Conservative RNC delegates love Palin
Republicans start convention amid distractions
By M.E. Sprengelmeyer, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published September 1, 2008 at 1:55 p.m.
Updated September 2, 2008 at 7:29 a.m.
Photo by Chris Schneider
Colorado delegates Christa Huff, left, Keri Brehm, center, and Charcie Russell, right, wear signs on their backs in support of Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin during the first day of the Republican National Convention at the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul, Minnesota on Monday, September 1, 2008.
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Chairman of the Republican National Committee Robert M. "Mike" Duncan speaks on day one of the Republican National Convention at the Xcel Energy Center September 1, 2008 in St. Paul, Minnesota.
ST. PAUL, Minn. — Big cheers erupted on the first day of the Republican National Convention each time a speaker mentioned Sen. John McCain's newly named running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
Even when the subject wasn't politics.
When first lady Laura Bush took the stage Monday to ask delegates to open their wallets for Hurricane Gustav relief efforts, she drew enthusiastic applause when she mentioned Palin. So had earlier speakers.
There's a reason for the enthusiasm, and nothing — not even the news that Palin's unmarried, 17-year-old daughter was pregnant — could tamp it down.
Bottom line: So far, delegates appear enthusiastic about the first woman named to a Republican ticket — and making sure the crowd in St. Paul is happy is a key first step for McCain.
"It was a bad thing for whoever blasted that into the news," said Maurice Clements, 74, a delegate from Idaho. "Families have problems," he said, and making this one public was "a rotten trick."
Clements is exactly the sort of delegate that McCain was trying to reach by picking Palin as his running mate. Before then, the retired farmer was skeptical about McCain's "liberal" record on immigration, campaign finance reform and other issues.
"She's more in tune with my political philosophy," he said.
Some conservatives were quick to praise Palin, often citing the anti-abortion stance she demonstrated when she gave birth to her fifth child, Trig, though she knew he would have Down syndrome.
But if Palin helps McCain shore up part of his conservative base, she also has to overcome skepticism about her shorter resume and perceived lack of experience, something that could make it harder for McCain to continue attacking Democratic rival Sen. Barack Obama's readiness to lead.
Since voters have just two months to get comfortable with Palin before the election, the extra scrutiny raises the stakes for her convention acceptance speech.
It's planned for Wednesday, although the hurricane situation still is playing havoc with the RNC schedule.
As the convention continues, the question is how much partisan posturing the country wants to see while so many people in the Gulf Coast states are in peril. At the convention site, even some delegates were preoccupied with television screens in a hastily arranged hurricane-watch room.
As Laura Bush told delegates, "When such events occur, we're reminded that first we are all Americans, and that our shared American ideal will always transcend parties and partisanship."
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September 1, 2008
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rip84 writes:
The "no new tax" platform cannot be delivered. George HW Bush made this statement and could not live up to his promise. With a record budget deficit and weakening economy, it will be difficult for Republicans to not allow at the very least an expiration of some of the Bush tax cuts at the top income level. Because of the weak dollar, it is downright stupid to provide a short-term supply side solution to reduce the deficit and stimulate the economy. I hate to say it, but this country needs to pay higher taxes to get us back to a break-even budget and improve the strength of the dollar. Once this happens, long-term tax cuts can be considered.
September 1, 2008
5:27 p.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
The collective IQ of the Minneapolis-Saint Paul metropolitan area has plummeted by 20% in the past hour.
Mothers keep your daughters away from all that Sarah Palin crap. Better to pay for pole dancing lessons. Let the results speak for themselves. Her poor young daughter is all knocked up. She must've dropped the aspirin.
And what's up with the Republicans holding a bake sale for New Orleans? Didn't they learn to budget enough money for hurricane relief after Katrina? If they collect anything then what percentage of the funds will actually go to hurricane refugees? I smell a campaign contribution.
September 1, 2008
7:23 p.m.
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Vector049 writes:
Like the bumper sticker reads:
"The Road To Hell Is Paved With Republicans"
September 1, 2008
7:32 p.m.
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trinidad writes:
Hey lay off the pregnant daughter "bit" it has nothing to do with the RNC. Yes, there has to be taxes. They're necessary to run the country but why put higher taxes on people who earn more or put a middle class person in a higher tax bracket just because in one pay period they worked 10-20 hours overtime? Huckabee's flat tax is the best remedy for our tax situation. don't punish a person who is willing to work hard to raise their income and do better for themselves. Looks like the protesters need to learn some manners and respect for other peoples property but I'm not in the least bit surprised about the way the jackass supporters are acting. It's pathetic.
September 1, 2008
8:05 p.m.
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Uno writes:
"The Road To Hell Is Paved With Republicans" -that may be, but it's the Democrats who walk it.
September 1, 2008
8:10 p.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
The RNC: BOOOOOORING!
September 1, 2008
8:15 p.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
The selection of Sarah Palin patronizes all women. Sarah Palin does not represent the vast majority of women in the US. Do you really think she would stand up for women's right to choose? Do you think she would have any voice in a McCain admin? She'd be less listened to than Condi Rice!
September 1, 2008
8:21 p.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
The fact that Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant certainly should not be a political issue. However, most Americans do not want the first or second family setting that sort of example for American teenagers. Try explaining that to your own teenagers.
September 1, 2008
9:44 p.m.
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EZBakeOven writes:
rip84 - you are most correct! All this debt after nearly eight years, well, someone's got to pay for it. So much for the small government GOP. No matter who is elected, the reality is taxes are going to have to go up. And I hope it's on the rich :-p
September 1, 2008
10:49 p.m.
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truthaboutdems writes:
Here's some facts for all of you hypocritical democrats out there:
1) Explain how you idolize a president who had sex in the oval office and then lied about it. What a great role model.
2) John Edwards, another model Democrat who you all were ready to give your second born to elect a few years ago, cheated on his wife while she had cancer nonetheless. Another outstanding representative of your party.
3) The RNC encourages donations to a charity and you criticize. If they didn't you would criticize them for being rich, ignorant, selfish white people. Hypocrisy at its finest.
4) The average net worth of a Democrat is larger than a Republican, but the average Conservative donates more to charity. Lie and distort the facts all you want, but it is FALSE to claim that Republicans are rich and Democrats are working class.
5) As much as you would like to argue, your first amendment right does NOT include smashing police windows and store fronts. But hey, keep up the antics; your behavior proves to the rest of the country your true character.
6) The DNC and elitist liberals spent $100M on their 4 day love fest in Denver, all the while dramatically increasing their environmental footprint and costing local business millions in lost sales and productivity. But hey - Obama gives a great speech, so it was all worth it. Nice words won’t improve your life.
7) The war is not 'illegal' simply because you say so. You are not a federal judge and do not have the power to determine legality. Conservatives are NOT pro-war, they are pro freedom and anti-terrorist.
8) Oil companies are not evil for making a profit. They provide a service that all of us use on a weekly basis. Punishing success and rewarding failure is a idiotic idea. I saw hundreds of stretch limo's at the DNC that were using thousands of gallons of evil gasoline from Big Oil. The DNC representatives also helped themselves to tax free gas at the city fuel stations. Another example of leadership from the best of the left.
Talk about policies vs. individual candidates. Most democrats I speak with can not name specific actions that Obama is going to take that will improve the country. They are simply towing the line and voting their party, all the while thinking that "change" must be a good thing. If Obama wins and the economy doesn't improve it will be President Bush's fault. If he loses, it will be a result of racist white republicans. You are so predictable it is disgusting.
Now if you will excuse me, I need just stubbed my toe and need to go blame President Bush for my situation.
September 2, 2008
12:01 a.m.
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7_ogNiOj writes:
Hussy of a daughter. Figures.
September 2, 2008
1:16 a.m.
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democraticeskimo writes:
1) Explain how you idolize a president who had sex in the oval office and then lied about it. -Republican "Role" Models 1.Mark Foley, 2.Ted Haggard, 3.Larry Craig, 4.Bob Allen, 5.Glenn Murphy Jr. I can't make this up! look them up! 2) John Edwards -See above
3) The RNC encourages donations to a charity. -Palin's donations in 2004 were not to charity. FEC records indicate that Sarah Palin, donated $328 to the Republican Party of Alaska in 2004 and she donated $300 for Mike Miller, a conservative former state legislator.
4) The average net worth of a Democrat is larger than a Republican.- The average salary of AMERICAN'S? UP in the 8 years of Clinton, DOWN in the 8 years of Bush! Republicans = less $ for all.
5) As much as you would like to argue, your first amendment right does NOT include smashing police windows and store fronts.-Republican values? Code Pink preaches peace while engaging in violence as seen by the 12 Feb 08 protests. They attacked old people and attempted to destroy private property.
6) The DNC and elitist liberals spent $100M on their 4 day love fest in Denver. -The facts! In 2004 the RNC cost more than $154 M, by far the most expensive such event in the nation's history.
7) The war is not 'illegal' simply because you say so. You are not a federal judge. -You don't need to be a judge. Just president! Bush's invasion orders violated the Constitution's promise of our soldiers' citizen rights, as well as 18 USC 241. Under the law, Bush can be criminally prosecuted today for his violation regardless of his being a sitting president. Of course, as demonstrated by inter-agency and inter-branch collusions, Bush lives above the law. Under 18 USC 241, as soon as one US soldier was killed in action in Iraq, Bush was prosecutable for conspiracy to commit felony murder.
8) Oil companies are not evil for making a profit.- The facts! US oil firms have given McCain 3 times more declared campaign money than to Democratic nominee, Obama. Big oil contributions to the Republicans outweigh oil money to the Democrats by a similar ratio.
Talk about policies vs. individual candidates. Most democrats I speak with can not name specific actions that Obama is going to take that will improve the country.- See Above!
Now if you will excuse me, I need just stubbed my toe and need to go blame President Bush for my situation.- How about soldiers who came home to this. “Bush administration sought this year to cut $75 a month from the ‘imminent danger’ pay.” This year’s White House budget for Veterans Affairs cut $3 billion from VA hospital. Bush was charging injured GIs from Iraq $8 a day for food when they arrived for medical treatment at the Fort Stewart. Bush also defeated a bipartisan attempt to use a paltry $1.3B on vets of the massive $87B Iraq war request; and they even denied Kevlar protection to 40,000 troops. The fiscal year 2005 war budget is over $420 billion!
September 2, 2008
5:15 a.m.
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Johntrythisone writes:
Just another fine example of certain individuals showing their tolerance and open mindedness.
September 2, 2008
5:19 a.m.
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Hambone writes:
And her husband, who she touted as a commercial fisherman, works for BP.
September 2, 2008
5:56 a.m.
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richardboyd writes:
I think she's great. Much more in tune with my way of thinking than most millionaire lawyer politicians. And she is tough.
September 2, 2008
6:33 a.m.
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Winski writes:
Just goes to show you what sheep will believe in the face of facts.
September 2, 2008
6:37 a.m.
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Sixtysixdeuce writes:
7_ogNiOj writes:
"Hussy of a daughter. Figures."
We all trust that no one in your family has EVER done something that you aren't proud of. And I'm sure you and every other person who is saying such things about Palin's daughter waited until you were married to have sex, right?
Teenage pregnancy is a fact of life the world over, more and more as the years go on. But who are we to judge? This girl can still make good choices, finish school and go on to lead a productive life. So she's knocked up. It isn't a crime.
I can just imagine how different the tune would be if Obama had a pregnant 17 YO daughter; "Oh, it helps him be in tune with the struggles of Americans. He understands us, because he's going through it too."
September 2, 2008
7:18 a.m.
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T1anda writes:
The Sarah Palin VP pick has brought on liberal panic. I've never seen so much fear pouring out of the blogosphere in a long time. Of course much of it has the pretext of concern with experience.
Because Obama's resume is very thin he has backed off his campaign's initial statement to attack Palins' experience. Obama knows how disastrous this line of attack would be if it became official campaign mantra.
As for Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter so what? And who really cares?? It's definitly a non-issue!!
We could sit on our computers all day and insult Democrats and their family. I would rather insult something the Democrats really care about instead.
September 2, 2008
7:22 a.m.
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ML writes:
Palin's own mother-in-law was quoted as saying that, other than being a woman and a conservative, she has no idea what her daughter-in-law brings to the ticket.
September 2, 2008
7:32 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
Here is an idea for all the Democrats hating on Sarah Palin and her family situation...why don't you listen to your candidate, Obama and back off!
September 2, 2008
7:35 a.m.
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LingLingfor_prez writes:
LOL, we all know about Mother-in-laws.
September 2, 2008
8:14 a.m.
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Grim_Reefer writes:
It's been stated that Palin supports abstinence only education, because that works oh so well.
September 2, 2008
8:31 a.m.
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richardboyd writes:
Replying to Charles B
The child is innocent, and there is always someone willing to take if the mother and father are unable. Killing the child will not erase the pain of what has happened, be it rape, incest, or simply bad judgement. Two wrongs don't make a right. Let the child live. Human life is precious and must always be protected.
September 2, 2008
8:31 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
It is a blast watching the leftwing blogosphere rip into an average American woman dealing with average American issues. Let's see how well that attack plays in Peoria!
With every fresh attack on Palin (and for what? A pregnant daughter!? that's all you got?) the left just energizes the conservative base and shows the rest of the country just how out of touch liberals are with average american issues.
No wonder Obama is fighting to stop the attacks his own machine started! It will shine a big spotlight on on their opposing positions:
Obama: "I wouldn't want my daughter PUNISHED with a child".
Palin: "We're standing by our daughter".
Which one of those two positions do you think the majority of Americans identify with?
September 2, 2008
8:34 a.m.
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Truth writes:
What is interesting is the situation of Governor Palin's daughter's preganancy highlights the differences between the two parties and their perception of the world:
Barack Hussein Obama: "If my daughter makes a mistake I don't want her to be punished with a child."
Sarah Palin: "Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that, as parents, we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents."
Which view do you think regular Americans will identify with?
September 2, 2008
8:35 a.m.
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Truth writes:
I see we are thinking alike, Cowboy63.
September 2, 2008
8:44 a.m.
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Sensible writes:
I can't stand LIBS.
You had your fun at the DNC, now it's our turn.
Bug off.
September 2, 2008
8:48 a.m.
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T1anda writes:
Charles B. If you noticed in Palin's acceptance speech she NEVER mentions Obama or Biden at all. Contrast that with Biden's introduction in Springfield, Illinois where he attacked John McCain from all fronts! I believe there are three important points to take from this.
Sarah Palin represents a REAL "change" from the status quo and politics as usual that Obama's side only promises. It's been a long tradition that the VP nominee is the hired hatchetman for the Presidential nominee. Obviously NOT Palin! Rather than tearing down her opponents, Palin has decided to reinforce the message and agenda of reform from John McCain.
This is further proof that John McCain picked Sarah Palin from a position of strength and Obama picked Biden from a position of weakness. After going through a well-publicized internal struggle over picking somebody like himself versus picking somebody that fills in his weaknesses, Obama went for the latter and decided that he needed a hatchetman more than anything else. McCain decided to pick a validator, someone who can challenge the "3rd term Bush" attack head on.
I hope the Democrats continue to attack Palin. I also hope they continue to underestimate her, because she has been underestimated her whole political career. She has been told she couldn't win many times and she has always come out the winner!
I will take a cool, calm, and collected Sarah Palin over a media picked,rock star, candidate like Obama anyday!
September 2, 2008
9 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
T1anda - you got that right!
Every fresh attack on an "average american hockey-mom" who wishes her daughter would have made better choices but will stand by her anyway - is one more nail in the coffin of Obama/Biden. Biden talks about the conversation going on at the table? Well, an unexpected pregnancy is part of that conversation at Sarah Palin's table right now. Who is REALLY in touch with average America now Biden?
This is why Obama is furiously stomping on the brakes trying to get the media to back off the attacks! He knows this is a big, nasty "negative" that is going to boomerang right back at him!
September 2, 2008
9 a.m.
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Ottis writes:
Any woman who votes for Palin for a reason other than McCain's platform is being manipulated and used.
September 2, 2008
9:19 a.m.
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LoneTreeLady75 writes:
Selecting Palin as VP? Nice one McCain, you've handed the election to Obama/Biden on a silver platter.
BTW, who is she?
September 2, 2008
9:19 a.m.
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David_R writes:
"And her husband, who she touted as a commercial fisherman, works for BP."
True, he works for BP. He's a seasonal oil field worker, a union member not an executive or even a manager. He operates a commercial fishing business during the summer months (hard to commercially fish in the winter) and works in the oil fields to supplement his income during the winter. I guess the Democrats are now anti laborers and union members.
"That's what Sarah "My daughter should have a choice, but yours shouldn't" Palin thinks."
I haven't seen anything to indicate that there's been a double standard applied to Palin's daughter. Sarah Palin is a long term member of a group called Feminists for Life, which is not opposed to birth control. So you probably can't tag her for consigning young people to unwanted pregnancies.
Obama is receiving criticism from many progressive bloggers for not reaching out to use their considerable reach and influence directly to assist in his campaign efforts. These are two prime of examples of why he is taking that course.
Half truths, subjective and personal attacks reflect badly on the core of values and issues he's pursuing. Statements such as these are transparent twisted truths akin to ad hominem attacks; not only ineffective but reflecting poorly on the candidate being backed.
In other words he is saying that if you can't stick to the issues and truth, don't drag me down into the gutter you prefer to play in.
September 2, 2008
9:22 a.m.
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conniesz writes:
The vast majority of women in this country support the right to choose. A large majority of them would support their daughter if she found herself pregnant and wanted to keep the baby. Only one of these views is supported by Sarah Palin - she would remove our right to choose. She is not going to find much support among women with that attitude.
However, we all wish her daughter well. If all pregnant teenagers in this country had the support and resources available to Ms. Palin's daughter, teenage pregnancy would not be the tragedy it is. To make abortion rare we must provide support for the young women faced with having a baby on their own. The GOP has not shown any willingness to help these young women - that should be the issue, not the fact that Ms. Palin's daughter is pregnant.
September 2, 2008
9:25 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
LoneTreeLady75 writes: "BTW, who is she?"
She is STILL the only one with executive experience on either ticket.
That's allright. You're going to have plenty of years to get to know her.
September 2, 2008
9:28 a.m.
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LuvAmerica writes:
Here's the deal: I don't care that Palin's daughter got pregnant.
But I DO NOT want to be subjected to the holier-than-thou crowd telling the rest of us how to live our lives while their teen daughters get knocked up out of wedlock.
Now we have to watch traditional family values damage control spin into action: "But we love her and it will be all be great, so the abysmal failings of our philosophies shall be overlooked please. We're ultimately all about forgiveness and caring about the individual!"
Unless you're gay. That's different.
It's the hypocrisy part that's like nails on a mile-long chalkboard!
September 2, 2008
9:28 a.m.
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Truth writes:
Charles B, that is incorrect. A woman may do what she wishes to her womb. She may not kill a baby, even if it happens to be there.
The right to life of the child supercedes the rights of the woman to not be "inconvenienced".
September 2, 2008
9:29 a.m.
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BO writes:
So many bozos.
1) I could care less about Todd Palin's DUI.
2) I could care less about whatever decision the Palins make regarding their daughter's pregnancy.
3) It is possible to be pro-choice and yet decide against having an abortion. I'll give you rightwingnuts a moment for that concept to sink in............
4) While I am pro-choice (and for banning partial birth abortions), I don't go around cheerleading people to have abortions, nor do I know any pro-choicers that do. I just think its a better alternative to having dead teen girls turning up in alleys.
5) Accordingly, Obama's statement about not wanting his daughter punished with a child for a mistake doesn't equal an automatic abortion. Can we all agree that we would prefer to not have our 16-17 year old daughter, either real or hypothetical, get pregnant? Is that a fair statement?
6) Regarding Sarah Palin- she is unqualified for the job. No two ways about it. According to Steve Doocy, she has foreign policy experience because her state is across the Bering Sea from Russia. Here's a couple of thoughts. Her and I have the same level of education (bachelor degrees). I have been to Mexico and was able to haggle-down the price of a good I purchased. Do I now have foreign policy experience? Am I now qualified to be VP? What about the mayors of Niagra, San Diego, El Paso, International Falls, Sweet Grass, MT- do they have foreign policy experience? If she is the most qualified person for the job the GOP could find, then that party is in serious trouble. Conversely, if Biden can't wipe the floor with her in the debate, so are the Dems.
September 2, 2008
9:33 a.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
mstaco states "what kind of judgment does this show about mccain when he thinks its appropriate FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE to select somebody who is well-suited for the PTA but not the country to be vp. this is an insult. we should be outraged at the republican candidate for his willingness to roll the dice on our future."
I think all women, conservative and liberal should be upset by this kind of talk. To hell with party lines when this garbage is spoken.
I think McCain picked the wrong person for VP. Not that his current choice is unqualified, but he should have picked Hillary. NOW THAT IS A VOTE FOR CHANGE.
September 2, 2008
9:39 a.m.
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LuvAmerica writes:
Cowboy63 writes: "This is why Obama is furiously stomping on the brakes trying to get the media to back off the attacks! He knows this is a big, nasty "negative" that is going to boomerang right back at him!"
Have you ever considered becoming a political analyst? I hope not, because tearing pages out of your fax machine hardly qualifies you.
The right's portrayal of the left being "scared" or "panicked" by the Palin choice is really bizarre. I think the shrinks would call it projection. I realize the right is famous for a lack of empathy to the point of sociopathic, but here's a tip: the look you see on liberal faces is a combination of mystification and milk-out-the-nose laughter. But scared and panicked? Not even on the radar. I've just never seen anyone shoot themselves in both feet at the same time.
September 2, 2008
9:59 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
BO writes:
"4) While I am pro-choice (and for banning partial birth abortions), I don't go around cheerleading people to have abortions, nor do I know any pro-choicers that do. I just think its a better alternative to having dead teen girls turning up in alleys."
a) How many "dead teen girls" have you tripped over in alleys lately?
b) Unfortunately EVERY abortion ends with a dead baby in that same alley. What's your "better alternative" to that?
September 2, 2008
10:02 a.m.
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LoneTreeLady75 writes:
A few years of being the mayor of a town where there's more wildlife than humans and being governor of a state whose entire population mirrors that of a large university or college is considered executive experience? Sweet, than maybe I should run in 2012. "The only 3 a.m. wakeup call Palin has had to take was when a moose got into a few of the neighbors garbage cans." Get used to her? I dont think so Cowboy. My guess is McCain will take his meds, will realize what a crappy decision he has made, and will replace her with good ol' boys Romney or Huckabee before November. That would be the smartest thing for him to do, or else you can get used to hearing President Obama and Vice President Biden.
September 2, 2008
10:20 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
LoneTreeLady75 writes: "The only 3 a.m. wakeup call Palin has had to take was when a moose got into a few of the neighbors garbage cans."
... and even THAT is STILL more executive experience than both Obama and Biden put together.
The only thing Obama has done is vote "present" when he bothers to show up at all. That's strong leadership? I can see Putin laughing in Obama's face right now! That would never happen with McCain.
September 2, 2008
10:41 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
LoneTreeLady75 writes: "The only 3 a.m. wakeup call Palin has had to take was when a moose got into a few of the neighbors garbage cans".
Pop quiz: How many 3am wakeup calls does Obama get?
Answer: NONE.
He's never run anything, therefore, he's never needed at 3am.
September 2, 2008
10:49 a.m.
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BO writes:
Cowboy-
You're operating under the assumption that there would be no abortions if they were outlawed. It would be just like anything else-just because something is banned doesn't mean that it doesn't go on (drugs, murder, underage drinking). The reason you don't find dead teen girls in the alley now is because abortions are performed in a safe, sterile environment by medical people that know what the heck they're doing (exception- the occasional and unfortunate circumstance). Ban them, and you will have people performing abortions illegally, in unsafe environments, w/o proper care (or even people trying to perform their own).
1) If abortions were banned, what is the appropriate punishment for a woman that has one performed, or a person that performs it? You've had (presumably) years to dwell on this. What are your thoughts?
2) Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973. Do you enjoy being pandered to by the GOP on this subject, even thought they have never delivered any action?
You're just like the others. I stated that I respect the decision made by the Palins. I respect your anti-abortion beliefs, and yet you can't respect my beliefs. Typical right wing bull$h1t.
"We all know Republicans love America; they just hate half the people that live here."- John Stewart
September 2, 2008
10:56 a.m.
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BO writes:
"I can see Putin laughing in Obama's face right now! That would never happen with McCain."
That's because he's so tired from laughing at Bush. That's right, Mr. George "I-won't-talk-to-Iran-without-preconditions-but-I'll-send-an-envoy-to-talk-to-Iran-but-I-won't-call-it-talking-to-Iran-so-I-can-appear-to-be-tough" Bush.
September 2, 2008
10:58 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
BO writes: "I stated that I respect the decision made by the Palins. I respect your anti-abortion beliefs, and yet you can't respect my beliefs. Typical right wing bull$h1t."
Who said anything about Roe/Wade or punishing women? (You)
I DO respect your beliefs. I simply stated that every abortion ends with a dead baby. How is that FACT "typical right wing bull$h1t."
September 2, 2008
11:11 a.m.
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LoneTreeLady75 writes:
LOL Cowboy, I see that Bill Maher joke has you pretty riled up. Maybe if Palin wasn't busy taking those worthless 3 a.m. calls, her daughter wouldn't be in the position she's in, no? Palin may be the only one with "executive experience," but her "executive experience" as mayor and governor of some city and state that's rarely mentioned in ANYTHING is minor and insignificant at best. God forbid McCain falls ill and passes on, but if he does, Palin will be the commander and chief. Scary to think that this vendictive nobody (fired someone because they refused to fire her ex-brother-in-law) has a chance of becoming the leader of this nation. Palin is the repubs choice for VP by default. If Obama would have chosen Hillary for his VP, Palin would still be an unknown.
September 2, 2008
11:58 a.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
mstaco, Sheeple hahahaha where did that original thought come from? Good one. Brilliantly put forth with original wit and forethought.
September 2, 2008
11:59 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
mstaco - You're all "ad hominem" and no point.
A textbook example of the typical liberal.
September 2, 2008
12:10 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
my LoneTreeLady75 writes: "Palin may be the only one with "executive experience," but her "executive experience" as mayor and governor of some city and state that's rarely mentioned in ANYTHING is minor and insignificant at best."
...and at last check: it was STILL MORE experience than Obama has.
(Bill Maher??? Is he even still alive?)
September 2, 2008
12:15 p.m.
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anderson writes:
The presentation of the young, highly-coiffed Ms. Palin, about whom we don't know a great deal, initially at least raises the question: is she all hair and no cattle? I guess we will find out in days to come.
September 2, 2008
12:30 p.m.
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David_R writes:
"...you're a sheeple. move to alaska and chase moose on a snowmachine and quit wasting what precious few brain cells you have trying to be intelligent."
Very, very effective argument. Unfortunately it's becoming typical of modern political discussion.
Essentially, the political intellectual who resorts to ad hominen attacks and demeaning categorizations of their perceived opponents is exclaiming: "I know what I believe in, and since I can't explain or defend my position I'm going to call you names to prove I'm right."
What's next on the agenda; Playground Antics 101?
September 2, 2008
12:39 p.m.
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anderson writes:
We all learned playground antics in our youth. Talk radio has reminded us of how we used to think and act sometimes as children, but not for sentimental reasons.
September 2, 2008
12:42 p.m.
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anderson writes:
The photos of the RNC accompanying this thread crack me up. Do Republicans spend all their time looking at images of flags?
September 2, 2008
12:47 p.m.
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richardboyd writes:
Hi Charlie B
I think the State should have jurisdiction over the things specified in the United States Constitution. I cannot find the word "womb" in the constitution; (or the work "abortion" for that matter).
I believe it is important to value all human life, including life in the womb. The child is innocent and must be allowed to live; as we value our own lives we must value the child in the womb. If the womb is not safe, then what place is?
Richard B
September 2, 2008
1:06 p.m.
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BO writes:
Cowboy-
I mentioned Roe v. Wade, and I mentioned Obama's quote, because righwingnuts like to bring it up to make the assumption that the Obama girls, if in a similar prediciment, would automatically have abortions. I realize that you didn't say anything of the sort necessarliy, but you are the one that responded to my original post.
But you're right- abortions end with a dead fetus. However, banning them won't end abortions; it will just make them more dangerous for the mother. Again, I never said I was a big fan of abortions. I just happen to believe that abortions being legal is better than the alternative (the lesser of two evils, if you will). They're going to happen- I would rather it be done in a safe, sterile environment by someone that knows that they're doing as opposed to some dude in an alley or basement with a coat hanger. If they're banned, most doctors aren't going to risk their license and income performing illegal abortions. Yes, it would be great if there were no unwanted pregancies due to rape, incest, irresponsibility, or whatever, but that's not reality. It would also be nice if all teen girls that end up pregnant have the family and financial resources that Bristol Palin has, but that's also not reality.
September 2, 2008
1:18 p.m.
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BO writes:
I have also enjoyed how Trace Gallagher, while filling in for Shepard Smith on Fox News, ridiculed Jamie Lyn Spears' mother for Jamie getting pregnant, but the network seems to be sticking up for Sarah Palin at every turn (neither should be ridiculed).
September 2, 2008
1:49 p.m.
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anderson writes:
Right wing media is all about heaping ridicule on others, especially if they are poor or colored. Now that someone who looks like one of their own has a less than ideal outcome, the scorn and derision will be held in abeyance (as it should be).
September 2, 2008
4:03 p.m.
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bblessings writes:
Ponchovia writes: "The fact that Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant certainly should not be a political issue. However, most Americans do not want the first or second family setting that sort of example for American teenagers. Try explaining that to your own teenagers."
But let me get this straight, its FINE if Jaime Lynn Spears has a baby at 16 years old, right?! Most teenagers I know are looking up to her a heck of a lot more than any president's or vice-president's daughters. What an asinine remark!
September 2, 2008
10:17 p.m.
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LuvAmerica writes:
"Cowboy63 writes:
BO writes:
"4) While I am pro-choice (and for banning partial birth abortions), I don't go around cheerleading people to have abortions, nor do I know any pro-choicers that do. I just think its a better alternative to having dead teen girls turning up in alleys."
a) How many "dead teen girls" have you tripped over in alleys lately?"
None! It's a trick question. Abortion is safe and legal now.