CAMPOS: McCain's extremist
By Paul Campos, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published October 8, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.
'I'm not going back to Woodstock for awhile," Canadian hippie rock star Neil Young sang no less than 35 years ago now. "I'm a million miles away from that helicopter day."
If only the same thing could be said about our political process.
As the presidential race enters the final month, an increasingly desperate John McCain is turning to the same culture war tactics that have served the Republican Party so well for the past generation.
McCain has attempted to link Barack Obama to former 1960s radical Bill Ayers, who, as a member of the Weather Underground, set off several bombs that did some serious property damage. None of the bombings Ayers was involved with killed anyone, but several years later other members of the group took part in an armed robbery in which two police officers and a guard were killed.
Ayers has been characterized as an unrepentant terrorist by McCain and his running mate Sarah Palin. At a campaign rally earlier this week Palin accused Obama of "launching his campaign inside the living room of a domestic terrorist."
In fact, Obama doesn't appear to have met Ayers at any time in the past six years. When Obama was running for the Illinois legislature in 1995, Ayers hosted a fundraiser for Obama at his house, and they later served on the board of a community anti-poverty group. Obama claims, quite plausibly, that when he met Ayers he was unaware of Ayers' radical past.
For what it's worth, I'm about the same age as Obama, I went to law school at the same time, I also practiced law in Chicago in the early 1990s, and I'm very interested in the history of the 1960s, but I didn't recognize Ayers' name when the GOP started flogging Obama's supposed connections to a domestic terrorist.
Here's a name I'm sure Obama, McCain, Palin and everyone interested in politics is very familiar with: Henry Kissinger.
Indeed, Kissinger is honorary co-chair of McCain's New York campaign, and a foreign policy adviser to McCain himself.
And here's a very simple question that almost no one in the media seems to ask: If we're going to make the crimes of the radical left in the 1960s and 1970s a campaign issue - a time period much of which Barack Obama spent in elementary school - then how about the crimes of the radical right?
And make no mistake: Henry Kissinger has done things that, morally speaking, make Ayers' actions, deplorable as some of them surely were, look like the equivalent of jaywalking.
An abbreviated list of the events that have made it dangerous for Kissinger to travel overseas, because of the possibility he would be arrested as a war criminal, include: covertly sabotaging Vietnam peace talks in 1968 in order to help get Richard Nixon elected; playing a key role in convincing Nixon to launch illegal wars in Laos and Cambodia (the latter action helped create the conditions that led to the Cambodian genocide); helping to plan the overthrow of Chile's democratically elected government, which included numerous assassinations funded by the CIA (again, all this in direct violation of international law); and helping to facilitate the Indonesian invasion of East Timor, which may have killed as many as 200,000 civilians.
Kissinger appears to have had every bit as much contempt for the law as Ayers, with the difference being that his brand of contempt led to millions of deaths.
The other difference is that playing a key role in a radical political movement that manages to take over the United States government is much more likely to get you to continue to be invited to swank dinner parties on the Upper East Side of New York, no matter how much blood may be on your hands.
That social fact doesn't make Henry Kissinger more respectable than Bill Ayers.
Paul Campos is a professor of law at the University of Colorado. He can be reached at paul.campos@colorado.edu.
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October 8, 2008
7:17 a.m.
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ILoveChipotle writes:
Wow Paul, just when I think your column can't get any worse - you go and write something like this. Defending a terrorist, defending Obama's connection with terrorists, and ignoring facts? Also, "the same culture war tactics that have served the Republican Party so well " ?!? That's the entire democratic platform, not the Republican, take off your blinders and quit drinking the Obama kool-aid.
October 8, 2008
7:33 a.m.
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lenglain writes:
"ILoveChipotle" are you completely dense or what? In what part of the article did the author "defend" Ayers? Nowhere, so you're wrong on that. He pointed out that the people calling Obama out on this are guilty of the same thing! Except that Kissinger overthrew the democratically elected leader of an entire country (Salvador Allende) paved the way for a brutal Saddam-like Tyrant, and also gave the "green light" to General Shuarto of Indonesia to invade East Timor. The general basically asked for Kissinger and President Ford's permission and assistance and they said "Yes" "but whatever you do do it quickly."
Suharto invaded East Timor the next day, beginning an occupation that killed thousands again. Kissinger has been summoned by various international judges for his activities in the Nixon and ford administrations but has simply not complied. So Chipotle what do you say to that?
October 8, 2008
7:36 a.m.
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LetsThink writes:
What did we expect from Mr. Campos?
He is an 'extreme' liberal. And his goal is to indoctrinate all of America (including his students) to his way of thinking.
That's rather scary.
October 8, 2008
8:37 a.m.
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lenglain writes:
none of you guys are even addressing the author's argument that's the scary thing, he doesn't exhonerate Ayers of any blame but simply points out that we should also be concerned about whom the McCain/Palin ticket is associating with. Why don't you guys care to think about it for a minute?
October 8, 2008
8:47 a.m.
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GunnyBob writes:
Parents, get your kids out of this "professor's" class. Imagine the indoctrination sessions he runs with your kids in them. CU, this maniac bears watching every day. Another merchant of hate at CU who defends terrorism, a la Ward Churchill. As a certified instructor in the recognition of and defense against political indoctrination and propaganda, and having trained thousands in this skill set, I recognize the disease in Campos. And to think my tax dollars subsidize this radicalism and hate.
October 8, 2008
8:59 a.m.
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rjnova writes:
What perfectly ridiculous propaganda Campos is spewing here. This is the pot calling the kettle black---no pun intended. Obama is caught bare faced lying about his relationship with Ayers and Campos like the rest of the media have been covering and protecting him his complete campaign. Ayers is a despicable domestic terrorist and proud of it. Why he is walking around free is a question that I have never heard an answer to.
Obama’s association with ACORN is another example of a guy with no scruples about palling around with nefarious people and then lying about any relationship. Let alone the millions of dollars he has brought to ACORN and Ayers and his committee of radical socialist agenda for indoctrinating the minority students in the failed Chicago school system, perhaps the worst schools in the US. His other leftist side of Chicago buddies in the Democrat political machine with their Mafia support is also well known.
Campos then rewrites history trying to blame Kissinger and Nixon for Viet Nam. That war is why the Democrats cannot be trusted when it comes to protecting this country or in warfare. Viet Nam was a Democrat war started by JFK and Johnson. A typically stupid Liberal/Leftist war where the enemy is given sanctuary in North Viet Nam and China and the Liberals do not have the stomach to do what it takes to win. There may have been reason at the time for Kennedy to prop up South Viet Nam but not to sacrifice Americans if there is not fortitude for fighting the war to win. American lives are too precious to Americans for such stupidity.
And where does Campos get the idea bombing the Communist supply routes in Laos and Cambodia was illegal? Another fuzzy headed liberal idea of fighting a war. Let the enemy have unfettered supply lines while we tie down our troops so they can become targets of opportunity for the enemy. By any measure it was the Communist who murdered 3 million Cambodian educated, teachers, land owners, etc. in their re-education concentration camps. The same Obama/Ayers idea to properly educate Chicago minority school children in the fine art of socialism. It is a Campos propaganda trick of tell the lie enough times and it becomes accepted as fact. As Obama did not say he would sit down with the Iranian Crazy President for peace talks.
And who gives a rat’s patootie about Chile’s socialist dictatorship but other socialists like Paul Campos, Obama and their ilk? Again he paints Kissinger with some imaginary plot to take over the US Government. What a bunch of propagandist drivel and slander to try to cover for his buddy Obama and his radical agenda.
October 8, 2008
9:56 a.m.
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ILoveChipotle writes:
lenglain - Campos tries to minimalize what Ayres did. "All he did was set off a few bombs, but no one got killed. Look how bad McCain is..." Give me a break! This man has contributed to Obama's campaign, they served on a board together, & Obama initiated his Illinois state senate campaign at his house!! Are you able to completey ignore these facts?!? If so - maybe you should lay off the kool-aid yourself lenglain. What do you have to say about that?!
October 8, 2008
10:43 a.m.
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Konyok writes:
Once again, Professor Campos offers up a facile analogy as analysis. His syllogism: Ayers = Bad, Obama is associated with Ayers, Kissinger = Bad, McCain is associated with Kissinger; therefore, criticism of Obama's ties with Ayers = Bad.
The fallacy: the "Bad" that Campos finds with Ayers and Kissinger are events that took place decades ago.
The problem: William Ayers is more active and influential now than he has ever been, if not as sensational. Dr. Ayers is perhaps the nation's most revered developer of curricula for elementary school education. Dr. Ayers has not renounced his terrorist past. Dr. Ayers is a proponent for "social justice" education in elementary schools, striving to indoctrinate and radicalize children.
Professor Campos has taken a principled stand on the "obesity epidemic." He has called for objectivity and balance on the issue of global warming. Can he be ignorant and indifferent to the issue of politicizing our elementary schools? Does he have no opinion, or is it simply easier to take the easy gotcha against John McCain?
October 8, 2008
10:45 a.m.
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Ted_in_Vegas writes:
Kissinger is a radical righty? Quit smoking the 'shrooms Campos.
BTW - D'OHbama's ties to Bill Ayers are quite a bit more than Ayers hosting a fundraiser. Besides, anyone can host a fundraiser; the president of Nigeria also hosted a fundraiser for D'OHbama as did two Hamas terrorists. Some $3.3 million or so of illegal, foreign political contributions to D'OHbama so far; but I digress.
Ayers HIRED D'OHbama to run his foundation, which short-changed the Chicago youth into a socialist/marxist ideology instead of actual, helpful education. D'OHbama ran Ayers' group; that's quite a closer tie than a simple fundraiser.
(BTW - Ayers' wife claims credit for bombing a judge's home that almost killed several kids - one of whom is now running for the State Senate in Pennsylvania. Michelle D'OHbama's BF?)
October 8, 2008
10:55 a.m.
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lenglain writes:
He NEVER DEFENDED AYERS!! You people are more dense then marble. He merely pointed out that Ayer's crimes are comparatively small next to Kissingers'.
"who gives a rat's patootie about Chile"?? Those who have possess something call decency. If Kissinger can do it in Chile, than was I wrong to wish Bin Laden's capture?
And what's this nonsense about the War in Vietnam being a "democrat war"? it was an American war Democrat and Republican what kind of radical breed of partisanship is it to blame a war that spanned the course of six presidential terms on one party?
October 8, 2008
11:24 a.m.
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ArvadaMiner writes:
lenglain,
I am willing to concede that Vietnam was an American War, as long as you say the same about Iraq.
October 8, 2008
11:38 a.m.
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ILoveChipotle writes:
This is how far off the reservation the angry left is - lenglain is trying to convince us that bombing the pentagon "is comparatively small". Give me a break!
October 8, 2008
11:51 a.m.
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peterpi writes:
To all of the people trying to defend Campos' Kissinger/McCain comparison, it's hopeless:
To the neocons on this board, everything McCain is OK because he's a patriot, anything Obama has ever done is worthless because he's a pinko-loving traitor.
Everyone McCain has ever associated with is a hero and patriot, anyone Obama has associated with must be a commie terrorist.
It's that simple. There's no arguing with them.
Kissinger is scum. Ayers committed crimes, but Kissinger took actions that caused thousands of Chileans to "disappear", and led to the deaths of thousands of innocent Timorians. But that's OK because he's conservative.
October 8, 2008
1:29 p.m.
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FU writes:
McCain looks like Montgomery Burns.
October 8, 2008
2:28 p.m.
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awakenedcitizen writes:
While “guilt by association” is one of the more bogus attacks in any political campaign, the attacks on Barack Obama over William Ayers are particularly “ridiculous,” in the words of one Republican legislator from Illinois.
Barack Obama lived in the same area of Chicago as Ayers, and Ayers has been a respected, politically active member of that community for years. Considering that, it’s actually remarkable how little the two have to do with each other. Early in Barack Obama’s career, he attended one reception in his own honor at Ayers’ house. They also were separately asked by a Republican-created charitable organization to serve on that organization’s board. And that’s it. . "Mr. Ayers played no role in Mr. Obama's appointment," reported the New York Times. There’s no friendship between the two, no relationship, no history of working together.
Again quoting the Times, “Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called ‘somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.’” Even Republican State Rep. Diana Nelson, who has worked with both men, calls the attacks “ridiculous,” and declared to NPR, “There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It's nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It's so silly."
October 8, 2008
2:42 p.m.
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awakenedcitizen writes:
We have a lot of "proxies" posted here. A proxy is a substitute argument for the real reason you hold a posiiton of opinion. In this election process, proxies are rampant.
The Ayers argument is a proxy (one of McCain's best friends is a convicted felon).
The "Muslim" argument is a proxy.
The "towelhead" comment is a proxy.
The birth certificate "issue" is a proxy.
The days in the Senate issue is a proxy (McCain has a 63.8% absentee record; Obama 45.5%; Palin has been absent from her job in Alaska 78% of her time in office)
The "terrorist" lie is a proxy.
The "Koran" argument is a proxy.
The "lack of experience" myth is a proxy.
I could go on and on.
What are these arguments proxies for? People use them instead of voicing their real reason to oppose Obama; that he has a black father.
Posters, you look silly when you puff up these "proxies" as "reasons" to be against a man who:
Is a faithful and loving husband.
A loving father.
Pulled himself up by his bootstraps to get an education.
Committed three years of his life to imporving a community, much like what youth in some churches do, a "mission".
Paid off his own student loans.
Has spent 12 years as a legislator achieving significant results.
Is a Christian.
Has been a law professor.
Has a very high intellect and a conscience.
October 8, 2008
2:47 p.m.
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gary writes:
Here you go guys...view this and see for yourselves how "in bed" with the housing crisis and the failure caused by this association, Obama is and was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_c...
October 8, 2008
3:18 p.m.
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chaka419 writes:
awakenedcitizen writes:
What are these arguments proxies for? People use them instead of voicing their real reason to oppose Obama; that he has a black father.
I could care less the color of his, his grandmother's, or his father's skin!! I care about the content of his character!! He is a liberal socialist who wants to take my hard earned money and give it away!! His protectionism of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac execs for giving him HUGE campaign funds has led us to this economic crisis. As far as I'm concerned Ayers is small potatoes compared to that fact. This article is just another liberal saying, "If you don't agree with me you are a criminal." Liberal's no longer beleive in the diversity of ideas people. Obama win means more attacks on conservatives, say goodbye to your rights Republicans!!!!
October 8, 2008
3:26 p.m.
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RainbowWarrior writes:
The pendulum has simply swung too far to the right, if Mr. McCain had been elected to office in 2000, the world would be a better place now; no Mission Accomplished, no Carl Rove, no torture in our names, no politicized Justice Department and blah blah blah, we all know the election of 2000 was stolen in more ways than any of us can rationaly deal with. The pendulum now needs to swing back, sorry but some of you conservative fringe dancers got your wildest dreams realized in George W. Bush and it's been a disaster! They refer to a "ship of state" because as the winds of history change directions, the ship needs to tack to get to the desired destination... go too far on a tack and when you have to come about the ship can capsize. The ship needs to come about now, and the McCain/Palin ticket will put this country on the rocks, but if we go too far to the left, we'll be dealing with new issues caused by leftist extremism. The moderates need to start standing shoulder to shoulder and demanding compromise from both sides and run our ship of state on a steady course down the center for a while, even if it isn't at flank speed. We must remember we have gone too far to the right at this point and the center is now left of where we think it is. The radical fringe on both sides need to be pushed back into their minority positions, this would include Sarah Palin because she just doesn't get it and never will. If you have ever had the rare opportunity of be around the extremist of both sides, their twisted little minds meet on the back side a complete a full circle... go figure!
October 8, 2008
3:30 p.m.
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ILoveChipotle writes:
awakenedcitizen - I vote for someone because of the issues - not what color they are or what sex they are. But according to you - if I don't vote for Obama, then I'm a racist, regardless if I disagree on EVERY issue he stands for. People like you throw out the racist charge too often - (& by the way, you used a proxy)
October 8, 2008
4:11 p.m.
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jay writes:
"this maniac bears watching every day. Another merchant of hate at CU who defends terrorism"
gunnybob, how exactly do you think campos "defends terrorism"?
"Obama is caught bare faced lying about his relationship with Ayers"
cnn debunked this myth a few days ago, rjnova/teddy...please see the thread or google.
here's the info on some of the other conspiracy theories going around:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/...
and come on man....you're smarter than this:
"it was the Communist who murdered 3 million Cambodian educated, teachers, land owners, etc. in their re-education concentration camps. The same Obama/Ayers idea to properly educate Chicago minority school children in the fine art of socialism."
"He is a liberal socialist who wants to take my hard earned money and give it away!!"
nope. he isn't and he won't.
jebus people. i'll say it again...if you're not going to base your vote on actual policy stances (instead of crap you just make up) PLEASE do the country a favor and stay home on election day.
the last thing america needs is uninformed folks at the polls.
October 8, 2008
4:52 p.m.
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taoistblockhead writes:
GunnyBob - Not only is Kissinger a terrorist but the current occupants of the White House (Bush, Cheney, Rice the former Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld) and their team of Neocon enablers such as David Addington, John Yoo, etc are ALL terrorists and should be tried for War Crimes. I would reference you to the 35 Articles of Impeachment introduced by Dennis Kucinich (along with Ron Paul one of the only true American Patriots in Congress).
Thank you Paul Campos for speaking the truth.
October 8, 2008
5:33 p.m.
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MrPeabody writes:
Anybody using the lame NY Times article excusing Obama as justification for their argument is disqualified.
Jay - nobody reads your stuff any more. Give it up.
Awakenedcitizen - they were not both asked to serve on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Ayers set it up and ASKED Obama to be the chairman. For those of you wondering about his executive experience, you really should look into how well that all went. $50 mil down a rathole with no change in student achievement (but I bet they really understood "social justice.")
There is a big difference between "guilt by association" and a known and documented working relationship. This "guilt by association" charge is an attempt to downplay, kind of like what Obama said early - Ayers is just a guy I knew from the neighborhood.
October 8, 2008
6:27 p.m.
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Wagner writes:
One has to wonder if these McCain apologists wear their white sheets and pointy hats while hammering their keyboard.
October 8, 2008
9 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Shame on RMN for paying Campos to support and defend terrorists.
October 8, 2008
10:29 p.m.
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FCZ writes:
Barack Obama began his career in the home of William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. In 1995, Obama saw an opportunity to run for the Illinois Senate seat that was held by Alice Palmer; Palmer planned to run for the Congressional seat that had been vacated by Mel Reynolds. Reynolds had been convicted in a state court of sexual misconduct with a 16 year-old volunteer. Alice Palmer was also the editor of the Black Press Review in 1986, and as such, she was the only African-American to attend the 27th Congress of the Communist Party in the Soviet Union.
Jerome Corsi, in his well documented book Obama Nation makes the case that Alice Palmer was a well known leftist in Chicago's liberal community. She handpicked Obama to be her successor and she invited her influential liberal friends to the home William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn to gain support for Obama's campaign. Corsi also makes the point that Alice Palmer would never have invited Obama to the Ayers-Dohrn home if she thought Obama was politically incompatible with them. We should bear in mind that in 1995 Obama had been attending Rev. Wright's church for several years, and he considered Wright to be his mentor.
Ayers and Dohrn remain committed radicals to this day. Corsi points to some audio clips that Chicago radio station WYLL obtained clips of speeches that William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn made at a 2007 reunion of SDS members. Ayers can be heard praising and quoting Communist revolutionaries heroes, including Chou En Lai who was a confident of Chairman Mao.
http://thinkaboutit.typepad.com/think...
October 8, 2008
10:38 p.m.
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mcmakev writes:
Palin keeps lying about terrorist associations. Who's the questionable candidate, with questionable associations?
Check it out:
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_...
October 8, 2008
10:40 p.m.
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taoistblockhead writes:
Jerome Corsi is a scumbag and was just kicked out of Kenya. Maybe FOX News will give him a job - he'd fit right in with the anti-Semite Sean Hannity.
October 8, 2008
10:54 p.m.
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mcmakev writes:
Is not Corsi the same jackal that wrote that book of lies about Kerry, which has now spawned a widely-used term for slandering your political adversary - swift-boating? Why would anyone waste their $$ on that crap?
October 9, 2008
2:44 a.m.
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WestminsterJ writes:
Konyok: The problem: William Ayers is more active and influential now than he has ever been, if not as sensational. Dr. Ayers is perhaps the nation's most revered developer of curricula for elementary school education. Dr. Ayers has not renounced his terrorist past. Dr. Ayers is a proponent for "social justice" education in elementary schools, striving to indoctrinate and radicalize children.
The problem: what does any of that have to do with Barack Obama? Obama has repeatedly denounced Ayers' actions. Ayers' terrorist actions were committed when Obama was 8 years old. All of this is the flimsiest guilt-by-association, and a very thin association at that.
October 9, 2008
10:33 a.m.
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VeryOpinionated writes:
Campo's article reminds me of a comment from the DVD "Planet Earth." When describing the displays of the Bird(s) of Paradise, the narrator said, "there's no such thing as 'over the top.'" The same can be said about Campo's articles.
October 9, 2008
12:58 p.m.
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conniesz writes:
The morally bankrupt GOP is finally getting what it deserves. People are paying attention to how we started many of the wars in the last 50 years and are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. If you cannot accept the fact that many of the actions of the administrations Kissinger served are considered crimes by the rest of the world you've got your head so far up your a-s-s you'll never see the sun shine again. I know, I know, who cares what the rest of the world thinks - well, as it turns out a lot of us right here don't like what our government has done in our name and we're getting ready to take our government back.
Obama will win this election. Get used to it - government by the people is coming back.
October 9, 2008
7:33 p.m.
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HopiMedicineMan writes:
We need to close that school immediately.
October 9, 2008
8:26 p.m.
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diggtbks writes:
Comparing Henry Kissinger to the domestic terrorist Ayres is a new low for Compost.
October 9, 2008
8:32 p.m.
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diggtbks writes:
WestminsterJ writes:
"Konyok: The problem: William Ayers is more active and influential now than he has ever been, if not as sensational. Dr. Ayers is perhaps the nation's most revered developer of curricula for elementary school education."
On the news tonight it was mentioned Ayers curricula was highly praised by Hugo Chavez.
October 10, 2008
10:35 a.m.
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schnauzer writes:
The best thing I did about a year ago was not to renew my Rocky subscription. Reading crap like this every morning was not a good way to start my day. No wonder newspapers are having a bad time. Day after day of 80% liberal screeds like this.
After reading a Campos colum I can't wait to vote for every Republican in sight!
October 10, 2008
10:48 a.m.
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fredfromsj writes:
McCain and his campaign are despicable. Have we forgotten centuries of slavery due to the seed of association? Have we forgotten the encampment of Japanese in WWII due to the seed of association? Have we forgotten the Nazi’s and the concentration camps due to the seed of association? Are we heading back to the years of Joseph McCarthy hunting down everyday Americans due to the seed of association?
I am appalled by the lack of prominent figures of this country denouncing the tactic of used by McCain and his campaign, playing this as desperation politics. Stroking fear against an individual or a group is wrong. Not only is it politically objectionable, it is socially intolerable, and morally deplorable.
As Edward R Murrow has so eloquently stated:
“No one familiar with the history of his country, can deny that congressional committees are useful. It is necessary to investigate before legislating. But the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one, and the Junior Senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. His primary achievement has been confusing the public mind as between the internal and the external threats of communism. We must not confuse dissent from disloyalty. We must remember always, that accusation is not proof, and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another; we will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason. If we dig deep into our history and our doctrine, we will remember we are not descended from fearful men. Not from men who dared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were for the moment unpopular. This is no time for men who oppose Sen. McCarthy's methods to keep silent or for those who approve. We can deny our heritage and our history but we cannot escape responsibility for the result. There is no way for a citizen of the republic to abdicate his responsibilities. As a nation we have come into our full inheritance at a tender age. We proclaim ourselves as indeed we are the defenders of freedom wherever it still exists in the world. But we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. The actions of the Junior Senator from Wisconsin have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad and given considerable comfort to our enemies. And whose fault is that? Not really his, he didn't create this situation of fear, he merely exploited it, and rather successfully. Cassius was right, the fault dear Brutus is not in our stars, but in ourselves. Good night and good luck.”
October 10, 2008
4:15 p.m.
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hunterman writes:
So McCain supporters have devolved to enraged chimps screeching and flinging their feces? In the words of Sponge Bob, "Well, good luck with that!"
October 11, 2008
7:54 p.m.
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HopiMedicineMan writes:
hunterman
Depends, flinging their Depends. Republicans, as we read in the News forum are old people who drive Cadillacs and Benzes, then we're expected to believe they have trunks full of bricks to use against Democrat headquarters. According to Channel 2, one of these Depends Republican Ninjas climbed a barbed wire fence, and a 40-foot billboard; ripped the nose off a Democrat and got away into the night.
October 12, 2008
8:10 a.m.
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crewislife writes:
I love watching these members of the right-wing zombie brigade get all hysterical when you call them out on their lies. They whine and whine about Bill Ayers, and Rev. Wright. But when you point out McCain's ties to the whack-o Rev. Haggee, and to mass murdering Henry Kissinger, they freak out! What's the problem? Can't handle the truth?
How about G. Gordon Liddy? Unlike Bill Ayers, Liddy was ACTUALLY convicted of a crime. Liddy is the same person who advocated shooting DEA agents in the head! Those who live in glass houses should throw stones.
October 12, 2008
3:04 p.m.
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Snapple writes:
The Weather Underground collaborated with communist intelligence services and murdered or attempted to murder Americans. They blew themselves up in 1970 making a bomb that would have been planted at a dance at Fort Dix.
Brian V. McDonnell, a San Francisco policeman, was killed by shrapnel from a bomb Bernardine Dohrn (Bill Ayers' wife) reportedly set on a ledge at the San Francisco Police Department on February 16, 1970. Brian died of his injuries two days later on February 18.
As even the New York Times (10-3-08) conceeds:
"A 1970 pipe bomb in San Francisco attributed to the group killed one police officer [Brian McDonnell] and severely hurt another."
The New York Times doesn't mention that one of the potential suspects in this San Francisco pipe bomb murder is Bernardine Dohrn, Bill Ayers' wife. In about 2000, armed with new forensic techniques and help from state and federal authorities, the San Francisco Police Department reopened an investigation into this murder.
KRON4 reported on 11-10-03:
Last fall, according to law enforcement sources, San Francisco police turned over its evidence to the US attorney, who took over the investigation. The government quietly convened a federal grand jury which subpoenaed former members of not only the Weather Underground but the Black Panthers and the more militant Black Liberation Army, which investigators believe was responsible for the Ingleside shooting.
The Society of Former Special Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation authored a 1979 pamphlet on the WUO that reported:
"On October 18, 1974, Larry Grathwohl, a former member of the WUO, testified before a US Senate Subcommittee that Bill Ayers, a WUO leader, had told him that Bernardine Dohrn, another WUO leader, had to plan, develop and carry out the bombing of the police station in San Francisco. Ayers told Grathwohl the bomb was placed on the window ledge and he described the bomb that was used to the extent of saying what kind of shrapnel was used in it."
According to Grathwohl:
"[Ayers] cited as one of the real problems that someone like Bernardine Dohrn had to plan, develop, and carry out the bombing of the police station in San Francisco, and he specifically named her as the person that committed that act. . . . He said that the bomb was placed on the window ledge and he described the kind of bomb that was used to the extent of saying what kind of shrapnel was used in it. . . . [I]f he wasn’t there to see it, somebody who was there told him about it, because he stated it very emphatically."
CITATIONS:
http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com...
October 12, 2008
3:56 p.m.
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Snapple writes:
If Senator Obama didn't have a close relationship with Bill Ayers, why did the Senator endorse Bill Ayers' book?
I am not voting for a President who endorses a communist/terrorists' book.
All the details are here.
http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com...
Ayers never respected any authority but his own. He dominated and bullied other people. He sexually humiliated women.
Now he wants education to be used to indoctrinate children into communism and he will be the Commissar of Education.
In "Revolution," a magazine published by The Revolutionary Communist Party, USA, a self-described "Marxist, Leninist, Maoist" group Ayers recently argued that education can't be separated from "the concept of politics and political change."
He hopes to use education to bring about a communist revolution and enslave us all.
Senator Obama endorsed Ayers' book, so I don't want him in the White House.
Sources: http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com...
Ayers' wife said of Charles Manson's murders:
"Dig it! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them. They even shoved a fork into the victim's stomach! Wild!"
Ayers and Dohrn are repulsive killers.
October 12, 2008
4:37 p.m.
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Snapple writes:
Jesse Lemisch, Professor Emeritus of History at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, has written an article called "Weather Underground Rises from the Ashes: They're Baack!"
Professor Lemisch observes:
"Veterans of Weather (as well as some fans) seem to be on a drive to rehabilitate, cleanse, and perhaps revive it -- not necessarily as a new organization, but rather as an ideological component of present and future movements. There have been signs of such a sanitization and romanticization for some time. A landmark in this rehabilitation is Bill Ayers, Fugitive Days: A Memoir (Beacon Press 2001; Penguin Books 2003)."
I think it's sick that Ayers is allowed to teach. Weather made all sorts of justifications for killing whites. They even said, "All white babies are pigs."
When Senator Obama endorses Bill Ayers book, he helps to rehabilitate this terrorist whose organization had contacts with communist intelligence services and who bombed, injured, and killed Americans.
They especially attacked the police. They believed this would cause a communist revolution.
Ayers and Dohrn are lying when they say they tried not to hurt people. They organized riots. They bombed. They declared war on America. They are communists and terrorists who hate capitalism and democracy.
Senator Obama should not have endorsed Ayers' book.
At the very least, it shows he just doesn't get it.
October 12, 2008
4:53 p.m.
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Snapple writes:
I think it's interesting that Bill Ayers was writing a sanitized account of his days as a bomber at the same time as the San Francisco police, state and federal authorities were reopening the cold case of the bombing murder of policeman Brian McConnell.
I guess he is afraid that he spoke too soon when he said, "Guilty as Hell, free as a bird."
The evidence was sent to a US attorney and grand jury a few years ago. Ayers and Dohrn were reportedly being investigated for this bombing that killed Brain McDonnell and badly injured other policemen. They called policemen "pigs."
People remember Charles Manson as a psychopath because of the Tate-LaBianca killings and his ideology called Helter-Skelter, but to me Dohrn and Ayers are no different than Manson. Weather Underground was also a cult of killers who believed that their mayhem would lead to a communist utopia like Cuba or Vietnam.
October 13, 2008
1:01 a.m.
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jay writes:
far right wing conspiracy theories just aren't going to cut it, snapple.
jebus people. i'll say it again...if you're not going to base your vote on actual policy stances (instead of crap you just make up) PLEASE do the country a favor and stay home on election day.
the last thing america needs is uninformed folks at the polls.
October 13, 2008
8:43 a.m.
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2months2go writes:
LetsThink and GunnyBob: Have either of you taken class from Prof. Campos, or even listened to a single one of his classroom lectures? Or spoken to him about his goals? I have taken class from him and, in my experience, you are wrong. No "indoctrination." In fact, I had plenty of conservatives in my classes with Prof. Campos and, to my knowledge, they all emerged with their core beliefs intact.
October 13, 2008
10:37 a.m.
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T1anda writes:
Heroism = John McCain!
OVER
Terrorism = Barack Hussien Obama
October 13, 2008
10:59 a.m.
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prairiefyre writes:
See Fugitive Days, Bill Ayers autobiography, for a compelling look at his days in the Weather Underground and his critique of the thinking that drove former SDS members to found the Weathermen, and later the Weather Underground. Anyone who has not read Ayers book, spoken to Ayers, or seen the documentary about the group cannot speak knowledgeably about who Ayers was, what he thought, what he did, and what he thinks now. It's all just innuendo, which has been inflaming the kind of hate that results in violence. When people at McCain/Palin rallies shout "kill him!" and boo McCain for saying that Obama is not dangerous, that says something about the angry mob mentality of their supporters. Now that's scary!
October 13, 2008
11:50 a.m.
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T1anda writes:
Malachi....McCain nor Obama is qualified to become president of these United States period!!!!
However, Obama gives me and my family more than palpable fear!! Obama and his far-left Marxist/socialist anti-American political machine scares the crappola out of all of us!
Therefore, we will be voting for the lesser of two evils John McCain!!
October 13, 2008
12:39 p.m.
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Ted_in_Vegas writes:
Jay, I don't know about Snapple, but I vote based on philosophy, character, and judgment.
D'ohBama has a marxist-socialist philosophy: look at his most liberal voting record in the Senate(s), the doctrine of the education foundation Bill Ayers sought him out for, and the basic political philosophy of ACORN - his first "political" employer.
D'ohBama has a serious lack of character: lying about his connections to and/or support from Ayers (terrorist), Hamas (terrorists), Reszko (thief), Wright (racist demagogue), Raines (thief), Jones (theif), Farrakhan (racist demagogue), etc., his multiple counterpositions on taxes, and willingness to kill the innocent (abortion), save the guilty (death penalty) and crush liberty (gun-control nut that he is).
D'ohBama has dearth of judgment: his KNOWN associations with or support from the above-referenced persons, his call for UN Security Council action on Russia's invasion of Georgia (stupid for anyone who remembers high school civics, willingness to run away from a fight (anti-surge), willingness to telegraph his punches ("we'll go into Pakistan to get Osama").
There's a wealth of fundamental, principled reasons not to vote for Barack "the moron" D'ohBama.
McCain wasn't my first choice either, but he rates higher on every standard listed above than D'ohBama.
October 13, 2008
1:06 p.m.
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Bren2u writes:
Just get over it you guys.
Obama is our next President! So obvious. Thank god for that.
I couldn't imaging McCain & that goof, Palin in the Whitehouse.
Two very dangerous people.
October 13, 2008
1:23 p.m.
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Bren2u writes:
Excuse me MrPeabody, I read his article! Speak for yourself and not us. Mr Campos was simply telling it like it is.
You guys just can't stand it that McCain is certainly the underdog here. Stop looking at videos of what they have done right or wrong. For god sakes, look at these men. Obviously McCain is very, very dangerous, not to mention whats her face. That other one!
October 13, 2008
1:26 p.m.
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amaikovich writes:
Am I out of turn saying, "It's the economy, stupid!"
As for whether my son takes a class from Mr. Campos, I'd have no problem with that. If my son took a class from Karl Rove, I'd have no problem with that. Hearing different ideas and "thinking" is what college is all about.
October 13, 2008
1:37 p.m.
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Bren2u writes:
Wow, sounds like you have that "angry" thing going on too.
Stupid?
Have a great day
October 13, 2008
8:48 p.m.
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jay writes:
"Jay, I don't know about Snapple, but I vote based on philosophy, character, and judgment"
you were close with that one ted.
if said accurately, though, you vote based on your "feelings" about the candidate's "philosophy, character and judgement"....but you've finally admitted that you don't vote based on policy stances and i applaud you for your intellectual honesty.
congrats.
i hope you and your "feelings" do the country a favor on election day and stay home...as the last thing this country needs is people making uninformed voting decisions.
October 20, 2008
3:23 a.m.
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Snapple writes:
In the 60s and 70s I lived in Lake Forest, the Chicago suburb where Bill Ayers attended a boys' boarding school after his freshman year. This school had some kids with issues in those days.
I remember that the terrorist Bill Ayers was a very sensitive issue at his school. We thought he was like Bin Laden in those days. He is an evil, manipulative predator who has a lot of enemies.
A writer named Jack Cashill, who has written a book on intellectual fraud titled "Hoodwinked," has posted series of articles questioning the authorship of Senator Obama's "Dreams From My Father." He thinks that Senator Obama's book bears a striking resemblance to Bill Ayers' "Fugitive Days."
He believes that Bill Ayers ghostwrote Senator Obama's book.
Here are some links to Cashill's articles. The last article is probably the most complete treatment of the evidence so far.
http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com...