didn't stop for the applause breaks and she had kick it to the curb like she did Obambi.
September 4, 2008

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Biff writes:

Dilligaf....you are such an old relic of the 70's. I'd be willing to bet that you still live in the same house that you lived in 30 years ago!

Lets take a look at the reality of what Obama is trying to do!

You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.

You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.

You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.

You couldn't join the military and become a general after a 143 days of experience.

You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor at CNN after 143 days of experience.

BUT....

From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working. After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World .... 143 days.

We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, but after 143 days, that's all it is - a start.

AND, strangely, a large sector of the American public is okay with this and campaigning for him. We wouldn't accept this in our own line of work, yet some are okay with this for the President of the United States of America? Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol....were voting for the next President of the United States!
September 4, 2008

9:01 a.m.

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Coffee_Mug writes:

A rousing speech last night. Just like criticize Obama for his ability to give a great speech, this was the same. I am not an Obama follower, I am trying to read through the BS. It seemed she said exactly what people wanted to hear. After all the clapping, cheering , and back-patting is over, the real work must begin and hopefully she is up to task. Please don't give me feel good speeches, give me some answers.
September 4, 2008

9:02 a.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

Biff- affirmative action means not having to say you have experience.
September 4, 2008

9:05 a.m.

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DUPioneers writes:

Some of you (liberal) bloggers are getting awfully defensive in this forum!

I've not made my decision on who to support, but I am drawn by Palin's candid freshness. Last night's speech (regardless of who wrote it) was very good. For those criticizing the "punches" she threw, can you blame her? She's been unfairly kicked around for the past week. If somebody ever takes a swing at me, I can assure you that I'll swing back.

Kudos, Gov. Palin, on a job well done!
September 4, 2008

9:09 a.m.

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RockyMtnMac writes:

Why are so many of you afraid of women? Perhaps there are underlaying issues you should deal with before deciding your vote. Go home, call your mothers, apologize, and get over it!
September 4, 2008

9:14 a.m.

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4gColoNative writes:

Mrs. Palin would make a great member of Congress from Alaska. Maybe even a decent Chairperson for a lesser Congressional Committee.

VP, no. Stand-in as President, no.
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What struck me in her speech was the fear-mongering. Which is a big tactic of the Republican Party (WMD scare). She wants people to vote for grandpa McCain because he will keep them safe.
I didn't know McCain is the Batman.
September 4, 2008

9:14 a.m.

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slugo writes:

Ron Paul! Bob Barr! Ron Paul! Bob Barr! Ron Paul! Bob Barr!!!!
September 4, 2008

9:17 a.m.

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jwbeuk writes:

the speech was "mean spirited", are you serious? What was Biden's speech about? Happiness and joy? To those who may be new to politics, brought in by their love their worshipping of Obama it is the candidate for VPs job to do exactly what she did last night, as it was Biden's job last week. Mean spirited? How about the comments made from the left wing in regards to McCain's age, McCain military experience, time as a POW, etc.? Same with Palin's sex, children, etc., etc., etc.? She obviously touched a nerve last night and the left is in a tizzy. I guess that just means we can expect the main stream media to continue dumpster diving in an effort to discredit and destroy her whether the facts are factual or they are not.
September 4, 2008

9:18 a.m.

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guz21715 writes:

If you looked hard enough you could see the puppet strings...Pit bull? Please...would have been nice to hear something of substance instead of that pointless grandstanding...so you're a hockey mom; good for you...
September 4, 2008

9:21 a.m.

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jwbeuk writes:

4gColoNative, why? Because she is a WOMAN?
September 4, 2008

9:23 a.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

4gNative- "Mrs. Palin would make a great member of Congress from Alaska. Maybe even a decent Chairperson for a lesser Congressional Committee."
Mr. Obama would also be a great member of Congress if he was ever there or when he was didn't just vote present. He would also make a decent chairperson if he EVER called his on committee to one meeting.
Empty Suit, meet American Mom, the Sarahcuda.
September 4, 2008

9:23 a.m.

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leatherneck writes:

dilligaf: I bet you won't be posting on Nov 5th, you will be too busy cryen...McCain in a landslide.
September 4, 2008

9:26 a.m.

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guz21715 writes:

"Oh my, the liberals are having a complete meltdown.

guz21715 - puppet strings.
4gColoNative - fear-mongering
Tbone - juvenile

Wow, complete denial and hate mongering by the liberals. Hmm, who would have guessed such a thing.

McCain/Palin 08"

Now that's some funny stuff, Lib...bet you couldn't even see with the blindfold off...
September 4, 2008

9:26 a.m.

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gregu710 writes:

Biff, exactly how much experience in any job prepares you to be Commander in Chief of the United States. As Governor, do you send troops overseas to Iraq, or negotiate on the world stage with foreign countries? NO! As a business leader, or even senior Senator, do you have your hand on the nuclear button? NO! So, please clarify exactly which job in the private or public sector makes one qualified to be Number 1. Personally, I would rather look at the characters and personalities of the candidates as well as their plans with regard to the actual issues confronting us, and then make a logical choice, instead of giving in to fear-mongering or slurs on character, as a majority of posters here seem to like. We were told that George H.W. Bush was a good man, but he negotiated NAFTA which has been ruinous to American jobs, although Clinton and Gingrich can share in that blame! Then we were told that Bill Clinton was the next great thing in '92, but he couldn't keep his thing where it belonged, and disgraced the White House (but also did some good things). Then the GOP told us they had a God-fearing man who led by his convictions, and this country has been ripped apart and made some very serious blunders out of ignorance or naiivete on the foreign policy stage. All 3 of these men had experience in the Legislature and as Executive Branch leaders, and yet none were all that great, and one was really a big two-time mistake! I am still undecided but I can tell you I will be watching both sides like a hawk, and the little dirty jabs like we got from Rudi last night will NOT help McCain (or Obama if he lowers himself to that level).
September 4, 2008

9:26 a.m.

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JluvDC writes:

I watched her last night and I thought overall she gave a really good speech. The only line that really bothered me though was when she was attacking Obama and said

"Al Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America ... he's worried that someone won't read them their rights? "

Everyone no matter what they are accused of should always be advised of their rights. That is something that as Americans we should always make sure happens because the law is innocent until proven guilty, no matter what the initial evidence suggests.

Bad speech writing? Is this really her position? Hard to say.
September 4, 2008

9:28 a.m.

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davies writes:

RMM: "Why are so many of you afraid of women? Perhaps there are underlaying issues..."

Too funny! The term is: underLYING issues, not 'underlaying'. I should know, as I am underlaid ;-)
September 4, 2008

9:30 a.m.

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dilligaf writes:

RockyMtnMac
I'm not afraid of women. Why just last night I was in the kitchen while my wife fixed my dinner then washed the dishes. Never bothered me once.
September 4, 2008

9:32 a.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

dilligaf, how is Obama's campaign about "Change" when Biden is an entrenched Washington politician? Another question........ how can Obama talk about foreign policy when the closest he's been to it is campaigning to Germans in Berlin? I like Palin because she's no-nonsense and she won't say one thing to a particular audience in one state and another to a different audience in another state across the country. McCain won't either. Obama has. And wasn't it Biden and Hillary Clinton that in the primaries said Obama is NOT qualified to run this country? Of those 126 days Obama's been in legislative action (showing up to the Senate and voting), a large percentage of his votes haven't been a "yes" or "no", he's only showed up to listen to debates on bills. Kind of like an, "I'm here but I have no clue" type of thing.

One more thing, are you going to ask Obama to tell Buckwheat "hey" from dilligaf when he gets back home?
September 4, 2008

9:32 a.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

JluvDC- You are confusing American rights with non-american. If you want to argue Miranda rights for Americans, we can all agree to that. If you want to give Amar from Saudi Arabia those same rights, not going to happen. This isn't the United States of the World just yet.
September 4, 2008

9:36 a.m.

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ptorres writes:

As a republican I think she will make an ok Vice president. My concern is and I pray that nothing happens to John and Iran get foolish at the same time. Managing Alaska government is thing but managing War & conclict is another. I wish the party the best of luck with this scary choice for Vice President of the USA.
September 4, 2008

9:36 a.m.

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mytwosense writes:

denverone writes: "John McCain's father and grandfather risked their lives for you, John McCain risked his life for you, his two son's are risking their lives for you, and now Sarah Palin has a son risking his life for you."

I can honestly envision an attempt at a military takeover in this country one day if the rightwingers remain in power. They have raised the military to the level of a deity that must be worshiped. At every turn, they inform Americans that they are beholden to the military for EVERYTHING.

Huckabee's speech last night was an instructive example. The crowd roared in approval at his annecdote about a teacher who refused to give her class the desks that American taxpayers paid for until the next day.

At which point, uniformed members of the military silently entered the classroom with their desks, and this class of young, impressionable children "learned" they do not earn their desks through good grades, they do not earn their desks through good behavior, they do not earn their desks because Americans believe in and fund a strong public education - no, they don't earn their desks at all.

They are beholden to the military for their desks.

Talk about indoctrinating impressionable kids to be good obedient subjects to Big Brother!

One thing is clear - for all their talk about being anti-government, the rightwing extremists are enamored with authority and authoratarian symbolism. And they won't be happy until every American falls in line with their vision of a rigid hierarchy that pays constant homage to an authoratarian image, be it "Republican Jesus" or an omnipotent military.
September 4, 2008

9:36 a.m.

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COLibertarian writes:

Dilligaf, hope your morning is well my friend.

I will put forth that I am not voting for either candidate. I would have voted for McCain if and only if he selected Hillary as his running mate. That would have been true change!

But you post "dilligaf writes:

This is the only ratings I look at:
Latest Gallup Polls:
Obama- 50%
McCain- 42%

Plus the one on Nov 4th.
Palin when you get back home tell goober dilligaf said hey."

Latest polls are POST DNC Convention? From my little understanding of Presidential politics, isnt there supposed to be a DOUBLE Digit Bump after a convention?? This is not a double digit lead, therefore, I would be concerned.

Mayberry Dilligaf? Yes a middleclass type couple is nominated for VP. Someone that can talk to either you or I and understand where we are coming from. WOW. People bash McCain because of his many houses.......rich elitist this and rich elitisht that. Having it both ways means only 1 thing PARTISAN POLITICS.
I will choose to vote for an alternate candidate this yr as I have for most years since the Republican Party was Hijacked by the religious right and the Economically inept leadership of Rep party. The Dems have been Hijacked also, but that is another time.
September 4, 2008

9:39 a.m.

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FCZ writes:

Obama Speech - Teleprompter Goes Out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVP...
September 4, 2008

9:39 a.m.

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Coffee_Mug writes:

3400 soldiers leave Fort Carson today for a yearlong tour in Iraq.
All the grandstanding and bickering doesn't mean squat. I don't care if Palin is a 'hockey mom" or that Obama is african-american. Our kids are going off to war, and hoping for the best outcome. Lets get to the real issues and try and figure those out.
September 4, 2008

9:41 a.m.

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DenverNative985 writes:

Things I respect about Sarah Palin:

She is a woman making history.
She is a mother.
She is a successful career woman.
She is a talented speaker.
She is intelligent.
She believes in what she is saying which makes her seem trustworthy.

The thing that I can't respect about her and most republicans is the hypocrisy of their beliefs. She has to work hard to get voters that her and McCain don't already have, and if she's going to do that then she needs to figure out how to appeal to the people who don't believe in their platform. Yes, change is vague, Barack Obama has work to do as well, but the bottom line is: I'd rather have the idea of change shoved down my throat than the preaching of hypocritical Republican ideals. If they could catch up with those of us who want to see America progress and live in the 21st century they might have my vote. But, McCain is going to have to do a lot more than pick a woman who is in a different generation to make me believe that he is going to do something good for the country aside from "win a war." She is a woman who doesn't support women's rights to choose and that alone takes her out of the running. This election is about issues, more than the issue of the war in Iraq, more than the issue of off-shore drilling; it's about social issues as well. Sarah Palin does not have a grasp on social issues and she is going to have prove her candidacy by appealing to people who may not agree with what she has to say, and I'm excited to see if she can rise to the challenge.
September 4, 2008

9:41 a.m.

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JluvDC writes:

Oh_Wise_One, but there are American terrorists, we've already had one incident where an American was working with the Taliban. I guess its just me, but I don't think that people should be given less of a chance to defend themselves just because they weren't born in the US.
September 4, 2008

9:41 a.m.

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leatherneck writes:

JluvDC: Those are American rights, not terrorists rights. You think terrorist have the same value on life that the US does? Your crazy, We are the "Infidel," they want to kill us all, and they would if given the chance.
September 4, 2008

9:42 a.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

gregu17- "(or Obama if he lowers himself to that level)." You must have missed The Obama speech at Invesco last week or most of the speeches in the last month where he has been slamming 4 mores years of the last eight McBush.
Both parties do it, your naive vision of the Dems is laughable.
September 4, 2008

9:43 a.m.

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4gColoNative writes:

Some of you people take stock in everything you hear that a) bolsters your view, however un-informed, or b) comes from someone you "like." You actually think a political stump speech is a legitimate way to learn the truth on matters. How sad.

You want to make hay with Palin's remark about Obama voting "Present?"

Chew on this fact from a voting record database:
"John McCain has missed 407 votes (63.8%) during the current Congress."
September 4, 2008

9:46 a.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

JluvDC- I will defend the American terrorists right to have all of the same protections under the law. And when he or she has had a fair trial, they can have the same execution as a non-american has a right to.
September 4, 2008

9:51 a.m.

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DahmersCookbook writes:

Palin is REAL, AMERICAN and PROUD. The polar opposite of obama. She is more American than apple pie, this has to absolutely frighten the word artist muslim, and the fact that Palin
holds her hand over her heart and the only towell shes ever sported is out of the shower. This stacked with the honesty and Patriotism of McCain makes for a powerful American duo. Do the dems have anybody American?
September 4, 2008

9:52 a.m.

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mytwosense writes:

I knew MarineGrunt would take the bait and prove my point. After all, he's notorious on these forums for shoving his service in our faces and claiming he has more of a right to his opinions because he served in the military.

He scoffs at my post...then proceeds to repeat the rightwing extremist memo to Americans that we are in bondage to the military:

"Love to see those who use there Rights to bash on those who gave them those Rights."
September 4, 2008

9:52 a.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

4gColonative- How many days did The One serve in Congress before he launched his Presidential campaign? 144. I don't care enough to look up the votes he has missed but it would be similar or more to McCains.
bonus questions- How many days did McCain serve in the Senate before he ran for President in 2000? How many bipartisan bills has McCain sponsored, not just attached is name to?
End question- Who is the freshman Junior Senator from Illinois?
September 4, 2008

9:54 a.m.

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PonchoVia writes:

Simply put, I'm not rewarding the Republican party with my vote this year - not after the past 8 years of failure by Bush. The Republicans had their chance and they failed.
September 4, 2008

9:54 a.m.

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BO writes:

denverone/ luv america-
Biden's son is also heading to Iraq.
Yes McCain, his dad, and grandpappy all served, and I appreciate that (I have even read and enjoyed my copy of "Faith of My Fathers"). I appreciate Palin's son going as well. That doesn't mean I have to support their policies. Nor does it mean I don't have the right to question Palin's qualifications. I suppose I should blindly support every war hero that comes down the pike, like Duke Cunningham, who was a Naval Ace pilot (and also now in prison). McCain said we should stop the "nonsense" of questioning her qualifications. Excuse me- the voters get to decide that, not him.

I have already seen what the next 4 years will look like, via the Bush administration (I wonder why his name was never mentioned last night). I'm willing to gamble on a new direction. If Obama stinks, I will not hesitate to vote him out in 2012. Are either of you willing to do the same in 2012 if McCain wins and turns out to be a dud? I would have voted for McCain in 2000, when he was truly a maverick. He has changed during this campaign. I can't bring myself to vote for someone whose idea of change is voting against Bush 5%-10% of the time. I found it hilarious that so many last night were so enthusiastic about their 2 candidates, neither of whom were the 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd choices of many in the hall last night. I also enjoyed the applause that Todd Palin received when Sarah mentioned he was part of a labor union. Last I heard, the GOP isn't wild about those.
September 4, 2008

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davies writes:

Yap yap yap. Righties are horrible self righteous hypocrite fascists... lefties are deluded wishful thinkers who only lift their limp wrists for entitlement handouts... yada yada yada.

Maybe we all do have 'underlaying' issues.
September 4, 2008

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

DUPioneers, you're right. It's hypocritical of the liberals/Democrats posting here criticizing Palin for attacking Obama when the Democratic Party and the media have attacked her. On the one hand, Chelsea Clinton was off-limits to the media and conversation about her, yet on the other hand, McCain's and Palin's families are fair game. This is the type of double standard that drives people crazy. Then this morning I hear a Biden piece attacking Palin for her not talking about foreign policy, healthcare and son on...... something the Democrats didn't do last week also. Why can't she fight back, and attack when she's attacked?

I like Palin as VP, and if it ever came to where she had to be Prez, I'd definitely be fine with that. She's representative of the average American more than McCain, and certainly a lot more than Obama and Biden.
September 4, 2008

9:57 a.m.

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4gColoNative writes:

Amazing. A lot of what some of you are claiming qualifies someone to be President, moreso than the opponent, can and was said of Bush. Bush the Idiot, who botched the presidency. Bush, whom history will regard as one of the worst Presidents, if not THE worst, ever. So much for your qualifications.
September 4, 2008

9:58 a.m.

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dilligaf writes:

Libtards_R_Idiots
I also just looked. You are stretching it is Obama- 49% McCain 43%. But just keep hoping.
September 4, 2008

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4gColoNative writes:

I'll second the remark that military service doesn't give a person's political opinion more validity. Not in the United States of America. Founded on the idea of civilian rule.
September 4, 2008

10:10 a.m.

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DUPioneers writes:

Anybody who takes solace in the polls at this point does not have much experience in Presidential politics. Come on, folks, it's going to change just as rapidly as a hurricane in the Gulf!
September 4, 2008

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TruthHurts writes:

The only change the Republicans believe in is change the truth and change history. The last eight years have been Republican controlled....and I believe the RNC has it right when they say we need to change Washington and throw out those who have been governing the last eight years.......

If Palin is so ready why are the Republicans hiding her? She proved yesterday that she can play with the big boys so let's let her play and then we will see how she does. When is her first Press Conference?
September 4, 2008

10:15 a.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

Truthhurts- the last eight years? The Dems took over in 2006 though it might seem like eight since then. They have done nothing.
September 4, 2008

10:17 a.m.

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fastnloose writes:

I want Palin to run for governor in Colorado.We have a total tax until it hurts governor. This woman has moxie,something missing in our attorney,career politicians. Hillary who! She must be home laughing at Obama's choice for VP. Son your gonna wish you had those 18 million votes in your pocket.
September 4, 2008

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mytwosense writes:

MarineGrunt: "Why don't you try doing something for someone other then yourself? If I may.. what was incorrect about my statement? Why do you hate your Country? Why do you continue to stand on the backs of others while doing nothing yourself? dill...WTF, over?
You full of hot air, questioning my Service now nothing in response? Your a POS."

People, may I introduce you to the out of control, filled with rage person you and your rights are beholden to. And may I introduce you to what you can expect in the future if you question the authority of the military...you will get shouted down, accused of hating this country, and of course, from there the natural next step is to get accused and convicted of Treason.
September 4, 2008

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TruthHurts writes:

Oh Wise One.....and who was President? But you are wrong...he has done a lot..he has destroyed our economy....our standing in the world......and the morale of the American People.....and the election was in 2006....the Dems took office in 2007 but I know you guys just cannot help but distort the truth.....
September 4, 2008

10:19 a.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

hey rickybear....... even some Democrats voted with Bush more often than not. How many of them voted for the United States to go to war based off of the same information the White House had? Yep, just about every one of them. For the matter, in 2005 Obama voted FOR coporate welfare. Is that "Change"? And it's not the Republicans using the "Change" slogan, isn't that right? No need to answer, the answer is already known.
September 4, 2008

10:20 a.m.

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dilligaf writes:

Well I have accomplished my main goal for the day. I have MaineGrunts panties in a bunch. I can picture those big tears flowing from Gomers eyes as we speak. I'm out of here. Talk to you all on another post where the cons are trying to convince themselves.
September 4, 2008

10:27 a.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

rickybear, it's not the Republicans who started the attacks, was it? And the country has a right to question affiliations of 20+ years with known American terrorists and racist church pastors, like with Obama. That speaks about a person's integrity, not of whether a person has 5 children, a pregnant teenage daughter and so on. There's a difference and it's too bad you're simple-minded and don't understand.
September 4, 2008

10:27 a.m.

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Buckshot_Magee writes:

Awesome. Pounded them with slap shots from the blue line that all went top shelf. Put Obama into the boards - hard. Open ice hip checks and all. Barracuda vs Obambi is going to be fun to watch. Should have gone with Hillary...
September 4, 2008

10:30 a.m.

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RockyMtnMac writes:

Davies
Underlaying/Underlying depends on which side of the issue you're on doesn't it? LOL
September 4, 2008

10:33 a.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

Another thing rickybear, the Democrats have the majority and can vote for or against a bill as the majority. Wasn't it Pelosi that blocked discussion on opening areas that are currently off-limits for drilling? They've had control of Congress and the Senate, of writing and sending bills to Bush for approval or veto, and in the nearly two years they've controlled legislation, prices at the pump not only went over $3.00 a gallon, but over $4.00 a gallon. They also have the mortage crisis on their hands in the time they've controlled legislation.
September 4, 2008

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Barron writes:

She was a ridiculous liar, called herself "gal" and didn't change anyone's mind - the only people who support her are the ones who did anyway. If they say otherwise they are liars, like her. She lied about the bridge to nowhere, she lied about Obama's tax plan, McCain and Huckabee both exaggerated her credentials, these people are just plain RIDICULOUS. Anyone who doesn't bother checking the facts is just DETERMINED to be ignorant - reminds me of the famous sculpture of the three monkeys with their paws over their eyes, ears and mouth. No one wants to hear it. And I was especially impressed with the crowd - I counted on one hand the faces of the people under 50. LOL!
September 4, 2008

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TruthHurts writes:

CWillyrun.... funny....I remember an Ad pointing to Celebrity with Paris Hilton...and John McCain suggested it was all in good fun.....

And the Republicans are not running on the slogan of Change? McCain has tried to kidnap that theme and tell people he is the original Maverick.

And if we are talking about religious affiliations how many here belong to the Churches where hundreds of Priests were forced to step down for sexual indiscretions? We accepted then and should accept now that congregations are not responsible for the actions of their religious leaders. And Obama, as did the congregations in question, held their leaders accountable.
September 4, 2008

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MacInDenver writes:

Palin seems to have some confusion with the facts:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/0...

http://www.samefacts.com/archives/cam...
September 4, 2008

10:39 a.m.

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Barron writes:

Reputable republicans can't stand her, this is what I hear from my sister in Washington. Witness Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy, who said she was "gimmicky" and political BS. They know what they're talking about, these aren't cheerleading kids. People face it. She's the wrong choice! I tell you, I will be stunned if she makes it to November 4. In the next week or so she will pull her name. I don't know why it's so hard for people to admit that their boy made the wrong choice! If I were voting for McCain I would be livid and calling his office continuously.
September 4, 2008

10:40 a.m.

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denverone writes:

Palin has bigger balls than Obama, or ANY Democrat for that matter. Amazing isn't it?

It saddens me that Democrats are now an entire party of weak amoral people looking for handouts and free social services. If you people want to pay higher taxes by all means go right ahead! Oh, that's right, most of you don't even make enough to fall in a PAYING tax bracket. No wonder raising taxes for the top 5% of this country that actually employs you idiots is not a problem for you.

"Rescue Me, Rescue Me, I was too lazy to attend class and listen in school, government please rescue me!"

In God We Trust, before it's to late!
September 4, 2008

10:42 a.m.

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TruthHurts writes:

CWilly....

You do distort history as well as you do the truth.....

As I said, Dems in control since 2007....not two years thank you... and mortgage legislation.....the name Phil Gramm ring a bell?

And I know the truth is inconvenient but the price of oil and gas has more to do at this point with value of the dollar. The Iraq war has a lot do to with valuation. But I am sure you will try and argue that the war started in 2007 after the Dems got the Majority.
September 4, 2008

10:43 a.m.

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MacInDenver writes:

Palin seems somewhat confused with the facts:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/0...

http://www.samefacts.com/archives/cam...
September 4, 2008

10:43 a.m.

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psu96 writes:

Marine grunt is just a troll with no military experience. Wait now for the attacks, name-calling ....wait...wait....
September 4, 2008

10:55 a.m.

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mytwosense writes:

denverone: "No wonder raising taxes for the top 5% of this country that actually employs you idiots is not a problem for you."

Again, another example of rightwing extremist worship of power. Now denverone tells us that 95% of this country is employed by 5% (any proof to back that claim up??), and we should properly show our allegiance to this 5% Deity by letting it keep its tax cut.

I wonder if denverone knows that the 5% Deity owns a whopping third of this country's wealth.

Apparently, that is still not enough according to denverone and his fellow extremists. We must give the 5% Deity even more.

THESE PEOPLE ARE LUNATICS.
September 4, 2008

10:55 a.m.

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jay writes:

unfortunately, palin brings nothing more to the table than a galvanizing force for the far religious right extremists and an attack dog mentality that has already permeated a party unable to run on their own track record and policy stances.

if they are going to be competitive this fall, they need to do something to appeal to the swing voters who clearly fall within the nearly 8 out of 10 americans who wish to see bush's policies discontinued. so far, the republicans have given no indication that they are willing to deviate from the overwhelmingly unpopular path taken over the last 8 years.
September 4, 2008

10:58 a.m.

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temurlan writes:

Buckshot wrote: "Should have gone with Hillary..."

And he is absolutely right. After the way BO and the DNC treated her, she has got to be laughing right now and be looking forward to 2012.

When BO comes crawling back to her to replace Biden, she will tell him to go to...

Love to be a fly on the wall during that meeting.
September 4, 2008

10:59 a.m.

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JYP3500 writes:

In an election cycle where the Democrats should have been able to run a Labrador Retriever and win, they have managed to botch it up. Let the hand-wringing begin.

I think Dennis Miller pretty much summed it up. Barack needs to grow a set of snickers and show that he can lead, because right now he looks like a Harvard educated wimp, who was just upstaged by a VP candidate.
September 4, 2008

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KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

I'd like for the NeoCons to please google Peggy Noonan's remarks about Sarah Palin! Classic! Funny and TRUE. And for those Faux NeoCons who don't know, Peggy Noonan is a Republican best known for authoring historic speeches under the Ronald Reagan days, most notable the Challenger Explosion address.

And fellow Democrats and even those undecided please google too.
September 4, 2008

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mom49 writes:

Ms. Palin was awesome last night. She has guts, confidence and family values. Yes, I want a change in the government. I want the liberal/Democrats out of Congress so the Republican President can actually do something. I want less government, I want lower taxes and drill baby drill for lower gas prices. I do not want to be dependent on foreign countries. God blessed this country and I want to keep it that way.
September 4, 2008

11:04 a.m.

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Barron writes:

tard, your tired, stupid rhetoric about Obama hating white people is just, well, stupid and tired. Obama is half white, remember? Of course, people like you don't accept that, you are still following the "1/8 rule," the "one drop rule." one drop of black blood makes you black, to people like you. If I can see a trace of it, by golly, you're black. You and your tired ilk can never, ever prove Obama hates whites, but you just keep saying it, as if if you say it enough it becomes the truth. Well it doesn't, and it's a stupid lie. He wouldn't be in the position he is in if he hates white people - it was white people who got him there, there aren't enough black people in this country to pull an election. Get over it! Get some therapy or whatever you need to get behond the fact that this is happening.
September 4, 2008

11:07 a.m.

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TruthHurts writes:

Mom,

The Republicans had control of the White House and the Congress from 2001 until 2007. They did a horrible job.

As for taxes, an independent tax think tank said Obama's tax plan will result in 5% savings in your tax bill by 2012 and McCain's will result in 3%. Don't let truth stand in the way of your Republican leanings.

And the oil policy of this country over the last 8 years......Bush and Cheney. Not a liberal Democrat among them. Don't you just hate the truth?
September 4, 2008

11:08 a.m.

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O_TRAIN writes:

Her lipstick comment was funny - but she (and the other partisan buffoons) don't seem to see the irony - she is the "lipstick" on this Republican Party Pig. Pandering at the most basic level & no, I'm not impressed with the Dems either. Hopefully we can get back to the issues and not be distracted with offending voters and turning this into a beauty/popularity contest.

If we were electing the leadership of the Youth Hockey League - then being a "Hockey Mom" would be impressive, but to lead the greatest nation on earth? - not so much.

It's also interesting that both parties want their kids "off-limits" - that is unless they provide a priceless-photographic moments at the conventions.
September 4, 2008

11:11 a.m.

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rpmcmurphy writes:

I like the ticket of Ron Paul/Sarah Palin for 2008.
September 4, 2008

11:13 a.m.

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Confusedone writes:

Someone please correct me. Was Sarah Palin involved with Alaska's attempt to suceed from the union? Or is that just liberal propaganda?
September 4, 2008

11:14 a.m.

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KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

denverone writes:

Palin has bigger balls than Obama, or ANY Democrat for that matter. Amazing isn't it?

It saddens me that Democrats are now an entire party of weak amoral people looking for handouts and free social services. If you people want to pay higher taxes by all means go right ahead! Oh, that's right, most of you don't even make enough to fall in a PAYING tax bracket. No wonder raising taxes for the top 5% of this country that actually employs you idiots is not a problem for you.

"Rescue Me, Rescue Me, I was too lazy to attend class and listen in school, government please rescue me!"

In God We Trust, before it's to late!

Yeah, because your in the top 5% right? What saddens me is that Republicans fail to remember that they were too once Democrats who seperated from the party as lower income individuals who primarily believed abolishing slavery in the 1850's. Now they look down upon the lower class and spat in their face with the nasty comments about welfare and handouts.
September 4, 2008

11:14 a.m.

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me2 writes:

666, you may be the only one who noticed that all the attacks are non existant and made up by the right. Thank you for having such a clear mind.
September 4, 2008

11:18 a.m.

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denverone writes:

In case any of you missed this from a prior post, heres an IQ test for Obama supporters. If you can't glean from this video what an empty suit your candidate is, then none of us can help you.

God Help America!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVP...
September 4, 2008

11:19 a.m.

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PriusGuy writes:

Enough of the media bias in favor of Palin. Maybe she gave a good speech and won over some conservatives, but lets focus on what she is: an inexperienced, right-wing extremist nut.
September 4, 2008

11:20 a.m.

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COLibertarian writes:

Who the hell is proud of the polls? 5% 6% 8%?????? From the little I know about Presidential Politics, isnt there supposed to be a double-digit bump directly after a Convention for there to be a chance?

If Obama or McCain had decided to bring Hillary on board, they would have had my vote. That would have been a true change for either. As it stands it is same-ol-same-ol for politics.
September 4, 2008

11:20 a.m.

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Cowboy63 writes:

The best part is just sitting back this morning and listening to the chorus of liberals howling in agony. All those personal attacks on her and her family are backfiring BIG TIME!

You want "change"? Move to Pakistan. Sarah Palin just reminded us that things are pretty good here in the USA. The future of America is looking good (and Obama isn't in it)!

McCain/Palin 2008
Palin/Jindol 2012 (and 2016)
September 4, 2008

11:25 a.m.

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Chatty writes:

Was I watching the RNC or SNL? I heard jokes, sarcasm, subliminal fear (oh, that's the route they are going to take again????) and lots of punches being thrown by someone who can't keep her facts straight. I won't be watching tonight!
September 4, 2008

11:29 a.m.

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Cowboy63 writes:

I didn't think it was humanly possible to make Biden look like MORE of a "tired, entrenched, beltway insider" than he already is... MAN, WAS I WRONG!

McCain/Palin 2008
Palin/Jindol 2012/2016
September 4, 2008

11:31 a.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

rickybear, that's right. Since you have NO proof the White House "created" the reasons, backpedal! They had information that they shared with Congress and the Senate, and Obama says he was against it..... but he didn't even have a vote, since he wasn't a Senator, so it's hard to say whether he was for or against it. Do I have proof Democrats voted for bills that Bush approved....... I don't need to. Just look it up. I'd like to but I don't have time to sit around working hard to educate you.

Was I against the war? In a way, yes, and also no. I don't want the United States to be the world police, so for that, no. But I also know Saddam Hussein killed over a million of his own people, tortured thousands with acid baths to make family members comply with the government, and his ideal government structure was based off of the Third Reich of the Nazi's. Those are all well documented, so I don't need to provide you proof....... and to educate you on yet another thing. Hussein invaded Kuwait, ignored 16 UN resolutions that called for military action if they were ignored. Think of it like this..... if you have a child, and your child keeps slapping other kids around and you tell him there are consequences, are there really any if you never do anything but sit on your hands? I didn't think so. Hussein has had weapons of mass destruction in his hands in the past....... think chemical weapons used on the Kurds. So was it possible there were more? Yes. He was also destabilizing the middle east, and it's already unstable enough. There were also terrorist camps in his country. So for those reasons, I think it was alright to, although I wish other countries that voted on the UN restrictions had some spines to join in and force Iraq, under Hussein, to comply with the restrictions. Hindsight is perfect though, isn't it??

If you want proof on Obama voting for corporate welfare, feel free to look up his voting record. It was in 2005...... also well known, although at the moment I don't have the House Bill number in front of me.

About your last sentence.......... AGAIN, it's NOT the Republicans using the "Change" slogan. Why do you think differently? I think you need to quit breathing the fumes coming out of Obama's a$$!
September 4, 2008

11:32 a.m.

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mytwosense writes:

Confusedone writes: "Someone please correct me. Was Sarah Palin involved with Alaska's attempt to suceed from the union? Or is that just liberal propaganda?"

Her husband Todd Palin was a registered party member of the Alaska Independence Party from 1995 to 2002. As you may know, this group wants Alaska to secede from America.

A quote from AIP founder Joe Vogler: "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. ... And I won't be buried under their damn flag."

Sarah Palin denies that she herself has ever been a member, but she's gone to several of their conventions and in fact, addressed two of them - in 2006 and 2008.
September 4, 2008

11:32 a.m.

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COLibertarian writes:

Rick,

Agree with your comments about being different. Would you not agree that we will have a bit better picture after both conventions are over and things settle just a bit?

It looks to me those bragging on the poles are the same people cheering at a 8pt lead midway through 2nd quarter of a NBA game. Last 2 minutes of game is where it counts.

Would bet that if Obama had picked Hillary, that lead would be just a tad bit higher :-)
September 4, 2008

11:34 a.m.

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TruthHurts writes:

Cowboy....you might want to take a look at how old McCain looks these days......
September 4, 2008

11:35 a.m.

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Barron writes:

"Actually Barry is only 6% black but choses to call himself African American. Remember it was your party that was claiming that the messiah wasnt black enough to represent..."

Obama has a black parent and one white, that makes him 50/50. Democrats never claimed him as a Messiah or that he wasn't black enough, it was a fringe group. Of course, if you don't take the time to think and want to stretch the truth, you say Democrats did it.

"However lets not forget his spiritual leader for 20 years.. Let that soak in 20 years. Who Barry sent his two daughters to for spiritual guidance. Who Barry and his hateful wife spent most of their adult lifes listening too and acknowledging his words."

Rev. Wright is a respected pastor who had one sermon picked apart by loonies looking for a reason to criticize Obama (not sure who Barry is?), and succeeded to the fringe right, forcing Obama to separate himself from his pastor. Take the time to research Sarah Palin's church, and you will find a lunatic pastor who believe we are fighting the "war" in Iraq because it is task from God, and questioned parishioner's salvation based on who they vote for. Sounds like a credible "pastor" to me.

I agree with you. You cannot deny the truth.
September 4, 2008

11:37 a.m.

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jvb writes:

McCain uses his career to further change says the blogger. What’s McCain’s career? He starts out by graduating 5th from the bottom at the Naval Academy and becomes a pilot whose horse play causes the death of 134 sailors aboard ship. He drops bombs on babies in Vietnam and is captured. What would you do to someone who dropped bombs on your baby? He seeks amnesty for millions of illegal aliens just like Reagan so they can bring their relatives over. He dumps his wife to marry a beautiful woman worth one hundred million dollars. I do not know about you, but I would do the same. PS: McCain enjoyed dropping bomb he knew mass killed. He enjoyed it so much that after his conduct caused the death of 134 sailors and fifty million dollars in damage, he sought to further his career in killing babies by transferring to another aircraft carrier. It is criminal what McCain did in Vietnam with the GOP calling him a "hero."
September 4, 2008

11:38 a.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

truthhurts........ the ad with Paris Hilton wasn't attacking Obama's family, just making fun of someone popular with no substance whatsoever. Paris Hilton and Obama share that with each other, get it?

AGAIN, the Republicans aren't claiming the slogan of "Change", are they? The Democrats are, and change for the sake of change isn't good enough when it'll lead to the country being flushed down the toilet.

Question about the priests and all that...... were those priests you talk about with their indescretions doing all of it in front of their congregation? I didn't think so. Were they talking about how it's okay in front of their congregations? Nope to that as well. Was Obama's pastors talking racism to their congregations? Yes. Did Obama shun them for it before it became news? No, he still went to the church, so he accepted it.

Don't make it so easy, dude.
September 4, 2008

11:38 a.m.

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Barron writes:

cowboy writes: "The best part is just sitting back this morning and listening to the chorus of liberals howling in agony. All those personal attacks on her and her family are backfiring BIG TIME!"

No honey, the howls of agony you think you hear are really snorts of derisive laughter, side-splitting laughter, at this buffoon the republicans are trying to foist on their party.
September 4, 2008

11:40 a.m.

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Chatty writes:

I've been both a hockey mom and a soccer mom. I can confirm with great conviction that soccer moms scare the $chit out of me WAY more than hockey moms !
September 4, 2008

11:42 a.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

ricky.......... try, try to understand the difference in what a person's integrity is as opposed to something with their personal life. If Palin's daughter gets pregnant, who the F*** cares? That has nothing to do with her job in government. But if someone appeals to racist messages, like Obama, this country doesn't need a racist for President. I wish you knew what the difference is, but to you, apples and oranges are the same.
September 4, 2008

11:46 a.m.

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KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

FREAKEN HILARIOUS!

Two GOP icons - former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan and former McCain strategist Mike Murphy - were caught trashing vice-presidential pick Sarah Palin yesterday when they kept talking after they thought the audio was off during an interview on NBC, and a YouTube version of their off-off-message exchange rocketed around the Internet at light speed.

Noonan, who had praised Palin in a Wall Street Journal column in the morning, said, "It's over," and added, "Most qualified? No. I think they went for this, excuse me, political bull -- about narratives ... Every time Republicans do this, because that's not where they live, and that's not what they're good at, they blow it."

After the NBC comments surfaced, Noonan updated her Journal column online, lamenting that she had been "mugged by the nature of modern media" and apologizing for her rough language. She said that her statement that "It's over" was out of context, and was not a conclusion about the likely outcome of the McCain-Obama race, and her true feelings toward Palin were favorable.
September 4, 2008

11:48 a.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

truthhurts, try reading a post instead of skimming. I said "almost 2 years" (1 year and 8 months), right? Okay, now that the fog in your brain has been lifted on that one, let's knock the other one down. It doesn't matter what other reasons may cause an issue, but with you Democrats, it's Bush's fault with Iraq. Using your logic, I'm saying it's the fault of Democrats for oil going up over $3.00 a gallon, and then $4.00 a gallon, and the mortgage crisis, since the Democrats have controlled legislation "for almost 2 years"! See how that works?
September 4, 2008

11:49 a.m.

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TruthHurts writes:

CWilly,

When did Obama attack family? I remember when the press attacked Michelle Obama Mr. McCain was deadly silent. Obama did not sit quietly when the press attacked Palin.

You might want to actually watch the Republican Convention...all they are talking is about is they are the "real" party of change..... ah but again...don't let the truth get in your way.... John McCain ... the original Maverick....ring a bell...? The "real" candidate of change......

Do you know for a fact which sermons Obama saw and which ones he didn't? Oh damn.....that stupid truth thing again...

You never answered the post about the Dems getting majority in 2007 instead of 2006 as you claimed....

You were for the War but you were Against it.... you are more like John McCain than even Palin is....and you probably have better credentials.....

I will give you this....you are really good at never discussing issues....just more smear and fear attacks.....
September 4, 2008

11:51 a.m.

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MEG writes:

I enjoyed her speech and was impressed by her. However, I just don't feel she is qualified to take over as President should the need arise. That, more than anything, makes me hesitant to support this ticket. I'm trying to look past the personalities.
September 4, 2008

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Barron writes:

truthhurts: "When did Obama attack family? I remember when the press attacked Michelle Obama Mr. McCain was deadly silent. Obama did not sit quietly when the press attacked Palin."

You've got that right. Perfect illustration of the difference between a man and a punk, isn't it? Obama came right out and said leave the family out of it.
September 4, 2008

11:52 a.m.

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TruthHurts writes:

CWilly....

What was the price of gas when Bush and Republican took TOTAL control of White House and legislature?

And what did they accomplish in the 6 years they had TOTAL control.....see how that works?
September 4, 2008

11:54 a.m.

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Chatty writes:

Truthhurts: Smear and Fear - I love it !!
September 4, 2008

11:54 a.m.

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bushmaster writes:

well dems....it's OVER....again! you shouldn't even be a party. Oh, I guess we will have stole the election or the voting machines weren't working correctly or we were refusing to let people vote blah blah blah
September 4, 2008

11:56 a.m.

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KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

NICE Apology Peggy! "It was taken out of context...I didn't mean to get caught...McCain and Palin are OVER! Let's move on."

Noonan aplogizes for Palin remarks -- sort of
Conservative columnist Peggy Noonan had some 'splaining to do last night. On Wednesday, she -- along with MSNBC's Chuck Todd and prominent GOP strategist Mike Murphy -- was caught on a live mike calling the selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as John McCain's running mate "political b/s," something at odds with the tone of the column she'd just published. So now she has explained herself. And apologized. Well, to a certain extent, at least.

"Well, I just got mugged by the nature of modern media, and I wish it weren't my fault, but it is," Noonan says in a new introduction appended to the online version of her column from Wednesday. She continues:

In our off-air conversation, I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming, now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true ... And when I said, "It's over!" -- and I said it more than once -- that is what I was referring to ...

However, I did say two things that I haven't said in public, either in speaking or in my writing. One is a vulgar epithet that I wish I could blame on the mood of the moment but cannot ... But, bottom line, I am certainly sorry I blurted my barnyard ephithet, I am certainly sorry that someone abused my meaning in the use of the words, "It's over," and I'm sorry I didn't have the Kay Bailey Hutchison thought before this morning, because I could have written of it. There. Now: onto today's column.
September 4, 2008

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dilligaf writes:

Just read a story that a White House speech writer wrote her speech for her. What she can't speak for herself?
September 4, 2008

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IRUNMAN writes:

The RNC is a circus.

This is great.

Keep "shootin' yer'selves in der foot..."

OBAMA/BIDEN 2008
September 4, 2008

12:02 p.m.

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COLibertarian writes:

Rick,

Agreed that America is as divided as ever. Polls(spelled it right this time), media, and politicians are loving this divide. Great for ratings and $$$$$$$ and the politicians dont have to do anything good.........just not do anything as bad as the competition!!!!!
September 4, 2008

12:03 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

Obama: "Change America Can Believe In"

That's his official campaign slogan. You guys want to be believed yet you don't even know what your idol's campaign slogan is.
September 4, 2008

12:05 p.m.

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TruthHurts writes:

CWilly

What is the McCain slogan this week?
September 4, 2008

12:10 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

Actually, truthhurts, it was McCain who was the first candidate that said family members should be off-limits to attacks by the media.

About the sermons, Obama was a church member for 20 years........ and you don't think the pastors ever mentioned anything racist in front of him to the congregation? You're naive. For that matter, when it was first brought up with Obama, he didn't condemn it until he saw the negative reaction by potential voters. Then he condemned it. You also have no proof Obama never heard it in any sermon he attended.

I think I already covered the Democrats being in control for nearly two years by saying it's 1 year and 8 months. When in 2007 did they take control? January, 2007. That makes it 1 year and 8 months. Know math?

"Smear and fear attacks" sounds like one of your visits to the bathroom. hahaha
September 4, 2008

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TruthHurts writes:

The person who is the happiest with the Palin selection?

Tina Fey......
September 4, 2008

12:13 p.m.

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TruthHurts writes:

CWilly,

Thank you... I knew it was only a matter of time before you got into the personal attacks...just like any good Republican....

Come on ... tell the truth.... you are really Karl Rove aren't you?
September 4, 2008

12:15 p.m.

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Cowboy63 writes:

If Obama is walking a little funny today, it's becuse Sarah Palin cut herself a new set of "ear bobs" last night.

I haven't heard this much liberal squealing since the last time I watched "Deliverance"!
September 4, 2008

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me2 writes:

If she addressed two conventions of that group to leave the union, I want some proof. Videos must be available. What did she say in those addresses?

Also who writes the headlines for letters? "McCain enforcer" is good, but enforcer of what? Do the Republicans see her in tights and cape, swooping down on evil doers?

Do they expect her, all by herself to return prayer to the public schools, to close down Planned Parenthood clinics, to shut down condom factories? Just what does a self proclaimed pit bull vice president get to enforce?
September 4, 2008

12:17 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

Truthhurts.......... personal attacks? I could call you an uninformed idiot and cut you down for your personal life, and call out your family and friends, and that would be a personal attack. I can make fun of you with smear and fear, and it's a joke. Are you a sensitive little lib today or what?

I'm Karl Rove only as long as you're Al Gore and Billy Carter's love child. (Billy Carter: Jimmy's beer guzzling brother)
September 4, 2008

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Barron writes:

Willie: "About the sermons, Obama was a church member for 20 years........ and you don't think the pastors ever mentioned anything racist in front of him to the congregation? You're naive. For that matter, when it was first brought up with Obama, he didn't condemn it until he saw the negative reaction by potential voters. Then he condemned it. You also have no proof Obama never heard it in any sermon he attended."

He. didn't. condemn. it. because. he wasn't. there. Get it?
September 4, 2008

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jugdish writes:

Debate or donnybrook. When the hockey mom and Papa Joe Biden throw down, my money is with McCain's "enforcer". She's so hooked into the domestic, economic and energy issues this country needs to tackle that Biden is going to be exposed as the high tax favoring Washington insider that he is. And if Papa J tries to high stick, slash or hook her during the debate, he's going to look like an insensitive brute. Palin's very likable, and that's a big problem for Papa J. He was probably counting on mauling a male christian conservative in the debates. This is about to get interesting.
September 4, 2008

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TruthHurts writes:

CWilly,

By the way....the inconvenient truth again.....the mortgage legislation....written before 2007 .... the loans needed at least a year to mature before the crisis could begin.... oops......

And again....the price of gas when Bush and Republicans took control? Do I remember under $2?

Damn that history.......
September 4, 2008

12:21 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

Barron, Obama was told by the media they had proof of the racist sermons, and Obama didn't condemn it until later on when the media said there was a backlash against it. Do you know for sure he never attended a sermon in the 20 years he was a member of the church? You say he wasn't there, but the facts show otherwise. Get it?
September 4, 2008

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Barron writes:

jugdish, gimme' your money now. Palin is so out of Biden's league it's almost embarrasing.
September 4, 2008

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TruthHurts writes:

CWilly,

You are hysterical......

Thanks for the laughs.....
September 4, 2008

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fastnloose writes:

After reading all of these post I don't know which side to go for.Oh I'll just vote PRESENT! Obama made a career of doing that.
September 4, 2008

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TruthHurts writes:

CWilly,

Actually the facts show that Obama was in Miami the day the sound bite sermon was given.... don't you just hate facts?
September 4, 2008

12:24 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

Truthhurts, the way Democrats' thinking goes, it has to be the Democrats fault because they controlled legislation at the time. Isn't that the reasons we're given by libs for any problem that occurred during Bush's tenure?

Also, I can remember a point during Bush and Cheney's term where gas was under a $1.00 for a short time.
September 4, 2008

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parnik writes:

I still didn't see Cwilly say what the replubicans slogan was this week...........
September 4, 2008

12:26 p.m.

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TruthHurts writes:

Fast...

Actually he voted Pass.... which in the Illinois legislature is a way to forward legislation to the next level of execution...

Leave it to the Republicans to "play" with the truth......
September 4, 2008

12:26 p.m.

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mom49 writes:

Hey Truth Hurts:

By the way get your facts straight. The speaker of the house is a democrat and dems have had control since January 4, 2006 of the legislation. So here is one for you. Socialism never works ask England. Their economy has not grown and the US has. Obama stands for socialism which is more government control. So I guess the republicans have not done so bad after all.
September 4, 2008

12:27 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

Truthhurts, that's one sermon out of how many? I'm sure that's one fact you want to ignore.

Anyway, gotta' go. See ya'.
September 4, 2008

12:28 p.m.

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parnik writes:

PRO-CHANGE-
ANTI BUSH/CHENEY
ANTI ROUND 2 MCCAIN/PALIN

BE SMART AMERICA!
OBAMA/BIDEN '08
September 4, 2008

12:28 p.m.

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TruthHurts writes:

CWilly,

The Dems did not control legislation prior to 2007... so I have no idea what your point was.....
September 4, 2008

12:29 p.m.

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leatherneck writes:

TruthHurts: I love it, Your making all Libs look like idiots. That was the typical Liberal comment, you have no clue about even simple economics. But of course, its all Bush's fault. He is King right? Hu? I wasn't aware that we had a dictatorship in the US.
September 4, 2008

12:30 p.m.

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Barron writes:

cwillyrun1, it's all relative as to whether or not the sermon mentioned was even racist. Would you deny what has been done to black people in America? probably.Now, take a look at the Alaska independence party palin's husband was a member of and whose conventions she went to. Their founder said, "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government." Todd Palin was a member and is now undeclared. Why does Todd Palin hate America? Why the double standard?
September 4, 2008

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dilligaf writes:

rick_e_bear
The speech was written by Matthew Scully a Bush speech writer. She just did a good job reading what they wanted her to say without looking down.
By the way Obama wrote his own speech last Thursday night.
September 4, 2008

12:34 p.m.

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Barron writes:

Why the double standard? Why is Sarah palin married to a man who hates America?
September 4, 2008

12:34 p.m.

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TruthHurts writes:

Mom,

Did you mean to say 2007? It might make a wee bit of difference.....

Socialism....? How long before you start using the Communism scare.... ? Equal pay for equal work....what a socialist concept?
Affordable health care for all.... damn proletariat. Tax breaks for the middle class and not for greedy CEO's and oil conglomerates.....when will the pain stop?

Lets discuss issues and not Republican smear and fear talking points.......
September 4, 2008

12:36 p.m.

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jay writes:

i think it's great that mccain/palin are going to embrace the fact that they represent a third, possibly even more religiously extremist, bush term.

it would be refreshing if they are honest that they'll continue down the same back bush has taken the country...instead of just attacking obama.

considering The Track Record, i just don't think we'll see that happening.

in this age of near instant information gathering and sharing, however, i think that they're going to have a tough time if they continue to give speeches with blatant inaccuracies sprinkled throughout.

of course, they say sheep will eat anything, right cwilly?
September 4, 2008

12:38 p.m.

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me2 writes:

Remember folks, Jesus was only a "community organizer" while Pontius Pilate was the governor.
September 4, 2008

12:39 p.m.

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TruthHurts writes:

Leatherneck,

Thank you for name calling ... makes you sound very knowledgeable...

And if you had actually read the posts it was a Republican President and Republican Congress that dictated tax policy, the budget and simple economics as you say. I could debate advanced economics with you all day but you have already labeled me an idiot so it must be so....... talk about being King.....I bow in your presence
September 4, 2008

12:40 p.m.

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richardboyd writes:

Well they say "politics is a contact sport". Last night Sarah Palin hip-checked Obama into the boards, pulled his jersey over his head, and starting thumpin' him good. I mean that was amazing. She made it look easy, and it looked like she was lovin' it! Man, I feel sorry for Joe Biden having to debate her. She is going to serve him his own guts on a plate.
September 4, 2008

12:42 p.m.

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mom49 writes:

Hey truth hurts:

I need to correct myself. It was January 4, 2007 when the dems took control of legislation.
September 4, 2008

12:43 p.m.

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COLibertarian writes:

The speech writer is Matthew Scully.

DILLIGAF my friend take a book from President Clinton.......... Definition of "IS". Should have been "WAS" He is not a Whitehouse speechwriter. He was a Whitehouse speechwriter

She had a teleprompter at eye level. She had no reason to look down.

Almost ALL candidates have help with their speeches. In fact I would bet that both candidates have a gaggle of speech writers at hand, even if just to review. Meetings are attended to go over every word and every inflection.

Context Context Context..........sheesh
September 4, 2008

12:46 p.m.

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Barron writes:

Tard - touche, I'm intelligent enough to admit when someone else has a point. Biden did,in this Time article, question whether Obama was black enough. At the same time, I hardly think he was questioning his actual skin color, but more likely his attitude. It just shores up my point that Obama is bi-racial and as such relates to all people.

I did research Wright. I listened to several of his sermons and a couple of them brought me to tears. I would respectfully suggest that you do your own research, with an open mind. Your paraphrasing of Wright's sermons is a clear indication that you didn't, but are just spouting off what you heard on drug-addict oxy-limbaugh or some other right wing lunatic.
September 4, 2008

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TruthHurts writes:

Mom,

Thank you.

I wish your Republican partners had the same style and class as you to admit when an error has been made.
September 4, 2008

12:49 p.m.

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Barron writes:

Did I hear someone mention squealing like a pig earlier? Kind of like Abrahamoff is doing right now to avoid prison. Don't worry republicans, he's going to squeal on everyone.
September 4, 2008

12:51 p.m.

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soccermom writes:

McCain said that Sarah Palins is just what he needs. Yes, if you need a pit bull to attack Democrats to win an election. What the country could use would be a VP pick such as Condoleeza Rice who is certainly qualified and has demonstrated diplomatic skills. Will Sarah take her hockey stick to Georgia or Iran and put someone into the boards there? The Democrats aren't the only ones who should be scared of this pick, everyone in America should be a little nervous right now. McCain has shown that he will make random decisions without doing the groundwork. These two will make lots of changes, whether or not it is good for the country is a whole other matter. Would love to debate this for hours but can't.
September 4, 2008

12:52 p.m.

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leatherneck writes:

TruthHurts: My point was, Liberals like yourself, seem to make it a habit to blame everything, even inflation, on the current president and Republicans. I am sure you know this, but incase you don't, currently the Democrats have the majority in Congress, and it's been that way since 06. So please, place the blame where it should go.
September 4, 2008

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jay writes:

leatherneck, please don't try to shift the blame for the last 8 years' failures to the dems.

if you don't know enough about economics to understand how the republicans devalued the dollar, maybe you should stick to listening to rush and let the big boys talk.
September 4, 2008

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TruthHurts writes:

Leatherneck,

Don't let facts get in your way...Dems won elections in Nov of 2006....took office in 2007...and tax policy does not really take effect for 5 years..... but again....don't let facts get in your way...

And if you had done your research you would know I am a registered independent who actually voted for Bush first time...

I know when I make a mistake.....do you?
September 4, 2008

1:03 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

BigD, Clinton was sucessful because he followed a great president who put our nation on the right course. Democrats even cross the aisle for Reagan. From busting the Soviet Union, to his handling of the economy. It takes years for the cummlative effects of a president actions in office to bear fruit. The same would happen with Mr. Obama as well as Mc Cain. If they put this nation on the right path, it'll be a few years at least before you'll see results. We'll be paying for Bush's economic mistakes well into the next presidency as well. No president, Mc Cain, Obama, Hillary, whoever you like, can effect change quickly, it takes years. Clinton was very fortunate to follow Ronald Reagan, just like Bush Sr. did. America won't wait for results, they want change now. Will the changes be good or not? You'll need years before the changes can be acurately accounted for.
September 4, 2008

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Cowboy63 writes:

Palin came to the ticket to hunt Caribou and give liberals nightmares.... looks like she's all out of Caribou.

7 hours to go before McCain puts the hammer down on Obama/Biden, but good!

It's days like this you just wake up overflowing with pride to be an American!

((uh. sorry Michelle... didn't know you were reading.))
September 4, 2008

1:12 p.m.

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jay writes:

"I am fully onboard with Sen McCain and Gov Palin. These two have the best chance to bring change to Washington."

tard, you keep saying that mccain will bring "real change" to washington, but can't point to one major policy stance of his that differs strategically from bush's.

why is that, tard?

"Clinton was sucessful because he followed a great president who put our nation on the right course. "

how is leaving clinton with a huge amount of new debt and a recession the "right course", louie?
September 4, 2008

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leatherneck writes:

TruthHurts: Your absolutely right, they took over in 06 and got in 07. I wonder why Congressional approval rating is almost at a record low? Hu?
September 4, 2008

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enginerd writes:

Sarah Palin gave a great speech and is a big improvement to the Republican ticket, but it is still headed by the author of McCain-Feingold. I don't see how the author of that unconstitutional infringement of the first amendment is qualified to support and defend the Constitution.

Whichever party wins the presidency this term will have a Democrat-controlled Congress and will get blamed for all the crap that comes down in the next four years. Then the other party will take over the White House with promises to fix everything according to their own vision that will inevitably involve more government interference in the market and our lives.

We are not going to get real change if keep electing Republicrats and Demagogues who erode our liberties and sap the economy with an ever-growing government burden. For real change, we need to vote against the status quo and reject both major parties. The Libertarian Party offers a vision of reduced government and more personal freedom. If everyone who supports those ideals would vote accordingly, instead of settling for the less obnoxious of the major parties, then we could begin to make progress toward real change.
September 4, 2008

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dilligaf writes:

COLibertarian
First of all there is a difference between help and doing it. Obama writes his own speeches. And for a ticket that tries to separate themselves from Bush then use his FORMER speech writer, doesn't send a very good message. While we're at it can someone tell me why they need to separate from Bush? We have been hearing from all the Republicans what a bang up job he has done. And the main reason Bush's approval rating is so low is because of the war in Iraq. Well guess who agrees with his policy on the war? You got it!!!!! McSame Can't run from that one Johnny!!!!!
September 4, 2008

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TruthHurts writes:

Because there are still a few Republicans left in the congress...?

As you said earlier.... everyone blames the current group.... I agree with you... the blame is squarely on a few years back.... takes time to catch up....

And the fact that the worst Vice President in our history is leading this congress has a lot to do with it......
September 4, 2008

1:24 p.m.

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DenverDan writes:

The last time I heard a gal talk that much smack and back it up with nothing, I divorced her. Prom queen with no answers.
The only rocks the Republicans have is a MILF. We the middle class cant afford to put our kids in Hockey. I am happy glad the white rich Cherry Creek wives are happy.
September 4, 2008

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dilligaf writes:

COLibertarian
Also you and I have debated before and mostly a good friendly debate. But what confuses me is you call yourself a Libertarian but you defend everything someone says about the Republicans. I think you really are one. Go ahead admit it.
September 4, 2008

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LOUIE writes:

Shaggy, even as an independent voter, I agree the democrats are quite scared of Ms. Palin. Other than Bill Clinton, hers was the best convention speech yet, to include Mr. Obama. The woman's speech put them on notice. Look at the rabid foam they are spewing, only a few are objective in thier opinion. Now they are shooting every cannon they got every which way they can; it a sure sign the woman was sucessful. I don't think Mc Cain will be worth a damn, he's not very good with speeches; be more like Biden. I wish Katie Couric would have shown more clips of Bidens past speaking problems, that man has some real screw ups in his past. Some are even quite racial like the one Katie showed concerning 7-11 employees. I enjoyed the ones Katie did show, there is a reason his own party won't elect him or put him past the first round in the primaries. Even his own party cautioned Biden in the past over his mouth. Mc Cain is no knight in shining armor either. This is one sad election as both party's leave much to be desired.
September 4, 2008

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leatherneck writes:

spattersurprise:
You are so intelligent; I am amazed how you can promote the Liberal beliefs and your party in general. You have such intelligent comments, great information, and facts.
I love it; You’re not doing any favors to all the rest of the Liberals on this blog, that’s for sure.
September 4, 2008

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dilligaf writes:

LOUIE
But to top it off they should have dressed her up like she did for the cover of Vogue magazine. Cleavage and all. She was dressed like the barbie the cons want her to be.
September 4, 2008

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pietrojoe writes:

simmer down everybody and Barack the vote!
Biden's going to eat her alive.
September 4, 2008

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COLibertarian writes:

Dilligaf, then you dont read all of my posts. I defend many freedoms that do not associate with Republicans. I openly debated the freedoms of the protestors here in Denver. I defended their rights for freedom of speech regardless of their views.
I am a fiscal conservative and a Social Free-For-All kinda guy.

I am usually roundly criticized by you, Jay, MTS, Leftside as well as Dan2, NotChasB, Steel, Flyfishdude and MarineGrunt also. So it just depends on the subject at hand.
As stated to you TODAY, I had given up on the Republican Party many yrs ago. In fact have voted for 1 Rep presidential candidate since 1988. I voted for Clinton 2x and would vote for him again. Now if that is Republican then that is a surprise to me!

I have roundly criticized Bush and McCain both. Especially on the freedoms and the gawdawful spending without cost controls both have wreaked on us and will wreak on us if McCain is elected. Again the only way I would ever vote for either Candidate is if Hillary was on the ticket.

So bottom line it is OK to be incorrect as long as it is incorrect for the person of your choice?
September 4, 2008

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COLibertarian writes:

Dilligaf, The reason I usually "pick" on you and even the Republican side when it comes to these blogs, is that I try to engage in dialogue with those that use derrogatory remarks to others while posting inaccuracies themselves. While some on both sides wish to lay blame everywhere else while calling names, I try to engage those people for dialogue for unification not division. Now that is out, can we still be friends?
September 4, 2008

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danirobi writes:

37.2 million people tuned in to watch Sarah Palin's speech last night. Joe Biden only got 24 million views. Barack Obama's speech 38.4....

http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/09/palin-...
September 4, 2008

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LOUIE writes:

No pal, you have the rose colored glasses. Bush Sr. had a war to fight putting Iraq out of Kuwait. Clinton couldn't handle Yugoslavia without hightailing out of there, much less topple the Soviet Union. Clinton had no stomach for war, didn't know a thing about how to use the military. Clinton also weaken our military capabilities,not as bad as Carter, but still quite severly. Lastly, I agree with the veterans who clearly objected to Clinton setting foot in Arlington Cemetary. Although not as bad as Hanoi Jane, he still critisized his country while our soldiers were dying. Clinton was weak with military issues. Wasn't too long ago Obama called Iraq a lost cause, now he reverses himself, and wants us to win. What did he do to help his country win the war in Iraq especially when he wanted to quit? Only candidate in this election who payed with his own blood for this nation is John Mc Cain, even Obama gives the man his due on this issue. I watched the vets get off planes from Vietnam on Elmendorf Airbase as a kid, because of draft protesters and others like Clinton they weren't to well recieved. In the early 70's they took severe felons like me and hid up our records, because America, like Clinton, hated and treated the soldiers with great disrespect both in words and actions. I can forgive Mr. Clinton, but I won't forget regardless of how popular he was or is. Johnson was the last democrat who believed in military capability. Even your democrats realized the lasting achievements globally that Reagan brought about. Clinton owes much to Reagan. Wars cost big money and put our nation in debt, look at Iraq today. This war's effects will last years to say the least.
September 4, 2008

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leatherneck writes:

pietrojoe: Biden has already shown how scared he is. He will have his hands full in the Debate.
September 4, 2008

1:58 p.m.

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COLibertarian writes:

Rick

"I would like to see McCain take the high road with his speech tonight, but I'm not sure if he can with the tone that has been set by the other speakers up to this point. He sure would get my respect if he does."

Not going to happen. McCain thinks he smells blood in the water and will strike / lash out. He cant help it. It is the way he is. He has not mellowed with age and we can count on this type of thing for years to come. Unfortunately it will be politics as usual. Half the people will be cheering and half the people will want his head on a platter. Same as last week, same as last night.......
September 4, 2008

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leatherneck writes:

spattersurprise: your liberalism has been very enjoyable, you make the rest of the Dems very proud
September 4, 2008

2:08 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Dilligaf, I guess some would prefer Popeye's Seahag, that she's not. Personally, I think Ms. Obama is much more beautiful looking, but has a cold fish personality to warm up to. Thus Ms. Palin is more attractive because she has the warm personality to go with it. Both are quite intelligent. Ms.Mc Cain comes across as a cold fish, again my opinion. Looks don't win much in my book when it comes to the office holder however; Ms. Hillary was surely the smartest candidate of all of them this election. Glad we don't pick candidates on looks, Mc Cain wouldn't make dog catcher, must less president material.
September 4, 2008

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COLibertarian writes:

Dilligaf or anyone else for that matter,
Do you approve of what is being stated at 1:51 pm today on this thread?
September 4, 2008

2:25 p.m.

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Cowboy63 writes:

I knew it! Just give good ol' Joe Biden enough time and he'll start hanging himself with foolishness like this. So the first order of business for an Obama administration would be to investigate and prosecute Bush? That sure is a big "change you can believe in". Two lawyers on the Dem ticket can't wait to start issuing subpoenas. How about your plan for governing the country, Joe?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/...

Just what the American people want - more litigation! No wonder congress is at an 11% approval rating. Looks like Biden is shooting for the mythical 5% approval rating.

I can only hope stupidity like this comes up in the VP debate.
September 4, 2008

2:27 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

mom, it's too bad truthhurts can't admit when he's also wrong. I mentioned how the Dems have controlled both houses since January 2007 and he keeps asking about before 2007 (the 1 year and 8 months I've mentioned several times). I don't think truthhurts reads post too well, just skimming through them is enough for this person.

Barron...... do I deny what happened to blacks in the distant past? No, especially since I'm a mix of mostly white, with Indian and black in me. What I do think is the black community needs to quit using it as a crutch for their ills. Just like Bill Cosby has said. Although it's only speculative about Palin attending the conventions, I know some Republicans that attended Obama's speech and it's possible there's some Dems that will attend the GOP speech tonight. Does that mean they're for the party they're not registered with? No........ but if you feel you need to relate it to get through the day, feel free.
September 4, 2008

2:35 p.m.

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jay writes:

yes, colib, rick mirrored a sentiment i wrote this morning.

palin isn't going to help mccain get the swing vote. she's too much of an extremist...but she will be good at bringing the fundie whackjobs to the table on election night...which was the point of her appointment.

louie, you say you're an "independent"...and then go back to spouting far right wing myths about clinton.

you just don't pass the smell test my little rushian footsoldier...just like colib.

cowboy...apparently you haven't taken that civics class i've been asking you to for weeks now...for if you had, you'd know why congressional approval ratings have little to do with dems.

by the way...when did accountability become a four letter word to you conservatives? if there are subpoenas to be issues, shouldn't they be?
September 4, 2008

2:38 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

me2, Jesus was actually a Carpenter, and is the Son of God. A "community organizer" is pretty generic. Who knows what that means....... could Obama have been a volunteer at the local rec center?

BigD, what track record are you talking about with trickle down economics. After the debacle that was Jimmy Carter, and the recession the country was in, Reagan's policies helped bring the country back to higher levels. Carter was a Dem, and some of his plans from then are ideas that Obama has talked about having as policy with his administration. For instance, think windfall profits tax on oil companies. The last time that was tried, gas prices jumped significantly at a time they weren't as volatile as now, and the lines at gas stations were long, very long.
September 4, 2008

2:44 p.m.

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COLibertarian writes:

Jay,

Exactly, that is why I think both candidates failed in their VP nominations, with McCain getting the worst of the deal. I see Biden a much better choice than Palin. Her nickname does not fit her though.......barracuda? nah...... cougar......grrrrrrrrr but the only problem there is she is only a few yrs older, so cougar is a bit of a stretch for me
September 4, 2008

2:44 p.m.

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saveferris writes:

Cowboy63: Just what the American people want - more litigation!

There are actually many Americans that have been waiting for and asking for this and not just Democrats. There has already been testimony before the Judicial Committee. The hearing was called “Executive Power and Its Constitutional Limitations.” I watched all 6 hours of it on CSPAN and found it pretty interesting. Do I think Bush will actually be prosecuted? No, but it's nice to have dreams.
September 4, 2008

2:55 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

jay, the funny thing about you talking about Palin and extremism is that the company I work for has several people who are excited about her that I've talked to today alone. I work for a company employing 3,000 people here in Denver alone so it's not like I've only talked to 1 or 2 people. The FACT is that congressional approval ratings are at an all time low and the Democrats control both houses. Spin it jay, but the facts don't change, do they? Lastly, the subpoenas is nothing more than a politician trying desperately to sound like he'll make someone pay for something because he's bitter. It's along the lines of talking about Congressional hearings on the firings of U.S. Attorneys when it's well within the legal right of the President to fire any of them for whatever reason...... or there doesn't even have to be a reason. The President can do that if he wants and there's nothing Congress or the Senate can do about it.
September 4, 2008

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

rickybear....... I don't need to prove Jesus was a carpenter, it's been done quite a bit already and if you're not informed of it, that's your tough luck. When it comes to him being the Son of God, you can either believe or don't. Whatever you choose, I don't care one way or another to be honest.

Community organizer though....... that's a good one. The neighbor telling the kids to quit playing in the street could be a "community organizer", LOL!
September 4, 2008

3:09 p.m.

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4gColoNative writes:

So many people posting here watch one political speech and on the basis of this media event think they can predict the outcome of an election months away. You write of Democrats somehow being scared or beaten by this tripe.

Don't you realize you've been duped? *You* are now a victim of the "cult of personality!"
September 4, 2008

3:12 p.m.

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COLibertarian writes:

Rick if you choose to call MILFs Hyenas rather than cougars, that is up to you my friend. Cougar sounds a heck of alot sexier than hyena........but hey what you do on your own time is your own time :-)
September 4, 2008

3:15 p.m.

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COLibertarian writes:

Cult of Personality.......great song cool band for its time ---Living Colour--- Not sure Hanna would like them tho
September 4, 2008

3:20 p.m.

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COLibertarian writes:

Rick so how many is too many for a MILF? 2? 3? 4?............
September 4, 2008

3:27 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

No Jmac, I petitioned for and recieved executive clemency from the state of Florida; all my civil rights have been restored, except firearms and certain licenses such as liquior, firearms, etc. Your going to laugh, but today because of my area of expertise, I work hand in hand with law enforcement on a daily basis, meeting twice a week with them. My family owns several businesses, it was a prerequisite that I be an open book and accomendate any law enforcement concerns whether federal or local. After 20 years in this arrangement, I have put more criminals behind bars than any other single felon you'd know of. I have maintained an extremely truthful and honorable rapport with law enforcement since the very day I walked out of prison and was taken in by my "adopted" family. In gratitude for what this family has done for me, I have worked over 20 years, often times 7 days a week, and had only 2 one week vacations. My next vacation will be when my eldest daughter graduates medical school in May. Not many people are as skilled as I am in my profession due to my years of knowledge in what I do. I don't want to talk to much about what I do, but today when I tell you my life has come full circle, it is true. If an officer calls my name, it is an honor to place myself and my professional skills at his or her service. As my friends retire from thier respected agencies, I go to thier retirement out of respect; probably the only felon in the room. It was the rulee that were laid down upon me when I returned to society from prison. Thus even what I do in my daily activities, is just one of many ways I pay society back with honor for the debt I will always owe. One day, I thought about a full pardon from the governor of Florida, but the shame of my felony and prison sentence, has pretty much been removed. If I were to apply today, it will be so my children do not carry the stigma of thier old man. I am a registered unaffilliated voter, who keeps getting annoying pollsters calling all the damn time unfortunately. Why do you ask?
September 4, 2008

3:30 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

rickybear, I don't need to prove anything. I feel sorry for you because of your troubles with understanding things. It's a fact Jesus was a carpenter. I don't need to prove it as many historians have already done so. As for him being the Son of God......... as I said already and as you can't comprehend, it's a choice to believe it or not. And I don't care whether you do or not.

You are really tweaked about Palin today that you can't even take in what you're reading. I could ask you to prove Jesus was not a carpenter, and that Jesus is not the Son of God, but I'm most definitely certain you can't do either of them.
September 4, 2008

3:30 p.m.

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4gColoNative writes:

She's a minx
September 4, 2008

3:45 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

bigd, that last word in your post.......... don't you mean "TAX" and not "facts"?? Obama plans on taxing anything he can. In American economics, over-taxing the public has proven a financial disaster.
September 4, 2008

3:56 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Big-D, I voted for Clinton the second term as well, he was better for the country at that time. I am not a socialist, populist, democrat, republican, I call it as I see it, and vote the best man (or now woman) capable. My family started out poor, we made our millions many times over; few country's are as blessed as America. You have the same opportunity as we did, what you do with that opportunity is up to you. I never lived in envy of another man's possessions or wealth, that's a little too shallow for me. Take from the rich and give to the poor sounds good, but most have no idea how to handle true wealth. Thus many wealthy families create trust fund babies; we chose to train our future generations to multiply our family's wealth. Is it wrong do believe and create the American dream? Put a label on me, fine, tax me and make me hire a cadre of accountants, but don't kill the dream. Some of us strive higher, even jerks like me with an 8th grade education. You can put your cup at the trickle, but I wanted to be at the headwaters if it's okay with you. I don't like living and not achieving something worthwhile, that I have to look at others success with envy, and hope it trickles down. Sorry, I grew up poor, I will probably return to poverty one day, but at least I lived and did something with the time God gave me.
September 4, 2008

4:10 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Oh, and Big-D, like Warren Buffet, my wife and I still live in the same little starter house we first bought; a little HUD house that has tripled what we paid for it. We don't owe anybody, and life is still quite simple in many ways. It's called being secure in your person. My family has mansions, we owned a mall in Florida, and we have had as many as 7 businesses running at the same time. We are all made now, so we downsized some the businesses, and put our money to multiply in other areas of business, and soon I imagine we'll get bored and open up something else. But we'll never retire, too much fun doing business, we'd be bored quickly. Sharp minds don't like to sit idle. I love life everyday, God has brought me from prisons to palaces. Trickle down, I don't think so, I have a better mind than that even with my limited education.
September 4, 2008

4:18 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

One more thought Big-D, one of my family's advertisements cost us 4000 dollars a day; do you know what that ad must produce in a day? Give me a thought on what you think that add must produce, and then you might understand why some of us try harder than others. And yes, we are obligated to give back, our charity exceeds what most Americans make. Wealth has an obligation as well other than greed.
September 4, 2008

4:21 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

rickybear, you are bitter and that's all there is to it. Prove that taxing the American public over and over doesn't lead to financial disaster or you can ignore my post. You reply with an opinion, so prove it. It's been proven Jesus was a carpenter, if you don't agree, then you can have your opinion. If you want to refute what I say and what historians have written, prove it. You want the proof, yet where can you prove I'm wrong? Can you? Show me proof I'm wrong and I'll tell you I'm wrong. Another thing......... since you're brain is dysfunctional today, I never said it's been proven Jesus is the Son of God. Believing it IS A CHOICE! Can you read that now??? Since "prove it" is the song on the broken record you're listening to, take your own advice.

Talking about myths.......... all I have to say is Obama. The libs are confused and angry today.
September 4, 2008

4:35 p.m.

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mytwosense writes:

enginerd writes: "Sarah Palin gave a great speech and is a big improvement to the Republican ticket, but it is still headed by the author of McCain-Feingold. I don't see how the author of that unconstitutional infringement of the first amendment is qualified to support and defend the Constitution."

How is a law that curtails corporate influence in American politics unconstitutional? Where in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are corporations afforded the same rights as human beings?

While a corporation is run by people, it's still an artificial entity. In fact, a corporation can and often does live indefinitely, while people die. You really want to give these artificial entities the same rights as human beings?
September 4, 2008

5:01 p.m.

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davies writes:

Cwillyrun1: I am a Christian, but in my opinion the whole point of any theology/ideology is not about what can or cannot be proven, it is what you CHOOSE to believe. Or disbelieve. That's what really matters, and arguing with people about what may be proven fact ultimately serves no purpose.
September 4, 2008

6:21 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

JAY & Big_D, the reason our nation was in debt when Clinton took over goes back before Reagan to the failed presidency of one Jimmy Carter. Yes, the man who's recession shut down steel mills and factories. The man whose policies ran gold up to 800 an ounce while intrest rates exceeded 20%. Yes, OPEC and oil embargos. Iran burning our flag while keeping Americans hostage for hundreds of days. The man who singlehandedly destroyed America to it's lowest low since the great depression. Even today looks rosy compared to the days of Jimmy Carter. Yes good ole Jimmy, the guy who was at your convention but nobody asked or even wanted him to speak, he kind of ran America pretty deep down in a hole. Reagan pulled America out of the worse economy since the depression thanks to Jimmy Carter. That debt went all the way to Bill Clinton's administration. Clinton was able to get into surpluses because Reagan laid the groundwork long before. Thus the second time Clinton ran, I voted for him. But then the republican decided to sacrifice our nation's honor with an impeachment of Mr. Clinton; very foolish. The man lied and did wrong with a woman out of wedlock, but it didn't rise to the level of impeachment. I don't blame democrats for forgetting about Jimmy Carter, I am glad he didn't run his mouth at the convention. Other than the Camp David Accord, he was the worse failure as a president in my lifetime. Reagan is credited by both party's with restoring America both economically as well as worldwide. Clinton was lucky, the russian bear had fallen due to Reagan; thier satellite communist countries like Poland and others broke rank because of Reagan busting Russia's stronghold. Jimmy Carter, I'd like to forget about his failed presidency, but it's hard when you lived it. Clinton was good for America, but Ronald Reagan is still credited with putting America on the road to recovery. At least that's how many saw it Jay. Do you remember Carter's presidency, OPEC ate us alive, and they are no friend today. Remember 21% intrest rates, haven't ever seen that again thank God? Do you remember all the factories closing and songs like "Allentown"? Do you even remember how low Jimmy Carter ran this country? America owes Ronald Reagan, and almost every president afterwards had it a lot easier after Reagan bumped of the communist east bloc and thier fearless leader Russia. So tell me JAY & Big_D, why didn't the democrats let Jimmy Carter speak at the convention? He holds a noble peace prize and runs his mouth all over the world. Jimmy Carter was a coward, who let our hostages languish for hundreds of days in Iran while our nation was sliding downhill. If you think Clinton inherited a debt, you should think back and remember what Jimmy Carter left Ronald Reagan and this country for an inheritance. Smart of the democrats to put a sock in Jimmy Carters mouth at the convention, some of us have longer memories than others, JAY& Big_D!
September 4, 2008

6:56 p.m.

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me2 writes:

Since her husband wants Alaska to leave the Union, would that make them King and Queen? Or Queen and consort?

Who is up on this stuff? Does the A.I.P. have a name for their new country? United counties of Alaska sounds good to me.
September 4, 2008

7:38 p.m.

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jax writes:

This is for whomever mentioned that Obama had more viewers than Palin...I didn't reread all the posts, so I'm not sure who it was.

It's good info anyway...

MORE THAN 40 MILLION AMERICANS tuned in Wednesday to see SARAH PALIN'S speech.

The HUGE audience for Palin's acceptance speech RIVALED that for Obama's address at the Democratic National Convention six days earlier.

Last week ONLY 38.4 MILLION PEOPLE WATCHED OBAMA SPEAK at a Denver stadium on the six commercial networks, along with BET, TV One, Univision and Telemundo — FOUR NETWORKS THAT DIDN'T EVEN COVER Palin's speech.
September 4, 2008

8:05 p.m.

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commoncents writes:

sadly the republicans still want America to be divided instead of united. They should really try and put country first and not just have it plastered on a poster or billboard. I just finished watching Cindy McCain and almost puked in my mouth. What a bunch of phony people they are.
September 5, 2008

2:35 a.m.

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jax writes:

More than 40 million people see Palin speech

By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer

NEW YORK - Barack Obama apparently isn't the only "rock star" in presidential politics this year. After days of intense media coverage about Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin's qualifications, more than 40 million Americans tuned in Wednesday to see for themselves what they thought of her.

***If I "lied" rick_e_bear, then I do so via the AP.*** Thanks though.

commencents: it's in bad TASTE to puke in your mouth...

The Dems seem to be getting awfully picky now...maybe their Wonder Boy isn't so wonderful after all, hmmmm?

Sorry for your loss.
September 5, 2008

3:05 a.m.

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jax writes:

rick_e_bear:

There is no need for name calling. I simply relayed what I had read, so please keep your name calling to yourself. If you have contrasting information, please post it...but “scum” doesn’t really equate to “I dispute”. It only means you can’t oppose the statement without providing an expletive in return. But, I would really appreciate it if the next time you can't control yourself, you could use "scum-ette" instead. Happy Friday!
September 5, 2008

7:30 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Alaskan succession is nothing new; many Alaskans don't care for the lower 48 politician dictating policies they find quite unfavorable. Do you know any other state that shares it's wealth with the people like Alaska? No, your politicians think only of thier own greed and blow the money on thier pork barrel projects. When Alaska struck oil, unlike Wyoming, Colorado and other oil producing states, they created a permanent dividend so each year each resident gets a royalty check off the revenue. Only state to truly put it's residents first, politicians second. To often Washington's interference is not wanted or needed in Alaskan affairs. Politicians in the lower 48 care only about thierselves, Alaska is tired of footing thier political welfare with thier hardwork and prosperity. Succession is nothing new, it's been talked about since I was a kid. Alaska has very little in common with the lower 48 politically. Imagine Ritter saying every Coloradoan will recieve a portion of the states bounty each year as residents; that isn't going to happen as he'll find a way to spend it and do so quickly. Greedy lower 48 politicians think only of themselves.
September 5, 2008

12:01 p.m.

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RockyMtnMac writes:

Atta girl Jax! Rickebare attacks me all the time too- he thinks if he claims to be a "former republican gone sour" maybe we will all be brain washed into voting for Ron Paul and split the conservative vote. I always have bloggers assume I am a he, and I'm a Rocky-ette too! Of course, maybe rickybare is a girly girl too - who knows? You certainly can't tell by it's position on the issues.
September 11, 2008

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jvb writes:

Louie: I always enjoy your opine. What you say about Alaska may be true. Assume Alaska gets Palin's sentiment for Independence. Russia sold Alaska to America. If Russia attacks as she did in Georgia, America would not join the fray. Alaska would be returned to Russia. Russia would love to have Alaska back in its fold.

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