Obama exhorts Mile High masses: 'We cannot let up'

By Sara Burnett, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published October 27, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.
Updated October 27, 2008 at 9:54 a.m.

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Barack Obama asks Sunday in Civic Center: "Do you ever have small crowds in Denver?"

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Barack Obama walks through a sea of supporters Sunday during a rally in Civic Center. Behind him, a group holds 10-foot letters spelling out CO4CHANGE.

Photo by Judy Dehaas / The Rocky

Barack Obama makes calls to potential voters Sunday from the Obama for President office in Brighton. Colleen McCormick and her 13-month-old daughter, Gracie, of Brighton, are on the left.

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October 27, 2008

7:47 a.m.

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1968camaro writes:

A socialist at his best!
October 27, 2008

8:10 a.m.

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LuvAmerica writes:

1968camaro writes:
"A socialist at his best!"

You come up with a clever new name for yourself every day, but you still say the same old tired fallicious things!

Does the GOP pay you by the word or per each message posted?
October 27, 2008

8:16 a.m.

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Rainbow522 writes:

So funny...how did I know that when I clicked to see the one comment that had been left here, it would be a snide remark submitted by one of the few remaining McCain mouthpieces?
At this point it's obvious that a large majority of us are sick and tired of lies and ready to get America back into the hands of people who care more about the good of the country than padding their own greedy pockets.
October 27, 2008

8:16 a.m.

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EXrepublican writes:

1968camaro,
Paved roads, clean tap water, Police force, fire department, Organized military....

All Socialist endeavors.
October 27, 2008

8:28 a.m.

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oldbuckaroo writes:

100,000 turned out for Obamessiah's "sermon on the mount". With all his charisma and campaign cash you'd think he could have at least coughed up a few loaves and fishes for his flock. Cheapskate!
BTW...biggest flock of sheep I've ever seen. Not one of them can name a SINGLE LEGISLATIVE ACCOMPLISHMENT of his that qualifies him for the office of leader of the free world. And no, "community agitator" and "rabble rouser" don't count. Like I said .... sheep.
October 27, 2008

8:35 a.m.

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oceanview78382 writes:

1968 Camaro Like most MCCain supporters won't tell us he loved Bush just as much in the last two elections. Gallup has over 80% of MCcain supporters supporting Bush (remember quite a few were too young to vote 4 years ago).

MCCain supporters try to smear Colin Powell and other conservatives who support Obama, but where is their hero GEORGE W BUSH ? Why hasn't he endorsed and why don't McCain supporters have the integrity to admit they love Bush too!
October 27, 2008

8:37 a.m.

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SockRayBlue writes:

I've been a Republican all my life. Now that I'm retired I look forward to Obama redistributing the wealth. I will seek every government freebie with a new found zest for life. I can only see a payoff that is more lucrative than trying in desperation for a win in the Lottery. Obama is a sure thing. There will be no change other than government trying to maintain itself more vigorously with a new found passion.

When this country starts to crumble and fall from its sheer weight I will move to Europe and watch from afar. Too bad. So sad.
October 27, 2008

8:44 a.m.

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rmtalker writes:

I was there and it was great. I normally try to avoid crowds and considered just catching the web-cast but I'm really glad I went. I didn't arrive early and parked about a mile away. I walked most of the perimeter and could find no place to see the podium and ended up standing in the middle of Broadway with masses of others. I kept thinking, 'this is ALOT of people'. Sound system volume and quality were very good. Nobody around me could see the podium but we all clapped and cheered in support of the 'Republican Stain Remover'.
October 27, 2008

8:45 a.m.

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UNV_ME writes:

The Obama campaign is not a regular campaign. People are so pi$$ed off about where our current government has taken us (on every level) that this election has turned into a movement. People who said they would never vote on the left have changed their minds, people who said they would never vote for a black president have decided to, and people that never voted in their lives are getting themselves registered to have their voices heard.

About time!
Obama/Biden '08
October 27, 2008

8:49 a.m.

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cjc1951 writes:

1968camaro, I dont even care what jokers like you think anymore, say your worse, hurl your insults. But you better get used to it, the times they are a changing and Barack Obama is changing them. He is the people's choice baby, and he will be president for the next 8 years. Get used to it, or crawl in a hole for the next 8 years. America is voting for the Candidate of Hope, while you,1968camaro, can go ahead and vote for the 'hopeless candidate'. 150,000 Coloradoans came out to se him yesterday. Mccain couldnt get 15000 if he was offering free beer and pizza. Obam in a landslide, get used to it buddy, the REAL Americans are taking back OUR country!
October 27, 2008

8:49 a.m.

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oldbuckaroo writes:

Baa aa aa aa
October 27, 2008

8:56 a.m.

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Norseman writes:

It used to be that the shortest measurable unit of time was the time between when you closed your car door, and then realized you left your keys inside... ;-)
I think that will be tested on the morning of November 5th when neocons slink out into the night to remove the mcpain/falin signs from their front yards.

NRA Member for Obama '08 and '12
October 27, 2008

8:59 a.m.

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DenverDan writes:

I can’t wait for Obama to bring this Country together as one. He is the only one who will bring the Left and right to the middle!
October 27, 2008

9:05 a.m.

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MBR693 writes:

EXrepublican writes:

"1968camaro,
Paved roads, clean tap water, Police force, fire department, Organized military....

All Socialist endeavors."

Afraid not. First of all, you're not an ex-Republican. Secondly, no, these are not socialist endeavors. The examples you give fall into the realm of public finance, not socialism. Socialism is where the government controls the means and outcome of production either directly or indirectly through taxation and tax credits, redistribution of wealth, selling pollution credits, or by any number of means being trumpeted by your candidate. Public finance is where you have public expenditures for services that everyone uses, but where individuals would not fund.
October 27, 2008

9:18 a.m.

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cassidy22 writes:

So....

I have independent thoughts, and have analyzed the campaigns, people and issues involved at depth.

And because my opinion is different than yours, oldbuckaroo, I am now a sheep? I'm afraid not. If you choose to open your eyes and analyze both sides of this situation (too bad there are only 2 sides) then I would be able to say that you AREN'T a sheep. Blindly following your party is what makes you a sheep or a lemming. Evaluating, investigating, educating and analyzing makes you someone who is making an intelligent decision with the data that is available. Are either candidate perfect? NO. Besides the fact they are both politicians, they are both pandering to their party, but I can still see through the lies and the stupid internet myths. And I made my OWN decision. I'm not the sheep here.

But I could say that you are. But I like my sheep too much to compare them to mouthpieces like you.
October 27, 2008

9:19 a.m.

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Beau writes:

Obama is a socialist who believes in redistribution of wealth. This isn't spin -- these are his own words, to Joe the Plumber and in an audio tape from 2001, an astonishing piece of audio that the main stream media is suppressing.

Yes, he's a socialist. Yes, socialism is a failure whenever and wherever it has been tried. But you silly people are going to vote for Mr. Hopeychange, never using your brains to see what is behind all the smooth talk.

I'm extremely sad for my country, that you folks are so ignorant that you're going to vote for your own poverty and misery. On the bright side, when you're unemployed and hungry and prices are sky high, who are you going to blame then? President Bush will be long gone, and you'll only have yourselves and Obama to blame.
October 27, 2008

9:20 a.m.

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October 27, 2008

9:23 a.m.

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UNV_ME writes:

Beau... I am sad that you missed out on a decent education. Either that or you have a hard time paying attention. Wake up.
October 27, 2008

9:25 a.m.

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Coffee_Mug writes:

oldbuckaroo writes:

Baa aa aa aa

Did you forget to take your meds? You are making those funny noises again. It will be okay, just go lay down and rest.
October 27, 2008

9:25 a.m.

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dilligaf writes:

SockRayBlue
GOOD BYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you need help packing? How about a ride to the airport? See not only we benefit by Obama winning we hopefully will get all the Republicans like you to leave. Maybe you all can move up to Alaska. And when they secede from the US Barbie can be your own President. IT'S TIME TO PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!
October 27, 2008

9:25 a.m.

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Dinty writes:

It appears that Barack Obama will become the third member of a new Federal Government troika. A complete Liberal monopoly will then be in place, consisting of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Obama. American voters elevated Pelosi and Reid, left-wing socialists, to “leadership” positions in 2006, under the guise of “change”. That allowed the likes of Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Charles Rangel, and Bob Byrd to assume committee “leadership”, along with similar ilk. Since then, we’ve seen consumer confidence go down, home equities go down, fuel prices go up. unemployment go up, inflation go up, home foreclosures go up, bankruptcies go up, and the stock market go down. But, they did hand out “free money” that they had to borrow. Obama is attracting his followers based upon a mantra of “Change”. Just how much more “change” do you think this country can stand?
October 27, 2008

9:27 a.m.

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Barron writes:

I wonder if some of these crybaby whiners who are so bitter even know what a socialist is, and I challenge any of them to specifically list on this board, specifically, how Obama is a socialist (as opposed to any other politician, e.g. this recent bailout). I also wonder if they realize that by insulting people, calling people sheep, etc., they aren't changing a thing, rather are confirming to us thinking people that we are right.
October 27, 2008

9:28 a.m.

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BroncoRick69 writes:

SockRayBlue :"When this country starts to crumble and fall...." You should have packed your bags and left 8 years ago buddy. Thats when the country suffered such a horrific setback as to have been dumb enough to elect George W. Not only that you idiots elected him twice. I'm not sure what you may call the crisis thats going on right now financially, but the starting to crumble and fall description doesn't seem to be too far off the mark. All under the watchful eye of the republicans And with George W. at the the helm, no less. It's been 8 years, and you cant blame this on the democrats, or this being the effect of what the democrats have done since they have been in control of congress. The partisanship has been ridiculous, and nothing has been accomplished. Everyone however, is painfully aware of who has ultimately been in charge. Bye for now republicans. It's finally almost over.
October 27, 2008

9:28 a.m.

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milesd writes:

We have just had eight years of the redistribution of wealth from 99% of the population to the top 1%.
October 27, 2008

9:28 a.m.

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amaikovich writes:

I went to the rally yesterday and all I can say is, "Oh, my!"

I saw 100,000+ people of all races, religions, old, young, rich, poor, kids playing in trees, men and women in wheelchairs...

Governor Palin likes to talk about her "pro-Americans." I saw America yesterday and it was beautiful.
October 27, 2008

9:29 a.m.

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mrwiizrd writes:

“The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.” – Cicero, 55 B.C.
October 27, 2008

9:30 a.m.

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oldbuckaroo writes:

I asked for a SINGLE LEGISLATIVE ACCOMPLISHMENT of his that qualifies him for the office of leader of the free world.

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still waiting......
October 27, 2008

9:31 a.m.

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RichDen writes:

It's funny how all the Messiah references are coming from the far right. Apparently, the position is open since their savior, George W., didn't exactly meet the qualifications.
October 27, 2008

9:32 a.m.

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Nobama writes:

DenverDan writes:

"I can’t wait for Obama to bring this Country together as one. He is the only one who will bring the Left and right to the middle!"

I hear this naive statement from Obama "followers" frequently. But, I can't imagine why you think it will happen. Obama is fostering class envy and cultural warfare just to get elected. His victory will not eliminate those differences, and his subsequent socialist policies will only exacerbate them. We are not all blindly mesmermized my your Messiah.
October 27, 2008

9:36 a.m.

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Barron writes:

Obama isn't fostering class envy and cultural welfare, rather, the days of corporate welfare and the obscene CEO pilfering of public companies leading to bank failure is coming to an end. Waaa.
October 27, 2008

9:37 a.m.

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dilligaf writes:

Beau
Sounds like you haven't been paying attention. THERE IS MILLIONS UNEMPLOYED AND HUNGRY NOW!!!!!!!!! That is why your party is getting their a-- kicked.
October 27, 2008

9:38 a.m.

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oldbuckaroo writes:

still waiting.......
October 27, 2008

9:45 a.m.

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Support_your_Officers writes:

NObama will bring everyone together... including the people in rural towns the "cling to their bibles and their guns" and the "typical white women" that are afraid of black men.

Nobama is a good speaker and a celebrity NOT a leader.
October 27, 2008

9:45 a.m.

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Nobama writes:

It's hard not to notice the "regular" Liberal Support Group that populates and controls this forum. Just look at the replies that you post. Most of them include personal insults and juvenile slams of others who would dare to voice a civil opinion in disagreement. You are especially fond of using the words "stupid", "dumb", and "idiot". You sound like a bunch of high schools kids in the hall way. Do you want a good example?

"BroncoRick69 writes: You should have packed your bags and left 8 years ago buddy. Thats when the country suffered such a horrific setback as to have been dumb enough to elect George W. Not only that you idiots elected him twice."

I guess the 64,000,000 American voters who re-elected Bush only 4 years ago were all "idiots"? What a simplistic and outlandish statement to make. And, you expect anyone to take you seriously?
October 27, 2008

9:48 a.m.

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Nobama writes:

Another good example? Also, a stunning glimpse into the Liberal intellect displayed on this forum. Wouldn't it have been appropriate to add the word "dude" to the very end?

dilligaf writes:

"GOOD BYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you need help packing? How about a ride to the airport? See not only we benefit by Obama winning we hopefully will get all the Republicans like you to leave. Maybe you all can move up to Alaska. And when they secede from the US Barbie can be your own President. IT'S TIME TO PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!"
October 27, 2008

9:52 a.m.

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Nobama writes:

And then there's this:

Barron writes:

"Obama isn't fostering class envy and cultural welfare, rather, the days of corporate welfare and the obscene CEO pilfering of public companies leading to bank failure is coming to an end. Waaa."

What part of "class envy" do you not understand? And, "Waaa"? Is that supposed to be clever?
October 27, 2008

9:53 a.m.

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DenverDan writes:

Nbama

Your name should be NOBRAINS, NOGIRLFRIEND or maybe NOCLUE. Only you haters on the right would shoot down the idea of us not being divided as we are now. That is why you like people like rushL who love to divide this Country! He hates Libs and Dems. Libs and Dems are AMERICANS not the enemies.
October 27, 2008

9:53 a.m.

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MattGuyver_007 writes:

When Obama is elected I'm only working 20 hours / week and then heading home to nap with the other non-deserving welfare recipients. I may as well go home early since any earnings past the noon hour will go to growing our government even bigger or other 'distributions' Americans never approved.

One question- How can you give a tax cut to those who don't pay taxes anyhow?

One more question- If you increase the already high tax rate that most corporations and small businesses pay do you really think that they will simply eat or write these off as a loss? No, they will just increase the amount you pay for that good or service.

McCain / Palin may not be the answer but neither is Obama / Biden. What to do?
October 27, 2008

9:53 a.m.

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Beau writes:

Socialism is redistribution of wealth. "Spreading the wealth around," to quote Obama.

This means taking money from people who earn it and giving it to people who haven't earned it. The greedy glee of those who haven't earned wealth and are waiting for Obama to seize it and give it to them are all over this message board.

But you're the ones who are going to be surprised. Obama isn't going to "spread the wealth" around to you. During his tenure at the Annenberg Foundation, where he spent $100 million with William Ayers to improve schools, the money got spent and yet the hard-working teachers didn't get higher pay and the schools didn't improve. Chicago schools are among the worst in the nation.

If you want money given to you that you haven't earned, get a gun and go rob someone. Or, you can keep your hands clean and vote for Obama, and he'll do it for you.

Yeah, I'm disgusted by you thieves. You can pretend you're not thieves, but that's exactly what you "spreading the wealth" types are.
October 27, 2008

9:56 a.m.

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homeradam writes:

It's hard to believe that they could find enough low income saps to attend this socialist pig get-together. Why is it that 80% of the military personnel are for McCain. Military people are actually saying that they'll retire of get out before taking orders from a Muslim. Why is it 90% of the Blacks are for Osama? It's a race thing. Why is it that everyone in Wall Street says that the market is going to crash if Osama is elected? This socialist joke who never has had to make an executive decision is going to ruin this country by "Spreading the Wealth". What ever happened to working to make money? No - that's not the democrat way. We'll just steal it form the people who have brains and know how to make money. Osama and the poor make me sick.
October 27, 2008

9:56 a.m.

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Nobama writes:

And they just keep on coming. I guess I've missed the soup lines in the streets. But, it sure is crowded in the regular restaurants, in case you haven't noticed. And there's the typical postscript by dilligaf that sets him apart from others. Oh, and I especially like the multiple exclamation points when there is a lack of substance.

dilligaf writes:

"Sounds like you haven't been paying attention. THERE IS MILLIONS UNEMPLOYED AND HUNGRY NOW!!!!!!!!! That is why your party is getting their a-- kicked."
October 27, 2008

9:57 a.m.

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Barron writes:

nobama, you are completely one-sided. Look a little closer and you can quote hundreds of insults from the other side. And it's hilarious that you are guilty of the exact same thing you accuse others of. LOL!
October 27, 2008

9:57 a.m.

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Mac1 writes:

oldbuckaroo writes: "BTW...biggest flock of sheep I've ever seen. Not one of them can name a SINGLE LEGISLATIVE ACCOMPLISHMENT of his that qualifies him for the office of leader of the free world. And no, "community agitator" and "rabble rouser" don't count. Like I said .... sheep."

During the first 8 (eight) years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 (eight hundred twenty) bills. He introduced 233 (two hundred thirty-three) regarding healthcare reform,

125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.

His *first year* in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 (one hundred fifty-two) bills and co-sponsored another 427 (four hundred twenty-seven).

These included:
1. **The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law,
2. **The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law,
3. **The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act - passed the Senate,
4. **The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, - became law,
5. **The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill - in committee,
6. and many more.
October 27, 2008

9:57 a.m.

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Reason writes:

Obama to crowd- "Off with their heads!"
October 27, 2008

9:58 a.m.

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COLibertarian writes:

Awwwww this is all priceless. In 1 sentence it is bringing people together, followed by name calling and hatred...in the same post. Taking the side of a politician over a fellow member of your community?

Hoping to quiet, even remove a political point of view that you do not believe in? Even the most corrupt countries could not hope for that dedication. That is what civility has become, and what we have to look forward to, no matter the winner in November.

Get rid of the hatred on both sides. Look to each other for working relationships that progress us forward, not down the road of ruin. Political bosses on both sides are having wet dreams reading these posts.
October 27, 2008

9:58 a.m.

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PonchoVia writes:

Nobama, those Obama supporters you cited above are just doing the same type of teasing that they no doubt endured when Bush won the second time, and their talk is tame compared to the nastiness dished out by McCain supporters this whole campaign.

One question: Assuming Obama wins, which I've seen you admit he will in prior posts, will you be a true patriot and wholeheartedly accept Obama as your president?
October 27, 2008

10:02 a.m.

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Nobama writes:

DenverDan writes:

"Nbama

Your name should be NOBRAINS, NOGIRLFRIEND or maybe NOCLUE."

Do you see the juvenile pattern here? I rest my case. This is just too easy. There is no intellectual challenge offered by the Liberal Support Group. And, you KNOW who you are. I'll check back another time and see if there are any adults participating.
October 27, 2008

10:03 a.m.

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Barron writes:

homeradam, state your source that shows 80% of military personnel are for mccain, or did you make that up? Black people generally vote Democrat, to answer your question about 90%, but I would challenge you to state your sources on that as well. Your statement that the 100,000 are low-income is just silly; I'm sure you know that. I'm sorry you are so "sick" because people are exercising their American rights, perhaps you should move somewhere else?
October 27, 2008

10:04 a.m.

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Mac1 writes:

homeradam writes:"Why is it that everyone in Wall Street says that the market is going to crash if Osama is elected?"

In case you haven't noticed. Warren Buffett is endorsing Obama.
October 27, 2008

10:05 a.m.

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Barron writes:

Mattguyer, what to do? You could move somewhere else too! There are plenty of dictator countries to choose from.
October 27, 2008

10:08 a.m.

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COLibertarian writes:

Barron,

Shall we use removable ink or should we brand those that disagree? Should we move them to another part of the country as Dilligaf recommends or just remove them from the country?
October 27, 2008

10:11 a.m.

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riverrafter writes:

Went to the rally and got picked out of the crowd to stand on the bleaches behind the podium- what an amazing experience! He is so charismatic and down to earth- the crowd was just electric. Afterwards, I got to shake his hand. Seeing him up close, he is genuine with people- looking each person in the eye and taking his time greeting and talking with them. I was very impressed, and so glad I went!
October 27, 2008

10:12 a.m.

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MattGuyver_007 writes:

Barron,

Nope, i'll stay right here and fight people like you. In fact, i'll die for my country.
October 27, 2008

10:13 a.m.

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Nobama writes:

PonchoVia writes:

"One question: Assuming Obama wins, which I've seen you admit he will in prior posts, will you be a true patriot and wholeheartedly accept Obama as your president?"

Good civil question. The answer is: Yes. I have always tried to show respect for the Office of President. I think the Office transcends the individual. I actually thought Clinton was OK, until he literally disgraced the office itself. But, I have not noticed that same show of respect for George Bush.

Having said that, I'm very concerned about "changing" the Federal government versus "fixing" it. The former term implies a new type of government instead of cleaning up the corruption that exists in both parties. We don't need knee jerk solutions.
October 27, 2008

10:16 a.m.

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PonchoVia writes:

riverrafter, that's awesome. I was in a crowd very close to the podium in front of Obama. He is truly inspirational. For some reason, the McCain supporters think that eloquence in a president is a flaw. Well, I like Obama's eloquence. It will be nice to have a president who speaks like a president.
October 27, 2008

10:18 a.m.

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Barron writes:

COLib and Matt, just throwing out options, someone asked what to do because all choices were so awful. You can choose to exercise your American rights. As for me, I'll stay right where I am too, but I don't like to fight my fellow Americans. We have enough enemies in the world to be so divided, Matt, so I won't fight you. But I will continue to call you out when you're wrong. Although I laugh and say it's funny, because people are so rabid, really it's tragic. People laugh to keep from crying.
October 27, 2008

10:23 a.m.

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steve62 writes:

All of you "Big Government Republicans" are crybabies. Get used to it; Times They Are A Changin'.
October 27, 2008

10:23 a.m.

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SanctuaryCity writes:

Looks like a group picture of Denvers & Ft Collins lower class(part of the national 40% they are talking about)
October 27, 2008

10:23 a.m.

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LeLo writes:

"During the 2000 campaign, on MSNBC’s “Hardball,” a young woman asked him why her father, a doctor, should be “penalized” by being “in a huge tax bracket.” McCain replied that “wealthy people can afford more” and that “the very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don’t pay nearly as much as you think they do.” The exchange continued:

YOUNG WOMAN: Are we getting closer and closer to, like, socialism and stuff?. . .
MCCAIN: Here’s what I really believe: That when you reach a certain level of comfort, there’s nothing wrong with paying somewhat more."

Huh, interesting set of quotes, don't you think?
October 27, 2008

10:25 a.m.

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cassidy22 writes:

Socialism always fails?

There are countries in Europe and Scandanavia that use Socialist reforms in their government. I don't see them as failing countries.

Communism failed because it was used by tyrants and fascists. It also does not work on large scales, but can work in smaller communities. It's nice in theory, but was implemented as a means of control and oppression, and it didn't work.
October 27, 2008

10:27 a.m.

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LeLo writes:

I like this one too:

"A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, Palin told a visiting journalist that “we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.”

Socialism is defined as "a theory of social organization based on government ownership, management and control of the means of production and the distribution and exchange of goods."

So according to her own words, Palin must be a socialist, huh?
October 27, 2008

10:28 a.m.

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MattGuyver_007 writes:

So abandoning your country is a viable option or anything short of cowardly?

I'm fired up because the two party system is no longer providing Americans with any representation. Honestly, does it matter who is elected? Part of me says Obama would make a better 'Spokesman' for America but how can i vote for someone who wants to GROW government and is such a threat to our 2nd Amendment?

We need to reign in spending and realize we can't save everyone, everywhere.
October 27, 2008

10:29 a.m.

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COLibertarian writes:

Barron,

My friend throwing out options? Please. I understand some of this is in jest, and others I feel are truly filled with hate(I have read your posts here and other threads and do not think you hate). The hate part truly scares me. I have talked to people who spew spittle when talking about this very subject. This goes beyond passion. This approaches hate.

I think the question and answer between Poncho and Nobama was a great example of civility and dialogue. I get accused all the time of being a "right-wing" supporter because I do not bash the current president. I do not like nor support the decisions. I however refuse to resort to un-productive name calling and hate filled rants.

I agree Poncho that the other side has given more than their fare share of hate filled rants and barbs. But truly, does this make it acceptable to retaliate in kind? Or is this a justification for uncivil behaviour? Would you let your children use those types of justifications?
October 27, 2008

10:30 a.m.

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daddyblt writes:

It amazes me to see just exactly how much fear there is behind the possibility of Obama being elected the next president of the United States. I don't think it really has much to do with anything else other than the fact that there are many, many people who resent the fact that someone like Obama made it this far in the presidential election. I don't care what anyone says, Obama is the FIRST TRUE VOICE OF CHANGE this country has had in years! And even if he lacks that "experience" that other presidential nominees have had, I will take my chances. Many of us have been living a nightmare for the last 8 years and I am ready to wake up from it all!

OBAMA 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 27, 2008

10:30 a.m.

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PonchoVia writes:

Nobama, I appreciate your answer. It think McCain supporters underestimate the amount of outrage seething among Americans today who feel strongly that over the past 8 years they have not been listened to at all. Rather than being listened to, they feel they have just been told how things are - and those things were false time and again. For example, they were told that there were WMDs and terrorists in Iraq. Well, we all know that wasn't true and we're now mired in a place where we're spending $10billion/month on a country where people don't even pay taxes, while Americans are losing their jobs, homes and retirement accounts. There is outrage, and I think it's legitimate.

What do Bush failures have to do with anti-McCain sentiment? People see a lot of the same Bush characteristics in McCain. For example, McCain's largely negative campaign has been run by Karl Rove proteges. Given that Rove's despicable attack campaign of 2000 was what crushed McCain then, people see McCain as willing to sell himself out to the worst sorts of people just to win the election. There are many other things people see in McCain that are similar to Bush, not the least of which is that McCain has been very supportive of Bush's policies the past 8 years.

My point is that there is a seething outrage in America that McCain, and I think deservedly so, will bear the brunt of on November 4.
October 27, 2008

10:35 a.m.

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LeLo writes:

Republicans have tried to say Obama betrayed the troops, Obama supports teaching kindergartners about sex, Obama favors infanticide, Obama is secretly a muslim, Obama befriends terrorists.

None of these rediculous statements have helped them.

"The Republican argument of the moment seems to be that the difference between capitalism and socialism corresponds to the difference between a top marginal income-tax rate of 35 percent and a top marginal income-tax rate of 39.6 percent. The latter is what it would be under Obama’s proposal, what it was under President Clinton, and, for that matter, what it will be after 2010 if President Bush’s tax cuts expire on schedule."

From a commentary "Like, Socialism" by Hendrik Hertzberg of The New Yorker. I don't want anyone to accuse me of plagiarism. I thought about rewording, but I think he said it pretty well himself.
October 27, 2008

10:37 a.m.

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PonchoVia writes:

COLibertarian, No, the hate-filled rants and barbs from either side are not justified. In fact, Obama has not and would not engage in or support such hate-filled rhetoric (despite McCain supporter's statements to the contrary). On the contrary, Obama is very genuine when he says he wants to pull this country together. God knows we will have to be united to fix the huge problems facing us when he becomes president.

The hate-filled barbs attest to the seething outrage that most Americans feel toward the Bush administration, which they see as failed and corrupt. And they see McCain as not really any different. Emotions are high. That's why you see tens of thousands of people at Obama rallies. That amount of emotion is tough to dismiss.
October 27, 2008

10:39 a.m.

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riverrafter writes:

Poncho, if you would like to see me, look at the picture on the RMN homepage. i am the one to his left in the picture in the dark purple shirt. Too cool!
October 27, 2008

10:43 a.m.

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PonchoVia writes:

riverrafter, cool!

I gotta work now, but I just want to leave with some words of wisdom from Obama: "There is no red America, there is no blue America, there is the United States of America!"

Rock on folks, we're in this together!
October 27, 2008

10:46 a.m.

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notknowitall writes:

To Oldbuckero: A lemming makes a funny sound, but it in no way sounds like a sheep. Besides a sheep will sometimes show some fear and not go over a cliff, unlike the lemming which will follow a leader that is going over a cliff over and over again until he exists no more. You must be a dumb- A#*
October 27, 2008

10:49 a.m.

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Blacksheep writes:

Old buckaroo is a old bitter white guy that hates the fact the country his evil a$$ kinfolk stole is slowly losing control.
Geoge Bush had experiance and look what it did to the world, how many people lost thier homes? How many people lost thier lives? World trade, Iraq, Virginia Tech, Katrina, all on Mr Bushes clock. Moses spoke to God from a burning Bush. Republicans and Democrats is just as stupid as Crips and Bloods.
October 27, 2008

10:53 a.m.

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mrwiizrd writes:

"35 percent and a top marginal income-tax rate of 39.6 percent. "

Think about those numbers for a minute. They're staggering, just absolutely staggering. People are working 4 months out of the year just to pay federal income tax. Is this America or an episode of the twilight zone?

It's so morally wrong I don't even know where to begin. Oh, but since you're not one of the ones paying it's ok right?

I'll never even get close enough to sniff this tax bracket, ever, but that doesn't make it right to take from someone who has.
October 27, 2008

11:01 a.m.

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MBR693 writes:

"Obama isn't fostering class envy and cultural welfare..."

Actually, he is. When Obama talks about health care being a "right" rather than a "responsibility", there are severe implications. If health care is a responsibility, then I should work hard in order to acquire the means to provide for my family. If a health care plan is a right, and I don't have health care, then I will look with envy upon those who have worked hard and have a better health care plan because I will feel that my rights are being violated. I will then demand that the government be given the arbitrary power to level the playing field by taking from those who have worked hard in order to give to me. The "poor" will resent the "rich" for having more wealth due to some arbitrary philosophical definition of what constitutes one’s rights, and the "rich" will resent the government (and therefore the poor) for taking their hard-earned money to fulfill some principle of fairness which demands arbitrary government.

I work very hard in order to provide to provide a certain standard of living for my family. I don’t work hard so the government can take my money to give to you so your family can have a certain standard of living. If you or anyone else needs help I will be more than charitable. However, the government does not constitutionally have the right to redistribute wealth, unless you hold to an arbitrary definition of “rights”, and believe as the courts, which have discovered that “fairness” is inclusive in our Constitution. That is the essence of redistribution. By definition, it not only requires class warfare, it also furthers class warfare.

It all depends upon your starting point. Does the government exist to guarantee your pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness, or is it incumbent upon the government to make you happy? One view engenders individualism. The other view engenders class envy.
October 27, 2008

11:02 a.m.

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robertzimmerman writes:

Mriizrd

Do you understand the concept of "marginal tax rates?" Here's where you could do some research:

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Ma...

Note: "click" the "link" with your "mouse"
October 27, 2008

11:12 a.m.

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UNV_ME writes:

Arguing with a McCainiac is like arguing with a tree stump. It's brainless, soon to be removed, stubborn because of it's roots, and it's just an eyesore. The people will show up on Nov. 4th to get rid of that dead wood and replant the seeds of change.

Obama/Biden '08
October 27, 2008

11:17 a.m.

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mrwiizrd writes:

robertzimmerman,

I understand perfectly what marginal tax rates are, In fact I deal with them on a daily basis. I think you may have missed my point about why it is morally wrong to "take" from people, but go ahead and try and diffuse my point, notice I didn't even get into state, excise, sales, or any of other many taxes we all pay.

Here's a link for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation...

The top 0.1% of taxpayers by income pay 17.4% of federal income taxes (earning 9.1% of the income), the top 1% with gross income of $328,049 or more pay 36.9% (earning 19%), the top 5% with gross income of $137,056 or more pay 57.1% (earning 33.4%), and the bottom 50% with gross income of $30,122 or less pay 3.3% (earning 13.4%). If the federal taxation rate is compared with the wealth distribution rate, the net wealth (not only income but also including real estate, cars, house, stocks, etc) distribution of the United States does almost coincide with the share of income tax - the top 1% pay 36.9% of federal tax (wealth 32.7%), the top 5% pay 57.1% (wealth 57.2%), top 10% pay 68% (wealth 69.8%), and the bottom 50% pay 3.3% (wealth 2.8%).
October 27, 2008

11:22 a.m.

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jay writes:

mrwiz/mbr, as we've established many, many times....both political parties "redistribute wealth". just because you don't agree with the movement away from trickle down economics doesn't mean that the dems are "socialists"...at least not any more than the republicans.

to disparage one party for the sins of both is just pure political hackery.

as far as healthcare, you can remain in the minority on this issue...or you can embrace the thought of adopting some of the best practices of countries doing healthcare cheaper and better than we are.

the real question is why you would remain in the minority on this one.
October 27, 2008

11:26 a.m.

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rickg19611 writes:

jay writes:

"mrwiz/mbr, as we've established many, many times....both political parties "redistribute wealth"."

Translation..... if you are ok with small taxes to pay for firemen and police officers, then should approve taking trillions from Americans to pay for bloated government programs designed to buy votes for politicians.

Same as the "murder is no different than jaywalking... they're both crimes" excuse.
October 27, 2008

11:27 a.m.

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LeLo writes:

Ah, mrwizzrd, you apparently do not understand how the federal income tax system works.

And perhaps you missed McCain's own words: “the very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don’t pay nearly as much as you think they do.”

A "marginal income-tax rate" is that tax percentage applied to the income of an individual/couple that falls within a specific tax bracket. In order words, in 2008, married filing jointly pay 10% on their income between $0 and $16,050, 15% their income between $16,051 and $65,100, 25% of their income between $65,001 and $131,450, etc., etc.

And this is before ANY deductions, exemptions or credits.

In other words, or more precisely in McCain's words, “the very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don’t pay nearly as much as you think they do.” And NO ONE pays 35% on all their income. Before ANY deductions, exemptions or credits, they may pay 35% on their income above $357,700 (married filing jointly). After deductions, that percentage falls significantly.
October 27, 2008

11:30 a.m.

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mrwiizrd writes:

"as we've established many, many times....both political parties "redistribute wealth". just because you don't agree with the movement away from trickle down economics doesn't mean that the dems are "socialists"...at least not any more than the republicans "

they sure do and I think they are both wrong, but keep on voting for them anyway.

"to disparage one party for the sins of both is just pure political hackery."

couldn't agree more.
October 27, 2008

11:34 a.m.

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LeLo writes:

mrwiizrd, if you do indeed understand marginal tax rates, then you know your statement "people are working 4 months out of the year just to pay federal income tax" is patently false.
October 27, 2008

11:35 a.m.

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mrwiizrd writes:

Lelo, they must just be making this stuff up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:In...
October 27, 2008

11:36 a.m.

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mrwiizrd writes:

This too I guess:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/tax...
October 27, 2008

11:39 a.m.

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Mayor_Quimby writes:

It reminds me of Nuremberg, 1937. The masses following the eloquent speaker with no experience in anything looking for their handout and their "nanny state" to comfort them during an economic slowdown. I pray for our future.
October 27, 2008

11:39 a.m.

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T1anda writes:

Hints that you wont be voting for Obama

1. You aren't a news anchor
2. You read the NewYork Times for pretty much the same reason the NSA monitors radio transmissions
3. You find autobiographies such as Obama's generally more interesting when the author has, you know...DONE something!
4. You remember the Carter administration!
5. You vote for Heroism(McCain) over Terroism(Obama!)
6. You think it's relevant,despite what the Obamabots say...that SEVERAL of Obama's associates and mentors including the G-DAM AMERICA, white hating, Jeremiah Wright have displayed a committed dislike for America or a great disdain for the American people!!
Including his non-proud American wife, who sat along side Obama in Wrights church for 20 years and listened to his hate-filled s**t!!
7. You're not fooled by a smooth talking oily Socialist!
8. YOU WERE NOT BORN YESTERDAY!!

GIVE someone a fish(Obama's Marxist/Socialist ideology) and you feed him/her for a day!
TEACH him/her HOW to fish and you lose a Democrat voter.

Remember Obamabots: " If everyone is thinking alike,then somebody isn't thinking!" George S. Patton

If Obama is elected he won't be anything but a puppet or figure-head for Nancy Pelosi,Harry Reid, Barney Frank etc,and they will CONTINUE to run this country into the ground!! All of the black voters are gonna be pissed.

Obama will NOT be a savior for any of us!!
October 27, 2008

11:41 a.m.

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DenverDan writes:

TheCaptain writes
Eloquence, while it can be inspiring and hope evoking, should not be one of the deciding factors for president in this election.

Being a good solider should not one of the deciding factors either.
Just ask John Kerry! Maybe Education? Well that rules your boy and the Prom Queen.
Maybe voting 90% with Bush! Not looking good for you. Better stick with hate and lies.
October 27, 2008

11:41 a.m.

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LeLo writes:

mrwiizrd, they must just be making this stuff up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US...
October 27, 2008

11:41 a.m.

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BenchBoss writes:

Nobama wrote:
"It's hard not to notice the "regular" Liberal Support Group that populates and controls this forum. Just look at the replies that you post."

I think we're seeing a new type of anger. And it's no longer just Democrats that are angry. Terms like 'liberal' don't even apply anymore. People from both sides are voting against McCain. Notice - I didn't say 'for Obama' because you don't have to like Obama to be sick and tired of the same old, same old. Just like many posts here - the same old, same old.

At this point, these seem to be the last gasp rallying cries for the diehards:
*You don't understand the tax proposals on the table
*You think he's a Muslim terrorist
*Confusion over certain personal records
*You don't understand Socialism
*You think that the Executive Branch can somehow enforce Socialism
*Actually worried about William Ayers
*Are buying Acorn sidebars

Seriously. The election's coming up and this is all you've got? I just don't think the tactics-of-old are working against the American public this time. Feel free to wallow in fear but there are plenty of angry people out there that are sick of hearing about these trivial diversions and are ready for someone new in the White House. Doesn't mean you have to like it. It's just what's going down.
October 27, 2008

12:01 p.m.

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mrwiizrd writes:

"mrwiizrd, if you do indeed understand marginal tax rates, then you know your statement "people are working 4 months out of the year just to pay federal income tax" is patently false."

Let me walk you through it since you seem to have trouble with the math

4 out of 12 months = 33.333333%

Any person with an adjusted gross income greater than $1.3 million would pay AT LEAST 33.33333% in federal income taxes.

There can't be anybody making at least that in AGI since this is patently false right?
October 27, 2008

12:22 p.m.

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kris writes:

What a wonderful day at the Obama rally.. It was positive and enthusiastic. Everyone came together. No bitterness or hatred..... just a feeling of hope and that our country will get back on track....
October 27, 2008

12:25 p.m.

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MattGuyver_007 writes:

Obama, in 2001 Interview, Lamented Failure of Civil Rights Movement to Redistribute Wealth to Blacks.

Nope, I cannot vote for this man.
October 27, 2008

12:38 p.m.

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mrwiizrd writes:

Lelo and robertzimmerman, where did you go? I guess the math doesn't lie does it?
October 27, 2008

12:40 p.m.

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Barron writes:

But Captain, Obama is smarter. Sorry, but it's just the fact. He and Biden both have superior educations to mccain/palin. He has run a smarter campaign. He has made better decisions. He is the better CEO.
October 27, 2008

12:44 p.m.

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Citizen21 writes:

STOP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID!

Even 60 minutes finally got it right. Democrats have caused the economic crisis. The deregulation began in the Clinton administration when democrats pushed to make it easier for everyone to own a home.

The sweeping deregulation of the banking and financial services industries that took place in the 1990s. Not only did it take place under a Democratic president with support from a majority of Democrats in Congress, but that it followed so closely on the heels of the savings and loan crisis, which ought to have served as a cautionary tale on the dangers of deregulation in the banking sector.

In the '70s, Democratic President Jimmy Carter started it off with his efforts at financial deregulation and his Community Reinvestment Act, which encouraged and pressured banks to make loans to those who were theretofore unbankable. In the '90s, Democratic President Bill Clinton had his team push for further financial deregulation and for even more Community Reinvestment Act loans to unqualified borrowers. Clinton sent Budget Director Frank Haines over to head Fannie Mae and encourage lending to anyone who wanted a home.

Bush tried to stop thie Fannie/Freddie debacle and the democratic congress blocked him. McCAin tried to stop it in 2005 and it never made it to the senate.

In 2006, alarmed by Alan Greenspan's warning that these loans presaged a financial fiasco and taxpayer exposure of cataclysmic proportions, Republican Sen. John McCain took to the Senate floor to echo the alarm, introducing legislation to rein in the runaway loans and prevent the coming disaster.

Democratic Rep. Barney Frank, along with every Democrat on his Financial Services Committee, voted against such oversight, proclaiming that he foresaw no financial problems and criticized those who would sound alarm.
October 27, 2008

12:46 p.m.

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LeLo writes:

Where did I go? To lunch, my fine fellow, to lunch.

Again, mrwiizrd, that top marginal tax rate is BEFORE ANY deductions, exemptions and credits. I suspect you know that. Apparently you want to ignore that fact in order to try and prove a point. I guess I would just refer you back to McCain's comment: “the very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don’t pay nearly as much as you think they do.” Are you telling me McCain lied?
October 27, 2008

12:47 p.m.

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leatherneck writes:

I am more affraid of who NOBAMA appoints on the Supreme Court then I am of the messiah himself. There could be at least 2 spots opening because of age. And justices can serve 30 or 40 years..That's all we need is more liberal Supreme Court Justices. Soon NOBAMA will want to rewrite the Constitution.

McCain / Palin 08
October 27, 2008

12:50 p.m.

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leatherneck writes:

for the typo police out there. I know afraid was misspelled...
October 27, 2008

1 p.m.

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T1anda writes:

But citizen21... Liberals don't want FACTS or history concerning the economic mess we all face today. They want to be carressed and stroked and lied to so they can look the other way, while Obama has his way with them! They are in LUV! Ya know??
October 27, 2008

1:06 p.m.

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mrwiizrd writes:

"Apparently you want to ignore that fact in order to try and prove a point"

Did you actually read my post? I think YOU need to brush up on YOUR knowledge of US income tax terminology:

Adjusted gross income (AGI) is a United States tax term for an amount used in the calculation of an individual's income tax liability. AGI is calculated by taking an individuals gross income and subtracting the income tax code's enumerated deductions, and is an important benchmark determining certain other allowed benefits. These deductions are called "above the line" deductions because they are taken while computing a taxpayer's AGI. The AGI is "the line." Itemized deductions are "below the line," and are generally not favored by taxpayers because only the amount exceeding a fixed percentage of their AGI can be deducted. For instance, only business expenses over 2% of AGI and medical expenses over 7.5% of AGI would be eligible for deduction in 2007.

I don't care what McSame said, he's almost as bad as Nobama, and I didn't vote for either, and since when did either one of these socialists become an expert on US income tax practices?
October 27, 2008

1:10 p.m.

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Ahab337 writes:

I voted for Obama this morning. I encourage everybody to get out and vote early.

Obama/Biden '08
October 27, 2008

1:17 p.m.

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LeLo writes:

Hey citizen21, T1anda, etc., did not the Republicans control the Senate, 55-45, in 2005? So if McCain "tried to stop the Fannie/Freddie debacle ... in 2005 and it never made it to the Senate" would it not have been the Majority leadership, i.e. Republicans, who kept it from reaching the Senate floor?

In fact, Republicans controlled the House from the time Bush took office until January 3, 2007, and the Senate from January 3, 2003 to January 3, 2007. So if he, McCain and the rest of their Republican friends tried so hard to "stop the Fannie/Freddie debacle" as you claim, why did they not get it done? They controlled both the executive and legislative branches of government. You would think they could accomplish what you are telling us was a huge focus of theirs. Either your claims are revisionist history, or the Repubs were just inept. I would tend to think it is a little bit of both.
October 27, 2008

1:35 p.m.

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Barron writes:

Captain:
McCain has no presidential experience. His military record doesn't qualify him for presidency, in my opinion. A good president appoints the right people to their administration, which I'm confident Obama will do (there will be no Palins, that's for sure). McCain's first executive decision (his choice of VP), was a disaster and says volumes about his judgement. Obama doesn't associate with known terrorists, and unfortunately for those who try to perpetrate that lie, people can read. Quit trying to pin him on someone he barely knows (a college professor, by the way). If that's the best you can come up with try to tear Obama down, you lose. Money didn't win Obama the campaign - intelligence did. His campaign was just smarter. The money came from the people - not big business. Sorry captain, but right-wing propoganda isn't working any more.
October 27, 2008

1:38 p.m.

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Citizen21 writes:

T1anda - thank you.

Further, there is a big difference in right and wrong. And there is something to be said about personal accountability and character. Obama is eloquent, but this alone does not make him a great leader. He has shady associations and is running his campaign coverage equal to and positioned as if this was some sort of Hollywood movie premier. He has skilfully used to media to sell himself as the young upcoming star.

There are a lot of reasons I don’t agree with Obama, mostly his far left voting record and his wide-spread support of liberal social programs. Take a look at his voting record and his writing in his books, it is extremely liberal. To me, it does border on socialism.

Let’s not forget his promise of change. How can Obama be an instrument of change with his choice of Biden as his VP. Yes, Biden has experience – he is representative of "Good ole' Boy" Washington. But isn't this what the Obama ticket stated he opposed - doesn't he speak ever so eloquently that we need change in the administration? Didn't Obama promise to shake up washington?

Obama's vice presidential search team-One of the team members was former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson, whose associations with sub-prime lender Countrywide Financial and other corporations touched off a controversy that led to his resignation.
Obama - “So it’s pretty clear to me and it’s pretty clear to the American people that time served doesn’t guarantee judgment. A resume says nothing about character.”
What is he saying about Biden, a long-time member and current chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee? .By his own choices in staff and his VP pick, Obama is confirming that “He can talk the talk, but can't walk the walk”!

And what does this say about Obama’s character. Not to mention his very shady and scandalous close associations – Ayers, Rezko, ACORN… etc.

McCain, has foreign policy experience. Obama does not. I’m not ready to have a “Commander and Chief” who has little to no understanding of how precarious the US relationships are with other countries. The US is the big kid on the schoolyard – and with that comes great responsibility—Obama does not seem to get that.
October 27, 2008

1:42 p.m.

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Ahab337 writes:

TheCaptain,

I've heard this time and time again, and it's like people either aren't listening or just don't care. Obama's tax plan will give a TAX CUT to 95% of Americans. Yet you and McCain keep contradicting this and saying he's going to raise taxes. Then you try to associate him with terrorists, when in fact you're doing nothing more than buying into Republican propaganda.

There's a saying that says, "You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time." 100,000 plus crowd, and they showed up after they've had plenty of time to look at the two candidates and hear all the debates and decide FOR THEMSELVES who they think is the best choice for president.

Obama/Biden '08
October 27, 2008

1:49 p.m.

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sbnative writes:

From The Audacity of Hope: “I will stand with the MUSLIMS should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
Incredibly, we have no definitive explanation of why a global financial crisis suddenly materialized just six weeks before U.S. elections. IF SUBPRIME loans hadn't happened in the FIRST place there wouldn't have been PRODUCT to bundle, sell and mutilate. DEMOCRATS headed the FINANCE committees that fought reform.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2...
Left-leaning hedge fund operators poured their profits into Democrats & Obama.
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/soros-b...
Who Is the Economic Meltdown REALLY benefiting?
HAMAS PRAISES OBAMA AGAIN -- and Biden, Too. Ahmed Yousef says that the terrorist group would send Obama a congratulation letter "the moment he will win the election." BIDEN warns us to “gird our loins.”
AL-JEEZRA FOR OBAMA http://www.aim.org/aim-column/al-jaze...
Before you VOTE please visit: www.actforamerica.org & see VOTER GUIDE.
Act for America is dedicated to educating the West about the spread of radical Islam.
October 27, 2008

1:54 p.m.

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5thgennative writes:

Ahhh...thanks you guys! You are slowly restoring my faith in our country! And yes, stop drinking the kool-aid!

McCain/Palin 08
October 27, 2008

2 p.m.

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LeLo writes:

Yes, yes, we all know sbnative, Obama is secretly a radical muslin planted by international Jihadists to take over the US government. He is also a commie, he betrayed the troops, he supports teaching kindergartners about sex, he favors infanticide, he hangs out with terrorists. Blah, blah, blah.

This BS has not worked, it is not going to work, and the election is over. The majority of the American electorate is ignoring the Rovian campaign tactics. Obama is your next president. Deal with it.
October 27, 2008

2:20 p.m.

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BenchBoss writes:

Citizen21 wrote:
"The US is the big kid on the schoolyard".

Not anymore. We WERE the big kid on the schoolyard. Only Bush could find a way to ruin any post-9/11 goodwill by going after Iraq. There were worldwide candlelight vigils and shows of support from even historical enemies. Somehow, in 7 years, we've managed to turn that opportunity to being the a__hole-of-the-planet.

And, now, McCain wants to apply a Cold War mindset to dealings with Russia. He also wants to continue spending $10 billion/month in Iraq with no end in sight. Now, we're attacking Syria. WooHoo!

With foreign banks and companies investing in our troubled economy, we're losing leverage. Say a company or country takes issue with a foreign policy issue. Suddenly, they have a little more to say about it because they have ownership in the United States.
October 27, 2008

2:20 p.m.

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Fisherman writes:

I've never seen such a gathering of ingorant people in all my life.
October 27, 2008

2:30 p.m.

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Coffee_Mug writes:

sbnative writes:
"DEMOCRATS headed the FINANCE committees that fought reform. "

McCain was actually the chairman of the senate commerce committee in 2005 that led the for more DE-regulation. But the he says he fought hard for more regulation. The bill he signed onto, in 2006, had already been submitted to the senate, a republican senate, by the way, and was past over.
October 27, 2008

2:38 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

LeLo, the majority was slim in 2005. All it would take is nearly every Democrat and a small number of Republicans for a bill to pass.

How things really 'change' under Obama: Over the weekend, the $250,000 number quoted by Obama as the line between rich and middle class has been dropped to $200,000. Why is he changing it?

Also, if Obama says he won't raise taxes on the middle class, will he get more money for his spending programs by letting Bush's tax cuts expire in 2009, basically resulting in a tax increase on the middle class?
October 27, 2008

2:38 p.m.

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riverrafter writes:

fisherman, you're talking about your family reunion, right?
October 27, 2008

2:51 p.m.

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UNV_ME writes:

I just turned in my mail-in ballot at 3888 Mexico Ave. today and voted for "that guy". I'm optimistic but not counting my chips just yet... I know there's a ton of people that are happy with the economy, happy with spending billions and billions in the middle east, happy with how we are viewed as a nation, and happy in their ignorance and stubbornness. So McCain will receive their votes.
October 27, 2008

3:02 p.m.

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jay writes:

we come back to the same place with the loyal footsoldiers every day here.

whine.

myths.

conspiracy theories.

rationalizations.

shifting blame.

ain't gonna work this year.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com
October 27, 2008

3:21 p.m.

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Cwillyrun1 writes:

jay, are you describing your latest visit to the bathroom?

Seriously...... your post was the same old, lame lines you use every day. Tell you what, answer the questions I posted above a short time ago. Don't provide a link...... just answer if you can.

ahab, that $250,000 number that's been thrown out over and over by Obama's camp has been dropped to $200,000. Why'd Obama lower the amount to include more people defined as rich? "Change" is a great idea, isn't it?
October 27, 2008

3:40 p.m.

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jay writes:

does your question have anything to do with actual policy stances, cwilly?

about which stances of obama's are you still confused?
October 27, 2008

3:50 p.m.

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LeLo writes:

He's a commie.

No, wait, this is just like Nazi Germany.

Blah, blah, blah.

Seriously, Cwillyrun1, MaximusM, et al, the Rovian tactics are not working. The election is over. Jay is right. Ain't going to work this year.

Come November 5, President Barack Hussein Obama will have significant majorities in both houses of Congress, and the Republicans' dream of a permanent majority will have been crushed by their own incompetence. You can dismiss this fact by suggesting that the majority of the voting public is ignorant, blind, infected by mass hsyteria. Whatever. Again, none of the ranting matters. The fat lady is warming up. You lose. Deal with it.
October 27, 2008

4:08 p.m.

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Citizen21 writes:

Food for thought... Congress has done nothing in the past 8 years to stop the economic crisis; blames the Bush administration for a vote they cast on the war; and what....? Not much. We should be angry at our government for not doing their job. We do need change. But, my question is, will we get it with Obama? I don't believe it will be the change we need. He is too far to the left, more social programs - I'd rather cut spending and put efficiencies in place in the current ones.

Let's also hold congress accountable for the past few years!

SINCE VOTING IN A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS IN 2006 AND SINCE NANCY PELOSI BECAME SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE:
* Consumer confidence plummet;
* Regular gasoline soar from $2.19 to over $4.00 a gallon;
* Unemployment 6.1% (a more than 15% increase);
* American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate
* 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
* Stock market drop BELOW 11,000.
* Billion dollar banks needing to be bailed out
* Reports that over 150 smaller banks could be gone in 2009
* Highest inflation rate in over 27 years
* Longest congress has gone without passing a spending bill in over 20 years.
* Congress having an 11% approval rating (even lower than the president's)
* Pelosi BLOCKING a vote in the house on offshore drilling to ease gas prices.
October 27, 2008

4:25 p.m.

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TimeLord writes:

Not to be outdone, John McCain will attempt to draw over 100 people to a Florida rally with an early-bird special offer.
October 27, 2008

4:30 p.m.

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jay writes:

citizen21, i ask the same question every time someone tries to pass the blame for The Track Record to the dems and have yet to receive an answer that contained actual policy decisions.

can you give us the particular policy decisions initiated and passed by the dems since taking a slim majority in 2007 that caused the list of woe you've provided?
October 27, 2008

5:17 p.m.

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Citizen21 writes:

Jay, the fault should be on both the republican congress and the democratic congress from the past 8-years. But here is a shot…

As of November 2007, Congress had not passed any of the twelve annual spending bills for the last fiscal year, which ended on October 1st. They weren’t even able to vote on the defense authorization bill before they went home for their summer recess. Of the forty pieces of legislation intended to withdraw the troops from Iraq voted on by the 110th Congress, only one made it to the President’s desk, and President Bush vetoed it.

Passed a $50 billion alternative-minimum-tax (AMT) bill that shattered Dems pledge not to add to the federal budget deficit.

Congress approved an $800 billion extension of the national debt

(continued in next post)
October 27, 2008

5:18 p.m.

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Citizen21 writes:

Congress was not idle. No Congress in 20 years has passed more resolutions — more than 1,900, according to a tally by the nonpartisan Taxpayers for Common Sense. These are the top 10 as rated by Taxpayers for Common Sense (I recognize the Senate as well as the House are represented below):
1. S.RES.440: A resolution recognizing soil as an essential natural resource, and soils professionals as playing a critical role in managing our Nation's soil resources.
2. S.RES.262: A resolution designating July 2007 as "National Watermelon Month".
3. H.RES.216: Congratulating the men's volleyball team of the University of California, Irvine, for winning the 2007 NCAA Division I Men's Volleyball National Championship.
4. S.RES.180: A resolution recognizing the 70th anniversary of the Idaho Potato Commission and designating May 2007 as "Idaho Potato Month".
5. H.RES.630: Congratulating the Warner Robins Little League Baseball Team from Warner Robins, Georgia, on winning the 2007 Little League World Series Championship.
6. H.RES.970: Expressing support for designation of June 30 as "National Corvette Day".
7. H.RES.1050: Recognizing Pittsfield, Massachusetts, as being home to the earliest known reference to the word "baseball" in the United States as well as being the birthplace of college baseball.
8. H.RES.89: Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that a day should be established as Dutch-American Friendship Day to celebrate the historic ties of the United States and the Netherlands.
9. H.RES.892: Expressing support for designation of a "National Funeral Director and Mortician Recognition Day".
10. H.RES.483: Recognizing the 63rd Anniversary of Big Bend National Park, established on June 12, 1944.

I will give them this -- Congress boosted spending on veterans' needs and overhauled ethics and lobbying rules. They did raise the minimum wage: plus or minus, you decide. A year after Democrats won control of Capitol Hill, Congress resoundingly overturned Bush’s veto of a $23 billion water resources measure -- the first veto override of Bush's presidency.

But, they also passed an impeachment resolution of Vice President Cheney. They got rid of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. They found time to craft a dangerous resolution condemning Turkey for an alleged genocide that happened almost a century ago against Armenians. They found time to promote their alternative foreign policy by bungling Middle East diplomacy with Syria’s dictator Bashar Assad. They also censured radio host Rush Limbaugh.

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/200...
October 27, 2008

7:45 p.m.

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jay writes:

i guess i was hoping for actual policy decisions that led to the woes that you listed, citizen.

if you have any, please point them out.

in the meantime, i think a little perspective on where to place the blame for the last 8 years is certainly warranted.

you simply can't say that even HALF of the blame lies on the shoulders of dems that took a slim majority in congress in 2007.

but i don't blame you folks for trying...i wouldn't want to claim The Track Record either.

it's cost you congress and is about to cost you the white house.

i think it's a good example of what is right with our country.

do a poor job...you don't get reelected.

do a good job...keep your seats.

can't really argue with that.
October 27, 2008

9:30 p.m.

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awakenedcitizen writes:

He is giving you a chance for responsibillty and accountability. To be an engaged citizen. To take care of yourself, to be involved in your community.....
October 28, 2008

5:49 a.m.

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diggtbks writes:

Citizen21 writes:

"SINCE VOTING IN A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS IN 2006 AND SINCE NANCY PELOSI BECAME SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE:
* Consumer confidence plummet;
* Regular gasoline soar from $2.19 to over $4.00 a gallon;
* Unemployment 6.1% (a more than 15% increase);
* American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate
* 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
* Stock market drop BELOW 11,000.
* Billion dollar banks needing to be bailed out
* Reports that over 150 smaller banks could be gone in 2009
* Highest inflation rate in over 27 years
* Longest congress has gone without passing a spending bill in over 20 years.
* Congress having an 11% approval rating (even lower than the president's)
* Pelosi BLOCKING a vote in the house on offshore drilling to ease gas prices."

amen
October 28, 2008

8:05 a.m.

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jay writes:

i'll ask you the same question i asked citizen, digg...in the hope you'll actually answer with specific policy stances...

can you give us the particular policy decisions initiated and passed by the dems since taking a slim majority in 2007 that caused the list of woe citizen provided?

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