ROSEN: A principled conservative
By Mike Rosen, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published October 17, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.
Coloradans have traditionally been ticket splitters. They seem to prefer bipartisan governing to one-party rule. For a quarter-century, while they elected Democrats Dick Lamm and Roy Romer, successively, to serve as governor, they gave Republicans control of both houses of the state legislature for almost all of those years. Our congressional delegation has likewise had a mix of Democrats and Republicans, and statewide races have produced some strange political bedfellows serving simultaneously in the U.S. Senate - like conservative Bill Armstrong with liberal Gary Hart, and liberal Tim Wirth alongside conservative Hank Brown.
Now, with a Democratic governor, Bill Ritter, and Democrat majorities controlling both houses of the state legislature, Colorado's bipartisan tradition is at risk in this year's U.S. Senate race.
Wayne Allard, a conservative Republican, is retiring, making incumbent Ken Salazar our senior senator. Salazar ran as a moderate Democrat but has voted more like a liberal. Vying for Allard's vacated seat are Bob Schaffer, a mainstream conservative Republican, and Mark Udall, an extremely liberal Democrat. If Udall should win, Colorado will have moved further left politically than, perhaps, at any time in our state's history. Is this what we really want?
Ironically, Udall has feigned offense at the Schaffer campaign's labeling of him as a Boulder liberal. But that's precisely what he is. He lives in Boulder County, the political core of his congressional district, and his voting record is liberal.
Like most Democrats, he's joined at the hip with the labor unions, even co-sponsoring union-driven legislation to replace secret-ballot elections with an open "card check" system when employees vote on union certification. Based on his House votes in 2006, the Almanac of American Politics gives him an overall rating of 73 percent on the liberal scale. Among liberal interest groups, Udall scores 91 percent from the ACLU, 85 percent from Americans for Democratic Action and 86 percent from AFSCME, the government employee union. From conservative groups, he scored a meager 16 percent from the National Taxpayer's Union and 10 percent from the Club for Growth.
Udall has worn his liberal voting record as a badge of honor in past elections when he's courted Boulder liberals who dominate the 2nd Congressional District. What's changed, of course, is that now he's running for statewide office and needs the votes of nonliberal Coloradans who live outside of Boulder. That explains why he suddenly recoils from the liberal label and why he's changed positions on numerous issues. When Udall was pandering to Boulder tree huggers, he could afford to be a dogmatic enviro, opposing oil drilling and the building of new refineries. After gasoline hit four bucks a gallon, and it was clear that non-Boulderites understood that fossil fuels were essential to our economic well-being, Udall conveniently shifted gears and became a born-again driller and refiner.
I've known Bob Schaffer for 20 years, going back to his service in the Colorado Senate. As a U.S. representative, his knowledge of the issues was among the best in that body. Although he would have been easily re-elected to the U.S. House in 2002, he demonstrated his integrity by honoring his pledge and stepped down after three terms. He's a consistent, principled conservative. Schaffer's overall ranking from the Almanac of American Politics while in the U.S. House in 2000 was 65 percent on the conservative scale, more moderate than Udall's on the liberal scale.
Udall (the born-again driller and refiner) has attacked Schaffer for his private-sector employment in the oil industry. When did that become a sin? Without oil companies, we'd still be relegated to horses and buggies. And unlike Udall, at least Schaffer's had some business experience.
Democrats have been on a roll recently - the same Democrats who extol the virtues of diversity. Bipartisan Coloradans might follow their advice and not put all our Senate eggs in their one-party basket.
Mike Rosen's radio show airs weekdays from 9 a.m. to noon on 850 KOA. He can be reached by e-mail at mikerosen@850koa.com.
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October 17, 2008
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WestminsterJ writes:
>Without oil companies, we'd still be relegated to horses and buggies.
As if price-gouging near monopolies are the only possible mechanism for supplying oil (eye roll). Another paper-thin argument by the king of facile, Mike Rosen.
October 17, 2008
5:35 a.m.
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SheikYurBooty writes:
Rosen asserts: "Bob Schaffer, a mainstream conservative Republican, ..." WHATEVER!!!! Just because you can string the words together doesn't make it so, not even close in this case.
"If Udall should win, Colorado will have moved further left politically than, perhaps, at any time in our state's history. Is this what we really want?" According the polls I've seen, not just YES but HELL YES!!!!
Don't like if Mike? Then move to Utah. I heard the skiing's great there.
October 17, 2008
6:40 a.m.
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taoistblockhead writes:
Failed Republican policies fomented by selfish scheisters such as Grover Norquist, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Mike Rosen, Dan Caplis, etc have been proven tragically hollow and fatal. Obama, Udall and other progressive Democrats need to deliver the knock out blow and put the Party that doesn't believe in government out of its misery. George Bush campaigned on bipartisanship and we all saw what a laughable lie that was, and the tragedy of electing a Party unfit to lead this country.
Current Republican Party and "leadership" = Axis of Weasels.
October 17, 2008
6:49 a.m.
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eoj writes:
Democrats really know how to pick them?
Is this the October surprise?
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/...
October 17, 2008
7:04 a.m.
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ML writes:
That all you got, eoj? This has already been debunked many times. Get over it already.
October 17, 2008
7:25 a.m.
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AngelontheSidelines writes:
Republics are so desperate that they resort to the need for diversity in government? Vote GOP to keep government diverse. Now that is worth a laugh.
The GOP has destroyed themselves, the media is not liberal, cannot influence the electorate into voting liberal. The GOP is losing because their arrogance and disregard for their conservative roots leaves true conservatives out to dry.
Loyal right wingers are left with fear of secular socialism as their sole motivation.
October 17, 2008
7:28 a.m.
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Michael writes:
eoj - Here is the video that goes with that lawsuit:
http://www.americanpatrol.com/MISCNEW...
October 17, 2008
8:21 a.m.
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schnauzer writes:
I agree completely Mike. I am worried though about this election. I think we're going to get a lot of "Udalls" across the country along with the hard-core liberal agenda they will push. As a conservative though I was disappointed with our people spending tax money as bad as the Dems ever did. We had this coming and it might be a while until the political pendulum swings back our way.
October 17, 2008
8:52 a.m.
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ILoveChipotle writes:
Salazar is an embarrassment to this state & Udall is no better. Schaffer is a good man and will be great for this state.
October 17, 2008
9:17 a.m.
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LetsThink writes:
We really appreciate the editorials by Mike Rosen.
It's amazing the truth he uncovers, and provides to the RMN readers. Otherwise most of us would have no source to learn this truth.
Thanks so much.
October 17, 2008
9:38 a.m.
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Zim writes:
Mike,
An article full of how each candidate ranks with private political groups provides little useful information. Detail each candidate's major policy stances, and what you feel is harmful and/or beneficial about those stances, and you will have a better article actually worthy of being presented in a major daily. As hard as it typically is for Mike Rosen to fathom, most of us don't care about Democrat vs. Republican (as both parties are near identical in their socialist fiscal policies and mismanagement of governance).
Mike, your columns, especially lately, provide nothing other than the immature, political vitriol that the American voter is entirely sick of. Please start providing actual analysis and injecting some journalistic integrity into your pieces, as your recent articles are seriously harming your credibility and credentials as a traditional conservative.
October 17, 2008
9:51 a.m.
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COnative1966 writes:
Udall is for MORE EXPENSIVE GAS for our cars, MORE EXPENSIVE NATURAL GAS to heat our homes, and MORE EXPENSIVE ELECTRICITY to run our lives.
We can't afford Mark Udall.
October 17, 2008
10:05 a.m.
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October 17, 2008
10:15 a.m.
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Derge writes:
ML writes: "That all you got, eoj? This has already been debunked many times. Get over it already."
Dubunked? Obama's request to dimiss the case has not been granted by the presiding judge. Then he filed an order to delay revealing any evidence of his birth certificate.
In fact, the imaged from Obama's FightTheSmears website, which he claimed as 'proof'.... well...
State of Hawaii's Department of Health, Director of Communications Janice Okubo, confirms that the image published and circulated by the Obama campaign as his "birth certificate" lacks the necessary embossed seal and signature.
Also Janice Okubo has stated, "that it can only be printed and mailed. There is no such thing as an electronic only certification."
Yet the image had no folded creases.
October 17, 2008
10:43 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
Thanks for telling it like it is Mike Rosen. Unfortunately, the kids posting here don't get it. They make weak arugments based off of their feelings and not off of facts. Udall is way too liberal for our state. It's okay for Boulder because we know they're already out of touch, but how out of touch does the rest of the state want to be? Salazar ran as a moderate Democrat, but he hasn't been that and the tide turning against him for it is rising. Salazar hasn't done much representing Colorado on the national level.
Ritter won't have a second term, so we're fortunate for that. He's been a waste, given it to special interests, tried to raise taxes illegally...... Colorado can't afford to have these types of failures for our officials.
The only good thing that could come out of having so many Democrats in power is that it will finally shut some people up when they fail us. Blame the Republicans for every ill this country has, but there are two parties. The Democrats have controlled Congress the last two years, and what have they done? Democrats have controlled things here in our state for the last few years, and what do we have to show for that?
October 17, 2008
11:01 a.m.
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peterpi writes:
eoj,
Nice way for your side to insult people, calling them "Barry" in a lawsuit. That took an IQ of about, oh, 50 to dream that up. Even sophomores aren't that sophomoric.
OoooH I'm scared!!! I need a bed to hide under. Those nasty pink-loving liberals might win some seats! Barack Obama is actually a Russian-controlled Al Qaeda-directed Manchurian Candidate masquerading as a mild-mannered Democratic presidential candidate. Why, we'll all have to have prayer rugs in our living rooms! OoooH!
October 17, 2008
11:45 a.m.
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Derge writes:
peterpi writes: "eoj, Nice way for your side to insult people, calling them "Barry" in a lawsuit. That took an IQ of about, oh, 50 to dream that up. Even sophomores aren't that sophomoric."
That's another thing.
His birth name is Barry Soetoro.
Take a look yourself into what he claims to be his 'proof' :
http://www.fightthesmears.com/article...
October 17, 2008
11:46 a.m.
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blacksho89 writes:
taoistblockhead writes:
"Failed Republican policies fomented by selfish scheisters ..."
That's spelled Shyster, blockhead. It's Shakespearean. It's now considered a racist slur and generally not used in polite company.
October 17, 2008
12:48 p.m.
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no_more_republicans writes:
"ILoveChipotle writes:
Salazar is an embarrassment to this state & Udall is no better. Schaffer is a good man and will be great for this state."
I really like your name, as I also love Chipotle (Colorado company - yeah!), but, alas, I don't agree with your politics.
Schaffer had his chance in the house - and blew it.
Do we really want Colorado to go all Dem? Well, the Republicans have pretty much trashed our economy, turned a blind eye to most every issue important to Coloradoans and Americans and destroyed our reputation and credibility with the rest of the world.
Ken Salazar's not my favorite politician, but, he's an improvement over Ben Nighthorse Campbell. Mark Udall is also not my favorite politician, but, he'll be a huge improvement over Wayne "Top 5 Least Effective Senators" Allard.
So, I guess that answers your question, Mike.
October 17, 2008
12:55 p.m.
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no_more_republicans writes:
schnauzer writes:
"As a conservative though I was disappointed with our people spending tax money as bad as the Dems ever did. We had this coming and it might be a while until the political pendulum swings back our way."
I'm a liberal, so perhaps you'll take my praise with a grain of salt. However, you're exactly right - I have a number of conservative friends who prefer to explain away the excesses of the Bush Administration instead of owning up for what it is: a huge failure.
Prior to the Bush Administration, I used to have calm discussions with my con friends over the issues, and we could either come to some sort of understanding or just agree to disagree. Since Bush stole the '00 election - and especially since 9/11 - most of these conservatives would have none of my questioning of their previously undisputed principles. I hear a lot of references to the 'Cult of Obama,' but, it seems to me that Rush Limbaugh admitting that he was carrying water for the Republican party back in '06 pretty much told me what I needed to know about "conservative principles."
You, schnauzer, maybe the exception. Good on you.
October 17, 2008
1:02 p.m.
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peterpi writes:
Thank you, blackshoe. I have to wonder about Taoist the Blockhead's spelling.
Derge, I'll see your website and raise you one:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library...
All this birth certificate nonsense is an indirect route to doing what you won't do, but other critics of Obama do openly: Question his patriotism.
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. Hawaii was a state by then. Try reading the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution some time. It states "All persons born in the United States". And the writers meant "all". Not just those we like. Not just those who think like we do. Not just those with the right party credentials and upbringing. All!
Funny, I've never heard liberals claiming John McCain isn't a citizen because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
If you don't like Obama's politics, fine. Don't vote for him. You think he's inexperienced? Don't vote for him. You don't like he's from Chicago? That's an irrational reason, but don't vote for him.
But to question his citizenship, which is a second-hand way of attacking something else, is repulsive.
October 17, 2008
1:44 p.m.
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spencerr writes:
no_more_republicans,
I am not proud to be a registered republican right now either. McCain backs more liberal policies than Bush ever did, and I have no doubt that he will have no problems spending money that the U.S. government does not have.
That being said, a lot of Bush's spending is via the various wars America is inolved in. I won't be an apologist for him though. The only reason he MIGHT get my vote were he to go up for a third term (which I know is not possible) is that he is more conservative than Obama. But is the new republican version of socialism any better or even more palatable than the long-standing democrat version? No.
It will be a long time before republicans can regroup, if ever. The conservative base is split from the party. The real conservatives.
October 17, 2008
1:46 p.m.
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spencerr writes:
And for the record, dems have done plenty to contribute to the trainwreck that is our current economy. It is not all on republicans.
October 17, 2008
1:47 p.m.
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chaka419 writes:
no_more_republicans writes:
"Prior to the Bush Administration, I used to have calm discussions with my con friends over the issues, and we could either come to some sort of understanding or just agree to disagree. Since Bush stole the '00 election - and especially since 9/11 - most of these conservatives would have none of my questioning of their previously undisputed principles"
All recounts including many done by your side show Bush won. Also, Bush's complaint was that ALL Florida counties should be recounted if a recount was ordered, not just one or two Democrate strongholds. But I guess you are getting us back for that perceived slight by doing all you can to steal this election.
Al-Qaeda and the Taliban would still be in power running their terror camps and we would probably have suffered more attacks if Al (I invented the internet and human's are so powerful we control the weather)Gore were elected.
no-more-republicans the problem is in your name. You want a one party system with your party being the one. Your party no longer beleives in diverstity of ideas and liberals no longer know what compromise even means. While you want to move us farther down the Socialist road those you admire in Europe and Canada are moving back to middle and maybe in center right. They already showed us that road is the wrong road. Why must you travel it anyway? I think Bush has made many mistakes but overcorrecting the other way causes deadly accidents!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The most likey reason you can no longer agree to disagree with your Conservative friends is because to be a liberal in good standing you must call them racist, war mongers, stupid and hateful for simply disagreeing. That probably got sick of that.
October 17, 2008
1:59 p.m.
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ILoveChipotle writes:
no_more_republicans writes "Well, the Republicans have pretty much trashed our economy, turned a blind eye to most every issue important to Coloradoans". Last I've checked, the democrats have been running the U.S. & the state House & Senate, and we have a (failed) democrat governor. So when you look at the shape the state & country is in - don't blame the republicans. Put the blame where blame is due.
October 17, 2008
2:13 p.m.
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dilligaf writes:
Rosen there is a good reason that not only Colorado but a lot of traditional red states have been going blue. And that is because the republicans have been given many chances (Bush & a Republican congress for 6 years) and look where we are now. Now Mike before you go trash talking the left you had better do a little research and find out why people are changing to the other side.
October 17, 2008
2:20 p.m.
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gatengreen writes:
I have decided that blaming one party or the other won't get much done, therefore I have decided to roll up the sleeves and work toward making things better for myself and my family.
If you want to wait on Obama or McCain to "FIX" everything I hope you don't get too cold or hungry waiting. My experience tells me that I have the best chance of fixing my own problems.
Work hard, work smart and quit listening to how bad the "SMART ONES" tell you it is.
October 17, 2008
2:47 p.m.
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no_more_republicans writes:
"chaka419 writes:
All recounts including many done by your side show Bush won."
Absolutely not true. But, I'm not going to refight that battle with you - you're clearly ignorant of the facts. A simple Google search will reveal the compelling facts.
"Al-Qaeda and the Taliban would still be in power running their terror camps and we would probably have suffered more attacks if Al (I invented the internet and human's are so powerful we control the weather)Gore were elected."
Wrong. In fact, I guarantee 9/11 wouldn't have happened if Gore would've been in office. Read the 9/11 commission report for crying out loud. Remember the Y2K disaster? And all the terrorist attacks at the millenium? Oh yeah - that's right: THEY DIDN'T HAPPEN.
"no-more-republicans the problem is in your name. You want a one party system with your party being the one. blah blah blah typical Republican "socialist" talking points."
Yawn. This is what I mean - why is that Republicans can't simply address the issues, instead of resorting to "you and your socialist party" BS. I'm an American and I believe in and support democracy. I welcome a conversation about any issue you choose - what you seem to prefer is to shout me down.
"The most likey reason you can no longer agree to disagree with your Conservative friends is because to be a liberal in good standing you must call them racist, war mongers, stupid and hateful for simply disagreeing. That probably got sick of that."
Not remotely true. But, that seems to sum up your approach - the shouting down approach. Yawn - NEXT.
October 17, 2008
2:50 p.m.
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no_more_republicans writes:
"spencerr writes:
And for the record, dems have done plenty to contribute to the trainwreck that is our current economy. It is not all on republicans."
Of course, I agree. I would promptly replace the congressional leadership, if I could. I am a liberal, but, to me, pretty much all of the leadership - Republican and Democratic - are all fascists. That is to say, they prefer to allow corporate America run our policy making.
October 17, 2008
2:54 p.m.
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Derge writes:
peterpi writes: Funny, I've never heard liberals claiming John McCain isn't a citizen because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone."
They have, actually. Yet that is meaningless because he was born on a US military base. The law defines those born on bases as US citizens.
"If you don't like Obama's politics, fine. Don't vote for him. You think he's inexperienced? Don't vote for him. You don't like he's from Chicago? That's an irrational reason, but don't vote for him.
But to question his citizenship, which is a second-hand way of attacking something else, is repulsive."
I agree. Yet Obama's stated history mentioned being born at two different Hawai'ian hospitals. So some some inquiring minds asked for evidence. Obama denied. So a lawsuit is brought to courts for him to provide the documents.
So he provided an image on his website... yet, as I posted at 1015 am today, that image is highly suspect.
State of Hawaii's Department of Health, Director of Communications Janice Okubo, confirms that the image published and circulated by the Obama campaign as his "birth certificate" lacks the necessary embossed seal and signature.
Also Janice Okubo has stated, "that it can only be printed and mailed. There is no such thing as an electronic only certification."
Yet the image had no folded creases.
Care to try again?
October 17, 2008
2:56 p.m.
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no_more_republicans writes:
"ILoveChipotle writes:
Last I've checked, the democrats have been running the U.S. & the state House & Senate, and we have a (failed) democrat governor."
I don't think he's failed, and according to recent polls, neither does more than half of Colorado, so I'd say your bias is showing. In light of the DNC, I'd say he's been far more successful than any of us could of hoped.
Further, on the national level, the Democratic party has been in control since January 2007. I would, however, agree that they Democratic congress has been a disappointment - and, if it were up to me, I would remove the leadership. The biggest problem with the Democratic congress is that they've been too intimidated by President Bush, who is a failure.
But, the last two years have been nowhere near as destructive as the previous six - the disasters that are happening today are a direct result of legislation passed in '03, '04 & '05.
I still like your name, though.
October 17, 2008
3:07 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
nomorerepublicans, it's your opinion and that of a handful of others that 9/11 doesn't happen with Gore in power. It's ludicrous, but you can have that opinion (free speech). I'm sure you were okay with Al Gore's plans for a "New World Order", one in which he'd give some national parks to the U.N. and they wouldn't be owned by the United States. You should watch "America: Freedom or Fascism" to find out exactly what the "New World Order" is. chaka is very correct that Democrats only wanted a recount of certain counties in Florida that leaned Democrat. Just to help refresh that memory of yours...... in 1993 there was an attack on the WTC under Bill Clinton's leadership. Do you think 9/11 was the first terrorist attack by Al Qaeda on U.S. soil? Bill Clinton also knew on several occasions where binLaden was at, before 9/11, yet what happened?
About that documentary I mentioned, it's not corporate America like you think. It's the banks! They run the country, and it goes back to the New World Order. The politicians in DC are failing the country. There may be a few good ones, but both parties are letting us down. They are more like each other out there than they are like us.
October 17, 2008
3:12 p.m.
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windbourne writes:
Over the last nearly 30 years, we have witnessed the greatest rise in our debts. reagan ran up a monster bill, even when he had pub control part of congress. Likewise, W with 6 years of total pub control FAR OUTSPENT dems. Their corruption was absolute. Their lies were horrendous.
Even now, it continues. During the major time of dems of the 50's/60s, the WWII deficit was paid down. Likewise, somewhat Poppa bush and clinton barely balanced the budget. Then W ran it up. Shaffaer is just another neo-con, along the lines of reagan, Delay, Hastert, Abramhoff, Cheney, Libby, Rove, and W.
When I see neo-cons like rosen declaring that Dems are the problem, well, it causes other like me (a libertarian) to vote dem. Pubs are the unprincipled, illogical, immoral party. Time for the GOP to go the way of the whigs.
October 17, 2008
3:34 p.m.
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chaka419 writes:
no_more_republicans I have read the 911 commision reports and they stated that BOTH Clinton and Bush policies contributed to the 911 attacks. It began with Clinton and the problems continued under Bush. Information could not be shared between agencies was the most glaring. I don't think Al could have stopped it. I do think he would not have tried to take Al-qaeda or the Taliban out. He would have left them in power and let them keep training and killing US.
Also, your screen name says it all. You want all republicans gone, right? As far as socialism, why keep clinging to it? The UK, Canada and Germany are backing off because they saw it was not the best thing. The economic crisis we face right now is not due to capitalism but do to the liberals forcing Socialism on the mortgage industry. Michigan is also a perfect example of Socialism gone wrong. Business's are not going to that state because of that. California is headed that way, and, with Ritter I fear Colorado also.
October 17, 2008
3:55 p.m.
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PaleoConservative writes:
no_more_republicans writes:
"In fact, I guarantee 9/11 wouldn't have happened if Gore would've been in office."
The 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, the bombing of Khobar Towers, the bombing of two of our embassies in Africa, and the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole took place while Algore was veep. Your guarantee means squat.
October 17, 2008
4:32 p.m.
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taoistblockhead writes:
Polite company...?
Bush, Caplis, Cheney, Norquist, Rosen, Rove, Rumsfeld, Schaffer, Scheister, Shyster, Wolfowitz, etc... All interchangeable words and parts with the codeword being Neocon(victs).
Republican Party = Axis of Weasels.
Obama and Udall will both win in landslides on November 4th, with good reasons. Americans are sick of hypocritical faux conservatives.
October 17, 2008
8:48 p.m.
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peterpi writes:
I think the birth certificate issue is hilarious. Are some, not all, some conservatives so desperate to make Obama go away that they'd swallow anything said about him? You'd have better luck looking for spent shell casings on Dallas' grassy knoll than showing Barack Obama isn't a natural-born citizen.
I know I can't persuade the true believers, but for anyone else,
For an exhaustive look at the Obama campaign's website image of the birth certificate, go to:
http://xenon.arcticus.com/barack-obam...
For another take, go to:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-20...
Wait! Don't tell me, the Honolulu Advertiser birth announcements are fake also, right?
October 17, 2008
8:56 p.m.
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conservative111 writes:
Polite company?
Carter, Clinton, Silverman, Gore, Krugman, Plouffe, Salazar, Degette, Udall, Obama, etc. All interchangable words for and parts with the codeword being SOCIALIST/MARXISTS.
Democrat Party = Axis of Idiots
Obama may win Nov 4th, but it will be on the backs of the taxpayer who works for his money which will then be given to the NON-TAXPAYER who will get a check every month. What Obama said "spreading the wealth around".
October 17, 2008
9:28 p.m.
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bluejacket writes:
Republicans: bad ideas. Democrats: no ideas. Bush's economic policy: financial train wreck. Liberal Democrat's economic policy on display in California: Like Bush's eco policy on steroids.
I need a third choice.
October 17, 2008
10:28 p.m.
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taoistblockhead writes:
As Caplis is so fond of saying, “Go Johnny Go…!” Republican-Marxism-Leninism… LOL…!
Comrade Bush is a Marxist… The Republican Manifesto… Hugo Chavez more popular than Bush…!
What happened to Grover Norquist wanting to “drown government in the bathtub”…?
http://johnseilerblogs.com/
Marxism-Leninism-Bushism
Now Bush has become the biggest socialist in American history. Venezuelan boss Hugo Chavez taunted Bush, as reported by Reuters:
Socialist Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez mocked George W. Bush as a “comrade” on Wednesday, saying the U.S. president was a hard-line leftist for his government’s intervention of major private banks in the U.S. financial crisis.
Chavez, who calls capitalism an evil and ex-Cuban leader Fidel Castro his mentor, ridiculed Bush for his plan for the federal government to take equity in American banks despite the U.S. right-wing’s criticism of Venezuelan nationalizations.
“Bush is to the left of me now,” Chavez told an audience of international intellectuals debating the benefits of socialism. “Comrade Bush announced he will buy shares in private banks.”
Indeed, it’s true that Comrade Bush is not only a socialist, but a communist, hence my headline for the new ideology: Marxism-Leninism-Bushism.
In his “Communist Manifesto,” Marx wrote up a 10-point plank of communist action, the most important of which was:
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
That’s what Comrade Bush just did with his $700,000,000,000.00 bailout of Wall Street, so he’s a Marxist.
And here’s Lenin, from “The Proletariat and the Party on the Road to October,” meaning the Bolshevik revolution in October 1917 (from “Selected Works” [New York: International Publishers, 1960, Vol. VI, p. 142]; emphasis in original):
We did not propose nor could anybody have proposed, anything but the immediate establishment of control over the trusts, the banks, trade, the parasites, and over foodstuffs.
So, Comrade Bush is a Leninist, too.
Hence, Marxism-Leninism-Bushism.
Curiously, Comrade Bush’s communist revolution took place in the same month as Lenin’s: October.
October 18, 2008
3:20 a.m.
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Derge writes:
peterpi: Do you ever read the links for the sources people provide? Or do you immediately just "Google" to cherry pick your sources.
I'll repeat myself:
Derge writes: Dubunked? Obama's request to dimiss the case has not been granted by the presiding judge. Then he filed an order to delay revealing any evidence of his birth certificate.
In fact, the imaged from Obama's FightTheSmears website, which he claimed as 'proof'.... well...
State of Hawaii's Department of Health, Director of Communications Janice Okubo, confirms that the image published and circulated by the Obama campaign as his "birth certificate" lacks the necessary embossed seal and signature.
Also Janice Okubo has stated, "that it can only be printed and mailed. There is no such thing as an electronic only certification."
Yet the image had no folded creases.
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What's that? You don't think and research?
http://news.justia.com/cases/featured...
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles...
http://www.fightthesmears.com/article...
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii...
OHH, that's right... you're a liberal. You don't think nor research.
October 18, 2008
10:45 a.m.
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BigSky182 writes:
The recurring question is this: If Barack Hussein Obama IS a natural born US Citizen (which is required in order to be President) then WHY does he refuse to release his background information and produce his actual birth certificate (instead of just a picture of it) for a judge?
Interview with the man who filed the suit:
http://www.americanpatrol.com/MISCNEW...
October 18, 2008
4:21 p.m.
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peterpi writes:
What other major presidential candidate has ever been asked to produce a birth certificate? What other major presidential candidate has never been accepted on faith alone that he was a US citizen?
Isn't it awfully coincidental that Barack Obama's skin cells have more melanin than the past ten presidents combined?
October 19, 2008
7:39 a.m.
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JeffWK writes:
Interesting video BigSky. What I'm wondering is why Berg suspects someplace other than Hawaii for Obama's birthplace. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's racist. OMG, we have a half black candidate for president that shares a middle name with an ex-Iraqi leader and his last name is similar to the first name of America's most wanted. HOLY CRAP...my name is the same as a serial killer's from the 80s. I must not be fit for anything either.
October 19, 2008
10:28 a.m.
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BigSky182 writes:
Um... John McCain?
When his citizenship was questioned, he immediately released his medical records, military records, health records, and provided his birth certificate.
Like any other natural born American Citizen, he was able to prove his status conclusively in about 4 minutes.
Why can't (or won't) Obama?
October 19, 2008
5:58 p.m.
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peterpi writes:
He has. Get over it.
Over and out.
October 19, 2008
6:50 p.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Can Rosen give any other example of Schaffer's principles, indeed, a legislative accomplishment besides the fact he kept his term limit pledge? That's all I ever hear in his favor, and even Republicans said it was a stupid pledge to make because it can take a long time to get established in the House and get things done.
Also, how many "mainstream Conservatives" go around tearing down birth control displays?
What a whack job.
October 19, 2008
9:05 p.m.
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BigSky182 writes:
No Peterpi, he has not. The Judge asked for the document and Obama asked for an extension while his Lawyers file a motion to dismiss.
If he is natural born then why file for dismissal rather than just handing over the document?
Set the Politics aside for a second and just think about THAT question. Why let the controversy drag out when all he has to do to end it is hand over the document?
October 19, 2008
9:33 p.m.
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peterpi writes:
Suppose Obama did so, and the judge declared it genuine. Then the Obama haters would claim the judge was in on the con. Nothing Obama does will persuade the Obama haters.
October 20, 2008
11:25 a.m.
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jay writes:
rosen colored glasses calls big oil bob "a mainstream conservative Republican".
that is an interesting opinion...one which...if examined a little more closely could give us some insight as to where rosen lies on the extreme end of the political spectrum.
i invite everyone reading to do some google research on bobby's background...and determine for yourselves if rosen is correct that his views are "mainstream".
by the way kids...you have two weeks left...are you really going to go with the debunked socialism boogeyman stories and the debunked myths about obama's birth certificate?
just a thought...but you may consider actually supporting the conservative position that continuing the policies that have made the messes were in is the best way to solve the messes we're in.
October 23, 2008
5:01 p.m.
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TroyJGrice writes:
Rosen is, ironically, the farthest thing from "principaled". He puts "party over person" and that means he will support the GOP candidate regardless of their principles.
This is why the republicans will get pounded in this cycle: They are unprincipled frauds and people aren't buying their lies anymore.
There are too many phony-conservatives who do not believe in the GOP's core principles of free markets, non-interventionism, low taxes, and limited government. How many GOP phonies rolled over for the Wall Street bailout and subsequent Sovietization of our economy?
Here's to hoping the 'persons' in Rosen's phony 'party' get routed in November.
October 23, 2008
6:35 p.m.
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tbizzy writes:
Colorado Senate candidates Bob Schaffer (R) and Mark Udall (D) debated. They are seeking to replace Republican Wayne Allard.
In this exchange, Schaffer reads a Congressional resolution on Iraq to the audience and then asks who supports it. The Schaffer supporters raise their hands while Udall's supporters don't. Schaffer then reveals that resolution is Udall's resolution from before the war.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vide...
Typical liberal hypocrites