Missing Marine fights extradition after capture
23-year-old suspected of staging death, disappearance in 2006
By Sara Burnett, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published November 16, 2008 at 10:42 p.m.
Updated November 18, 2008 at 9:03 a.m.
Chris Tucker © Peninsula Daily News
Lloyd Hering, father of Lance Hering, of Boulder, is hugged by a woman who declined to be identified Monday at the Clallam County Superior Court in Port Angeles, Wash. At left is a man who also declined to identify himself, but he is associated with Lloyd Hering.
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To hear his lawyer tell it, Lance Hering knew what he needed to do.
After faking his own disappearance and living in hiding for two years, the Boulder Marine was tired, lonely and carrying a heavy conscience, his attorney said Monday.
Hering, wanted by the Marines on a desertion charge, was just days from voluntary surrender when police in Port Angeles, Wash., working off a tip from the Boulder County Sheriff's Office, arrested him and his father at William R. Fairchild International Airport Sunday, said lawyer Alex Garlin.
"This was on Lance's volition, his determination, his act as an adult, knowing that there are only certain ways he could start to get all of this behind him," added Garlin, who practices in Boulder County.
Hering, whose staged 2006 disappearance in Eldorado Canyon drew hundreds of volunteers for a massive manhunt, appeared in court in Port Angeles on Monday afternoon.
His blonde hair, closely cropped in the military photo distributed by police and his family, hung past his shoulders.
Hering, now 23, is charged in Boulder County with contempt of court and false reporting, and is wanted for violating probation in a 2004 burglary conviction.
The U.S. Marine Corps also has a warrant out for him for desertion and has placed a no-bond hold on his release.
His father, Lloyd Hering, 60, was arrested on suspicion of misdemeanor aiding and abetting but was released Monday pending a charging decision, Port Angeles Deputy Police Chief Brian Smith said.
Hering, a pilot, was refueling a Cessna plane he had rented from a Longmont aviation company, while Lance Hering said goodbye to an unknown woman, when they were arrested, authorities said.
Police declined to say where father and son were headed.
It was still unclear late Monday whether Lance Hering, who is so far fighting extradition to Colorado, will face charges in Boulder first or be picked up first by the Marines.
Also unknown was where Hering lived for the last two years, how he got money to survive and why he deserted weeks before he was to return to Camp Pendleton and another tour in Iraq.
"I would hope that he would tell the truth and kind of settle this all once and for all, but that hasn't been the case so far," said Boulder County Sheriff's Commander Phil West, who was unaware of any plan for Hering to turn himself in.
"We'll see if time has persuaded him that he needs to be more forthcoming."
Hiking accident
On Aug. 30, 2006, Lance Hering's friend, Steve Powers, told police he and Hering had been hiking and climbing in Eldorado Canyon when Hering fell and suffered a head injury. Powers said he went to get help, and that when he returned Hering was gone.
About a week later, Powers admitted he had made up the story to help his friend, whom he said was afraid to return to his unit because he had seen his fellow Marines commit a homicide — an assertion the Marine Corps said was unfounded.
Police later said they had video footage of Hering getting on a Greyhound bus at the station in downtown Denver.
In an interview with KOA 850 radio a few months later, Lloyd Hering and his wife, Elynne, said they were terrified for their son, who in the video was carrying no backpack or wallet.
"He was alone and lost and running," Lloyd Hering said. "It wasn't pretty.
Police said Lance Hering used an alias to book the ticket, but did not disclose where he was heading, though reports soon surfaced that he had been sighted in Iowa.
Lloyd Hering told the radio station he dropped everything and went to the small town — the location was not revealed — where he handed out fliers and talked to people who said they had seen his son.
Some said they spotted him keeping warm in the library. Others saw him buying food or a pair of pants. He last was seen walking on the main road out of town, Lloyd Hering said.
Desperate to hear from their son, the Herings created a web site, where they posted messages in hopes Lance Hering would read them and call or come home.
"Any scrap of communication would be priceless," Lloyd Hering wrote in one. "I may not know where prayer goes, but I pray for you all day, every day."
'Terrible thing'
Boulder County officials believed Hering had left on his own and wasn't in danger or a danger to others, so the case became a low priority, West said.
No surveillance was conducted, and contact with Hering's family was "infrequent."
A detective was assigned to the case, but his job was mainly to take calls of reported sightings.
"It wasn't something we were putting a lot of effort into," West said.
In July 2007, a Marine Corps investigator said he believed Hering may be hiding at his parents' house. The investigator, with Boulder police and sheriff's deputies, searched the family home but found nothing.
Then two months ago, Boulder County got an anonymous tip from someone who reported seeing Hering camping in Olympic National Park, right outside Port Angeles.
They notified officials there, who searched the area but did not find him.
"Nothing came of it at the time but now in light of his arrest in Port Angeles, it seems like it was probably pretty accurate information," West said Monday.
Neither West nor Sheriff Joe Pelle would reveal any information about the final tip, which led to Sunday's arrest at the airport in Port Angeles.
"We have to protect our source," Pelle said.
Authorities also would not comment on Lloyd Hering's involvement, or when they believe he first was in contact with his son.
But Garlin said any suggestion Lloyd Hering might have been helping his son flee again is "preposterous."
"Whatever the whole narrative is that emerges ultimately, this has been a terrible, terrible thing," he said.
Staff writers Alan Gathright and Kevin Vaughan contributed to this report.
November 16, 2008
11:05 p.m.
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xeeian writes:
He should have just told the Marines that he got accepted to Harvard Business School, and that he needed to be released from his obligation.
The Military is really understanding that way, you know, if you have a good excuse.
November 16, 2008
11:11 p.m.
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AC writes:
Maybe he should have done what Bush did and just go work on a friend's political campaign in another state and forget to go back to duty. All will be forgiven and he can become president some day.
November 16, 2008
11:40 p.m.
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Garip writes:
What can this mean? A marine didn't want to kill or be killed? How inhuman. I hope it doesn't work out to being a very long stretch in the hole and that he can move on from here. Also, I think the guy that helped him shouldn't have to be solely responsible for a $33,000 fine. (an arbitrarily figured figure)
November 17, 2008
2:14 a.m.
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angryman1n writes:
Congrats... You're an idiot... And a felon. (Kiss your voting rights goodbye. I wonder if that is how he got caught. That’d be classic.)
The kid could have just had a religious revelation and claimed he is now a "contentious objector." He’d never see direct combat again.
There were all kinds of ways he could have gotten out of this w/ some dignity. He just didn't think. Now he's at the mercy of civilian and military law. He betrayed his brothers. Something tells me his Marine peers won't be so understanding.
Congrats kid... You’re now in that elite group of EX-marines. We’re all proud.
November 17, 2008
2:21 a.m.
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angryman1n writes:
Oh, I almost forgot. His friend (Powers) should sue him for the $33K he had to cough up.
November 17, 2008
2:38 a.m.
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Who_Me writes:
Nice grasp of the facts, not, angryman. You can vote as a felon in Colorado, depending upon your incarceration/parole status. Also, the friend was complicit in the disappearing act. Why should he be able to sue his old friend for the money? That's a dumb statement.
November 17, 2008
6:55 a.m.
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November 17, 2008
7:06 a.m.
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peter303 writes:
A whole family of cowards.
The marine will get five years of hard labor.
November 17, 2008
7:27 a.m.
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davehughes writes:
Its a shame this volunteer (not drafted) Marine's family, rather than persuade him to take responsibility for his decisions and actions, have aided him in his actions - themselves committing a crime. Part of the 'irresponsible' generation of Americans who also screw up raising families?
November 17, 2008
7:27 a.m.
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Shadow writes:
With the liberal attitude of Boulder I am shocked that the police even charged the father. As a matter of fact now that B.O. is elected I am shocked that they are not throwing him a parade.
Not to worry I am sure B.O. will pardon him from all charges.
November 17, 2008
7:31 a.m.
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davehughes writes:
Oh yes. I'll amend my posting above, noting that he and his family is from Boulder, where NOBODY takes responsibility for their actions.
November 17, 2008
8:06 a.m.
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BigRich writes:
Shadow -
They (Boulder authorities) have not charged the father...yet. I hope they do, but they have apparently not yet made that decision.
November 17, 2008
8:19 a.m.
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ifyem writes:
davehughes writes:
Oh yes. I'll amend my posting above, noting that he and his family is from Boulder, where NOBODY takes responsibility for their actions.
Yeah and I am sure Dave here is a model human being who has never made a mistake in his life..Get a life Dave and stop criticizing and generalizing people you don't know..
November 17, 2008
8:22 a.m.
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MsValeriah writes:
I get very sick of all the generalized negative comments about people from Boulder. Not all of us shirk responsibility for our actions. It's wrong for an entire town to be vilified because of the actions of the individuals who do stupid things. Any town anywhere has their own share of idiots.
This kid made a very stupid and dishonorable mistake, there's no disputing that. Doesn't mean all of us who live in Boulder should be lumped in with him.
November 17, 2008
8:33 a.m.
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Davek80501 writes:
In my personal opinion. I'm sure Lloyd Hering is a proud Boulderite type father for how he raised his son. Instead of teaching his son to take responsibility for his actions and decisions, and then help him face those decisions. He taught him to be a coward and to run away from his responsibility. Mr. Hering, I as a father would be ashamed to show my face in public if my son were to cowardly desert the Marines and his word. Now to find out you were evidently helping him in being a deserter and a coward shows not only what kind of father you are but why your son has made the decisions he made. My condolences to the loss of pride in your family name, you can only hope that the name "Hering" does not end up in history books like the names "Arnold" and "Mud".
One only has to wonder about that old adage "Like Father Like Son".
November 17, 2008
8:34 a.m.
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Dick_Tater writes:
There are war veterans who live in Boulder too. Being a coward is not a geographic anomaly. What this idiot did was waste a lot of volunteers time looking for him. He also left a team without a member. By abandoning his unit he potentially put others in danger. Lance, you're a deserter and a coward.
November 17, 2008
9:01 a.m.
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law1 writes:
Davek8051. I imagine Mr. Hering's situation is one where you never know how you'll react until you are there. To say otherwise is just to prove yourself a blowhard.
For all those saying the kid is a coward...maybe he is. He probably could have found better ways of avoiding another tour. But he already served at least one tour of duty, that's probably more than most, if not all, of the people calling him a coward. I don't think we have the right to say who's coward and who isn't unless we've been there and know what he has seen (and I do not).
November 17, 2008
9:07 a.m.
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ColoNative writes:
Once a Marine, always a Marine. He was never a Marine.
November 17, 2008
9:08 a.m.
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Diff writes:
He is little more than a selfish, spoiled and self-important BRAT!
If he had the rocks to step up and be honest - came froward or simply declaring that he was a C. O. and could no longer accept supporting the war, wheather you agree or disagree with the war - you could have respected his position..
But What he did ( and the friend and father ) is not forgivable - I hope they both all time AND have to pay restitution for the search effort.
As for the EX Marine. He should be sent to a boot camp style prison...
Bet the USMC will be happy to have HIM out of The Corp.
November 17, 2008
9:09 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
It's a VOLUNTEER military. If you don't want to follow orders - then don't sign up. A perfect example of the pampered, privileged schoolboys who want to play with guns but don't want to do what they're told.
I was a comm. Sgt. in the 19th Special Forces and I would have to be DEAD before I would abandon my team in the field. This deserter is a disgrace to his country and the Marines.
I'm glad his stupid buddy got stuck with 200 hours and a $30K tab. If there's any justice, Junior here will get 2000 hours and a $100K tab (maybe Dad can serve/pay it for him). People risked their lives trying to find this weakling because they thought there was a Marine in trouble - he should be held accountable.
November 17, 2008
9:14 a.m.
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MTN_Frank writes:
You gotta kind of laugh at people who won't even use their real names in this blog calling a veteran of the Iraq war a coward.
November 17, 2008
9:20 a.m.
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Davek80501 writes:
Law1, you can call me all the names you want.
You said "you never know how you'll react until you are there". Bullpucky! I do know how I would react! If I found out my son staged his own death to desert the Marines, I know I would "NOT" assist him in his crime of desertion, I would turn him in. And I'm sure 99% of fathers out there would do the same.
As far as calling him a coward let's look up the word.
cow⋅ard
–noun
1. a person who lacks courage in facing danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc.
That word seems to fit the situation to me.
November 17, 2008
9:23 a.m.
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PaleoConservative writes:
AC writes:
"Maybe he should have done what Bush did and just go work on a friend's political campaign in another state and forget to go back to duty."
Or do what Clinton did, and go to Moscow.
November 17, 2008
9:38 a.m.
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Hunters_Girl writes:
This story leaves out the fact that Lance's own girlfriend came forward after his disappearance with information re: a scheme to fake his own death, his brother collecting insurance money and funneling it to him...a new identity...
November 17, 2008
9:42 a.m.
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IRUNMAN writes:
You people on this board who have such a hard on for Boulder really have an illness.
You start throwing out the liberal moniker and hate towards Boulder for no good reason. Nowhere in this article does it mention Barack Obama or liberals yet that somehow makes it in some of your postings.
You people are sick.
November 17, 2008
9:46 a.m.
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ifyem writes:
Shaggy writes:
"Typical of Liberals to ignore Laws and stomp on the Constitution when it fits their personal agendas."
Haha!! Typical of Shaggy to assume they are liberals when that is stated NOWHERE in the article. "Rack on" buddy!!
November 17, 2008
9:50 a.m.
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BenchBoss writes:
I don't care if you're from Boulder or Boise, imagine doing the 'right thing', sending him back to Iraq and {possibly} getting killed. Try living with that. Not much honor in losing a son. Family trumps grunts in this case. Lost a close friend in Afghanistan this fall and the look on his father's face at the funeral spoke volumes. He would have done anything too.
November 17, 2008
10:01 a.m.
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Maxx writes:
Every Marine who has worn the uniform and placed himself in harms way has been afraid. You have to understand the nature of the relationship between Marines. Our platoon mates are our brothers. They are family. Most people have no idea of the depth of the loyalty to one another that exists in a Marine combat unit. We would rather die than let them down. Somehow, this kid never developed that. I don't know who's fault it is, but he broke the code that makes a Marine a Marine. May god have mercy on him...because we won't
November 17, 2008
10:02 a.m.
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arvada_mark writes:
Look, the kid was trying to leave the country. I say let him go. In fact, buy the lying deserter a 1 way ticket to Guantánamo Bay. And the man who shaped this lying deserter's life into what it now is, well, I'd like to see this poor excuse for an American in an orange vest picking up trash along HWY 36 for the next couple years. They owe us for more than just the search & rescue efforts. We as taxpayers fed, trained, & clothed his kid for him while he was serving.
November 17, 2008
10:10 a.m.
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BenchBoss writes:
Understood, Maxx. To that end, wouldn't it be better to have this guy hiding out than endangering his fellow Marines in the field?
November 17, 2008
10:16 a.m.
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ron65ron writes:
He signed a contract to be in the military. He took an oath to protect and defend. He reniged on both. He didn't just disappoint his parents, he is a disappointment to his country and his fellow Marines. The father knew what would happen to him if he disserted, which is why they staged everything. Article 15 dishonorable discharge is due and that is what he will get with a few other selected charges from the military and then when his jail time with the military is over, he will have to do civilian jail time. The father is also to blame and needs to face serious charges as well.
November 17, 2008
10:20 a.m.
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anderson writes:
It's amazing all the ugliness and and stupidity that comes out whenever someone does something wrong--as if no one here ever made any mistakes in life--and how that ugliness and desire for retribution is transferred to others (e.g. the town of Boulder) who have nothing whatsoever to do with the incident. Put your hanging ropes away, stop acting like the language of talk radio is the only thing you know, and read a book, for chrissakes.
Marines have a saying: we take care of our own. When this guy goes up for desertion charges, punishment will likely be swift and certain.
November 17, 2008
10:24 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
I'd hate to think some grunt took a bullet in Faluja because he was counting on his buddy Hering to cover him. Only Hering ain't there - he's back in Canada with his girlfriend drinking a Moosehead because he didn't want to get hurt. What are archaic think like "honor" and "duty" these days anyway.
Justice would be to have a disabled Marine spit in his face every Veteran's Day for the rest of his life. Actually, I take that back.. he doesn't deserve to stand face to face with someone who honorably served his country. Let him pay his fine and slink off somewhere.
November 17, 2008
10:25 a.m.
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UNV_ME writes:
To call this kid a coward is to admit you have no idea of what it's like to be a veteran, to have seen the face of war. This kid and his family may have gone about it the wrong way... but you can't blame them for trying to protect their son.... but apparently some of you can.
November 17, 2008
10:33 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
anderson writes: "It's amazing all the ugliness and and stupidity that comes out whenever someone does something wrong--as if no one here ever made any mistakes in life--"
anderson - a mistake is forgetting to carry the "1" on your math test. This guy abandoned his comrades in the field to save his own skin. Do you think they were any less scared than he was?
Not everybody has a millionaire daddy back home to set you up in Vancouver for the duration. Don't fret. I'm sure Dad will get a big, fancy lawyer and Junior will get off much lighter than he deserves. He'll wind up being a "hero" to the anti-war crowd in no time.
November 17, 2008
10:48 a.m.
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bigjking69 writes:
This guy is a disgrace to those who have ever served. This story of witnessing a murder is probably just as bogus as his disappearance story. The guy is a liar, and no quarter should be given to him. He is not the only one who has seen horrable things in combat. That doesn't make it right. He signed a contract willingly. And as Marines we know that we will probably be involved in some sort of a conflict, not to mention we know between right and wrong. We are held to higher standards than any other civilian or military organization. Enough with the ignorance, he belongs in the brig.
November 17, 2008
11:13 a.m.
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jay writes:
i would have done the same thing if i were in the father's position.
i would also protect my children from ever serving in a war like iraq.
afghanistan is another matter altogether.
November 17, 2008
11:32 a.m.
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anderson writes:
One of the likely consequences of his actions is that he will, for the rest of his life, have a DD214 in his back pocket that says "dishonorable" or "bad conduct" discharge. Try to get a position of responsiblility with that.
November 17, 2008
11:39 a.m.
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JustaMom writes:
As a parent of a Marine who served in both Afghanistan and Iraq, I can understand why this young man's parents did what they did. The terror you feel when you know your son or daughter is in a war zone is something I never wanted to experience. Every time I would drive down my street, coming home from work and see a strange van or car near my house I was paralyzed with fear.
My son, who is home now and in college, and I discussed this article this morning. He said, "If I did that, you wouldn't turn me in, would you?" I said, "No, I wouldn't turn you in, but then I can't imagine you doing something like that. That's not how you were raised and that's not what you were taught as a Marine."
He said, "I couldn't imagine letting my unit go off without me while I hid at home. There were lots of guys who were afraid. One guy in our unit hid in a mechanical room at the dam for three weeks and we thought he had been kidnapped or something but he was hiding because he was afraid he would get killed on patrol."
This young man, for whatever reason, has disgraced himself, his family and his country. But, just like the rest of us, he is the one who will have to live with the consequences of his actions, whatever that might be, whether it's prison or something else. He'll be known forever as a deserter, a chicken (paraphrasing my son).
November 17, 2008
11:43 a.m.
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jagerheister27 writes:
well, if you don't want to go to war, join the peace corps or red cross. If you don't want to kill or be killed, definitely don't join the marines. That's their job description if I remember correctly. This marine made a commitment, and no matter what anyone says he knows he was signing up for THE MILITARY.
November 17, 2008
11:50 a.m.
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cassidy22 writes:
The truth of the matter is that NONE of you know the whole story. You all assume he is a coward, and that his dad helped the whole thing.
I actually know that his family, until now, had NO idea where he was and imagine not knowing where your son has been for 2 years?
You also don't know what made him decide to do this. It isn't every day that a Marine deserts his unit. You have NO idea what he has been through. Consider the numerous suicides of veterans returning from Iraq and recognize that the media does NOT tell us all that is going on. For all we know, he had knowledge of things he could not justify and was trying to PROTECT his brothers by keeping quiet. None of you know ANYTHING about his situation to judge him or his father. Yeah, he's in deep trouble, but it isn't YOUR place to judge him.
November 17, 2008
12:01 p.m.
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jay writes:
"This marine made a commitment, and no matter what anyone says he knows he was signing up for THE MILITARY."
no one signs up to needlessly invade a country.
commitments must be honored by all involved parties.
November 17, 2008
12:07 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
I would have had more (not much more) respect for him if he had refused to be depolyed and reported to his unit to face the consequences. He probably would have gotten off with a "less than honorable" discharge and been done with it.
This lame "fell off a mountain" hustle with his stupid sidekick buddy just make an already bad situation inexcusable. Besides his buddies waiting on him back in Iraq, how many people put their lives on hold and were out there scouring the woods for him? I find it difficult to believe he could have carried this off for as long as he did without his parents help.
Give him a "dishonorable" discharge, let Boulder County sue him for the search/rescue effort and be done with it. He's the one who has to look himself in the mirror for the rest of his life.
November 17, 2008
12:13 p.m.
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Garip writes:
"At the time he admitted to making up the story about Lance Hering's disappearance, Powers said his friend had WITNESSED A HOMOCIDE COMMITTED BY HIS FELLOW MARINES in Iraq and worried that if he returned he might be killed."
It is obvious that most of you seem to have overlooked this part of the article. So far, that is all the information we have. Wherever it leads, we are not there yet. But, it does indicate that the Marines with whom he was working were a bit like rogues. They, not he, are the ones who are dishonoring the Marine Corp. They, not he, seem to not understand the meaning of Semper Fidelis.
ew RAH.
November 17, 2008
12:14 p.m.
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leatherneck writes:
jagerheister27: You have no clue about being a Marine or what Jobs Marines take on. You shouldn't spot off what you think you know. ANYTIME ANYWHERE means Marines are ready to go into any LZ to do any job the President want them to do. Yes being in harms way and killing the enemy may be part of the job. I was also on a few humanitarian relief operations, such as Op Sea Angel. Helping people was a great part of the job, so please have care when you discribe the job description of a Marine.
I definitly don't condone what he did, but maybe that Marine just lost faith, mybe he was suffering from PTSD, or maybe he was sick seeing a brother fall. He just did not use the Chain as he should of. There is plenty of help and programs for men/woman like him. Unfortunately he made a poor choice and couldn't keep the Faith and now he will pay for his actions.
November 17, 2008
12:21 p.m.
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jagerheister27 writes:
"This marine made a commitment, and no matter what anyone says he knows he was signing up for THE MILITARY."
no one signs up to needlessly invade a country.
commitments must be honored by all involved parties.
Needlessly? Here is the news that the media doesn't report- wmd material was found in Iraq.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/...
November 17, 2008
12:30 p.m.
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jagerheister27 writes:
Letherneck, you are right, I'm not a Marine and that could have been a bad assumption, however I do have plenty of family who have served in every branch of the military (yes, even the coast guard :) So my words may have been a bit harsh, but the reality is, when you signed up you know what the Military was. You knew it wasn't just a humanitarian group.
November 17, 2008
12:33 p.m.
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Garip writes:
Jagerheister27: you are exactly the type of poster to whom my comment was directed. You clearly didn't read the entire article, or you didn't understand all that you read. So, I post it again and hope you get it this time.
"At the time he admitted to making up the story about Lance Hering's disappearance, Powers said his friend had WITNESSED A HOMOCIDE COMMITTED BY HIS FELLOW MARINES in Iraq and worried that if he returned he might be killed."
It is obvious that most of you seem to have overlooked this part of the article. So far, that is all the information we have. Wherever it leads, we are not there yet. But, it does indicate that the Marines with whom he was working were a bit like rogues. They, not he, are the ones who are dishonoring the Marine Corp. They, not he, seem to not understand the meaning of Semper Fidelis.
ew RAH.
November 17, 2008
12:35 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
Garip...does this coward have any crdibility with you at all? He lied! He is a liar coward, nothing more. The "homocide" is a made up story to cover his cowardice, nothing more.
November 17, 2008
12:45 p.m.
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leatherneck writes:
jagerheister27: I agree, when you signe up for the military especially nowadays, you know what your getting into. I also agree you have a really good idea of what your job will be if you join the Marine Corp. I may have taken your words out of context.
November 17, 2008
12:48 p.m.
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DC82 writes:
Garip: If it is true that Hering witnessed a murder by fellow Marines, which is highly doubtful considering his history of lies, he still did not need to make up a story about an accident, waste tax payers time and money in a search for him, and become a deserter. He should have reported the alleged murder incident to the proper Military authorities. It seems that in any situation he encounters, Hering is not capable of doing the right thing.
Furthermore, he was not forced into fighting unwillingly, or drafted. He volunteered for the Marines. Fighting a war is always a possibility and he volunteered during a time of war, so there was NO question that he would have to serve in Iraq. I'm sure he experienced awful things in Iraq, but he should have thought about that before he signed on the dotted line.
November 17, 2008
12:51 p.m.
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jagerheister27 writes:
Garip-every one of our brave soldiers fears they will be killed when they go back. He's not alone on this one. Many soldiers have seen horrific things from what I've read. Instead of fabricating his death he could have taken these issues to the proper authorities within the military, now, i'm not exactly sure how their processes work, but i'm sure someone would have listened. Instead, he lost all credibility to anything he's said by fabricating his own disapearance. wow, not bad for someone who never blogs, this is like 4 messages on 1 story.
November 17, 2008
12:51 p.m.
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leatherneck writes:
Garip: Do you think that the story was true?? the "HOMOCIDE COMMITTED BY HIS FELLOW MARINES" in Iraq and worried that if he returned he might be killed."
November 17, 2008
12:53 p.m.
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leatherneck writes:
sheepherder: I find it hard to believe also???
November 17, 2008
12:57 p.m.
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leatherneck writes:
jagerheister27: Agree again........He could of also put in for a transfer.... asked for a different MOS... a lot of options really
November 17, 2008
12:58 p.m.
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psu96 writes:
Bush lied as well, does the same logic apply or only when is relates to your needs...
November 17, 2008
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leatherneck writes:
psu96: What......?? Please stay on topic...
November 17, 2008
1:08 p.m.
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HankReardon writes:
"Powers said his friend had witnessed a homicide committed by his fellow Marines in Iraq and worried that if he returned he might be killed."
Um, I think that means Hering feared being killed by one of his own men. Friendly fire. Not the enemy. War is hell, my friends.
November 17, 2008
1:14 p.m.
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Garip writes:
leatherneck writes:
jagerheister27: Agree again........He could of also put in for a transfer.... asked for a different MOS... a lot of options really
(side note: could HAVE not 'could of'.)
You don't really understand the military if you think he had a lot of options. It isn't like putting in for a transfer from the front cashier position to the drive up window at your local wendy's. It is a lot more complicated than that and, if his CO knew about the homocide (it is POSSIBLE) then, yes, his life would have (not 'of') been in danger and the smartest course of action would be to get the hell out of there. He, it seems was deserted by his fellow marines when they went past the point of duty and decided to be executioners. It HAS happened folks. Whether it has happened here, WE don't KNOW. We must wait and see. You guys, sitting in your comfy chairs don't really know what happened. You are speculating. I don't either, but I'm willing to give the guy the opportunity to tell his side before condemning him to the pile of poop on which you seem to want to place him.
November 17, 2008
1:20 p.m.
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Mr_Bill writes:
Nobody has mentioned the article also states this:
Lance Hering is being held in Port Angeles, near the Canadian border, on a warrant out of Boulder County for contempt of court for an unrelated burglary charge.
I don't know if this means he was charged with burglary or not, but he does not seem like an upstanding young man in any case.
November 17, 2008
1:26 p.m.
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leatherneck writes:
Garip: He had options, and if you think he didn't....I question your understanding of the military.....No it wouldn't happen right away. I never said that it would. But if the story his "friend" said was true about him being a witness to a homicide committed by his fellow Marine. Then the C.O. would have known all about it!! And he would have been taken care of.
November 17, 2008
1:39 p.m.
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leatherneck writes:
"He, it seems was deserted by his fellow marines when they went past the point of duty and decided to be executioners. It HAS happened"
Maybe.......but not likely.....Now I really question your comments
November 17, 2008
1:42 p.m.
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leatherneck writes:
Garip: Year, Unit, MOS?
it's OooRah not ew RAH.
November 17, 2008
1:48 p.m.
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Denver7 writes:
Put him in the same hole with Garwood and throw away the key. Not quite the same crime but put him there anyway. Or just turn him over to his former friends.
I'm sure the war was already well under way when this guy joined so he can't say he didn't know he might have to go to war. Maybe he was one of the weekend warriors that went in for the school money and never intened to every have to really serve. Anybody know what him MOS was? Was he an 03xx?
Maybe Jay has a spot for him on his radio show. He could just do a little community service there and call it good.
November 17, 2008
1:51 p.m.
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leatherneck writes:
Garip????
November 17, 2008
2:01 p.m.
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GunnyBob writes:
Garip:
You are a fraud and don't even know how to spell Marine Corps. You were never in the Corps. You are one of many pretenders.
Chump.
November 17, 2008
2:07 p.m.
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anderson writes:
The homicide story sounds suspect on its face, but Garip's argument is pretty simple and on point: you don't know all the facts, and its premature to condemn the guy. As I suggested earlier, the Marines will likely get to the facts, and mete out punishment as appropriate. Finally, let's take note, with all this speculation about war and what happened, that the military has always had deserters, even in peace time.
November 17, 2008
2:10 p.m.
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SPUD writes:
His Lawyer is quoted in the BOULDER CAMERA as saying, "he was ready to turn himself in to authorities".
Add that to the other three biggest fallacies.
I'll love you in the morning, the way I love you tonight!
I am from the government and I here to help you!
A lawyer never lies!
November 17, 2008
2:15 p.m.
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anderson writes:
Gunny Bob, you are one of the biggest frauds I know--trading in lies, deception, and misinformation on your radio show, including your implicit bs that you represent the views of Marines. You don't. You're just another low-life huckster on the radio. Oh, and you have no idea whether Garip was in the Marines (which he didn't say) much less the service, but it's like you to make something up in order to cut someone down.
November 17, 2008
2:43 p.m.
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Denver7 writes:
first to fight for right and freedom, then to keep our honor clean............. obvioulsy that doesn't mean anything to Hering.
November 17, 2008
2:51 p.m.
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Denver7 writes:
fighting extradition sounds a lot "I was just getting ready to turn myself in."
November 17, 2008
2:53 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Isn't every criminal "just about to turn himself in" right before they are busted? What's next? His lawyer asking for bail? I'm sure that's why the plane was fueled on the runway and ready to go, right before they caught him.
This just puts to rest the lame excuse that he "witnessed a homicide and didn't want to go back". There's zero chance of him going back now anyway, so why fight extradition?
anderson - allow me to enlighten you. During war, you're a "deserter". During peacetime, you're "AWOL". There are no deserters in peacetime. You should have asked GunnyBob to straighten you out on that, if you can get past his "lies and deception".
Was the lawyer hiding in the baggage compartment of the airplane? Good! I hope the lawyer costs Mom and Dad a pretty penny on top of what Boulder County is going to sue him for. So far, sounds like Mom and Dad have raised a thief, liar and deserter - all by 23! They should be proud!
November 17, 2008
2:53 p.m.
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elkman writes:
BiotchMAMA
I agree completely. Just a fast talking lawyer trying to make his client look better than he is. It will be interesting to see when the father found out about all this. And what about the mother? Did she know? I cannot believe that the son and father kept this from her. And now the son is fighting extradition. Still cannot keep from being a .........
November 17, 2008
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SlouchingTowardBoulder writes:
""When arrested, Lance was on the last leg of his long and lonely journey as a fugitive," attorney Alex Garlin told the Boulder Daily Camera. "He was just days short of his planned voluntary surrender. He knew what he had to do and was in the process of doing it."
Rigggghhhhhtttt ... Alex.
I don't know why Coloraodo would fight to try him first; allow someone else the privilege of using taxpayer dollars to house him.
November 17, 2008
3:07 p.m.
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HSTOWEL writes:
"Hering's attorney said his client was about to turn himself over to authorities before his arrest in Washington state Sunday"
Isn't that what they all say when law enforcement catches them? If so then why the need for the plane?
This coward should have been fighting with his fellow marines instead of fighting extradition.
November 17, 2008
3:14 p.m.
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anderson writes:
Cowboy, reign in your smug enlightenment a little. A deserter is a deserter, peacetime or otherwise. See the accompanying story for the distinction between deserter and unathorized absence (UA)--30 days. Also, for your edification, Marines don't use AWOL to describe those who doesn't show up for duty (even though everyone knows what that means). They use the acronym UA instead.
November 17, 2008
3:16 p.m.
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Duckster writes:
Yep. His dad had just flown out from Boulder and rented a plane so that he could fly Lance over to Canada...but just to sight-see, because he was going to turn himself in, not stay in Canada or anything. And yeah, when someone like this says that he saw real Marines commit a homicide... The only one who would believe such a slanderous lie is Democratic Congressman John Murtha.
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November 17, 2008
3:29 p.m.
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bigjking69 writes:
Its never anyone else's fault anymore. Instead of taking responsibility for his own actions I see blogers blaming the Marine Corps, Pres. Bush, the Iraq War, etc...... He made a decision, he needs to man up and take it. Responsibility is not something you do sometimes. Quit making excuses for him. It's his fault no one else's. Its great to see the fabic of America is coming apart, due to the fact resposibility is tossed out the window.
November 17, 2008
3:36 p.m.
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Willy writes:
Duckster - why would the father rent a plane to take the kid to Canada when it is only about a $20 ferry ride from Port Angeles to Victoria? I think there is much more to be learned.
November 17, 2008
3:52 p.m.
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Denver7 writes:
I don't know why I'd think it, but were there parachutes in the plane?
November 17, 2008
4:02 p.m.
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anderson writes:
Argh, look at his hair. He looks like a girl. He'd be advised to cut it before they take him back to Camp Pendleton.
November 17, 2008
4:04 p.m.
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Denver7 writes:
Maybe leave his hair like that. His new room mate might really like that.
November 17, 2008
4:11 p.m.
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hillbillygoth writes:
well, the Boulder cops have cracked a major criminal syndicate here, LOL.
November 17, 2008
4:16 p.m.
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pete10000ft writes:
The war stinks and Bush never should've got us into it ..BUT I think he should be prosecuted hands down. He signed up and now he has to fulfill his obligation. No one put a gun to his head to enlist. If you sign up you do your duty regadless of your personal opinions. What is the saying? "Mine is not to reason why..."
People's lives (and I bet more than one of those people didn't want to go as well) were depending on him. Truly a selfish act IMHO.
November 17, 2008
4:19 p.m.
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leatherneck writes:
anderson: It is UA and not AWOL, that is heavy charges in USMC haven't heard anyone say it right on here but you. You seem to know a lot about the Marine Corps, but he won't be going back to Camp Pendleton....He could only wish he was now....I am not sure what issue you have with the Gunny Bob, I have listened to him in the past, but not for a long time??
November 17, 2008
4:22 p.m.
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Denver7 writes:
They are trying to avoid being charged with desertion by claiming that he intended to return on his own.
The primary difference between the two offenses is "intent to remain away permanently." If one intends to return to "military control," one is guilty of "AWOL," under Article 86, not Desertion, under Article 85, even if they were away for ten years. The confusion derives from the fact that, if a member is absent without authority for longer than 30 days, the government (court-martial) is allowed to assume there was no intent to return. Therefore, the burden of proof that the accused intended to someday return to "military control" lies with the defense.
November 17, 2008
4:23 p.m.
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History writes:
I am against this war and do not want to see another person die in it, on either side. With that said I think this kid should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If this kid wanted to refuse to fulfill his service requirements then I respect that as an act of civil disobediance, but as an act of civil disobediance he should have stood up and accepted his punishment. That is the point of civil disobediance, if you beleive something to be unjust, then resist it, but accept your punishment, in the case of Ghandi or MLK martyr yourself if need be
November 17, 2008
4:27 p.m.
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Denver7 writes:
You can call it unauthorized abcense or absent without leave. It doesn't really matter. They are one in the same and they both fall under article 86 of the UCMJ.
November 17, 2008
4:29 p.m.
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purplewolf writes:
Is this the guy who lied to a nation to start a war? I hope they impeach him, at least,,oh wait wrong article,,nevermind.
November 17, 2008
4:35 p.m.
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anderson writes:
leatherneck, I was in the Marine Corps and that's how I know what I do. The first time I encountered "Gunny" Bob on one of these threads, he did the same thing he did to Garip here and questioned my service, even though he knows nothing about me. The other story on LCpl Hering (Who gets him first), says he may be going to Camp Pendleton. Apparently, he was in the 1stMarDiv. Denver7's comment reminded me that one of the punishments they used to give in my day (but rarely it seems) was busting rocks. I imagine that's still one of the punishments that could come from a court martial.
November 17, 2008
4:38 p.m.
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Denver7 writes:
Anderson - have you ever seen anything that says what his MOS was?
November 17, 2008
4:41 p.m.
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johnson writes:
"WordNet - Dictionary
HOMICIDE:
noun
the killing of a human being by another human being"
He witnessed a homicide. Um, ain't homicide what war's all about?
November 17, 2008
4:47 p.m.
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TheCaptain writes:
Hering took an oath to God, America, himself, and the Marine Corps when he volunteered. He disgraced the Marine Corps core values of Honor Courage and Commitment when he deserted and became a traitor. He disrespected all the men and women who have ever honorably and proudly worn the uniform, not to mention the ones who died wearing it. Furthermore, he disrespected American Citizens in general. Yes, this means you RMN reader. As far as the notion, ‘he did his time go easy on him’ goes: Screw that! Boo-hoo. He took an oath and voluntarily decided to hold himself to the mantel of professionalism and the Warrior Ethos the Marine Corps demands. We don’t always want to do what we have to do in the Marines, but we just do it. 99% of Marines couldn’t imagine betraying the rest of their unit for selfish reasons. My brother did 3 tours and I know other guys who have done 4. Now because I am not a brainwashed drone and do have humanitarian emotions I can understand Herings apprehensions and fears. Furthermore, I am a Father and would understand a Father doing anything for his son. However, those apprehensions and fears dissolve in light of the oath and commitment you voluntarily make to God, America, and your fellow Marines. My Father instilled a sense of being held accountable for your decisions and judgments just as I will do my best to instill that in my son. Semper Fidelis means always faithful. Not faithful to what is self serving and easy; something liberal mush-brains never understand. Semper Fi Marines!
November 17, 2008
4:54 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
For a guy who is supposed to be so "righteous" - it's funny that nobody in the picture wanted to identify themselves. Sounds like a real upstanding crew he's been hanging out with.
Leave him in Washington to deal with the desertion charges. Once he's paid that price, bring him back here to face the theft probation issue. Keep this kid and his dad in and out of a courthouse (and paying lawyers) for the next 5 years. That's a more appropriate punishment than serving any time. Any time he would serve would just make him a martyr to the anti-military crowd. Hit him in the wallet - that's all these selfish kids understand.
I've never thought less of anyone for choosing not to serve in the military. It's voluntary and not for everyone. I am against a draft and I'm glad I didn't have to serve next to someone who didn't want to be there. This is a free country! Nobody twists your arm to enlist, but once you do - you have an obligation outside yourself and you are held to a higher standard of conduct.
This isn't just some guy who wanted out of his cell phone contract. This is a guy who CHOSE to save his own hide at the peril of his buddies who were just as scared as he was and hold their lives just as precious. On top of that betrayal - he concocted a scam that put dozens of others lives at risk as well. On top of those CHOICES, now he doesn't want to return and face the music like a man. Shame.
November 17, 2008
4:56 p.m.
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anderson writes:
Denver7, no I haven't seen anything about his MOS. Since he was in Division, and in Iraq, my first guess is he is a grunt, but I don't know. I did just notice in one of the prior stories, that he had a prior conviction (2004) for attempted burglary--which makes you wonder how he got in in the first place. But I guess the admission standards change depending on the time. When I first enlisted, my recruiter drove me and another guy to the City for the physical and induction. The other guy had been given the classic ultimatum from a judge, enlist or go to jail (I never did ask him what he did).
November 17, 2008
5:09 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Rather than doing a pre-flight on the Cessna - his father should have told him to "really" turn himself in at the nearest military institution. He never faced the possibility of a firing squad and would probably have served a short sentence and gotten a "less than honorable" discharge. Not fun, but do-able. Most importantly - he would have accepted responsibility for his choices, paid his price and would have begun the slow climb back up the hill toward a semblance of an honorable life.
Rather than sneaking his deserter son out of the country - his father would have been doing him a better service by convincing him to begin reclaiming the "pair" he left behind at the canyon he was supposedly lost in. I guess the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
I have three sons and the code I try to instill in them is simple: "Own your choices like men", not, "Save your hide at all costs".
November 17, 2008
5:11 p.m.
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johnson writes:
I have no sympathy for this guy. He deserted. What were he and his parents thinking when he joined the USMC in time of war? That it was like grown up Boy Scouts? That he wouldn't get sent to Iraq or Afganistan? That he'd be kept Stateside? It's the MARINE CORPS! The Few, the Proud.The first to go. He let down the Corps, and the people of America who count on the Armed Services for their protection. Semper Fi
November 17, 2008
5:47 p.m.
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ou8one2 writes:
The best punishment for this coward? Put him on the front line in Iraq, without any body armour or weapons, and let him wave a boulder peace flag. Then sit back and see how long he lasts.
I am sure this coward will be demanding all of his constitutional rights for which so many brave men and women have died.
November 17, 2008
5:49 p.m.
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bushmaster writes:
the cult of hussein obama will take him in. I'm sure they're looking for a high ranking position for him right now.
November 17, 2008
6:57 p.m.
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MayanCalendar_2012 writes:
I'm sure he would have a lot of sympathizers (not here), if it weren't for the burglary charge. He's just another criminal with huge problems. Maybe its still better than being in Iraq, I wouldn't know.
November 17, 2008
7:39 p.m.
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GunnyBob writes:
Someone on this thread sure thinks he knows a lot about the Corps, but in reality, the Corps has always used AWOL to describe an absent Marine who has been gone without permission for at least 30 days, after which he is declared a deserter and dropped from the unit's roster when it is believed he has no intention of returning on his own. Under 30 gone is UA. As a former company Gunny, I assure you this is the case because I had to occasionally deal with UAs and deserters.
Beware those who claim to have been in the Corps and offer no evidence to support the claim and who instead conduct themselves as Internet snipers firing from the safety of the fetid cyber lair at those with whom they have a difference of political opinion.
Oh, and this jellyfish clearly needs a barber.
November 17, 2008
8:32 p.m.
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MayanCalendar_2012 writes:
Are you the real Gunny Bob?
November 17, 2008
8:42 p.m.
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whatutalkinbout writes:
Honestly, I've never met a Marine with a brain cell in their head. This guy's no different.
November 17, 2008
9:26 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
whatutalkinbout writes: "Honestly, I've never met a Marine with a brain cell in their head. This guy's no different."
Does that also include the Marines (and Soldiers, and Sailors, and Airmen) who are dying for you a long way from home tonight?
November 17, 2008
10:12 p.m.
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skeptical writes:
This little girly-man is a perfect candidate for a position somewhere in Obama's administration.
Whatutalkinbout, you have no idea what you're talking about.
November 17, 2008
10:36 p.m.
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whatutalkinbout writes:
I'm in the military. I've seen more Marines get shot throwing caution to the wind and trying to play Rambo than I can even count. And most I know back home are in jail now for not being able to control their rage in a civilian setting. Or just for sheer stupidity. It just seems to be a very common mentality with that particular branch.
November 18, 2008
1:15 a.m.
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hakon writes:
Well, I don't like anyone telling me what to do, and I deplore violence, fighting, bullying and war in general. Therefore I managed to avoid the whole issue by simply not signing up. Nor would I. We'll never change if we just keep manufacturing and selling weapons and promoting fighting (boxing) competition (as opposed to cooperation) and violence (movies, media, video games literature and popular culture).
I can sympathize with his motivation (or rather, lack thereof), but the whole thing is regrettable. The war was essentially a concoction (if not an outright scam and deception) and has wasted billions of dollars as well as many lives.
"For he who fights and runs away
May live to fight another day;
But he who is in battle slain
Can never rise and fight again."
(Oliver Goldsmith "The Art of Poetry on a New Plan" )
"Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait till their judgment day comes, yeah!"
(Black Sabbath "War Pigs")
Arms and weaponry are a multimillion dollar industry. Don't be fooled.
November 18, 2008
4:31 a.m.
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skeptical writes:
What------------
You're hangin' with the wrong group.
Most Marines, most service men/women are solid citizens.
November 18, 2008
6:44 a.m.
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Davek80501 writes:
goldenratio, I listen to Gunny Bob almost everyday he is on air, I have also read a couple of his books (not the fly fishing one's)and by the way the posts here are worded I'm willing to bet that it is the Real Gunny Bob.
Gunny Bob, thank you for your service and all you have given up for our country, may God bless you and your family.
November 18, 2008
6:50 a.m.
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peter303 writes:
I wish the Rocky Mountain News would cease using the word "Marine" to describe this criminal. A true Marine has no hesitation in giving his life for his fellows and country should the situation require it. Neither the Corp or this fellow would consider this term valid any more.
November 18, 2008
7:04 a.m.
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elkman writes:
Most everyone who is in tune with things knows who Gunny Bob is from his radio station. All the rest of the people "posting" out here are invisible. No one knows a thing about them. They could be cowards or heros. No one knows. Keep up the good work Gunny Bob.
November 18, 2008
7:52 a.m.
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vendari01 writes:
Sorry, Peter, as much as it is annoying to read, this individual joined the Marines, and thus is a Marine until discharged. That is why he is referred to as one. And Gunny, I am not A Marine, nor would I try to seem to be. I have worked with Marine Air personnel a number of times, however, and have enjoyed the experience. I found much to admire in most, especially in the upper enlisted ranks, who were more willing to trade knowledge and experience with a career 'wing wiper'. It was from them that I learned the Marine belief in keeping the faith with country, Corps, and one's fellow Marines. This young man appears to have failed to remember that, or he'd not have kept running. He'd have found a way to level charges against those he alleges to have commited murder, as a service to Corps and country.
November 18, 2008
7:52 a.m.
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johnson writes:
Pretty smug looking in that booking photo. Must know Daddy's gonna buy his way out.
November 18, 2008
9:08 a.m.
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HSTOWEL writes:
whatutalkinbout writes:
I'm in the military. I've seen more Marines get shot throwing caution to the wind and trying to play Rambo than I can even count. And most I know back home are in jail now for not being able to control their rage in a civilian setting. Or just for sheer stupidity. It just seems to be a very common mentality with that particular branch.
Are you serious? Your post clearly reveals your level of intelligence. The Marine Corps is a professional military organization just like the other services. No doubt you are a clown that has never served in any of them.
November 18, 2008
9:20 a.m.
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rapelje writes:
If this piece of human trash was coming back to face the music as the attorney says, then why is he fighting extradition???? This coward's actions have been to to only lie and hide for the last few years and his parents have assisted him, and when he has the chance to prove people wrong he takes the cowardly way out, one more time. There is NOTHING honorable that this man has taught his son by helping him to be a deserter and a coward (there is no way that I will believe that the family DIDN'T know what was going on) as to this day they continue to try to protect him from his responsibilities instead of telling him to stand up to them. Actions speak louder than words, and all of this families actions have been cowardly like their sons.
November 18, 2008
9:21 a.m.
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ColoNative writes:
Cowboy63: AWOL begins immediately upon detection. At day 31, they are declared to be a deserter. This is true in war or peace. Missing a troup movement is also chargeable under UCMJ. Down range, the laws are a little different. Running away from a conflict is legally identified as cowardice, and can be considered a capitol offense.
If a person wants to claim CO status, it is the commander's choice to take the person down range or leave them. This is done under the advisement of the JAG and Chaplain's office. However, once the claim is made by the mil