Burn injuries, shock just too much for Bobo to handle
By Bill Scanlon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Originally published 08:34 a.m., October 23, 2008
Updated 11:54 p.m., October 23, 2008
Photo by Brian Lehmann © The Rocky
Bobo's burns apparently damaged his internal organs.
The Yorkshire terrier clinging to life after his owner allegedly burned him died early Thursday.
The shock of the burns apparently damaged his kidneys, pancreas and other internal organs, veterinarian Elisa Mazzaferro said.
"He suffered cardiopulmonary arrest. He didn't suffer; he was comfortable."
Bobo suffered burns over his legs and other parts of his body after his owner allegedly hogtied him and set him on fire over a stove on Sunday. A neighbor saw the fire and alerted Lakewood police.
Relatives of Tanya M. Martin, 38, of Lakewood, say she suffers from mental illness.
Martin was formally charged Thursday with cruelty to animals and fourth-degree arson. She remains in custody at the Jefferson County Detention Center on $10,000 bond.
As recently as Wednesday, the Bobo hotline was sounding optimistic: "Bobo was resting comfortably today, greeting us and interacting with his surroundings," said the message. The message said veterinarians were hopeful that a special skin treatment could hasten Bobo's recovery.
On Wednesday, Mazzaferro brought Bobo into a hyperbaric chamber in Lakewood donated by animal lover Dr. Alex Thermos.
"It was very peaceful in there," Mazzaferro said. "We took a nap together."
But afterward, when surgery was done to remove some of Bobo's dead tissue, "it showed that some of the organs were failing," she said. "The burns we could see were only the tip of the iceberg." The failed organs were "the internal consequences from the external burns."
Mazzaferro said Bobo was given generous doses of pain medicine. Up to the end, "he was alert and responsive and very comfortable. He wasn't suffering."
Coloradans, stirred by the story of the burned dog, had donated more than $23,000 as of Wednesday afternoon for Bobo's care, said Ben Drotar, director of marketing for Table Mountain Animal Center. The average donation was $53.
"We'll more than likely be well over what was required for Bobo's care," Drotar said. The remainder will go into the Westy Fund, a pot of money to help abused animals.
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October 23, 2008
8:45 a.m.
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coloradohunter1 writes:
I'm sorry the little dog was tortured by it's owner, but it should have been put to sleep immediately instead of kept suffering by people trying to keep it alive.
October 23, 2008
8:53 a.m.
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Sammie writes:
I was praying that Bobo would pull through and I'm very sad that he did not. I am a member of the ASPCA -- a wonderful, educational organization. Please, everyone, be aware of animals that may be in jeopardy, left outside, caged, obviously malnourished. If you suspect cruelty in any form please report it. You'll be glad you did.
October 23, 2008
8:54 a.m.
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MsValeriah writes:
Coloradohunter1, according to the vets, Bobo wasn't suffering. Poor little guy deserved a chance if he wanted to try to hang on, and I'm glad they tried. Schizophrenic off her meds or not, that woman should be locked up for a very long time.
October 23, 2008
9:05 a.m.
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kmeissner writes:
I was hoping he would pull through. Well at least he wasn't in pain. Thanks to everyone who donated time and money to him. He's in a better place now.
If the owner had mental problems she should never have owned an animal... period. There is no excuse for that and now this poor dog is dead. I wish people had more respect for life.
October 23, 2008
9:06 a.m.
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SD_JD writes:
Too bad for little Bobo. Let's hope this "mentally ill" woman is never allowed to be responsible for another living creature.
October 23, 2008
9:07 a.m.
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SassyFox writes:
I'm sitting at my computer crying for the loss of this poor sweet dog. This woman needs to be burned and she how she likes it. Horrible woman...I don't care if she is mentally ill.
October 23, 2008
9:11 a.m.
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sweetater writes:
R.I.P. little fellow. This has me saddened and by the previous stories I really thought he would pull through. I was getting a liitle upset with Davies cause he said put him down from the beginning and my apologies to him, yes I am a dreamer and love the whole dumb world, he is more the realist it seems. My apologies Davies,
I am heartbroken and this brings tears to my eyes.
October 23, 2008
9:13 a.m.
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LadyBird112 writes:
This is so upsetting--I want to go hug my dog now. Just when you thought you'd heard about all the sick people in the world, someone else pops up. Wow. I agree with Sassy. Let the punishment fit the crime, mental case or not.
October 23, 2008
9:15 a.m.
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UNV_ME writes:
We have so much compassion for animals... but lack so much when it comes to humans. It just makes no sense.
October 23, 2008
9:17 a.m.
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littletonmama writes:
SassyFox...I agree!!!! I'm crying also. At the same time, I am watching our 17 month old son snuggling up with our dog watching Sesame Street and it's comforting me.
October 23, 2008
9:21 a.m.
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SassyFox writes:
UNV---
because so many humans (like this one) do so many horrible things. Animals are innocent creatures who don't deserve such treatment.
October 23, 2008
9:23 a.m.
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c4l2a0 writes:
As coloradohunter said, the vet should have euthanized the dog immediately. Sometimes the correct decisions are the hardest to accept. Emotional decisions are usually wrong. Trying to save the dog wasn't for the benefit of the dog , it was for the benefit of the people involved, to make themselves feel better about a tragic situation. How selfish.
Anyone who advocates harming this obviously mentally incompetent woman is just as bad as she is.
Move on.
October 23, 2008
9:25 a.m.
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fleetmack writes:
UNV_ME took the words out of my mouth. My thoughts go out to both the dog and the woman, I hope she can find help.
October 23, 2008
9:29 a.m.
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violinga1 writes:
RIP little guy. UNV_ME - pets are a source of unconditional love and companionship! It's no wonder people have compassion for this little guy! Look at the human component in this story - disgusting! There is no compassion for the woman and people in general these days when they can be responsible for so many terrible actions.
October 23, 2008
9:32 a.m.
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MrFuzzy writes:
I imagine that many of the people who donated money and who are crying right now have probably recently eaten some pork or beef in a beautifully wrapped and sealed package that came from a very intelligent, if not as cute, pig or cow that was raised in its own excrement and in a space so small that it couldn't turn around. Ignorance is bliss. Enjoy your burger.
October 23, 2008
9:32 a.m.
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Duckster writes:
I don't want to see the woman harmed. I just want to see her barred from ever:
1. owning an animal again
2. having a child or being allowed to supervise children
3. driving a car
4. owning a gun
5. voting.
People with that sort of thought process should not be allowed to affect other people's lives.
http://lagniappeslair.blogspot.com/
October 23, 2008
9:32 a.m.
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sweetater writes:
Sassy and Littleton Mama,
Same here I can't stop crying. ( me and my little furry friend said a prayer for Bobo this morning.) Need to pull myself together and try to get some work done. She should of never had the puppy, and really shouldn't of lived alone. Thankfully this wasn't one of her neighbors that was caught in this fire and called when they saw the smoke. This could be one of them we were shedding tears over
October 23, 2008
9:33 a.m.
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davies writes:
Well thank you sweetater. I don't know what the animal shelters are like everywhere, but the few times I've been to ours here in Canon City, it is always teeming with many many unwanted animals. (We've gotten two dogs and one cat there thus far.) So my point was not that this little dog didn't deserve better, it was just that the cost of the treatment and the quality of life for Bobo didn't make sense in the context of all the other animals' needs. Sad sad story though.
October 23, 2008
9:33 a.m.
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GlacierDragon writes:
Poor little guy. How devastating to have someone you trust do something like that to you.
October 23, 2008
9:35 a.m.
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JluvDC writes:
Poor little dog, may he rest in peace.
October 23, 2008
9:37 a.m.
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Sowie writes:
Mental illness or another excuse? It breaks my heart to see animals being abuse. I pray for all of them who are sufferering. i have 2 dogs and I love them like my own children. They are God's creatures and we shouldn't treat them any different. I hope this woman, mentally ill or not, should be locked up FOREVER!!!
October 23, 2008
9:39 a.m.
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ghostie writes:
UNV_ME -
What a terrible thing to say, and utterly incorrect. I love and have compassion for animals AND my fellow humans, as do many other people posting, I'm sure. The vast majority of money donated or distributed in this country is devoted to human causes. Why do you feel the need be so judgemental? It's very hypocritical; you yourself seem to have no compassion for the people who are sad about the death of this dog. Compassion itself is not a "limited" resource, you know...people can feel saddened by both human AND animal causes. And check out the comments posted whenever a case of child abuse comes up - some of them generate HUNDREDS of posts expressing sadness, compassion, and caring.
Stop taking away from this world - that kind of comment tries to diminish all the great acts and contributions (to both animals AND humans) of so many people.
October 23, 2008
9:44 a.m.
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rdfland writes:
I don't wish harm to the woman, but I feel she should be institutionalized permanently. She is not fit to be a member of society.
I too am crying at my desk, but know maybe he shoudl have been put down. I was rooting for him. I am presently looking for a dog and have found one at a shelter, but he's now sick, so I have to wait and see. Had Bobo made it, I would have looked into adopting him myself. Hopefully my lil puppy makes it through, and we'll have him home this weekend.
The reason we concern ourselves more with these animals is because they love with no exceptions. Humans do things like this to animal/people who can't defend themselves.
October 23, 2008
9:44 a.m.
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davies writes:
sweetater: No apology necessary on my account! Our local animal shelter is always teeming with dozens and dozens of unwanted dogs - we've gotten two good mutts there so far. So I just wanted to make the point that the money for treatment could be much better spent, especially since Bobo's foot pads were burned off and he wasn't like to have much quality of life anyway.
Sad sad story though. I have a mentally ill brother who's done some weird stuff; nothing like this, but he used to 'hear voices' and I've witnessed enough to understand that such people can be totally detached from reality at times.
October 23, 2008
9:46 a.m.
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Romanesco writes:
SassyFox writes: "Horrible woman...I don't care if she is mentally ill."
Really? Have you such little concern for sick people?
October 23, 2008
9:46 a.m.
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Jubei writes:
Two things I cannot tolerate are the abuse of children and the abuse of animals. As horrible as both crimes are, the real fear is that both behaviors may be precursors to something far more destructive.
My hope is that Bobo has escaped what was probably a very sad and hopeless life. Too bad it took something like this for that to happen.
And while I would like to see this woman get some help, I hope to God there is never another animal put in her care.
October 23, 2008
9:48 a.m.
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Trillbaby writes:
I have to agree with UNV_ME, while I don't think that this woman should go unpunished for her crime - I believe that we do seriously lack compassion for those with mental illness... As the parent of a paranoid schizophrenic I can understand how things like this can happen. They hear and see things that aren't really there even WHEN they are medicated in some circumstances. I truly feel bad for the animal, it breaks my heart. However, that does not justify mistreating a human being in retaliation - that won't bring Bobo back. I have pets of my own and would be devastated if something happened to any of them, however I do not believe the lives of my animals take precedence over the life of any human being, sick or not.
The horrible part is most people react this way because they are painfully unaware of the suffering people with these diseases go through on a regular basis. If you really want to bring justice for Bobo and other animals in his situation, then volunteer at a local shelter that deals with mentally ill patients, learn about the problems they face; don't just write them off as sick and demented... they are sick... and they deserve just as much assistance as afforded the animials in our lives and more.
October 23, 2008
9:51 a.m.
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buzzman writes:
coloradohunter was right-
October 23, 2008
9:51 a.m.
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Trillbaby writes:
I have to agree with UNV_ME, while I don't think that this woman should go unpunished for her crime - I believe that we do seriously lack compassion for those with mental illness... As the parent of a paranoid schizophrenic I can understand how things like this can happen. They hear and see things that aren't really there even WHEN they are medicated in some circumstances. I truly feel bad for the animal, it breaks my heart. However, that does not justify mistreating a human being in retaliation - that won't bring Bobo back. I have pets of my own and would be devastated if something happened to any of them, however I do not believe the lives of my animals take precedence over the life of any human being, sick or not.
The horrible part is most people react this way because they are painfully unaware of the suffering people with these diseases go through on a regular basis. If you really want to bring justice for Bobo and other animals in his situation, then volunteer at a local shelter that deals with mentally ill patients, learn about the problems they face; don't just write them off as sick and demented... they are sick... and they deserve just as much assistance as afforded the animials in our lives and more. (sorry if this posts twice - it never showed up for me).
October 23, 2008
9:52 a.m.
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UNV_ME writes:
I'm not here to argue... my point is that the world would be a better place if we had the same compassion for each other as individuals, as we do for animals. I really don't think that is a "terrible thing to say"... I also find this to be entirely true of our society. Deny that and you'd only be lying to yourself.
October 23, 2008
9:56 a.m.
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Jubei writes:
UNV_ME:
1 - Love and compassion for animals and love and compassion for humans are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I would say that most of the true pet lovers out there are some of the finest, most compassionate human beings you'll find. And as an earlier poster suggested, pet's typically do not exhibit the capacity for malice and cruelty that many humans do. Given the choice, I'd rather spend time with my dogs than most of the people I meet.
2 - Actually, no, I don't envy you at all. I'm sure that handle makes for a catchy license plate though.
October 23, 2008
9:58 a.m.
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sweetater writes:
If this woman is put in jail for a long time she WILL not get the help she needs, they don't have the funding. Funding dried up for the Mentally Ill a long time ago folks and I think it is sad also. Like I said before though I love the whole dumb world. Yes we are more compassionate with animals and someone in an earlier post had stated why we are more compassionate towards our furry friends very well. They as children are not asked to be brought in this world. Animals have an unconditional love,and compassion I think humans could learn a few things from them.
October 23, 2008
10 a.m.
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Creative_N_Denver writes:
This is really heartbreaking that Bobo was unable to make it through this. I understand the need to want to help an animal stay alive. The vet didn't know that the internal organs were already starting to fail. Medicine is not an exact science, never was. No one really knows if an animal is suffering, I have seen animals comfort their owners and then die. Only to find out that the animal was suffering from internal issues such as cancer or poisoning. This is a reminder to love and care for the animals you have and if able to spread your love to those who have no one.
October 23, 2008
10:01 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
UNV_ME writes: "We have so much compassion for animals... but lack so much when it comes to humans. It just makes no sense."
I am genuinely saddened to read you feel this way. Because I can't imagine how anyone could reach such a conclusion unless he or she has never been the recipient of compassion from another human being before, considering so many people have pets and do care about animal welfare. If this is the case, you honestly have my sympathy.
Especially since my own experience is the very opposite. Many of my animal advocate friends have shown love and caring towards me during challenging times in my life, especially when I was pregnant and the first several weeks after birth when I was just wiped out.
They also have children of their own, have adopted others, as well as fostered children with special needs. They take care of their elderly parents, and they volunteer for human rights causes, too.
I guess what I'm trying to gently point out is that having compassion for animals doesn't mean you have none left over for your fellow human beings. It just means you have enough for both.
I do hope that somehow, some way, this will become apparent to you in your own life soon.
October 23, 2008
10:05 a.m.
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Sowie writes:
Mental illness or another excuse? Anyone who do this to a dog or any animals should be locked up FOREVER! I have 2 dogs and I love them like my own children. I would never hurt them and I would not want to see them in pain whatsoever. They're God's creatures and should never be treated any different. That woman deserved to be locked up for the rest of her life.
October 23, 2008
10:06 a.m.
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RDenver writes:
Being a dog lover and owner, I am thankful that the little guy isn't suffering anymore. And hats off to the Wheat Ridge Animal Hospital for everything they tried to do for the dog. People that treat dogs this way are the lowest form of scum. I know people that have mental diseases and they would never do this to another living creature so enough of this 'the devil made me do it' defense. And Shane L comments that it was just a dog......! Sad that people give so little meaning to the lives of animals.
October 23, 2008
10:08 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
UNV_ME writes: "I'm not here to argue... my point is that the world would be a better place if we had the same compassion for each other as individuals, as we do for animals."
Not to give you more grief, but again, I have not seen such an imbalance as you apparently have. Perhaps you could offer some supporting details?
Particularly in the realm of justice, I see that people can get away with horrific crimes towards animals that would give them the death penalty if they'd done the same thing to a human being. One particular case comes to mind, where two thugs in Atlanta baked a puppy to death in a community center. They got ten years, which is an unusually long sentence for animal cruelty, BUT the prosecutor only managed to get even that sentence by taking on a breaking and entering charge.
And think about the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Most rescue efforts by private citizens and groups were geared towards rescuing the stranded people. Far fewer organizations, in comparison, went in there to rescue lost or abandoned pets. In fact, the authorities gave them a heck of a time in terms of allowing them to even do so.
I hate that we have to use a scorecard here. Wouldn't it be a good thing to just have a general consensus against cruelty towards all of the defenseless in our world? Especially since study after study shows that those who torture animals often have human beings next on their list.
October 23, 2008
10:15 a.m.
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UNV_ME writes:
That was a general statement. Meaning overall people have an easier time finding compassion for animals as they do for fellow humans. People say they are crying. Do these same people cry when they hear about a person (they never met) who passed away early... either by a car accident, medical condition, etc. Do they show the same compassion as they do for that dog? I would think not.
October 23, 2008
10:18 a.m.
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gs writes:
In response to UNV_ME, and to all of you that reponded to UNV_ME's post; please compare and contrast the posts here regarding a dog and the posts regarding a dead 15 year girl from George Washington High School. Please compare the number of posts as well as the compassion emoted. I don't think much more need be said.
October 23, 2008
10:19 a.m.
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DenverTea writes:
I too love the whole dumb world. However, I also believe in Karma...the consequences for actions such as these do come around - don't draw negative karma to yourself by hating or condoning hate. It doesnt help anything.
October 23, 2008
10:20 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
sorry, make that "tacking on" a breaking & entering charge, which actually carried a longer sentence than the animal cruelty one did.
October 23, 2008
10:21 a.m.
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ou8one2 writes:
It is terrible the way this dog was killed, but it was just a dog. How many of you sit at your computers and cry for the thousands of unborn children killed each day? Oh, but that is the mother's "right" to kill a defenseless child. (Talk about cruel and heartless!!) At least an animal has a chance to run away or bite someone in it's defense.
How many of you send money to or spend time working with orphanages, adoption agencies, or mental institutions? None I will bet, but I am sure most of you posting here spend lots of time and money on animal shelters.
October 23, 2008
10:23 a.m.
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peterpi writes:
My partner and I have two cats, I'll give them extra hugs, and I too am crying. It strikes me hard because pets don't know what's happening to them. They are totally dependent on us. I think of the pain, desperation and confusion Bobo faced in that fire. They give love and affection, and all they ask is love and affection in return.
I'm going to believe the doctors when they say they managed the dog's pain, and for any believers on the page, may we pray that "All Dogs Go To Heaven", like the title of a 1990s movie states.
If this woman is mentally ill, I hope she's treated and the state can find a way to make sure she's never allowed around pets again. Ditto small children, as some others have said. If the "mental illness" claim is a dodge, I hope she';s sentenced to the maximum sentence, with the same resatrictions when she's released.
October 23, 2008
10:29 a.m.
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tallguy writes:
Rest in peace Bobo, we'll be looking for you on the other side.
October 23, 2008
10:29 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
UNV_ME, I see what you're saying, but one reason this story is eliciting such response is because of it's shocking nature. This didn't have to happen and so it's eliciting quite a bit of outrage.
Generally speaking, we as a society are appalled by intentional acts of cruelty, or greatly saddened by preventable tragedies. Believe me, if this story was about a child who suffered the same fate, the responses would likely be ten times as long on this thread.
And by the same token, if the RMN ran a story about a dog who just died of, say, liver cancer, we'd all be collectively wondering why they're running the story.
October 23, 2008
10:31 a.m.
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sweetater writes:
UNV-ME,
Yes I do have the same compassion for humans as I do for the animals. To this day I cry for Chandler Grafner and many more humans I never knew. In fact trying to comfort myself with the thought that Bobo is with Chandler right now ,licking his face and cuddling up next to him,showing him the unconditional love that was not given to him here. Maybe most of us don't know what to say about the girl from George Washington to comfort her family. I couldn't even imagine losing a child. Any child at any age.
DenverTea you are right karma comes back to those good bad or indifferent .
October 23, 2008
10:32 a.m.
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peterpi writes:
Sorry if I post twice: I tried posting and it seemed to poof!
I also am crying. My partner and I have two cats, Rocky and Bullwinkle, and we love them dearly.
I hope Ms. Martin gets the treatment she needs if she's mentally ill, the maximum sentence if her relatives are trying to create a "mental illness" dodge, and either way, that the state does everything it can to make sure she's never allowed pets or to be around small children.
All that poor dog wanted was love and affection.
For any belivers on this website, regardless of your belief, may we pray that "All Dogs Go To Heaven".
October 23, 2008
10:37 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
ou8one2, we're lucky as a society that we have folks working on many fronts towards making this world a more compassionate place to live for more living beings.
We have people who are fighting for the rights of unborn children, for the rights of children already alive, for the elderly, for war refugees, and yes, for animals. Just to name a few.
All of these efforts work towards an ever-expanding, true culture of life.
October 23, 2008
10:40 a.m.
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temurlan writes:
DenverTea, I have to agree. Those that abuse animals or children will have some bad karma coming their way.
Thanks goes out to the doctors and workers at the clinic for trying.
October 23, 2008
10:51 a.m.
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JustSayin writes:
Okay, ou8one2, it was an inappropriate soapbox (this one's about 'doghood'), but we've gotten your political point. Now please go back to your bible studies and stop trying to force your interpretation of morals and your religion down the throats of everyone else.
To paraphrase one of the pro-48 commercials "it's been scientifically proven that over-bearing religious and socially conservative people are genetically unique since conception. In the past, it was thought they were just rude people with a learned propensity too judge others harshly and be over-concerned for things that were none of their business, but now we know they are unique beings from the start."
October 23, 2008
10:59 a.m.
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sweetater writes:
Hey Davies,
You go to the top of my list ,thanks for saving the animals you have. Yes they are all to full capacity with animals, last time I went a teenage girl just sitting there holding her dogs paw apologizing ,they had to give it up due to foreclosure on thier house. These also are creating the no more room conditions,but animal shelters seem to find the room. But for your information they are not called MUTTS in my book anymore( mine is 1/2 shitzu 1/2 jack russell) they are called "Designer Dogs"
October 23, 2008
11:01 a.m.
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GladysKravitz writes:
May Bobo rest with the doggy angels in heaven and may Tanya M. Martin burn in hell!
October 23, 2008
11:05 a.m.
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Garip writes:
GS:
Hey, I'm sorry the 15 year old girl got run over by a car, but this IS different.
In this case, the dog, who was clearly dependent on the 'human' to take care of it, was killed, murdered actually, by a very sick individual. It was purposeful and the dog had NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE HEC WAS HAPPENING.
When a human dies in an accident, it is an understandable thing, in that ACCIDENTS happen!!! People make choices, sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes crap happens, and there are consequences. This dog, (a living, viable creature) however, made NO CHOICE WHATSOEVER and the 'human' took its little life in one of the most horrible ways possible.
To compare this story to the story of the poor girl that was hit by a car and complain that the folks here who are crying are less than sympathetic towards her and her family is:
1) ignorant 2) simplistic 3) incorrect.
You can't compare apples to oranges and that is exactly what you were trying to do.
October 23, 2008
11:11 a.m.
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Spiritrider writes:
If she was that mentally ill, how could they let her live by herself, and in charge to care for a dog? If the neighbors weren't as watchful, that whole apartment building could have caught fire. She needs to be somewhere with 24/7 supervision. Never in charge of herself, or any other life. Her family should take care of her at their home where they can watch her or should pay for her institutional care (not from our taxes).
October 23, 2008
11:11 a.m.
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davies writes:
sweetater: You rate pretty good yourself with the "I love the whole dumb world" comment; I really liked that.
We'll find something to disagree on some other day I guess ;-)
October 23, 2008
11:17 a.m.
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blacksho89 writes:
Sassy and littletonmama: The death penalty for mentally ill people?!? WTheF?!?
You two need to get a life.
October 23, 2008
11:18 a.m.
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peterpi writes:
Garip, your paragraph beginning "In this case" summed it up brilliantly and is what I've been thinking about. Thank you.
October 23, 2008
11:20 a.m.
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Avery520 writes:
It was with a very heavy heart that I read this story. I abhor people who abuse animals and children. There is never a reason or an excuse for such a despicable act! I sincerely hope the woman who did this is punished severely. Mental disorder or not, there is no excuse. Unfortunately, the laws do not allow for harsh enough punishments for people who mistreat animals.
There is a very alarming trend among the media reporters today; it is the practice of including that the perpetrator of some heinous act suffers from a mental disorder. This implies that the perpetrator does not know or understand the difference between right and wrong and should somehow be absolved of responsibililty and excused from punishment! In only a VERY SMALL percentage of cases is an individual so impaired mentally that he/she does not understand the difference between right and wrong. My son has schizo-affective type Bipolar Disorder, ODD, and ADD for which he takes a plethora of medication. However, even without his medication he knows and understands the difference between right and wrong. He also has an IQ of 187. Even people with IQ's of 70 can differentiate between right and wrong. The media has done a disservice to the victims of crime and to the people who suffer from mental illness and/or disorder with irresponsible reporting.
People such as Bobo's owner should be held accountable for their acts and punished to the fullest extent of the law. I hope that Bobo is running, romping, and playing in the land across the Rainbow Bridge, and that he has already made many, many new friends. May he forever be happy!
October 23, 2008
11:23 a.m.
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TallGirl writes:
JustSayin, you hit the nail right on the head! THANK YOU! ou8one2, your comment was completely off topic and inappropriate. And how the heck was this dog supposed to "run away" when its legs were bound together with speaker wire, hmmm????
October 23, 2008
11:25 a.m.
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sweetater writes:
Davies, Maybe
October 23, 2008
11:28 a.m.
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TallGirl writes:
sorry if this ends up popping up twice....
JustSayin, you hit the nail right on the head. THANK YOU! ou8one2, your comment was completely off topic and inappropriate. And how the heck was this poor dog supposed to "run away" when his legs were bound with speaker wire, hmmmm?????
October 23, 2008
11:38 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
"Designer Dogs" Very cute sweetater!
October 23, 2008
11:43 a.m.
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Macita183 writes:
Why are so people so judgemental when it comes to donating/feeling bad for abused animals? A lot of times people put themselves in bad situations and want others to fix it for them. Animals never asked to be in the situation they were in and are more loyal than the majority of people out there.
If this woman was so "mental challenged" why was she living alone, unsupervised, away from her family? It's funny how when people are in trouble their "mental incapicities" suddenly come to light. I'm not saying this woman didn't have issues but to tell me she didn't know right from wrong, I just don't buy it. It's a cope out. She deserves to punished for what she did and barred from ever owning another animal.
October 23, 2008
11:59 a.m.
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DenGirl writes:
Oh Bobo... cross the rainbow bridge, your new friends will be there waiting.
October 23, 2008
11:59 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
I only have two things to say:
1. This little guy should have been put down. He suffered unnessasarily.
2. Let me at this low life piece of scum. But first let me make sure I have enough gas in my cutting torch.
October 23, 2008
12:06 p.m.
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VBREF writes:
let us remember not too judge, but to show compassion. yes it is horrible, but we do not know the full circumstances of the owner. my thought process is simple, Bobo went home fully healed and painless, and perhaps the owner will get the help she needs. no one deserves the negative treatment, be it words or actions.
and nothing short of a huge THANK YOU to those who reached out in one way or another to help with this sadness.
October 23, 2008
12:07 p.m.
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incorrect1 writes:
The punishment should fit the crime, roast her for awhile over an open flame.
October 23, 2008
12:09 p.m.
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ifyem writes:
Sounds like we have quite a few Internet Rambos online today!!
October 23, 2008
12:21 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
What a sick community......
As of 12:15pm there are 69 posts going hysterical over a dog being killed. And 6 posts about a girl that was killed.
What a sick bunch of people that get more hysterical over a dog, than a child.
October 23, 2008
12:24 p.m.
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JB writes:
Some of the horrible things I have seen said on here with regards to this woman... Don't get me wrong, yes, what she did was horrific and unimaginable to the vast majority of us, but I suspect both Trillbaby and Davies can speak even in more detail about the how mental illness can affect a person.
It's sad, because I see so many people here posting about how it must just be an excuse. That only goes to show how little people truly understand how uncontrollable mental ilness is... and how intene its affects are.
I had a very good friend, mentally ill, the first anyone actually realized is when they found him locked in his apartment after spending all night cutting deeply into himself looking for the government tracking device. He believed as truly as the sky is blue that the government was following him and that he had been implanted with a tracking device. He nearly died from that... got treatment and is now a fully functioning member of society. He has "moments" of up and down, so is not "cured" by any means.
Before judging this woman too harshly, please realize the how awful mental illness is and hope she gets some real help... and go adopt a dog who needs a good home!
October 23, 2008
12:39 p.m.
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SD_JD writes:
Another response to UNV - debating compassion for humans vs. animals. You have forgotten on very important fact. Humans have free will - we are higher up on the food chain and intelligence ladder. We can distinguish between right and wrong. Now obviously this woman was not operating on all pistons, but what about Bobo. He didn't have any choice of how he was treated. He was helpless and at this sick persons mercy. So many people in the world today make such poor choices, bad decisions, that is hard to have sympathy for any of them. That is why so many people feel bad about this situation.
October 23, 2008
12:39 p.m.
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GladysKravitz writes:
Well said Mecita! I live with a family member with developmental disabilites and she knows right from wrong even with her functional delays. She also loves working with animals at Max Fund. I have managed to get her back into the workforce, and life skill productive activities to advance her independance.
The family of the woman who murdered this defenseless dog, bears some burden for her welfare. Not that they are responsible for her cruel actions, but should have made sure she was properly being looked after in a supervised living enviornment. I hope she is never permitted to be left alone to harm anything or anyone again and that she is properly punished for what she did.
Maybe this can also turn into a positive to Vote YES on 51 so that the developmentally disabled get the funding and support of programs they need without having to be placed on waiting lists.
VOTE YES ON 51!
October 23, 2008
12:42 p.m.
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gs writes:
Please read what JB has to say before going on at length about the woman should be drawn and quartered. There really is something to what JB has experienced.
October 23, 2008
12:45 p.m.
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Admiral108 writes:
The dog would have suffered less if it were just shot.
October 23, 2008
12:46 p.m.
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GladysKravitz writes:
BiotchMAMA, "I guess I'm just trying to somewhat justify her actions, even though I know it's hard to. " With all due respect there is no justification for this cruelty.
October 23, 2008
12:58 p.m.
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Grim_Reefer writes:
What a sad outcome. I feel bad about Bobo's fate. He looked like such a cute little dog, and I thought he'd make it, all wrapped up, little black nose exposed.
R.I.P. Bobo, and have fun in the eternal happy hunting ground.
October 23, 2008
1:07 p.m.
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sweetater writes:
BiotchMAMA, Here I will answer your question.
Don't know if she had the dog the whole time, but he was 6 years old. She has mental illnesses of bi polor and also schizophrenia, after her arrest she talked incoherently and has not said anything about the dog why she did it or otherwise. I have had a few mentally ill friends myself and as the poster stated before one I knew did hear voices and as strange as it is like the person before she always thought it was voices of the goverment and they were watching her that they had cameras installed in her light fixtures, to the point she would sleep in the courtyard where she lived no matter how cold cause the voices kept her awake.
Yes she would talk to herself, and didn't want you to call her by name in front of people or in public because of spies.It is a sad sad disease I will tell you, but if she goes to jail folks SHE WILL NOT GET THE therapy she needs. I feel for this little guy don't get me wrong me and my little furry girl has been saying prayers for her. I feel like whoever bought or got this animal should be charged with cruelty to animals and neglecting the owner.
October 23, 2008
1:08 p.m.
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Spencer writes:
I would bet that no one feels worse than the mentally ill woman. She reportedly loved that dog and probably has no idea why she did what she did and is in pure misery now. Anyone who can't find compassion for that deserves to become mentally ill themselves.
October 23, 2008
1:18 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
SD_JD....
"He didn't have any choice of how he was treated. He was helpless and at this sick persons mercy. "
So if "he" had been an unborn child, would you be saying the same thing.... or would you be saying that it's the woman's right to decide what to do with "it"?
October 23, 2008
1:21 p.m.
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peterpi writes:
I don't think anyone on this forum is attacking the mentally ill. If this woman is mentally ill, I hope she gets all the treatment she needs. But, people can be sickeningly cruel to animals without being mentally ill.
Either way, jail or treatment, she should never be allowed to be alone with animals, period. And since some social scientists report a correlation between animal cruelty and harm to others, she shoudn't be allowed to be alone with children, either.
October 23, 2008
1:25 p.m.
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peterpi writes:
note to self: ignore rickg and his one-cell mind.
October 23, 2008
1:49 p.m.
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October 23, 2008
1:57 p.m.
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RandomPaths writes:
Where there is no kindness, there is no spirituality. Even the bible has instructions (in the Torah, no less) about kindness to animals. People have thrown those instructions away, so you end up with people like this who will committ such a horrible deed.
Deu 22:6 If a bird's nest chance to be before thee in the way in any tree, or on the ground, [whether they be] young ones, or eggs, and the dam sitting upon the young, or upon the eggs, thou shalt not take the dam with the young:
All through the scriptures it talks about kindness, and how people will be blessed for kindness. Who knows what cruelties the woman was the victim of, but as adults we have to change our hearts. No one can do that for us.
Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
...and another concerning the kindness to animals:
Pro 12:10 A righteous [man] regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked [are] cruel.
October 23, 2008
2 p.m.
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HollyGoLightly writes:
I don't know what goes through the head of someone severely mentally ill because I haven't experienced it but I believe that they do not know nor realize that they are ill. They honestly believe the sets of circumstances when they hallucinate.
October 23, 2008
2:02 p.m.
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davies writes:
rickg: May I ask what mercy, kindness and/or consideration that you personally show children who ARE born?
October 23, 2008
2:07 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
86 hysterical rants over a dead dog.
9 posts about a dead girl.
And some deranged people even whine that they can't achieve even more "outrage" over a dead animal..... while ignoring a dead child.
October 23, 2008
2:26 p.m.
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sweetater writes:
I just looked at the denver Post and they had an article yesterday I believe. She adopted Bobo a year ago from Dumb Friends Legue, and her mother states that is when she stopped taking her medicine also. She did hear voives and hallucinated, Tanya had been evicted a little while ago because she was causing alot of trouble with the neighbors and being very rude. The mother states that she bought outfits for him so he looked "just right" on their walks together and she had also asked for help from Social Services, with her illness. But they never got to it. Again I must ask why they didn't move her in with a family member or at least take the dog from her.
October 23, 2008
2:27 p.m.
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Deadwingsuck writes:
May Bobo RIP and his owner get a hung jury and MOVE ON to REAL NEWS!
Geeze animals die daily...I agree Duncan...is this newsworthy C'mon!?
October 23, 2008
2:50 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
If you ever needed proof that we live in a fallen World; stories like this one, Atlanta, Westy, etc. are all you need.
Let's hear it for the neighbor who refused to just look away and mind their own business! They made the call and stood up for the defenseless - if more did the same, this would be a better World.
Make a Choice.
RIP little buddy - you deserved better.
October 23, 2008
2:59 p.m.
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nocojames writes:
Rickg et al: The reason why there's so much outrage over this incident and less over an accidental death is that stories of preventable animal abuse are so prevalent and are still on the rise. Accidental deaths, while regrettable and tragic, are still accidental. Outrage over an accident usually won't prevent another one from happening. Outrage over a deliberate act of animal abuse may help prevent it from happening in the future.
Deadwing: yeah, people die every day too...does that make certain instances of it less news-worthy? And what 'real news' do you want to move on to? Anything that the news would report has happened before and is, by your criterion, not newsworthy.
October 23, 2008
3:22 p.m.
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mamanorah writes:
I believe in God, but I don't pray to Her very often. But when I heard about Bobo's terrible burns, I begged God to take him Home. Thank You for answering in the affirmative. Now if we could only figure out a legal way to put his mistress out of HER misery! Mamma God????
October 23, 2008
3:36 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Nocojames....
I wish you were correct, but I fear you're not.
There may be more stories about "preventable animal abuse", but it's always been around. In fact, its highly likely that there is LESS animal abuse today than in the past.
I don't believe that outrage is needed in the case of accidents.... but it is a sad commentary on society when a young girl is killed and only a handful take the time and effort to even make note of it. While 10 times as many are willing to do so about an animal.
October 23, 2008
3:42 p.m.
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littletonmama writes:
Blacksho89...where does it say anything about the death penalty?
I'm sitting at my computer crying for the loss of this poor sweet dog. This woman needs to be burned and she how she likes it. Horrible woman...I don't care if she is mentally ill.
SassyFox...I agree!!!! I'm crying also. At the same time, I am watching our 17 month old son snuggling up with our dog watching Sesame Street and it's comforting me.
October 23, 2008
3:45 p.m.
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mamanorah writes:
My prayer to God has been answered .... Bobo is Home now and will suffer no more. Now if we could just find a legal means of putting his former owner out of HER misery.... Why was that woman living on her own?????
October 23, 2008
4:30 p.m.
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cleekmaker00 writes:
A simple solution for her punishment, on the lines of "an eye for an eye':
Tied up with speaker cord, standing on a tipped over wood orange crate filled with sawdust & lighter fluid, and a hurricane match, lit and thrown inside the orange crate.
Like I said... an eye for an eye.
October 23, 2008
4:40 p.m.
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UNV_ME writes:
mamanorah writes: My prayer to God has been answered
Really? Next time you get a hold of God tell him there are millions of suffering people in the world who are pi$$ed off he's answering to prayers for dogs and not human life. When he answers you again tell him to stop screening his calls!
October 23, 2008
4:47 p.m.
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SierraStorm writes:
UNV_ME writes:
We have so much compassion for animals... but lack so much when it comes to humans. It just makes no sense.
A lot of truth here: Here is a good example of how the human psyche works. If a person is being tracked by dogs for whatever reason, and the person being tracked is armed or has the ability to kill the dog(s), it is better that the person being tracked kill the handler rather than the dog(s). Reason being, the killing of the dogs instills a sympathy and hostility unlike that of killing the handler. Go figure!
Don't get me wrong; I am as much a animal lover as the next ASPCA member as I have 6 dogs, 5 cats (dogs and cats having been strays or lost/abandoned) and five horses that people had no use for. I have spent considerable funds on the spaying and neutering of dogs and cats roaming the streets of the small town that I live in while others let them run free and uncaring creating problems for everybody. So remember; don't invoke the wrath of a hostile people by killing the dog(s), kill the handler. In the long run, you will be much for the better.
This war fighter also has shed a tear for Bobo. I feel the same way that many of you do. I had a little Yorky that I found along the highway out of Montrose, Colo and after having had him for 12 years then loosing him to heart failure I thought was the saddest day of my life but then a couple of years ago I had a little Min Pen that had been abandoned and I found her at a stable half starved where no one would take the time to feed her or adopt her. After having her for 8 years, she died in my arms from a serious infection where somebody had shot her in the right hind leg with a pellet gun. Then I had a steer that I bottle fed as a rejected calf and kept it for five years where little kids could ride him and he would follow me around like one of my dogs. One night three idiots ((3) as indicated by foot prints) had put a bullet between his eyes and made off with his hind quarters.
The Arapaho county investigator tells me that, " the case will never be solved, besides it was just an animal" but to me it was a very special animal that I saved from starvation as a calf.
There are a lot of nasty people in this world and whether it be a nastiness against humans or animals, the punishment rarely fits the crime.
Sorry for the extended diatribe. Just trying to make a point.
October 23, 2008
4:48 p.m.
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sweetater writes:
Freethought, I think that as far as doggie heaven or any as far as that goes I resort to it as a comforting measure,not anything else I have not attended a church since being forced to or bribed as a child. I can not speak for the others.Karma ? A different story diffeerent religions call it different things but do believe in it. Seen it happen in my own experiances. An abusive x I had walked all times he was charged on domestic violence BUT karma got him for me 20 years for soliciting drugs.
October 23, 2008
4:59 p.m.
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davies writes:
freethought writes:
"I have a big enough problem with the idea of "heaven". So now we have a doggy heaven, too? Please show me reference in your bible that talks anything about pet heaven. I think, like most of your christian ideals that this is made up also."
"The dog was not created at conception and it will not find a better place in the after life...GET REAL"
"I MEAN IT!!! GET REAL!!!"
"Would there be a doggy hell too for bad pit-bulls?"
Freethought, your sphincter seems a little too clenched today. What's the problem if people want to believe in a doggy heaven, where they get to chase slow cats made out of dark chocolate?
As for doggy hell, maybe that exists here on earth already, at your house ;-)
October 23, 2008
5:28 p.m.
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Bikegirl64 writes:
The story of this little dog has torn my heart up! I have lost sleep, been sick to my stomach, angry and very sad
for poor little BoBo. I am so glad to know that when the news came out of his death, I was not the only one crying.
My heart is broken for an innocent creature who trusted this person in his life to take care of him. I have thought
how on earth could she do this, how horrible this little deaf dog suffered being set on fire, and now they say he had
other ‘pre-existing’ problems that contributed to his death. My god! What else did she do, or NOT do for him. This
woman needs to be in an institution….FOREVER!! The only thing I’ve been able to do to relieve the sadness over BoBo,
is to love my little dog even more. To look at her and know that I have loved her more than a person can. She’s my constant and
faithful companion. She has never known anything of what BoBo went through. ….. and she never will!
October 23, 2008
6:11 p.m.
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jhdteacher writes:
animal abuse = mental illness
seems clear to me
(now go do something good for an animal in need)
October 23, 2008
6:22 p.m.
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7_ogNiOj writes:
There is no "heaven" which makes taking life all the worse. I wish they would have put this little guy out of his misery right away, rather than using him as some fund raiser. There was just no way he was going to pull through this type of horror.
October 23, 2008
6:53 p.m.
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coarizona writes:
Makes me ill to think the suffering that dog went thru. This is a sad story to read about.
October 23, 2008
7:56 p.m.
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RoyalPayne writes:
A Dogs Plea
Treat me kindly, my beloved friend, for no heart in all the world is more grateful for kindness than the loving heart of me.
Do not break my spirit with a stick, for though I might lick your hand between blows, your patience and untersanding will more quickly teach me the things you would have me learn.
Speak to me often, for your voice is the world's sweetest music, as you must know by the fierce wagging of my tail when the sound of your footstep falls upon my waiting ear.
Please take me outside when it is cold and wet, for I am a domesticated aminal, no longer accustomed to bitter elements.
And, my friend, when I am old and I can no longer enjoy good health, hearing or sight, do not make hroic efforts to keep me going. Please see to it that my life is taken gently. I shall leave this earth knowing with the last breath I draw that my fate was always safest in your hands. God Bless You Bobo, RIP
October 23, 2008
8:59 p.m.
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arthistorybabe writes:
"Being admitted to the profession of veterinary medicine,
I solemnly swear to use my scientific knowledge and skills for the benefit of society through the protection of animal health, the relief of animal suffering, the conservation of livestock resources, the promotion of public health, and the advancement of medical knowledge.
I will practice my profession conscientiously, with dignity, and in keeping with the principles of veterinary medical ethics.
I accept as a lifelong obligation the continual improvement of my professional knowledge and competence."
October 23, 2008
9:51 p.m.
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thumper writes:
Man....I had written this whole post that somehow I screwed up and deleted.
Basic message was that vets are just as committed to their patients as are MDs. I'm sure if there was no hope when Bobo arrived at the hospital they would've put him out of his misery right then. Can't do that with Humans, can we? Not a single vet I've ever known (been in medicine for 33 years) would ever put an animal though this sort of regiment without hope. It appears that they were extremely sensitive to managing Bobo's pain and doing what they could to evaluate his condition.
This woman should've never been allowed to have an animal in the first place if she had mental problems. There is where the real fault lies. Unfortunately for Bobo, someone trusted her with his care when they shouldn't have and he suffered because of it.
Cases of abuse are extremely disturbing whether it involves an innocent Human or animal. There isn't a day that passes that I don't think about Chandler Grafner and he's just an example because it's a recent case. How is an innocent life supposed to defend itself under the circumstances these monsters put them in? No matter what species, is the pain any less?
Lets hope the generous funds donated during these past few days will save a number of other innocent lives. I know some people will say "it was only a dog" but any animal lover will totally understand.
October 24, 2008
1:04 a.m.
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Ozzie writes:
Her little 'mental illness' excuse better not let her go free...poor Bobo...
October 24, 2008
1:28 a.m.
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October 24, 2008
1:45 a.m.
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DiamondDragon53 writes:
It's a shame that poor Bobo had to be the pet of a person whose mind was not entirely here. Although oftentimes these atrocities happen with people who are totally sane. Why do we humans have to torture not only animals but also ourselves (mostly children). This is so bizarre and so tragic.
October 24, 2008
9:07 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
DiamondDragon,
I don't think someone could be totally sane and commit an act like this. I think it takes a mentally disturbed mind, even though it may not be diagnosed.
October 24, 2008
9:09 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
DiamondDragon,
I don't think a person can be totally sane and commit an act like this. I think it takes a mentally disturbed mind, even though it may not be diagnosed.
October 24, 2008
9:32 a.m.
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RufusTFirefly writes:
little miss mental illness needs to be placed in a community with her own kind. there are wonderful facilities everywhere. her family needs to seriously look into this.
i used to have a yorkie, i loved her dearly. i took her away from a family that abused her.
and Duckster if you are talking about the mentally ill that commit crime, than yes i strongly agree with your 10/23/08 9:32am posting.
October 24, 2008
10:37 a.m.
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davies writes:
As to the suggestion regarding "little miss mental illness", remember to consider that she is a 38-year-old adult. Her family has no legal authority to compel her to do something, any more than you or I. She must be ascertained by the mental health system to be a danger to herself or others, before she can be compelled by law to be hospitalized or receive any other particular treatment. This incident should certainly provide evidence of such danger, but I just want to emphasize, it's not a family decision when the woman is an adult.
October 24, 2008
10:56 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
I suspect that the family thought the dog would be good therapy for her. Especially if she had shown no signs of abusive behavior.
Poor, poor Bobo. I thought about this as I was holding my cat last night in front of the fireplace (she was verrrry safe!). How horrible for any animal or person to be burned like Bobo was.
October 24, 2008
12:11 p.m.
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RufusTFirefly writes:
yes davies you are correct. i know how old the woman is, that was my sarcasm.
October 24, 2008
1:28 p.m.
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rusty7010 writes:
I am also so very sorry for little Bobo. I believe our dogs and cats are angels sent from God to help us through this life. I have three pets also and love them dearly and would never in a million years think of harming one hair on their bodies. BUT, I am NOT mentally ill. All the people who posted that this woman should be burned...should be tortured also....didn't care if she WAS mentally ill, how dare you. You have no idea what it is like to have the mental illness she was burdened with.
Of course you love animals, but you have no right to condem this woman. When she did this, she was not the person who bought and loved this dog. I know what I am talking about because I gave birth to, raised and loved a young woman that was hit by bi-polar disorder/shizophrenia. She was a beautiful young woman. But when she was not on her meds, she was someone else. She never got to the point of hurting her animals, but she did get to the point of physically hurting her family, husband, friends, etc. But we knew this was not the young woman we loved. Mental illness can turn someone you love and know into a monster!! But that monster is NOT the person you know and love. They do not have control over their own minds. They don't know what they are doing. The mental illness takes over. So, how can any of you think you know what this woman deserves?? She will, hopefully, be put in a good place that will help her and give her what she needs. Unfortunately, she will never be cured, so she will live the rest of her life in mental pain and anguish and guilt for what she has done. You all should be made to walk in her shoes if only for a day. You wouldn't be able to handle it. And you should all thank the good Lord above that you can sit there at your computer and type those comments without being burdened by a mental illness so devastating that you can't function as a normal person.
October 24, 2008
7:11 p.m.
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ljp writes:
When are we as defenders of those who cannot protect themselves finally going to stand up and say enough is enough. I am sick of people abusing pets. elderly, children etc. I can no longer ignore what is happening. If I have to send tons of emails to get this message across - then that is what needs to be done. We can no longer let this go on. Voices have to be heard. This woman and others like her need a place in prison -solitary confinement - for the rest of their pathetic lives.
October 25, 2008
12:54 a.m.
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TallGirl writes:
RICKG, 19611 AND OU8ONE2.... you guys are very talented at inserting your opinions on abortion into every single story posted in the news. I wouldn't pi$$ on fire to put either of you out.