Obama draws thousands in Pueblo
Rocky staff and wire services
Published November 1, 2008 at 10:25 a.m.
Jae C. Hong, Associated Press
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama speaks Saturday afternoon at a rally in Pueblo.
Photo by M.E. Sprengelmeyer © The Rocky
Barack Obama speaks to the crowd gathered in Pueblo.
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PUEBLO — It's the last weekend before voting for president, and Colorado finds itself on center stage.
Barack Obama spoke at a rally in Pueblo this afternoon. When Obama arrived in Pueblo, his family was waiting for him on the tarmac, wife Michelle and daughters Malia and Sasha. Obama kissed his wife and hugged his daughters.
Obama’s final campaign stop in Colorado took on a festival feel Saturday, with several thousand jubilant supporters dancing in the streets and acting like the election was over. Maybe that’s because for most of them it was.
Some 56 percent of Colorado’s active voters have already cast their ballots, according to the secretary of state’s office, which says almost 1.5 million people have already voted by mail or at early polling locations.
The prevalence of advance voting in Colorado made for a different atmosphere at Obama’s rally. It was clear at the final Obama Colorado rally that the campaign is aware most in the crowd had already voted. Several thousand supporters who packed downtown Pueblo streets were asked to turn their sights now to people who haven’t yet cast their ballots.
“We can’t afford to sit back or slow down. We’ve got to win Colorado,” said Obama, who planned to headline rallies Saturday in three states that chose President Bush four years ago — Nevada, Colorado and Missouri.
A majority had already voted in Nevada, too, where early voting concluded Thursday. As in Colorado, registered Democrats were more likely than Republicans to cast early ballots.
Volunteers scribbled down numbers of people who agreed to spend Election Day calling undecided voters or driving people to the polls.
Supporters danced to oldies music, chanted “O-bam-a!” and ate ice cream on an unseasonably warm afternoon. But they were urged not to rest after casting their votes.
“We’re counting on you to make phone calls and go out and see your neighbors,” said former Democratic presidential candidate and retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark.
Some voters who already turned in their ballots said they weren’t likely to work for Obama during the next three days. But they said they felt compelled to attend because of Obama’s star power. They conceded that Colorado is unlikely to receive as much attention from the president after the election is over.
Colorado’s battleground status has attracted several visits from Obama and John McCain.
“We would regret it the rest of our lives if we didn’t come,” said Anna Garcia, 55, a steel distributor who drove from Denver to see Obama’s speech.
Michelle Obama, who attended the rally and introduced her husband, planned to return to Colorado for a rally in the Denver suburb of Littleton on Monday afternoon. She told the crowd that the Colorado race is not yet won, though early voting numbers indicate registered Democrats are voting more heavily than Republicans.
“You have gotten us 85 percent of the way there, but the other 15 percent, it’s on us,” Michelle Obama said.
McCain had not announced plans to return to Colorado before Election Day, though his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, will headline a rally in Colorado Springs Monday with singer Hank Williams Jr.
Earlier in the day in Henderson, Nev., Obama said voters can end divisive politics “once and for all” if they elect him to the White House in three days.
Hunting for votes one last time in Nevada, Obama told an estimated 15,000 people that their will is more powerful than “the politics of anything goes.”
The Illinois senator spoke on a breezy day in Henderson, about 15 miles southeast of Las Vegas.
Sunday, former U.S. Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle will join with U.S. Senator Ken Salazar and former Colorado Gov. Roy Romer on a "Get Out the Vote" RV Tour through Larimer and Boulder counties. Daschle, Salazar, and Romer will visit with volunteers and participate in canvass kick-offs at Campaign for Change offices.
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November 1, 2008
12:33 p.m.
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Woodrow writes:
RMN, then show a picture of Obama instead of Grampa McLame.
3 More days of McFalin and we will be done with them and all of you mixed up fools for a very long time. OMG what a celebration that will be...
I'm counting the hours. It will be interesting to see which losers show up on the boards on Wednesday and take the heat for having talked so much smack. Hopefully all of you will just go away...
November 1, 2008
1:16 p.m.
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T1anda writes:
People need to know who Obama consorts with!
Cehck out these people for yourself!!!! They ALL have ties to Obama. Why is that?????
1. Bill Ayers Weather Underground terrorist..Obama began his political career in Ayers living room.
2. Frank Marshall Davis..(Obama's personal mentor from age 10 until eighteen when Obama left for college) Davis was a key member of a Soviet controlled network sponsered by AMoscow and operated in Hawaii.
3. Jeremiah Wright..Obama's pastor for over 20 years. Black liberation theologian. (a marxist movement)
4. Bernadine Dohrn...former leader of the Communist organization Weather Underground. See Bill Ayers.
5. Koji Ariyoshi...A Communist double agent arrested in Hawaii under charges of attempting to overthrow the American government under the Smith Act. He is also linked to Obama.
6. Mike Klonsky whose father wan an American communist convicted in the mid-fifties for plotting the forcible overthrow of the United States government...Mike Klonsky is an unabashed communist whose currant mission is to spread communist ideolgy. Obama funded Klonsky to the tune of nearly two million dollars! Obama, moreover, gave Klonsky a broad platform to broadcast his ideas: a social justice blog on the official Obama campaign website!! Check it out!! Klonsky in partnership with Bill Ayers whcih Obama mightly helped underwrite, formed a Maoist organization, first known as the October League, which is also known as the communist party.
7. Sam Graham-Felson, hired to run Obama's blog, writes in Marxist publications that openly call for revolution against the American people and government!!!
8. Rev. Michael Pleger, Alice Palmer, Quentin Young...the list goes on and one but space here is limited. Obama has spent decades and millions aiding and abetting people who hate America.
Check it out and vote for ANYBODY but Obama!!! DON'T BE FOOLED!!
November 1, 2008
1:34 p.m.
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H20 writes:
T1anda give it up already!!
November 1, 2008
1:36 p.m.
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Jack_Durden writes:
Wow, people are still going on about the Ayers and Wright thing...
November 1, 2008
1:54 p.m.
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jefferson3 writes:
Hopefully these mccain moonbats won't drink and drive Tuesday night. Stay in and drink alone.
November 1, 2008
2:03 p.m.
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jesnoon writes:
My only beef is that this story is about Obama and it starts with a picture of McCain???? What's up with that??? I read your paper off and on and it seem like you always mention McCain first or have his picture plastered in your paper and Obama is like who cares with your paper. Stop it be fair and balanced. Tell it like it is and not like you wish it was!!!
November 1, 2008
2:20 p.m.
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Woodrow writes:
T1anda, the fact that you took the time to write all of that BS in a blog is truly frightening...
All of these tired right wing scare tactics are such a joke.
That new RNC commercial with the choppy storm waters talking about how things will get worse if we elect Obama. Who do think that appeals to? Oooohhh, I'm so scared. OMG honey look at that terrible scene on the TV. What will happen if we vote for Obama? He's gonna take from the rich and give to the poor.
Its so funny to listen to the republican pollsters talk about how the mclame campaign is winning over the rural white UNEDUCATED (re: stupid) voter. What does that say about your party?
Combine that with the fact that the educated portion of your party started to distance themselves from Bush about 2 yrs ago and many have now backed Obama. Tell you something?
November 1, 2008
2:56 p.m.
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azshadow writes:
gmo80 ill be waiting to see how obama brings this country to its knees and have people like you sit there and crawl into a whole believing that you were so righteous about obama all along. what a joke
November 1, 2008
3:02 p.m.
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Woodrow writes:
azshadow, let me guess... You voted for Bush....um....twice, right?
Nice job, thanks for that.
You have ZERO credibility so what - on Earth - makes you think any of your (ill-conceived) predictions carry any weight?
November 1, 2008
3:20 p.m.
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NeilT writes:
azshadow writes: "people like you sit there and crawl into a whole"
gmo80 said: "azshadow, let me guess... You voted for Bush....um....twice, right?"
How did you know, gmo80?
Whole?
November 1, 2008
3:23 p.m.
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azshadow writes:
gmo80, You're a comedian, you've made two assumptions based on zero facts. I've never voted, I'm 23 and a student at Mines for engineering. I choose not to vote because I haven't done immense research on either candidate and my vote will only end up being uninformed.
Your general notion is to laugh and mock McCain supporters if Obama is to win. You have no credibility as a human if you can even think that way. What's possibly worse if you actually BELIEVE Bush is the sole reason to blame for everything. Just because your life isn't so great that you can resolve to blame Bush just proves how worthless your comments are. Thanks for that
November 1, 2008
4:02 p.m.
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T1anda writes:
gmo80 check out all of these close associates of Obama and come to your own conclusions.....or just make statements and call people "uneducated"(re: stupid) and run blindly to the polls to cast your uninformed vote.
gmo80 and his/her family will suffer along with the rest of us if this un-American candidate is elected. Sure hope you keep your job if you have one. When companies fold up due to excessive Obama taxation you Obamabots will be the first to start braying about it. If he punishes the small business owners guess who takes it in the arse?? You,me,everyone who strives to make a living in this country.
Obama's campaign managers are already asking Obamabots to LOWER their expectations of him if he is elected.(CNN)
See, he's getting all of you primed up for the kick in the arse that he and his anti-American buddies have planned all along. Don't say you weren't warned!!
Voting for John McCain,is definitly voting for the lesser of two evils, but at least McCain has proved himself to the American people,and is 100% red blooded American patriot!!! I'll take that over Obama and his shady anti-American friends and mentors anyday!!!!!!!!!!
Heroism=John McCain
OVER
Terroism=Barack Obama
November 1, 2008
4:02 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
'Twas the night before elections And all through the town
Tempers were flaring Emotions all up and down!
I, in my bath robe, With a cat in my lap
Had cut off the TV Tired of political crap
When all of a sudden There arose such a noise
I peered out of my window Saw Obama and his boys
They had come for my wallet They wanted my pay
To give to the others Who had not worked a day!
He snatched up my money And quick as a wink
Jumped back on his bandwagon As I gagged from the stink
He then rallied his henchmen Who were pulling his cart
I could tell they were out To tear my country apart!
On Fannie, on Freddie, On Biden and Ayers!
On Acorn, On Pelosi' He screamed at the pairs!
They took off for his cause And as he flew out of sight
I heard him laugh at the nation Who wouldn't stand up and fight!
Where are you oh brave men, so brave and free
Obama or McCain is the best choices you give me ?
God help us all an I leave on this one final note-
IF YOU DON'T WANT CHANGE, GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!
November 1, 2008
4:35 p.m.
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WHATRIGHTS writes:
Punnisher
What a great post....so true and clever! Thanks!
November 1, 2008
4:59 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
Time to be serious. We may not know what we do at this point....
This is worse politics than in the NIXON years......
November 1, 2008
5:07 p.m.
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SanctuaryCity writes:
He mentions the amnesty salazars & tax ritter, what's that tell you?? yeh, paling around with more losers.
Anybody heard about his sick grandma that he visited in hawaii convincing her keep quiet about his past and associations ??
November 1, 2008
5:07 p.m.
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joggle writes:
T1anda: Have you taken the time and effort to review all of McCain's associations over the past 70 years or do you like using a double standard when choosing your candidate?
November 1, 2008
5:21 p.m.
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Nobama writes:
Barack Hussein Obama
The next President of the United States?
He truly IS a phenomenon. He possesses the best qualities of a snake oil salesman, a faith-healing evangelist, and a cult guru. No matter that he lacks substance and presidential experience. His mesmerized followers freely dismiss his Indonesian Muslim roots, his association with domestic terrorists, his tenure in the corrupt Chicago political system, and his tutelage by a racist anti-American pastor, in order to blindly follow him down a path towards Socialism. All of this loyalty seems to come in return for only a promise of “hope” and “change”. Well, there’s also the offer to “share the wealth” and an implied intent to punish the evil “rich” and big corporations, who are the engine that runs our capitalistic system.
November 1, 2008
5:45 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Sure glad they all don't go fishin', cause that would make a great excuse for not catching anything. I am quite impressed with Mr. Obama, he is really somebody as a young man, to bring America to this great moment in it's long storied history. If he wins, I really hope all us as a nation can be fair in our judgements, and pick him up when he stumbles on the stairs of power. It is the highest office in all the free world, more powerful than that of any other nation. If he has the heart of country close in his decisions, I don't always have to agree. So as I'm fishin' tonight by the lantern with a couple of pals, it is the only office I have yet to be sure, whom I will vote for. We have a very hard road ahead as a nation, diplomacy has long suffered worldwide, bridges have been torn down and now need to be rebuilt. Our industry has all but closed up, the government is giving them more money to add to the embers, instead of retooling and restructuring those that haven't left the country. If Mr. Obama makes it, I also think our enemies are going to try him as his youth, is not an asset, but a target. North Korea, Venezuelia, Iran, Syria, and the list is so long. I guess if John Kennedy had to face it, Mr Obama can; however, never underestimate that Kennedy wielded much greater personnel power from his family than Mr. Obama. Sure was a nasty campaign, my television was a real open cesspool, overflowing conti
November 1, 2008
6:03 p.m.
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November 1, 2008
6:07 p.m.
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RJS07 writes:
Nice poem, Punnisher!
the only part you left out is how the Dems are now plotting to take your 401K...
and you can look up the info from the hearing and read all about it.
November 1, 2008
6:20 p.m.
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T1anda writes:
Joggle.. Imagine if John McCain's career had been launched at the home of a right-wing terrorist such as Timothy McViegh? Do you think potential voters and the media woud just shrug their shoulders?
Imagine if McCain were closely associated with a right-wing group that state officials say is actively committing voter fraud(ACORN) running up to this election. Would you Obamabots and the media ignore it??
If John McCain spent two decades in a church with a right-wing pastor who preached a verson of white supremacy and routinely condemned America, would potential voters and the media suggest that the tie was no reflection on McCain's own thoughts or ideology?
But, Barack Obama is not Republican. And therefore this ties to fringe elements inside and outside his party are ignored and discounted by a fawning uninformed voter base and a blantantly biased media. A media that would leave no stone unturned and crush him if the candidate with radical associations was named John McCain.
November 1, 2008
6:26 p.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
McCain supporters, what you fail to see is that I, like the majority of other Americans who are voting for Obama, are able to think for ourselves and judge a candidate for ourselves. It's time for you to give up on your lame guilty by association fear mongering. We have brains of our own, and we have selected the more competent, more prepared, more presidential, more disciplined, more energetic, more patriotic candidate for president, based on our own observations of the candidates. We have selected Barack Obama. And I'm confident the American people will select Barack Obama by a wide margin on Tuesday.
Vote Obama/Biden '08 for competent leadership.
November 1, 2008
6:32 p.m.
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bph writes:
Just wait til Obama The Hood and his Merry Men admit that they cannot deliver on their promises without taxing everyone much more. By then it will be too late
November 1, 2008
6:44 p.m.
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commoncents writes:
T1anda brings out some good points. If McViegh was still alive he would be a supporter of McCain.....well at least he would look like McCains supporters. The RNC is actively participating in voter suppression tactics, much more serious than Mickey Mouse trying to register. If McCain had spent some time in a church he might not have run out on his wife for a rich bimbo to finance his political aspirations.
Obama is too ethical for any of the lies to stick. If there was something wrong with him the media would be all over it, they are blood thirsty and dont care where the blood comes from.
November 1, 2008
6:45 p.m.
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xeeian writes:
RJS07 writes:
| "the only part you left out is how the Dems are now
| plotting to take your 401K..."
You mean what's left of our 401Ks after Bush and the Republicans did their whole deregulation thing. My 401K is lower now than it was in 2000; and that is after contributing $15000 a year for 8 years to it.
That's why I'm voting for Obama
November 1, 2008
6:45 p.m.
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WHATRIGHTS writes:
PonchoVia, more energetic and more disciplined (as most master manipulators are without emotion), yes.....more patriotic, more presidential (US sort of presidential) not so much! More prepared and more competent that's a toss up depending on what you want for an outcome!
November 1, 2008
6:56 p.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
bph, At least Obama is making promises and saying what he'll do. McCain doesn't even say what he would do as president. It's true that meeting the Obama promises could be challenging, given the incredibly horrible condition that Bush/Rove/McCain and the Republicans have left the country in. Bush/Rove/McCain have created a $10trillion debt, left us in a quagmire of a war and ruined the US's international reputation - any follow-on president would have a hard time doing anything with that. The utter incompetence and corruption of the Bush/Rove/McCain trio are a primary reason I will not vote Republican.
Vote Obama/Biden to tell the Republican party that Bush/Rove/McCain have utterly failed the USA!
November 1, 2008
7:02 p.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
WHATRIGHTS, Obama stands for unity and hope. Listen to one of Obama's speeches and you will her it - "There is no blue America, there is no red America, there is the United States of America!"
McCain stands for fear and division. Listen to McCain's words - he wants to scare us and divide us - "Pro-American parts of the country!", "Socialist!", "Terrorist!". McCain and the Republican party function on fear and division.
Hope and unity are more patriotic and presidential than fear and division.
Vote Obama/Biden for hope and unity.
November 1, 2008
7:06 p.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
allen12, using your logic there will be tens of millions of traitors to the US by Tuesday. Do you really think there are that many traitors in the US? Or, maybe you were joking with your comment.
November 1, 2008
7:09 p.m.
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November 1, 2008
7:18 p.m.
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T1anda writes:
Allen12 I don't think Obamabots are traitors...they are just ill informed. The Blacks are voting primarily because Obama is half black. And Blacks think Obama will cater only to them and solve every problem they have encountered or will encounter. Boy, are they in for a surprise!
November 1, 2008
7:26 p.m.
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demmud writes:
`Twas two days before election day and all through the town
Was talk of who would win the election crown.
"Obama!" "McCain!" "Biden!" "Palin!"
56% of Colorado ballots already mailed in.
I fill up one gas tank; it costs a day's pay.
Am I one of those who have not worked a day?
Talk of raising taxes and talk of lay off's.
I'm sure the people feel politicians have robbed us.
When all of a sudden there arose such a voice!
Calling out for change, calling out for choice!
I ran to the street corner and saw a great crowd.
And there at the stump was the source of the voice, loud and proud!
The crowd waved signs and cheered, "Yes we can!"
I weaved through the crowd to meet this "Obama" man.
He smiled at me and shook my hand.
He asked me what I do for a living, and I said, "Hamburger stand."
He smiled and said, "You work all day to earn your pay."
He spoke of hope, change, and a new day.
I felt he was different from politicians of today.
How can you not feel the same way?
November 1, 2008
7:29 p.m.
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Hola writes:
I love this traitor talk. Reminds me of the picture, doctored, of John Kerry with Jane Fonda. That's all the Republicans have at this point. No one really is voting for McCain apparently so they have to use scare tactics.
Being against pointless wars is patriotic not treasonous.
November 1, 2008
7:31 p.m.
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WHATRIGHTS writes:
PonchoVia,
I can hear. It is bothersome to many that this man, who wants to be our President, yes of the United States of America, is a hypocrite! Ever heard the saying, your actions are so loud I can't hear you. His promises sound good, but they are not achievable or realistic, they are empty. I am not pro McCain either, but at least I know what I am getting, our government that is with checks and balances. McCain doesn't make these huge undeliverable promises because it is going to take a well balanced government, the people, who are suppose to have a voice will need to stand up and demand the change we want, we will have to change our system by fighting for what we believe. I won't lie, I do not like the unknown, I struggle with trust, especially a politician. McCain is not going to tear down the very government our forefathers built, nor is he going to shred what is left of our constitution because that is not the change we need.
Seriously, I am not saying this to be hateful or mean, but people who are blindly buying into this because they just want "change" and trust or believe based on lip service scare the hell out of me. I am sorry that our government made up of two parties have not been the best, however, we haven't been diligant in our demands as people either......Every single American (politicians, businesses and the people) are to blame for the messes we are in, from the folks who bought beyond their means, the government for arbitrarily deciding they think they know what's best without regards to the people who employ them, the local officials who have no regard for our constitution and on and on....but I refuse to trust one peson to drive our country and sit back and watch, it's ludicrous, want change then stand up for your rights and what YOU believe in! Truly believe in.
November 1, 2008
7:45 p.m.
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H20 writes:
T1anda you listen to too much right-wing am radio.
dontbeafraid Obama is here to stay "Don't be afraid" that is what the republican party breeds fear and hatred!
November 1, 2008
8:39 p.m.
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Chadley25 writes:
Hardcore republicans are a funny lot, aren't they? Instead of being mad at their own party for essentially destroying our country, and working to rebuild the republican brand and return it to the sanity that it once represented before it was hijacked by the right-wing evangelical hypocrites, they find it more reassuring to just lob schoolyard insults at the man who it seems will finally derail the runaway republican nightmare we've all endured for the last eight years.
Bush and his cronies were handed the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives, and for six years, did very little beside lead this country down, down, down. They mishandled the 9/11 aftermath, utterly botched the Katrina response, turned a massive budget surplus into a mind-numbingly large deficit, started an unjust war that has cost tens of thousands of lives, hundreds of billions of dollars, and has no end in sight, done absolutely nothing on any domestic agenda like healthcare or education, and even after the democrats won a slim, tiny majority in both houses in 2006, the republicans still managed to contravene or circumvent any meaningful policy change or implementation by filibustering or outright veto at the hand of George.
Why on earth are you continuing to support these buffoons? They can win (or manipulate) elections better than anyone, sure, and certainly NOBODY runs a more effective fear and smear campaign, but what the last eight years have shown me is THEY CAN'T GOVERN. They just cannot govern worth a pickled sh!t, and yet 23-25% of the people apparently still support Bush and his band of crooked morons. It truly boggles the mind.
"Bush isn't running," some will say. But if McCain voted with Bush over 90% of the time, and stood by him time and time again (and I believe that statistic is true), then he's not that different. And Palin... whew, she's so fringe, she's just scary.
So yeah, it's looking more and more like the old republican standards of using fear and doubt and outright lies to win elections isn't going to work this time. Sorry guys. I am not a blind Obama sheep, and I would have preferred to see him run later in his career instead of now, but he's the nominee, and I absolutely believe he will be good for the country and hopefully undo some of the damage Bush has caused.
November 1, 2008
9:03 p.m.
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kchri writes:
You do realize he his white also. Right!?
November 1, 2008
9:06 p.m.
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FCZ writes:
THE AUDACITY OF HATE -
Barack Hussein Obama & Pastor Wright's Racist Church
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcXFxb...
November 1, 2008
9:26 p.m.
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freemarketworks writes:
Votes, actions and associations are a far stronger gauge of a man’s character than the words that he speaks. Obama’s past votes, actions and associations do nothing to reassure me that he is nothing more than a liar, a socialist, and a weak apologist. Rather than fight for freedom, Obama would rather ask “why can’t we all get along?” and negotiate with terrorists, without condition.
Also, Obama was the most liberal voting member of the U.S. Senate, even left of Vermont Socialist, Bernie Sanders. For those frugal Americans that are against higher taxes, for strong defense and smaller government, Obama calls us selfish and Joe Biden calls us unpatriotic. Even though, Republicans out-number Democrats 2 to 1 for those Americans that have graduated from college, served honorably in the U.S. military and work 50+ hours per week.
Selfish? Unpatriotic? I would argue that these words describe those Obama voters that dropped out of school, didn’t serve your country and want handouts from a democratic-socialist government.
November 1, 2008
9:40 p.m.
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singularity99 writes:
Wow! After reading all of this absolute moronic, fear-mongering racist trash written by McCain supporters, what truly amazes me is that you imbeciles can actually read, write and use a computer. It makes me ashamed to be a lifelong Republican.
By the way, your candidate has already lost, based on early voting results. Poor babies.
November 1, 2008
9:46 p.m.
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bph writes:
Reagan said "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, it's just they know so much that isn't so".
November 1, 2008
10:19 p.m.
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johna writes:
vote obama=stupid=major depression=terror attacks=do nothing obama=end of US congrats all you obama voters you just screwed the US
November 1, 2008
10:20 p.m.
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Chadley25 writes:
Well, Reagan said it, so you KNOW it must be gospel.
Frankly, if being liberal is an antidote to the incompetence we've seen parading around for the last 8 years, then sign me up. I'm beyond tired of the neocons' lame attempts to make "liberal" an insult. I'd be proud to be whatever the opposite of Bush & Co. are.
November 1, 2008
11:47 p.m.
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60s4ever writes:
Everybody wins if Obama wins and everybody loses if McCain wins. Making over $250,000, I would rather pay a little more in taxes on a lot more money than little taxes on little or no money. I would love to pay capital gains tax, because that would mean that I have some capital gains which are pretty rare these days. Just how bad does it have to get before people wake up?
November 2, 2008
12:36 a.m.
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awakenedcitizen writes:
Socialist, I don't think so. If the SOCIALISTS don't think so....
What Socialists say about Obama and McCain
Gloria LaRiva knows socialists. Not only is the 54-year-old Mission District resident a longtime socialist, she is running for president for under the 4 1/2-year-old Party for Socialism and Liberation.
Barack Obama, LaRiva says, you are no socialist. Not even close.
"Oh, no. We're diametrically opposed," LaRiva told The Politics Blog. And just for the record, John McCain isn't a socialist, either. Neither can be socialists for one simple reason.
"They represent capitalism," La Riva said. "You can't say 'We're for all of America.' There are two classes of America: The owners and the workers."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/s...
Socialist Candidate for President - Brian Moore
Brian Moore says Barack Obama is the furthest thing from a socialist candidate. (03:24)
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colb...
"It's misleading for Republicans to say that," the local peace activist and perennial candidate said Wednesday from his Spring Hill home. "They know (Obama's) not a socialist."
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/brian-...
November 2, 2008
1:30 a.m.
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Hola writes:
If you want more of what we've had over the past 8 years, War, bankruptcy, financial mismangement, vote McCain.
This election is not a difficult call - Vote Obama.
November 2, 2008
1:41 a.m.
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freemarketworks writes:
For all of you Obama supporters, watch the markets on Wednesday 11/5. The unwritten message to Wall Street will be “welcome to Leningrad.” When a Presidential candidate invites all Americans to take the day off, the message is “American commerce and productivity are meaningless; Uncle Sam is your new comrade and provider.” Granted, I was disturbed when the Clinton’s took siege; however, I’m horrified over the prospect of Obama and Biden taking control. I pray that our military commanders will have the good sense not to pay attention to these clowns. God help us…
November 2, 2008
2:21 a.m.
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Jack_Durden writes:
freemarket is funny... Obama won't have control till January... Bush sadly still runs this country till then
November 2, 2008
6:18 a.m.
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rushrulesbaby writes:
So who is Obama? All I have ever heard is rhetoric but nothing substantive. Reminds me of Adolfh Hitler.
November 2, 2008
7:15 a.m.
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EXrepublican writes:
rushrulesbaby,
you clearly are not a student of history nor of current events.
Intentional Ignorance explains your confusion.
dontbeafraid,
Why don't you move to Dubai with Cheney? or Brazil with Bush?
oh yeah republican peeons get Utah.
... and the horse you rode in on!
November 2, 2008
7:28 a.m.
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EXrepublican writes:
The latest endorsement of McSame..
http://link.brightcove.com/services/p...
November 2, 2008
8:09 a.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
EXrepublican, thanks for the link. Love it!
November 2, 2008
8:20 a.m.
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ghoax writes:
15% of Pueblo's population gathered to praise the messiah? In Pueblo? first glance at the crowd doesn't resemble a Pueblo crowd, wonder how congested the highways were with the duplicates from the Denver crowd.
November 2, 2008
8:41 a.m.
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KarlCheney writes:
Freemarketworks, You were scared when the Clinton's took siege, all that peace and prosperity. Were you more comfortable and better off under Bush? War, huge debts, financial crisis, terrorist attacks etc. I can see why Obama scares the hell out of you, my god how horrible it would be to go back to the Clinton years.
November 2, 2008
8:51 a.m.
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KarlCheney writes:
Where are all you Bush defenders now? I haven't heard the term "Bush derangement syndrome" for quite some time. He is still the President!!! Every time I posted something negative about Bush I would get the "Bush derangement syndrome" line back at me. I guess I was correct years ago when I predicted he would be the worst president in history, that he would break our country and steal the US treasury. He has not only stolen it now for his cronies but for years to come. You republicans can't distance yourselves far enough away from Bush. And now you want the American people to believe your party is now the party of change and the party to lead us in the right direction (away from Bush). Where is the guy who always wrote Bush would go down as one of the great American Presidents? I know Bush isn't running but he is still the leader of your party and responsible for the state we are in now. the buck stops with him (or I should say leaves with him).
November 2, 2008
9:02 a.m.
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FCZ writes:
Peggy Joseph Thinks She Won’t Need To Worry About Paying For Her Gas And Mortgage Under Barack Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6ikOx...
November 2, 2008
9:15 a.m.
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Nobama writes:
Here's an excerpt from a news article with an enlightening quote from the Messiah:
"For Obama, buoyed by record campaign donations and encouraging poll numbers, it was a time for soaring rhetoric and forays into Republican territory. "We have a righteous wind at our back," the Democrat said Saturday."
Well, this certainly sends chills up my back. And that's not a good thing.
November 2, 2008
9:22 a.m.
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Nobama writes:
KarlCheney writes:
"Where are all you Bush defenders now? I haven't heard the term "Bush derangement syndrome" for quite some time. He is still the President!!! Every time I posted something negative about Bush I would get the "Bush derangement syndrome" line back at me."
We're still here, Karl, but we're all tired of trying to confuse you Bush haters with the facts. Here's my stock Bush defense, if you are really interested, but I think you just want to rant.
Liberals must think the whole country hates Bush, just like they do. But, less than 4 years ago more than 64 million Americans voted to re-elect Bush. So, we could logically assume that these voters did not believe Bush was a “disaster” at that point in time, even after 9/11 and the Iraq War. Now, if you accept the current poll numbers, about 30% of Americans still “approve” of the job Bush is doing. Does that mean the remaining 70% agree with the Liberal premise? Well, I am in that 70% portion, but not for the same reasons as the Liberal hate mongers. I disapprove of Bush because he let his Conservative base down. He allowed a congress, controlled by Republicans, to spend without constraint. He appeased Democrats with education and new entitlement bills. He sponsored amnesty for illegal immigrants and he did not aggressively prosecute the war in Iraq. So, you have to logically assume that there is at least some component within the 70% disapproval factor who are like-minded Conservatives. Are we disappointed in Bush? Yes. Would we ever vote for Obama, a Socialist, instead of McCain. No. Now all you Liberals have to do is worry about whether that component is more than 20 %.
November 2, 2008
9:29 a.m.
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Nobama writes:
Oh, and Karl, about "the buck stops with him", i.e., Bush. Why is that a logical assumption?
American voters elevated Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, left-wing socialists, to “leadership” positions in 2006, under the guise of “change”. That allowed the likes of Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Charles Rangel, and Bob Byrd to assume committee “leadership”, along with similar ilk. Since then, we’ve seen consumer confidence go down, home equities go down, fuel prices go up. unemployment go up, inflation go up, home foreclosures go up, bankruptcies go up, and the stock market go down. But, they did hand out “free money” that they had to borrow. Obama is attracting his followers based upon a mantra of “Change”. Just how much more “change” do you think this country can stand?
November 2, 2008
9:32 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
FCZ,
I watched that clip - too funny! I'm assuming she meant that she thought gas prices would suddenly drop and she would be receiving huge tax credits so she would never have to worry about struggling to pay her bills. No matter who is elected, we will not see immediate "change".
November 2, 2008
9:37 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
The only immediate change we may experience is the stock market dive as freemarketworks is predicting. And I doubt Peggy Joseph has to worry about that.
November 2, 2008
9:54 a.m.
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ghoax writes:
hey o supporters, if you want it so bad, how about YOU pay the tax increase and YOU surrender your rights and freedoms and YOU pay for the ridiculous expansion of an oppressive government...then go get together in some liberal haven and secede. Sounds fair to me.
November 2, 2008
10 a.m.
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youshudknow writes:
As mentioned about Obama's ties, it's frightening reading about these phone banks in the Palestinian region for Obama - beyond his smooth rhetoric, he is the scariest candidate this country has ever seen: Read on:
Obama’s campaign may argue that there is no apparent direct link between the young Palestinian men and the Hamas terrorist organization. But the young phone-bankers have also received coverage from Ramattan, the Palestinian news agency, in what reads like a Hamas-generated anti-Israel press release.
Can anyone seriously believe that young Palestinian men are allowed free and easy access to operate an internet phone bank in the impoverished and violent Gaza Strip — and bring that effort to the attention of the international media — without Hamas’ knowledge and approval? The support that Barack Obama is receiving from avowed terrorist enemies of America should bother him. The fact that it does not bother him should bother us even more than the fact that terrorists see something in him that they really like.
November 2, 2008
10:13 a.m.
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KarlCheney writes:
Ghoax, How about you Bush supporters pay for the Iraq war! How about you Bush supporters pay for the national debt.
NoBama, Just how much of the same do you think this country can stand? Scared and frightened, that is what you are, how can we turn this country over to a socialist, Marxist that will just take your money and hand it out to everybody else. SCARY, be scared, keep that scary mantra going. What scares me is more of the same and Palin even close to the White House... Do I dislike Bush, more than I could ever express on this thread. I cringed every time he had to meet with a world leader. What would he say? How would he act? That was scary, thinking what may come out of Bush's mouth. I was a republican until I saw the complete turning of the party during the Clinton years, the millions wasted on investigations. Who writes a complete book on an affair between consenting adults, the republicans. I voted for Reagan and Bush 41. But after that I did vote for Clinton's second term feeling the cons economic policies were only good for a few.
November 2, 2008
10:14 a.m.
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jefferson3 writes:
These bush/mccain supporters are so angry. Reminds me of when I was a kid and the neighbor with the football tried to hold us all hostage threatening to take his ball home. Eventually, we ignored him, bought our own ball and had a blast. He whined a lot like these neo-cons. I guess you can't teach good manners.
November 2, 2008
10:14 a.m.
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ObiWan writes:
Maybe CU needs a "Chair of conservative studies" afterall....
CU employees have given 20X to Obama what they have to McCain
http://www.completecolorado.com/
November 2, 2008
10:17 a.m.
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glycerine831 writes:
LMAO!!!!! Palin Prank...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nGlFx...
November 2, 2008
10:19 a.m.
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KarlCheney writes:
Speaking of scary ties, it didn't seem to bother the republicans the years of Bush business dealings with the Bin Laden's. They were in business with the Bin Laden's (unrepentant terrorists) for years before 9/11. But William Ayers is much scarier then doing business with the Bin Laden's. What about Liddy endorsing McCain? One thing is for sure, I won't change your minds and you won't change mine. Accountability is always for the other guy with the republicans.
November 2, 2008
10:25 a.m.
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zygspytz writes:
bph writes:
Just wait til Obama The Hood and his Merry Men admit that they cannot deliver on their promises without taxing everyone much more.
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Kinda like Daddy Bush? "Read my lips.....no new taxes!!!"
November 2, 2008
10:28 a.m.
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KarlCheney writes:
NoBama,
Why isn't Bush out their stumping for McCain when as you state 70% voted for him (show me where you get this number). He is the sitting President of the same party you support running isn't he? Don't you want to see him out there talking up McCain? No? Is it because he is the most unpopular president ever? Is it because it would be political suicide for McCain to see Bush out their endorsing him? Of course it is, Bush is a disaster that will take this country years to recover from. You voted for him twice, anybody who voted for him twice has no real judgement. I guess that is why this race is still even close, so many people who will follow party lines no matter what. Letsthink states he would NEVER vote for a democrat no matter what. So if Hitler or Satan had an R in front of their names at least 25 to 30% would still vote for him.
November 2, 2008
10:33 a.m.
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KarlCheney writes:
Nobama, I apologize I re-read your post and got the 70% incorrect, you did not state that. you did state 64 million Americans voted to re-elect Bush. The 70% was the disapproval, my bad!!!!!!
November 2, 2008
11:39 a.m.
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Reason writes:
"Just wait til Obama The Hood and his Merry Men admit that they cannot deliver on their promises without taxing everyone much more. By then it will be too late"
You don't like paying more taxes? Such a virtue of selfishness.
Unity, Change, Hope, Taxes.
(If you don't like increased taxes, and you make more than 250k or 120k or whatever the middle class threshold ends up being to Barack "I make 5mil a year but see no reason to donate to charity, when I can spend it on myself" Obama, here's a tip I got from a successful surgeon of my acquaintance. Just work for as much of the year as it takes to almost hit that threshold, and then take a vacation til the next fiscal year, he's been doing it for quite a few years now)
November 2, 2008
12:01 p.m.
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FCZ writes:
Spreading the wealth.
Anyone who suggests that we need to rob Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.
November 2, 2008
12:12 p.m.
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Hola writes:
Spread the wealth. To me that means think about the less fortunate and try to help them just a bit, as opposed to the Republican point of view which is - get your crony buddies at Halliburton no bid contracts in wars largely faught by the poor who won't have health care when they come back.
Obama / Biden 2008.
November 2, 2008
12:17 p.m.
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Nobama writes:
KarlCheney writes:
NoBama,
"Why isn't Bush out their stumping for McCain. Is it because he is the most unpopular president ever? Of course it is, Bush is a disaster that will take this country years to recover from. You voted for him twice, anybody who voted for him twice has no real judgement. So if Hitler or Satan had an R in front of their names at least 25 to 30% would still vote for him."
Karl, you've got one of the best most hateful emotional Bush rants ever. I guess my logical anti-Bush rebuttal had not effect on you? You rejected it without even addressing the specific points. What part of the logic do you take issue with?
I know you will howl and scream, but, hypothetically, I'm betting you that 40% to 50% of the people in this country would vote for Bush AGAIN over Barack Hussein Obama. McCain is not the issue, and it's not about Republican, it's an opposition to a Socialist. You want change? But, you assume that change will be better without any basis, other than "hope" and "change". Well, I certainly "hope" the "change" will be better for the sake of the country. There truly is a problem with "judgment" in this country. It's a blind idealistic naive gullible unrealistic belief in Obama, the Messiah.
By the way, I really hope that Obama, aided and abetted by Pelosi and Reid get all this Socialist programs in place ASAP. That way you folks won't be able to blame everything on Bush when the next election rolls around.
November 2, 2008
12:20 p.m.
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daddyblt writes:
dontbeafraid writes:
Hey Obama,
Take your aunt back to Kenya & stay there with her!
Obama, go back to Kenya pretty please!
I am not afraid of anything other than the fact that it is 2008 and we still have people like you who are willing to shout garbage such as the above quotes. Not much different than the insults and racial slurs that were shouted at Blacks during the horrible 1950's and 60's...proving that we are not as far along as what we would like to think! Some people's worst nightmare is still anyone of color who has any amount of power no matter how great or small.
November 2, 2008
12:21 p.m.
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Hola writes:
Nobama, Bush passed a bill that gives billions to banks to reward them for complete failure. Sounds like socialism to me.
November 2, 2008
12:23 p.m.
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Dinty writes:
Barry Soetoro
At the age of 10, Barry was:
Living and attending school in Indonesia
Proclaimed to be the adopted son of Lolo Soetoro
Proclaimed to be a citizen of Indonesia
Proclaimed to be a Muslim
Thirty four years later, he is about to be elected the President of the United States? What an incredible story this is, but you won’t hear it from the main stream media. Why? Because he now goes by his birth name, Barack Hussein Obama.
You can rant all you want, but these are documented facts. I guess it just doesn’t matter to Obama’s mindless followers.
November 2, 2008
12:27 p.m.
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Beau writes:
Obama is going to let the Bush tax cuts expire, which means everyone who makes over $40,000 a year gets socked with new taxes.
Teachers, firefighters, cops, blue collar workers -- you're all going to pay lots more in taxes. You can laugh at the "rich" folks having to pay more while you pay $5.00 a gallon for milk (Dairy farmers are rich), $5.00 a gallon for gas (Oil companies are rich), and don't even think about having a plumbing problem!
The poor suffer when the government raises taxes. The poor suffer the most, and the ignorant saps who think that Obama is going to fill their gas tank and pay their rent have a very sad day coming soon.
If Obama wins, I'll have the satisfaction of knowing that liberals will suffer the most of all. While we conservatives know how to work hard and make do, liberals will whine for their government handouts and cry about their hardships. Don't cry to me, folks, you voted for this socialist idiot.
November 2, 2008
12:28 p.m.
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Nobama writes:
Hola writes:
"Nobama, Bush passed a bill that gives billions to banks to reward them for complete failure. Sounds like socialism to me."
Hola, I hate to resort to personal insults like the resident Liberal Support Group on this forum, but your post does expose your ignorance. Bush "signed" a 400 page bill that "passed" and submitted to him by a Democrat House and Senate. The original proposal from Bush was supposedly about 4 pages. I was personally opposed to the bill because I DO believe it was socialistic, But how in the world could you just blindly lay that off on Bush. That's just absurd. You've been listening too much to Karl.
November 2, 2008
12:30 p.m.
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HEBtommy writes:
Revealed on Drudge today and 30+ million have seen it. A cover up by the newspaper, San Francisco Chronicle Jan 2008 when Obama said he would bankrupt the coal industry. I wonder how all Americans working in the industry and their labor unions feel about this policy? I hope everyone in Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Wyoming, Montana, and Colorado sees this. They hid the tape and the transcript. The arrogance of this man is alarming. If he is elected I will figth everyday he is in office to make his tenure one term.
November 2, 2008
12:42 p.m.
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Hola writes:
Nobama - I assume Bush knows what he's signing. Also, the bank collapse happened on his watch. Lack of regulation, lead by this administration, lead to disaster. Bush needs to man up to his failings. Besides McCain supported this too so he's a socialist as well.
Beau - the Bush administration came in with a budget surplus and leaves with enourmous deficits - that we or future generations will have to pay for. Its the same as a tax except less honest.
The current administration is Republican and it is a failure of historic proportions. Time for change.
November 2, 2008
12:46 p.m.
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jefferson3 writes:
HEBtommy,
You must stop drinking the kool-aid of drudge and faux news.
November 2, 2008
12:51 p.m.
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Hola writes:
McCain - "I’m going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated."
The people who would be educating him, Phil Gramm and the like, are the supply side cranks who got us into the biggest financial disaster since the Great Depression.
As opposed to Warren Buffet, an Obama supporter and advisor.
Not exactly a tough call.
November 2, 2008
12:57 p.m.
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Hola writes:
Here's a clip with some of McCains more obvious snafu: http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/39179-m...
BTW, what is with Republicans? I get the impression they hate the English language, how else can you explain G. W. Bush and Sarah Palin and McCain?
November 2, 2008
1:27 p.m.
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freemarketworks writes:
How does Obama create jobs with a regressive tax plan? I've read and re-read the Obama plan, looking for any evidence that his policies won't destroy American businesses. I don't see anything in there that will grow and re-invigorate our economy. Since when has redistributing wealth to the middle-class and poor generate jobs? I say redistributing because approx. 38% of Obama’s 95% of Americans don’t pay income taxes to begin with.
On the other hand, McCain's tax policies are progressive. By reducing capital gains, his plan takes the weight off of entrepreneurs and small businesses to grow and expand technology based businesses. These are the guys and gals that are creating jobs in our economy; which has the effect of greatly increasing revenue collected by the government.
Please give me some specifics on what Obama's tax plans do to create long term, private sector jobs. Thanks!
November 2, 2008
1:42 p.m.
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jay writes:
freemarket....can you explain why you believe trying a twice failed policy like trickle down economics is the way to go again?
November 2, 2008
1:45 p.m.
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Hola writes:
Clinton administration - 2.9 Million Average Jobs per Year
GW Bush administration - 393,000 Average Jobs per Year.
Bush's tax cuts did nothing in terms of job creation.
Redistributing wealth to already rich bankers probably does alot for the economy of St Barts though.
November 2, 2008
1:49 p.m.
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FCZ writes:
A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.
A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.
From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
Alexander Fraser Tytler ?
November 2, 2008
1:55 p.m.
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Nobama writes:
It’s hard not to react to all of the derogatory insults hurled at McCain/Palin, based mostly upon their personal characteristics and attributes. The Libs can dish it out, but can they take it? No. Anything similar aimed at Obama is met with cries of “hateful racist” or “bigot”. Well, that’s just not “fair”, and “fairness” has become a watchword for the Obama cult. For instance, I notice that Obama is campaigning in Ohio today. Gee, given his Kenyan ethnicity and slender build, I assumed he have been in New York City running the marathon. Though, come to think of it, he may still be a smoker. That’s only one of the many personal things we don’t know about him, and it’s just not politically correct to bring it up. I guess we’ll find out a lot more after he’s President?
November 2, 2008
2:03 p.m.
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Dinty writes:
jay writes:
"freemarket....can you explain why you believe trying a twice failed policy like trickle down economics is the way to go again?"
Hey, there's "AFLAC" jay back again. Spoken like a true socialist, Jay. You didn't get enough personal "trickle" so you think the capitalistic system of government doesn't work? And your alternative? Why, lets just take some of that "trickle" away from those "rich" folks and those evil corporations and "spread the wealth". How long do you think that can work for you? Let's just squeeze the neck of that old goose that laid the golden egg and see how long it lives. I guess we can always try communal farms and factories.
November 2, 2008
2:11 p.m.
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Hola writes:
Yeah, if Obama is elected we'll be trillions of dollars in debt and the financial sector will experience the biggest crisis ever. Oh wait, that already happened. Those sneaky socialists!
November 2, 2008
2:14 p.m.
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Dinty writes:
Hola writes:
"Clinton administration - 2.9 Million Average Jobs per Year
GW Bush administration - 393,000 Average Jobs per Year.
Bush's tax cuts did nothing in terms of job creation."
Hola, how about you tell us all if total nonfarm domestic jobs is a higher number now than when Bush took office? How about you tell us what the unemployment rate is today versus an average of the Clinton terms? How about you tell us if total homeownership is still higher today than when Bush took office? According to you Libs, we're experiencing a financial disaster. You've been listening to the Democrat "leadership" and news media "chicken little" stuff for too long.
November 2, 2008
2:23 p.m.
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Hola writes:
Dinty, try google.
If you like the current financial state of the union, by all means, McCain is the guy for you.
The 700,000 people who lost there jobs this year might not though. Those Bush tax cuts didn't do anything for them.
November 2, 2008
2:35 p.m.
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freemarketworks writes:
I was hoping for an intelligent and thoughtful answer to my questions. In any case, Kennedy’s investment in the space race and Reagan’s investment in the defense industry were both ways to create high-paying jobs that also created new technologies to be built and taken over by the private sector (we can argue about regulation and oversight, I think it is needed).
Currently, Obama, like Carter now seeks to punish creativity, initiative and investment to support social spending. He speaks of an energy economy; however, his policies take a regressive approach to taxation. As long as there are no incentives for businesses to create, invest and grow, we’ll continue our slide.
As for you people that hate George W. Bush, the Bush administration inherited the dot-com bust, 9/11 and now the mortgage bust. The Bush tax refunds did somewhat help; however, those tax cuts could have been better placed.
With a little vision, I think the administration would have been better off to cut taxes in the areas of capital gains and other regressive taxes placed on businesses; as opposed to personal tax breaks and refund checks to the middle and lower class. Although, lowering capital gains and using other tax incentives would have never passed through the Democrat-controlled House and Senate.
November 2, 2008
2:57 p.m.
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Hola writes:
Bush didn't really cut taxes, he just expanded the deficit, which basically means pushing the debt along to the future.
Clinton was able to balance the budget, Bush should have been able to as well. No excuses.
November 2, 2008
3:38 p.m.
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Kukulcan writes:
@ freemarketworks
The latest update from the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), in September reports the total notional amount of outstanding derivatives in all categories rose 15% to a mindboggling $596 TRILLION as of December 2007.
http://www.bis.org/publ/qtrpdf/r_qa08...
To grasp just how large a number this is, consider that the value of all goods and services produced in the USA equals about $14 trillion annually, according to World Bank data.
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DA...
This means that the notional amount of outstanding derivatives equals over 42 times the GDP of the USA!
Given that REPUBLICANS have been in power the last 8 years, can you articulate exactly how this can be construed as the "free market"?
This GOP nostrum strikes me more as cronyism with its most salient feature being...
WALL STREET WELFARE QUEENS!
November 2, 2008
3:44 p.m.
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ghoax writes:
if you don't count the Denver and Ft. Collins crowd told to go down there...Obama preached to a crowd of say...50?
November 2, 2008
3:51 p.m.
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Kukulcan writes:
Since September 30, the day the national debt hit the $10-trillion mark for the first time, the government has run up over $500 billion in new debt.
That’s more than the federal deficit for the entire 2008 fiscal year, which ended September 30. And it’s the most rapid increase in the national debt ever: over half a trillion dollars in less than a month - 23 days to be exact
National Debt Soars $500B In Under A Month
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/1...
Outstanding US debt as of November 2, 2008
$10.5 TRILLION
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
The estimated population of the United States is 305,022,766 so each citizen's share of this debt is $34,562.99.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $3.83 billion per day since September 28, 2007!
GOP = WALL ST WELFARE QUEENS, HATRED, RACISM, WAR MONGERING, MOUNTAINS OF DEBT, GREAT DEPRESSION 2, INCOMPETENCE, LIES!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmUUYo...
OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!
November 2, 2008
3:53 p.m.
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Hola writes:
Kukulan, well said. I don't understand how people can hate taxes but not mind that debt. Guess they want their kids to pay for everything. That's not my idea of patriotism.
November 2, 2008
3:55 p.m.
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Kukulcan writes:
@ freemarketworks
Since September 30, the day the national debt hit the $10-trillion mark for the first time, the government has run up over $500 billion in new debt.
That’s more than the federal deficit for the entire 2008 fiscal year, which ended September 30. And it’s the most rapid increase in the national debt ever: over half a trillion dollars in less than a month - 23 days to be exact
National Debt Soars $500B In Under A Month
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/1...
Outstanding US debt as of November 2, 2008
$10.5 TRILLION
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
The estimated population of the United States is 305,022,766 so each citizen's share of this debt is $34,562.99.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $3.83 billion per day since September 28, 2007!
Is this the FREE MARKET?
Why would Americans vote for more of this?
Borrow and Spend?
GO BARACK GO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmUUYo...
November 2, 2008
4:09 p.m.
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Kukulcan writes:
Opps, sorry for the double post everybody...
@ Hola;
Too many republicans are so blinded by partisanship, they cannot see the forest because they are obsessed with a few trees!
Exhibit A = freemarketworks
I suspect most of us would agree that the free market works, but what the GOP has delivered is far from a free market.
GOP = BORROW AND SPEND
November 2, 2008
4:20 p.m.
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freemarketworks writes:
So let's tax business and industry to death? Where's the incentive go create, grow and thrive? Again, I fully conceed your points on fair regulaions and oversight; although, excessive taxes on those that create jobs and wealth is purely regressive.
November 2, 2008
4:31 p.m.
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Hola writes:
At what level does taxation become 'taxation to death'? I work, I create, and I am happy to pay my dues to make this country safe and orderly.
November 2, 2008
4:41 p.m.
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jay writes:
"Currently, Obama, like Carter now seeks to punish creativity, initiative and investment to support social spending"
nope.
this is what's called a "strawman argument", feemarket.
nice try though.
i'd be happy to go over those bush vs. clinton numbers....they're not flattering to the far right cause....and are a very good indicator of how mccain's policy platform would compare against an obama platform...as they are nearly identical, respectively, to their party-specific counterparts.
again...i just don't think you, nor dinty (although she does more pouting about it) can justify a vote to continue twice failed trickle down economic policies...considering the track record of the alternative.
November 2, 2008
4:43 p.m.
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freemarketworks writes:
Hola, I guess that level varies from business to business; however, I would say that when a business can no longer afford the goods, services and labor to compete, the level of taxation has killed the business.
Likewise, when a business can operate in a place like Ireland, India, China or South Korea at substantially higher profit margins, I would say that taxation has chased that business off-shore.
Like you, I create and am happy to pay my dues; however, if those "dues" are assessed and used in a conservative manner, the U.S. could thrive by letting the private sector create a much larger tax base.
November 2, 2008
4:49 p.m.
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Hola writes:
Business's can operate at a higher profit in China cause people who work there get paid less. A lot less.
Obama believes we shouldn't give preferential tax treatment to companies that move overseas. Sounds reasonable to me.
The private sector isn't perfect. When banks came begging to be saved by the government, I have to say I lost a little faith in the private sector.
November 2, 2008
5:13 p.m.
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jay writes:
hola brings up a great point.
why should we give corporate welfare to companies yoked to the backs of the american middle class if they choose to take their jobs overseas?
then begs the question...how long do we continue to hemorrhage jobs until we work with our trade partners to homogonize labor practices?
November 2, 2008
5:13 p.m.
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allelsefollows writes:
A confession posted on FARK.com from an Obama staffer. I had to remove some of it so it would fit. Check it out:
The internal campaign idea is to twist, distort, humiliate and finally dispirit you.We pay people and organize people to go to all the online sites and “play the part of a clinton or mccain supporter who just switched our support for obama.” We do this to stifle your motivation and to destroy your confidence.We did this the whole primary and it worked.
Sprinkle in mass vote confusion and it becomes bewildering. Most people lose patience and just give up on their support of a candidate and decide to just block out tv, news, websites, etc.This surprisingly has had a huge suppressing movement and vote turnout issues.
Next, we infiltrate all the blogs and all the youtube videos and overwhelm the voting, the comments, etc. All to continue this appearance of overwhelming world support. People makes posts to the effect that the world has “gone mad”Thats the intention. To make you feel stressed and crazy and feel like the world is ending. We have also had quite a hand in skewing many many polls, some we couldn’t control as much as we would have liked. But many we have spoiled over. Just enough to make real clear politics look scarey to a mccain supporter. Its worked, alough the goal was to appear 13-15 points ahead.see, the results have been working. People tend to support a winner, go with the flow, become “sheeple”The polls are roughly 3-5 points in favor of Barack. Thats due to our inflation of the polls and pulling in the sheeple.
Our donors, are the same people who finance the MSM. Their interests are tied, Barack then tends to come across as teflon. Nothing sticks. And trust, there were meetings with Fox news. The goal was to blunt them as much as possible. Watch Bill Oreilly he has become much more diplomatic and “fair and balanced” and soft. Its because he wants to retain the #1 spot on cable news and to do that he has to have access to the Obama campaign and we worked hard at stringing him a long and keeping him soft for an interview swap. It worked and now he is anticipating more access. So he is playing it still soft.This is why nothing sticks.The operation is massive, the goal is to paint a picture that is that of a winner, regardless of the results.There is no true inauguration draft or true grant park construction going on. There will be a party, but we are boasting beyond the truth to make it seem like the election is wrapped up.
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Don't give it to him. Make him steal it.
November 2, 2008
5:30 p.m.
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jay writes:
follows, i wondered when someone would cut and that latest myth to hit the far religious right blogs...
http://bibchr.blogspot.com/2008/10/co...
seriously though, i've got some beach front property in kansas if you're interested....
November 2, 2008
5:44 p.m.
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Speak writes:
"I get the impression they hate the English language, how else can you explain G. W. Bush and Sarah Palin and McCain?"
I get the impression you should not be speaking
The best of dem there Democrap
Barney frank the extortionist: He should swallow before he speaks
Nobama: whom should never attempt to speak without first being prompted
Mr. Brain Bleed Joe Biden....enough said
And now we have to adapt to Ebonics being the nations English
dumbing down of America brought to you by the NOBama supporters
Samples for your enjoyment:
Responses to "Barack Obama: Savior of the Republican Party?"
Article Posted on Ebony/Jet
11.01.08 at 10:06 PM, ms. vette says:
“all these damed white racest. i know they had beeter stay off a black web site”
11.02.08 at 1:14 AM, Shellock says:
“Barack Obama will probably be named President Elect of the USAin about 72 hours. Thiswill bea highly significant event African American history. It will rank with the Emancimation Proclamation, Desetgration of Public Education, and The Voting Rights Act.Most Africation will say to their grandchildren, "I worked for that." Sadly others will say, " I woked against it." Sad”
Responses to “Judge Drops Lawsuit Challenging Obama’s Qualifications for President” Article posted on Essence
“You right the devil is alive..that is humans..of course you know that black people always got to be perfect..and white people dont understand..black people are naturally intelligent..white people got to learn how..they dont like it..but blacks will be on top before the end” Posted at 10/29/2008
Responses to ESSENCE Exclusive photos of Barack Obama's Campaign
“elaine>sorry, but i'm self employed, ain't got no coworkers”
Posted at 2:40PM on November 2nd 2008 by Anita
“may the wandafull god blessed obama,and burn those who haght,lucke well always bee with u,hop u can make the world a happy place,surte hermano”Posted at 12:30PM on November 2nd 2008 by jacob gowan
“anita sounds suspiciously like a BIG FAT FUNKY coworker of mine by the same name...who asked rhetorically why Black rappers use such filth in their music (Duh because the white kids buy it)” Posted at 8:15AM on November 2nd 2008 by Elaine
"Black Cherry FoolAid---50 cents a cup" Posted at 9:49AM on October 31st 2008 by Anita
Hola back!……JackA..
November 2, 2008
6:36 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
omg Speak at 5:44....those quotes are hilarious!
November 3, 2008
7:43 a.m.
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campesino60 writes:
Barry Obama admits to dual citizenship! And his tia Zeituni is undocumented, too! Thank you Colorado!! Amensty is on the horizon that will set my people free from bondage.
From the slauter houses of Greely to the promise lands of America;
SI SE PUEDA and we did!!
November 3, 2008
8:37 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
"Amensty is on the horizon that will set my people free from bondage. "
Are you kidding me? Who are "your" people? We have been enslaving illegal aliens? We are forcing them to come to the US and not allowing them to leave? The ones who pay taxes to support those people are the ones enslaved. Or maybe you are rejoicing so "your" people will be able to be positive contributors to our society after amnesty.
November 3, 2008
9:15 a.m.
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campesino60 writes:
Si, Heidi.
It's called economic slavery.
Employers keep wages low intentionally and that leaves foreign nationals no choice but to come to America for a better living.
And I'm rejoicing on both of your points.
Don't forget they are "your" people, tambian.
The next time you're in a Mcdonalds, lodo eatery, or pass a constuction site those are not hard working Americans...
Illegal immigrants pays taxes as well as in consumer taxes, payroll taxes and social security that like us may never see.
November 3, 2008
9:29 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
campesino,
I have a hunch no one will see anything they contribute to social security! Yes, there are many illegals who pay payroll taxes, but there are many who don't. There are also many citizens who avoid paying taxes. I don't appreciate anyone who cheats the system, including the rich corporate execs.
I guess you just got to me when you said "my people".
November 3, 2008
9:48 a.m.
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campesino60 writes:
Heidi, it's a trickle down effect with all involved pointing fingers at each other.
"My people" is a personal possesive term.
Beacuse my people are my relatives, my friends, my neighbors,
my community. As well as are the people I've served in the health community for the past 15 years. I don't like to see the system cheated also, but with a wink, wink, and a nod, the "system" is obsolete. Some things will never change.
November 3, 2008
7:55 p.m.
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FCZ writes:
Spread The Wealth Around
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnU78Z...