Rule letting dogs on cafe patios has tails wagging
By Melanie Asmar, Special to the Rocky
Published November 3, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.
Photo by Brian Lehmann / The Rocky
Susan Moon sits with Tango, her German shepherd, as Olivia, a Maltese and Yorkie mix, jumps at Starbucks at Second Avenue and Fillmore Street in Denver. Restaurants across Denver can apply for a permit through the Board of Environmental Health to allow customers to bring dogs onto their patios.
Photo by Brian Lehmann / The Rocky
Cady, a boxer, drinks water from a cup at Starbucks in the Cherry Creek shopping district. It's among many coffee shops and eateries that allow dogs on their patios.
On a recent sunny afternoon, Susan Crowley sat at the Peaberry Coffee shop in Cherry Creek North, sipping a pumpkin spice latte. Her companion, Doug Flutie, drank water from a bowl on the ground. They split a shortbread biscuit.
The Peaberry is one of 26 Denver eateries taking advantage of a year-old city regulation that allows dogs on cafe patios. The Denver Department of Environmental Health, which enforces the regulation, says it's been a success with few, er, accidents. Eatery owners and dog-loving patrons agree.
"I do everything with my dog," Crowley said.
Since Peaberry began allowing dogs a year ago, Crowley said she's stopped by the shop more often, usually with a novel and Doug, her adopted Shih Tzu who shares a name with a famous ex-quarterback.
In October 2007, the Board of Environmental Health revised the regulation that bans animals from restaurants in response to a request from Peaberry. Dogs are now allowed on patios as long as eateries follow certain rules.
Eatery owners must post signs letting patrons know their patio is dog-friendly. Table service isn't allowed on dog-friendly patios and wait staff can't pet the dogs while working. Dogs have to be on leashes. And the restaurant must have cleaning supplies handy should a dog make a mess.
Dog-friendly cafe owners said they don't mind complying with the rules. In fact, some said they were doing so before the regulation was revised. Many already allowed dogs on their patios, unaware it was against the health code.
But cafe owners whose eateries have the distinction said they're glad they do. In areas where lots of people own pets, such as Capitol Hill and Cherry Creek, it's been a boost for business, especially in the summer.
"A lot of my customers are walking their dogs and then come in and get a coffee and continue to walk," said Vince Verdecchio, who owns a Dazbog coffee shop on East Ninth Avenue and always keeps dog biscuits on hand.
Bob McDonald, program manager for the city's Public Health Inspection Division, said he's received two complaints about dogs on patios since the regulation was revised, but both were unfounded.
Cafe owners also report no problems - except for an occasional bark or two.
"We're set up for any accidents, but we've never had one," said Becky Conda, who owns the Lancer Lounge on East Seventh Avenue. " . . . Some of our dogs are better than some of our people on the patio."
November 3, 2008
7:15 a.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
DOG MEAT IN DENVER?
Aside from this story, which is very cute (myself being a dog owner/lover) and something I might take advantage of myself soon, I found something that disturbed me very much yesturday.
I was letting some kids pet my dogs, a rotty and a mutt mix, yesturday afternoon and I was talking to them about dogs. One of them, a kid maybe about 7 or 8 years old said he used to have a dog but that his dad 'took my big dog to a chinese man, and my brother said the chinese man killed my big dog.'
I was shocked and asked what he ment? A vet? A doggie doctor? He said 'no, the chinese man killed my dog, my brother said the chinese man killed my dog. the chinese man ate my big dog, my brother said.''
I swear to god, I'm not making this up. This is very very disturbing to me. Is this something that is going on in Denver? This is America, Not China, Korea, or any other nation that eats dogs. I found this very appalling but the young boy was unable to recall where it was at, just that he was 'sleeping in the truck when the chinese man killed my dog."
Is anyone else here aware of this? I intend to research this further and I pray to god this is not true. The oriental cultures don't just eat dogs, they intentionally cause as much agony as possible before the slaughter under the belief it brings 'better tasting meat.'
Please, if anyone is aware of this can you contact me?
i1941g@aol.com
Subject line it 'dog meat' or something related to that so I do not accidently delete it as spam.
Thank you.
I.
November 3, 2008
7:32 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
NotYurFriend, I know of a woman who feeds feral/stray cats, and tries to get them shots/spayed, and so on. She told me that she is constantly trying to keep these very cats from being stolen by an Asian woman who owns a restaurant.
Now, I know some very nice Asian restaurant owners who I seriously doubt would ever do such a thing, so I don't want to start a panic. But yes, I absolutely believe many others engage in the practice of what you're describing.
They may also lurk on sites like Craigslist where they can get free pets from careless owners who don't bother to do any kind of check on the people who show up to take their animals.
November 3, 2008
7:48 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
MyFriend,
The big brother probably told him that to make him cry. You know how those big brothers can be!
November 3, 2008
7:59 a.m.
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Bagel writes:
Exactly Heidi, that's definitely something my older brothers would have said to me when I was younger just to be mean. I wouldn't say a 7 or 8 year old is the most reliable source of information either.
November 3, 2008
7:59 a.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
Heidi,
I strongely doubt that. I find the very concept of the dog meat dispecable and evil. It's only a short distance from cannabalizing human flesh to myself, and prabably many others.
As for why I doubt that....I also asked his sister who was there and she nodded and said the same thing. I found this very disturbing. Especially as the dogs are likely tortured many cruel and evil ways before they are mercilessly slaughtered.
My_Two,
I am going to look into this. If this is happening it should be animal cruelty at the very least. The masses of America would not stand for this.
Thank you for your input.
I.
November 3, 2008
8:01 a.m.
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Dick_Tater writes:
NUF,
You buy into the stereotype and spew prejudice based on the words of a 7 year old. Pathetic.
November 3, 2008
8:02 a.m.
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toocool writes:
Wait 'till the Pit-Bulls show up for a munchie...Cherry Creek
November 3, 2008
8:09 a.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
Dick_Tator,
I am checking into it, not taking the children at face value.
Also, unless your ignorant or happily indifferant to the subject, it's not stereotyping. If you're uneducated on the subject I'd suggested perhaps researching my 'stereo' typing. Stereo typing is assuming every Mexican or lightly brown skinned individual living in the country is illegal. Or that every pastor or priest is a child molester.
That would be stereotyping. I have many Korean friends who own dogs. I'm seeing rather or not this might be happening in my city, in this country.
Sorry that your upset with that, but I really don't care.
Have a good day.
I.
November 3, 2008
8:11 a.m.
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Bagel writes:
"Especially as the dogs are likely tortured many cruel and evil ways before they are mercilessly slaughtered."
Good gravy, what do you base this on? Assuming that this actually happened (which I don't believe at all), why would you assume the dogs were tortured? Do we torture cows before we slaughter them to eat? Are asians just evil according to you?
November 3, 2008
8:12 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
"The oriental cultures don't just eat dogs, they intentionally cause as much agony as possible before the slaughter under the belief it brings 'better tasting meat.'"
I've never heard that. How do you know that? I hate the thought of anyone doing that to my cats.
November 3, 2008
8:17 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
"Good gravy, what do you base this on?" Are you saying that the gravy would taste better as well?
Sick joke, I know. The torture of any animal is horrible.
November 3, 2008
8:19 a.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
Everyone:
Review dog meat in Korea, specifically, matter of slaughter. Prior to killing the dog they believe it is more flavorful to be sure the dog/animal dies in pain. They also believe it can increase sexual performance.
Google it.
I'm rather shocked that so many are not aware? Perhaps it's innocent blindness. Until about a year ago, I myself didn't know that they are intentially tortured, though I do admit I was aware that the Oriental cultures did eat dogs.
I'm not saying they were I'm merely assume they could have been. I should have cleared that one out, sorry.
I.
November 3, 2008
8:21 a.m.
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Shaupeen writes:
Just keep the pooches off that chairs and tables! Seen it a few times, and it's a bit over the line.
November 3, 2008
8:24 a.m.
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Dick_Tater writes:
NUF,
Just look at your story and think.
1) To buy a dog and butcher it would cost more than filet mignon.
2) You can pick up dogs at the pound for cheaper
3) Who in their right mind would give their dog to someone knowing it was going to be butchered and eaten.
4) What parent would tell his children that they did this.
5) If you were going to buy a dog for this purpose, why would you tell the previous owners?
Therefore:
1) The 7 y/o is making this up to get attention
2) His brother is made this up to mess with his brother
3) Their father is a complete racist moron and you have become his messenger.
To note, dogs run wild in Asian countries. Where the people are extremely poor, they have been known to eat just about anything to survive. Dog, cat and rats are not a delicacy, they consume these animals because they are plentiful and cheaper than beef, pork or chicken. This is a sad stereotype that is perpetrated by prejudiced people. You have obviously never been to China or any Asian country to talk this way. Maybe you should educate yourself before speaking on topics you have no knowledge of. It is sad that you are so “dog” sensitive that you will come here and bash an entire culture over the words of a 7 year old.
November 3, 2008
8:26 a.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
EVERYONE,
I do not wish to start a fight in here. I honestly was hoping to genuinely gain some civil input and discourse regarding this matter to help me dispel rather or not this can be factually based. Being a dog owner/rescuer/lover I find the very concept evil and inhuman. I respect others may or may not agree with me, and I am not demanding you do. I only wish to express my own dismay if this was true in any capacity. What I am pointing out is genuinely true, the means of slaughter defies understanding by our standards.
We here, do not torture our food. It’s killed in a not so kind way, but its kept as quick as possible. Violators in this regard are charged and held legally accountable. In other countries they do not have this standard.
Again, Please, let’s not fight. I am asking a honest question here.
Thank you.
I.
November 3, 2008
8:27 a.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
The asian culture doesn't eat any dog that comes along, most of there meals are made from puppies.
November 3, 2008
8:33 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
it's not a matter of not agreeing with you, it's the fact that you can't see how your ignornance of Asian culture has formed a stereotype in your mind that is, somehow, believable.
did the kid also tell you that the man pee'd in his coke?
"What I am pointing out is genuinely true, the means of slaughter defies understanding by our standards."
based on WHAT NOW? your google search and a wikipedia page?
"it's not stereotyping. If you're uneducated on the subject I'd suggested perhaps researching my 'stereo' typing. Stereo typing is assuming every Mexican or lightly brown skinned individual living in the country is illegal. Or that every pastor or priest is a child molester."
... or thinking that becuse a kid said his dog was slaughtered by a "Chinese man" that it somehow carries any validity. your previously-held STEREOTYPE.
really. the fact that you even refer to Asian culture as 'Oriental culture' shows your ignorance to the matter -- and likely explains why you would be willing to believe a 7-year-old's OBVIOUS bs.
really, defending yourself and your position on this only further shows us your ignorance. please take a minute to see this.
November 3, 2008
8:34 a.m.
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Bagel writes:
NotUrFriend, you're talking about practices that have largely become archaic. I'm sure it still might happen, but I haven't read anything suggesting it's the norm. Much like cruelty in America's slaughterhouses are isolated incidents.
Also, I certainly am against torturing animals (any of them), but to suggest that Koreans (or any culture) are evil for eating dog or cat meat is a bit ridiculous I think.
November 3, 2008
8:35 a.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
Thats really nasty, I won't eat anywhere that allows animals.
November 3, 2008
8:36 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
It's a well-known fact that in China, Korea, Thailand and other Asian countries, dogs and cats are sold for food consumption. I've seen videos of the dog markets in China. The dogs are crammed in cages and sprayed down with disinfectant on a periodic basis, even in their eyes. It's horrible.
And yes, I've heard that some are beaten to make them more tender to eat. I realize this is nightmarish to read, but ignorance helps this evil continue unchecked. Thank God, there are more and more animal rights groups cropping up in Asia.
Of course, this kind of cruelty that is not accepted towards dogs and cats in the US is very much given the blind eye with regards to factory farm animals here. Let's not forget those are God's creatures, too, even if we don't generally keep them as pets.
Besides, you can't tell me that some factory farm worker who gets his rocks off brutalizing the animals under his care goes home and treats his wife and kids with gentleness and compassion.
November 3, 2008
8:38 a.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
Dick_Tator,
Who here is over reacting here? I never attacked any particular nationality, I only remarked back what I myself had heard. Perhaps you are being over protective of a particular portion of a culture? I am personally not an apologist. For anyone.
Christian, Mexican, American....Anyone. If I see something wrong I condemn it. I'm sorry your assuming I am attacking 3.7 billion people who live in Asia. But your wrong. I'm not. Stop assuming and read what I've posted.
As for "check your own facts" attitude. I have. If I were not at work I'd post several thousand direct links and a few hundred videos off YouTube.com to show my facts. Instead of assuming what a child said, true or otherwise, I'm familiar with this subject. Perhaps you should educate yourself.
The dog meat industry in Korea is massive and involves, on unofficial facts, 10% of the population. The means of slaughter are very well known and have been public for a few decades now. Remember the 80's Olympics in Korea? Very public exposure of that industry.
So, you can dance around the facts, photoes, stories and videos all you want. You may believe the world's flat and the universe revolves around the sun for all I care, as long as you dont hurt anyone else with it.
I.
November 3, 2008
8:39 a.m.
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5thgennative writes:
Ugh...we're turning into L.A. Next thing you know, we'll see dogs in the stores, just like L.A. I love walking into the stores and seeing dogs peeing on merchandise.
I like dogs and all, but what about the people with allergies? When did dogs become our children? Do we really have to bring our dogs EVERYWHERE?!
Oh well...
November 3, 2008
8:40 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"... or thinking that becuse a kid said his dog was slaughtered by a "Chinese man" that it somehow carries any validity. your previously-held STEREOTYPE..."
.... led you to believe that this could very possibly be true, has clearly left you in a tizzy about it, and even posted it on the RMN site thinking we would all agree with you that this is a problem in our society: men taking their family dogs to clandestine Chinese butchers (i can't believe you didn't insenuate he was operating out of the back of his laundry business) who slaughter dogs to eat...
November 3, 2008
8:42 a.m.
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Bagel writes:
And if you were Korean, you could assume that all beef-eating Americans love to torture cows before they consume them because of some videos PETA has taken in Kansas stockyards.
November 3, 2008
8:43 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"I like dogs and all, but what about the people with allergies? When did dogs become our children? Do we really have to bring our dogs EVERYWHERE?!"
most dog allergies are based on contact with the dog only. if somone, however, has such bad allergies that being in a room with a dog is a problem -- i doubt highly that simply going out and shopping and seeing a dog is their biggest concern. a person like that probably lives in a bubble.
even hospitals allow dogs in to patient areas (granted, not ICUs) to be with patients.
and my dog goes shopping with me all the time, and has never peed on merchandise. you must not have trained your pup well enough.
November 3, 2008
8:49 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Bagel: "Much like cruelty in America's slaughterhouses are isolated incidents."
I wish that were the case but it's not. The investigations that typically expose these incidents are conducted at random, which makes an important revelation about the statistical likelihood such abuse is more common than you are asserting here.
Also, commonly accepted, legal practices are cruel, unless you don't think it's cruel to crate animals in enclosures so narrow they can't even turn around. I defy you to remain in such a position for an hour, let alone for your entire life.
November 3, 2008
8:50 a.m.
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5thgennative writes:
Almostarmy2003 - I totally agree with you! It's disgusting.
I don't understand why you have to have your dog go everywhere that you do. Not everyone wants to be around that...and NO, it does not mean that I hate dogs/animals.
November 3, 2008
8:52 a.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
TheDenver,
Again, again, and again. I used what the small, innocent, likely honest, child said. Rather or not his big brother lied to him wasn't what this was about. I came on here WANTING input from others on here rather or not this is factual. That was it. My original post, please review it again. It never said I was certain, or attacking, anyone.
I restated what I was told. I restate it again, now.
Is anyone familair, AGAIN, if this is factual at all? AGAIN, to my original question, is anyone else aware of this? This is not an arguement, this is a request for input.
I.
November 3, 2008
8:54 a.m.
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Dick_Tater writes:
“Perhaps you are being over protective of a particular portion of a culture?”
Maybe because I have traveled to the lesser areas of China, Vietnam and the Philippines. I have also been to many other countries that I will stick up for the people when I see someone spreading racism.
“I never attacked any particular nationality”
From your first posting…
This is America, Not China, Korea, or any other nation that eats dogs.
“I'd post several thousand direct links and a few hundred videos off YouTube.com”
Yes, it does exist. But not to the extent that you like to show.
This is the propaganda from people like PETA and the Arayan Brotherhood to support their radical cause. While I place you more in the former than the latter, look at the company you keep.
You can also google “Taiwan Fetus Eating” and get 1,000’s of hits… Nuf, Don't believe everything you read on the web.
November 3, 2008
8:55 a.m.
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5thgennative writes:
The DenverB: Thanks for that information. I still don't think you need to take your dog everywhere you go. And do not assume that I did not train my dog well. I do not bring my dog to stores. I'm not so lonely that I need constant companionship from my dog, bringing it shopping and dining with me. They are ANIMALS.
November 3, 2008
8:56 a.m.
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Bagel writes:
mytwosense, why do you assume I support factory farming?
What I'm saying is that PETA sensationalizes stories because their agenda is to get everyone to stop eating meat. Plain and simple. There are many, many farms in America that responsibly raise livestock. But PETA deals in shock videos. If you were a foreigner doing your research on youtube, you could reasonably assume that all American farms practice cruelty to animals.
November 3, 2008
9:04 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"I came on here WANTING input from others on here rather or not this is factual. That was it. My original post, please review it again. It never said I was certain, or attacking, anyone."
clearly, by the fact that you won't listen to our LOGICAL input that this kid is full of BS, you DIDN'T come on here wanting anything but to tell us how you fear Asians are eating dogs in our community.
you have already made up your mind, and it's pretty clear to the rest of us.
and that's great that you don't bring your dog everywhere with you. that's how you chose to raise your dog.
but mine is damn well behaved and i can trust her to go anywhere with me, AS MY PET. And it's not lonliness, it's being a good pet owner who does'nt leave my dog at home 24-hours-a-day because it's conveneint to me.
"I'm not so lonely that I need constant companionship from my dog, bringing it shopping and dining with me."
please. what a bad argument. you clearly understand that having a pet doesn't make one lonely (though, you might be) ... and taking your pet with you on errands doesn't make one lonely either.
rather, maybe it means you'd rather your dog not sit at home alone all day. and, if it's not bothering anyone, who cares if my dog sits on a patio with me while i'm enjoying MY free time. Maybe people just enjoy having a dog -- afterall, that's why they got it in the first place.
if my dog isn't bothering you in any way (other than the fact that you are annoyed in simply seeing her in Home Depot on a leash with me), then get over it.
the minute she comes up and pisses on your shoes, however, then we can talk.
November 3, 2008
9:04 a.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
Oh, Personally.
My dogs only go with me to dog friendly area's. Its good for them, me, and to everyone else. If I feel my dog is not welcome or may be placed in distress I avoid bringing them. I'd love to go shopping and have them there with me, but that would be rude. Just like bringing your annoying, young, very loud children to the theaters is extremely rude.
I hope everyone had a decent Halloween.
I.
November 3, 2008
9:07 a.m.
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5thgennative writes:
Bagel - That's all people do on here is assume and look for an arguement. It makes it hard to just leave a comment on an article. By the way, I agree with you about PETA.
November 3, 2008
9:16 a.m.
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Bagel writes:
Thank you 5th gen.
Just because I think
1) the kid is telling a tall tale
2) Asians torturing dogs for food is a gross exaggeration
suddenly I'm a supporter of factory farming and turning a blind eye to cruelty.
Does not compute.
November 3, 2008
9:19 a.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
If I can't bring my M16 in home depot then you can't bring your dog. Fair is Fair
November 3, 2008
9:20 a.m.
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gs writes:
One of my Air Force friends tells the story of his family shopping while stationed in Korea. The family found a cute dog and bought it. The store owner said just a minute I'll prepare it. And came back in five minutes with the dog wrapped in white butcher paper. Ready to cook. And don't tell me we need to force our ideas on other people. I've had enough of our Ugly American years doing that.
November 3, 2008
9:22 a.m.
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5thgennative writes:
TheDenverB----
Ah, you make me laugh. Now go on and argue with others, I didn't come on here for that. You have too much free time if you can bring your dog everywhere you go AND write about it on here! And it is does bother people, but people like you do not care about that, just as long as you got your bf next to you.
I think one day I may join you. I'll sit right next to you and puff away on my cigarette and we can chat. I can enjoy MY free time while you enjoys YOURS : ) You don't care about what I think is gross, then I won't care about what you think is.
November 3, 2008
9:24 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"If I can't bring my M16 in home depot then you can't bring your dog. Fair is Fair"
there is no fair in capitalism. Whatever that company wants is what is fair. They don't want guns, but want dogs? -- then that's fair.
it's their company.
besides, your need to make yourself feel like more of a man by carrying a firearm (or at least by making the post on the RMN site about the fact that you have a machine gun) isn't really comparable to me not wanting to leave my dog at home on my saturday and in a hot car while i shop for overhead fans and bathroom fixtures.
but, more power to you if your hunk of metal gives you the same level of companionship as a living, breathing dog.... though, some may say that you may want to go see someone about that.
November 3, 2008
9:28 a.m.
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5thgennative writes:
Bagel - I know!
AlmostArmy - LMAO!
November 3, 2008
9:28 a.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
NotUrFriend writes:
Oh, Personally.
My dogs only go with me to dog friendly area's. Its good for them, me, and to everyone else. If I feel my dog is not welcome or may be placed in distress I avoid bringing them. I'd love to go shopping and have them there with me, but that would be rude. Just like bringing your annoying, young, very loud children to the theaters is extremely rude.
I AGREE!!! I haven't been to a movie since I had my son in march out of respect for other paying customers. I wish people would show the same respect when I go shopping. Both of my children and I are severely allergic to pet dander. We had to leave Burlington Coat Factory last week because some girl and her girlfriend brought there dogs in.
November 3, 2008
9:30 a.m.
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gs writes:
You dog people realize of course that the food you feed your animal and the money spent on it squeezes out of the system the nutrition and money that could be spent on the orphans of Bangledesh. Just so you know the choice you are making.
November 3, 2008
9:37 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Bagel, I wasn't accusing you of supporting factory farms and animal cruelty. And frankly, I'm a bit taken aback to see such a touchy reaction from you, of all people. I'm contradicting your assertion that slaughterhouse cruelty is isolated. That's all.
As for your comments about PETA, their agenda still doesn't make what they capture on film any less real horrific. I think you're putting aside this obvious fact because of your dislike for PETA.(They're not the only group capturing this stuff on film, either.)
"Shooting the messenger" is an all-too-common reaction these days in regards to any number of controversial topics. And I would expect a little more intellectual heft from you than that.
November 3, 2008
9:41 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"You have too much free time if you can bring your dog everywhere you go AND write about it on here!"
you're right. i have a lot of free time and i love it. It's nice to be in my position, and i've worked hard for it. I assure you that 100% of all of you are working to someday be able to afford free time. free time is a good thing.
"And it is does bother people, but people like you do not care about that, just as long as you got your bf next to you."
again, if my dog is truly bothering you -- other than simply being in your presence -- then i'll be glad to remove her.
"I think one day I may join you. I'll sit right next to you and puff away on my cigarette and we can chat."
well, i smoke... but i'll play along...
"I can enjoy MY free time while you enjoys YOURS : ) You don't care about what I think is gross, then I won't care about what you think is."
this is about being free from being offended by gross things to you? what???? i think obesely-large people are gross, but that's just something i have to deal with. you may think my dog is gross, but as long as she doesn't affect your day-to-day, then it's something YOU ARE going to have to deal with. It's not illegal to be fat, and it's not illegal to have a dog with you.
but when you light that up, your smoke is directly affecting others in that it comes into contact with others and is not contained to just one area. which is why we have laws against it, and even without laws, businesses tend to prohibit smoking because it DOES affect other patrons.
my dog on a leash with me, never coming into contact with you, isn't anything like your smoking a cigarette. And if the business has decided that they don't mind a pooch or two hanging around with their owners, then that's their business. you don't have to shop there -- that's the beauty of capitalism.
so again, if just the fact that i like to have my dog with me offends you, then get over it. and until she annnoys you with her barking, pees on your shoes, bites you or gets under foot... then learn to deal with it. otherwise, you are just another confused and complaining American who feels he has the right to be free from being offended.
November 3, 2008
9:41 a.m.
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Dick_Tater writes:
Too funny AA,
I think you should leave the M16 and people should leave their dogs at home. I for one appreciate your consideration of others, I find it sickening how narcissistic people have become. It is sad that people here value their dog more than they do other people in our society.
November 3, 2008
9:44 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Great post DenverB!
November 3, 2008
9:45 a.m.
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5thgennative writes:
TheDenverB---- sure does like to try and start arguements with people in here, doesn't she/he?
November 3, 2008
9:46 a.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
TheDenverB
First things first your right about what the company wants is what they get
Second of all I am seeing someone about my "Metal Issues" and have been since I redeployed
Having a machine gun doesn't make me feel like a man (I'm a woman) I would never want you to leave your dog in the heat. I just feel you should turn on the AC do your running around then come home and take your dog to the dog park. Instead of sending me running for benedryl when I'm trying to pick up some nails and a hammer
November 3, 2008
9:46 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"Both of my children and I are severely allergic to pet dander. We had to leave Burlington Coat Factory last week because some girl and her girlfriend brought there dogs in."
shop somewhere else where they don't allow dogs. Besides, i would think that if you and your kids have that bad of allergies, a couple of dogs in a store nowhere near you aren't going to bother you. Besides, they are YOUR allergies....
"You dog people realize of course that the food you feed your animal and the money spent on it squeezes out of the system the nutrition and money that could be spent on the orphans of Bangledesh. Just so you know the choice you are making."
well, without taking into account your ILLOGICAL jump in logic there, i'm making the choice to feed my dog. meanwhile, across the world, someone else is making the choice to have a chilld and then put their child up for adoption in sub-standard conditions.
the two are not related.
but, if the answer you want was: "yeah, i care more about my dog than a bangladeshi orphan", then i'll give that to you as well.
November 3, 2008
9:50 a.m.
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gs writes:
DenverB, can you say narcissist?
November 3, 2008
9:52 a.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
TheDenverB writes:
this is about being free from being offended by gross things to you? what???? i think obesely-large people are gross, but that's just something i have to deal with.
LOL! Can't be mad at that
November 3, 2008
9:53 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"It is sad that people here value their dog more than they do other people in our society."
have you seen most of the people in our society?
"I just feel you should turn on the AC do your running around then come home and take your dog to the dog park. Instead of sending me running for benedryl when I'm trying to pick up some nails and a hammer"
and i can respect that... but again, that's how you would be a dog owner. Thats not how i am a dog owner. . I"m a respectful dog owner, like the majority of people in Colorado.
i know that my dog on a leash in a place like Home Depot isnt going to be setting off any allergies any more than standing next to a cat or dog owner with dander and hair on them would do.
that's the same reasoning behind Children's Hospital letting my dog in to see EXTREMELY ill patients.
November 3, 2008
9:56 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"DenverB, can you say narcissist?"
i can. i can also say arrogant, selfish and ar$ehole (though the RMN won't let me say the last one correctly on here).
i can also say REALITY. as in, the REALITY is that my feeding my dog does not equate to me keeping food out of the mouths of orphans in another country.
now, can YOU say real? or is that too far removed from your train of thought?
November 3, 2008
9:58 a.m.
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jay writes:
nice try, native, but my dogs don't give you cancer.
this is an interesting subject.
we see a lot of the same emotional reactions from "anti-dog" folks as we do from other people whose only contribution to this issue is whining about the actions of others that annoy them.
get a life.
my dogs don't harm you, they don't affect your environment...unlike your cigarette smoke affects mine.
if a dog is misbehaving i public then his parents should remove him...just as a misbehaving child should be removed...rrriiiggghhhttt?
November 3, 2008
9:58 a.m.
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5thgennative writes:
Ah...this is fun : )
November 3, 2008
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NotUrFriend writes:
DenverB,
Your right, nothing around can take the place of my dogs. They are so loyal, loving, and appreciative of me. I feel strongely that I should live up to their expectation. I am honestly sorry if I offended you or anyone else here regarding this issue, but if this is true....That dogs are being taken in and slaughtered right here in Denver...I take very great offense to this. Regardless of the nationality of the killer.
I still am not sure rather or not it is true. I intend to follow up with local shelters and other sources that may be able to abate this fear of mine.
Have a good one.
I.
November 3, 2008
10:01 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
this is fun. i'm glad i didn't go to A-Basin...
November 3, 2008
10:04 a.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
I'm not anti-dog...............
I'm anti-fat people and anti-kids in movie theaters.
November 3, 2008
10:05 a.m.
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cassidy22 writes:
Anyone who thinks the meat they buy in the grocery store isn't being tortured, think again. Chickens are hung upside down, run through a machine that doens't always slice their neck, and most are scalded before they are dead.
Cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys - commercially are kept in pens that do not allow them to move freely, are herded like machines into slaughter houses and are not treated kindly. Have you ever driven by the big feed lots in Greeley? Cows live every day in a mountain of their own poop.
I raise my own food. I know my animals have space to roam, natural foods to eat, and are treated with love and care throughout their lives AND after. YES, America, your food is tortured. Go meet your local farmer, and start buying from the ones who treat animals properly.
November 3, 2008
10:07 a.m.
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Noia writes:
I'm sorry but that picture of the Yorkie with the GSD is enough to make me laugh at the notion of "well behaved" dogs. The Yorkie (which is off a leash!) is jumping at the GSD while the GSD is pulling on hard enough on it's lease the owner can be seen bracing herself in the chair. These are not well behaved animals in my opinion.
I have two words for these pet owners: Dog Park
I love all animals. But Fido doesn't need a cup of coffee. He's not going to die if locked in the car for 10 minutes while you get a cup. If you're worried about that then leave your pet at home while you shop. If you can't be parted from your pet for longer then 30 minutes and have to take them every where: seek professional help. There's something wrong with you.
As for the Asian dog eating conversation: I feel like I've been time warped back to early 70's urban legend conversations. It made me giggle. :)
November 3, 2008
10:08 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"Go meet your local farmer, and start buying from the ones who treat animals properly."
ding! great answer. besides, farm fresh pork, beef, eggs and milk are so much better tasting.
really folks, support your colorado ranchers and farmers (and not just by buying something that says 'colorado proud' at Safeway).
November 3, 2008
10:11 a.m.
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gs writes:
Denver B, I'm reminded of the woman in San Francisco who said it was the victims fault for being mauled to death by her two big dogs because she, the victim, had sex recently and the smell set them off. But, you keep your dogs under control (or so you say) just be aware not everyone loves them like you do and indeed are fearful when they are around. and, eventually, people may push back politically. And of course someone around here butchers dogs and cats for food. Don't be naive! After all, they butcher little girls genitals why not dogs and cats. And no I don't condone either but the latter is way worse than the former.
November 3, 2008
10:13 a.m.
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5thgennative writes:
Jay: I was making a point...and I was waiting for the person who would bring up the cancer issue...you're the winner! I have no desire to explain anything to you, but if you had been smart and read through, you would have noticed that I am not "anti-dog". Get a life. Lol!
As for your "if a dog is misbehaving i public then his parents should remove him...just as a misbehaving child should be removed...rrriiiggghhhttt?"
Hahahaha! Aren't you his owner? And you're telling me to get a life...you enjoy your day. You nutty's have made mine!
November 3, 2008
10:14 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"But Fido doesn't need a cup of coffee. He's not going to die if locked in the car for 10 minutes while you get a cup. If you're worried about that then leave your pet at home while you shop. If you can't be parted from your pet for longer then 30 minutes and have to take them every where: seek professional help. There's something wrong with you."
no, there's something wrong with you. you clearly have something large shoved up somewhere dark and tight.
November 3, 2008
10:16 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
I have dogs, I love 'em to pieces. Unfortunately, they're not as well-behaved as other dogs so I don't take them to coffee shop patios. Really, the pooches I see at these patios are calm and well-behaved. So I don't understand the uproar over this.
As for kids running around restaurants, I also hear more about this than I actually see it. Some of you just like to crab, period.
November 3, 2008
10:18 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"Denver B, I'm reminded of the woman in San Francisco who said it was the victims fault for being mauled to death by her two big dogs because she, the victim, had sex recently and the smell set them off."
i don't know why my well-behaved itallian greyhound reminds you of two horribly-trained pits that NEVER were under control. but whatever, you have already shown me that you have no real sense for logic.
"But, you keep your dogs under control (or so you say) just be aware not everyone loves them like you do and indeed are fearful when they are around."
i'm completely aware of that. again, im a VERY RESPECTFUL dog owner. i just expect some respect from non-dog owners in return."
"and, eventually, people may push back politically."
but clearly not here, where we PASSED A LAW ALLOWING DOGS ON PATIOS.
either way, i'm off to run errands with my dog.
November 3, 2008
10:25 a.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
TheDenverB
HAVE A GOOD DAY!
November 3, 2008
10:25 a.m.
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5thgennative writes:
Noia: EXACTLY! These people don't see that, though. They're so quick to jump down our throats and call us names and tell us that we must not love dogs/animals or any other rude comment that they can think of.
November 3, 2008
10:25 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
MyFriend,
Look what you have started here! ;) I know you meant well.
November 3, 2008
10:27 a.m.
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gs writes:
No I don't worry about greyhounds other than they love people sometimes too much. You never said that. And you never suggested you were a respectful dog owner either. I hope your errands go well.
November 3, 2008
10:27 a.m.
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Dick_Tater writes:
"have you seen most of the people in our society?"
Yes, and you're one of them. Is sad that people think they are special because of their pets. Got news for you, that is how dogs are. I could take your dog and in a month he would look at me the same way. I care greatly for my dog but I would not elevate him to the level of a human life. People who do this have real issues with people and interpersonal relationships. I'm guessing you don't have children ( if you do, I feel sorry for them ). I find it funny to watch dog freaks abandon their pets as soon as they have children. They need something to love them and cling to their pet as if it was human, until the real thing comes along. It is not about your pet, it is about you and your need to feel like someone ( or something ) loves you. Dogs are programmed to follow and seek approval of their owners ( or alpha ) so that they can remain part of their pack. You are valuing yourself based on an animal that is your captive audience and associating human emotions with the animals instinctual actions. Your perceived superiority over everyone else comes seething through in your posts. This does not make you special in the sense being better, it makes you special in the short bus way.
November 3, 2008
10:30 a.m.
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Noia writes:
Denver thanks for proving my point. haha
November 3, 2008
10:33 a.m.
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Bagel writes:
mytwosense, the conversation has sidelined enough since you last commented to me that I'm not sure it's even worth responding (sorry, I had to work).
But..."As for your comments about PETA, their agenda still doesn't make what they capture on film any less real horrific. I think you're putting aside this obvious fact because of your dislike for PETA."
I agree, every so often they justify their existence. But they are also inherently dishonest and prone to propaganda. They would have us believe that by eating meat we're supporting torture. This may be true if you go out and buy a Butterball turkey like what cassidy was talking about, but they don't want to admit there are responsible farms. They want them all shut down.
November 3, 2008
10:42 a.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
DenverB
Your right. My dog is more important to me than that child over in Bangledash. To the person(s) who inquired, heres my answer as well. Yes, my dog is more important than MANY people in society. Most importantly...I know very FEW of the three HUNDRED million or so people living in this country. I like only about 1 of every 30 persons I've met....So? that translates into very few I'd like in general.
So yes, my dog's more important than you. By a loooooong shot.
Just thought you should know...If you both were drowning...which one I'd save first.
I.
November 3, 2008
10:44 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
Bagel,
I can understand how you don't like PETA since you named your dog after a source of food. ;) Just kidding!
November 3, 2008
10:48 a.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
NotUrFriend writes:
Just thought you should know...If you both were drowning...which one I'd save first.
PRICELESS LMAO
November 3, 2008
11 a.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
AlmostArmy,
Its true. I value my dog for what she gives to me, uncorrupt and unconditionally over what a stranger I know nothing of who would, in all likely hood, in a bad situation abandon me.
Dick_tator
Its true, if you care for and love a dog, even one that is not yours, it will return that love ten fold. But that is a dogs nature. Your children, at an early enough age, or at any age in some circumstances, are exactly the same. Ever hear of adoption?
I.
November 3, 2008
11:17 a.m.
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Bagel writes:
lol Heidi, never thought of it from that angle.
If it came down to it and I was starving, you bet I'd eat him. And I'm sure I would make some cheesy joke about him tasting like bagels.
November 3, 2008
11:20 a.m.
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gs writes:
NotUrFriend, I'm appauled at the total lack of humanity shown. I guess the screen name says it all. May you have no need for another human just as you wish.
November 3, 2008
11:25 a.m.
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jay writes:
" If you're worried about that then leave your pet at home while you shop."
and if you're worried about those evil dogs, noia, please feel free to shop where they aren't allowed. seems like a pretty good system to me, no?
native, i'm not sure what your point was...that dogs don't give cancer or that secondhand smoke does.... when was the last time you heard of a waitress getting lung cancer from a poodle?
November 3, 2008
11:27 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
Bagel,
Joking in that respect, although which seems heartless and insensitive to some people, is sometimes the best thing to do in order to detach yourself from the situation and avoid letting it affect you too much in a negative way. I hope it never comes to that! I don't think I could eat my cats!
November 3, 2008
11:59 a.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
ewwww cats
November 3, 2008
12:06 p.m.
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Bagel writes:
I agree with almostarmy. Cats are the devil, and are not to be trusted.
November 3, 2008
12:08 p.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
GS,
I'm very much a humanist, actually. It may shock you but I volunteer a great deal of my time to helping other human beings. I also donate more than time, I donate cash, recyclables, blood, and much needed 'free' community labor. I've traveled and, sadly, come face to face with people. It's impossible to love everyone and its wrong to assume you can. Reflect like this: Human beings are very needy, greedy creatures. And I AM NOT an acception to that rule.
So, that being said. yes, I am going to value that which I value more than that which I know nothing of and therefor, do not value (as much). This might sound terrible, but I would value: My mother, father, family, friends, etc, over my dog. But everyone else? I care for them, sure. If I could help them I would, as thats not only the Christian thing to do, its the HUMAN thing to do.
That does not mean I would sacrafice something very precious to me just because. I know human nature. There are those wonderful lights that shine through all the dark clouds....But those are rare and far between Im afraid.
Hope that clears it up a bit.
I.
November 3, 2008
12:08 p.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
Bagel!!!!
LOL! I didn't say that, I just don't think I want one for dinner.
November 3, 2008
12:10 p.m.
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Noia writes:
Call me crazy but I have (and a lot of other people do also) a thing about not liking strange animals around me when I'm eating and drinking. It's one thing with my own pets, in my own house but it's a whole other story in public or at other people's houses.
It's an extremely rude thing to force animals on people in this kind of situation. If you can't see or are unwilling to understand that concept that's too bad.
So to answer your question Jay: Yes, I'll be avoiding these places while you and Denver are chit chatting in a cafe covered in dog hair and drool.
Enjoy your coffee and cookies!
November 3, 2008
12:11 p.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
Heidi,
Your cats are cute. Just not to my dogs ;) Cats drool and dogs rule? I think thats the old saynig :D
Haha, kiddin.
But seriousily.
I.
November 3, 2008
12:27 p.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
Noia,
I agree, sometimes it is discomfortbing. But Frankly, I'd prefer eating next to a stranger's dog (in most cases) than a person. At least with a dog around 99% of its desease can not transfer to humans, as they are species specific. Not all, as human and canine Pervo can transfer between the the two, as an example
But it is rude to some people. I'd heed the advise, don't like it, stay away. As long as whats going on isn't hurtin someone or something, I can typically accept it. Stay safe and enjoy the wonderful weather out. Time to go hiking and biking before its too late.
I.
November 3, 2008
12:43 p.m.
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jay writes:
noia, that sounds like a very responsible action on your part.
if you have a "crazy" fear of "strange", "drooling" dogs, it might benefit you to stay out of establishments that are lenient to patrons with pets.
i'm sure you'll find plenty of places to be away from "extremely rude" people "forcing" their dogs on you.
i think noia's approach to this issue is a good example for all of you other folks out there who obviously have an issue with pets in public.
November 3, 2008
12:49 p.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
Jay,
Amen to that brother! Also, for those of you who have an obvious dislike for kids, heads up! Stay away from the basketball courts....the parks.....the clubs.....Mcdonalds.....Man..
The list is really long, please use your brain to asses your envirnment and take appropriate steps logically to avoid the 'forced' 'rude' 'drooling' 'loud' 'annoying' kids from getting to close!
I.
November 3, 2008
12:53 p.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
I have a dislike for kids
November 3, 2008
12:59 p.m.
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Bagel writes:
Dogs >> Kids >> Cats >= Spiders
That about sums it up for me.
November 3, 2008
1:02 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
almostarmy,
Did you dislike yourself when you were a kid? ;)
November 3, 2008
1:09 p.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
Don't remember Heidi, why do you ask?
November 3, 2008
1:11 p.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
Frankly, kids can be annoying. You may, even, at times very strongly dispise them. But their kids, so you better just deal with it.
I'd much rather have a puppy.........A rotty puppy.
LOL@ Heidi,
Course ;)
I.
November 3, 2008
1:13 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
almostarmy,
because you said you had a dislike for kids!
November 3, 2008
1:15 p.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
I do have a dislike for kids, as far as liking myself when I was a child I don't remember. Do you have kids Heidi?
November 3, 2008
1:17 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
No, I don't.
It was only a joke.
November 3, 2008
1:19 p.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
FYI I don't get to excited about spiders either LOL
November 3, 2008
1:28 p.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
** throws camal spider on AlmostArmy2003 **
haha, trick or treat.
I.
November 3, 2008
1:35 p.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
ROTFLMAO!!!!! SO GROSS!!!!
FLASHBACKS!!!!!
Gonna need stronger meds this week.
November 3, 2008
1:46 p.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
LOL @ AlmostArmy2003
Haha, yeah, those thing are creepy. I remember first stepping out of our APC and seeing one of those 'things' come scurring by like a bat outta he*l! If'd I'd of known it was there I'd of shot it. But it was too quick.
Very Creepy! A face not even God could love.....
I.
November 3, 2008
2:16 p.m.
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needforchange writes:
I love cats! They taste like chicken.
November 3, 2008
2:22 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
needforchange,
I heard you taste like chicken, too!
November 3, 2008
2:26 p.m.
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almostarmy2003 writes:
One jumped on my CO during formation, everyone took off running. It was the size of a small puppy.
I could never see one of those things again and be just fine
November 3, 2008
2:34 p.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
Heidi,
During a stay in Brazil they were roasting indignious Indians there…..I won’t lie, I paid for a bite. It’s actually rather oily, like rattle snake. I am assuming it’s the greater fat to muscle ratio that is particular to human beings. Bad eating habits honestly.
I.
November 3, 2008
2:34 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
almostarmy,
Do you still look in your shoes before you put them on?
November 3, 2008
2:37 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
MyFriend,
I heard it's an acquired taste!
November 3, 2008
2:38 p.m.
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needforchange writes:
Heidi - wanna taste?
November 3, 2008
2:41 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
lol, I'll just take their word for it!
November 3, 2008
2:48 p.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
Need,
If you are up "for change" of tastes....I think I could let you take a lil' nibble. Just don't bite to hard....cause I bite back! And you don't test your lil' sissy bite on a rottweiler.
I.
November 3, 2008
2:56 p.m.
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needforchange writes:
If you're Not'My'Friend, why would you give me a lil' nibble? You are like the mean scary character driving around in an old chevy van trying to hand out candy to little ones...
November 3, 2008
3:08 p.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
Need,
First, its not candy. And kids these days like the cars that go "boom" so its not a van.
I'm that snicky lil creep off in the corner with either:
Spoonbob Square pants stickers
Or driving the speedy Dodge Charger.
Again, it's not candy. That's eighties my friend.
I.
November 3, 2008
3:18 p.m.
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needforchange writes:
Shows how out of touch I am...still does not explain why you are being soooo nice to me and offer up the nibbles...
November 3, 2008
3:28 p.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
Need,
Because I'm a humanist silly. I am also self sacrificing by natue
Now get in the car and shut up!
I.
November 3, 2008
4:17 p.m.
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needforchange writes:
giggles, friend, giggles
November 3, 2008
4:28 p.m.
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sweetater writes:
Notyourfriend
I would like to say by all means please save your dog from drowning before me, cause the way a dog is he/she will come back and rescue me too !!! that's a dog.
Heidi, I would love to show you a email I recieved from a friend called Cat vs. Dog diaries but afraid too long for the RMN In fact I think everyone would enjoy it. Keep luvin your kittens and thank you everyone for not saying MUTTS they are Designer Dogs remember.
November 3, 2008
5:26 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
sweetater, this about sums it up: "Dogs have owners, cats have staff!" Although, one of my cats behaves more like a dog.
November 4, 2008
8:40 a.m.
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sweetater writes:
Heidi ,cats have staff dogs have owners that is t-o-o-oo funny,but true. I have a friend that had a rott that thought he was a cat.Very interesting creature he was.
November 4, 2008
10:30 a.m.
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5thgennative writes:
Dick_Tater - Well stated!!
November 4, 2008
12:43 p.m.
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wow writes:
I came in on this very late. noturfriend asked about the Asian dog eating thing taking place for real here in town, and I'd have to say, my experience 15 years ago would indicate that it does happen.
My kid sister and some cousins were playing behind a Vietnamese restaraunt near Alameda and Federal when they went to investigate yipping noises. They found a bag of newborn puppies, in a freezer just inside the kitchen door. Two out of six were still alive and they stole them, and brought them home, with the cook in hot pursuit for several blocks.
So....yeah, it happens sometimes.
November 4, 2008
1:52 p.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
WOW,
Can you please email me? I have been in contact with several Local sources and some have provided me interesting (though not clear) stories I want to follow up on. Primarily that some remains of dogs have been located, indicating excessive blunt force trauma to the midsection, multiple peircing wounds throughout the body. One staff I spoke too said that "the death was from un natural cause with possible signs of intentially infliction of pain" to the animal from the significant signs of blunt force exposure. One other mentioned that several bodies might have been gutted.
I am familiar with the Federal / Alameda area. Are you being honest with me about this? I am sorry to question your integrity, but a great deal of members on this forum appears to have an overwhelming hatred for dogs in general, so I am not certain if you are being genuine. Please contact me via email, as I'd certainly like to talk further regarding this.
I.
i1941g@aol.com
November 4, 2008
2:12 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
MyFriend,
I feel confident to say that you can probably trust wow's word!
November 4, 2008
2:39 p.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
Heidi,
That makes me feel better at taking WOW at face value, but its dismaying at what such implications means. If you catch my drift. It's not just the dogs they enjoying slaughtering, its also cats. It's terrible and this is not what we do here in America. It's too bad its not illegal but it aught to be. Because if we're asked to keep 'lowering' our standards to accept other cultures rather than our own, where does it stop?
Islam permits marriage and intercourse between a man well into his sixties or seventies with girls below the age of 9. Is that the next step? Or woman having no voices? It always starts with 'baby' steps....and it grows from there. I'm just horrified and sickenin at the prospect. Hope Im not jumping the gun here.
I.
November 4, 2008
3:12 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
MyFriend,
That literally makes me sick to my stomach when I hear of the animal tortures going on. And definitely human torture! I had nightmares last night because of this!
November 4, 2008
3:21 p.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
Heidi,
yes, I agree. I wonder if I can get together with other like minded people to assist in passing something officially banning the torture, slaughter, and consumption of canine/feline flesh. just so gross. Especially the concept of torture. I DO NOT want to import THIS into MY country. I'm sorry to sound so anti-cultural...But if it don't fit, than DON'T force it.
I.
November 4, 2008
3:37 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
MyFriend,
Isn't that already against the law??
November 4, 2008
4:34 p.m.
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sweetater writes:
Noturfriend,
I have to agree with WOW and yourself I don't know how we can stop this or how we can prove it even happens but I believe it does Over on 72nd and Federal the block of Elliot St there was a whole apartment building of Vietnamese and their children told mine as they were looking for the neighbors pit bull pup that their parents caught it and all stray animals yes cats too Heidi,and that is what they ate quite often. And I am sorry folks who think children would lie about something like this They were young 5 yrs old or 6 I don't think children lie about such things. My son was 5 at the timeand he is now 20 this. In fact it affected him in a way that if he finds a stray he searches till he finds their owner
So what can we do ?
November 4, 2008
6:14 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
sweetater,
They're obviously not very discreet about it and they still get away with it! I would think it would not be worth the time and trouble to eat a cat since there is not much meat there. Ewww....I can't believe I even thought that. How horrible.
November 5, 2008
1:26 p.m.
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sweetater writes:
Heidi,
Yes I know, you would think if these children had told adults you would hope somebody would call authorities.You would think it's not only cruelty to animals but children also. And as I said before I tended to believe these children cause they were so small. Don't feel bad about your last sentance, my little designer dog a little on the plump side and i