Report: Voter purges in Colorado, 5 other states may violate law
Associated Press
Published October 8, 2008 at 9:49 p.m.
Updated October 9, 2008 at 12:59 p.m.
NEW YORK — Tens of thousands of eligible voters have been removed from rolls or blocked from registering in at least six swing states, including Colorado, and the voters' exclusion appears to violate federal law, according to a published report.
The New York Times based its findings on reviews of state records and Social Security data.
The Times said voters appear to have been purged by mistake and not because of any intentional violations by election officials or coordinated efforts by any party.
States have been trying to follow the Help America Vote Act of 2002 by removing the names of voters who should no longer be listed. But for every voter added to the rolls in the past two months in some states, election officials have removed two, a review of the records shows.
The newspaper said it identified apparent problems in Colorado, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada and North Carolina. It says some states are improperly using Social Security data to verify new voters' registration applications, and others may have broken rules that govern removing voters from the rolls within 90 days of a federal election.
Democrats have been more aggressive at registering new voters this year, according to state election officials, so any closer screening of new applications may affect their party's supporters disproportionately, The Times said.
The result is that on Election Day, voters who have been removed from the rolls could show up and be challenged by political party officials or election workers.
The six states seem to have violated federal law in two ways. Some are removing voters from the rolls within 90 days of a federal election, which is not allowed except when voters die, notify the authorities that they have moved out of state or have been declared unfit to vote.
And some of the states are improperly using Social Security data to verify registration applications for new voters, the newspaper reported.
"Just as voting machines were the major issue that came out of the 2000 presidential election and provisional ballots were the big issue from 2004, voter registration and these statewide lists will be the top concern this year," said Daniel P. Tokaji, a law professor at Ohio State University.
Colorado Common Cause expressed "concern" about the report and called for an investigation to see if any voters were wrongfully removed from the state's rolls. In a statement the group also called for a re-evaluation of Colorado's voting policy, saying the practice of declaring voters "inactive" after missing only one election is more stringent than many other states.
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October 8, 2008
10:09 p.m.
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Yesterday, the Nevada Sec of State's office raided ACORN's Las Vegas headquarters looking for evidence of voter fraud.
"Some of them used nonexistent names, some of them used false addresses and some of them were duplicates of previously filed applications," Walsh said, describing the complaints, which largely came from the registrar in Clark County, Nev.
*snip*
"But it's not the first time ACORN's been under investigation for registration irregularities. The raid is the latest of at least nine investigations into possible fraudulent voter registration forms submitted by ACORN -- the probes have involved ACORN workers in Wisconsin, New Mexico, Indiana and other states."
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In 2006, ACORN also committed what Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed called the "worse case of election fraud" in the state's history.
In the case, ACORN submitted just over 1,800 new voter registration forms, and all but six of the 1,800 names were fake.
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'More recently, 27,000 registrations handled by the group from January to July 2008 "went into limbo because they were incomplete, inaccurate, or fraudulent," said James Terry, chief public advocate at the Consumers Rights League.'
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/...
October 8, 2008
10:28 p.m.
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Stan_Weekes writes:
Washington State
Robert Edelman v. Secretary of State Sam Reed
Secretary of State Reed has allowed 16 and 17-year-olds voters to register to vote, violating the state constitution and federal laws that require him to ensure the state voter roll contains only legal voters.
Summary
EFF researcher Robert Edelman found more than 16,000 registrations by people who would not have been 18 by the next election, as the Washington Constitution requires for eligibility to vote. The registrations occurred between January 2000 and March 2008.
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According to emails from staff and database records, the Secretary of State knows that county auditors accept registration applications from underage voters, and he knows that there are underage voters on the voter roll.
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In addition, Secretary Reed has condoned the unlawful practice of auditors accepting voter registration forms from underage applicants, some as young as 16, and holding them in a drawer for months until the voter is 18.
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What’s at stake?
* The accuracy of the state voter database, which will be used by the county auditors to mail ballots for the general election. Every voter in that database will be mailed a ballot or will be able to easily obtain one.
* The integrity of Washington elections. Nearly 2000 illegal votes were cast in the 2004 gubernatorial race, and most were due to felon, deceased, duplicate and other ineligible voters who were still on the voter registration rolls.
* Whether the Secretary of State has a duty to actually prevent known ineligible voters from registering to vote, or if his only duty is to identify them once they have been added to the voting roll and hope the county auditors will remove them.
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http://www.effwa.org/main/page.php?nu...
October 8, 2008
10:38 p.m.
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FCZ writes:
Obama cut his community organizer teeth with ACORN. As a young lawyer he represented the group in a suit against the state of Illinois, which was concerned that postcard registration and a new motor voter law might invite fraud. ACORN later invited Obama to train its staff in leadership seminars.
A major part of ACORN's sordid history is vote fraud. ACORN has been implicated in voter fraud and bogus registration schemes in Missouri, Ohio and at least 12 other states.
Last July, ACORN settled the largest case of voter fraud in Washington state history, involving nearly 2,000 bogus voter forms.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArtic...
October 8, 2008
11:05 p.m.
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INC writes:
If a Person turns the age of 18 By November fourth they are eligible to vote. so if someones age is 16 and they register for a presidential election two years in advance. Even if that persons 18th Birthday is Election Day, November 4. No law has been broken.
Purging them (because they are underage at the time of registration) is an under handed way of denying someone their right to vote. The citizens FIRST Vote of their lives.
Usually by the time of court. The election has past and that persons vote never counted. The Action of republicans by then, had served its purpose.
October 8, 2008
11:53 p.m.
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eddyjam writes:
The Associated Press summarized The New York Times article, but left out parts relevant to Colorado. Here are those omissions:
In three states — Colorado, Louisiana and Michigan — the number of people purged from the election rolls since Aug. 1 far exceeds the number who may have died or relocated during that period.
States may be improperly removing voters who have moved within the state, election experts said, or who are considered inactive because they have failed to vote in two consecutive federal elections. For example, major voter registration drives have been held this year in Colorado, which has also had a significant population increase since the last presidential election, but the state has recorded a net loss of nearly 100,000 voters from its rolls since 2004.
In Colorado, some 37,000 people were removed from the rolls in the three weeks after July 21. During that time, about 5,100 people moved out of the state and about 2,400 died, according to postal data and death records.
The secretaries of state in Michigan and Colorado failed to respond to requests for comment.
It's a sad comment that The New York Times discovers the Colorado voter purges, not the Rocky Mountain News. It's also interesting that Secretary of State Mike Coffman failed to respond. Since Mike Coffman is both the Secretary of State and a candidate for the United States House of Representatives in the 6th District and as such would be certifying the results of that election, it's time for him to resign as Secretary of State and explain the voter purges to Colorado voters. We don't want another Kathleen Harris and Florida 2000.
October 8, 2008
11:59 p.m.
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JayRoy writes:
This article's confusing. What is the writer trying to say, for example, by the phrase "improperly using social security data for verifying registration applications"?
I certainly hope the illegal applicants and those who are recruiting them are reined in and prosecuted.
October 9, 2008
4:38 a.m.
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Sue3275 writes:
ILLEGALS have definitely been caught voting in our elections in Texas and California. In California, they are "encouraged" to vote!!
Obama's campaign and Reid/Piglosi are DEFINITELY behind the efforts to make sure that ACORN is able to commit this voter fraud.
Obama was the attorney for ACORN.
This is why Piglosi, Reid, Obama and the Dems wanted to try to include money for ACORN in the bail out Bill. And, they would have got away with it if it was not for Tom Tancredo, and many other Republicans!!!
October 9, 2008
5:14 a.m.
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gary writes:
Well. if you are illegal and have fake papers...get a drivers licencse. You can register and vote. Denver Dems send out people looking for them to register them for that purpose.
Social Security cards....they don't need no stinking cards...!!
October 9, 2008
6:58 a.m.
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tiero writes:
Hey RickyLee,
Anderson needs to stick his head out where the sun shines and get in touch with reality
October 9, 2008
6:59 a.m.
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0tosan writes:
By purging the voter rolls, the Secretary of State of Colorado is committing voter fraud on a scale that dwarfs any possible effort to register people illegally. It is obscene. Who cares how people are registered? No database that large will ever be perfect. What is most important, it seems to me, is that the most people be allowed to vote with the minimum of hassle.
When people commit registration fraud, it's usually because they're paid by the name and they submit fake names. If the Dallas Cowboys defensive backfield is registered to vote in Colorado, it doesn't mean they are going to vote here. What the Secretary of State has done will affect actual people's right to vote. I am outraged at this.
October 9, 2008
6:59 a.m.
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Denver7 writes:
Interesting, one side is complaining about people knowingly violating the law by registering people that have no right to vote. The other side is complaining about the people that oversee the election trying to clean it up. There has to be a better way. I think they should use fingerprint technology to control the voting. That way if someone votes twice they will know who it is and can prosecute them. I don't know what the penalty is for this kind of crime but I hope it's painful.
October 9, 2008
7:01 a.m.
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Stan_Weekes writes:
Recently Registered Voters May Experience Problems
TALLAHASSEE (CBS4) ― More than 3,000 new voters in South Florida could see their votes tucked by the wayside if officials can't confirm their identities.
Around 3,200 new voters are being targeted by Florida's new, controversial "no-match" law. The law was designed to prevent potential election fraud and remove joke names, such as "Joe Blow" from the voter rolls. Local elections officials are required to mail letters to anybody whose registration information doesn't match the state's driver's license or Social Security databases.
People who do not have matching information will be forced to cast provisional ballots in the upcoming election. Provisional ballots are not counted unless the number of provisional ballots is equal to or greater than the difference in final votes.
Only people who registered to vote after September 8 are affected. Since then, at least 71,000 new Florida voters have registered, says the state's elections division.
*snip* Sep 27, 2008
http://cbs4.com/campaign08/vote.campa...
October 9, 2008
7:13 a.m.
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Denver7 writes:
The win at all cost attitude shows very poor values and ethics. Everyone says vote the policies. Except us, we'll pad the numbers to make sure we win. Oh, and then they say; "if you're not going to vote based on the policies (against us), please do America a favor and stay home." But if you are voting our way, vote early and vote often. Then they say if you don't vote base on the policies (our way), I have no respect for you. Well, how can you respect someone that supports breaking the law to give their side the edge. Everyone should have a problem with voter fraud.
October 9, 2008
7:17 a.m.
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Billy writes:
McBush is pulling out all the stops now. Looks like the repubs feelin the heat.
October 9, 2008
7:24 a.m.
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Stan_Weekes writes:
Actually in Colorado, there is no requirement to even prove Citizenship. Efforts have been repeatedly made to require proof of Citizenship to register, but all one needs to do is affirm, under penalty of perjury.
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clic...
"WARNING: It is a crime to swear or affirm falsely as to your qualifications to register to vote.
Self-Affirmation: I do solemnly affirm that I am a citizen of the United States and that on the date of the next election I shall have attained the age of eighteen years and shall have
resided in the state of Colorado at least 30 days and in my present precinct at least 30 days before the election. I further affirm that the present address I listed herein is my sole legal
place of residence and that I claim no other place as my legal residence."
"Under Colorado law, your Mail-In Ballot Application must contain your printed name, signature, residence address, mailing address if you wish to receive the ballot by mail, and date of birth."
http://www.bouldercounty.org/clerk/el...
October 9, 2008
7:29 a.m.
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fiesty writes:
Totally messed up. On one hand, we have lax or non-existent citizenship verification procedures, and on the other hand, are removing those voters who may indeed be valid. Talk about extremes! Obviously indicates that we need a better, universal system.
October 9, 2008
7:36 a.m.
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Seamus writes:
I am in total agreement with eddyjam. Coffman should step down.
October 9, 2008
8:27 a.m.
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davies writes:
Story: "Democrats have been more aggressive at registering new voters this year, according to state election officials, so any closer screening of new applications may affect their party's supporters disproportionately, the Times said."
Sheesh. That's like saying: "More Republican CEOs are being convicted of fraud than Democratic CEOs, so these convictions may affect the Republican party's supporters disproportionately."
So what? Either the "supporter" is an eligible voter, or is not an eligible voter!
October 9, 2008
8:40 a.m.
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toocool writes:
Professor Tokaj best turn his civil liberty efforts examining the 600,000 "NEW" registered voters in Ohio, a state that actually "LOST" population. Maybe ACORN can help him study in more detail Colorado's so-called voter inconsistencies. Next we will have the Denver Bronco's voting in Ohio, of course, that wouldn't concern our concerned professor...
October 9, 2008
9:02 a.m.
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hillbillygoth writes:
what? the third stolen election in a row? really?
October 9, 2008
9:09 a.m.
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dorfs writes:
110% voter registration in Indianapolis, That isn't voter fraud. This is what happens when you register illegal aliens, not hispanics. How do you link the two? Give me a break.
October 9, 2008
9:17 a.m.
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BroncoDan writes:
Seems to me that, anyone who thinks Sarah Palin is a qualified candidate for Vice President of the United States of America, should be declared unfit to vote!!!
October 9, 2008
9:22 a.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
This is yet another tactic in McSame's supporters' strategy to steal the election.
The next Republican tactic will be to coerce the US Justice department to intimidate Democratic leaning voters and voter registrars with groundless threats of criminal prosecution. Karl Rove attempted to do that for Bush. Thankfully for us, at that time the Justice Department US Attorneys maintained their nonpartisan independence and refused to prosecute those groundless lawsuits; but, as we know, those upstanding US Attorneys were promptly FIRED.
There is no tactic too low for the McSame campaign to stoop.
October 9, 2008
9:28 a.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
"Who cares how people are registered?"
This is the deranged thinking that says "Who cares if citizens of other countries determine our elected officials? Who cares if people who should never be allowed to vote in American elections are dtermining the outcome? Who cares if Osama bin Laden is voting in American elections? "
Only nutcases would not care about who is registering, voting, and thus determining who controls the government of the United States.
"What is most important, it seems to me, is that the most people be allowed to vote with the minimum of hassle. "
Sure... let anyone and everyone around the world do the voting for us. Of course, that assumes you want members of Hamas, the Russian mob, and other anti-American sleazeballs cooking up schemes to ensure THEY choose who will be elected in the US.
" If the Dallas Cowboys defensive backfield is registered to vote in Colorado, it doesn't mean they are going to vote here. "
So why are they registered? And if they are registered, since morons complaining about voter identification want to allow "anyone" to vote, it ENABLES voter fraud..... false name registered to vote, no ID required, and the result is people driving around from polling place to polling place casting hundreds and hundreds of votes. A few dozen people doing that, and you get a FALSE outcome.... one based on complete FRAUD. Only morons would support such acts..... or those who know their only way to get their ACORN supported criminals elected is through FRAUD.
"What the Secretary of State has done will affect actual people's right to vote. I am outraged at this."
Yeah... outraged that your crooks can't corrupt the election system.
October 9, 2008
9:28 a.m.
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StarsNStripes writes:
Bronco: I seems to me that your a moran.
or is it DenverDan??
Obama has no experience at all..
I just got back from the Post office. My mail in Ballot is already on its way. I didn't know there were 16 candidates for President?..They were all Independents or Sociallist just like Obama.
McCain / Palin 08
October 9, 2008
9:28 a.m.
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Scott writes:
It is intuitively obvious to the most casual of observers that the libs here, e.g. BroncoDan and PonchoVia, are illiterate.
The third paragraph of the article states. "The Times said voters appear to have been purged by mistake and not because of any intentional violations by election officials or coordinated efforts by any party."
I guess this is too hard of a concept for the libs here, e.g. Big_D and INC, to comprehend.
Scott
October 9, 2008
9:31 a.m.
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StarsNStripes writes:
Nice try PonchoVia: Very typical liberal post: Can you read??
"The Times said voters appear to have been purged by mistake and not because of any intentional violations by election officials or coordinated efforts by any party"
October 9, 2008
9:32 a.m.
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davies writes:
It is NOT bigoted, racist or anti-Hispanic to expect and demand that only United States citizens be given the opportunity to vote in the United States. To suggest otherwise simply shows a willingness to violate the law, a lack of common sense and a lack of any sense of fairness, simply to get one's preferred candidate elected.
October 9, 2008
9:33 a.m.
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Diff writes:
Looks like maybe we need someone like Jimmy Carter to be an election observer in THIS country - so those in power do not try and taint the election process.
Sad!
October 9, 2008
9:51 a.m.
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dorfs writes:
StarsNStripes writes:
Nice try PonchoVia: Very typical liberal post: Can you read??
Can't even spell Pancho villa.
October 9, 2008
9:52 a.m.
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JMH writes:
Looks like the GOP is trying to stop people from voting again! No suprises here! But we shouldn't stand for it. Coffman has proven himself to be a partisan hack and should step down.
This happend in Florida in 2000 & Ohio in 2004. Now that Colorado may be the THE STATE in this election, the GOP are up to thier usual tricks!
Anyone want to bet that the majority of people being thrown off voter rolls are minorities and registered Democrats?
Do like I do... register as a independant. Then they are less likely to go after your vote!
October 9, 2008
9:55 a.m.
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Scott writes:
Uh JMH, try reading the third paragraph of the article. My 9:28 AM posting and StarsNStripes 9:31 AM postings point out that just like Big_D, BroncoDan, PonchoVia, etc. you also cannot read.
Scott
October 9, 2008
10:16 a.m.
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dorfs writes:
MarineGrunt writes:
"dorfs writes:
StarsNStripes writes:
Nice try PonchoVia: Very typical liberal post: Can you read??
Can't even spell Pancho villa"
Why would he even care how to spell Pancho?
Viva ICE!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_V...
It is a moot point anyway, Obama isn't even qualified to become POTUS. If this wasn't true, why dosn't he just produce the documents and save his money on attorney fees?
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/...
October 9, 2008
10:24 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
This is "according to a published report" by the New York Times? How serious are we supposed to take it when it's a "report" from the very left leaning Times? I don't think there's a problem purging voter rolls when those people registered and purged didn't exist in the first place, or if they're not eligible to vote as it is. Wouldn't it be against federal law for someone to vote if they're not eligible to by law but still have the ability to do so?
October 9, 2008
10:31 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
I love to read about the girls on the right starting to get mad. Gosh Darn, there they go Joe trying to spread lies again. (wink)
We will not let the “Swift Boat” crap roll this year. Get used to it.
October 9, 2008
10:41 a.m.
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jaybyrd writes:
Obviously, something is up. I have received mail from my county and from candidates addressed to voters who, I assure you, have never lived at this address. But the NYT, as usual, fails to disclose which specific laws were violated, and fails to name even one person who was purged who should not have been purged. Another hysteria-mongering article from NYT.
October 9, 2008
10:43 a.m.
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StarsNStripes writes:
denverdan: We will not let the “Swift Boat” crap roll this year. Get used to it.
Did BroncoDan roll over and let you type?
October 9, 2008
10:50 a.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
Yes guys, I can read. The article says "[t]he Times said voters APPEAR..." (emphasis added). To that I would ask, appear to whom?
dorfs, this may be difficult for you to understand, but I made up my online name, just as it appears you did. I realize you have a hard time thinking outside the box, but give it shot sometime.
Here's an interview of one of the fired US Attorneys that everyone should listen to before simply writing these purges off as something other than Republican tactics to steal the presidency:
http://search.everyzing.com/viewMedia...
October 9, 2008
10:55 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
StarsNStripers
You are starting to come around. I like it. Dont get mad at me I did not vote for Bush "Twice" like you. And I will not vote for him a third time. GO BRONCOS, GO OBAMA. StarsNStripes, steel and Scott just GO HOME...
October 9, 2008
10:57 a.m.
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StarsNStripes writes:
PonchoVia / ArtStars : only you would add emphasis on APPEAR? "To that I would ask, appear to whom?"
Appear to any normal person...except the liberals
October 9, 2008
11:01 a.m.
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StarsNStripes writes:
DenverDan writes:
StarsNStripes, steel and Scott just GO HOME...
We can't, we have jobs unlike you....That's why you want NOBAMA for your president.... You need him to take care of you.
October 9, 2008
11:08 a.m.
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NeilT writes:
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/200...
In Colorado, 72% of the voters purged are Democrats/Other, with only 28% being Republican.
The majority of those purged voted in the 2004 and 2006 elections. These folks were not party to any current voter registration push. They are legal voters and have been for at least 2-4 years!
October 9, 2008
11:11 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
StarsNStripers
Where do you work and get to play on the PC all day?
Roll over and ask scott if he feels the same way?
Obama 08 Biiitccch
October 9, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
StarsNStripes, are we not allowed to question why things like this might have happened? If you listen to the interview of US Attorney David Iglesias (link here: http://search.everyzing.com/viewMedia...) you may change your perspective. Iglesias and other US attorneys were pressured by the Bush admin to prosecute groundless voter fraud allegations. When they refused to prosecute because of insufficient evidence, they were fired.
There is sufficient merit in Iglesias's and other US Attorneys' claims that a special investigation has been established. See, e.g., http://washingtonindependent.com/9625...
So, I think we're allowed to question things like this...
October 9, 2008
11:16 a.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
NeilT..... better check up on your knowledge of voter registration laws.
Just because a person voted in 2004 or 2006 does NOT make them a legal voter in 2008.
October 9, 2008
11:25 a.m.
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seeker writes:
Here's the entire NYT article.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27093919/
October 9, 2008
11:31 a.m.
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davies writes:
DenverDan, I do find it a little ironic that a guy who lives in Colorado Springs and goes by the name of Denver Dan would tell someone else to go home. Does this mean you want the illegal aliens to go home too, or do you think that in their case "Home is where the heart (of my income) is"?
October 9, 2008
11:35 a.m.
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NeilT writes:
I understand that Rickg. This thread started railing against potential, current voter registration fraud. Most of these folks were not part of an "ACORN" push. Thats all, Rick.
You think these numbers are legit? Colorado has more Republicans than any other party, yet only 28% purged are Republican.
Does that add up to you?
October 9, 2008
11:57 a.m.
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Denver7 writes:
BroncoDan - you said:
Seems to me that, anyone who thinks Sarah Palin is a qualified candidate for Vice President of the United States of America, should be declared unfit to vote!!!
6 months ago most of the democratic candidates running for president said that Obama wasn't qualified to be president. What's changed that he's qualified all of a sudden? Or following your rules, everyone that thinks he is should be declared unfit to vote.
October 9, 2008
noon
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TruthHurts writes:
StarsnStripes,
I noticed earlier that you "read" and understood the New York Times article to say there is no connection between this issue and any party. I read and understood it the same way.
Now can you help your Republican buddies "read" and understand the article earlier this week that said the question of Bill Ayers is valid but the evidence shows there is NO real connection between Ayers and Obama?
October 9, 2008
12:01 p.m.
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davies writes:
NeilT writes: "You think these numbers are legit? Colorado has more Republicans than any other party, yet only 28% purged are Republican. Does that add up to you?"
NeilT, it says right in the article: "Democrats have been more aggressive at registering new voters this year, according to state election officials, so any closer screening of new applications may affect their party's supporters disproportionately, the Times said."
Besides which there is also the fact that one can register as 'unaffiliated'. So I guess I don't really see a conspiracy here by the government of the State of Colorado (as currently dominated by the Democratic Party) to purge eligible Democrats from the registrations.
October 9, 2008
12:17 p.m.
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dorfs writes:
dorfs, this may be difficult for you to understand, but I made up my online name, just as it appears you did. I realize you have a hard time thinking outside the box, but give it shot sometime.
dorfs is the name on my us birth certificate, something Obama seems to have a hard time producing.
NPR is slanted liberal, and with taxpayers money. I don't see anywhere in the article where it says "purged by republicans by mistake".
Any insite to the 110% voter registration in Indy?
Again the POTUS cannot, be a citizen of Indonesia.
http://news.justia.com/cases/featured...
October 9, 2008
12:18 p.m.
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cassidy22 writes:
If anyone here doens't believe that there has been rampant voting fraud in the past, you are kidding yourselves.
Do you not remember Florida in 2004? I'm not pointing fingers at one side or the other, but I can guarantee you that voting fraud has been happening for decades. If you think we have free and fair elections in the USofA, you are kidding yourself. I bet the powers that be that really run this country already have the election results planned and will execute their strategy to make it happen when necessary.
October 9, 2008
12:40 p.m.
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conniesz writes:
New voters can be people who are just turning 18 in time for the election, people who have moved to Colorado, and people who have never bothered to vote before. This last group is much larger than many of the Republicans think. I know a couple of 80-year-olds who have never bothered to register before this election - but they are registered now and will vote for Obama. I'm sure there are lots of other folks like this - and this is what the Republicans are afraid of. It's pretty easy to keep illegals off of the registration rolls, it is much more difficult to keep legitimate voters off - but they're doing their damnedest.
In any case, I don't think this election can be stolen. The Democrats will win and win big across the board and will have at least two years to prove they can fix things - if they prove they can't, expect the mid-term elections to go to the Republicans. That's the way it works here - we get to choose, and this time 'round it looks like we'll be choosing Democrats.
October 9, 2008
12:48 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Heard that Obama's birth certificate is still being investigated. I don't want to comment without all the facts, but there is speculation his birth certificate is not correct or a fraud. They say he might have been born not in Hawaii, but out of the country. Also heard he's trying to block the FBI from further investigation into the matter. Strong possibility is being suggested as having been born in Canada. Anybody else hear more about this?
October 9, 2008
1:01 p.m.
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Joebob writes:
If all you fascist nutjobs would actually read reliable (e.g. non-Fox News) news sources, you would have realized that the ACORN issue is not a problem with the organization, but rather with a few shady people faking registrations- the issue in Washington state was with 5 (five!) people, hired to get voter registrations, who realized that actually working and convincing 20 people a day to register to vote was hard work and instead decided to fake registrations with library card info... 5 people does not constitute a conspiracy to steal an election by an organization composed of thousands.
Beyond that, in your fantasy world how would the Dems steal an election with, or for that matter gain an advantage from false voter registrations? Hiring people to vote twice or three times? By saving all these fake names and handing them out to voters? Doesn't that seem a little 19th century? Wouldn't it be easier to make sure your brother and his cronies controlled a key swing state so you can steal an election without all the hassle?
October 9, 2008
1:06 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Davies
Does this mean you want the illegal aliens to go home too, or do you think that in their case "Home is where the heart (of my income) is"?
You must have forgotten how your family got here, ask your gramps, he can tell you about his gramps being an immigrant. I hope he did not have to deal with dumb @ss bigots like you back then. I would not bet on it. You narrow minded people are every where.
October 9, 2008
1:28 p.m.
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jbowen43 writes:
Same old republican strategy to win elections. It worked for them in Florida and Ohio. The real voter fraud in the USA is committed by Republican Secretary's of State and Republican County Clerks. Mike Coffman has proven time and again he is nothing more than a Republican party flack. Way to go Mike. You were a good treasurer. Should have stayed there.
In any case, isn't it time the media start giving equal time to Palin's buddy list of anti-American bombers and other radical associates?
October 9, 2008
1:44 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
With Mc Cain there are excepyions for military personal giving birth in other countries, that's legal. However I want clarity that Obama was born in Kenya or wherever to be proven or disproven. His mother was not in the military and some are alleging his birth certificate is a live birth forgery. I just would like to seperate what is fact and what is fiction. In McCains case the law naturalizes birth of US military personal based on foreign soil, that's legal. In Obama's case, his mom not in the military married to a citizen of Kenya, giving birth in Kenya is not a naturalized citizen, paperwork must be filed granting citizenship which is different than naturalized born on US soil. I am only asking, stating whats being said, and a judges orders for Obama to produce his documents for examination. Anybody know more about these allegations being alledged? McCain I fully understand his naturalization as a baby born to a military family in Panama, our laws confers that exception in the naturalization laws; but if the allegations are true, Obama is a citizen perhaps, but not a naturalized one. If born in Kenya, his mother would have had to apply for the child. My understanding is they want to authenticate the exact location of his non- military exempted birth on foreign soil. Why won't he just produce the documents for examination by the court? Somebody help LOUIE, he's feeling real dumb right now for asking these questions. I like the man, and this would call my ability to vote for him into question knowing he might have to step down as president if these allegations were to prove correct that he was physically born in Kenya to non-military parents one being a citizen of Kenya. That's not a naturalized citizen. I scan the internet with this and it's too much for me to figure out, why doesn't he show he was truly born in Hawaii as he says he is to the court by furnishing the documentation, instead of fighting it? Anybody? Thanks!:>)
October 9, 2008
1:46 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
DenverDan, I'm a huge Broncos fan saying no to Obama. I can't vote for someone as President that's lacking in so many areas. Those who worry more about the lack of experience in Palin as opposed to a lack of experience in Obama are shortsighted and think one dimensionally. They both don't have much to go on, but I'm more concerned about it from a Presidential candidate than I am a VP candidate.
It's too bad the haters want to blame Republicans for this. Must be the one dimensional thinking again. For those uninformed people, voter fraud is found in both parties. Democrats have been known to get voters in who aren't eligible...... they enable voter fraud themselves. Try looking at the big picture!
One more thing, for ponchovia...... about the fired U.S. Attorney Generals. Just so you have perspective on facts and history, the President can fire the U.S. Attorney General's without cause. They can be fired for no reason whether anyone likes it or not. That's the President's option, just like it was when Clinton and other Presidents before him fired U.S. AG's.
October 9, 2008
1:51 p.m.
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Badgerjohn writes:
Mail-in Ballots. That avoids the pencil-necks who challenge you with a clipboard at the polls.
37,000 Coloradans. That's our neighbors, people we work with, who are literally being silenced. I don't care if a voter thinks Palin should be Queen of Earth, they have a right - not permission - to say so.
October 9, 2008
2:09 p.m.
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seeker writes:
Louie
Here is one of the most detailed investigations into the Obama birth certificate questions.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-20...
There are others out there that show the same results but most refer to this as the most intense and the most trusted.
October 9, 2008
2:35 p.m.
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seeker writes:
cwillyrun1
PonchoVia is talking about US Attorneys…..NOT US Attorney Generals. Please try to focus on the subject when he is addressing an issue.
It is common for newly elected presidents to dismiss the US Attorneys of the previous administration. However it is not common to fire your own hires while you are still in office. It is also a violation of trust to the people to politicize the Department of Justice. That is one Branch that above all others should be free of partisan politics. It should truly represent and preserve the legal rights of the people and work on their behalf.
When a graduate of Billy Bob University of Dumb Hole, AR who has a polisci program that just graduated it's first class of lawyers most of which took 3 tries at passing the bar, is in charge of hiring what should be the best and the brightest brings religion and politics into the hiring process, something has gone terribly wrong with the Justice Branch.
It helps when those in the administration serving the President and sworn to uphold and protect the Constitution have actually read it. Call me an elitist snob but that's how I roll.
October 9, 2008
2:48 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Thanks Seeker, it came up in debate today between my brother and me, I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I like Obama, I don't yet say I'd vote for him. It just shocked me to hear his citizenship questioned, I also misused the term naturalization. Thanks a lot for the website, I feel foolish asking, but I said it wasn't right, my brother said the FBI is investigating this. I owe you one, thanx. Market has been nuts today.
October 9, 2008
3:04 p.m.
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seeker writes:
Louie, it's always good to try to find the truth. Thus I am "seeker". Always on the quest for knowledge. Still have a long way to go.
The market has been insane. I'm worried about the retirement accounts and people's life savings. What a terrible blow. To sit and watch it slip away and be helpless to do anything about it. And the market value of homes. My own Mom, 88 years old, was able to sell before the drop but others count the equity as a large part of their nest egg for their old age. Breaks my heart for them.
On a different note, this has been the longest Presidential campaign ever. I'm getting too old for this junk. Let's move on already! Crazy election....crazy world....what more could possibly go wrong? God help us, Louie.
October 9, 2008
3:28 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
Know what I find funny? You have "110%" of registration in some states, yet anderson called me a liar when I said illegal aliens (though not legally allowed) were voting. Funny how he's been on the other thread today (Italian American) but is completely silent here... I don't think all those extra thousands of voters are simply people voting twice or registering their dogs!
October 9, 2008
4:02 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
Okay seeker.......... whichever you prefer. The President at ANY time he chooses can dismiss the "U.S. attorney" for any reason. Did you get that?? Are you focused enough for your brain to process what I just wrote?
October 9, 2008
4:07 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
Imagine that....... a new piece has even the Democrats saying the numbers aren't right from the NY Times article. So all the bashing on Republicans, Coffman and whatever else....... all that crying, is for nothing. See how propoganda can lead the sheep so easily?
October 9, 2008
4:33 p.m.
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jay writes:
fiesty, i hadn't heard that states were experiencing "110% registration".
do you happen to have a link?
October 9, 2008
5:18 p.m.
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dorfs writes:
seeker writes:
Louie
Here is one of the most detailed investigations into the Obama birth certificate questions.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-20...
There are others out there that show the same results but most refer to this as the most intense and the most trusted.
Did you notice Annenberg on the top ot the page?
Click on the link below (the official court docket record), then scroll down and click on item 16. Read page 33 line 71.
Sorry Barry Soetoro, You arn't qualifiet to be POTUS!
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/...
October 9, 2008
5:56 p.m.
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sawzallartist writes:
Well....I'm white and own property....no problem for me...
October 9, 2008
6 p.m.
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seeker writes:
dorfs
The Annenberg’s are a rich, Jewish, Republican family who have come out publicly in support of John McCain for president. They have hundreds of grants, foundations, and charities tied to their name. What is your point? Please explain.
I can walk into my local county court and file any number of ridiculous suits against you personally and all I have to do is pay the filing fee, fill out the form with you name on it and list my reasons.
One of my employees lived over 100 miles from work. He lived with his parents during the week and went home to his wife and 3 boys on the weekend. One day the Denver police came to my building and arrested him for trying to kill his wife with an axe. We watched as he was cuffed and taken away. The evidence was axe marks on the walls, a nasty gash in the wife’s shoulder, lots of blood and a dramatic story. The man was at work when she said this happened, punched in on the time clock with 24 witnesses including surveillance cameras. His sons testified that they watched their mother do this to herself, we all made statements to the police, I gave them the time card and my security tape. All was dismissed. Anyone can say or file or accuse anything. If this was a true and believable legal issue it would be on the TV 24 hours a day.
October 9, 2008
6:10 p.m.
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seeker writes:
dorfs
Also note that the same website shows statements and issues regarding Obama that do not support him or stand by him in any way. They are non-partisan. If Obama is wrong or misleading on an issue he is exposed as such. They are balanced.
October 9, 2008
6:21 p.m.
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dorfs writes:
seeker, you are correct about the Annenbergs, and they do good work with their philanthropy. I also found factcheck more accurate than any other of the sites.
However on the second issue with this court case, It is no "county court", it is a US Distric court, and it seems to me from reading the docket report that none of the simple conditions have been met.
Why fight to have it thrown out when you can simply produce the documents? The point they make about renouncing his US citizenship and showing residence for Indonesia is valid.
October 9, 2008
6:29 p.m.
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dorfs writes:
I must also point out that I found error on their factchecking of the ads that the NRA put out about Obama. They were totally incorrect about him not wanting to ban "just about all hunting ammo". Factcheck clearly didn't understand that "cop killer" ammo, that can penetrate a bullit proof vest consisted of about 99% of all hunting ammo.
October 9, 2008
7:02 p.m.
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seeker writes:
dorfs
I'll check out the ammo deal. The kicker for me on the country of birth was the birth announcement that was found in the Honolulu newspaper by those trying to prove he was born in another country. It would be quite a trick to plan that far ahead to conspire for a future presidential run.
October 9, 2008
7:37 p.m.
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seeker writes:
dorfs
Talked to two hunting buddies and they made the same error in interpretation as factcheck....thanks for pointing it out. Gotta read the fine print. It's hard to know where to draw the line sometimes. We want our law enforcement officers to be safe and still keep our gun rights. It's a fine line to walk without hurting someone along the way.
October 9, 2008
7:58 p.m.
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diggtbks writes:
Again the RMN ignores today's top news. This article is a "slant" on the the top news story today both in print and on Cable/TV News.
Where does the RMN stand on the latest ACORN voter fraud investigations that are now NATION WIDE?
Last week the RMN had a very favorable article about ACORN voter registration in Colorado. I think it was their attempt to counter the Las Vegas voter fraud news and make ACORN "appear" they have mended their ways.....
Do a Google search for "ACORN voter fraud", the news articles from around the country outnumber the NY Times "spin" article 20:1
ACORN again is being investigated for voter fraud.
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7195
http://www.courant.com/news/local/sta...
http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2375
http://www.news-leader.com/article/20...
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/...
October 9, 2008
8:11 p.m.
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dorfs writes:
Boy I'll tell you, I don't know what to do for sure. The republican party seemed to let me down, the dems don't have a clue and I am scared to death if they control all 3 branches of government. (can you imagine Nancy Pelosi getting her way on energy or any policy) I quit my job in february to be with my father in his last days. Over 60% of my life savings has evaporated in the last month. Gold has gone up again, maybe I'll go and mine gold for a while. I was getting a little over 2.5 oz/week for a 12 week period back in the '90's. Not bad tax free money for camping and fishing. At least I have about 600 lbs of meat in the freezer for the winter. God bless the American way of life.
October 10, 2008
9:04 a.m.
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cassidy22 writes:
I can not believe people are still trying to cling to "Obama isn't a US citizen" and "Obama is a muslim"
Does anyone do any fact checking, or do you all just believe everything you hear?