Space alien video lands in Denver: Was it real or fake?
By Bill Scanlon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published May 30, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.
Updated May 30, 2008 at 3:45 p.m.
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A still image of the video, handed out by presenters, shows the purported space alien, peeking over the window sill in the center of the photo.
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Jeff Peckman, left, watches the media to make sure they are not filming a video clip of a purported figure of an extraterrestrial in a window that he showed to help his argument as he sponsors a Denver ballot initiative to organize an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission , holds a press conference at the Tivoli Student Center in Denver, Friday.
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Sotero Burciaga, 35, right signs a pertition for Jeff Peckman, center, who is sponsoring a Denver ballot initiative to organize an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission , after a press conference at the Tivoli Student Center in Denver, Friday.
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Media prepare for a press conference as Jeff Peckman continues to fight for a Denver ballot initiative to organize an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission , holds a press conference at the Tivoli Student Center in Denver.
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Jeff Peckman
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Skeptic Randy Bancroft attended the news conference.
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Media cameras lined up. While no actual video footage is allowed to be recorded, still photos might be allowed.
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Actual screen where space alien video appeared.
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Claude Swanson, a physicist from Virginia, said he's been familiar with the video for years. "I gradually became persuaded there was something real going on here."
The eyes of the world were on Denver today for the showing of a video that purports to show a space alien. Live transmissions and recordings of the video were not allowed. The Rocky's Bill Scanlon blogged live.
3:45 p.m.Several dozen people were in attendance today at the Tivoli on the Aurara campus in Denver. What did they see?
A classic E.T.-like creature, about 4 feet tall, with a narrow chin, a broad forehead and almond eyes.
Some people claimed to see its eyes and muscles move during the roughly two-minute video, which was briefly screened for reporters and the public at the Auraria campus today.
A skeptic said the being has a suspicious similarity to "Grey," the creature depicted in the classic 1957 movie "Earth vs. The Flying Saucers."
2:13 p.m. A Denver man Thursday night spent five hours and $90 creating a hoax video of a space-alien-looking creature peering through a window (click here to watch).
It looks eerily like the space alien video shown to the media today by a man who wants the city of Denver to create an extraterrestrial commission to welcome visitors from distant galaxies.
Believers in the Nebraska space alien video said the creature moved its eyes and muscles — and you can't just fake that unless you're a Hollywood special-effects expert and have thousands of dollars, they say.
Yes you can, said Bryan Bonner, a member of the Rocky Mountain Paranormal Research Society, which normally investigates claims of haunted houses.
Bonner says his group normally ignores the claims of UFO buffs, but when he realized that Jeff Peckman was asking for taxpayer dollars to form a commission, he figured he should do something.
"When we heard Peckman was going to show the video to the media, I said, 'I'll bet it's the Romanek video,'" he said, referring to the video that Colorado Springs resident Stan Romanek said he made on the night on July 17, 2003, at his home in Nebraska.
Thursday, Peckman announced that indeed it was the Romanek video.
So, Bonner got together five members of the society Thursday night.
"We started production about 8 p.m.," he said.
"We rented ourselves a 4-foot-tall foam latex alien" from a costume shop, said Bonner, who saw the Romanek video six months ago. "We were going to buy one, but I didn't want to blow the $230."
"They started rolling the video and moving the puppet up, down, around and sideways.
They sent the video from the camera straight into a computer, and one of the computer geeks used 3-D animation graphics to make the puppet's eyes seem to move, he said. "We gave him a couple little blinks."
The result was a ghost-like creature that looks slightly more animated than the one in Romanek's video.
"What they're claiming would take thousands of dollars and a lot of time ... we pulled the whole thing off for $90 and in five or six hours," he said.
Bonner said, "It's so amazing that anyone would believe that video is a real space alien. And it's so frustrating to see that they want to use city time and tax dollars on this."
12:33 p.m. Shannon Mundell, of Arvada, said she wanted to see the video because she's known people who have had contact with aliens and "when you look in their eyes you know that what they saw was real."
She said that other countries are more accepting of ET's, but that "in America, we just want to deny it."
Mundell said the video of the creature in the window "was very interesting."
"I can't say exactly what it was, but I think there's a good chance it was real.
"I saw the muscles moving and the eyes moving."
She said it was unlikely it was just a puppet because "only in Hollywood can they make such realistic-looking puppets and they cost thousands of dollars.
"It's very unlikely that Stan would have done something like that."
She said the video needs to be investigated further.
Mundell thinks that if there are aliens among us, and they are peaceful, "It would be wonderful for them to interact with our world and teach us their technologies."
She is worried, though, that if there's conclusive proof of aliens it would cause a lot of emotional suffering from people whose religious beliefs aren't compatible with intelligent life from another galaxy.
12:24 p.m. Jeff Peckman, the man trying to form an extraterrestrial commission in Denver, told the audience it's time to take extraterrestrial life seriously.
"It's time to get ahead of the curve," he said, adding that some high government officials in other countries and some retired military officers in the U.S. are among the believers.
He said even some Vatican officials say it's not incompatible for Roman Catholics to believe in extraterrestrials.
"They're our brothers -- God's creatures," Peckman said.
12:04 p.m. The presentation lasted about an hour and the video itself was a few minutes long.
Randy Bancroft and fellow skeptic Bela Scheiber found it interesting that the creature was never seen from below the neck.
"It looks like the quintessential Grey, right out of E.T.," Scheiber said.
Bancroft added, "Like with Alfred Hitchcock, it was what he didn't show you that was the key."
Audience members wanted to know why the creature traveled all those light years just to peep in a window.
"I have no idea," said Alejandro Rojas, a moderator from the Mutual UFO Network International, who said more investigation of this film needs to be done.
Other audience members asked why the government seems to be keeping evidence of UFOs secret.
Rojas, the education coordinator for the Mutual UFO Network, said perhaps the government feels the public isn't ready to see the truth.
The presenters of the video said it's been reviewed by experts who say there are no post-production add-ons, but Scheiber says that misses the point. The key is to find out whether the original video was a hoax. He noted many hoaxes in the past were perpetrated by teenagers and found it interesting that the Nebraska man -- Stan Romanek, now of Colorado Springs -- had two teenage daughters.
11:59 a.m. The film showed a window, reportedly 8 feet off the ground in a rural Nebraska town in 2003.
It was shot by the homeowner, who had earlier reported seeing UFOs hovering above his house.
This time, he said he set up a camera because he feared a peeping tom was spying on his two teenage daughters.
In the enhanced version of the video, a creature pops up in the window, looks around, and pops back down, again and again.
To skeptic Randy Bancroft, the creature looks a lot like the seminal "Grey," the creature in the 1957 movie "Earth vs. The Flying Saucers," which has a narrow chin, a broad forehead and almond eyes, not too different from the friendly alien in "E.T."
11:45 a.m. The drama must be intense down at Auraria. Hold the phone, because we should hear from our fearless correspondent shortly. Peckman was expected to keep a tight rein on the video and other live transmissions from the scene. No cause for alarm, we think.
11 a.m. Joanne Almeida, of Englewood, is at the film screening because, "I've seen things in my life.
"I feel a lot of people are arrogant" in their dismissal of UFOs and the paranormal, she said.
"Instead of being open-minded, they make jokes."
"They're arrogant to think this is silly and a waste of time when there are so many other things that are silly and a waste of time."
Almeida said she thinks a lot of this is tied in with oil.
"People in the high circle of politics are very greedy," she said.
"I believe there are a lot of alternative fuels that the politicians are hiding. Maybe that's the kind of thing they're trying to tell us."
Bela Scheiber, a member of the Rocky Mountain Skeptics, said "photoshop has come a long way."
He said it's no great trick to project an image on a video, given that two girls in England fooled the world about fairies 90 years ago.
He noted that a man who faked a photo of the Lochness monster confessed to it on his deathbed and that more than one person has admitted to faking signs of Big Foot.
Scheiber predicted that Jeff Peckman will show an ambiguous video and then "cherry pick the things that he wants to show the audience.
"And of course we'll cherry pick the things that we want to show the audience."
10:30 a.m. Claude Swanson, a physicist from Virginia, was the first to show up at the news conference in the Tivoli on the Auraria campus.
He said he'll talk for a few minutes about "how time travel is theoretically possible."
"There have been some faster-than-light propagations in the labs," he maintained. "There are lots of reasons to be open-minded about these things."
He said he's been familiar with the Colorado Springs video for years.
"The first year I was pretty cautious," he said. "I gradually became persuaded there was something real going on here."
6 a.m.
A proposal to create a commission that would prepare Denver for space aliens has turned the eyes of the world on the Mile High City.
From CNN to NTV in Moscow to the Daily Mail in London, news organizations worldwide are scrambling to land an interview with Jeff Peckman, who is sponsoring a ballot initiative to create an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission in Denver.
"I've got about four or five interviews already, and I'm in discussion with Inside Edition, Good Morning America, Fox national news and a Moscow TV station that wants to send a team,"Peckman, 54, said Thursday.
His phone kept ringing all day.
"NBC national wanted me in five different time slots tomorrow on different programs. I took three of them," Peckman said Thursday afternoon.
Later in the day, Peckman said he might appear on Larry King.
The media bombardment was triggered by a report on RockyMountainNews.com Wednesday in which Peckman said that a video purportedly showing a living extraterrestrial would be shown at a news conference today.
The story generated hundreds of thousands of hits.
"It's just an interesting story because you do have a lot of people who believe there is superior life, if you will, or another life form out there, other than ours," said Adrienne Wheeler, a producer for The Early Show on CBS News. "There's a huge following for this, as I'm sure you know," said Wheeler, who believes there is intelligent life outside of Earth.
Paul Thompson, a Florida-based correspondent for the Daily Mail in London, said the newspaper, which has a circulation of about 2.5 million, asked him to check out what was happening in Denver.
"In England, there was a big story recently where the government declassified certain files and it was all the UFO sightings," he said. "I think everyone is interested in UFOs."
Well, not everyone.
Denver City Councilman Charlie Brown said people can believe what they want, but the attention "is not very favorable to our city."
"Suddenly we're getting more national and international attention on this issue than the DNC," he said, referring to the Democratic National Convention in August.
"In some respects, it's a welcome relief amidst all the polarizing politics that we have," he said. "That's probably good, but it just doesn't bode well for our city."
--Daniel Chacon
Famous aliens
*E.T. , star of Steven Spielberg's 1982 blockbuster.
Made the phrase "phone home" an all-purpose part of the English lexicon.
*Close Encounters of the Third Kind aliens. Another Spielberg creation, they bear a familial resemblance to E.T.
*Yoda. One of the stars of Star Wars, the original Yoda was the creation of Jim Henson of Muppets fame. Yoda helped turn references to "The Force" into an everyday phrase.
*The Roswell alien. This alien's ship is said to have crashed near Roswell, N.M., where upon government officials allegedly suppressed the evidence. The official story? The wreckage was that of a weather balloon. The incident provided the inspiration for the founding of the Roswell International UFO Museum. roswellufomuseum.com
*The Mars Attacks aliens. The gnome-sized aliens are also vicious. Most violent fictional aliens are at least human height, and some are much bigger.
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May 30, 2008
4:38 a.m.
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goose writes:
Of course the whole world wants to watch - nothing is more entertaining than idiocy!
May 30, 2008
6:27 a.m.
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Vector049 writes:
Aliens are a dime a dozen in North Denver. I suggest they repair Denver's streets and fill the potholes first.
May 30, 2008
6:35 a.m.
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elkman writes:
The bigger the lie, the more believable it becomes. Show me the proof!
May 30, 2008
6:40 a.m.
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vudumom writes:
What really ticks me off about this total nonsense is, the money that is being wasted on this idiot. Tax payers are suppose to fund his insanity and of course Denver can't say no when it comes to someones stupidity. This guy is a loser and wants his 15 mins of fame. Once again Colorado is portrayed in a not so good way, but that seems to be par for the course in the past few years. It is not good for tourism except if someway Colorado can get more looneies to come here thinking this is where the invasion will be because after all we will be ready for it, right? Just what Colorado needs, more crazy people.
May 30, 2008
7:01 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
It is sad to see these comments. Soon, there will be a day where denial is in the past, and we are a galactic society. Stop thinking little green men, and start thinking Galactic Humans - we are an evolved species which populates almost 40% of the Universe; we on Earth have been controlled and dumbed down for thousands of years. 9/11 happened on the same day that NESARA was supposed to be announced, for the sole reason of stoping the announcment. Wonderful prosperity and abundance of joy are right around the corner! Thank you for helping the rise in conciousness Mr.Peckman.
~We are the ones we've been waiting for~
Google: Glalactic Federation of Light
NESARA.US - a bill which will eliminate all dept and return the constitution to its original ways
May 30, 2008
7:02 a.m.
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mock writes:
it's a sad day when people forget about red lectroids invading by way of the eighth dimension. where's buckaroo bonzai when we need him?
May 30, 2008
7:03 a.m.
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Batman writes:
Where can one find the "evidence". I would like to see what all the press coverage is about.
May 30, 2008
7:15 a.m.
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elkman writes:
Love_light_peace:
I think you have been watching too many "Star War" episodes. There is reality and there is fiction. Wake up.
May 30, 2008
7:29 a.m.
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ColoNative writes:
Love_Light_Peace:
Come back inside now and take your next dose of thorazine. You'll be ok in a few minutes.
OK, everybody. Show's over.
That is, for all of you who don't have to pay the tax bill since you have left Colorado because all of the transplanted Californian fruit and nutcases. YOU are stuck with the bill vis a vis your taxes.
May 30, 2008
8:06 a.m.
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TheFatManRocks writes:
I kind of can't believe these comments!
You don't believe that we are being visited by extra-terrestrials?
Do a little research...
The evidence is actually very overwhelming if you look for it!
Almost every other country has acknowledged this fact already...
Even the Vatican is now saying that it's ok to believe in ET's.
Almost all of our astronauts that went to the moon have come forward!
Do a little digging...It's there!
May 30, 2008
8:12 a.m.
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John_Galt writes:
Weird and dangerous aliens are coming to Denver!
Look for them between August 23-28th at the Pepsi Center.
You'll be able to detect their leader by his terrible B.O.
May 30, 2008
8:18 a.m.
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mcottier writes:
Exactly TheFatManRocks, these people think just because Aliens are always in movies, then they have to be fake. What they don't realize is reports and evidence of Aliens have been around long before movies, comic books and more have written about them. So their logic is backward.
Also, you would think when people saw the first images from the Hubble Space Telescope, and the thousands that have come afterwards, that they would realize how big this universe is and to think we are alone is much more idiotic than believing in Aliens.
May 30, 2008
8:19 a.m.
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sunshinestate writes:
While eyes were gazing upward to the heavens in search of a certain kind of alien the "illegal" alien invasion proved simply classic. The current shift of 'press' emphasis in Colorado away from it's pressing problems of growth,energy development impacts,water supply,ag lands and expanding race problems to the current alien episode once again putting Colorado on the national scene (It is amazing,the amount of bad news the country heard....)sets the stage perfectly for the next step of the invasion: The interior west is to become the energy development/supply worker drone region for the country.The invasion is now so complete that the average 'Rocky' reader would be hard pressed to alter what the rest of the nation is hearing...and thinking....about "colorful" Colorado.
May 30, 2008
8:38 a.m.
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elkman writes:
TheFatManRocks:
Once again, show me the proof. Where are the space ships? Where are the bodies of these so-called aliens? How can every government in every country in the world cover this kind of thing up? You are talking about a world wide government cover-up. Thousands upon thousands of people would have to be involved. Where is there any evidence of any average citizen actually owning a piece of a space ship? Give me a break.
May 30, 2008
8:46 a.m.
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Buckwheat writes:
We're the most advanced species in the universe? Now there's something to be truly afraid of..And I thought I was closed minded....
May 30, 2008
8:55 a.m.
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Baxter writes:
I want to clear up some confusion. First off, I don't think anyone is saying that life doesn't exist "out there." I also want to state that the "evidence" linked from khow's page are reproductions done by my group (Rocky Mountain Paranormal). We have seen the secret footage and reproduced it since the "expert" claimed it would be so hard and cost thousands to do so. It took us one evening and less than $100. That includes the rental of the alien and the cost of the domain name.
The video that is premiering today is super secret because it is designed to hype Stan Romanek's upcoming documentary. We have investigated him for years now and his evidence is fake. I stake my life on it.
May 30, 2008
9 a.m.
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me2 writes:
What a bunch of sour pickles. This is fun, remember fun?
May 30, 2008
9:01 a.m.
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freedomfighter1 writes:
This won't be good for the pot initiatives. Now everyone will think were all crazy stoners.
May 30, 2008
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love_light_peace writes:
you've all been fed disinformation quite well. And it's not just Mr.Bush who's done the feeding. Think for a sec; the Universe is billions of years old...our 13000 year history is just a speck of time.....give ONE species an extra 1000 years of extra evolution(also just a speck), and they would be where we would be in 1000 years - technologically advanced and searching the stars - it's not hard to believe if you have an open mind. But to each there own - to all those waiting for ships overhead; soon you'll have to believe
May 30, 2008
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Jack_Ryan writes:
Isn't it amazing that the people of Denver would rather spend $$$ on supposed "alien life forms" from other galaxies and turn a blind eye to the real aliens here illegally from other countries...
May 30, 2008
9:15 a.m.
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TheFatManRocks writes:
Elkman,
It just so happens that there are occurences that happen and you just don't get concrete proof of it.
It doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.
You said that thousands of people couldn't cover something up?
What about the thousands of Politicians (including ex-presidents), Military officials, Pilots, Astronauts etc... that have come forward with what they know. Do you think they are all lying? Their reputations and careers are at stake.
If you already had the kind of concrete proof that you're talking about, we wouldn't even be having this debate!
But, trust me, you'll have it someday...
May 30, 2008
9:18 a.m.
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elkman writes:
I don't believe in the tooth fairy, or the easter bunny. Guess I am a non-believer. Where is your hard evidence, love_light_peace?
My guess is that you are a conspiracy theory type of guy. Always looking for something to believe in.
May 30, 2008
9:24 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
try to explain massive two-acre crop circles composed of hundreds of circles that are geometrically precise, and the crops are not broken - but bent at 90 degree angles, and grow faster* NOT OUR TECHNOLOGY
TheFatManRocks - you got the right idea my friend
May 30, 2008
9:27 a.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
Here's the REAL conspiracy:
Space aliens are already among us. They were sent here to prevent us ornery Earthlings from spreading into their space. Their plan is to retard our advancement as a civilization. It has been a very successful plan so far. The hostile space aliens have prevented humanity from providing everyone with a nutritious diet, adequate education, a clean healthy environment, and medicine to sustain strong bodies and agile brains.
Under their plan to destroy humanity, these hostile space aliens have deployed a number of successful methods. Here are just a few of them:
1. War
This stops humans from uniting on common purposes and tricks them into wasting their resources fighting each other. Evil space aliens then just sit back and laugh at us while we murder each other...saves them from having to do the dirty work.
2. Implantation of Impostors
Hostile space aliens morph into human form and take over positions of control. They exploit hierarchical organizations in human society to get control over people by practicing law and taking executive positions. They don't actually care about the money. They just want to make sure they take as much as possible away from people who might think up fun and interesting ways to spend it. That's why the wealthiest people tend to all buy the same crap like yachts, new golf clubs, fancy cars, and trophy wives. Of course, there are more imaginative ways to use all that cash but they don't want us building too many spaceships and science probes to explore planets like Mars.
3. Global Warming
Hostile space aliens know that carbon dioxide reflects infrared radiation. They like that idea because they think the Earth is too cold. They eat a dry mold that can grow in a desert with a little bit of ammonia, which is why (unless they've morphed into impostors) they smell so bad. All the biodiversity of Earth is a terrible inconvenience to them, so they want to kill us and all the critters we share our planet with. Global warming is the perfect tool for that. So, most of the hostile space aliens posing as humans are tasked with denying global warming, buying gas guzzlers, and burning as much fuel as possible for the flimsiest of excuses.
May 30, 2008
9:30 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
CAN EVERYONE PLEASE RESEACH ~WWW.NESARA.US~
let's see some comments on that...if and when it's implemented, ALL of our lives will change for ever
May 30, 2008
9:31 a.m.
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elkman writes:
TheFatManRocks:
You are right, if we had real hard proof, we would not be having this conversation. Answer this. Why are all the governments in the world covering this up? There is no purpose is covering it up. What is to be gained by all the governments in the world?
May 30, 2008
9:33 a.m.
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freedomfighter1 writes:
I am sure there is life beyond our planet. However, it does not seem that we have enough information concerning any other lifeform to be making govermental policies about them or contact with them.
May 30, 2008
9:38 a.m.
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elkman writes:
love_light_peace:
There are thousands of web sites where you can go to and read whatever you want. Just because someone writes about it does not make it true. Once again, show me the hard evidence of a space ship. If you cannot do that, you are just spouting words.
May 30, 2008
9:39 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
HolierThanThou - there are hostiles, and you are right on some of those descriptions...but the real deal is that they are the "ANNUNAKI"...who have ruled and controlled our globe for there own benefit for our 13000 year history; Bush is with them - the good guys are the "Galactic Federation of Light"...whom are advanced telepathic humans with 12 strands of DNA - in the years of Atlantis, we were genetically engineered to have only 2 strands so we were easily controlled and could only see what was happening on a limited frequency.
the GFL rescue mission is well under way - NESARA NOW
May 30, 2008
9:44 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
Elkman - they cover it up so you dont raise your conciousness about "whats out there"....if they were to admit all there lies about aliens, then you would think to yourself: if they do exsist, what do they do? where are they from? can we contact them?
these questions would cripple the goverments credibility on everything because it proves THEY LIE TO YOU.
If everyone believed in aliens and wanted to communicate with them, they would communicate with us.
May 30, 2008
9:54 a.m.
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TheFatManRocks writes:
Elkman,
I have read a few reasons for the cover-up and there are a couple that I can tell you off the top of my head...
1. We, as a race, are not ready to know the truth. There are still too many people who have beliefs that are tied to religion. there are too many people that would be extremely shaken up by the news.
Full disclosure won't come in the form of an official announcement one day. It will be slowly introduced to society so that everyone gets used to the idea. It's already started...
2. Our economy would collapse. New free-energy technology and propulsion systems would say bye-bye to our fuel-based economy. Technology has to be intoduced slowly, just like full disclosure.
Look up Edgar Mitchell, Gordon Cooper and Buzz Aldrin.
Each one is an advocate for the truth to come out. They have all said that they know the truth and have seen the kind of evidence that you're looking for. I can't understand why they would lie.
May 30, 2008
10:04 a.m.
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Alive writes:
Show me concrete proof and I will show you a believer. Till then, don't waste your breath on me. We are given senses to tell us what is real.
May 30, 2008
10:09 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
Steel - im glad you asked my friend
the information is all over the internet - heres a few sites to check:
Youtube: Galactic Federation of Light, Sirians, Pleaidians, Andromedans, Annunaki, Reptilians, (Rysa5 has tonnes of info)
PAOWEB.com: Sheldan Nidle is a contactee with the Sirians
NESARA.US: National Economic Security and Reformation Act
LUISPRADA.com
Google pictures: Crop Circles
...just to name a few
if you want to believe you will
May 30, 2008
10:13 a.m.
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elkman writes:
TheFatManRocks:
You have finally put all your jokers on the table. You have lost all credibilty at being taken seriously. "We, as a race, are not ready to know the truth". Are you nuts or just an idiot? Our economy can collapse with or without aliens. One person can keep a secret, two cannot. Thousands and maybe hundreds of thousads of people cannot keep a secret. Get real! The hard drive in your head must have crashed.
and love_light_ peace:
"they cover it up so you dont raise your conciousness about "whats out there"....if they were to admit all there lies about aliens, then you would think to yourself: if they do exsist, what do they do? where are they from? can we contact them?"
And what would be wrong about that? Your reasons are pathetic and hold no reason.
May 30, 2008
10:16 a.m.
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darkclam writes:
Any man can tell a lie. Any truth can be told through a man. The mind sees and hears all it wants to see and hear. Perception, however does not always mean truth. Since the begining of our known history, humans have resisted change and feared the unknown. If witnesses, pictures, crop circles, and videos are not enough for you to open your mind enough to at least put this issue in serious discussion, then what will be? Does a UFA have to come into your yard ask if you for an egg and some sugar? Maybe if the aliens stand with signs saying they will upgrade your technology for food. The simple fact of the matter is the people have been trying for decades to do what Peckman is proposing.
One more video. One more picture. One more voice is coming out and saying "Things might not be as quiet out there as all the "hush hush" would like us to believe." Anyone who has been keeping up with all the newly released declassifed videos will easily be able to find that our own footage documents "bogies" by audio. And in more then one case, UFO's. One is seen moving out of the way of a projectile from earth. The other is seen in a scew orbit around earth (filmed in space from one of our shuttle missions). In 2001 a group calling themselves "the disclosure project" assembled and began publicly giving testomony of strange events they have all lived. (http://www.disclosureproject.org/) This is not a handful of people looking for five minutes of spotlight... It is over 400 people from the most respected branches of government, and civilian organizations. These are not abducties. These people have seen the truth one of the biggest lies to mankind since we were told the world was flat. And guess what, they are ALL willing to testify to this under oath to the US congress. It is too bad our nation stopped entertaining the truth long ago.
One more video. So what. Have you seen the rest of the of evidence? "All it takes is for ONE, to be true."
May 30, 2008
10:17 a.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Space aliens, Democrats.... is there any difference?
Just look at some of these "beings" calling themselves Democrats. Does anyone with an IQ above 12 really think they are human?
Robert Reich... former Clinton Secretary of Labor. The guy is 4 feet tall. He makes ET look like a candidate for the NBA draft.
Barack Obama... Barack is clearly a name from the planet Uranus. And those ears are obviously satellite dishes. And wouldn't space aliens have problems knowing how many states there are in the USA? Just as Obama thinks there are 57.
Dennis Kucinich... he's even admitted to seeing UFOs. In fact, he appears to be the exact candidate for some space alien probes.
Al Franken.... when he's not finding creative ways to dodge paying taxes, he clearly is communicating with aliens on other planets. He even looks a bit like ET with those non-human eyes, out of this world lisp, and the troll like stature.
Michael Moore.... does anyone believe that a 500 pound orb like that isn't a space alien? His body looks like a bad costume from the movie "Men in Black"
Jimmy Carter.... he admitted to seeing a UFO too. Right around the time he was attacked by a rabbit. Rabbits never attack humans. And with the video proof of Carter being attacked by a rabbit, it proves he is non-human.... a space alien with giant teeth and out of this world thoughts.....
May 30, 2008
10:21 a.m.
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elkman writes:
love_light_peace:
Crop circles have been known to be hoaxes for many years. I have seen documentaries about how it is done. It is done all the time and very intricate in design. Open your mind and look at the real question. Where is the hard evidence. You keep evading the question. Where is the spaceship and aliens. And quit giving everybody the same old song and dance. All governments in the world cannot be covering up the same thing. You need help.
May 30, 2008
10:22 a.m.
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TheFatManRocks writes:
Sorry, Elkman...
You just lost your credibility by getting beligerant and personal.
I feel sorry for you.
You really need to get your head out of the sand and open your mind up a little.
You still haven't explained why so many people have come forward. do you think they're lying?
The goverment can't keep secrets?
Please!
You must be the most naive person on the planet!
May 30, 2008
10:22 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
elkman - you missed the point...what's wrong with that? - it would show they lie to you and are fake - which would also bring up the point: what else are they hiding from us? it's all connected
May 30, 2008
10:25 a.m.
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SirRealist writes:
Where is the video?
May 30, 2008
10:33 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
elkman - sure i hear ya about the fake crop circles - they exist for sure.......but they are done by stepping on the crops to lay them flat - this kills the crops by breaking the stem.
ACTUAL crop circles do not harm the crop - every one are bent at a 90degree angle, approx. 2 in. from the bottom, and the crops stay living and actually grow faster - do the reseach
ps. this isn't personal bud, your opinion is your own and that's all good...fun debate tho
May 30, 2008
10:33 a.m.
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aRe writes:
Hey ricky, I'd take enlightented space alien Democrates running this country than the knuckle dragging, brain stem, inbred, cavemen, hillbilly Republicans.
May 30, 2008
10:35 a.m.
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elkman writes:
TheFatManRocks:
Calling someone an idiot is not personal. It is a fact. Just like saying someone is smart. I have looked at the facts for years and years and years. Most intelligent people need facts as proof for belief in something. Again, people see what they want, and write what they want, and say what they want. That does not make it true. If that were true, I am the smartest person on earth. Believe in that? Of course not. Not even my dog believes that. Once again to fat man and love light. SHOW ME AN ALIEN OR A SPACE SHIP. Otherwise, start reading facts on the other side of your illusions.
May 30, 2008
10:36 a.m.
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GameGrrl writes:
alright, it's Friday. WHERE IS THE VIDEO?!?!
May 30, 2008
10:47 a.m.
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Miss_Kitty_Kat_Girl writes:
So it's Denver this time and not Boulder. You'd expect this kinda stuff in Boulder.
May 30, 2008
10:49 a.m.
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TheFatManRocks writes:
Elkman,
You're not only naive, now you're hypocritical too.
You called me an idiot without knowing one bit about me.
You obviously don't know facts about my intelligence, yet you are able to make a snap judgement on me based on my beliefs. You're ready to label me an idiot without any proof!
Sound familiar?
Let me give you a little lesson in life...
Just because someone has different beliefs than you, doesn't make him/her an idiot.
May 30, 2008
10:49 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"if you want to believe you will"
exactly. keep on that tin foil hat, bud.
hey, you know that DIA is a secret NWO headquarters and prison for millions??
do yah???
fringe lunatic conspiracy theorists are the bestest.
May 30, 2008
10:53 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
and has anyone else noticed that the two 'believers' on here BOTH have grateful dead references in their screen names???
coincidence? i think not.
May 30, 2008
10:54 a.m.
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Orson writes:
So, no Mork from Ork gags yet?
May 30, 2008
10:55 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
(and clearly i know my grateful dead, so there's nothing wrong with that... just the inherent humor of thinking of them both as LSD-addled old hippies makes this discussion on a legitimate news site that much more hysterical. even they would have to admit that)
May 30, 2008
11:04 a.m.
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darkclam writes:
You can poke and make fun all you want. Have you researched this topic at all? Can you honestly tell me you think nothing is going on here? Where is the evidence to back up your claim? I posted a website earlier with a video document of 20 people giving first hand accounts of what they have seen. WIth 400 more ready to back them up in front of the United States Congress... Not just Joe or Bob on the street... Doctors, military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientists... Are you calling them all liers? And FYI, I can't stand The Greatful Dead.
May 30, 2008
11:05 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
love light...
this is the stuff you want people to really consider seriously???
" Member Name: Andromedan Star Nations.
Accepted into the Galactic Federation: Approximately 3.5 million years ago.
Location: The Constellation of Andromeda.
Distance From Earth: Approximately 150 to over 4,000 Light Years.
Life Form Type: Humanoid.
Physical Appearance: Humanoids similar in appearance to Earth humans. They usually wear the traditional multicolored Galactic Federation jump suits. Andromedans consist of two basic Earth human types:
The first is a Caucasian that ranges from a so-called “Nordic” type (blonde hair, blue eyes, pale skin), to a “Mediterranean” type (light to dark brown hair, gray to brown eyes, tanned-looking skin).
The second is a typical Oriental, with dark hair, dark Asian eyes and a skin color that varies from very pale brown to a dark shade of brown.
The eyes of all Andromedans are slightly larger than those of Earth humans. The lips are thin and colored almost a light pink, while the ears are fitted slightly lower on the side of the head and are slightly smaller in size. The hands and the feet are delicate in appearance with long fingers and toes.
The men vary in height from 5 feet, 7 inches to almost 7 feet (1.7 to 2.12 meters). The women range from 5 feet, 4 inches to almost 6 feet, 4 inches (1.63 to 1.93 meters) high. Andromedan women are noted for their alluring energies and their quite buxom figures.
Special Traits and Abilities: Andromedans are noted in the Galactic Federation for their mastery of all forms of scientific endeavor.
Average Amount of Sleep Needed: About 2 hours per day.
Language: Andromedans speak a language whose dialects vary from a Spanish- or Italian-like sound, to one that is more tonal and gutteral in its intonation.
Mother Ship and Other Craft: Andromedan ships range in shape from their traditional sombrero- shaped scout ships that measure some 50 to 65 feet (15 to 20 meters) across, to lens-shaped small atmospheric command ships that are up to a half mile (805 meters) in length.
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good luck.
May 30, 2008
11:08 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
and fwiw, i don't think we are alone in this universe...
but that doesn't mean i dont think this guy, and the majority of alien nuts, aren't just that: nuts.
that, and the amount of FAKE and faked 'evidence' far outweighs any "real" (in quotes) evidence out there... so you can't blame people for being skeptical of 'believers' when SO many of them have faked and lied about their 'proof' in the past.
it kinda gave you all a black eye, and the public has every reason to be skeptical of any 'evidence' provided now.
May 30, 2008
11:09 a.m.
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GameGrrl writes:
so, when will the general public get to see this video? Since the reports are only able to take still photos? Why can't we see it live with them? Video should be going on now ..
May 30, 2008
11:09 a.m.
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NeilT writes:
“tinfoil hat, popcorn, and Kool-Aid”
Sounds like you’re ready for church.
God…aliens…what’s the difference?
Everyone wants “proof” of aliens, yet just as much “proof” exists for “god”.
One story is more plausible than the other, however.
May 30, 2008
11:10 a.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
Sad ironies in this whole discussion:
People believe in a huge sky bully who gives them instructions to go out and murder or oppress others who believe in a different version of the same sky bully. No proof of this sky bully exists. But they dismiss the possibility that there may be other intelligent life in the known universe composed of billions of galaxies each containing hundreds of billions of star systems on average.
I don't believe in visitations because I haven't seen proof, not because it isn't possible. And I enjoy a good prank and have debunked plenty of hoaxes in my time.
The other sad irony is that, although I'm joking about the big conspiracy of hostile space aliens meddling in human affairs. Not a single one of the writers on this boards can even begin to formulate a hypothesis to refute the assertions in my jest.
So, it could have more truth to it than even I would like to admit.
May 30, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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darkclam writes:
Be skeptical, but do not be blind.
May 30, 2008
11:15 a.m.
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Cobra_Commander writes:
love_light_peace: Heaven's Gate sure proved to us all that they are comming. Get your Nike's ready, and drink your Kool Aid. Be ready buddy cause here they come.
May 30, 2008
11:17 a.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
Oy Rocky!
I don't like your favorite space alien probe!
You're missing a bunch of good ones. My personal favorite is Diana Troi of Star Trek. She's hot and has a very understanding nature. Her mom is a hoot, too.
May 30, 2008
11:20 a.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Ah yes... the insights of "experts".....
"Joanne Almeida, of Englewood, is at the film screening because, "I've seen things in my life."
Now there are some real qualifications.
"Almeida said she thinks a lot of this is tied in with oil."
Yeah.... and don't forget the tie in with Bigfoot, the JFK plot, Algore's theories about global schwarming, and the Himalayan pygmies that run the Federal Reserve.
One thing is for certain.... guaranteed..... she is an Obama supporter.
May 30, 2008
11:23 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"One thing is for certain.... guaranteed..... she is an Obama supporter."
my guess would have been ron paul...
May 30, 2008
11:23 a.m.
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m2campne writes:
Is this the video? Or at least part of the video? He said it was about a minute, but this sure seems like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbhiMI...
May 30, 2008
11:30 a.m.
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elkman writes:
Elkman,
The FatManRocks
I know a lot about you from what you post. If you really think all you have written is true, so be it. By other reactions to your posts, you are having a hard time selling it. As for being a hypocrit, hoestly, do you know what the word means? Intelligence is bread from facts, not fiction. Show me the hard data. Thats all I ask. Where is a spaceship or an alien. Anyone?
May 30, 2008
11:32 a.m.
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darkclam writes:
This new video being shown today is supposed to be in infrared.
May 30, 2008
11:33 a.m.
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ColoradoDave writes:
So I wonder how Bill Scanlon feels now that his credibility and the credibility of the RMN are finally destroyed.
It isn't like the RMN had much credibility left but feeding into the fantasies of the delusional is the final nail in that coffin.
May 30, 2008
11:35 a.m.
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NeilT writes:
"Intelligence is bread from facts, not fiction. Show me the hard data. Thats all I ask. Where is a spaceship or an alien. Anyone?"
I agree.
Now apply this stance to god, jesus, et. al...
May 30, 2008
11:41 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
for those of you who "need to see to believe"
- you'll just have to wait with your close mindedness until it happens
WHO'S LOOKED AT WWW.NESARA.US????
LET'S SEE SOME COMMENTS ON THAT!
May 30, 2008
11:41 a.m.
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daytripper writes:
here's one for the alien sceptics.
The Mars probe, on the planet this very day, digs up some deep soil samples and inside there are dormant microbes. the mere action of exposing these microbes to the martian atmosphere triggers them into life activity. after sometime the microbes are in abundance over large parts of the planets surface. This could lead to millenia of observation, as we watch a planet move through the first stages of evolution.
Now, was life created by a God or by an Alien in a rocketship?
You decide.
May 30, 2008
11:43 a.m.
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ColoradoDave writes:
Interstellar Peeping Toms? Why would any being who can travel across vast interstellar distances get to Earth and do nothing more than look into a Nebraska farm house window?
These vastly intelligent aliens always seem to get to Earth and hangout in trailer parks and rural backwaters. They always seem to contact sad people whose lives just haven't worked out the way they had hoped. Hmmm....Think there is any correlation?
When a Space Ship lands in the Great Lawn in Central Park in New York City then I will believe.
May 30, 2008
11:45 a.m.
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VoiceOfTheRockies writes:
When you are a child you may be told to believe in Santa/Easter Bunny/Tooth Fairy - you may also be told to believe in Jesus/God/Angels - you may also be told to believe in Spirits/Ghosts - you may also be told to believe in Aliens/Martians.
Later on in life if you are wise you find out there are motives behind all of them:
"I've got my own moral compass to steer by
A guiding star beats a spirit in the sky
And all the preaching voices -
Empty vessels of dreams so loud
As they move among the crowd
Fools and thieves are well disguised
In the temple and market place"
"Like a stone in the river
Against the floods of spring
I will quietly resist"
"Like the willows in the wind
Or the cliffs along the ocean
I will quietly resist"
"I don't have faith in faith
I don't believe in belief
You can call me faithless
I still cling to hope
And I believe in love
And that's faith enough for me"
"I've got my own spirit level for balance
To tell if my choice is leaning up or down
And all the shouting voices
Try to throw me off my course
Some by sermon, some by force
Fools and thieves are dangerous
In the temple and market place"
"Like a forest bows to winter
Beneath the deep white silence
I will quietly resist"
"Like a flower in the desert
That only blooms at night
I will quietly resist"
- Rush
May 30, 2008
11:45 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
WWW.NESARA.US
May 30, 2008
11:47 a.m.
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filmmunition writes:
Is this supposed to be the "blog" page? I've seen websites on Roman history updated more frequently...
Anyway, no matter how this press conference turns out, people have to make up their own minds. Nobody can convince anybody else one way or the other, it's just something you have to experience yourself in order to understand.
The "Smug Skeptics" are simply fearful of the changes they'd have to make to their world view, and those who "believe" without any first-hand experience are missing something in their lives. We all just need to calm down a bit - the universe is more fantastic than we can possibly imagine, but everyday life makes us forget this - beware the ossification of your soul!
May 30, 2008
11:47 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
for those of you who "need to see to believe"
- you'll just have to wait with your close mindedness until it happens
WHO'S LOOKED AT WWW.NESARA.US????
May 30, 2008
11:50 a.m.
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fiesty writes:
I do think this guy is a crackpot; however, I do not agree with all the skeptics posting. I can sympathize as I used to be very skeptical; while I agreed that other life probably existed, the odds of it coming here were greatly small (distance, coexistence during same time frame, etc).
However, there ARE events we cannot explain, witnessed by credible people and of which the military is not the answer. For example:
1. Astronauts Buzz Aldrin (who went on Larry King Live) and Gordon Cooper have openly talked about some of the unexplained flying objects they saw on the moon.
2. The Phoenix Lights were witnessed by thousands of people, lasted several hours and was captured by multiple news agencies, and was seen by Governor Symington and Councilwoman Barwood.
3. At Chicago O'Hare airport, a hovering object was witnessed during the day by passengers, mechanics, pilots, and air traffic controllers. These personnel definitely know what is an airplane, and what isn't! Many took cell phone pictures of it.
Therefore it is evident *something* is going on. The explanation, however, is not as easily discerned. Is it in fact extraterrestrials, or as mentioned in the article, visitors from the future, or possibly relics from the past? Either way, just because we can't explain it, does not mean we should dismiss it...
May 30, 2008
11:51 a.m.
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thebrokenforum writes:
Peckman reminds me of Marshall Applewhite from the Heaven's Gate cult...
http://thebrokenforum.wordpress.com/2...
May 30, 2008
11:54 a.m.
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fiesty writes:
elkman- au contraire, several governments have come forward and admitted UFOs exist. France even recently opened up all their files on UFO investigations.
May 30, 2008
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steelers5sb writes:
do aliens have nightmares about bipeds with fur on their heads and small eyes i wonder?
May 30, 2008
12:01 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
btw, people like elkman crack me up. On the one hand, they say it doesn't exist and demand evidence. On the other hand, when you provide them some, authenticity validated by the experts, they claim it must be fake or a hoax. You provide them qualified, reputable witnesses, and they call them liars.
No matter what, they are going to ENSURE that only their viewpoint is upheld.
May 30, 2008
12:03 p.m.
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alwaysright writes:
Beam me up Scotty
May 30, 2008
12:08 p.m.
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Orson writes:
fiesty - Buzz Aldrin didn't think he saw anything like an extraterrestial craft - he's almost completely certain what he saw was debris from his own space craft. The Phoenix lights were explained years ago! They were flares and aircraft flying in formation - I don't know what the reference is to O'Hare so it could be anything.
I'm sorry that some media like to edit or distort things to lead you to believe in absurdities - it gets more viewers and so higher advertising rates, but it's not doing you any service.
May 30, 2008
12:08 p.m.
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TheFatManRocks writes:
Elkman,
I'm not trying to sell anything...
Just stating my beliefs.
And yes, I can honestly tell you that I know what the word "Hypocrite" means.
I even know how to spell it, which you seemed to have trouble doing.
Do you believe in God?
Most people believe in some sort of God.
where's the concrete proof of his/her existence?
Is everybody who believes in God an idiot too?
By your definition, they are.
May 30, 2008
12:09 p.m.
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filmmunition writes:
Phenomenally bad blogging job, Bill Scanlon...
Maybe, umm, use your cell phone and call somebody down at the RMN office to update the page sometime this year? Hello? Bill?
May 30, 2008
12:09 p.m.
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bugmenot writes:
http://www.mediafetcher.com just snagged the clip. parts of it can be viewed on this video page [ sorry HTML not permitted ]
I want to belive, but I'm not really impressed with the video. it's as convincing as your typical ghost video.
May 30, 2008
12:12 p.m.
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MereMortal writes:
Why do people assume that unidentified flying objects are being flown by aliens from other planets? UFOs are observed, and that is all we know about them. There is NO evidence of where those UFOs originate. There is NO evidence regarding their occupants, if any. Why do people make this giant leap from an unknown object to aliens from other planets visiting us? There is no link that leads to that conclusion.
May 30, 2008
12:12 p.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
check out NESARA.US
May 30, 2008
12:19 p.m.
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DahmersCookbook writes:
elkman, leave the confines of clutureless brethren. Sink your dentures into possibility. Or perhaps the media is your God.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc...
Your A drone, explore lifes diversity and develop A indipendent
opinion. Google "Illuminati, loose change or government spending",
Do you have to touch it to beleive it? God? I sure hope you didn't have to touch Michelangelo's "David" to confirm its existence.
I'll give you this old timer, i'm just as intrigued, but will not cloak it.
May 30, 2008
12:20 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
Orson- you really need to do your research.
First, according to Buzz Aldrin's book (I have it, can give you the page number) AND his interview on Larry King Live, they saw something they could not identify. Later, he said it "could have been" debris from a panel, but couldn't be sure. So, it was never officially determined, and remained classified as "unidentified". Further, what about Gordon Cooper? After his experience, he became an ardent UFO supporter, and even wrote a letter to the UN in 1978 on the subject.
Second, the flares explanation was completely discounted, and the military admitted it couldn't have been their flares. First, the flares weren't released until 930pm, when the event started at 730pm. Nor can the experimental flares fly horizontally, and for over an hour... And the experimental aircraft landed BEFORE the end of the event.
Third, regarding O'Hare, even the FAA did a comprehensive investigation and concluded that they didn't know WHAT was hovering over the airport, but that it wasn't anything of ours.
As stated, these are events that were investigated, deemed valid, and unexplainable.
May 30, 2008
12:22 p.m.
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happymike44 writes:
Well time to break out the tin foil for the new hats we will need to fight off the mind control.Thank goodness I bought some bottled water to drink during the alien invasion.Also wonder if they will eat all the fat people first or not.Probably will since the skinny ones are to bony and gamey.Whose ready for their anal probe and body scans.
May 30, 2008
12:23 p.m.
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johnson writes:
So this Nebraska farmer has 2 teenage daughters and thinks there's a peeping tom outside the window? I think he should have pointed a 12 guage, not a camera at the peeper. So he shoots the alien for trespassing. Then we would have proof! And don't give me that crap about how shooting an innocent alien is not right. Hey, he's trespassing. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
May 30, 2008
12:23 p.m.
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NeilT writes:
ToeNee,
I have no personal feeling towards “god”, one way or the other. Now, if “god” does exist, especially in the way “he” is described, yeah…I would hate “him”. Talk about an evil, vindictive “being”. Why would “he” hate so many of his “creations”?
Why is it that people that believe in aliens are called loons, freaks, Boulder residents (okay, I kinda see this one)? Yet a belief in “god” is not met with the same harshness. In fact, it is just the opposite response. Ethical, moral, Colorado Springs resident.
Oh well…
At least you and I can agree on one thing…
Trailer parks!
Just watch out for the age restricted “communities”. My last experience was, well, interesting. ;-)
May 30, 2008
12:25 p.m.
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Katoom writes:
Hillary has already demanded that his, her, its vote be counted and his, her, its delagation be seated at the convention. Meanwhile Rush is demanding that we build a fence around Mars to keep illegal aliens out. Of course Al Gore is blaming the shrinking ice cap on Mars for the aliens having to leave. There, now I've ticked off both the left and right.
May 30, 2008
12:26 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"WHO'S LOOKED AT WWW.NESARA.US????"
quit spamming this site with that stuff.
i'm sure plenty of people have checked it out and chalked it up with the rest of the wild stuff you linked us to. don't expect anyone to take anything you say seriously when you point people to such extremely un-credible websites.
and i looked at, and while some of it would be good ideas... the majority of that website shows how little it has been thought out 9namely eliminating all american's credit debt because people feel they have been cheated by the banking system -- instead of the ACTUAL fact that most people live well beyond their means).
not to mention aspects of that page have not been updated since 2005.
so, again, maybe others (like me) checked it out, and didn't find anything worth discussing with you. i'm sure there's a message board about the New World Order somewhere you can find that would love to burn up message board posts with you.
May 30, 2008
12:26 p.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
all of you skeptics are here because you want to believe...but are scared of what you have no proof of....why else would you take the time to make jokes??
nobody's got the gonads to check out www.NESARA.US hm?
May 30, 2008
12:28 p.m.
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ofcourse writes:
I'll be a believer when I see a Bronco's bumpersticker on the spaceship.
May 30, 2008
12:31 p.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
ah finally denverB!
it's far fetched i give you that...but the fact of the matter is, that the IRS and Federal Reserve are infact, illegal according to the U.S. Constitution.
May 30, 2008
12:31 p.m.
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missmilehi writes:
I stopped reading the comments after John_Galt at 8:12....HHAHAHHAHAHA!!!
That's awesome.
May 30, 2008
12:35 p.m.
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Lordthumbs writes:
Let it be known im siding with THEFATMANROCKS,
FATMAN, if we would have crossed paths bout 6 months ago, i would be your worst enemy (UFO skeptic) but not anymore...
One intersting thing ive noticed in this forum thus far is a demand for some proof.. i can imagine all of us in an old roman cathedral trying to discuss this matter all day long. pulling down scrolls and refering to the words of the ancient ancestors. standing in our white robes drinking wine.
Lets try and look at it from this angle, DO YOU CARE ABOUT FAMILY? if you do, then you should now there are thousands of families who are trying to cope with a family member (who seemed to have their head on straight for so many years) turn around declare they have had a ufo encounter.. my question to you is, what do you say to your family member whom you love dearly? do you shun them and assume they went crazy.. OR would you FINALLY (phew) listen to your gut.
ELK MAN says hes been following the crop circle issue for years. "Mua ha ha ha!" (head leans back in laughter as i rub my belly)... my friend elk man, if you spent "years" with the crop circle phenomena then you would be much wiser than you make yourself out. SHAME on you for calling a perfect stranger an idiot (FATMAN).. your a prime example of a man who will disrespect,judge, or attack someones dignity if they finally come forward with "UFO PROOF"
if the skeptics spent an 1/8th of there "skeptic energy" toward digging into the ufo issue and disclosure movement taking place with all the retired military, nasa, and accredited scientists, pilots and on and on and on, then hey, maybe they will start their next post the way i started mine..
from california, SOMETHINGS UP PEOPLE GET HIP TO IT
May 30, 2008
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DahmersCookbook writes:
or "RAIDER HATER" !
May 30, 2008
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Lordthumbs writes:
Love_Light_peace
i commend you for being persistant, but do you really diserve to take the disrespect, just let them persue interest that matter to them, being a skeptic isnt a "bad" thing, yes raising the awareness is nice to see in other just as you have done, but really life isnt supposed to have the "hive mind" that you understand ET's to have.
I find that im more helpful by asking the skeptics questions that slowly engage them to test their limit. not to hinder them for years spent not believing.
Im recommending you find your place at www.abovetopsecret.com plenty of UFO believers and skeptics who actually get along. you may thank me later
May 30, 2008
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Diff writes:
UN "flipin" - believable!
May 30, 2008
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TheDenverB writes:
"but the fact of the matter is, that the IRS and Federal Reserve are infact, illegal according to the U.S. Constitution."
yeah. how about you don't pay your taxes and see just how illegal that is. i'm sure you'll win in court...
bottom line is, as i said before, ufo believers want to convince others.. but they have a real hard time when most, if not all, "evidence" they provide has been proven to be fake and often created by the 'believers' themselves.
as i said, people have every reason to be skeptical of things like this when they come out considering most everything from the 'believers' side has been an outright lie.
May 30, 2008
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AlienHoax writes:
What a complete failure. Night vision camera, only the head of the alien, peeking then fleeing, taken at night. Are people really that easily fooled.
FACTS:
1. Shoddy video of an alien.
2. Peckman has gotten his fame, word out on this video for a documentary, top stories on digg and other news outlets, interview with larry king lined up, fox, and others.
3. Peckman requested $75,000 in his original plan for his "alien commitee"
4. Releasing this video feeds his fire for his proposed plan.
5. Denying news outlets the ability to tape / show his footage, because he is in talks for a documentary. ie. protecting his potential money farm.
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Do people not get it? This should be stripped off the front page immediately. Look at the facts and it's not hard to see the motivation for a person to fork up some money for an elaborate hoax (based on the description I already know this is an absolute fake).
He's getting his fame, a documentary to sell, a possible spot on the top of a government committee, television interviews with global news, and the potential to milk this for the rest of his life with books, appearances, conferences, ect. for the rest of the UFO followers out there.
If this were real, we would have seen it in 2003 (when the video was supposedly shot), and readily available for ANYONE....not for some crappy documentary for 29.99 when it comes out. Something that could change our world as we know it would not be treated like this.
And seriously love_light_peace....if you believe in the galactic federation of light you seriously need help. I mean for god's sakes....the "pegusus star league". How can you possibly buy into that? I'm guessing you really LOVE babylon 5, or battlestar galactica so much you only believe it because you hope and pray it's true...so you can live out your dreams.
PEGASUS STAR LEAGUE HOOOOOO!!!!
I believe in life outside our planet, but it's people like this greedy peckman....and crackpots like love_light_peace that are going to turn people off from actually investigating this sort of thing without a biased perspective.
May 30, 2008
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TheDenverB writes:
and we joke about it, because that is what the 'believers' have essentially turned this into.
even those that don't put out the faked videos often buy into even the most obvioius of fake videos because they are STRETCHING for a reason to believe. that's fine, but again, you have to understand why skeptics see this as an exercise in futility with you and turn to jokes about the whole thing.
because, for the most part, the UFO phenomenon IS a joke.
May 30, 2008
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Vaildude writes:
Aliens? Won't they be invading Denver in August? I believe we call them Democrats...
May 30, 2008
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elkman writes:
TheFatManRocks
Sorry for missing a keystroke. Thank you for bringing up God. However, you cannot compare apples and oranges. God is not flesh and blood. Jesus was flesh and blood. God is a spirit, or thats what the Bible says. Aleins are not spirits, therefore, you present a very bad comparrison. Or have I missed something more about aliens. Because you will not answer my questions, I am signing off. And by the way fiesty, I can come up with as many experts as you can to prove a point. Good try.
May 30, 2008
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love_light_peace writes:
thanks lordthumbs...you make a good point
the disrespect doesnt bother me...just their close mindedness
May 30, 2008
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TheDenverB writes:
"I believe in life outside our planet, but it's people like this greedy peckman....and crackpots like love_light_peace that are going to turn people off from actually investigating this sort of thing without a biased perspective."
and bingo was his name, o.
May 30, 2008
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TheFatManRocks writes:
I agree...
People have every right to be skeptical!
Conversely, they have every right to gather the evidence given and make an intelligent decision.
I have done a TON of homework on this subject and I just don't believe that everyone who has seen things and come forward is lying.
There are too many people who's lives and careers are at stake...
Too many professionals who know what they are looking at.
I just don't see why they would lie or that that many people could be wrong.
i agree with you that there are a lot of people out there that are faking these things everyday...
Maybe 99% are fake!
That doesn't make me think that 100% are fake...
May 30, 2008
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AlienHoax writes:
Interesting:
http://www.rockymountainparanormal.co...
An addition to my post:
1. "rockymountainparanormal"
2. Dever man has alien video
3. peeking in window blinking is what he says it is.
If this is the video that he is showing...the story continues to get worse. "alienwindowFINAL.mp4"
Anyone from the conference know if this was the video shown? Seems to meet the description pretty well.
May 30, 2008
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Jedi_Miller writes:
Yeah i found this video someone else had posted. It looks a lot like what they are describing. really looks fake. if you look at the other videos it confirms it's a fake. The last video on the page has the window, check out the awesome action on the one peeking behind the corner.
http://www.rockymountainparanormal.co...
enjoy!
May 30, 2008
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280Pagoda writes:
Let's revisit Einstein's theory of general relativity for a moment - even Star Trek movies mention it. Not as exciting as Peeping Tom Aliens, but a good way to pass the time they stop stalking outside our windows.
As you learn in any college physics class, relativity balances energy and matter in ways that puzzle us in our day-to-day lives. Let’s apply this to space travel. As you speed up to the speed of light (187,000 mph), funny things happen - time becomes RELATIVE - hence the name relativity.
If you use the passage of Time within the spaceship as a baseline, as you get up to the speed of light, time remains “normal” inside the ship, but time starts passing very quickly outside the ship - about 1,000 times faster - or more depending how close you actually get to the speed of light. Why is this relevant to Denver’s Space Alien discussion?
Let's take a trip to Alpha-Centari - it is the closest star to earth - only 35 light years away. We zoom off at the speed of light and arrive 35 years later. Aliens are waiting who rejoice at our arrival. We waste no time having to learn their language or introduce ourselves (turns out they have been watching I Love Lucy on TV as it radiated out into space) and they graciously invite all humans over to their place for a humdinger of a party. We gladly accept and immediately head back to earth with the invite.
Thirty-five years later we arrive back on earth. But while we are 70 years older, the earth is now 100,000 years older - maybe as much as 450,000 years older depending on just how fast we traveled. Your friends are long gone, as is civilization, perhaps even the earth itself. This problem gets worse if you have to travel to a more distant star.
Who now inhabits the earth? Are they human? Would you recognize them? Would they recognize you? Who knows? Guaranteed you couldn’t find Kansas or Dorothy.
While fun to imagine traveling through wormholes and maintaining time equilibrium, the fact remains the universe is so big and our lives so short it makes intergalactic travel and visiting with space aliens harder to image than having a good relationship with France.
Visiting Space Aliens, or having them visit us means inventing a way to time travel backwards while moving at the speed of light.
While we wait for that to happen, let’s get Real Denver. Is this peeping Tom is from a neighboring star? Can we tell from the videotape? Can the Denver City Council be the judge? (The same city council that took four years to decree tap water is Greener than bottled water)
Want a real conversation with an Alien? Strike up a conversation with your neighbor. Ask him what he is doing skulking around in an Alien costume at night.
May 30, 2008
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Jedi_Miller writes:
awwww! alienhoax beat by two minutes... :(
"Curse my metal body, I wasn't fast enough."
May 30, 2008
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love_light_peace writes:
time will tell denverB
May 30, 2008
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formlessness writes:
I have no doubt life exists elsewhere in the universe. However that being said, I have never seen any evidence that I consider reliable or credible that Earth has ever been visited by aliens.
First of all, if his proof was so concrete and if he did indeed care about the sharing the knowledge with his fellow human beings, then this crackpot wouldn't need to give the press a sneak peak of his so called proof. He is merely seeking free publicity for his upcoming documentary. Harkems razor says he probably faked the whole thing for publicity, just like the ghost in the elevator.
Don't be so gullible people.
May 30, 2008
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Orson writes:
Sorry! I'm a bumbling fool - I always do poor research!!! You see, when Buzz Aldrin said he was "99.9 percent sure" that what he saw was a panel, I translate that as meaning "almost completely certain" - that's what happens when you go to the source as I did! And of course, when someone sees something that he describes as a UFO, that can only mean it's extraterrestrials - not an Unidentified Flying Object, which could be a ballon, a bird, an airplane etc. etc. - Buzz Aldrin is SO literal minded! And just because he said that he did not think it was anything extraterrestrial, that's no reason to believe him - the best way to do research is to simply pick out the things that agree with your hypothesis and ignore everything else. Soon you'll be as useful to Denver as Jeff Peckman. Nanoo Nanoo and over to you!
May 30, 2008
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TheDenverB writes:
"time will tell denverB"
thanks captain obvious.
May 30, 2008
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AlienHoax writes:
@love_light_peace
It's not close mindedness, it's common sense. The league of super aliens which you believe in is just highly unlikely. Take for instance people stating the different types of aliens. Reptilians, greys, Andromedains, ect. all ancient myths that come from different areas of the world.
Greek and norse believed in what we know as Andromedains...large, white in color aliens...like gods and godesses. But now are believed to be aliens.
Greys, commonly a belief from the US. Heck, greys weren't even on the radar screen until H.G. Wells and mainly seen in western media, not globally (until the past 5-10 years).
Chupacabra (mexico), reptilians (india / asia), ect. are all based on folklore and belief of their region.
It isn't until the vast distance between these countries became shortened from travel / internet / mass media, that these "species" of aliens needed to converge somehow, or else how can one believe in aliens if each region of the world believes in different kinds? As it is highly unlikely that this type of alien only visits russia, or that species only visits africa.
Which brings us to the video released to day...a standard grey. How boring.
The ONLY...and I mean ONLY way an alien could have 2 eyes, 2 arms, 2 legs, head, torso so similar to ours is if we evolved from THEM. With the vast differences in the way DNA / evolution works it would be impossible for such a similarity to exist. Not to mention an atmosphere / environment the alien could even exist in.
And if the case is that greys are real (which i HIGHLY doubt) then we must be from an evolution tampering from their doing. Which if you think about hard enough...you really think they need to be sneaking around in the middle of the night taking peeks in our windows? Think hard about that question...you'll get the answer.
May 30, 2008
1:21 p.m.
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steelers5sb writes:
so is that youtube video the one from today?
May 30, 2008
1:24 p.m.
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Cobra_Commander writes:
Has anyone else wondered why (if in fact ufo's, aliens, the tooth fairy exist...) a ufo hasn't landed in a city like Denver, London, Belgrade, Bejing, in the middle of the day, or even at night, and aliens or some other life form gets exposed in this day and age of information/media we live in? If they are so intelligent, why haven't they contacted us on a large scale? They are intelligent, advanced life forms, right? Why does it always have to be some cornhusker in Nebraska (who was probably dabbling in the moonshine)that gets the big visit? Are they avoiding a larger scale landing becasue it costs too much to fuel up here?
May 30, 2008
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love_light_peace writes:
your low maturity level is alllmost as high as your IQ denverB...but not quite there yet lol...get back to work slacker
May 30, 2008
1:25 p.m.
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suzukidragracer writes:
Did anybody realize that if this video was indeed shot with a real INFRARED camera from INSIDE the house, it's definitely fake?
Infrared imagers almost never see through windows. Infrared light reflects off of reflective surfaces very easily, much like a mirror to visible light. If you were looking at an infrared image of a window, you would see your reflection.
Even if you were to look at a piece of semi-shiny metal, for instance, you would most likely just see reflected infrared light from behind.
Also, real infrared imagers are very expensive.....anywhere from $10,000 to $50,000 USD. Why would this guy from Nebraska have one? If he was in a business similar to mine, okay, but it's a very small field of work. I guess a lot of fire stations have infrared cameras too.....
Anway, I'd like to see it, because I could tell fairly easily if it was a real infrared imager and if it was even possible to take such a video with one.
May 30, 2008
1:29 p.m.
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Ahab337 writes:
Oak- Wah- Tan- Zin - Wan
The Beehauvians are coming
-Riley Martin
May 30, 2008
1:33 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"your low maturity level is alllmost as high as your IQ denverB."
actually, i think i have proven myself to be quite mature when logically thinking about and discussing this subject.
you, on the other hand, have childishly spammed this site with your links, pointed us to your star-wars-esque belief in the galactic federation and spout off libertarian talking points (the irs is illegal!).
really, i may have pulled out some humor -- but that doesn't mean my maturity level is somehow childish. this discussion doesn't warrant us being serious, however.
as for my IQ... well, i think i've proven that i am capable of taking in all sides and still forming a relatively solid and logical opinion... which is more than i can say for how you come off on here. it seems you'll buy into any conspiracy theory website you land on without thinking twice about it.
i've admitted that i don't believe earth is the only planet with intelligent life. but i certainly don't believe that any of the stuff you linked us to re: alien species is in any way valid. it's made up by the same people that are faking UFO videos.
and it's friday, bud. i've done all my work and i'm just waiting around until my coworkers decide it's time to go get pizza and beer.
May 30, 2008
1:37 p.m.
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samabraham writes:
Quote of the Day by Cobra_Commander: “Why does it always have to be some cornhusker in Nebraska (who was probably dabbling in the moonshine) that gets the big visit? Are they avoiding a larger scale landing because it costs too much to fuel up here?”
May 30, 2008
1:38 p.m.
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GladysKravitz writes:
I looked out my window too and saw strange things in sky. I told my husband Abner and he thought I was crazy! We have witches too in our neighborhood of NW Denver.
May 30, 2008
1:39 p.m.
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sallymay writes:
I think this is probably a night-vision camera. I have a Sony camcorder ($700) that can shoot at night and I think it can shoot through glass.
May 30, 2008
1:40 p.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
good point suzukidragracer!
i work with US Coast Guard aircraft mounted IR cameras and it is true, you can not see outside windows due to the IR signatures from the outdoors reflecting away from, and never reaching, the focal plain array of the lense....im not a skeptic so i wasnt gonna mention it, but that is true.
fake video or not, this conference brought everyone here to debate about something they wish they knew the "hard facts" about. that means all of you skeptics are inadvertently searching for the TRUTH...
May 30, 2008
1:46 p.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
all fun n games denverB...no hard feelings
enjoy your beer and pizza and have a good weekend bud...im just finishing up work too ;)
May 30, 2008
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elkman writes:
And the truth shall set you free. I finally believe. Love_light_peace and TheFatManRocks are the ALIENS! Makes perfect sence.
May 30, 2008
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TheFatManRocks writes:
Most people believe that there is intelligent life out there somewhere in the universe.
Some people think that there's no way for them to get here.
Theory of Relativity, etc...
Think about how much technology we have gained in the last 300 years. From 1708 to 2008. It's literally unbelievable!
Where do you think we will be in 300 more years...
How about 10,000 years?
Scientists maintain that we are a very young planet.
Some of those planets that have intelligent life are probably BILLIONS of years ahead of us!
The technology that they must know would be absolutely staggering!
Think they can't get here or find us?
May 30, 2008
1:50 p.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
lol, we're not all saints Steel :)
...hey guys, dont be surprised if you hear more and more about UFO/alien stuff in the upcoming years.
May 30, 2008
1:51 p.m.
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TheFatManRocks writes:
Hey, Elkman!
Everybody who doesn't think exactly like you is an alien, right?
May 30, 2008
1:54 p.m.
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AlienHoax writes:
@thefatmanrocks
I'm sure they could get here, but with all that technology...would they need to peek in our window?
I'm sure if the have the tech to go millions of miles within a lifetime, they have the tech to observe human behavior from their ship, or at least have drones / cloaking to do it without being noticed.
Which brings another interesting fact...billions of years of technology, do you even believe they would come to our planet themselves? Surely their robotics / artificial intelligence would be so advanced that they would do as suggested:
Send drones to do it
Send robotics that emulate us to do it
not stand around in the open peeking in our windows.
this video is a pathetic hoax, and play on emotions to gain support for his generic agenda. the video is such a standard, predictable hoax...it's like he wasn't even trying, or just going with what is "the norm".
May 30, 2008
1:55 p.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
all of your points are completely correct thefatmanrocks!
good to see someone out there sees it..
...still doesnt mean they will change their mindsets...
May 30, 2008
1:55 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
280Pagoda - excellent point. When I first heard the "time travelor" theory, I thought it was a crock, and that aliens were more likely. Then I heard about the relative time, combined with artifacts showing that we had both air and space flight capability in the past, and it made more sense. I've also heard the argument made that it is the prime reason why manned space exploration would be a pointless endeavour.
Orson -
Hmm, when I hear Buzz on a show saying "to this day, I still don't know what it was" and "it 'could' have been debris, but it was L-shaped", I don't find that conclusive or "certain". Okay, let's say I give you that one. However, you STILL haven't answered Cooper's experience, the Phoenix lights, or the Chicago O'Hare incident- all witnessed by experts who sorta know what is a plane and what isn't. Of course, there are the renaissance paintings and aboriginal cave drawings of the classic "saucer with hub" UFO, drawn *prior* to the advent of flight...
May 30, 2008
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elkman writes:
TheFatManRocks
"Most people". Who is most people? Got a percentage? Or most people who think like you? No, I never said "everybody". There you go again. Just you and love_light_peace. You guys certainly feed off each other.
May 30, 2008
2:03 p.m.
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steelers5sb writes:
theres a picture in the post's article
May 30, 2008
2:03 p.m.
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TheFatManRocks writes:
ToeNee..!
Ha!
I wish, man!
Might make my boring Friday afternoon go by a lot faster!!!
May 30, 2008
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suzukidragracer writes:
love_light_peace:
sounds like you've got pretty good knowledge of infrared imagers!
I can see how their are being used in security more these days. Infrared imagers allow you to see warm bodies at night, and in much much higher resolutions than ever before.
Our imagers are getting a little older.....we use Mikron 7200's. They are Focal Plane Array.
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Yes, a night vision camera would be able to see through a window.
Now, there are some cameras that you can attach a filter on to mimic infrared, but are not real infrared imagers. If you look on youtube.com and similar, you can see a lot of people trying to pass these off as real infrared imagers.
Anyway, I saw the article the other day and saw the part about using an infrared imager and got interested!
I wouldn't say that i'm a complete skeptic, but not a true believer either.
I do believe that there is life in the universe besides on Earth.
May 30, 2008
2:05 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
TheFatManRocks - consider too, where we would be if we hadn't gone through periods of cultural regression. We have artifacts, labeled 'problematica' by the Smithsonian, which indicate man has previously attained (and in some cases surpassed) our current level of technology.
For example, before the White Sands atomic tests, archaeologists dismissed the Sanskrit Vedic texts as "flights of fancy" because they described various types of "vimana" (air vehicles), aerial battles, and a powerful weapon called the "Agneya" which was "incandescent and bright as a thousand suns... reduced the entire race... ...The corpses were so burned, As to be unrecognizable, their hair and nails fell out.." Yet, an amazing find was discovered in the prehistoric Indian cities of Mohenjo-daro and Harappa. [Pakistan's Indus Valley] On the street level were discovered skeletons, appearing to be fleeing, but death came too quick. They were found to be highly radioactive (on a level comparable to Hiroshima and Nagasaki), and it appears that both cities were destroyed at virtually the same time. The area was at least the size of that which devastated Japan in 1945, an estimated 500,000 died, and it occurred between 8-10,000 years ago. Also, there was discovered a stratum of fused glass, whose cause could not be explained by natural means, and was virtual identical to the Alamagordo testing grounds...
May 30, 2008
2:06 p.m.
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spib writes:
why would this guy refuse to let the general public see this? if it's so real and amazing wouldn't you want the whole world to see it so that they would agree with you and offer even more support (read: money)? wouldn't you want to show this to people who actually specialize in space exploration instead of your local hick news team and mayor? here is an official screenshot of the video.
http://origin.denverpost.com/portlet/...
amazingly the picture is even less clear than in that faked video of this. it's completely astounding that people are so gullible and funny that the "aliens" only ever reveal themselves to these gullible ufo chasing people.
May 30, 2008
2:08 p.m.
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DahmersCookbook writes:
Oh damnit! steelers5sb, I went and looked at that photo with an open mind thinking they would be "cool", but now i'm gonna have nightmares!
May 30, 2008
2:10 p.m.
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TCrawf writes:
The movie Out Of The Blue is probably the best documentary on UFO's at www.outofthebluethemovie.com. This is referenced in a book dealing with our overall human experience, The Human Handbook available through booklocker.com It's quite possible that it's real. We're not the only ones in the universe. Our planet it 4.6 billion years old in a universe estimated to be 13.75 billion years old. We're the new kids on the block.
May 30, 2008
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fiesty writes:
I just saw the pic on the Post. It proves nothing that the video is "untampered", because it isn't impressive at all. It could be a puppet.
I do find it hilarious, after all the comments on the blog, that the guy who shot the tape did so because he thought there was a peeping tom after his daughters... :-)
May 30, 2008
2:20 p.m.
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MeAgainstMachine writes:
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How many of you folks up there are posting on company time and equipment? Just curious, because most usually show up around 8 or 9 am and come 5pm most all of you will disappear.
Quit complaining about some politician wasting our tax revenue, because I'll bet most of you are wasting your employers money just the same by being perched on many threads simultaneously and attacking each other with half thoughts.
May 30, 2008
2:22 p.m.
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DahmersCookbook writes:
MeAgainstMachine, did your employer take away your... bitter little man.
May 30, 2008
2:28 p.m.
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Lordthumbs writes:
FATMAN,
as stated before, im siding with you in more ways than one.
I just wanted to remind you that in the face of UFO adversity its actually a good thing for you to go through. It reminds you of UFO case studies that actually have a solid foundation, one of these cases would be the Brendalshaym forest case, of the 5 soldiers who walked away from the missile base towards a light in the woods, where on of the soldiers actually placed his hand on the side of the black triangular shape ufo..and yes the guy ends up on larry king live and you can very well tell that this guy didnt make it up. after all ive never met anyone who is willing to tell the same lie for over 30 years.
the experiences are solidified in their blood and bones. need i remind you that a lot of people (and no you dont need a percentage "elkman") didnt even believe that jesus was the son of god back then. why would people believe in UFO's/E.T.'s now, its the same history repeating itself.
most of the skeptics here have never even read an abduction account or even watched interviews of JIM SPARKS, ALEX COLLIER, DR. GREER. they have no idea of the awe that comes when they actually relax and just take the information in without judging it so fast..soon a tiny light comes on that can never really be put out, i hope thats painting a picture to some.
May 30, 2008
2:29 p.m.
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DahmersCookbook writes:
Nebraska! Did anyone stop to consider that it could be some deep- woods/grassland dwelling inbred, could look like that. Would explain the peeping, need photos of the daughters to further speculate.
May 30, 2008
2:33 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
MeAgainstMachine- shouldn't make such ASSumptions, not everyone works the standard 8-5. For example, those of us in IT. You, and those bitter like you, are EXACTLY the reason I work swing shift- heaven forbid I run a patch that would interrupt your internet capability for 10 min...
May 30, 2008
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TheDenverB writes:
"Quit complaining about some politician wasting our tax revenue, because I'll bet most of you are wasting your employers money just the same"
not really. most of us are given freedom at work, which is not wasting our boss's money.
but beyond all of that, taxpayer money and money from a private company are two totally different things.
May 30, 2008
2:40 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
Lordthumbs- Hear, hear! At least there's tangible evidence of UFOs, with *living* witnesses. Unlike a certain questionable 2,000 year old piece of literature, almost identical to some of the Greek myths, describing 1) a half human child of a god performing all sorts of miracles, 2) bipolar and schizophrenic god, and 3) visions indicative that the viewer was on LSD. Yet we are supposed to accept without any evidence that: the man existed, without any evidence of the supposed miracle, no witnesses, no artifacts, and despite doubts regarding the document's authenticity and integrity, etc.
May 30, 2008
2:41 p.m.
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suzukidragracer writes:
Well, the picture shown is DEFINITELY not infrared.
It appears to be just a black and white image.
The easiest way to tell is the pictures on the shelf on the left side. An infrared imager would not show the detail of the pictures because there would be no temperature difference across them.
Also, there are obvious lighting differences across the picture, suggesting visible light. Any lighting differences would be representative of temperature variance with an infrared imager.
It's just obviously not an infrared image.
May 30, 2008
2:42 p.m.
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AlienHoax writes:
@ Lordthumbs
The same Jim Sparks that has been interviewed by multiple sources calling him out on his inaccuracies in his story? The same Jim Sparks that claims he can provide proof of his story, INCLUDING lung goo given to him by aliens as a parting gift...but yet not a single person has seen his evidence. Or how about the same Jim Sparks that charges you to see him at public appearances while selling his book?
yeah, thought that was who you were reffering to...
May 30, 2008
2:43 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
ToeNee- ROFLMAO! Nope, gone are the (wonderful) days when I got to sit in the server room. Now I sit in middle of the cubicle farm, in midst of all the other non-IT folks (on that shift), so my response time for problems is about 30 seconds. :-)
No one appreciates us until they break something. ;-)
May 30, 2008
2:44 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
well, it seems this video is becoming less and less credible by the minute.
i love how these guys created an even more believable video LAST NIGHT, for under $90. of course, all i have seen is a still shot...
but that alone leaves a lot of skepticism. if you really wanted to prove this was real, you don't withold it from the media like these people are. it reeks of a second agenda (selling the documentary?). if people like this are all about getting the truth out there, thyen they sure have a weird and dishonest-appearing way of doing it.
once again proving exactly why the general public has every reason to be skeptical of people who claim, without any doubt, that they have 'proof'.
May 30, 2008
2:48 p.m.
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TheFatManRocks writes:
AlienHoax,
I'm definitely not saying that I believe this video...
Obviously, I believe that we are and have been visited, but like I said, 99% of the stuff out there is probably fake.
May 30, 2008
2:48 p.m.
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MeAgainstMachine writes:
Ooooh, those are some quality sand box cut downs there Dahmer and fiesty. What's next? Noogies? Wedgies? Maybe some sand throwing?
Did my company take away my what?
No, I (my company) didn't take away anything from myself, although I have cut back smokin' the hooter, because I think it is causing me to miss ET everytime he strolls through my hood. He fits through the entrance gates quite easily.
Bitter little man?
Please, I'm gonna make another ASSumption that you two are exactly what I was pointing out since you jumped on my back for it.
anyways, see you guys monday morning 8am sharp.
May 30, 2008
2:50 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
AlienHoax- feel like taking a stab at why we should ignore Gordon Cooper's experience and resultant stance on UFOs, the Phoenix Lights event (to include Governor Symington's eyewitness account and Councilwoman Barwood's ensuing investigation which revealed the military's flare exercise was NOT responsible for it), and the Chicago O'Hare incident (to include the FAA investigation and numerous qualified personnel eyewitness account)? And do so without unsubstantiated speculation?
May 30, 2008
2:50 p.m.
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AlienHoax writes:
DenverB, I can't agree with you more...my only question is:
Is there any legal accountability in this for Peckman? Using this as propaganda for his...I guess you could say, third agenda (the city council)?
Taxpayers should be in an uproar against this, AS WELL as UFO supporters. There needs to be accountability in the UFO enthusiast circles...blatant fraud does nothing but hurt them and their cause.
This is all assuming the people behind this hoax speak up.
May 30, 2008
2:51 p.m.
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Lordthumbs writes:
@alienhoax
this is the JIM that im REFERING to yes. id like to see you get abducted for 20 years, and try and remember EVERY detail to a skeptic hungry humanity. very difficult and i commend Jim for making it HIS LIFE WORK. please refer to my previous post about how family members deal with their kin who have been in contact, its a tuff reality to deal with, imagine your wife,daughter or son, coming to you telling you of their experience, im not sure your ready to even support or at least lend an ear to someone.sad
IF you actually have read THE KEEPERS by jim sparks, you would have known there is a "friend" testimonial section in the back of the book which totally supports jim.
one of the guys put it nicely when he mentioned that fact that HISTORY CHANNEL, A&E, SCI fi, and NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC are the most accurate in the UFO information, AND that they periodically edit in the scientists that disprove UFO's as means to slowly introduce the truth to the masses.. it takes longer for others to realize this truth as im sure you know. your special,but we love you anyway..
May 30, 2008
2:54 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
observation: Just as there is a difference between having an open mind and being gullible, there is also a difference between healthy skepticism and a closed mind...
May 30, 2008
2:56 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
"Taxpayers should be in an uproar against this, AS WELL as UFO supporters. There needs to be accountability in the UFO enthusiast circles...blatant fraud does nothing but hurt them and their cause."
Alienhoax- you are dead on there! It's people like this wacko who hurt the credibility of those trying for serious investigation or trying to get the skeptics to take it seriously.
May 30, 2008
2:58 p.m.
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AlienHoax writes:
@fiesty
The thing is, I didn't say anything about cooper, o'hare, or the phoenix lights. Where anywhere did I say I'm not a believer, or everything is a hoax?
I'm calling this video out, and I called out sparks. Do you see the pilots at O'hare giving public seminars, or selling books? No...
Calm down and read my posts...
I'm saying this blanket acceptance by the ufo support community is pathetic and sad. If you can't smell this story is a fraud then you are lost in life.
@thefatmanrocks
I'd agree with the 99%, the 1% in my imagination would say it's nothing biological tho....anything that has / will visit us will not be organic. Certainly not a silly grey alien.
May 30, 2008
2:58 p.m.
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TheFatManRocks writes:
Elkman,
Here is a stat for you, since you are a man of statistics
and "hard proof".
CNN poll:
Is The US Government hiding the fact that it knows of the existence of aliens?
Yes: 80%
No: 17%
Here's the link: http://www.cnn.com/US/9706/15/ufo.poll/
Now you're going to say that you don't believe the poll, or that the 80% who responded "Yes" is an idiot because you don't agree with them!
May 30, 2008
3:02 p.m.
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TheFatManRocks writes:
AlienHoax,
What if it's exactly what you said before?
The part about us being related to them in some way...
Just a thought...
May 30, 2008
3:04 p.m.
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Cobra_Commander writes:
Here is another stat- 95% of the "believers" that have some of the more outlandish posts on this article have a rather extensive toy Light Saber Collection. Of those, 82% are yet move out of thier mom's basement-
Based on facts of course...........
May 30, 2008
3:04 p.m.
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Lordthumbs writes:
WHAT IS A SKEPTIC, because surely it cannot be alienhoax or elkman,
a skeptic worth mentioning id DR. Alen Hineck, who worked as the lead scientist for PROJECT BLUE BOOK, now this is what skeptics should look for.
with our current internet skeptics, you dont get much validation.they dont "disprove" aliens in other words. Dr, hineck actually went to the locations of sighting,landing, adbuctions, took pictures, spoke with hundreds of people did the foot work in other words. MADE IT HIS LIFES WORK...he then realized there was something actually happening in the skies and eventualy became the the lead believer in UFO phenomena..
If you actaully walked the skeptic walk you would dive right into ufo cases.. why havent you kids done this yet, your very quick to talk about our tax dollars and greed and yes, for your level of awareness those are valid points, we DONT want our money being wasted on stupid things. but you should remember that your money is going to be wasted weather you like it or NOT its a stupid game humanity plays, so if we decide on wasting our money, dont you think wasting it on a species that could actually help solve some of the environmental problems be a better bet.
and stop speaking as if this video is a hoax. it hasnt even been released yet..LOL at least watch a fake video before you call it that, nows a good time to do your skeptic homework before the new video releases. HEY and get this, then you can judge the video with a little more knowledge on the subject. feel free to stab back.
May 30, 2008
3:05 p.m.
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MeAgainstMachine writes:
Fiesty - go ahead and run that patch! I'd like to see you make it through all the way to my computer to disrupt my internet for ten minutes.
If you should succeed (which I doubt you will because that would be a lot work and a good 3-4 firewalls to breach), I will go play Xbox for awhile or maybe go throw my old lady down for late nooner.
You on the other hand will still be sitting at your computer in your boxers getting all sweaty and worked up over something you started.
All of you thread smack talkers love the anonymity behind the internet and threads such as this one. There is no way you folks talk this kind of trash in public while engaging in similar debates, because if you did you would all have your jaws wired shut. Natural laws of predatory survival would over take your big mouths with fists full of knuckles.
May 30, 2008
3:06 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
MeAgainstMachine- sure, as long as I see you from 1700-0200 sharp. Turn about is fair play, right?
AlienHoax- Um, don't need to "calm down", had just asked if you had any observations on the aforementioned cases. Don't think I stated it in an emotional way, actually thought it was rather matter of factly, but if you took it the other way I apologize. However, if you look at my previous post to you, I gave you kudos for an observation...
May 30, 2008
3:10 p.m.
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elkman writes:
love_light-piece:
"if you want to believe you will". Well, you pretty much summed up the debate. You have to want to believe, before you can. I want to believe in the Easter Bunny, but I can't. Facts then, are unimportant. Just want to believe. Thats all it takes. Nothing else is important. What ever happened to common sence?
May 30, 2008
3:10 p.m.
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AlienHoax writes:
@Lordthumbs
I read very little of The Keepers, but have listened to interviews...sorry, I don't buy it. But I see Jim did get AT LEAST 24.99 from you for his book, and who knows what else. I mean just go to his homepage, he is looking for money on 4 different links...WITHOUT even telling you what his site is really about. He is banking on people knowing him / his story, and just blindy buying into it. Heck, he is OFFERING consultations to other abductees.
I'm a believer my friend, but I'm not a blind buyer. Not everyone that has a great imagination tells the truth.
Don't get me started on Phil Shneider either!!!
May 30, 2008
3:13 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
MeAgainstMachine- my, my, look at all that testosterone! Too bad I'm not a man so don't play that game (or wear the sweaty boxers you mentioned). Yet I can't help but note that you start it, then can't take it? Or can't handle being called on your foolish assumptions?
Hmm, since I'm in the IT security field, with an emphasis on network security, am Security+ certified, as well as a certified Ethical Hacker, you might lose that bet... Unfortunately for me to keep my status (and clearance), I can't take a boasting braggart like you down. Seems your comment about internet loud mouths applies to yourself- "takes one to know one".
May 30, 2008
3:15 p.m.
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NeilT writes:
"Ethical Hacker"
LOL!
That just sounds funny.
Neil-Ethical Bank Robber
May 30, 2008
3:18 p.m.
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elkman writes:
Is there anything that people won't do for money? The answer is no.
May 30, 2008
3:20 p.m.
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Modane writes:
O-Qua Tangin Wann Qua Omsa Lagee Wann everybody. Bababooey to you all!
May 30, 2008
3:20 p.m.
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Lordthumbs writes:
@alienhoax
im not interested in JIM SPARKS or PHIL SHNEIDER these people arent important here, the fact that they are refering to something bigger than US is. If anything was to be retained from jims book (which spent 12.00 @ amazon) its that our environment is in a real critical state!
lets pause here and think about whats taken place on this page. we have responded back to one another about the presense of ALIENS here on earth, not their existance in the universe.. BUT WE MISSED THE WHOLE POINT!!! were supposed to be getting fired up about the fact that we are killing our planet..yes i sound green and im not assamed.
90% of alien adbuction cases refer to this very message, we are doing harm to the planet. this is what matters and this is why UFO's are becoming a pressed issue along with the deline of our environment.
and by the way, in 1994 at a school yard in zimbabwe africa 62 school kids saw a ship land and three aliens got out and telepathically sent this same message to them, every kids drew the pictures and also told the same story, i for one believe the "kids"
google it before you bash it please.
May 30, 2008
3:21 p.m.
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GameGrrl writes:
@Fiesty, OMG you made me spit out my water! -regarding the sweaty boxers comment! ROFLMAO I'm still in tears
Well, no wonder the alien looked faked... cause it's a cloned version to make a point. However, I still want to see the real thing and judge for myself. I still want to know what the reporters who were there think of the video!!
May 30, 2008
3:27 p.m.
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GameGrrl writes:
@LordThumbs ... I remember that story that happened in 1994 at the school yard with 62 school kids. Crazy story, but that was proven to be real! Those kids were interviewed seperately and everyone told the SAME story - which is hard to do if they were lieing! Thanks for bringing that to our attention.
May 30, 2008
3:27 p.m.
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Mayor writes:
I think 280Pagoda needs to recalculate that work as the speed of light is 186,000 miles per second not miles per hour.
May 30, 2008
3:30 p.m.
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MeAgainstMachine writes:
Fiesty - no, you responded to my comment on your own. I didn't seek you out specifically. I haven't trashed you or anybody in any way. I certainly did question you though. Nice try on the spin, but I don't think you're gonna get a cookie on this one.
Anyways, happy geeking. I gotta go, 4:20 is in less than an hour and I gotta go get some doritoes and buster bars from DQ. It's time for me to go to work on my self enlightenment so that I may return to another thread with a self righteous, pretentious feather up my keister...I think all of that will help me fit in better amongst the masses such as yourself.
May 30, 2008
3:31 p.m.
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suzukidragracer writes:
@Gene:
Back to the original question. Does Al Gore believe this guy? It could be related to global warming.
________________________________
HAHA that was the best line in this whole discussion!
I think it's so funny because it has such an element of truth to it.
I just saw an article about how Jupiter is warming up substancially. I guess we're ruining our planet so fast we're already radiating heat throughout the solar system!
I wonder why Al Gore hasn't commented on this, I mean, it just proves that Global Warming is REAL!
May 30, 2008
3:32 p.m.
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AlienHoax writes:
@Lordofthumbs
Do you know me?
Do you know how much research I have put forth in UFO activity and my involvement in the space program?
"for your level of awareness those are valid points"
Who / what gives you the authority on my credibility, or how much I have poured over the facts, stories, papers, videos, pictures?
The fact is, yes....there is life on other planets. Mars has proven that to us. Is it to the point of where saucers are flying overhead and peeking in our windows, stealing our babies and making genetic mutations...who knows. Do you Lordofthumbs? Do you have first hand knowledge, your DNA being spliced in the front of your face? No...probably not.
But what you DO have is books you've paid for, internet sites you've visited with pay-per-click advertisements, television shows you watch with commercials, conferences you have attended that require a cover fee...the list goes on.
You see, I was that person...one of the "believers". A believer in EVERYTHING...the fact is 99% of this is a business. Peckard is proving that today, sparks proved that yesterday.
Almost all traumatic experiences, life changing events, important milestones in a persons lifetime are blurry, with just the important things as a memory. Think back in your life...ANY occurance, can you think of your wedding day with the clarity of sparks' story? No, you can't. Can you think of ANY event in your life, even ONE week ago with the clarity or exact detail as sparks does in his? No...
He is a writer, his memories are so vivid because he writes them, rehearsed them in his mind...time and time again, to make a believable story. The more you rehearse, the more vivid it becomes.
The fact is human brains don't work like that, either sparks has a superhuman memory to the calibur of a genius, or he is just a good writer looking to bank some money.
And his "friend testimony" did they come out and tell you this in person? Here I can make a Friend testimony too.
larry williams: Aliens are green and have 38947 eyes and drink fish eggs to live.
easy huh?
REAL SKEPTICS, don't believe all the BS they need to pay to hear over and over...
Please tell me you believe in Phil Shneider...his story of fighting aliens that shoot lasers from boxes on their chest in an underground alien city he "discovered"...and being the only one to survive, eventho trained military were there as well. That story cracks me up...
May 30, 2008
3:35 p.m.
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elkman writes:
TheFatManRocks and love_light_piece:
"When Aldrin appeared on The Howard Stern Show on August 15, 2007, Stern asked him about the supposed UFO sighting. Aldrin confirmed that there was no such sighting of anything deemed extraterrestrial, and said they were and are "99.9 percent" sure that the object was the detached panel".
So much for your misinformation about Aldrin.
May 30, 2008
3:35 p.m.
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AlienHoax writes:
Well I do agree with you that the planet is in peril...that is one thing that should be on the front page. Not this hoax!!
May 30, 2008
3:45 p.m.
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Lordthumbs writes:
@alienhoax
your right i was being a little presumptuous...forgive me ok,whateva
like i said, im not here to debate PHIL or JIM. and yes its sad to have to fork over the dollar just to get that much further when you delve into ufo's. example would be linda moulton howe with her earthfiles.com which is a great source though.. I realized that in some cases pushing out the 12.00 here and there actually help bring awareness to other people in other places that i have no history with.
my question to you is, since you were 99% in belief what happened. why are you not excited about exopolitical movement in which government take the evidence of UFO's away from the deptartment of defence and places it in the department of EDUCATION which is were it belongs.
What about the professionals who are actually the middle men of this business the regressive hypnotheripists? they didnt choose to get pulled into this game. a high majority of the time, they are conviced that abductee actually HAD an experience.
May 30, 2008
4:13 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
NeilT- trust me, I've heard ALL the jokes. I'd love to smack the moron who came up with that as the name, given its negative associations, especially since systems security is such a vital function! I would have called it "Intrusion Detection Specialist" or "Systems Integrity [or Security] Specialist". I prefer the "white hat" terminology myself.
I specialize in IT security, and intrusion detection/penetration testing ("hacking") is only a portion of what I do. We also do overall systems security evaluation, recommendations for both existing and new network/systems, data integrity testing, identifying and removing vulnerabilities, evaluation of both the logical and physical design/structure, education of users and management of effective systems security measures, patching systems, ensuring all legal aspects are addressed, developing security strategies, etc.
May 30, 2008
4:19 p.m.
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AlienHoax writes:
@Lordofthumbs
I'm not sure why I'm arguing the fact about phil, sparks, or any other claims of existence really. I'm just tired of the hype is all, I believe when solid factual information is there...o'hare, ect. that is VERY hard to coverup / dispute, it needs to be investigated. But it's a shame it gets lost in the mix of fanatical stories and beliefs.
As far as putting evidence in the hands of the department of education...I would assume defense is the most logical with it's close ties to our space program. But the bottom line is that no matter where the information is funneled too, it still has to answer to the higher authority of public safety and concern. I doubt placing the research in other departments would make little difference.
The only option we have for mainstream investigations are with the independant researchers, seti for example. But the problem with that lies in "credible" independant researchers. Too many people have an agenda, it's too easy to profit off stories, doctored photographs and videos.
And again, with the middle men of this business, it's hard to say...some experience much more than others (as far as what they hear, see from believers). I have seen so many accounts on area 51 and dulce that it's sickening, and i PERSONALLY know former area 51 personnel, and they claim nothing to their knowledge goes on with the phenomenon. But like the hypnotherapists...I'm just a person listening to stories from people I interact with often.
I guess I've just become sick of the hype, the tall tales, the profiteering, and sensationalism of the evidence. When it happens, we will know...it will not be deniable.
I don't even need to see this footage from this story, he has 2 obvious reasons for the release of this video (documentary / city council). It's just a further example of MANY other accounts, "world changing information"...more like a golden opportunity.
Again, I'm not saying I don't believe...not the case at all. I just HAVE seen the "evidence" and unfortunatly don't buy into much of it at all.
May 30, 2008
4:30 p.m.
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pj writes:
Okay, this is a bit hokey here. If you were a homeowner and you saw something like this, you'd keep the darn camera running and try to get more than a "peeper" on film.
I truly believe we are not alone in this big universe, but please, this hoax is too much.
May 30, 2008
4:31 p.m.
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AlienHoax writes:
@fiesty, I apologize for missing that post so many posts ago...I'm "enjoying" my last day of vacation today so I'm having a hard time keeping up on who is talking to who most of the time.
I accidentally missed that and by no means am i lashing at you, I actually believe you posted that comment throwing kudos my way as i was responding. My aplogies...
@fatmanrocks
I also missed your post about "if they are related to us" which by all means is possible if greys do in fact exist...which I think if they do exist that is the ONLY way they do, with relation to us. I guess I was just saying that if they had the technology to travel back to us, observe us, genetically modify us 6,000 years ago...I would doubt they would need to spy on us through windows, or if they did, they could do it without detection from some average guy in Nebraska.
May 30, 2008
4:31 p.m.
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OhBrother writes:
gssh, I wouldn't have guessed time travel experts have enough free time to blog on line! Here is what bothers me...lets say the video is real and they even have other proof aliens do exists...what exactly should I get taxed extra for? an alien welcome comity???? what do they give them a Pepsi and a I-pod? I don't care if it's real or fake ( I personally think other life exists outside of earth ) but what exactly is some group of sci fi, comic book loving nut jobs going to do to that I couldn't do my self if I was face to face with a green guy. I would rather take my chances at getting vaporized then some star war obsessed, 40 year old virgin, live at my mom and dad's, magic the gathering warcraft playing r-tard that would probably get punched directly in the eye by the alien before they deemed us all worthless and burnt us to a crisp, "expert" getting paid tax dollars to be at the helm. Thanks for directing all aliens to come to Colorado first, maybe your life long dedication to speaking klingon and your knowledge at using "the force" will protect planet earth...
May 30, 2008
4:36 p.m.
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John_Galt writes:
The people that believe in this fake movie are the same ones that will vote for a Democrat for president.
May 30, 2008
4:40 p.m.
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Domino writes:
Oh my god, he is at my window. Help, help!
May 30, 2008
4:41 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
AlienHoax- I'm with you on that. As councilwoman Barwood stated, it's not only a security, but public safety issue. As prior military, I do NOT like the fact that we apparently have unidentified craft flying in our airspace, that our jets can't catch.
Further, IF alien abductee stories are true, it's even scarier given the statistics on the number of people who go missing every year- an astounding 2,300 adults and children are reported missing EVERY DAY in the US alone![1] Reports of missing persons have increased sixfold in the past 25 years, from roughly 150,000 in 1980 to about 900,000 this year- for a total of almost 6,000,000 in six years.[1] Where are they all going?? 6 million in 6 years is a hell of a lot of bodies to "disappear".
I remember a show, I think it was Dateline, where a former FBI agent discussed the issue. He discussed how murders, abductions, accidents, runaways, etc seemed inadequate to explain the disappearances, particularly given the low number of recovered "john doe" remains and relative difficulty in hiding remains. He said there was a deliberate attempt to minimize the numbers as to "not alarm the public".
[1] http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_...
May 30, 2008
4:46 p.m.
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Lordthumbs writes:
@alienhoax and whom ever this may concern,
this will be my last post by the way, and i wish you all believers and skeptics alike a nice weekend.OK with that said,
I to am begining to get drained with the UFO neon lights reaction. I only had to go through with it to get the information, and ive come across a lot of very interesting cases. cases that seemed conclusive even without the hard evidence.
Im feel privilaged to have the internet as a resource to the phenomena. and i dont care if some guy has to create a hoax film in order to get congress to finally admit to what they have been hiding.
As time goes by, i can feel the energy in the air, something is coming and or happening now. I also feel as if i have a purpose even if it is very tiny. a purpose to do what i dont know, only time will tell. I just hope for those who insist on laughing at believers, to refrain from laughing in the face of family if there were such a situation. you couldnt imagine the feeling of disconnect after having a family member concider you the crazy one in the family.
Lets hope too that DOROTHY IZZAT (www.capturingthelightdvd.com) actually has some very very very compelling footage in her acclaimed 30,000 ft of film (8mm). and yes i spent $20.00 on her dvd. shes a sweet old lady how could i resist. lol anyway, its been nice going over the issues.
as a reminder...WE NEED TO GO GREEN PEOPLE, im sure colorado looks beautiful, but Cali is lookin pretty bad. we need action.
If there happens to be a big wig reading our posts.. and you have the authority and or money to help make a change or the movement for disclosure please help. Thank you
-Lord Thumbs
May 30, 2008
4:47 p.m.
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R8R_H8R writes:
It's amazing to me that all the aliens go right to the government, and then are covered up.! Why not go to the middle of any town or city, land, and let thousands/millions see? Things that make you go hhhhmmmmmmmmm. I would like to know where they get their pot. Seems like top shelf stuff to get you to believe this empty-headed nonsense.
May 30, 2008
4:48 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
AlienHoax- that's okay, I can sympathize with the vacation syndrome. Due to taking a new job two months ago where time off is actually possible, today is actually the first day of vacation I have taken in ages, and I'm loving it. :-)
May 30, 2008
4:55 p.m.
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AlienHoax writes:
@fiesty
Well one way to "explain" the mysterious disappearances:
The Greada Treaty
Again, sensational stories and fanatical accounts...but an interesting read. I personally don't believe one shred of it, but it can explain the missing.
Whoever comes up with some of these stories sure can make up some scary stuff!!
May 30, 2008
4:59 p.m.
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OhBrother writes:
ok-fiesty makes some good points and others have as well. I don't dispute some things like missing people as even with seral killers and human trafficing that doesn't add up BUT the story at hand seems stupid. This guy has like a 10 yr old video that wasn't such a big deal before but is now as we are in desprate need of a "Denver ballot initiative to organize an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission" WHAT? This isn't x-files dude, I'm sorry to be a jerk but if this is proven to be any type of hoax this guy should see serious jail time...it's one thing to research and find facts but it's another to make fake sh*t up and force people to waste tax money...that's all i'm sayin if this guy try's laughin this one off as a ol "I fooled you" the next anal probe he recives should be from big buba in the slam
May 30, 2008
5:07 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
AlienHoax- I had never heard of the Greada Treaty, so googled it. Scary crap indeed!
OhBrother- we are in complete agreement. The guy is a kook, and hurts those trying to find out the truth by giving skeptics something to make fun of. There are legitimate events that warrant investigation.
May 30, 2008
5:29 p.m.
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AlienHoax writes:
@Lordthumbs
Have a great weekend to you...I can tell you do the research and look at all the available information...keep searching for the truth, but make sure you decide for yourself!
@fiesty
Yeah, it is some crazy stuff...the people that can think up things like that are scary! If you keep reading about it, it's just the tip of the iceberg.
May 30, 2008
5:31 p.m.
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nonayerbsns writes:
I don't believe it is real, but I've met plenty of idiots who think some guy named Jesus ascended into heaven and watches over the people of this planet every day.
May 30, 2008
5:56 p.m.
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Mildred writes:
I DON'T THINK WE ARE ALONE,THERE'S LIFE OUT THERE.
THIS PICTURE OF THIS ALIEN -IT LOOKS LIKE A HUNTING CAT.
IF YOU LOOK CLOSER,YOU CAN ALSO SEE A BIG ALIEN FACE ON THE WINDOW.
WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO RELEASE THE VIDEO?
May 30, 2008
5:58 p.m.
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randmc writes:
I see a lot of "maybe they'll share their technology, maybe they'll share their technology" from the backward colonialists who still want something for nothing. Always on the dole; give me yours; what you got for me? This whole incident is more enlightening of the attitudes of mankind than the reality of extra terrestial life. And why we have a long way to go.
May 30, 2008
5:59 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
AlienHoax- Food for thought regarding crazy theories:
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
- Hamlet Act I, Scene 5
"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't."
- Mark Twain
May 30, 2008
6:22 p.m.
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Mildred writes:
that is a Wild CAT.
May 30, 2008
6:30 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
To goose-good point on 'idocracy'-thanks for the example
To vudumom-tax payers will NOT have to fund this-relax
To love_light_peace-THANK U, THANK U, THANK U
To ColoNative, elkman, steel-perhaps u should take your own advice-WAKE UP! You're in denial-not the millions of millions of people who have experienced the 'para'normal.
As it would appear, I could go on and on addressing the ignorance here and occasionally thank the people who don't hate life or themselves and think, 'hey, maybe there is more to life than just us?' I'd like to re-iterate the following as I sincerely feel its important:
I'm going to put this as simple as possible. ANYONE who mocks those who have had experiences is simply arrogant. That would be like me saying, no, your family didn't experience a 'miracle', it was just a coincidence that your mom doesn't have cancer anymore... NO-ONE has the right to judge ANYONE!
I for one, have worked with the C.B.I., Denver D.A.'s Office, Denver District Court, and have been a probation officer. So I think...its safe to say I have SOME credibility and I can ASSURE you, w/o a shadow of a doubt, we are not alone. To think we are is a delusional concept that not only mocks those who've experienced things that our science can not explain, but also to those who haven't and believe 'God' (or some version of God) only created us. COME ON!
And so we come to this...well ok, maybe there are other civilizations out there, but they are too far away. Oh really? Why, b/c OUR primitive science says so??? Lets remember, on the evolutionary scale, we are NEW BORNS!!! Is it not at all possible to think that a species far more advanced has found a way?
So to close this out, let me say that I for one more than support this agenda; I welcome it with not only open arms, but an open mind. And it is true... Your mind works like a parachute, functioning best when OPEN...
Remember those of you who find comfort in your sarcasm...'sarcasm is the refuge of the fearful'...keep it up...you'll just prove this point...OR...try to further educate yourselves on the topic-THEN TRY to say the same things you've been saying with such conviction. NOT possible.
Blessings...
May 30, 2008
6:53 p.m.
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mtnmama430 writes:
Keep on peepin ET! Maybe you can find Bin Laden!
May 30, 2008
6:55 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
FYI rickg19611- Joanne Almeida isn't a democrate, a republican or an independant per se... She's an INDIVIDUAL who needs proof from a republican, demo, or inde... Interestingly, she's gotten more proof from E.T. than any of our 'trusted leaders'!
Anyone bother to try and educate themselves yet? Just too easy not to...ignorance IS bliss! Its much easier to pick fun at what you don't know instead of educate yourselves and admit you're wrong... That takes a person w/integrity and the SINCERE willingness to learn, even if that means accepting you're incorrect.
My heart really goes out to everyone in the dark who wants to stay there... Hope you find your way!
May 30, 2008
6:59 p.m.
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AlienHoax writes:
@kendraknows
I take it you believe this video then?
May 30, 2008
7:05 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
@ AlienHoax
I saw it and thought it was pretty impressive...however, I would like more research into it myself. While I'm a pretty open person, I'm like most any other person in that-yea, hard, physical evidence is best...but one thing at a time I guess... :)
May 30, 2008
7:10 p.m.
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nonayerbsns writes:
@kendraknows: It is human nature, and an imperative part of human nature, to 'judge others'. It is how decisions are made, from where to shop, what to buy, neighborhood to live, etc. It is how we choose our life partners, our employers, our employees, etc.
May 30, 2008
7:14 p.m.
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mtnmama430 writes:
Because of technology it is just harder to believe a video or photo-especially a lame one such as this-the truth is out there, I just wish we would have the physical evidence or at least more credible than the peeping ET. Why are all aliens depicted the same? And why can't we find Bin Laden?
May 30, 2008
7:16 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
@ nonayerbsns
It may be human nature to 'judge' things such as what stores to shop at, what to items to purchase over others, and what neighborhood to live in versus others, but we know it (at least I'd hope u do) is wrong to judge others...it is immoral.
May 30, 2008
7:16 p.m.
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ES writes:
That looks so fake its embarrassing. What a Hoax.
May 30, 2008
7:19 p.m.
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AlienHoax writes:
@ kendraknows
I can't dispute how you feel about the footage, impressive or not. But how to you take to the way it was "exposed"?
1. requesting a Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission, in which he will obviously want to run / sit as a chair. (75,000 dollars requested at first)
2. NOT releasing this information / video of "life changing" events to the general public, or to the mass media. The media was already on board, interviews lined up ect.
3. SAVING this information for a documentary he will obviously sell.
4. Sudden claim to faim:
"I've got about four or five interviews already, and I'm in discussion with Inside Edition, Good Morning America, Fox national news and a Moscow TV station that wants to send a team,"
"NBC national wanted me in five different time slots tomorrow on different programs. I took three of them,"
I wish there was some truth to this video...but from the patterns so far, it's a safe bet it is a fake. Which is sad really, FOX news had an interview with him today that was downright embarassing for him, and anyone that believes there is a different truth out there for us.
I have a bad feeling this video will take us two steps back in any real proof / investigations.
May 30, 2008
7:22 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
@ mtnmama430
I agree w/u that as our technology progresses it makes it more difficult to be able to judge what is real vs. fake (see nonayerbsns, perfect example of judgment here! :))... With that said, keep in mind that years and years ago we didn't have this technology and yet these experiences were happening and the evidence that we have (i.e. photos) is pretty good...(most of it:)).
Also, I feel that like humans, there are different species of aliens as well...perhaps the species we tend to frequently see is just visiting us more...just a thought mtnmama430... :)
As far as Bin Laden...your guess is as good as mine!
Blessings... :)
May 30, 2008
7:23 p.m.
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budalazena writes:
I'm just all confused! I have watched the videos and the blinking eyes are pretty convincing but the still shot has graduating sizes of faces in it. Then there's the windows issue--the video's window has multiple panes and the still shot has two panes (How many windows was the "alien" peeping into?) Also, the two faces look nothing alike--the still photo looks ghostly and the video looks like a skeleton head, but the eyes are blinking! That would be really good puppetry to make the eyes blink!
May 30, 2008
7:28 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
@ AlienHoax
I hear ya! I can't disagree w/ya, but I sure hope you're wrong regarding the two steps back!!! I think we're already a little...um...behind... :)
And I tell ya, after speaking w/Jeff today...he is such a sincere person... no, that doesn't hold water, but I understand where he's coming from. :)
May 30, 2008
7:32 p.m.
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Hillary4Prez writes:
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May 30, 2008
7:32 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
@ budalazena
The still photo is an actual still from the real footage, whereas the 'video' they are showing (I think you must be watching Larry King?) was a 're-enactment' by a group attempting to show the invalidity of the real video. I can tell you however, this is just my p.o.v. mind u, what I saw was much better than the fake...thats just me! :) Blessings to you budalazena... :)
May 30, 2008
7:34 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
@ Hillary4Prez
NICE!!! ;)
May 30, 2008
7:49 p.m.
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rururuland writes:
you saw it kendra?
have you studied this field at all?
May 30, 2008
7:54 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
@ rururuland
Yes rururuland, I did see it!
And yes, I have been studying this field for YEARS... :) There's a lot to be studied... :) I've done everything from simply reading to viewing documentaries to attending conferences to actually having my own experiences... so yea, I know a bit... :)
May 30, 2008
8:10 p.m.
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rururuland writes:
I'd like to think I have also studied this for a long time as well. Tell me your impressions of the video Kendra.
May 30, 2008
8:12 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"I for one, have worked with the C.B.I., Denver D.A.'s Office, Denver District Court, and have been a probation officer. So I think...its safe to say I have SOME credibility and I can ASSURE you, w/o a shadow of a doubt, we are not alone."
well, that explains it all right there. all of those things added up make you an expert on extraterrestrial life.
(and before you go knocking me, i already agreed that we aren't alone... but in agreement that 99.9% of what people put stock in and call 'proof' is b/s. and the remaining .1% is questionable at best.)
May 30, 2008
8:30 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
@ rururuland
How long have you been studying this field yourself?
Well, my take on it was just wow... I mean... if it is real, its quite incredible! If it isn't (as of right now, I think its real...but I do feel there needs to be more analysis), then its a pretty darn good fake! But I really could see muscles move in its face and its eyes blink, but...it doesn't look like its blinking eye lids as much as perhaps like a third eye lid (like some animals have)...pretty neat!
@ TheDenverB
All I am trying to do is prove -per the media's standards on who may be a credible source vs. who is isn't-is that like many other law enforcement officers, I too have witnessed things w/which our science can not explain...I never said that my credentials implied I was an expert in the 'para'normal, rather, that what my co-workers and myself have experienced combined w/our credentials according to the media's standards make us 'credible resources'. Period.
May 30, 2008
8:37 p.m.
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singularity99 writes:
Regarding the comment about Einstein's speed of light barrier, that is kindergarten physics. We are way beyond that now. If you study the history of science, in every era the establishment scientists arrogantly proclaimed that they had mastered the understanding of physics, and were subsequently proven wrong. The speed of light barrier is essentially a function of relativistic mass increase, as is time dilation. In other words, mass creates the Einsteinian limits. If you eliminate mass, you eliminate all of these barriers.
Haisch, Rueda and Puthoff have already proven that mass and inertia are side effects of subatomic particle interactions with the zero point field. When you cohere to the zero point field by using a pulsed plasma, you not only eliminate mass and inertia, but also tap into an inexhaustible source of energy, where one coffee cup full has enough energy to boil off all of the world's oceans.
Ben Rich, the legendary former head of the Lockheed Skunk Works, where all highly classified aircraft are created, once said “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity….. anything you can imagine we already know how to do.” Yep, we have already been to the stars. I have seen the technology firsthand.
May 30, 2008
8:42 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
@ singularity99
Thanks for the insight singularity99... as I'm sure you've read, it was well needed! ;) Blessings...
May 30, 2008
8:49 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
no, they don't.
how, as cops and court workers, are you any more credible than joe farmer in nebraska, old retired RV couple in new mexico or frank the drunk on the corner on paranormal activity.
because you are cops and court officials in your professional life, it somehow makes your private belief in ufo's more credible? i could care less if my neurosurgeon believes in flying saucers, as long as he does his job well.
the two have absolutely nothing in common.
only if you were a scientist studying in a related field, and would be willing to stake your professional credentials as (again) a researcher in the related field, would you have some credibility.
that is why the media has some (albeit loose) guidelines on who they consider 'credible'.
May 30, 2008
8:50 p.m.
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rururuland writes:
20 years kendra. They are here and hvae been for awhile I belive. We have reverse engineered their tech. I would also believe singular's claims.
May 30, 2008
8:53 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
singularity99- so do you think it's ETs, future travelers, or past travelers? As much as I would like to blame experimental aircraft for sightings, it doesn't explain artifacts from pre-flight eras which depict classic UFOs.
On the subject of reputable and validated UFO cases, anyone familiar with the Phobos 2 missions? Some of the footage has blown me away.. Phobos is a moon of Mars. Joseph Shklovskii, noted member of the Soviet Academy of Science, and co-writer Dr Carl Sagan of 'Intelligent life in the Universe', once calculated from the estimated density of the Martian atmosphere and the peculiar "acceleration" of Phobos, that the satellite must be hollow.
In 1988, the Russians launched two unmanned satellite probes (Phobos 1 and 2) towards Mars with the intention of investigating it's moon, Phobos. However, both were inexplicably "lost" a few short months later, but not until some astonishing footage had been received- clear evidence of unnatural formations and sighting of a possible space ship or missile moments before contact was lost. (See some of the news footage from it http://youtube.com/watch?v=L_x68J3tZj...) A few years later in 1992, NASA launched the "Mars Observer" with the intention of a two-year mapping survey of Mars. Yet within 3 days of its arrival, it too was "lost"...
May 30, 2008
9:32 p.m.
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KYJurisDoctor writes:
Why would Aliens choose him? It CANNOT be for his superior intelligence, obviously!
OsiSpeaks.com
May 30, 2008
9:41 p.m.
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me2 writes:
We see UFS`s every night, but we mistake them for airplanes or satellites.
May 30, 2008
9:53 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
@ TheDenverB
Did you not just ask me not to 'knock you'? Well then TheDenverB...do your self a favor and do the research... I made the statement I did regarding my credibility due to what the MEDIA considers to be a CREDIBLE source, not what the all mighty TheDenverB considers...
To the following: only if you were a scientist studying in a related field, and would be willing to stake your professional credentials as (again) a researcher in the related field, would you have some credibility.
Is a very loose statement...did you not read my other comments? I have been RESEARCHING this field for YEARS!!! I am a Sociologist w/an emphasis in Criminal Justice and also an Anthropologist...fyi...
By the way-we have two ears and one mouth, perhaps we should try using them appropriately for a change...
May 30, 2008
9:59 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
@ rururuland
Wow! Thats great! I agree w/u 100%! If anyone did their research appropriately they would see this... but as I mentioned earlier, no one wants to b/c then they would have to admit they were wrong and most human's egos couldn't take that blow-at least not the majority of the ones here!
@ KYJurisDoctor
Perhaps he was 'chosen' b/c he has an open mind...ever heard of it? I'm sure they would've come to you, but after realizing you would either shoot them or have your beliefs so shaken as to doubt your very existence that they just decided to go to someone who gives a crap... Or perhaps we are ALL chosen, but those w/closed minds will never know what they're capable of b/c they'd rather be in the dark... need a light???
May 30, 2008
10:25 p.m.
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sweet_nocturne writes:
Bollocksing rubbish.
If aliens are real, they are never going to come to this planet, because they'll be smart enough to see that we've ruined it and there's nothing here for them. They'll also figure out that we'd probably follow them back to their planet, take over, and mess their's up too. On top of that, if they ever did come to Earth, they would not come to the states, because they're smart enough to know it'd be fruitless. We'd deport them for not being tax paying citizens.
Very nice try, though. Amazing how it made it down to earth undetected and then, doubly amazing, that the man happened to have a camera at the precise time the obviously not very intelligent "alien" decided to pop up.
That is some bloody amazing luck.
May 30, 2008
10:28 p.m.
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McCainorHillary writes:
I doubt we are the only 'intelligent' life in the universe or the one next door - but I am skeptical about this purported video for a couple of reasons.
If this is a highly advanced creature with technology and intelligence greater than ours, why just peer through the window? I thought they could walk through walls, according to UFO experts? Why didn't Mr. or Ms. Alien notice the camera? Again, I thought these were advanced beings?
Just wondering.
May 30, 2008
10:58 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
@ sweet_nocturne
Perhaps entities further advanced than us primitive beings have hearts... just a thought...
@ McCainorHillary
You have to remember, that there are SEVERAL different species of aliens, so to assume that they all have the same capabilities is like assuming we all know how to use the wii... Perhaps this particular species knows how to do these things, but fearing its own safety knowing that this dad (Stan) was trying to protect his children from what he thought was a peeping tom, decided not to just materialize through the wall... In addition, perhaps it 'wanted' to be caught on camera...think about it...its far less invasive to be caught on film then to break through a protective parent's wall just to say 'here I am!'
Just a thought... :)
May 30, 2008
11:53 p.m.
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OCNJ64 writes:
HEY!!!!! That's the alien that I caught looking into my window also!!!!!.....NOT!!!!! I think someone has been hitting their Prozac just a little too hard.
Frank
May 31, 2008
4:06 a.m.
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tmallow2004 writes:
Amazing how desparate someone can be to garner attention. And the stupidity of people who actually believe this: The truly low-life leading the even lower lives!
May 31, 2008
7 a.m.
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mtnmama430 writes:
But again, at least it is a fun diversion from the news of the day
May 31, 2008
7:41 a.m.
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randmc writes:
Although I certainly believe that we are not alone in the universe, there is a very large sign posted by those much wiser than us at the edge of our solar system that reads: "STOP!! FORBIDDEN!! THIS SYSTEM IS IN ISOLATION. ENTER AT OWN RISK." We are not ready for general contact; we let children starve, and tell people to kill, and let people die, because its a basic freedom, just like being poor; ask GW.
May 31, 2008
8:03 a.m.
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Spiral115 writes:
It is really amazing that you never get a high definition, clear picture of an "alien" that can't be taken apart by real experts. Those rascally aliens are quite clever and don't want us to actually see them or know about them for sure. I guess like other fairy tales, we are just supposed to believe on faith alone.
May 31, 2008
9:09 a.m.
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gmc writes:
Is this the same Stan Romanek that posted this ghost video also?
http://photos1.ghostweb.com/romanek.html
Lot's of weird stuff happening at ol' Stan's house.
May 31, 2008
9:54 a.m.
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Sigmond writes:
Obama says: If elected President, I will agree to meet with alien leaders from other planets. Just in case they might be planning the destruction of earth. It never hurts to work things out with your alien enemies. Maybe if I gave them Vermont, they would leave us alone.
May 31, 2008
10:07 a.m.
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Okaaaay writes:
Well I took photo of an alien being with a FLIR infrared camera in my kitchen...Look here:
http://photos1.blogger.com/photoInclu...
May 31, 2008
11:24 a.m.
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MystrEye writes:
USAliens
May 31, 2008
11:36 a.m.
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axlenut writes:
Sorry folks, but we are alone. There are no intergalactic aliens visiting us. The Universe is not a collection of separate parts or things, or even localities, but a single construct (I hesitate to say holistic because of New Age implications). The field giving rise to space-time is not constrained by the limit of light speed imposed on communications in four dimensional space. Hence omni-directional communication is not only instantaneous, but can arise prior to any actual "local" or point event occurring. Thus, the creation of any sapient rational life form anywhere within the system causes the probability field to collapse preventing another such life form from arising, or selects among coexisting forms for the most viable, e.g. Neanderthal vs Homo Sapiens.
There is only one intelligent rational species allowed per volume of universe. It's an experiment that requires isolation of each specimen.
How do I know this? It was in a note that fell out of my box of breakfast cereal. It was signed by Gene Roddenberry.
May 31, 2008
12:27 p.m.
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lawton90 writes:
ToeNee, you forgot about teachers and unions.
May 31, 2008
12:36 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
@ tmallow2004
Sounds like you know all about: 'The truly low-life leading the even lower lives!' Thank you for your example of desperation...it appears you know a lot about it...
@ axlenut
First, sorry you feel so alone...that must be difficult...but just b/c u do doesn't mean that we are alone. I guess all the people who HAVE had contact are just 'nuts'... In addition, your example regarding Neanderthal vs Homo Sapiens isn't a very good example of what is possible in the vast reaches of the universe... That was PRIMITIVE man... (And it appears from your statement not much has changed...super) Seriously think about this...you honestly think that we're it? C'mon!!! Well everyone, I guess its time to also abandon your religious beliefs-those prophets didn't see chariots of fire and Ezekiel never saw a 'wheel in the sky'-they were all 'nuts' according to the axle'nut'. Whats in that cereal man? Maybe you should lay off it for a bit to see if your rational returns...
Neither of you will EVER see the light if you continue to live in the dark; need a light???
May 31, 2008
1:14 p.m.
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thebrokenforum writes:
"I guess all the people who HAVE had contact are just 'nuts'.."
Correctamundo!
May 31, 2008
1:42 p.m.
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Raydo97 writes:
You guys are right to make fun of people who believe it's possible for life to exist on other planets and that, maybe, those beings have visited earth.
What a crackpot notion!
We should only believe in REAL things that MAKE SENSE. For example, we know Jesus walked on water, rose from the dead, and then ascended bodily into heaven. We also KNOW his mom was a virgin. How do we know these things are real? Simple. A book written in the 1st century by people who DIDN'T witness it says it happened. That's all the proof we need.
We should also believe that Muhammed flew on a magic carpet and provided water for 1,500 people from his finger tips. He also flew to heaven on a "mythical winged horse." Yep. He flew right through the ozone layer with no heat shields to protect him. Then, he went on into space where he had no oxygen to sustain him. But, he did it. It was written in a book and that's all the proof we need.
These magical space men were REAL and they are going to come back to rule the earth some day. They will reward those who believed in them and punish those who did not.
These are FACTS that everyone knows to be true... even though we have no evidence to support any of these stories. That's not the point. The point is that billions of people believe these two stories without question and no one makes fun of them, so they must be true... right? I mean, these stories certainly make sense to any reasonable person, don't they?
But, the possibility of life on other planets? Why, that's just ridiculous! Anyone who believes it's possible for life to exist on another planet is crazy!
May 31, 2008
1:42 p.m.
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mosstam67 writes:
Real or fake, Hillary probably wants it seated as a superdelegate.
What better way to bring the Earth to its knees?)
May 31, 2008
4:23 p.m.
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astrochilde writes:
love_light_peace:
Part 1:
OK, I took the bait and looked at the websites you listed. As someone who believed in UFOs for years, but gave it up because of the lack of any real evidence (other than stories by attention-seekers, and easily-dismissed phoney-baloney "evidence" like the Romanek video). Here is my objective assessment:
Youtube: Galactic Federation of Light, Sirians, Pleaidians,
Andromedans, Annunaki, Reptilians, (Rysa5 has tonnes of info):
No evidence. Just the ramblings of voices claiming to be "channeled" aliens. Easily done by a creative audio producer.. most have the same girl doing the channeling. Who is she? How much is she getting paid? Obciously produced by the same loser who posts the following website:
PAOWEB.com: Sheldan Nidle is a contactee with the Sirians:
Nothing here - just the opinions and make-believe of a person who wants to sell books. You want the "evidence" he claims he has? Great; pony up the cash and he'll sell you a book. Ronco Slice-n-Dice couldn't have done it better. Pure crap.
Part 2 follows....
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May 31, 2008
4:24 p.m.
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astrochilde writes:
love_light_peace:
Part 2:
NESARA.US: National Economic Security and Reformation Act
What does this have to do with ETs??? It's nothing but a PAC, and here's what they want to do:
1. Restores Constitutional Law in America as of NESARA’s public announcement.
2. Removes US administration officials and all members of the US Congress from their positions due to their continuous unconstitutional actions. Bush, Cheney, Cabinet members, and all members of Congress are immediately removed from office by NESARA’s public announcement; specific law enforcement personnel shall physically remove Bush government officials from their offices. These removals allow a fresh start at the national level. Using the Constitutional Line of Succession, NESARA installs Constitutionally acceptable NESARA President and Vice President Designates until new federal elections can take place within six months after NESARA’s announcement.
3. Because NESARA abolishes unconstitutional states of emergency, NESARA’s public announcement declares “peace”. US military in Iraq and Afghanistan are immediately recalled to the USA.
4. As partial remedy for 90 years of government and banking fraud, NESARA requires zeroing out of credit card balances and bank debt relief be given to Americans.
5. Initiates the US Treasury Bank System with new U.S. Treasury currency backed by gold. The Federal Reserve is abolished; Federal Reserve facilities and most personnel are absorbed into the US Treasury Bank System.
6. Abolishes Income Taxes in US and creates a national sales tax on new, non-essential items as revenue for government. Essential items such as food and medicine, and used items, are exempt from the sales tax.
Spare me.
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May 31, 2008
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astrochilde writes:
love_light_peace:
Part 3:
LUISPRADA.com
Ah, one of those "Jesus is a Space Alien" sites. Here's an excerpt:
"...I, with the Second Coming event, become what is called a "Planetary Prince" in our Universe. I will be the representative of the Universal headquarters on Earth." —Sananda (Jesus), April 23, 2005, see the full message at: No Other Planet Has Walked Personally with Christ Michael As You Shall Do.
From JESUS-SANANDA, THE CHRIST:
“There must be peace on Earth. There must be an end to wars and hatred between brothers. The millions that come from other worlds, from far-off galaxies, to assist in bringing Peace upon Earth, have My staunch support and backing for all of their endeavors. They have come in My Name and they serve under My Banner, as Lord of this Planet. They come not as intruders nor usurpers of My Authority, but in loving subjection to the Spiritual Hierarchy of this Solar System, and the Divine Plan for mankind, the deliverance from bondage that has long held Humanity in subjection to darkness and sorrow.
“This shall be no more, for these come as My Angels, to reap that which has been sown, to divide and set asunder the tares from the wheat, to gather the wheat into My Barn. For I AM the householder who cometh at the end of the day for an account from His Servants, and to give to all men justly in the manner given by them to Me. So judgment must come; divisions and sorrows must come, but the Earth shall survive all of its totterings. The Just shall inherit the New Earth and the Meek shall know the joy therein.
“I am SANANDA, known to you as JESUS THE CHRIST. I speak in the Authority of My Name and My Office, and I say to you that in the multitudes of the people of the Earth there shall be found that Remnant who can steadfastly be faithful to those right principles of my teaching. Those who come In My Name go from heart to heart, sealing them against that day and marking them for deliverance and safety from all that would destroy. But you shall NOT be taken out of your physical forms, but you shall be spared to live on in those days that follow. So, I shall call unto those who follow Me, to listen to the voices of these who come from other worlds, and harden not your hearts against their words nor practices. Rather, lift up LOVE unto them and desire for their coming, for They are the Angels of the Harvest!
“I am SANANDA, and this is My Message to the World.”
Esu Immanuel Sananda through Tuella (Thelma Terrell) from the book The Ashtar Command through Tuella, Project World Evacuation.
This has been a prevailing ideology of ET conspiracy theorists form a long time. Totally unprovable. Nothing here, move along.....
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May 31, 2008
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astrochilde writes:
love_light_peace:
Part 4:
Google pictures: Crop Circles
These have been proven fake and man-made for decades. People have even come forward to admit they make them, and how they do it:
http://www.circlemakers.org/guide.html
Grow up.
If you want to believe you will:
This last sentence pretty much sums it all up, doesn't it?
Pathetic. There are far more important things to be spending your tim eon that will REALLY make a difference. Pick one. Mow a lawn, fee a homeless man, play Parcheesi. Anything. Please.
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May 31, 2008
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nonayerbsns writes:
No, Kendraknows, it is NOT immoral. Did you choose your husband or other lovers, or were they just thrust upon you? (pun not intended) We do judge others. If you believe what you say, I can only assume you are still in high school. In which case, we should stop this conversation here... you are too young to know any better.
May 31, 2008
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Monadnocker writes:
My gawd...what a MORON. This makes news in Colorado????Bahwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.......
May 31, 2008
5:35 p.m.
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Monadnocker writes:
Hey!!!! Maybe it's Ward Churchill looking for a job.
May 31, 2008
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KellyAnn writes:
Where are all the comic book nerds when ya need them?? Its obviously The Punisher skull, possibly a reflection. Why did this make news I wasnt aware the war was over and our soldiers had come home. Good to see we have our priorities in order.
May 31, 2008
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axlenut writes:
Dear kendraknows:
It is not I that feels alone, but God.
You see kendraknows, this is not the real world, the ultimate reality, the permanent and unchanging center from which ever changing forms arise. Death is proof of this, to be real, permanent and truly alive one would have to be immortal, omnipotent and omniscient, existing without physical reference, yet omnipresent - everywhere the same eternally. Yet, if such a being was desirous of creating a physical universe, one that contains content including axlenut and kendraknows, it could be characterized as an infinite consciousness animating a finite universe of ever changing forms. Forms based on previous content, experience and outcomes. You see kendraknows, we are just the creative experiential froth of the universal consciousness - God if you will. Belief is optional, but we are ultimately alone, as there is nothing but God playing at being us and everything else. Indeed, kendraknows, there is but one identity for the entire universe, "I am". It is shared as a self reference by every living person and the creator. All else is illusion, nothing but the dream dance of a single mind devolving energy and matter.
Enjoy the peace and solitude. Be not afraid, you are loved beyond your comprehension.
May 31, 2008
10:51 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
I actually feel dumber for even getting on here much as less read any of the absolute stupidity I've been reading. Dam I must be high WTF am I doing on here? This must be for people who live in front of their computers and eat hot pockets and drink energy drinks.
June 1, 2008
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theoak1978 writes:
Everything is perfectly timed. The era of separation from the knowledge of the universe is coming to an end. This knowledge however will only come to us as soon as we open our minds to the possibilities and open our hearts to unconditional love for ALL Gods creatures. If YOU were from another world would you want to introduce yourself to beings that hadn't resolved racism and slavery yet? A lot of change and old ideals have to die off before that happens. If your a representative of this mindset don't worry there is no need to fear anything but fear itself. If you have constructive feed back I'm interested. If you have a response that is full of fear and negativity go tell your loving pet.
June 1, 2008
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bobo writes:
Another illegal alien.
Great.
June 1, 2008
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axlenut writes:
Dear theoak:
Your comment connotes a misunderstanding. Racism, slavery, genocide, the entire gamut of human malevolence, is a deliberate part of the act of creation. How else is an immortal, eternal and infinite consciousness going to test the breadth and quality of morality, ethics and compassion? This particular facet of creation is our mission; we are the moral agents of the Creator, testing with our lives, blood and emotion the qualities of these behaviors. Only Man can behave so; willfully comparing malevolence against benevolence. That you find those behaviors distasteful is exactly your purpose.
There is no separation from total knowledge of the universe, it exists everywhere always, in every moment and point. We can not partake in the experiment if we are intuitively aware of what is going on, so that ability was denied us. Hence we created science and reductionism to seek the answer. If everyone knew the answer, the experiment would end.
Finally, there are no others to introduce to our world. Recently, astronomers have been astounded by the fact that the Milky Way galaxy, the sun and Earth, seems to be located at the exact center of the universe! Which implies that Man indeed is the reason for it's existence. The Strong Anthropic Principle vindicated - that the universe is designed to produce Mankind, and by implication, no others. You see, every word, every hidden coded phrase and symbol in the Bible is exactly true. We need not engage in self-loathing, we are the embodiment of its purpose.
Love and compassion is winning the argument, and you are leading the way; be joyful.
June 1, 2008
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tunedtonow writes:
there is real evidence out there. tons of it...but just consider this one FACT in S America. The Nazca lines are Peruvian Geoglyphs. There have even been a few attempts to discount these mysteries..but really using common sense no one from the ground can see these figures. So please... you tunnel vision folks explain it for us open minded folks. Remember the governments of the world use everything they can think of to keep our noses to the grind stone working/producing to keep the tax machine running.
The powers that be need us to be focused on American Idol, NBA,war, or global warming... while the real truth is there to be found if you would really look. The internet is the genie out of the bottle...protect the last realm where freedom exists.
June 1, 2008
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love_light_peace writes:
theOak:
you've got the right idea
June 1, 2008
10:24 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
tunedtonow:
it’s nice to see open mindedness shining through in this debate (which has now been going for 3days - hmm? hot topic? lol)
the eye covering veil of control is as you say...suppressing the expansion of conciousness~ - this is coming to an end and will open the door to a new path - taking us away from the..
direction we all know is wrong.
the taxes you mentioned are certainly a part of this control, but might not be for long (fingersXd) -check out www.nesara.us
to all the believers here - good on ya, cheers
June 1, 2008
12:24 p.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
axlenut:
i dont have much to say to you other than this...
if you really believe that the universe existed for billions/trillions of years without any intellegent life forming, and that it didn't happen until tens of thousands of years ago when we came along, you are truly lost my friend
all the sites i gave which you were so quickly to prove wrong, exist for a reason - it's not just a bunch of ppl who decided (all over the world) to send the exact same message, at the same time
good for you for finding ONE crop circle that has been explained by a hoax...good luck with all the other THOUSANDS that happen each year
it's very obvious that you do not want to believe, so don't
June 1, 2008
2:33 p.m.
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theoak1978 writes:
Axelnut
Thank you for Your input and thoughts. They helped evolve mine and i hope in turn You experience the same.
Referring to the racism and genocide. I agree that if we didn't have conflict that we wouldn't be able to learn. The point I was trying to make was the reasoning behind non-discloser of the existence of extra terrestrial life. It may not be that "the government" is holding back information but rather "they" the life forms are waiting till we are ready. Hence overcome racism and slavery first.
It doesn't matter if the video is fake or real. Part of the result is this very conversation. The conversations, forums and controversy is resulting and contributing to the opening of minds and possibilities. I read in one reaction where they asked the question, "If these beings are all knowing and advanced why would it let it self be caught on camera and why wouldn't it just walk through the wall?" They are right that these beings are advanced; so much that they know the reaction humans will have to this. The possibility of this footage being real is the goal to achieve. It is rather relieving that the polls are showing an average of 75% that believe and 25% disbelieving. This is what "they" are watching. The sooner people open their minds the quicker the entire planet will receive the knowledge that we are inner-galactic beings. This knowledge will unlock the library within us. to be Continued........
June 1, 2008
2:34 p.m.
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theoak1978 writes:
Axelnut
Responding to the comment about knowledge and being cut off. The knowledge I'm referring to is an inherent and instinctual form of knowledge. Knowledge that is kept in books and taught through the machine of society is and will become extraneous and or obsolete. The knowledge that is an inner knowing is becoming and will be the solid foundation of truth. For example you can not prove through conventional science and logic that you love someone. However you can prove that insulin performs a specific result in a diabetic’s body. The difference of knowing something as an undeniable truth within you compared to proving a fact with a book or formula through science from outside you is the delineation between true knowledge and formulated knowledge. I see the benefit of science and reductionism: Through this the real knowledge is being discovered. For example science can explain how the body works but is at a loss to explain where the energy source comes from. That answer is discovered within us as a blueprint of our existence. Unlocking the universe is our choice because we define it as we discover it. The full circle ends and begins with us.
I honor your idea that because earth and the Milky Way are in the center of the universe it suggests that we "mankind" are the purpose and sole existence. However through a collection of efforts, past, present and future, we as all creations are on the same journey; to evolve ourselves through love and creativity. Mathematically and in my inner knowing I am sure we are not alone. I suggest to those that have a hard time considering and opening their minds to other intelligent life: go into the country on a clear night, lay down and gaze at the stars. Hold a quarter up and understand that in that space the quarter takes up billions of galaxies and planetary systems exist. Then tell yourself we are alone. We often base other life forms off our qualifications to exist. Consider an ammonia based life form, or one that breathes helium, or those that don't breathe at all. I am curious how you've concluded that the universe is designed to produce Mankind, and by implication, no others. Did you conclude your belief through an implication? It is true that Earth is very important in the outcome for the next evolutionary step for all existence. If the universe was designed (by whom?) to produce mankind, is it not possible that other life forms are here to assist the production of mankind and in turn evolve themselves through the lessons we offer? Personally, the possibilities are the important factors here, not absolutes.
June 2, 2008
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nevadamufon writes:
If the "City Fathers" vote for this ridiculous scheme and alocate taxpayer funds, they should all be fired. Who will be the head of this E.T. Committee? Let me guess, Jeff Peckman?
Will Mr. Peckman be paid a salary to run this "committee"? Seems like a big case of self interest and personal gain to me.
I am the Nevada State Director for the Mutual UFO Network. (MUFON)
Others only talk about ufo's.... MUFON is the worldwide non-profit organization that actually puts boots on the ground and investigates!
The difference in comparison is that MUFON is a voluntary organization. We are not paid and do not expect monetary gain for our diligent investigating! We offer our individual expertise to help an important cause, the scientific research and investigation of ufo's for the benefit of Humanity.
Jeff Peckman on the other hand is using the public's mis-lead interest in ufo's as a way to obtain a cush job at tax payer's expense. (I am only assuming that this is how the reality would be if Jeff Peckman succeeds in conning the City Fathers into funding such a waste.
Shame on Jeff Peckman. Even though his efforts bring attention to the ufo phenomenon, his intentions do nothing but push the truth farther and farther out of our grasp.
We need more John Schuesslers and James Carrions, and less Jeff Peckmans and Stan Romaneks.
I'm glad I'm not a taxpayer in Colorado!
June 2, 2008
9:55 a.m.
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meatwad writes:
So all of Los Angeles was in on the hoax in 1942?
June 2, 2008
10:25 a.m.
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666 writes:
I don't doubt that there's the possibility of life on other planets, or the possibility that they may one day visit us (if they haven't already) but to take action on such shoddy evidence is JUST PLAIN STUPID. Really...it's like using the "Blair Witch Project" movie as evidence of the supernatural. Look at the most recent edit to the story, and check out the copycat video made by skeptics for like $90 and some change. Very similar to the so-called "evidence" video, and according to them rather easy to do. It obviously isn't anywhere near as difficult to fake as Jeff "Tinfoil Hat Commando" Peckman would have us all think.
Are we really going to throw money at another grainy picture of bigfoot?
June 2, 2008
10:39 a.m.
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meatwad writes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_coa...
read that, i'm sure it'd be a hell of a lot more difficult and expensive to fake...especially for the time.
June 2, 2008
11:54 a.m.
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666 writes:
Meatwad, what the hell does some WWII UFO hysteria have to do with a grainy, low quality film made in recent times that has demonstrably been duplicated in a short time and with little cost? My point is that extraterrestrial research, a potentially worthwhile subject, should not be pushed to the forefront based on such weak evidence. Don't try to take my skepticism as an attack on your beloved beliefs. I'm saying that this one incident is poorly reinforced by very disputable evidence.
And by the way, as far as the Los Angeles thing is concerned, your comment about "the time" fails to recall that the great H.G. Wells/Orson Welles "War of the Worlds" radio fiasco happened only 4 years before. It's hardly conclusive on its own, let alone as vague corroboration for Peckman's E.T. Crusade, some 66 years later.
June 2, 2008
12:09 p.m.
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meatwad writes:
and i said i was supporting researchers at the expense of tax payers when?...
"Meatwad, what the hell does some WWII UFO hysteria have to do with a grainy, low quality film made in recent times that has demonstrably been duplicated in a short time and with little cost?"
-So you discredit it because it wasn't recent? How do they relate? I don't know where you're steering this conversation, the fact that i havn't posted more than two sentences astounds me. I'm referring to the people saying hoaxes fill the ufo films and files or whatever. If that's so than the whole town was huddled in a black out in the early morning with live ammo shooting over their heads. I don't know but the people who died seem pretty dedicated to the hoax.
"And by the way, as far as the Los Angeles thing is concerned, your comment about "the time" fails to recall that the great H.G. Wells/Orson Welles "War of the Worlds" radio fiasco happened only 4 years before. It's hardly conclusive on its own, let alone as vague corroboration for Peckman's E.T. Crusade, some 66 years later."
- How does that relate? I mean the battle of los angeles was inconclusive and NOT A STORY. I'm talking about 1942, not some story that scared a bunch of people....this was real and had casualties. As for peckman...if he had something to do with 1942 than he did a hell of a job...and is one sick.....
June 2, 2008
12:22 p.m.
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meatwad writes:
Actually, my "especially for the time" comment was saying that they didn't have the money to spend as leisurely on entertainment as we do today. I'm sure they could've afforded to fake the whole battle of los angeles thing, but what would be the point? Waste money to scare people? Not that they didn't have the creativity to produce something of that nature as i'm thinking you implied.
June 2, 2008
12:42 p.m.
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666 writes:
My point, which you are so laboriously trying to ignore, is that the current, Jeff Peckman incident, which is NOT RELATED TO THE EVENTS IN LOS ANGELES IN 1942 IN ANY CONCEIVABLE WAY, is poorly corroborated by flimsy evidence. Quit trying to change the subject by referring to something off topic and unrelated. You're not doing much for your own credibility by continuously trying to sidetrack the discussion.
June 2, 2008
1:07 p.m.
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meatwad writes:
Well if you want to talk about that than we're going to agree. Than what are we going to do at work the rest of the day.
I know that the footage at hand isn't that great of evidence, but it does relate to 1942 in the way that both are allegedely (however it's spelled) extraterrestials. I can see you have a love affair with this peckman guy, so just get off it already and don't let your hatred for one person over shadow the bigger picture. I'm just saying because 1942 has proof, casualties, and artillery shells that there is in fact something else out there.... I don't care about your "I want proof" attitude, it's there if you can stop being so skeptical. I'm asking you, what happened in 1942 and why are you so quick to turn the subject back to the one in your favor? Is there something that you don't want to believe? Maybe peckman wasn't involved that's why you don't want to talk about it. THE FACT IS BOTH ARE DEEMED EXTRATERRESTIALS SO THEREFORE IT IS RELEVANT TO THE CONVERSATION.
Try a post without using Peckman in it ;P
June 2, 2008
1:50 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
I agree with meatwad- Peckman's "evidence" is flimsy and not really convincing of anything. Just because the video was authenticated as genuine, does not mean that the "alien" was.
There are other, much more convincing cases that can be examined, such as the Phoenix Lights, Chicago O'Hare incident, Rendsleham Forest encounter, and Phobos 2 probe destruction. All of these have copious footage, were witnessed by either hundreds/thousands of laymen or by credible witnesses with applicable expertise, and have yet to be explained.
June 2, 2008
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666 writes:
Meatwad wasn't the one casting doubt on the evidence. Meatwad is obsessed with 1942. I'm the one who wants to stay on the topic of this video farce. I'm not the one trying to bludgeon people into believing by smacking them with an unsolved World War II paranormal mystery.
I personally have no interest in the 1942 thing because (a) it was 66 freakin' years ago, and (b) the following investigation was deemed inconclusive. Why is it that, to some people, "inconclusive" means "insert crackpot theory here"?
All I'm saying is that the video does not prove anything. Introduce me to a Martian friend of yours, or invite me to a meet-and-greet at the nearest Andromedan embassy, and I'll take you seriously. But show me a low-res, barely discernible video of what might or might not be an alien...and all I'll have to say is "so what"?
June 2, 2008
2:16 p.m.
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meatwad writes:
Open your eyes 666...very original. If you missed the opening of my last post "Well if you want to talk about that than we're going to agree. Than what are we going to do at work the rest of the day". Meaning I see eye to eye with you on the current evidence.
Fiesty also went on to throw out a lot more cases that are like the Battle of Los Angeles. Cases that went unsolved. Too bad your insert crack pot theory doesn't apply to all of them, they all had credible witnesses, and lots of them. Yea, they were all on crack according to you, the casualties weren't real.
"All I'm saying is that the video does not prove anything. Introduce me to a Martian friend of yours, or invite me to a meet-and-greet at the nearest Andromedan embassy, and I'll take you seriously. But show me a low-res, barely discernible video of what might or might not be an alien...and all I'll have to say is "so what"?"
-All im saying is open your eyes and think about it. How can you say that there's nothing going on? Yea this recent evidence is horrible but there's plenty that has happened that will leave you wondering wtf was that? Just because you never get out side leaving you no chance to see something extraordinary doesn't mean everyone else has. I personally have seen some weird shi*, maybe you havn't. That's why you can't understand, or open your eyes and realize something's there. Stick your head back into your pc and talk about how fake this last one was, but never try to disprove the various other accounts that have happened. Is this the only one you can really try to disprove?
-On a side note, all experts that examined the video said it wasn't fake. and the ones who faked the other video to say it can be faked also said it "looked more animated". Than why not spend the extra time on the pc and make an exact copy? Go taht extra mile to get rid of the animated look and prove yourselves right. I'm more inclined to believe experts rather than people with the name....666 lmao.
June 2, 2008
3:43 p.m.
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theoak1978 writes:
Are we missing the point of all of this?
I doesn't matter if the alien in the video was real or fake. The fact that you two are reacting in such a way is the real result. It's challenging and opening our minds. The human race for the most part is slow to learn. It took a LONG time for people to finally realize the fact that the earth is round. And the same goes for believing that we are not alone and have been collaborating with other life from other planets for a very long time. The funny thing... people say the don't "believe". It takes a lot for something to go from a belief to a fact. Even if aliens landed and we ALL saw them come out of their ships the hard core skeptics still could not believe it and explain it saying it was gases coming from cows crap or some sh**. In order for humans to take that leap we need to understand that skepticism and sarcasm are a product ignorance, ignorance is a product of fear. And here's the punchline.... fear only exists in our minds. Until the majority of people realize this and adopt it into their lives we will be kept in the dark and continue the childish arguments and back and forth toddler mentality. Reading your comments, 666 and meatwad, reminded me of when I was 4 fighting with my brother over toys. You two are fighting to disagree when you both want the same thing.
June 2, 2008
5:54 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
theoak1978, I sometimes think that the ONLY thing that would convince the skeptics is what you cite- a UFO landing, with aliens coming out, and then staying long enough for the skeptics to meet them.
I mean, geez- in the Phoenix Lights event, you have a large flying object that was witnessed by thousands, lasted three hours (long enough that all the local news got hours of footage), seen by the Governor, investigated by a Councilwoman, seen by air traffic controllers and a commercial flight crew at Sky Harbor when it passed over an aircraft, and the military/gov actually admitting that it was nothing of theirs. I mean, what more could you ask for??
June 2, 2008
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ImSoThirsty writes:
fiesty, theoak, love_light_whatever, et al.
What you fail to realize is currently all the "evidence" currently consists of is ambiguous video, grainy photos, and eyewitness accounts. We have this same "plethora" of evidence supporting ghosts, bigfoot, fairies, and a hundred-odd different religions.
Extraterrestrials will never be "accepted" by mainstream people or critical thinkers until there is ACTUAL PHYSICAL evidence. We have such evidence for the existence of bears, diamonds, chocolate, and everything else that "skeptics" accept to be real, until such evidence can be shown for alien visitors, they will not be accepted. No amount of "this website has everything about the Andromedans!!" will convince any critical thinker.
Almost assuredly there is life elsewhere in the universe, there are many distant planets we know to have similar atmospheres, etc. BUT the universe is a very big place and the odds that one of those lifeforms has found this tiny blue planet out of the at least 100 billion trillion stars is incredibly tiny. There are billions of asteroids in the universe, but that doesn't mean they are all going to find their way to Earth.
June 2, 2008
7:24 p.m.
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theoak1978 writes:
imsothirsty
I apologizes that you just can't understand what I wrote earlier or you wouldn't have responded in that way.
If you couldn't look at your birth certificate to see your name you wouldn't believe your mom if she told you your name was Mark.
Interesting math equation.... very big place, odds that lifeforms have found us, tiny blue planet, 100 billion trillion stars, incredibly tiny... you forgot quadraquwazillion and sectropafilliousisadillion.
Consider this calculation; think of All that life out there, our desire to explore and evolve, and the technological advancements humans have made in our short recorded history the conclusion shows they are here with us. There are billions of life forms out there and nearly 60 have apparently been identified here. How many asteroids have been recorded coming to earth? No not all lifeforms are coming here but some have. Try not thinking in absolutes. This is not all or nothing.
Besides all that what do you know in your heart as a truth?
June 2, 2008
8:03 p.m.
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ImSoThirsty writes:
I believe I "understood" what you wrote earlier, but that does not mean I agree. Skepticism is why we have developed medicine, rather than rely on "faith" healing. I am not "afraid" of aliens. Do you believe in Santa Claus? If not, why are you afraid of Santa Claus?
quadraquwazillion and sectropafilliousisadillion are not words, so I really don't know what you are trying to say there...
The conventional estimate is 30 billion trillion stars, but new data from Hubble suggests 100 billion trillion+ which are visible from our position. My point is that our star is one of many, and each star is veeeerrryyy far apart, so the odds of life existing is VERY different from the odds of life visiting, and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
Also, I don't understand your last statement, I don't think with my heart; my heart pumps blood. I prefer to think with my brain, and my brain has never seen an extraterrestrial. I'm sorry but there are many liars on this planet, so objective evidence is the only way to distinguish truth from falsehood. This is why I DO believe dogs and motorcycles DO exist, but so far have been given no reason to believe aliens, bigfoot, fairies, santa claus, etc. etc.
My point is not whether aliens have or have not ever visited Earth, my point is that no amount of words is going to change the minds of critical thinkers, only physical evidence will do that. Even if aliens are visiting daily, you are wasting your time without physical evidence.
June 2, 2008
8:56 p.m.
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theoak1978 writes:
I understand that planets are veeery far apart. However humans think in caveman terms considereing time and space. New thinkers are realizing the limitations in Einstines thinking. You'll see that traveling between in an instant isn't impossible.
I don't think physical evidence is going to convince skeptics. No matter what happens. People are convicted of murder and put in the chair from credible eye witnesses. Although when it comes to sightings and abductions eye witnesses are liars according to you. Even if 99% are liars then what about the 1%. This may not be something you can understand because you think in absolutes like those that died thinking the earth was flat even after proof was provided. But that is the saving grace of humanity. That old ideals and thought forms die off with their owners.
The downfall of man, if it happens, will be the inability to take action with what the heart tells you is true.
June 3, 2008
12:45 a.m.
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ImSoThirsty writes:
"I don't think physical evidence is going to convince skeptics. No matter what happens."
How can you say this when there is no physical evidence? Of course someone will believe something they've seen with their own eyes!
This conversation is clearly not going to go anywhere, as you somehow take it as a personal insult that many people are not willing to believe something on faith, without evidence.
I think in absolutes?! Because I don't blindly follow conspiracy theories, regardless of evidence?
"...will be the inability to take action with what the heart tells you is true."
Right, like when peoples "hearts" tell them to crusade, or suicide bomb. It is thinking that leads to peace, and blind faith which leads to dogma, indoctrination, and violence.
Ha! Not believing stories of little green men is equivalent to thinking the world is flat? Wow, you must be getting desperate for arguments. What's next, not believing every story of little green men makes me a (gasp) nazi!
YET AGAIN, I'm not saying whether aliens are here or not, but you will never convince anyone who THINKS FOR THEMSELVES unless you have objective physical evidence.
Heresay is irrelevant as proof. An enormous percentage of Americans will say they "know" Jesus is real, despite no evidence, rampant biblical contradictions, and despite the dozens of other "virgin birth, 12 disciple, dead for 3 days, resurrected" characters in myths that predate the christ story (like Mithra and Horus). There is no reason to believe any of these myths is more or less valid then the others, yet 90% will say "I know in my heart" that THEIR religion is the only true one.
The truth is reached through reason, not emotion.
June 3, 2008
1:45 a.m.
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theoak1978 writes:
Wow. U took it all out of context and chose what to address to shut out any concrete question and point that could evolve the conversation.
Any act of love comes from the heart. Otherwise it is brainwashing.
Truth comes from creativity and love, which is propelled by emotion.
No one can offer physical evidence that they are capable of love. The ability to love is parallel to the capability to see beyond yourself and your beliefs. If the physical is all you have then I'm sorry.
I'm not going to spend any more energy conversing with you. You'll figure it out.......
June 3, 2008
8:24 a.m.
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fiesty writes:
I'mSoThirsty- you don't read the posts. I have clearly stated over and over, that we have unexplained events requiring further investigation, for which we don't know the cause- ETs, past remnants, time travelers, etc. The skeptics need to admit that 1) something that can't be explained occurred, 2) aliens are one of several possibilities.
P.S. I scarcely consider the footage of the Phoenix Lights and Chicago O'Hare events as "grainy" or low-quality.
June 3, 2008
9:56 a.m.
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theoak1978 writes:
I realized later that the purpose of all this should be to unite people not divide us. We all want to know what the hell is really going on. Stop arguing over semantics and acknowledge that we know that there is something beyond this reality that is divine and of a high order; that is knowledge acquired through temperance, compassion for one another, and the boundless playground in which we all are exploring. The times we are facing is like the most beautiful flower opening where truth is found beyond the physical realm. We as humans are challenged to prove everything within certain parameters however we are finding that there are no parameters in the matters of unfolding and rediscovering our new identities and relationships to the world outside earth. I'm very excited and eager to embrace the keys for unlocking these mysteries. Instead of fighting we need to embrace each others differences because every individual offers a key or piece of the puzzle WE are putting together. I want the same result you want. Truth.
I say this because I have this overwhelming desire to help in any way. However, only we as a whole can support one another to rise to the occasion. Me verses WE.
June 3, 2008
10:27 a.m.
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fiesty writes:
theoak- problem is, the skeptics don't believe anything is going on.
June 3, 2008
11:05 a.m.
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theoak1978 writes:
Fiesty,
The platform of discovery is in not knowing what is going on. Like a child in wonderment of their existence. Every position that every person is living is in perfect placement. Like a play, every character contributes to the telling of the story where with out the smallest role that story is incomplete. So is there really a problem? I think the counter balancing of perspectives offers the foundation to discover. I have to admit that at times my mind goes to the most available explanation that I can only pull from my own thoughts. The skeptic can offer qualities that evolve my thinking and outcomes. Analytical thinking contributes to the formula of truth as well as dreaming of a world of unification and peace. It is the combination of the two that feed our quest for knowledge/light.
June 3, 2008
12:36 p.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
wow, well said theoak
you definately have the underlined understanding of what needs to, and what is, happening...
i feel you might enjoy looking into -The Galactic Federation of Light-
this debate HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR DAYYS!
pretty obvious that this topic is here to stay
June 3, 2008
1:30 p.m.
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theoak1978 writes:
I looked into it a few days ago from your link. It provided keys that unlocked information in me. Thank you for that my brother\sister. I know now that we are all members and have been for eons. Have you listened to the "Bringers of the dawn" on you tube? Just search that phrase and enjoy !! I was in awe when i read the book 15 years ago and had the most uplifting experience listening to it again for the first time. You seem very uplifting and I'm always looking to collaborate with folks like you. I work for a foundation that helps educate underprivileged children in the performing and creative arts. You should email me at tillageproductionfoundation@gmail to propel our thoughts and actions. Keep on rockin' in the free universe.
PS I apologize to imsothirsty for cutting you off. You have a valid point.
June 3, 2008
1:45 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
@ axlenut
Thank you for your input and for doing so in the manner w/which you did. However, I feel that the illusion is all around us, not the other way around. It is not an illusion to believe there is a higher source, a 'one'; it is not an illusion to believe we are NOT alone, and it is not an illusion to believe that when we pass on, we go into the ground and thats it. THIS is the illusion axlenut... I KNOW there is a God for what I have witnessed in my life, I KNOW we are not alone for what my family and millions of other people have experienced in this life and I KNOW that the end isn't w/our last breath, rather that is the beginning to another life... as THIS axlenut, is the illusion. Again, thank you for your comment, and I too believe you are loved...as we all are... be it all knowing, wanting to believe, or wanting to live in ignorance...we are loved...
Blessings to you all...
June 3, 2008
10:41 p.m.
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June 4, 2008
2:15 p.m.
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sherrycook writes:
EVIDENCE...there is plenty available if you search for it with an open mind. However, if you approach the topic of ET/UFO's with distain choosing to criticise instead of honestly researching for yourself you should keep this to yourself because by asking for EVIDENCE you show everyone you have not looked for EVIDENCE.
June 6, 2008
3:58 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
@ sherrycook
Well put! Thank you for your comment!
June 6, 2008
6:07 p.m.
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kendraknows writes:
FYI-according to http://www.laweekly.com/, the following:
"Vatican’s chief astronomer told an interviewer that belief in alien life does not contradict belief in God."
Just a little relief for those fearful ones...
Blessings...
June 7, 2008
5:58 a.m.
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axlenut writes:
The universe is not necessarily fourteen to eighteen billions of years old. There is nothing in quantum science, or anywhere else including Scripture, to prevent the creation and recreation of the universe in a recurring cycle, at any point of time. Indeed, the Earth could be only six thousands of years old, as some religious have suggested, yet created containing all previously existing content in the form of a fossil record. In this scenario, the Earth comes into being with all previous content included as a record of the evolutionary process. Such change would be instantaneous and undetectable to any observer from any viewpoint within the system. All individual and collective historical consciousness would incorporate the change as always having been there, or as a "new" discovery. New species and content appear spontaneously and may not be based on previous forms. All of us could have been obliterated and "rebooted" many times, at any point of our lives, while completely unaware that anything occurred.
Genesis contains an error of translation: The Hebrew did not contain the phrase, "In the beginning..." but "In a beginning..." implying possibility of multiple beginnings.
Creation is not a remote historical event, but an ongoing, continual, interrelated and interactive process directed in part by the creatures it produces. Thus the importance of prayer and worship.
People may be seeing things, but these things are either subconscious imagery, hallucinations, naturally occurring animals or unrecognized energy phenomena (i.e. UFO's), outright hoaxes, or bleed through of supernatural content (apprehending the divine process as experiencing an "other being" or outside intelligence). Sorry, but aliens from other planets are less likely than angels. That we exist is a proof that the entire universe is designed to be anthropomorphic in its nature. Man is not a just an animal, but a universal process where consciousness manifests in the material world. Indeed, Man is the sole place where such concepts as morality, religion, compassion and the state of being can exist! Indeed, I hypothesize that Man is co-creator of the universe, the material mechanism of a greater and sublime consciousness. You do not need aliens, you are the ultimate expression of everything.
June 9, 2008
9:28 a.m.
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brucemlloyd writes:
Let me get this straight…aliens travel billions of miles only to come to some hick's house in Nebraska to look in his windows.
Let me get this straight…aliens travel billions of miles only to crash in the New Mexico desert.
Let me get this straight…aliens travel billions of miles only to get caught and autopsied.
The Vatican says it's ok to BELIEVE in aliens. The Vatican wants to go on an intergalactic missionary mission.
It is human arrogance to believe that we are being visited. We're nothing special in the universe. Do you think a life-form that evolved on a different planet, with a different star, completely different environment could survive here on Earth? 70% of the life on this planet doesn't breathe air. And some of them have never seen the light of the sun.
And none of them have tried to make contact with us.
Life exists in the universe. It has never come to see us.
June 14, 2008
9:46 p.m.
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wisdomseeker writes:
Well I've watched and listened to this since the beginning but it's finally time to say something. Anyone researching this matter at any depth (ie the disclosure project) realizes that UFOs and aliens are real.
From the intelligent people I’ve met that have seen the Romanek presentation or have witnessed unexplainable events around him I’m comfortable believing there’s something to this. I have, however never heard anything positive about the Rocky Mountain Paranormal Research Society
It's very unfortunate This Bryan Bonner guy and his sidekick Mathew Baxter with the Rocky Mountain Paranormal Research Society have no credibility at all. I saw the youtube they posted before his appearance on the David Letterman Show. The video was titled as being the authentic Peckman/ Romanek video. THEY LIED! THEY LIED TO THE MEDIA! THEY LIED TO THE PUBLIC! They told the world they were someone they weren’t. I assume there are some legal issues there. I guess when they realized it was proof of their lying to thee public they tried to remove it but couldn’t completely. The fact is THEY LIED and should never be trusted with anything or ever have any credibility with the press.
I was able to contact Mr. Romanek and Mr. Baxter has NEVER been to the Romanek home and has NOT investigated items of the Romanek's experiences as he claims in article comments above.
Why does anyone tolerate these unethical practices by Bonner and Baxter. I have looked at their website and it's seems (based on their group photo) they're just a small group of "drama queens" attempting to get attention they can't achieve through constructive efforts. They need to be exposed by the media and shunned by the public on all levels.
Bonner/ Baxter and crew need to disappear so some genuine investigation and research can intelligently and honestly inform the world on matters of this significance.
Think People!...and then take rational appropriate actions
July 16, 2008
3:19 a.m.
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Baxter writes:
Wisdomseeker, you seriously need to learn to research yourself! We NEVER claimed our video was authentic. It has been reposted on youtube by many different people claiming many different things. Any real posts by us tell the truth.
We NEVER said that we had been to Romanek's home. We investigated what we were allowed to see at Stan's lectures. Normal people don't make huge claims and then hide the proof. We did what we could with what we could work with. The bottom line us that we see no proof of anything. If you have it, show it.
Now, let me see a photo of you so I can make judgments about your character.
September 29, 2008
10:26 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
what we are watching in the US wrt the financial crisis is the beginning of the end for the Illuminati; a new reality is around the corner once Bush is out of power. OCT 14 2008 UFO - for those who need to see to believe.
January 4, 2009
11:49 a.m.
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duttymonk writes:
I am a former Verizon employee and I quit after 18 years of service because they parade as if they are more powerful than the government. Their payroll department has stolen my identity and countless others and their response to that is if you want to get out of it, you must commit suicide. No Government agency will touch them even though I have 16 years of documented proof. the government wants to send people to travel in space and you need COMMUNICATIONS more than you need food and water for galactic travel to even be considered. The other reason I quit, and I am officially going on the record and letting you all know that FIOS is DEFINITELY ALIEN TECHNOLOGY. Just ask for a tour of one of their FIOS central offices and see for yourself. This country is spoon feeding us technology that they can make a profit on and suppress all the free energy technology to keep us slaves. Open your eyes. The bible is packed with alien and UFO information. Does anyone know the story of David and Goliath? Does anyone even want to know why Goliath was thirty feet tall. Just look at the old 15th century renaissance paintings of baby Jesus and you can clearly see a UFO shining three beams of light down on baby Jesus. People I suggest you all wake up a realize and understand that we are not alone and have never been alone.
If you need more proof just google SGT. Clifford Stone and if you are not convinced google SGT. Major Robert Dean. He has COSMIC clearance the highest security clearance in the military and Dr. Steven Greer is head of the disclosure project. These people are very credible and the same technology that were using to communicate on this blog is the technology that has backfired on this government. the truth is coming out and cannot be stopped. Real Talk.
January 4, 2009
12:24 p.m.
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duttymonk writes:
I took the liberty of trying to post Clifford Stone and Robert Dean here. Listen and learn. Also, The Fios technology was given to Verizon formally know as Bell Telephone co. to back engineer in the early 1950's. The technology came from the crash at Roswell.
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