Obama leads McCain by 12 points in Colorado polls
Poll: Unaffiliated voters shifting to Dem candidate
By M.E. Sprengelmeyer, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published October 24, 2008 at 9:12 p.m.
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Sen. Barack Obama has surged to a commanding, double-digit lead in Colorado amid soaring anxiety about the country's direction and a massive shift of independent voters into the Democratic column, a new poll finds.
After weeks of devastating economic news, Obama now leads by 12 percentage points - 52 percent to 40 percent - in the latest Rocky Mountain News/CBS4 News poll.
"Clearly, the beginning of October is not a happy time in American history, and voters are sort of internalizing the financial crisis," said pollster Lori Weigel.
Since early August, when Colorado independents were almost evenly split between the two presidential candidates, Obama has opened up a more than 2-to-1 advantage in that pivotal voting group, the poll found.
In the latest survey, only 11 percent of Coloradans said the country was heading in the right direction, while 83 percent said it was on the wrong track.
At a time when Republicans control the White House, that pessimism has created a steep climb for Sen. John McCain, who is now struggling to stay competitive in Colorado and several other states that President Bush carried in 2004.
"You've got a difficult war. You've got now a very, very pessimistic electorate that's laser-focused on the economy as an issue," Weigel said. "There are plenty of campaigns that have had to run uphill. This is not running uphill. This is downhill skiing uphill."
The survey of 500 likely Colorado voters was conducted Tuesday through Thursday by Public Opinion Strategies of Alexandria, Va., the largest Republican polling firm in the country. Obama's lead was well outside the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 4.38 percentage points.
Longtime Democratic consultant Rick Ridder, who consulted on the poll, said the economic tempest has created a tidal wave for change.
Obama has been able to "get on the surfboard" and ride the wave, Ridder said.
The new poll shows Obama has made marked gains among numerous crucial voting blocks since this summer.
A Rocky Mountain News poll in August gave McCain a 3 percentage point lead overall, and wider leads among seniors, middle-age voters and anyone over age 35. But in the latest survey, that advantage is gone. Obama leads among every age group, including the over-65 crowd.
"People talk about the extraordinary support that Barack Obama has, for instance, among youth voters," Ridder said. "Yes, he does. But he has broadened that coalition significantly . . . now to older voters as well."
The biggest shift is among unaffiliated voters, who now outnumber Republicans as the largest voting group in the state.
In August, Obama led among independents by 2 percentage points, 36 percent to 34 percent. In the new poll, he led 58 percent to 27 percent, and the advantage was little changed based on the age or gender of the independents.
Back then, McCain had a double-digit lead among men, but that's down to a 2 percentage-point edge. Meanwhile, the poll shows Obama has opened up a 24 percentage point advantage among Colorado women, 58 percent to 34 percent, mirroring a trend that has been reported in polls throughout the country.
Weigel calls it part of "a tidal shift."
"Every single subgroup is decidedly more Democratic today in Colorado," she said.
The poll results were released Friday, when McCain was campaigning in the state and the stock market yet again was dropping hundreds of points.
"I'm never one to count John McCain out. The man does his best when his back's against the wall," Weigel said. "Obviously, this is difficult and challenging data."
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October 24, 2008
10:21 p.m.
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EZBakeOven writes:
This is great news. I think I'll go carve a backward "B" on my face to celebrate :)
October 24, 2008
10:26 p.m.
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jay writes:
this data mirrors the trends in nearly every one of the battleground states.
the cons are going to have to pull off a lot of hate and fear in the next 10 days to make a difference.
October 24, 2008
10:31 p.m.
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palequ47 writes:
All well and good, but polls don't win elections, votes do.
Obama/Biden '08
October 24, 2008
10:37 p.m.
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RegLib writes:
palequ47: Absolutely right! Obama supporters, don't get complacent. The only way to insure that Republican dirty tricks, voter suppression, and vote stealing are ineffective is to make this a landslide.
October 24, 2008
10:40 p.m.
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EZBakeOven writes:
I turned in my ballot today. Obama/Biden all the way!
October 24, 2008
10:54 p.m.
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IndependentSpirit writes:
Voted for Obama this afternoon. People can vote all day Saturday here in Broomfield. I believe more than half the voters will have voted by next Friday.
October 24, 2008
11:10 p.m.
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FCZ writes:
Does this include the 11,000 missing mail-in ballots?
October 24, 2008
11:26 p.m.
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DiamondDragon53 writes:
EXCELLENT!!!!!
October 24, 2008
11:40 p.m.
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EXrepublican writes:
I voted today too. It felt good, not bridled by party affiliation.
Obama/Biden '08
October 24, 2008
11:54 p.m.
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ColoradoDave writes:
Get out and vote! Make sure it's not close.
Obama/Biden 2008!
Obama/Biden 2012!
October 24, 2008
11:59 p.m.
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Brunowolfe writes:
GOP whining in 3....2....1....
October 25, 2008
12:26 a.m.
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trailertrash writes:
Isn't it a little premature to be rooting for Obama/Biden in 2012? For all you know, Obama could be a total disaster as president. After all, he's accomplished nothing of note as a rookie senator that would predict his performance in the oval office. Lots of flowery words and promises, though!
Oh, I forgot- Obama's the messiah, so we might as well crown him Emperor for Life right now.
All hail the Chosen One!
October 25, 2008
12:34 a.m.
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middleclasstia writes:
Middle Class Citizens! This is great and should help to cut through all the back and forth going on between the candidates. Obama-Biden have a Tax Calculation which lets you see how much you'd save under his tax plan, it's on their website, www.barackobama.com. We, my husband and I, will save $1300 a year under Obama's plan, only $300 under McCain's. Pretty cool! I didn't believe for one moment that the man who couldn't even bring himself to utter the words "Middle Class" during any of the debates or his campaign would really be trying to help me and my family. Now I can "see" the difference. With the price of gas and groceries continuing to climb, an extra $100+ a month would go along way. I don't care what color the president is, especially if his plans help my bottomline. Sincerely yours, from the Middle Class (where we don't pretend we are upper class and don't knowingly vote for people who make the upper class wealthier)!
October 25, 2008
12:48 a.m.
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BenchBoss writes:
trailertrash:
Speaking of 2012, there's a very good chance McCain won't be here to see it. Whoever gets elected will have to answer for their decisions for the rest of their lives. Say McCain screws up. So what? He's out......
October 25, 2008
1:15 a.m.
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freemarketworks writes:
Great... 4 years of Jimmy Carter-esque government with a corrupt, South Chicago twist. Congratulations Dems! You've managed to make the U.S. nothing more than a Banana Republic. If we make it through the next 4 years, my bet is that Obama will go down as the most spineless, corrupt President in U.S. history...
October 25, 2008
1:34 a.m.
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BenchBoss writes:
It's okay. You're gettin' there......
Five Stages Of Grief
1. Denial and Isolation.
At first, we tend to deny the loss has taken place, and may withdraw from our usual social contacts. This stage may last a few moments, or longer.
2. Anger.
The grieving person may then be furious at the person who inflicted the hurt (even if she's dead), or at the world, for letting it happen. He may be angry with himself for letting the event take place, even if, realistically, nothing could have stopped it.
3. Bargaining.
Now the grieving person may make bargains with God, asking, "If I do this, will you take away the loss?"
4. Depression.
The person feels numb, although anger and sadness may remain underneath.
5. Acceptance.
This is when the anger, sadness and mourning have tapered off. The person simply accepts the reality of the loss.
October 25, 2008
3:12 a.m.
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Oh_Wise_One writes:
Benchboss- are you going to riot when The One loses? Please burn down your own house first and then your moms. Thanks.
October 25, 2008
5 a.m.
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AZdenverfan writes:
You guys are right, the only way Obama loses this lead is if the Republicans pull of their dirty tricks and their fear tactics. Because only the Republicans use these tactics. Democrats don't do this at all. They are totally honest and good politicans (even though such a phrase doesn't exist). I'm a Republican but unlike Dems at least I admit that both parties are exactly the same at their roots - they are politicians and in the end they are all the same. I couldn't care less who wins this election but at least I am smart enough to realize that each party has its pluses and minuses. Neither one is exactly right or wrong. Obama isn't going to save us all, and McCain isn't going to run us into the ground, despite what you may think you know. It's funny, you all may think you have this savior and are saying "wake up America and vote for Obama." But really, that's not going to change anything. He's not this great change that you all think he is. If you really want to be accurate, you need to be out there preaching "wake up America, and if we really want a change we need to get away from this 2 party system and have at least 3 strong parties, if not more." That's what our focus needs to be on. Only then will we see true change. But until then, I'll still be a Republican supporter, but I'm not going to be blind and ignorant and act like my party has all the answers to every problem in the world.
October 25, 2008
5:14 a.m.
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windbourne writes:
>>If we make it through the next 4 years, my bet is that Obama will go down as the most spineless, corrupt President in U.S. history...
Too late. You neo-cons have that distinction.
reagan ran up monster deficit and when we got a bloody noise in beruit, he showed the yellow belly that he had. Worse, that encouraged AQ.
And W had an easily traceable fear of serving in 'nam, unlike ppl like al gore and john kerry. In addition, W ran up an even larger deficit than did reagan.
And both reagan and W certainly have some of the most corrupt admins of the last 100 years (there was another pub that was more corrupt than both of them, but these 2 remain in the top 4). Iran-Contra; The numerous ppl serving reagan that went to prison or even simply fired.
No, my prediction is that Obama is going to run a clean admin. What I want to know is, will he release the reagan papers that W pushed an XO to prevent and will he fully investigate W's actions? I am sick and tired of each successive admin allowing the previous ones to go. Ford issued a pardon to Nixon; Poppa Bush issued a pardon to reagan. W allowed libby to go, and will almost certainly pardon a NUMBER of neo-cons in the coming months.
As for spineless, I suspect that few countries will feel the need to take us on. Obama is far more likely to get honest agreements in place, rather then resorting to name calling. I would not be surprised to see him capture OBL, where as their is enough evidence about tora bora to indicate that W did not want OBL captured, even though we had him and his top ppl. It would have ended this nightmare far too early.
My suggestion to neo-cons like yourself, is to think before you open your mouth.
October 25, 2008
6:06 a.m.
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Buffs writes:
windbourne,
Since you can predict the future, can you give me the winning powerball numbers for tonight?
Don't blame Obama, blame your fellow Repub candidate McCain for picking a vice president based on his own agenda and not in the true interest of the American people. He did say in an interview last week that "she was his first choice after not knowing much about her". Those were his quotes and if you stand by his decision then I question your judgement as well.
I'll be awaiting those powerball numbers and will even be kind enough to share my winnings with you. :)
October 25, 2008
6:10 a.m.
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Buffs writes:
windbourne,
My apologies, my comments were meant for trailertrash!
Obama/Biden 08
October 25, 2008
7:04 a.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
This just shows McCain/Palin have been appealing to their base the past month or two, and they haven't said anything new that the independent voters want to hear.
It's not the economy's failure that has undermined the McCain campaign. It's McCain/Palin's failure to address issues that are relevant to independent voters.
Vote Obama/Biden for change and unity.
October 25, 2008
7:13 a.m.
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oceanview78382 writes:
Check this out from the national polls 80% of Bush supporters make up McCain's base and that's about all that's left.
Colorado unlike the south is better educated and Gallup or any of the others that look at education show 2 things
A. if you didn't graduate from High School - you're for McCain 2-1
B if you have some graduate school - Obama 3-2
The dummies and rednecks are going to LOSE big time!
October 25, 2008
7:55 a.m.
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stella writes:
Wow, how insulting, oceanview! I'm in the B category and I emphatically support the McCain/Palin ticket. Your brush is too broad and hopefully you get a big surprise on the evening of Nov. 4th.
October 25, 2008
7:58 a.m.
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windbourne writes:
oceanview78382 ,
another way to look at it;
if you are on welfare or headed for it, you are a republican.
Based on another poll looking at the rich, it showed that
those who were worth 1-10 million overwhelmingly voted pub. Those worth more than 30 million, voted obama.
Many of those worth more than 30 million, were saying that they were voting in favor of the country and not their pocketbook.
October 25, 2008
8:06 a.m.
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mmannino writes:
The voters may prefer Obama but investors are voting with their dollars. Investors do not like the coming wave of socialism and government control. Investors are panicking about Democrat control of government. Investors do not like the tax plan (spread the wealth), labor laws (card check enabling unions everywhere and comparable worth laws), CO2 limits (regulation everywhere), trial lawyer tax cuts (litigation everywhere), nationalized health care (health care rationing), new energy economy (high energy prices and energy rationing), guaranteed investment accounts (401K seizure), and many new proposed taxes such as wage insurance. You should be ready for many years of rough economic times with the end of prosperity. The only hope is to work in an industry favored by the Democrats (government, alternative energy, education, ...). You should make plans to supply your own power. Energy shortages and very high prices are coming in 5 to 10 years.
October 25, 2008
8:06 a.m.
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sunshinestate writes:
Colorado hunters and conservationists can be confident in Obama...see the recent Field & Stream magazine McCain/Obama interviews
October 25, 2008
8:07 a.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
Obama supporters (e.g., oceanview), be nice! I'm voting for Obama because he's a genuine, patriotic American, and he would NEVER make polarizing comments about "dummies and rednecks". Perhaps the two characteristics I like most about Obama is his humility and grace when discussing his opponents. Do you remember in the last debate when he was asked about Sarah Palin? He was completely gracious in speaking about her. He could have gotten all negative and attacked her, but he didn't - he said she was a competent and capable politician. When people have begun spouting negative stuff at his rallies, Obama is the FIRST to stop it.
Obama supporters, please be humble and gracious.
Obama will win, and I'm confident he will bring us together - all of us, even the voters on the farthest right of the spectrum.
October 25, 2008
8:10 a.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
mmannino, your statement is inconsistent with the recent nationalization of the banks. Investors are supposed to have really liked the nationalization of the banks, which was initiated and expedited by the Bush admin.
October 25, 2008
8:36 a.m.
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mmannino writes:
PonchoVia,
Obama is not going to unite the country. He has united the far left. Rather than unite, he will attempt to silence his critics. He now supports imposition of the fairness doctrine, a Draconian measure to stomp out the entiry industry of talk radio. He also intends to crush economic freedom by imposition of confiscatory tax rates, endless litigation, stifling regulation, punishing labor laws, and wealth confiscation (401Ks and death taxes). His model and the Democratic play book involve crushing competiton, not uniting. The left in South America will provide the model for Democratic control here. The left in South America takes no prisoners.
October 25, 2008
8:45 a.m.
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CoLoradoCitizen writes:
Bush's LACK of Economic Policy has this country reeling into Depression. McCain voted with the pin-head 90% of the time. Yet STILL! claims he's a "Maverick". Does he even Listen to the nonsense he is desperately saying to try to get votes? Why would ANYbody vote for the political party that put our economy in this mess?
McCain was OPPOSED to Dubbya's tax cuts. He said they'd create tremendous debt. He was right. But now, for votes, he's flip-flopped.
McCain is on record for two decades opposing off-shore drilling and drilling in Alaska. He said it is too hard on the ecological system. BUT WAIT! For votes, now he's FLIP-FLOPPED, and for the last 4 months, is FOR it.
John McSame and Sara Pain will say ANYTHING to get votes. Sadly, many don't even comprehend what they're doing.
October 25, 2008
8:46 a.m.
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CoLoradoCitizen writes:
Make-Believe Maverick
A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/cove...
October 25, 2008
8:55 a.m.
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boardbike writes:
Polls mean nothing unless people show up. Get out and vote no matter what! Let's turn Colorado BLUE!
GO OBAMA/BIDEN!
October 25, 2008
8:55 a.m.
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ghoax writes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYWbpI...
October 25, 2008
8:59 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
mmannino
It's funny I read that Obama has made gains on the independent voters. So I would say he has united more then the far left. Face it the only ones he hasn't are the far right that still believe Bush has done a great job, Nixon didn't do anything wrong, and would vote for Bin Laden if he ran on the Republican ticket. As far as you neo-cons playing this anti socialism card last night I watch the Palin interview with Brian Williams and she said she will push for funding for special needs children. Which is great. But I ask you.
Isn't that socialism? Shouldn't their parents take responsibility for that. I get confused on where you cons draw the line on who we help and who we don't.
October 25, 2008
9 a.m.
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FCZ writes:
Joe Biden Angered by Tough Questions
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-glad...
October 25, 2008
9:01 a.m.
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T1anda writes:
Obama's Rules for Socialized Aquisition:
1. To each according to his/her ability to work the system!
2. Compassion without coercion is useless!
3. Never ask,when you can use the government to take!
4. The vast majority of business owners are undertaxed!
5. All we want is what's yours
6. Monopoly is evil unless, of course, the government runs it!
7. If a government program fails...Repeat!
8. Every rake needs to be stepped on twice!
9. Never feed the hungry on an empty stomach!
10.Always know who you are buying!!
11.When in doubt throw friends,acquaintences, relatives under the bus!
12.Be clean articulate, and non-thinking!
13.Make sure there isn't a gaffe by a Democrat politician that the media won't overlook!
14.Talk is cheap. HEAP it generously on the uninformed public! (Obamabots!)
15 Entitlements is the easiest way to enslave a population!
GIVE someone a fish you feed him/her for one day,(Obama's big Government intrusion plans!)
TEACH someone to fish(freedom to choose!) and you lose a Democrat voter!!!
October 25, 2008
9:02 a.m.
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fishoutawater writes:
I just voted for Obama! Sweeet!
October 25, 2008
9:13 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
ghoax
This just in. Your hate and fear ploys aren't working. Obama is taking red states and will probably brake a record for the number of Republicans that has endorsed him. And they are much smarter then you. But then again my 12 yr old grandson is smarter then you. In 10 days McCain can go home to Arizona & Palin can go back to Alaska. THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 25, 2008
9:32 a.m.
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blownaway writes:
McCain has run a devisive, fear laden, incompetent campaign. The GOP should be rebuked and when they lose in a major sweep on the 4th, it should a reminder that you can't screw the people all the time. Shame on them and shame on the base being so darn blind. I am sickened by all this and I say good riddance to the BS Express and Mrs. Pa;in. I have never heard such BS from these Mavericks. You cant trust em. Robo-calls. trying to steal the election already and again. what a joke.the double talk express,the incompetent express,the fear express.
October 25, 2008
9:34 a.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
mmannino, it's too bad you don't see Obama as a uniting force. When I, and I think most Americans, look at the totality of the two campaigns, they generally see McCain's campaign as negative and partisan, and they see Obama's campaign as much less negative and partisan. Polls have shown this. The very terms used by the McCain campaign, such as "terrorist" and "socialist", are meant to be polarizing and fear mongering. The whole intent of the use of those words is to scare voters into voting for McCain. That is the essence of division among people. Obama has kept to a common theme of his policies. His tax plan essentially puts the tax rates back to what they were before Bush43. Interestingly, McCain opposed Bush's tax cuts when Bush first proposed them. Later, McCain changed his mind and was for the Bush tax cuts. Here's a video of McCain on Meet the Press discussing his initial opposition to the tax cuts and his subsequent change of mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsKiA...
McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts because he said they didn't help the middle class enough. So, to say Obama is a socialist without recognizing McCain's own opposition to Bush's tax cuts for similar reasons is dishonest. Why wasn't McCain a socialist back when he opposed Bush's tax cuts?
And what about nationalization of the banks? Isn't that socialism? Wasn't bank nationalization pushed through largely by McCain and Bush?
My basic point is we have to work together to solve the huge problems facing us, and Obama's whole campaign has been one of positive policy points, rather than divisive character attacks. By contrast, McCain's campaign has been more characterized by divisive character attacks.
October 25, 2008
9:47 a.m.
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ColoradoGal57 writes:
I just voted Obama/Biden! :)
October 25, 2008
10:03 a.m.
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mmannino writes:
PonchoVia,
Truth is always a defense. Obama has a close association with an unrepented domestic terrorist. Obama is a socialist. He wants far more government control. Obama had a close relationship with a racist preacher. Obama had a close relationship with a corrupt developer. Obama favors the fairness doctrine. Obama favors racial and gender preferences. He has hinted that he favors reparations.
Nationalization of the banks and financial institutions is socialism, large scale socialism. However it was not planned. It will hopefully be temporary. I am not sure it is a good policy. Obama and the Democrats do not favor temporary socialism. They favor massive, permanent socialism.
Now when a socialist gets elected we are supposed to work together. If you and other leftists are so enamored with working together, where were you the last 8 years? You do not want to work together. You want to impose your socialist Utopia on everyone. You will not be able to force investors to follow your socialist Utopia. Investors will not take risks without adequate rewards. Confiscation of profits does not amount to adequate rewards.
October 25, 2008
10:05 a.m.
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T1anda writes:
It is time for the silent majority to speak!! Me and my family,friends, neighbors, and extended family have voted!! YEA!!!
McCain/Palin 08
Polls are fairly meaningless!!! Just ask John Kerry!!!
October 25, 2008
10:05 a.m.
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Thunderwalker writes:
Well....the markets have been tumbling, and I know it's in anticipation of an Obama nation. Everybody's taxes are going to skyrocket under the combined thumbs of the man who says nothing better than anybody in history, the woman who runs the house who is totally clueless, and perhaps one of the more corrupt senate majority leaders in our nation's history. Ignorance is the most expensive thing we pay for, and the democrats wholly depend on willful ignorance and allow their fear to dictate how to vote. Hold on... this is going to be scarier than any Halloween fright night.
October 25, 2008
10:11 a.m.
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Thunderwalker writes:
One other thing....if there was a prominent republican or two linked to the failure of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, the vituperative maintstream media and Henry Waxman, the malevolent Chucky Schumer and others would be screaming for congressional hearings. Our country is being flushed down the toilet, and I still hold the oath I've sworn to protect and defend the constitution very seriously. The fact is, the collapse of those two institutions can be linked to the likes of Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and others in the demcoratic party who resisted more oversight. Had those two had "Rs" by their names, the media would be squealing like a pack of mashed cats.
October 25, 2008
10:27 a.m.
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Over_Nobama writes:
WOW this state has really gone way downhill. First electing a governor that gave deals to ILLEGALS that would keep them from being deported and now this.
October 25, 2008
10:35 a.m.
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Over_Nobama writes:
PonchoVia writes:
Obama supporters (e.g., oceanview), be nice! I'm voting for Obama because he's a genuine, patriotic American, and he would NEVER make polarizing comments about "dummies and rednecks".
ARE YOU KIDDING ME????!!!!!!!!! This is the same guy that talked about residents of small towns saying they "cling to their bibles and guns."
Patriotic American????? His "religious mentor" that he has said was a part of his family said "God damn America." He was part of that chrch for 20 years!!! He also went to a country that was a known supporter of terrorism with Farrakhan (another that hates the US).
THese are not "Republican scare tactics" but the simple truth about NObama that the lemmings dont want to see and only look ast one issue (the economy)
October 25, 2008
10:50 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
mmanino: "If you and other leftists are so enamored with working together, where were you the last 8 years?"
Well, look at the choices we were given to work with. Support the war in Iraq - or you're with the terrorists. Support the Patriot Act - or you're with the terrorists. Support FISA - or you're with the terrorists. Support the privatization of war and cost-based contracts to the VP's former company - or you're with the terrorists. Support fabricated intelligence - or you're with the terrorists.
It's one thing to work together with your opposition. It's another thing to just lie down and let them steamroll right over you. Unfortunately, too many Democrats in Congress did exactly that.
Billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of dead people later, we're mired in an endless war, despite the hollow cries of "victory."
Perhaps one day some of you will wake up and realize the reason we're still in Iraq is because it's making Bush's cronies a hell of a lot of money. If you had any idea of how much Treasury has been looted by private war contractors, you might take a different view.
Thank God that at least the Dems didn't roll over on Social Security and piss the rest of our money away in the stock market.
October 25, 2008
11:06 a.m.
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EXrepublican writes:
allen12,
you need to get out more.
October 25, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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Salsmom writes:
I find it so amusing to read McCain supporter emails that call Senator Obama the messiah. We don't consider him the messiah - we like to refer to him as the next President of the United States.
But then the repubs always seem to get politics and their religion a bit mixed up.
October 25, 2008
11:17 a.m.
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peterclarke writes:
Besides the obvious concern about the qualifications of Obama, this election is about which way the country will go. Socialism(Democrats) or Capitalism(Republicans).
Obama plans to give your hard earned tax dollars to 100 million American who do not have to pay taxes or do not have to file taxes. This is not a tax cut but a welfare cheque.
He does not want to give small or large businesses a tax break but wants to raise business and corporate taxes. This will never produce a single job.
He plans to give unions power similar to unions in Canada, which have destroyed Canada’s auto and manufacturing industries.
He wants to renegotiate the free trade agreements, because the unions with their ever increasing demands have made it harder for American corporations and small businesses to compete with global trading partners.
He wants to talk, with out any conditions to radical terrorists and dictators from Cuba, South America and Europe.
He wants to jump into a new and prolonged un-winnable war of 10, 15 or 25 years in Afghanistan, without any time frame or exit strategy.
Barack Hussein Obama is a lawyer with no historical perspective, but with great rhetoric and hype of hope and change. He is social worker; a Junior legislator of less than 2 years, who votes present 40% of the time and votes 100% along party lines. He or Biden do not have a record of change. No change, with zero accomplishments.
The Osama’s financed their house from a convicted money launderer, has a racist preacher as his spiritual adviser, associates with an unrepentant Williams Ayers a 60's radical who admits to bombings of government buildings. His wife, until recently was not proud of America. Not the time for an unqualified Junior or on the job training program. Keep smiling…
October 25, 2008
11:28 a.m.
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sunshinestate writes:
The NRA endorsement and primary focus on Palin speaks volumes........the hard right 'circular firing squad' blasted McCain a coulple of years ago an an "enemy" so now they are left with touting the VP seat.
And many gun owners and hunter interests are backing away from a decades old partisian single party affiliation and are recognizing Obama's own education and outreach...no matter how imperfect to the NRA.
This trend represents many thousands of voters.
October 25, 2008
11:31 a.m.
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Brunowolfe writes:
freemarketworks writes:
"Great... 4 years of Jimmy Carter-esque government with a corrupt, South Chicago twist. Congratulations Dems! You've managed to make the U.S. nothing more than a Banana Republic. If we make it through the next 4 years, my bet is that Obama will go down as the most spineless, corrupt President in U.S. history..."
Uh, nope, that's already awarded to George W Bush, thank-you...
October 25, 2008
11:31 a.m.
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freemarketworks writes:
The parallels between Barack Obama and Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe are striking. When Mugabe came to power in 1980, there was talk of peace, co-operation, change and hope. Much like present day America, Mugabe was swept into power via a wave of popular support from the press and the ignorant masses, after decades of ‘white colonial rule.’
Mugabe’s move toward government control and redistribution of wealth has all but left Zimbabwe in ruins. Obama must have have studied the rise of Robert Mugabe before he began his presidential campaign (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200312...).
In any case, Obama’s voting record and long list of associations decry everything that he has been saying on the campaign trail. As you Dems begin dancing in the street, or whatever it is that you people do, please keep in mind that Obama may not be who he says he is…
October 25, 2008
11:35 a.m.
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Speak writes:
“GOP whining in 3.... 2.... 1....”
DEMS repeat after me 3.2.1………We Wuz Robbed
“Isn't it a little premature to be rooting for Obama/Biden”
Oh com-on can’t we keep-em he’s so dreamy………
”Speaking of 2012, there's a very good chance
McCain won't be here to see it”.
You people always trying to kill of somebody…Check yourself..
NOBAMA no show medical records…he sneaks cigarettes
and had have a cocaine addiction…those two things never killed anybody. Biden a couple of brain bleeds...
Calm down Joe you might rupture
“my bet is that Obama will go down as the most spineless,
corrupt President in U.S. history”.
Can I get a piece of that pie (bet)? Just like
he’s going down as the most spineless corrupt senator
that ever ran for the oval office.
“The dummies and rednecks are going to LOSE big time”!
YOU Dems are the kinder gentler party remember…
"The voters may prefer Obama but investors are
voting with their dollars.
"Yeah and they are hiding their wealth now, to get
some of the welfare later".
“Obama supporters, be nice, please be humble and gracious”
Train them up!…it’s never too late to teach a donkey (Dems)
“John McSame and Sara Pain will say ANYTHING to get votes”
Especially the truth……Unheard of with NOBama!
Dems your hatred and bitterness on full display on this site
Dems Repeat after me……….. WE Wuz Robbed
Least we forget "Obama's Rules for Socialized Aquisition"
Take what’s not mine to pass it around and then hold on to mine.
“I just voted for Obama! Sweeet”!
Now go take a bath Hun!
”This just in. Your hate and fear ploys aren't working”.
This just in: “Obama is taking red states”…
NOBAMA taking.....welfare distribution at work no news there
“Obama's whole campaign has been one of positive policy".
Positively lies that appeal to the DEMS and character
attacks on the GOPs, bodes well for your party.
Dems remember your chant……… We Wuz Robbed
We the Dems are the kinder gentler party
GOP Don’t give up the Vote and don’t take the
vitriol posted by Dems on this site. …"call me I’m on my cell".
McCain/Palin 2008
October 25, 2008
11:47 a.m.
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Brunowolfe writes:
mmannino: I can't let this one go by unanswered. Your words (with mine in parens)
Truth is always a defense (You are defensive, arent' you?). Obama has a close association with an unrepented domestic terrorist (McCain has a close association with an unrepentent G. Gordon Liddy).
Obama is a socialist. (McCain voted for the recent bank socialization package).
He wants far more government control (well, we can all see where LESS govt control got us).
Obama had a close relationship with a racist preacher. (McCain has faked his piety, well known he wasn't a religious man before this election)
Obama had a close relationship with a corrupt developer. (McCain has several close advisors that made millions from companies involved in the collapse)
Obama favors the fairness doctrine. (Oh, yea, that evil "fairness" thing. What? McCain favors the "UNfairness doctrine?..LOL)
Obama favors racial and gender preferences. He has hinted that he favors reparations. (Look, "hinted", cmon, you've got to be smarter then that, aren't you? Just trying to add to the internet rumour mill? Please either provide the source, or stop with the mud-slinging.)
mmannino, you can do better mud-slinging than this!!! I've seen it here before!!!! Are you lowering your standards?
October 25, 2008
11:56 a.m.
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Brunowolfe writes:
allen12 writes:
"Rocky Mountain News/CBS4 News poll kinked the numbers to shoo Obama in. They stood outside democrat areas. NO WAY that he has a 12 point lead here, no way baby!"
allen, you really shoulda studied during that reading comprehension class, instead of spending all that time thinking about how paranoid you are (you are!). Then maybe you woulda caught this paragraph in the article:
"The survey of 500 likely Colorado voters was conducted Tuesday through Thursday by Public Opinion Strategies of Alexandria, Va., the largest Republican polling firm in the country. Obama's lead was well outside the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 4.38 percentage points".
The largest REPUBLICAN polling firm in the country. Yea, maybe they threw it for Obama cause it's all part of a Democratic subterfuge plan! Ya know, maybe the dems infiltrated the firm? Or maybe it's those darn terrorists doing it? Or maybe Maritans!!
October 25, 2008
12:19 p.m.
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T1anda writes:
Democrats are jumping to participate in polls!
Republicans do not break their arses to participate in polls..they tend to ignore them!!
October 25, 2008
12:19 p.m.
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Hellomondo writes:
This election has exposed the hard-right neo-cons as the HATE faction of the republican party. As a moderate, I've never heard such hateful language and vitriol. This is a democracy and soon the people will speak. All Americans must respect the outcome of this election and work together to bring back this country from the brink of disaster. Hate speech and the use of ignorance as a weapon of fear has no place in the American way.
My hope is that the far right will tone down the rhetoric after the election. The majority of Americans have already chosen hope over fear because most Americans believe that better days are ahead. We have been under the dark side for the last 8 years. Its time to let sunshine again after Nov 4. Yes, Good Morning to us all on that sunny blessed day
October 25, 2008
12:30 p.m.
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Coffee_Mug writes:
Hey speak, your ignorance is only matched by your blindness. Just like the McCain volunteer who filed a false police report about being attacked, a LIE, but I guess that is different right? You can take grandpa and that empty dress and reminess about what could have been. Or better yet, you can take turns putting backwards B's on eachother. What a hoot that would be.
October 25, 2008
12:39 p.m.
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Coffee_Mug writes:
T1anda writes:
Democrats are jumping to participate in polls!
Republicans do not break their arses to participate in polls..they tend to ignore them!!
It seems Repubs. don't break their arses for much of anything. Maybe dems. want to believe that their voice matters to someone, even if most polls don't really mean squat.
October 25, 2008
12:40 p.m.
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Speak writes:
"your ignorance is only matched by your blindness".
And your bitter hatred of GOP's...remember you are kinder and gentler than the repubs...........
“Obama supporters, be nice, please be humble and gracious”
Dems train up your party!…it’s never too late to teach a Jack..A.(donkey)
Dems remember your chant……… We Wuz Robbed
We the Dems are the kinder gentler party.....We wuz robbed.
GOP Don’t give up the Vote and don’t take the
vitriol posted by Dems on this site.
Dems stay focused...We wuz robbed....."call me I’m on my cell"
McCain/Palin 2008
October 25, 2008
12:43 p.m.
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Sundog writes:
Wow, I'll bet Ayers and Louis Farrakhan will really like this Dhimmicrat poll's numbers.
October 25, 2008
12:46 p.m.
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Coffee_Mug writes:
The only one to use hate here speak is you. Desperate times call for deperate measures. Just like your posts yesterday, your hatred was, and is very apparent. If that is all you have left, I feel so sorry for you. Maybe you need to get some help.
October 25, 2008
12:47 p.m.
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sbnative writes:
NOTHING MATTERS MORE THAN THIS: Hamas Praises Obama Again -- and Biden, Too.
FABULOUS! Ahmed Yousef says that the terrorist group would send Obama a congratulation letter "the moment he will win the election."
Please visit: www.actforamerica.org & see VOTER GUIDE.
ACT! for America is dedicated to educating millions of uninformed citizens about the threat of radical Islam. Founded by Brigitte Gabriel, former news anchor for "World News", the Arabic evening news. Ms. Gabriel is a member of the Board of Advisors of the Intelligence Summit and has addressed Members of the U.S. Congress, The Joint Forces Staff College, The U.S. Special Operations Command, the FBI, etc. Ms. Gabriel immigrated to the U. S. in 1989. Her clients include Good Morning America, 20/20, The Today Show, Oprah, Dr. Phil, CNN, Fox, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte...
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbo...
PROTECT AMERICA WITH EXPERIENCE -- NOT APPEASEMENT!
October 25, 2008
1:05 p.m.
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Speak writes:
"I feel so sorry for you. Maybe you need to get some help".
Finally the welfare ...program has arrived
"If that is all you have left"
Got your goat -up (actually Donkey). No I got plenty more do not associate my actions with your vitriol.
I am on the Right side for America.
Dems stay calm after all you are the kinder gentler party
Chant.......We wuz robbed!
October 25, 2008
1:18 p.m.
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Coffee_Mug writes:
Speak writes:
"I feel so sorry for you. Maybe you need to get some help".
Finally the welfare ...program has arrived
"If that is all you have left"
Got your goat -up (actually Donkey). No I got plenty more do not associate my actions with your vitriol.
I am on the Right side for America.
Dems stay calm after all you are the kinder gentler party
Chant.......We wuz robbed!
Good luck to you. You're going to need it.
October 25, 2008
1:22 p.m.
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me2 writes:
Watched Christopher Hitchens saying that McCain seems muddled and confused lately. Since January.
I think he is in the early stages of dementia or has had a small stroke. There is definitely something odd about his demeanor.
This is sad to see a good man so disintegrate. Not only is his campaign disgusting, but he himself looks so bad.
October 25, 2008
1:31 p.m.
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missyredhair writes:
AZdenverfan: I agree with you. I am a democrat and I voted for Obama today. I dont believe by far that any party id perfect and I personally have voted outside my party line. In fact I would have voted for McCain in 2000. A fact my husband doesnt like but I would have. I believed in him then. I cant say the same about McCain today, but in 2000 I could have. In saying that I dont believe this is going to be an easy term for any party. I dont think this president would be re-elected because if they are truly going to bring about change they are going to have to make a lot of people unhappy in the process.
I do believe his intentions are to bring about change. Just as I believed President Clinton would and did. I watch the polls and I am very proactive in politics. I see the democrats are leading in most polls everywhere. This could be potentionally bad news. Just as we saw when the repubs had majority things got bad. I see the same thing happening if the dems are in control. There needs to be balance. If there is no balance then things go bad really fast. In all honesty I do hope some repubs stay in office.
October 25, 2008
1:37 p.m.
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Speak writes:
Thank you!...NOBama's welfare package will include a good mental health program.
Word on the street from a Jack A..(donkey) is I will need it!
Under the plan, I'll be re-learning how to take what I did not work for.
Chant...We wuz robbed, Kinder gentler remember that's you!
October 25, 2008
1:45 p.m.
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Brunowolfe writes:
sbnative writes:
"NOTHING MATTERS MORE THAN THIS: Hamas Praises Obama Again -- and Biden, Too."
"The friend of my enemy is my friend"?.....So, according to your logic (kind of?), we should base our choice of President upon what you believe to be a terrorist organization likes less?
And you don't see the absurity in this? Howling at how incredibly naive and misguided you are......
October 25, 2008
1:54 p.m.
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Coffee_Mug writes:
Yes, even you will be get help under his plan.... like it or not. Again, good luck to you.
October 25, 2008
1:54 p.m.
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Hellomondo writes:
If I am Muslim and want to support McCain/Palin, am I welcomed in the Republican Party?
Can anyone tell me if thats ok?
October 25, 2008
1:57 p.m.
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Coffee_Mug writes:
Better yet speak, get yourself together and go to Civic Park and listen to some music and just relax. Go ahead and take that sweet chant with you, it seems that is all you have left.
October 25, 2008
2:03 p.m.
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angryrepublican writes:
trailertrash for mcPain - that is probably the only group voting for mcPain - and well any idiot willing to live in a trailer does not have the ability to think beyond their 13 cars up on blocks in the front yard! Voted early today at the Hiawatha Davis Community Center at 3334 Holly Street - not busy at all - so get out their and vote - unless of course you are a mcPain backer; I understand their voting boths are located in Tehran!!!!
October 25, 2008
2:04 p.m.
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Speak writes:
Chant...We wuz robbed, Kinder gentler remember that's you!
October 25, 2008
2:08 p.m.
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Coffee_Mug writes:
Speak writes:
Chant...We wuz robbed, Kinder gentler remember that's you!
If that makes you feel better, so be it. Again, get out and enjoy some music at the park. It really is okay.
October 25, 2008
2:08 p.m.
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Speak writes:
My Bad!...I still got whatever you and your friends worked hard
for coming my way..I got the health package and
oh yeah!
And freedom of SPEAK........
Chant...We wuz robbed, Kinder gentler remember that's you!
October 25, 2008
3:39 p.m.
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tbizzy writes:
Hellomondo: you are Muslim and want to know if you are welcome in the Republican party? Why wouldn't you be?
I am white, hard working, paid for my own education, take care of my own kids, am religious, and don't rely on government handouts. I have no time for demonstrations, presentations, marches, and the like.
Only my wallet is welcome in the Democratic party.
October 25, 2008
3:41 p.m.
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tbizzy writes:
mmannino: I couldn't agree with you more.
Go 'green' for the sake of going green. On farms, we can get rid of tractors and combines, replacing them with manual, unionized labor, creating jobs and reducing emissions! Granted, this would drop productivity and efficiency of farms, but it would be for the "greater good".
I want to see Obama distribute his own wealth and send him to monopolized, poor performing public schools that he seems to believe so much in.
October 25, 2008
4:03 p.m.
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glycerine831 writes:
This is hands down the FUNNIEST GAFFE of the entire election. LMAO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnE-YJ...
October 25, 2008
4:45 p.m.
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RichDen writes:
I'm 60 years old, and I'm a registered Democrat and have generally voted in that direction, but there certainly have been times that a Republican candidate has earned my vote. In all previous elections, the extent of my political involvement has always been simply to vote for the candidate of my choice, and I have never been a political activist in any way.
That all changed today. I placed an Obama/Biden sign in my yard in a highly Republican neighborhood, I volunteered to work at an Obama headquarters, and I RSVP'd to attend tomorrow's rally at Civic Center. The reason? I will not tolerate politics of hate and divisiveness, nor will I tolerate politics of complete ignorance. Hate and divisiveness - the continued references to pro- and anti-American people and geographical area; we recognize the code words. Ignorance - very simply stated - Sarah Palin. She pushed me over the edge yesterday with her denigration of "fruit fly research" yesterday indicated she obviously flunked high school biology. Drosophila has been a preferred vehicle for genetic research for many scientific reasons - including the large size of their chromosomes and rapid reproduction. Drosophila research has made important discoveries with respect to Down's syndrome. As most of us know, Drosophila is the genus name for fruit flies. The woman should not speak about things she does not know - and there are many.
October 25, 2008
4:56 p.m.
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commoncents writes:
I am not a big fan of polls either, but as long as Obama wins this will be welcomed news. Of the two candidates with a chance to win he will do the best for the country. McCain would have done himself better to not cater to the nutcase side of the Republicans and he could have stood a chance. It is never the rabid members of a party that can deliver a victory.
They do provide some good entertainment up to the election though.
October 25, 2008
7:30 p.m.
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freemarketworks writes:
Barry Mugabe will do a great job... I'm sure...
October 25, 2008
7:46 p.m.
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djbrav writes:
Looks like tbizzy, sbnative and speak blindly follow the same propaganda machine that is the McCain campaign. Socialism, taxes, bigger government, associations with terrorists, fear, fear, fear, blah, blah, blah. Their rhetoric, closed minds, and worse, their spreading of hatred is becoming annoying. As is speak's 'we wuz robbed' chant. btw speak - I can't wait to rub your face in your words a week from this wednesday when McCain bravely stands up and concedes the race for presidency to Obama.
October 25, 2008
8:01 p.m.
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NoMoreFour writes:
Polls are just that, polls. I am VOTING for Barack Obama and Joe Biden. I am a woman of color and cannot tell you how disturbed I am, not only by the McCain/Palin campaign's (especially Ms. Palin) race baiting and fear tactics, but also by the actions of SOME of my fellow Coloradans. Please explain this to me and your other Coloradans. Shameful and frightening. I cried.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vagD-4... (Colorado Rally)
I STILL love Colorado and ALL of it's citizens. Obama/Biden '08
October 25, 2008
8:16 p.m.
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GetReal writes:
What a short memory people seem to have.
Polls have been wrong more often than right.
On the national level,four years ago with less than two weeks before the election they had Kerry up by 11 points.
And don't underestimate "The Bradley Effect" or any other upcoming Obama/Biden gaffes.
Even with the Media, Hollywood and Academia all in the tank,
Who are the brainwashed moonbats going to blame when their Messiah goes down Nov 4TH?
Certainly not their Socialist candidate with a paper thin resume and many Anti American associates.
October 25, 2008
10:02 p.m.
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boogman writes:
This poll had to be taken completely within the city limits of Boulder. Hopefully it will end up being like the Kerry exit polls in Ohio. No way Nobama takes CO by 12 points. Libs - go back to your double-wides and wait for your hand outs from the govt.
October 26, 2008
3:15 a.m.
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Reason writes:
This just in, Dewey wins!
Anyone that accepts what these polls say about the outcome of the election is an idiot. Depending on the day and the poll, in the last two weeks it has been anywhere between a 1 and 15 point race, which says to me that polls are not to be trusted. People who have a vested interest in this election(and doesn't view it as yet another lesser of two evils contest like I do) better continue to be proactive and keep working for the next week and a half.
October 26, 2008
6:39 a.m.
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voicewithin writes:
Good! Very Good! EXCELLENT! Now can we enjoy the rest of the election process? Can we talk about McCain's stumbling and bumbling during this serious economic crisis or McCain's choice as his Sidekick, Shopping Sarah 666 Pay Pay Palin.
For more information on John Stumbling Bumbling McCain and his Shopping Sidekick Sarah 666 Palin visit http://www.ibelievethis.us
talk about
October 26, 2008
9:43 a.m.
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Sundog writes:
voicewithin: 666? Someone's been blowing smoke in your ear. I went to your link and the writing was so pathetically bad I could barely read it. Asking if the anti-Christ could be a woman and then answering in the affirmative followed by the statement that it is Governor Palin is not even vicious, it's just plain retarded.
Better quit listening to those voices within. It's got your judgment all clouded up, like that moronic link you provided.
October 26, 2008
10:29 a.m.
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commoncents writes:
Sundog is right. No way Palin could be the anti-christ, that will be some one with some powers other than winking. If she could wiggle her nose and wink at the same time she may be able to do a remake of Bewitched though.
October 26, 2008
1:52 p.m.
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Eli7 writes:
If you haven't heard, Barack Obama has been endorsed by Iranian Nutcase mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Ahmadinejad has vowed over and over to wipe Israel off the world map and he has also stated that America will be defeated by his thug nation and Ahmadinejad loves Obama. He called Barack Obama the most reasonable and flexible of the candidates (code words for weak and naivete). There is a reason that our sworn Iranian enemies love Barack Obama and it is posted below.
Obama's 11-2-07 pro-Iranian resolution says, President Bush does not have authority to use any military force to stop Iran from getting nukes. Obama sponsored the pro-Iranian resolution to counter the US Senate amendment sponsored by Senators Joe Lieberman and Jon Kyl. The US Senate voted 76-22 on Sept. 26, 2007 in favor of supporting President Bush on this issue. John McCain voted for the Lieberman / Kyl resolution that supported President Bush. Obama was also against putting Iran's Revolutionary Guard on the list of terrorist orgs
October 26, 2008
4:02 p.m.
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davis_x_machina writes:
Fortunately I only bet with myself, but on seeing the number of responses to this piece I wagered that it would only take 5 or 6 before someone broke out the "socialism" snivel.Well it took more than that, not too many, but in a way I'm glad to be wrong.I'm guessing that the complainer who had to fall back on the "socialism"/ " regulation" canard has not read Alan Greenspan's comments from the other day where he expressed surprise that the minds behind the invisible hand were more concerned about their own well-being than about the state of the economy in general.A thorough reading of Mr. Smith the chief philosopher of capitalism would show that even he had his doubts about the long-term viability of unchecked, unregulated capitalism.
October 26, 2008
5:11 p.m.
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Sundog writes:
Eli7: Obama has many more endorsements than that from our enemies. If he gets elected get prepared for some cozy power-cuddling. And dust off that old copy of Das Kapital for reference to the new current events.
If that isn't enough reading, you might try some funny quotes, like the one from the Democrat-installed federal judge who justified his throwing out the contested birth certificate of B. Hussein, that is if you can translate legalese that approaches the Martian language. The fact that there is no record of the birth in Hawaii didn't mean a darn, evidently. Maybe the demo-congress can re-write the presidential qualifications to include Kenyans.
October 26, 2008
5:13 p.m.
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Brunowolfe writes:
GetReal writes:
"What a short memory people seem to have.
Polls have been wrong more often than right."
Oh, puhlease. Please either quote and give a link to where you get your "facts" (cmon, we all know you made up the silly generalization), or present the data here. Even your own candidate admits he 6 pts behind. But, you know better then he or his advisors do....LOL
Look, you can make up all kinds of reasons (racist) why McCain is going to win but, when obama draws 100k to a rally, and McCain plays to empty seats and 4k,,,,well that's a pretty big indication where the people are leaning. CNN's electoral map has McCain only able to win if he wins EVERY tossup state, and takes at least one other state from Obama that's firnly in the Obama camp.
Yet still you think your guy is gonna win......like most GOP, none of what you believe is rooted in reality. It's Faux News and Limbaugh and Palin and mud slinging and fear mongering....
McCain has run the worst presidential campaign I've seen. And now it's starting to eat itself as the campaign advisors begin the blame game, and Palin begins to try to protect what she views as her national political future (lmfao @ that).
McCain's presidential run is done. And there's going to be so much finger pointing and blaming going on regarding why the GOP lost the House, Senate, and Presidency in 2 years. And if Obama has success within the first 2 years of his presidency turning this country around,,,,The GOP as a party is finished. And good riddance to the selfish bastards and don't let the door hit them on the way out!
October 26, 2008
5:25 p.m.
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Sundog writes:
Brunowolfe: Here are some references, but I'm certain it won't affect your tilted judgment. Your racist reference shows your desperation, BTW. Easy on the Koolaid, boyo.
"Reviewing the polls printed in The New York Times and The Washington Post in the last month of every presidential election since 1976, I found the polls were never wrong in a friendly way to Republicans. When the polls were wrong, which was often, they overestimated support for the Democrat, usually by about 6 to 10 points.
In 1976, Jimmy Carter narrowly beat Gerald Ford 50.1 percent to 48 percent. And yet, on Sept. 1, Carter led Ford by 15 points. Just weeks before the election, on Oct. 16, 1976, Carter led Ford in the Gallup Poll by 6 percentage points -- down from his 33-point Gallup Poll lead in August.
Reading newspaper coverage of presidential elections in 1980 and 1984, I found myself paralyzed by the fear that Reagan was going to lose.
In 1980, Ronald Reagan beat Carter by nearly 10 points, 51 percent to 41 percent. In a Gallup Poll released days before the election on Oct. 27, it was Carter who led Reagan 45 percent to 42 percent.
In 1984, Reagan walloped Walter Mondale 58.8 percent to 40 percent, -- the largest electoral landslide in U.S. history. But on Oct. 15, The New York Daily News published a poll showing Mondale with only a 4-point deficit to Reagan, 45 percent to 41 percent. A Harris Poll about the same time showed Reagan with only a 9-point lead. The Oct. 19 New York Times/CBS News Poll had Mr. Reagan ahead of Mondale by 13 points. All these polls underestimated Reagan's actual margin of victory by 6 to 15 points.
In 1988, George H.W. Bush beat Michael Dukakis by a whopping 53.4 percent to 45.6 percent. A New York Times/CBS News Poll on Oct. 5 had Bush leading the Greek homunculus by a statistically insignificant 2 points -- 45 percent to 43 percent. (For the kids out there: Before it became a clearinghouse for anti-Bush conspiracy theories, CBS News was considered a credible journalistic entity.)
A week later -- or one tank ride later, depending on who's telling the story -- on Oct. 13, Bush was leading Dukakis in The New York Times Poll by a mere 5 points.
Admittedly, a 3- to 6-point error is not as crazily wrong as the 6- to 15-point error in 1984. But it's striking that even small "margin of error" mistakes never seem to benefit Republicans.
In 1992, Bill Clinton beat the first President Bush 43 percent to 37.7 percent. (Ross Perot got 18.9 percent of Bush's voters that year.) On Oct. 18, a Newsweek Poll had Clinton winning 46 percent to 31 percent, and a CBS News Poll showed Clinton winning 47 percent to 35 percent.
So in 1992, the polls had Clinton 12 to 15 points ahead, but he won by only 5.3 points.
In 1996, Bill Clinton beat Bob Dole 49 percent to 40 percent. And yet on Oct. 22, 1996, The New York Times/CBS News Poll showed Clinton leading by a massive 22 points, 55 percent to 33 percent. "
October 26, 2008
5:28 p.m.
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Sundog writes:
If McCain wins, the above examples of yellow journalism will put the whole country at risk of serious rioting, because as we have seen before, the Democrats are incapable of losing. Three recounts are not enough, so bring on the ACORN folks, "we won't lose this one."
October 26, 2008
6:27 p.m.
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commoncents writes:
If there are riots after the election it will be the will of the people. I hardly doubt there will be any though if people didn't stand up to the last two fiascos.
October 26, 2008
6:31 p.m.
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Sundog writes:
The will of the people is determined in part, sometimes large part, by the quality of information they receive. This election has been a chilling example of the MSM controlling "facts" in their liberal favor. The "equal opportunity" mass media of the democrat future is nothing less than Big Bro clamping down on wrongthink.
October 26, 2008
9:59 p.m.
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Brunowolfe writes:
Sundog,,,,your information had quotes around it. Where are you quoting from? Because if it's your evaluation, then give links to the data as I requested, or present ALL the data here. Otherwise, It's just stuff you've made up.....
October 26, 2008
10:30 p.m.
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Sundog writes:
Bruno: You go look it up, hotshot. I'm not your gopher, and you're not going to take it to heart anyway, so don't bother giving me busy work. If you think I made it up, then just prove that yourself and show contrary data. So off with you and get busy yourself, because based on your comments so far, I don't respect you enough to respond to your little mandates. Pfft!
October 26, 2008
10:42 p.m.
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Brunowolfe writes:
Sundog,,,,,what you've done is found specific results from a particular point in time from a poll that supports your position. It's easy and it's lazy. Anyone (sick enough to have to support their position even when wrong) could go through the data and come up with what you've come up with. However, I would assume you copied it from some pro McCain/anti Obama website? You don't seem to be the type who would actually do the research.
Fact is that the Gallup poll has only been wrong once in the 72 years they've been doing the Presidential poll (Dewey beats Truman, and they were completely within the margin of error of their polls). Go here (http://www.gallup.com/poll/110548/Gal...) for the complete story.
John Harwood, of the New york Times did a piece regarding McCain and his overcoming this deficiet, per the Gallup poll(http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,...), and that no one has done it before.
It's funny how you GOPidiots want to blame this on everything (polls, media, acorn, etc.), like it's some giant conspiracy against you. Wasn't the GOP once the party of "personal responsibility"? Regan right?
Anyway, hope that tin foil hat works for ya!
October 26, 2008
10:51 p.m.
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Brunowolfe writes:
Sundog writes: " If you think I made it up, then just prove that yourself and show contrary data."
LOL....have you even remotely ever woked with statistics before? You've given data POINTS. Not the complete data. Or an analysis. You have quotes (") around the sentences, but don't say who wrote it? You give no links to the article? Scared to say where you got it from, cause it'll be a biased source?
I've given facts, noted who they are from, and given links to them.
You are a punk. You ought to try actually learning to discourse and debate. Might do wonders for your personal life.
October 27, 2008
12:36 a.m.
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Sundog writes:
Brunobeatch:
"Just weeks before the election, on Oct. 16, 1976, Carter led Ford in the Gallup Poll by 6 percentage points -- down from his 33-point Gallup Poll lead in August."
Just run this one down, won't you, hotshot? That should be simple enough for you. Don't give us the general Gallup numbers. You didn't do your assignment, you worthless liberal dupe. You're worse than pathetic, and I'll bet your breath smells too, smart@ss, just like your "arguments."
Before you give me a lecture on the finer points of statistics, you need to learn how to spell on a third grade level, lil' puppy. Reads like you haven't even remotely "woked" with statistics... or copyreading either, have you?
Great that I didn't give you a reference point. All you can do is make the fervent hope that I will, so that you can discount it as being anti-B. Hussein. Nope. Do your assignment as ordered, wimpy. We'll let you hoist yourself on your own petard.
Your references are in the copy. That's where they came from. Start looking. Get busy.
October 27, 2008
2:49 a.m.
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Brunowolfe writes:
Sundonk bloviates:
"Great that I didn't give you a reference point. All you can do is make the fervent hope that I will, so that you can discount it as being anti-B. Hussein."
Yep, that's what i thought. You can't give links to where you got the information... As i've stated before, it's not your work and it was lazy. You want someone to believe the nonsense, put links to it. Otherwise, it's just bull shit. And the "Hussein" comment...Priceless racism.....that and I misspelled a word...LMFAO @ YOU....can't wait to here more of your whining after McCain's Nov 4th defeat.
Exactly what will you blame his 7 pt and 80 electoral vote loss on? The Media?Acorn? Someone's bad spelling? What a doofus you are!
October 27, 2008
4:05 a.m.
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Taurus writes:
FREEMARKETWORKS writes: “... Congratulations Dems! You've managed to make the U.S. nothing more than a Banana Republic. If we make it through the next 4 years, my bet is that Obama will go down as the most spineless, corrupt President in U.S. history...”
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What is that again? A great and mightiest country on earth and suddenly a Banana Republic? You must be insane to say this Freemarketworks, then blame the Dems for the mess when it’s been Bush and his sidekicks that have mismanaged the country for the past eight years.
You talk like the typical irresponsible chattering idiots from the homeland who love to shoot off their mouths before their brains can process what they want to say. You must have been influenced by the lies and falsehoods of corrupt politicians in your native Philippines that immediately and without basis in fact you have no qualms in saying Obama is spineless and corrupt president in US history. You know you cannot prove that just as you say he is a terrorist and a Muslim even if it’s been proven he is not. Out of ignorance you also call him a socialist, short of saying he’s a commie, just because you heard him say ‘spread the wealth’, when you do not understand exactly what socialism is all about. And now out of desperation, you say he is like Mugabe!
You always lie Freemarketworks. Why don’t you go back home to Nueva Ecija and stay there until your land of milk and honey is back on its feet again? For a Chinese-Filipino, you are a disgrace to your own kind when you lie.
October 27, 2008
8:37 a.m.
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oceanview78382 writes:
Most MCCain supporters won't tell us they loved Bush just as much in the last two elections. Gallup has over 80% of MCcain supporters as voting for Bush (remember quite a few were too young to vote 4 years ago).
MCCain supporters try to smear Colin Powell and other conservatives who support Obama, but where is their hero GEORGE W BUSH ? Why hasn't he endorsed and why don't McCain supporters have the integrity to admit they love Bush too!
October 27, 2008
9:22 a.m.
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Creative_N_Denver writes:
I really think this is a closer race than people are lead to believe. I am not a fan of either man. McCain and Obama have proven to be very disappointing. Smearing has been on both sides. Pointing fingers doesn't take that point away from the American voters. People need to just vote, and vote for the one they believe will be the best President. The constant promises and lack of support changed my vote at the end.
Hero George Bush? He was a huge let down for everyone who voted for him last election. He was yet another person that was able to smooth talk the American people, same as McCain, Obama and all past Presidents. Either way we the people better get ready for another bumpy 4 years! Our economy isn't going to be repaired overnight, no matter who becomes President!
October 27, 2008
10:11 a.m.
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Sundog writes:
Bye, bye, Bruno...good luck with your brave new world. You still didn't look up the simple comparison with the information I gave you. It is absolutely true that the polls have overwhelmingly favored dhimmikrat candidates. You are unwilling to see the proof before you taken even from the link you provided.
I knew you would not even look at the numbers and make the comparisons, even though they were spoon fed to you.
One final thing. The man's name is Barack HUSSEIN Obama. That you would consider that a racist statement is simple proof that you really have nothing to say, and no argument to say it with. You want to be a person of letters, and you need but three to write you down: an @ss.
October 27, 2008
10:55 a.m.
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BigSky182 writes:
Once the precedent is set that it is acceptable to levy extra taxes against those who make more in order to provide benefits and bonuses to those that make less then all that remains is to define "the rich".
Currently that limit is set to those who make $250,000 or more.
What happens when the Guvmint decides that they need even MORE money (because supporting the low end of the spectrum is WAY expensive) they can redefine the limit any way they want to.
What happens to YOUR taxes when "the rich" are defined as those making in excessive of $100,000? $80,000?
Taking extra from the people who have sucessfully managed their careers and finances in order to give to those who cannot is dangerous territory people. Once this gets started, where does it end?
October 27, 2008
11:19 a.m.
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5thgennative writes:
Way to warp the minds of the people of my state, Osama...oops...Obama. Hitler would be proud!
I'm so sick of this election and the celebrities and enemies that it has made. All because one puppet happens to be half black everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon just to say they were there, that they were 1st etc. America is embarrassing.
October 27, 2008
11:44 a.m.
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cruisemates writes:
Here is an example of Obama's accomplishments as a senator. He passed the "Employer Patriot Act" that does this:
The legislation would provide a tax credit equal to one percent of taxable income to employers who fulfill the following conditions:
· First, employers must not decrease their ratio of full-time workers in the United States to full-time workers outside the United States and they must maintain corporate headquarters in the United States if the company has ever been headquartered there.
· Second, they must pay a minimum hourly wage sufficient to keep a family of three out of poverty: at least $7.80 per hour.
· Third, they must provide a defined benefit retirement plan or a defined contribution retirement plan that fully matches at least five percent of each worker’s contribution.
· Fourth, they must pay at least sixty percent of each worker’s health care premiums.
· Fifth, they must pay the difference between a worker’s regular salary and military salary and continue the health insurance for all National Guard and Reserve employees who are called for active duty.
· Sixth, they must maintain neutrality in employee organising campaigns.
OK - this is a total joke that NO economist has said will work and NO BUSINESS has said they will adopt.
OH - you get a shiny new tax cut!!!!!! But your home value goes down, your pension plan and 401k go down, and we make ourselves totally vulnerable to our enemiew due to his massive military cuts.
DO NOT BELIEVE OBAMA WILL SAVE OUR ECONOMY. HE IS A DEMOCRATIC PUPPET: Barney Franks has already said we need 25% tax hikes, and 25% cuts in military.
If you want the most liberal candidate is US history, and a liberal super majority in Congress then vote for Obama. One income tax decrease is ALL you will get. After that we'll get massive tax increases, welfare run rampant, union rules for everyone, social security dues increases, higher capital gains and corporate taxes. With higher capital gains your home value, 401Ks and pension plans will stay low for a decade.
Do you really think Obama can start 6 million jobs in "wind power?" Right. And who is going to employ you, the US government?
Do you want Supreme Court judges who will "reinterpret" the constitution! What does that mean? These are Obama promises.
All I can say is that there must be a LOT of people who have been living irresponsibly in the last 8 years - in a mortgage they shouldn't have taken, buying things they couldn't afford, if Obama is this popular.
Well, you will get your tax break - but you will NEVER get ahead under an Obama regime. You will spend the rest of your lives hoping the government is going to give you another tax cut.
If that's what you want - all I can say is you deserve what you are about to get.
October 28, 2008
2:17 p.m.
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RegLib writes:
5thgennative: With an argument like that from a fellow American, I can certainly agree with your concluding sentence. Luckily, on November 5th we can stop being embarrassed; we will have shown the world that folks like you are a tiny minority in this country.