Palin no stranger to Focus on the Family
By David Montero, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published September 2, 2008 at 7:27 p.m.
Photo by Stephan Savoia, Associated Press
Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain smiles after introducing his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, in Dayton, Ohio.
James Dobson went from not supporting John McCain to becoming an enthusiastic cheerleader for the Republican presidential ticket in six short months.
What happened?
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, that's what.
While an unknown quantity to many Americans, Palin has been on Focus on the Family's radar since at least 2006.
Kevin Clarkson, an Anchorage attorney who does work for the Alliance Defense Fund — loosely linked to Focus on the Family, knew of Palin's work dating back to 1998 when she supported Alaska's ballot measure outlawing gay marriage.
Focus Action, the political arm of Focus on the Family, helped on that campaign — though Palin at the time was mayor of Wasilla and may have only inadvertantly crossed paths with the group.
According to a recent Time magazine story, Palin turned the 1996 mayoral race into a partisan affair — injecting issues like abortion into the race.
But it was when she beat Republican Gov. Frank Murkowski in the 2006 primary that Clarkson got a call from Focus on the Family asking him questions about the strength of her social conservative credentials.
"There had been some entries made under her name in Wikipedia that were of concern to them (Focus on the Family)," Clarkson said. "The main one cited in Wikipedia was her veto of a bill that would've limited marriage benefits to married couples."
Clarkson explained that it was a convoluted process that led to the veto. Acting as legal counsel, Clarkson advised Palin to veto the bill that he said, because of confusing legislative machinations and existing court challenges, would've had the opposite effect and locked in benefits for all couples.
Clarkson said he had to explain the whole decision to Focus on the Family to put minds at ease.
"She is on the conservative side of all issues," Clarkson said. "She is in favor of marriage being defined as between a man and a woman and she is pro-life. There is no doubt about it."
Tom Minnery, senior vice president of Focus Action, agreed.
He said Dobson's evolution from being anti-McCain to adamantly supportive of the Republican ticket can be attributed to three things — McCain's "strong responses" at Pastor Rick Warren's summit in Orange County, "the pro-life, pro-family platform adopted by the party," and the selection of Palin.
But despite the change of heart, Minnery said Dobson has not had a meeting with McCain since he became a presidential candidate last year and that he hasn't met personally with Palin .
That could change Saturday when McCain and Palin arrive in Colorado Springs for a rally.
While the McCain campaign and Minnery said no meeting is scheduled, neither left the option off the table.
"Who knows what may happen?" Minnery said. "So far nothing has been planned. But we're happy to see political leaders of any and all stripes."
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September 2, 2008
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angryrepublican writes:
And here we see why the country has been given Palin. John McPain has sold his sole for the blessing of the false profit of Colorado Springs. No conservative Republican would ever consider voting for McPain and his little trophy unqualified VP.
September 2, 2008
8:48 p.m.
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pgrampp writes:
Can't help it. Why didn't she Focus on her Family?
Perhaps missy would not be knocked up.
September 2, 2008
8:58 p.m.
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btdenver writes:
Dobson and his group haven’t typically embraced career moms. In his book, “The New Dare to Discipline,” Dobson blames the crumbling of moral values and the anarchy "now rumbling through the midsection of democracy" on working mothers and permissiveness.” Jim Daly, president and CEO of Focus on the Family, cheered the fact that fewer women aim to be working moms, “a reflection,” he says, “of a renewed realization that nothing is more important than being there for your kids.”
What a hypocrite.
September 2, 2008
9:12 p.m.
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clyde writes:
C'mon Dems, you haven't pulled the old "A Woman's Place is in the Home" yet. The Republican's #2 has better credentials than the Dem's #1.
And who cares about Focus?
September 2, 2008
9:26 p.m.
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upthecreek writes:
Incredible. Dobson and company now support a working woman who dumps her special needs newborn in daycare while proudly proclaiming the obvious failure of abstenance only sex education. It just doesn't get any better than this...
September 2, 2008
9:28 p.m.
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MattGuyver_007 writes:
Uh hum, I would much rather my candidate be associated with non-violent groups that love America and act on their beliefs through accepted political channels, i.e. a veto, rather than American hating, violent scum like William Ayers. Where is that story RMN?
Please see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxoiZd...
...especially you CharlesB.
September 2, 2008
9:32 p.m.
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angryrepublican writes:
Lets see.
Republicans #2 Mother who could not teach her own daughter abstinence.
Republicans #2 Raises daughter who has her pictures plastered all over the web showing her drunk, flashing gang signals, and kissing another girl.
Republicans #2 Being investigated for corruption.
Republicans #2 cut her earmark requests from Senator Stevens to only 291.00 per resident, well above the average of 38.00 for the other states. That is a reformer!
Those are the credentials that I want from someone who could easily be President.
Just say no to McPain!!!
September 2, 2008
9:50 p.m.
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clyde writes:
Jeremiah Wright
Bill Ayers
Tony Rezko
Those are the aquaintances of the person I definitely DON'T want as President.
September 2, 2008
11 p.m.
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rage_against_the_stupid writes:
Charles_B
God reads these blogs-
September 2, 2008
11:03 p.m.
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jaybyrd writes:
"Have you now, or have you ever been, a member of Focus on the Family?" To paraphrase the old and weird House Un-American Activities question to defendants accused of Communist Party affiliation? An old fashioned RMN witch hunt. Here's one for the News: "Have you now, or have you ever published a story re: Barry, the product of the notoriously corrupt Chicago political machine, of his associations with convicted felons and unrepentant Chicago terrorists (William Ayers)". Try paying more attention to the man who is one election away from the presidency, rather than on one who may never even seek that office.
September 2, 2008
11:22 p.m.
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GladysKravitz writes:
Charles B thanks for the nugget on her Jews for Jesus crap. It only adds to my despise of the religoius right. Here is one to share for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-QXi1...
September 2, 2008
11:31 p.m.
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EZBakeOven writes:
Tune in tomorrow, for another episode of "All My Children." And all YOUR children since women are just supposed to shut up and have babies, even through incest, and not have any say or conversation with her doctor about what is best for her, including contraceptives and education about sex. Yep. Did we land in the Dark Ages again and no one told me?
September 3, 2008
12:08 a.m.
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hoek writes:
If the level of these comments get any lower, they would qualify for USA Today's comment forum. That is not a compliment.
September 3, 2008
12:28 a.m.
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BenchBoss writes:
We are all adults here. Well - for the most part anyway. Let's just accept the fact that Palin was a bad choice. Just sticking to the topic-at-hand and not dragging Obama into it. I'm not even suggesting that Obama is 'the one'. Don't get defensive. Don't point-counterpoint. There are some other more-qualified and less-controversial people more capable of being VP. I don't care whose side you're on. Don't just embrace her because you feel you have to.
September 3, 2008
1:31 a.m.
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Steve_In_Denver writes:
Why is this newsworthy? Focus on the Family already embarrassed themselves by urging their congregation to pray for rain at the DNC. Maybe they'll get Palin to pray for bad things on the Democrats as well...if she's not doing so already.
September 3, 2008
5 a.m.
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samsmargolis writes:
Based on the comments from the dems in this blog, it's clear sexism is alive and well on their side of the house. Why don't you just come out and say it? "Lil' missy needs to stay home and take care of her family..." C'mon. Most of you won't admit that sexism is a bigger issue than racism in this country and, in fact, based on some of the comments above, you're part of the problem. Palin gets challenged by supposedly "progressive" democrats over her ability to run for office - or work in the office of VP - when she has "children to care for." Ever notice that not one challenge of a similar nature has been thrown out to BHO even though he has school-aged children? That's pure sexism - it's especially nauseating coming from the democratic women. Vote however you want based on qualifications or policy positions, but you have zero credibility in the equal rights conversations when you trash someone like Palin based on need to "stay-home-to-care-for-the-kids" rants.
The whole uproar over her daughter's pregnancy is quite the joke, as well. Dems - urged on by the main stream media - are making jokes about the lack of "family values" because the teenager of a Republican became pregnant. Let's consider the family values of this Republican family versus your typical BHO supporter: This girl 1) knows who the father is and 2) is keeping the baby with the full love and support of the extended family and 3) is marrying the father. Contrast that with your typical BHO supporter who 1) may or may not know who the father is, 2) may or may not keep the child, 3) if they keep the child, will likely end up being on welfare and a burden on society with no support from the extended family, 4) will not marry the father, if known, and 5) will likely star in an episode of Jerry Springer at some future point. Sorry, BHO boot-lickers, as a taxpayer that doesn't appreciate the welfare world you've created, I prefer the Palin path on this issue.
September 3, 2008
5:34 a.m.
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angryrepublican writes:
Sexism is alive and well! That is the only reason McPain picked Palin. It was not for her intelligence, leadership, or ideas. Pure and simple McCain picked her because she is a woman approved by Dobson. Looks as though Palin has raised a daughter that will be traveling straight down that welfare path. Not only has McPain acted in the most seist way possible but the drama of his VP pick is nothing more than a racist rant. I am not an Obama supporter but it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for a liar and thief like McPain!
September 3, 2008
5:36 a.m.
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Openminded1 writes:
samsmargolis: What makes you think this girl is not going on welfare? (Cause her mom is Gov). The jury is still out. Teen pregnancy is not good regardless of who you vote for, so stop trying to justfy this. It's bad period..Old Levi better get a DNA test. If it was my son I would insist on it......
September 3, 2008
5:50 a.m.
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RunMountains writes:
Who cares? This is not newsworthy!
September 3, 2008
5:59 a.m.
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diggtbks writes:
Watched the RNC last night on CSPAN, good speeches, many acknowledgments to our great military, very patriotic! Enjoyed it a lot. "Country First" - excellent slogan
Watched parts of the DNC and it reminded me of a bunch of children begging Daddy for candy.... No mention of volunteerism or involvement just "what can Uh-bama do for me??", "what can he GIVE me??"
It also reminded me I had to take out the trash in the kitchen... very strange....
September 3, 2008
6:01 a.m.
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Tom writes:
Any friend of Focus on the Family is an enemy of mine.
(Not a bad bumper sticker idea!)
September 3, 2008
6:39 a.m.
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Lemmingsfollowidiots writes:
The Loser Dems and their fear and hate continue’s to roll off their ignorant tongue. Apparently it is easier to buy into the lame claims than to acknowledge the truth about the ONE! Only reason he is considered for President is the color of his skin! Now the left comes out in all their glory by showing they only care about lefties, not workingwomen, not strong women, and surely not someone with common sense.
You all are such a small-minded bunch of lunatics! Must be horrible to go through life with such HATE and FEAR of everything not you! Maybe if you stopped being so self-important and actually took the time to see others for whom they are you life might be better.
Then again just keep talking your trash and showing your true colors. The colors of your country are green, the color of envy, loathing and disrespect. What happened to your reality? Once again you lefties prove your true self’s. Not for women, not for minorities and surely not for anyone that differs in opinion. What ever happened to being able to discuss and disagree with someone of intelligence? Now we have a bunch of hate mongering idiots spewing all sorts of ignorant illogical idiotic lies. And if they don't agree with your ideas run them out of town. The intolerance of those on the extreme of either side makes me sick!
GOD BLESS our Country and our Countrymen (far left or far right) they do not know of what they speak!
September 3, 2008
7:17 a.m.
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gregu710 writes:
diggtbks-
yes, I too enjoyed the "America first" slogan and the tribute to our men and women serving, HOWEVER, I did NOT enjoy the smarmy little backhanded jabs at Obama, any more than I enjoyed Hillary taking swipes at Bush. Sorry to see the RNC can't step away from the nasty old politics as usual. You might not like Obama, but he kept his address clean and above board. And I'm not sure what DNC you were watching but the message I got from what parts I watched is that America has a lot of challenges ahead of it and working together we can overcome them. I call that a touch of reality, not "America is great, everyone loves us, and nothing has changed since 9/11..." Sorry this is not the world of John Wayne anymore, when the world was basically just us and the USSR.
Lemmingsfollowidiots, the fact that you can't complete a sentence without slandering anyone who doesn't agree with you lock-step just makes every word you say pointless. There are those of us out here who are pretty d#%n tired of both parties and those who follow them blindly to the detriment of this country, and stuff like you're spewing is what is WRONG with this country. I like your last line (after spending the entire time lumping all Dems together into one category of anti-US commie pinko liberal terrorist loving abortionists)
"GOD BLESS our Country and our Countrymen (far left or far right) they do not know of what they speak!"
Funny, I didn't see a word about the excesses of the far right in your entire post. Why the sudden attempt to make it seem like you're unbiased?
September 3, 2008
7:22 a.m.
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BO writes:
sams-
1) So what you're saying is that no Barack Obama supporter that gets knocked up knows who the father is, correct? I'm sure you have official stats on that one. Last time I checked, the Bible says that premarital sex is a sin, whether or not you know who the father is.
2) You're also saying that no Dem/ Obama supporter ever keeps their unwanted pregnancy, correct? I'm sure you have stats on that one as well. You do realize that it is possible to be pro-choice and to decide to keep a child, don't you? Is that too deep a concept for you to grasp?
3) Newsflash- Who do you think pays for the health care plan of the Palins (and every other politician, for that matter)? Ding, ding, ding.....taxpayers!
4) Yes, because raising a child in a potentially unhealthy marriage is always a good thing. I hope that's not the case with Bristol Palin, but that's usually what happens when 17 year-olds get married.
5) The last episodes of Jerry Springer I saw usually featured dumb, white rednecks (not always, but fairly often). Guess which party dumb, white rednecks usually vote for? I'll help you out- usually not the Dems.
September 3, 2008
7:35 a.m.
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LingLingfor_prez writes:
Focus on the Family has radar? Now that is a news story.
September 3, 2008
7:41 a.m.
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Mtnsjohn writes:
Focus on the Family espouses views that support adherence to certain standards based on scripture. That scripture is accepted by millions as the Will of God. There are some in the organization that make some goofy statements, but the intent of Focus on the Family is to save and support the basic unit of our civilization and the organization should stick to that goal.
There are those who believe in no absolutes, no standards and certainly no judgment day so they morally and ethically fly by the seat of their pants. Right or wrong can change on a minute to minute basis so if it feels good, do it. Their sense of righteousness comes not from an idea of categorical imperatives or their standing before a higher power, but from taking on causes like saving whales, the environment and/or political causes and candidates. Not evil in and of itself, but an attempt to fill an empty heart.
September 3, 2008
7:45 a.m.
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Sensible writes:
"Rocky Mountain News, no strager to liberal interest groups"
September 3, 2008
7:49 a.m.
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mom49 writes:
How long has it been since any woman has been able to stay home with her children. Have you looked at day care centers lately? For all you democrats, Obama was born out of wedlock. Was his mother on welfare like you seem to say about Palin's daughter is going to be. What does all of this have to do with running our country anyway? I am more worried about Obama who is so proud that he spent 36 million dollars last month and feels that qualifies him to run this country and the 46% tax increase on the working class people that he is going to do if he gets office. Anyone who thinks children are punishment, is for murdering of innocent children, (premediated murder which is planned and carried out = abortion), for raising taxes on the working class people, I will not vote for.
September 3, 2008
7:51 a.m.
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Mtnsjohn writes:
...So RMN what is the insidious link between Palin and Focus on the Family? Looks like Focus did no more or less than it does in every other state with issues and candidates it may chose to support.
September 3, 2008
8:20 a.m.
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malis writes:
Oh well...I really wanted to like Sarah Palin and, if nothing else, it is progress that the R's could allow a woman VP--wouldn't have been possible not that long ago.
However, now that it's been demonstrated that she's simply a more extreme, less-experienced version of Mike Huckabee (but with added soap-opera family drama), the republican ticket is disqualifed and her national political future limited to the Huckabee level.
September 3, 2008
8:23 a.m.
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rushrulesbaby writes:
I am definately in the right corner with McCain and Palin! Focus on the Family has always been a thorn in the side of demoncrats and the liberalistas. We may be on the verge of righting this floundering ship called America and we may see an end to Roe v. Wade and the gay demands of marriage! Halleluliah!!!
September 3, 2008
8:30 a.m.
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hogarm writes:
Does Palin think the Christian's bible provides guidance for foreign policy? That is the real risk. Look what the fundie in the White House now has done to our international relations.
September 3, 2008
8:33 a.m.
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Mtnred writes:
That was great, LingLing. Why do we care what FOTF says or does about anything? They have been a joke for a long time.
September 3, 2008
8:44 a.m.
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LuvAmerica writes:
samsmargolis & company: The issue with Palin and her prego daughter (and similar details) can be distilled down to one word:
Hypocrisy.
THAT's why everyone considers it worthy of consideration regarding her VP credentials. Republicans have often had this horrific disconnect between beliefs and actions, but this is getting absurd.
September 3, 2008
8:46 a.m.
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psu96 writes:
Rove on Obama's VP Choices (pre-Biden selection_
"I think [Obama's] going to make an intensely political choice, not a governing choice," Rove said. "He's going to view this through the prism of a candidate, not through the prism of president; that is to say, he's going to pick somebody that he thinks will on the margin help him in a state like Indiana or Missouri or Virginia. He's not going to be thinking big and broad about the responsibilities of president."
Rove singled out Virginia governor Tim Kaine, also a Face The Nation guest, as an example of such a pick.
"With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years, he's been able but undistinguished," Rove said. "I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America."
Rove was sooooo close.....
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September 3, 2008
8:59 a.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
The hypocrisy of Palin and McCain is outrageous. Unfortunately most die-hard Republicans are too dumb to see it. The intelligent ones are working hard for Ron Paul, the only true conservative candidate.
September 3, 2008
9 a.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
Women, you're being patronized by the McCain campaign. You know that, right?
September 3, 2008
9:06 a.m.
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M2 writes:
You know... it seems some people are not progressing at the same speed as society. The freedom of a woman to choose, gay rights, racial stereotypes, woman's rights and so on. This is called progress. If it were up to some of you Hocus Pocus on the Family people you'd still own slaves. Those times are over. It's time we progress. I hope you're not too upset when a black man is president.
September 3, 2008
9:13 a.m.
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davies writes:
My, you liberals seem upset:
"Women, you're being patronized by the McCain campaign. You know that, right?"
Why, no Mr. Poncho, thank you for pointing that out to us dumb women! We could not have figured that out on our own!
Talk about patronizing...
September 3, 2008
9:18 a.m.
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rightwingnut writes:
me2,
Don't try and make us who do not like Obama and his policies racist. It has nothing to do with race. However, your attempt to make it so just shows who the true racist is.
September 3, 2008
9:37 a.m.
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HopiMedicineMan writes:
How funny, the vitriol comes down on the people who save lives (Focus) while the major progressive value is genocide, no different than your history. Do you people ever change?
September 3, 2008
9:42 a.m.
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rbdeli writes:
You should be praising the actions of Palin's daughter. This is a 17 year old girl who gets pregnent and doesn't have an abortion. This isn't hypocricy, it's called being responsible for one's actions, and being open to the creation of life.
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September 3, 2008
9:43 a.m.
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jay writes:
no surprise that mccain chose a running mate perfectly suited to court the american taliban vote.
he had to pay the piper to stay competitive.
September 3, 2008
9:43 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Welcome (back) to 1952!
So the dems are saying Palin shouldn't run because she has kids to care for. How very progressive of you. Where was all this concern for kids when Biden was being sworn in as a single-parent from the bedside of his injured son! Obama has two young daughters - where are the questions about his ability to be a father and President? Nowhere to be seen. Sexism is alive and well and wearing an "Obama 08" lapel pin.
So McCain/Palin are making a campaign stop in Colo Springs and it is suddenly front page news. Where is the front page story investigating Obama's ties to confessed-terrorist Bill Ayers or convicted-felon Tony Rezko? Instead we get three front page stories IN THE NY TIMES covering Palin's pregnant 17-year old daughter.
Squeal, Angry Left! Squeal!
September 3, 2008
9:55 a.m.
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jay writes:
"So the dems are saying Palin shouldn't run because she has kids to care for"
no, cowboy, we're saying she shouldn't run because her policy stances are counterproductive at best (abstinence only sex ed didn't work in her own household) and ignorant at worst (creationism).
any questions?
September 3, 2008
10:02 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Charles_B writes: "Which Democrats said this? (anonymous postings on blogs like this don't count)."
Of course blogs count! This is where the surrogate attack dogs of Obama/Biden operate.
Go check dailyKos or HuffingtonPost. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a dozen posts questioning "her ability to care for a special needs child and hold down the VP office at the same time".
Have you read what Andrew Sullivan has been posting lately?
September 3, 2008
10:04 a.m.
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MBR693 writes:
More manufactured news from the RMN. Hardly newsworthy.
September 3, 2008
10:19 a.m.
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MBR693 writes:
Charles_B writes:
"Many people are saying that she shouldn't be running because she's a right-wing ideologue with unpopular, radical positions on the issues of the day..."
Did you mean to say...
"Many people are saying that he (Obama) shouldn't be running because he's a left-wing ideologue with unpopular, radical positions on the issues of the day..."?
September 3, 2008
10:47 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Now the Obama camp is accusing Palin of being a NAZI SYPATHIZER!
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedp...
You knew it was just a matter of time... the sad part is I'm not surprised in the least.
That's chapter one in the angry left attack bible: when flailing for an accusation (and you don't have a point): start screaming "NAZI!"
September 3, 2008
10:53 a.m.
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davis_x_machina writes:
Other than her direct statements that relate to the manner in which she might govern should that unfortunate need arise I don't see that Caribou Barbie herself is as much of an issue as the questions of judgment and sold allegiance that caused McCain to accept her on the ticket.It was already apparent that McCain had genuflected and kissed at least the ring, of the fundigelicals. Given that Dobson had recently recanted from his previous stance of non-support for McCain to allowing that he'll cover for him anyway this should not surprise anyone.
September 3, 2008
10:59 a.m.
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jay writes:
i could care less if she supports seccession or nazis or whatever, cowboy.
her policy stances are ridiculous...from her failed family experiment with abstinence only sex ed to her insistence on cutting funding for teen mothers to her love of earmarks and deficit spending to her bigoted position on equal rights for gays to her anti-science leanings in regards to global warming, creationism and stem cell research.
are you clear on this?
let's not pretend that palin's major problems aren't her irresponsible policy stances, okay?
September 3, 2008
11:08 a.m.
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BO writes:
Cow63-
Did you actually read the article you are providing the link to? It said that Palin allegedly supported Pat Buchanan, whom to many Jewish groups is seen as anti-Jewish. Not the same as saying Palin is a Nazi sympathizer. Righties are just as good at spin as any liberal I've seen. Its like saying that since you and members of the KKK are voting for the same candidate, you must support the KKK.
BTW- She shouldn't have worn his button if she wasn't really supporting him. She could have avoided this whole mess. Would you wear an Obama button if he was in your area, just to make him feel better? I'm guessing not.
For the record, I think the cover of "Us" magazine about Palin is wrong. But, she is still unqualified.
September 3, 2008
11:20 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
BO - just Google "wexler palin nazi" for more info - there's plenty more than this one story.
Why don't we wait to hear from her tonight. It might be relevant to hear what she has to say. There will be plenty of opportunity to comment tomorrow once we've all heard what she says.
September 3, 2008
11:39 a.m.
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global writes:
Since McBush doesn't believe in equal pay for women does that mean Palin will only be paid 60% of a the VP's salary?
September 3, 2008
11:43 a.m.
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Rol1968 writes:
Same old Grand Old Party, financed by the wealthy to manipulate the votes of the poor and middle class with messages of preserving pax christiana and family values (latest 'good' definition: no gay marriage but wedlock ok) and bombing bad guys. This platform is so 1960's, like judging a person by his/her color. I'm praying to their God to save my country from them.
September 3, 2008
11:44 a.m.
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davies writes:
Jay: "her policy stances are ridiculous...from her failed family experiment with abstinence only sex ed to her insistence on cutting funding for teen mothers"
I guess a liberal would cite the above as a contradiction and a failure. A conservative might look at the same circumstances and say: So? Since the daughter didn't practice abstinence (or birth control), the mother now expects her to be responsible for her choices. What the mother does NOT expect is for the government to provide housing to unwed teen mothers, thus tacitly encouraging more unwed teen pregnancies.
Whew, that was complex, huh jay? It's like cause and effect, or something...
September 3, 2008
11:52 a.m.
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LoneTreeLady75 writes:
LOL @ Davis - Caribou Barbie
September 3, 2008
11:54 a.m.
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jay writes:
only a true footsoldier could look at her daughter's pregnancy and believe that abstinence only sex ed was the way to go...instead of access to contraceptives and the knowledge to use them, davies.
furthermore, i'm glad they were able to make the decision about what to do by themselves...without gov't intrusion...as she supports.
wouldn't you agree?
September 3, 2008
12:32 p.m.
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davies writes:
jay, I'm not sure I get your second point. Am I pro-choice? The answer is yes.
But as to abstinence, I also think that a parent can very rightfully and earnestly and lovingly advise his/her kids that he/she believes abstinence to be in the child's best interests.
Are you suggesting that if kids don't take their parents' advice, that means the parents' advice was wrong? Think about that one for a minute.
September 3, 2008
12:34 p.m.
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dilligaf writes:
She has to focus on family. They breed like rabbits.
September 3, 2008
12:51 p.m.
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FatTony writes:
@clyde
"C'mon Dems, you haven't pulled the old "A Woman's Place is in the Home" yet. The Republican's #2 has better credentials than the Dem's #1."
I respect peoples opinions...but you're an idiot.
September 3, 2008
12:57 p.m.
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farsidefan writes:
This says all we need to know about her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPY...
September 3, 2008
1:02 p.m.
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4gColoNative writes:
The TV ratings should be pretty high tonight for Palin's speech.
I heard it reported that Bush's staff were helping her write it.
My guess is that it will be superficial .... no mention of her true wacky beliefs. Will be geared to making her more "likeable" to the masses.
September 3, 2008
1:04 p.m.
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davies writes:
FatTony: "I respect peoples opinions...but you're an idiot."
I guess people shouldn't value your respect too much, should they?
September 3, 2008
1:04 p.m.
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jay writes:
not at all davies...but it has been established time and time again that abstinence only sex ed is failed policy...and palin's family "situation" is proof positive.
September 3, 2008
1:17 p.m.
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4gColoNative writes:
If you believe in Separation of Church and State, do not vote for the McCain ticket.
September 3, 2008
1:37 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
jay writes:
"only a true footsoldier could look at her daughter's pregnancy and believe that abstinence only sex ed was the way to go...instead of access to contraceptives and the knowledge to use them, davies."
Are you saying that all schools that have sex-ed and hand out free contraception are 100% teen-pregnancy free? If not, then what was the "way to go" for those kids?
News Flash: Kids don't always listen. (Even the ones who are up to their armpits in free condoms.)
This "well, her kid is pregnant, therefore, everything she supports is wrong", is uninformed at best.
Anybody who has raised a kid (liberal or conservative) can tell you - despite all the parents best intentions, they sometimes insist on learning the hard way.
September 3, 2008
1:45 p.m.
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davies writes:
Palin's daughter is certainly not "proof positive" of the failure of abstinence only sex ed policy - it is anecdotal evidence.
Do we even know if this policy is what was taught in her schools, or only at home? And are you suggesting that this 17 year old girl and her boyfriend did not know how or why to use a condom? If they did know how and why to use a condom, does that 'prove' that encouraging the use of condoms is a failed policy? If I point out another family that believes in abstinence, and none of the daughters has an unintended pregnancy, is that then 'proof' of the 'success' of abstinence only policy?
Or how about this: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
Is that a failed policy, because people don't adhere to it 100%? Or is it something worthy of aspiring to?
September 3, 2008
1:53 p.m.
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4gColoNative writes:
The hypocrisy is so strong, I have to bring it over from another thread.
Palin risked the life of a fully formed fetus by taking an airline flight (after her water broke).
There is no reconciling this choice of hers with a "pro-life" stance.
September 3, 2008
1:59 p.m.
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jay writes:
"Are you saying that all schools that have sex-ed and hand out free contraception are 100% teen-pregnancy free?"
nope...just pointing out the fact that the data supports my position that abstinence only sex ed is less effective...as well as palin's own family "situation".
this isn't exactly breaking news people.
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/20...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/...
September 3, 2008
2:03 p.m.
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chobbes writes:
This just in - Far left bloggers are imbedded marxist propagandists. Marxist organizations are using the internet and the face of the democrat party to infiltrate the hearts and minds of Americans by passing off marxist beliefs as democrat, as well as filling the internet with lies about the GOP and conservatives. Authorities are looking into this conspiracy. Organizations like MoveOn and the Huffington Post are also on the radar.
September 3, 2008
2:09 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Sweet, I feel better now that focus on the family likes her.
She is very hot, but a VP no way. This is such a reach for McCain.
Bad judgment by him. This was a move just to try to win. I hope it back fires.
September 3, 2008
2:39 p.m.
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freedomfighter1 writes:
Farside
It sounded like Palin and Jesus are trying to open a pipeline in Alaska. I just love how a party thinks that God is on their side because.....well because they said so.
September 3, 2008
2:50 p.m.
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dilligaf writes:
DenverDan
It already has back fired. This blog proves it. This is what everyone is talking about. McCain is so dumb. He didn't realize this would bring so much negative press to his campaign? And now their scrambling to make it go away. Well it isn't going away. You give the side ammo and they are going to use every bit of it. I'm not saying it is right but it is fact. Heck look how much ammo Obama's preacher gave them. And they are still using it. Again latest Gallup poll:
Obama-50%
McCain-42%
IT IS WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 3, 2008
3:46 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
Palin was an excellent choice in my opinion, and time will tell. dilligaf, polls at this point are worthless.
September 3, 2008
4:04 p.m.
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infidel91 writes:
4gColoNative writes:
"If you believe in Separation of Church and State, do not vote for the McCain ticket."
This is the only reason I'm holding my nose and voting Obama.
. . . and about Palin's upcoming speech, writes:
"My guess is that it will be superficial .... no mention of her true wacky beliefs. Will be geared to making her more "likeable" to the masses."
You've just described every political speech written in the past forty years . . .
September 3, 2008
4:53 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
I question what kind of mother she will be, a four month old with downs, three others and one is pregnant, oh and run the Country?
That is a lot on one person’s plate. I was a stay at home Dad with one child (lots of work) when he wakes up in the middle of the night he cries for mom. Bad timing bad choice.
September 3, 2008
10:49 p.m.
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willowbird73 writes:
this is for the family that had loved ones that passed away. TAKE CARE OF YOUR SELFS AND IM SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS. I WAS SO SAD WHEN I HEARD MAY GOD BE WITH YOU ALWAYS, and help this family through.
September 3, 2008
11:19 p.m.
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solar_satellite writes:
How contemptible it is that our state houses the headquarters of this extremist organization, that a sign on the interstate notes that fact, that any self-respecting person identifies with it, and that the DPRMN runs articles giving voice to its opinions.
September 4, 2008
1:24 a.m.
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KeepYourFocusOffMyFamily writes:
Palin's daughter had the freedom to choose what to do with her baby. Palin said, "We are proud of Bristol's decision to keep her child" -- direct quote. And yet Palin wants to legally deny other American girls that same choice. That's hypocrisy we can believe in.
September 4, 2008
7:49 a.m.
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666 writes:
1) It's fundamentally (ha ha) wrong for a religious organization to have a political arm. Unless of course we live in Iran, and there's no separation between church and state.
2) Nice to see the valiant stormtroopers of Focus on the Fallacy, a group that likes to be known for being steadfast and true to its principles, pulling a total 180. Even WASPs can waffle, I guess.
Focus on the Phallus won't be satisfied until Christianity is mandated by law and everyone wears a flag pin on one lapel and a cross pin on the other, on pain of death if you forget.
September 4, 2008
9:08 a.m.
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gneubeck writes:
Contrast Sarah Palin's superb, celebrate America speech, to that of Joe Biden's , America's best days are a distant memory speech. In spite of the fact that Obama's 3:00am VP announcement was a direct, and not-so-subtle, slap at Hillary and her supporters for her Primary criticism of his notorious and painfully evident inexperience, the Clintons are ecstatic over Obama's pick of "Jawbone" Biden as his VP. A man who can speak eloquently ad-nauseam while saying absolutely nothing of substance. Biden, advertised as the brain-trust for the Obama ticket, is the same foreign policy "expert" who told the Israelis that they would have to passively accept a nuclear armed Iran, which of course would eventually guarantee the destruction of their Nation. The same individual who stated that the "Surge" was doomed to failure; and, who promoted the partitioning of Iraq into three separate nations, which would have precipitated a violent Iraqi civil war; and, assured the eventual incorporation of Shia Iraq into Iran. The same individual who voted to deny our American Forces the bullets and equipments they needed to survive in lethal combat. This from an individual who had earlier voted to commit our troops to the conflict. A despicable breach of trust with our men and women in uniform. Sounds more like a single digit IQ than an expert! The McCain camp will certainly exploit Biden's former prolific praise of McCain; his multiple assertions that Obama was not sufficiently experienced to assume the Presidency; and, who correctly noted that the White House was not the proper venue for Obama's: "On-The-Job-Training". Obviously Obama was smart enough to recognize that he needed a "Handler" close-by 24/7; and, no-doubt has scheduled Biden for remedial training in diaper changing. It's a good time to invest in "Pampers". It's become apparent that Obama has some insidious need to constantly poke the Clintons in the eyes. One has to wonder if an "angry" Michelle Obama is prompting such responses! And, as Bill Clinton so aptly said of Obama: "He's simply a typical Chicago thug." However, the Clinton's, astute in the way of politics, will simply re-enforce their base of supporters in preparation for a now certain 2012 bid. Greg Neubeck
September 4, 2008
5:46 p.m.
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conrad_carter writes:
Wow, there's a lot of people here drinking Kool-Aid and boarding the Magic Negro's bus. Looks like they are almost all here.
September 4, 2008
7:25 p.m.
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orthotox writes:
Palin's a walking contradiction, walking on thin ice smack into the glass ceiling. Crrrack!