Space alien video lands in Denver: Was it real or fake?
By Bill Scanlon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Originally published 12:05 a.m., May 30, 2008
Updated 03:45 p.m., May 30, 2008
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A still image of the video, handed out by presenters, shows the purported space alien, peeking over the window sill in the center of the photo.
Photo by Barry Gutierrez © The Rocky
Jeff Peckman, left, watches the media to make sure they are not filming a video clip of a purported figure of an extraterrestrial in a window that he showed to help his argument as he sponsors a Denver ballot initiative to organize an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission , holds a press conference at the Tivoli Student Center in Denver, Friday.
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Sotero Burciaga, 35, right signs a pertition for Jeff Peckman, center, who is sponsoring a Denver ballot initiative to organize an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission , after a press conference at the Tivoli Student Center in Denver, Friday.
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Media prepare for a press conference as Jeff Peckman continues to fight for a Denver ballot initiative to organize an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission , holds a press conference at the Tivoli Student Center in Denver.
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Jeff Peckman
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Skeptic Randy Bancroft attended the news conference.
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Media cameras lined up. While no actual video footage is allowed to be recorded, still photos might be allowed.
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Actual screen where space alien video appeared.
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Claude Swanson, a physicist from Virginia, said he's been familiar with the video for years. "I gradually became persuaded there was something real going on here."
The eyes of the world were on Denver today for the showing of a video that purports to show a space alien. Live transmissions and recordings of the video were not allowed. The Rocky's Bill Scanlon blogged live.
3:45 p.m.Several dozen people were in attendance today at the Tivoli on the Aurara campus in Denver. What did they see?
A classic E.T.-like creature, about 4 feet tall, with a narrow chin, a broad forehead and almond eyes.
Some people claimed to see its eyes and muscles move during the roughly two-minute video, which was briefly screened for reporters and the public at the Auraria campus today.
A skeptic said the being has a suspicious similarity to "Grey," the creature depicted in the classic 1957 movie "Earth vs. The Flying Saucers."
2:13 p.m. A Denver man Thursday night spent five hours and $90 creating a hoax video of a space-alien-looking creature peering through a window (click here to watch).
It looks eerily like the space alien video shown to the media today by a man who wants the city of Denver to create an extraterrestrial commission to welcome visitors from distant galaxies.
Believers in the Nebraska space alien video said the creature moved its eyes and muscles — and you can't just fake that unless you're a Hollywood special-effects expert and have thousands of dollars, they say.
Yes you can, said Bryan Bonner, a member of the Rocky Mountain Paranormal Research Society, which normally investigates claims of haunted houses.
Bonner says his group normally ignores the claims of UFO buffs, but when he realized that Jeff Peckman was asking for taxpayer dollars to form a commission, he figured he should do something.
"When we heard Peckman was going to show the video to the media, I said, 'I'll bet it's the Romanek video,'" he said, referring to the video that Colorado Springs resident Stan Romanek said he made on the night on July 17, 2003, at his home in Nebraska.
Thursday, Peckman announced that indeed it was the Romanek video.
So, Bonner got together five members of the society Thursday night.
"We started production about 8 p.m.," he said.
"We rented ourselves a 4-foot-tall foam latex alien" from a costume shop, said Bonner, who saw the Romanek video six months ago. "We were going to buy one, but I didn't want to blow the $230."
"They started rolling the video and moving the puppet up, down, around and sideways.
They sent the video from the camera straight into a computer, and one of the computer geeks used 3-D animation graphics to make the puppet's eyes seem to move, he said. "We gave him a couple little blinks."
The result was a ghost-like creature that looks slightly more animated than the one in Romanek's video.
"What they're claiming would take thousands of dollars and a lot of time ... we pulled the whole thing off for $90 and in five or six hours," he said.
Bonner said, "It's so amazing that anyone would believe that video is a real space alien. And it's so frustrating to see that they want to use city time and tax dollars on this."
12:33 p.m. Shannon Mundell, of Arvada, said she wanted to see the video because she's known people who have had contact with aliens and "when you look in their eyes you know that what they saw was real."
She said that other countries are more accepting of ET's, but that "in America, we just want to deny it."
Mundell said the video of the creature in the window "was very interesting."
"I can't say exactly what it was, but I think there's a good chance it was real.
"I saw the muscles moving and the eyes moving."
She said it was unlikely it was just a puppet because "only in Hollywood can they make such realistic-looking puppets and they cost thousands of dollars.
"It's very unlikely that Stan would have done something like that."
She said the video needs to be investigated further.
Mundell thinks that if there are aliens among us, and they are peaceful, "It would be wonderful for them to interact with our world and teach us their technologies."
She is worried, though, that if there's conclusive proof of aliens it would cause a lot of emotional suffering from people whose religious beliefs aren't compatible with intelligent life from another galaxy.
12:24 p.m. Jeff Peckman, the man trying to form an extraterrestrial commission in Denver, told the audience it's time to take extraterrestrial life seriously.
"It's time to get ahead of the curve," he said, adding that some high government officials in other countries and some retired military officers in the U.S. are among the believers.
He said even some Vatican officials say it's not incompatible for Roman Catholics to believe in extraterrestrials.
"They're our brothers -- God's creatures," Peckman said.
12:04 p.m. The presentation lasted about an hour and the video itself was a few minutes long.
Randy Bancroft and fellow skeptic Bela Scheiber found it interesting that the creature was never seen from below the neck.
"It looks like the quintessential Grey, right out of E.T.," Scheiber said.
Bancroft added, "Like with Alfred Hitchcock, it was what he didn't show you that was the key."
Audience members wanted to know why the creature traveled all those light years just to peep in a window.
"I have no idea," said Alejandro Rojas, a moderator from the Mutual UFO Network International, who said more investigation of this film needs to be done.
Other audience members asked why the government seems to be keeping evidence of UFOs secret.
Rojas, the education coordinator for the Mutual UFO Network, said perhaps the government feels the public isn't ready to see the truth.
The presenters of the video said it's been reviewed by experts who say there are no post-production add-ons, but Scheiber says that misses the point. The key is to find out whether the original video was a hoax. He noted many hoaxes in the past were perpetrated by teenagers and found it interesting that the Nebraska man -- Stan Romanek, now of Colorado Springs -- had two teenage daughters.
11:59 a.m. The film showed a window, reportedly 8 feet off the ground in a rural Nebraska town in 2003.
It was shot by the homeowner, who had earlier reported seeing UFOs hovering above his house.
This time, he said he set up a camera because he feared a peeping tom was spying on his two teenage daughters.
In the enhanced version of the video, a creature pops up in the window, looks around, and pops back down, again and again.
To skeptic Randy Bancroft, the creature looks a lot like the seminal "Grey," the creature in the 1957 movie "Earth vs. The Flying Saucers," which has a narrow chin, a broad forehead and almond eyes, not too different from the friendly alien in "E.T."
11:45 a.m. The drama must be intense down at Auraria. Hold the phone, because we should hear from our fearless correspondent shortly. Peckman was expected to keep a tight rein on the video and other live transmissions from the scene. No cause for alarm, we think.
11 a.m. Joanne Almeida, of Englewood, is at the film screening because, "I've seen things in my life.
"I feel a lot of people are arrogant" in their dismissal of UFOs and the paranormal, she said.
"Instead of being open-minded, they make jokes."
"They're arrogant to think this is silly and a waste of time when there are so many other things that are silly and a waste of time."
Almeida said she thinks a lot of this is tied in with oil.
"People in the high circle of politics are very greedy," she said.
"I believe there are a lot of alternative fuels that the politicians are hiding. Maybe that's the kind of thing they're trying to tell us."
Bela Scheiber, a member of the Rocky Mountain Skeptics, said "photoshop has come a long way."
He said it's no great trick to project an image on a video, given that two girls in England fooled the world about fairies 90 years ago.
He noted that a man who faked a photo of the Lochness monster confessed to it on his deathbed and that more than one person has admitted to faking signs of Big Foot.
Scheiber predicted that Jeff Peckman will show an ambiguous video and then "cherry pick the things that he wants to show the audience.
"And of course we'll cherry pick the things that we want to show the audience."
10:30 a.m. Claude Swanson, a physicist from Virginia, was the first to show up at the news conference in the Tivoli on the Auraria campus.
He said he'll talk for a few minutes about "how time travel is theoretically possible."
"There have been some faster-than-light propagations in the labs," he maintained. "There are lots of reasons to be open-minded about these things."
He said he's been familiar with the Colorado Springs video for years.
"The first year I was pretty cautious," he said. "I gradually became persuaded there was something real going on here."
6 a.m.
A proposal to create a commission that would prepare Denver for space aliens has turned the eyes of the world on the Mile High City.
From CNN to NTV in Moscow to the Daily Mail in London, news organizations worldwide are scrambling to land an interview with Jeff Peckman, who is sponsoring a ballot initiative to create an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission in Denver.
"I've got about four or five interviews already, and I'm in discussion with Inside Edition, Good Morning America, Fox national news and a Moscow TV station that wants to send a team,"Peckman, 54, said Thursday.
His phone kept ringing all day.
"NBC national wanted me in five different time slots tomorrow on different programs. I took three of them," Peckman said Thursday afternoon.
Later in the day, Peckman said he might appear on Larry King.
The media bombardment was triggered by a report on RockyMountainNews.com Wednesday in which Peckman said that a video purportedly showing a living extraterrestrial would be shown at a news conference today.
The story generated hundreds of thousands of hits.
"It's just an interesting story because you do have a lot of people who believe there is superior life, if you will, or another life form out there, other than ours," said Adrienne Wheeler, a producer for The Early Show on CBS News. "There's a huge following for this, as I'm sure you know," said Wheeler, who believes there is intelligent life outside of Earth.
Paul Thompson, a Florida-based correspondent for the Daily Mail in London, said the newspaper, which has a circulation of about 2.5 million, asked him to check out what was happening in Denver.
"In England, there was a big story recently where the government declassified certain files and it was all the UFO sightings," he said. "I think everyone is interested in UFOs."
Well, not everyone.
Denver City Councilman Charlie Brown said people can believe what they want, but the attention "is not very favorable to our city."
"Suddenly we're getting more national and international attention on this issue than the DNC," he said, referring to the Democratic National Convention in August.
"In some respects, it's a welcome relief amidst all the polarizing politics that we have," he said. "That's probably good, but it just doesn't bode well for our city."
--Daniel Chacon
Famous aliens
*E.T. , star of Steven Spielberg's 1982 blockbuster.
Made the phrase "phone home" an all-purpose part of the English lexicon.
*Close Encounters of the Third Kind aliens. Another Spielberg creation, they bear a familial resemblance to E.T.
*Yoda. One of the stars of Star Wars, the original Yoda was the creation of Jim Henson of Muppets fame. Yoda helped turn references to "The Force" into an everyday phrase.
*The Roswell alien. This alien's ship is said to have crashed near Roswell, N.M., where upon government officials allegedly suppressed the evidence. The official story? The wreckage was that of a weather balloon. The incident provided the inspiration for the founding of the Roswell International UFO Museum. roswellufomuseum.com
*The Mars Attacks aliens. The gnome-sized aliens are also vicious. Most violent fictional aliens are at least human height, and some are much bigger.
May 30, 2008
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goose writes:
Of course the whole world wants to watch - nothing is more entertaining than idiocy!
May 30, 2008
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Vector049 writes:
Aliens are a dime a dozen in North Denver. I suggest they repair Denver's streets and fill the potholes first.
May 30, 2008
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elkman writes:
The bigger the lie, the more believable it becomes. Show me the proof!
May 30, 2008
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bhaney01 writes:
Watch the video, or at least check out the photos from it. It's nothing that can't be done with a digital camera, a halloween mask and some string...what a joke! Go to khow.com and link to the other "alien" photos. How can anyone believe in this crap?
May 30, 2008
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vudumom writes:
What really ticks me off about this total nonsense is, the money that is being wasted on this idiot. Tax payers are suppose to fund his insanity and of course Denver can't say no when it comes to someones stupidity. This guy is a loser and wants his 15 mins of fame. Once again Colorado is portrayed in a not so good way, but that seems to be par for the course in the past few years. It is not good for tourism except if someway Colorado can get more looneies to come here thinking this is where the invasion will be because after all we will be ready for it, right? Just what Colorado needs, more crazy people.
May 30, 2008
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love_light_peace writes:
It is sad to see these comments. Soon, there will be a day where denial is in the past, and we are a galactic society. Stop thinking little green men, and start thinking Galactic Humans - we are an evolved species which populates almost 40% of the Universe; we on Earth have been controlled and dumbed down for thousands of years. 9/11 happened on the same day that NESARA was supposed to be announced, for the sole reason of stoping the announcment. Wonderful prosperity and abundance of joy are right around the corner! Thank you for helping the rise in conciousness Mr.Peckman.
~We are the ones we've been waiting for~
Google: Glalactic Federation of Light
NESARA.US - a bill which will eliminate all dept and return the constitution to its original ways
May 30, 2008
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Mock McIntyre writes:
it's a sad day when people forget about red lectroids invading by way of the eighth dimension. where's buckaroo bonzai when we need him?
May 30, 2008
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Batman writes:
Where can one find the "evidence". I would like to see what all the press coverage is about.
May 30, 2008
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elkman writes:
Love_light_peace:
I think you have been watching too many "Star War" episodes. There is reality and there is fiction. Wake up.
May 30, 2008
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ColoNative writes:
Love_Light_Peace:
Come back inside now and take your next dose of thorazine. You'll be ok in a few minutes.
OK, everybody. Show's over.
That is, for all of you who don't have to pay the tax bill since you have left Colorado because all of the transplanted Californian fruit and nutcases. YOU are stuck with the bill vis a vis your taxes.
May 30, 2008
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steel writes:
love_lightup_peace... "Galactic Humans". Of course! Now I see the light. How could I have been so foolish? I believe! I believe!
May 30, 2008
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TheFatManRocks writes:
I kind of can't believe these comments!
You don't believe that we are being visited by extra-terrestrials?
Do a little research...
The evidence is actually very overwhelming if you look for it!
Almost every other country has acknowledged this fact already...
Even the Vatican is now saying that it's ok to believe in ET's.
Almost all of our astronauts that went to the moon have come forward!
Do a little digging...It's there!
May 30, 2008
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John_Galt writes:
Weird and dangerous aliens are coming to Denver!
Look for them between August 23-28th at the Pepsi Center.
You'll be able to detect their leader by his terrible B.O.
May 30, 2008
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mcottier writes:
Exactly TheFatManRocks, these people think just because Aliens are always in movies, then they have to be fake. What they don't realize is reports and evidence of Aliens have been around long before movies, comic books and more have written about them. So their logic is backward.
Also, you would think when people saw the first images from the Hubble Space Telescope, and the thousands that have come afterwards, that they would realize how big this universe is and to think we are alone is much more idiotic than believing in Aliens.
May 30, 2008
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sunshinestate writes:
While eyes were gazing upward to the heavens in search of a certain kind of alien the "illegal" alien invasion proved simply classic. The current shift of 'press' emphasis in Colorado away from it's pressing problems of growth,energy development impacts,water supply,ag lands and expanding race problems to the current alien episode once again putting Colorado on the national scene (It is amazing,the amount of bad news the country heard....)sets the stage perfectly for the next step of the invasion: The interior west is to become the energy development/supply worker drone region for the country.The invasion is now so complete that the average 'Rocky' reader would be hard pressed to alter what the rest of the nation is hearing...and thinking....about "colorful" Colorado.
May 30, 2008
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elkman writes:
TheFatManRocks:
Once again, show me the proof. Where are the space ships? Where are the bodies of these so-called aliens? How can every government in every country in the world cover this kind of thing up? You are talking about a world wide government cover-up. Thousands upon thousands of people would have to be involved. Where is there any evidence of any average citizen actually owning a piece of a space ship? Give me a break.
May 30, 2008
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Buckwheat writes:
We're the most advanced species in the universe? Now there's something to be truly afraid of..And I thought I was closed minded....
May 30, 2008
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Baxter writes:
I want to clear up some confusion. First off, I don't think anyone is saying that life doesn't exist "out there." I also want to state that the "evidence" linked from khow's page are reproductions done by my group (Rocky Mountain Paranormal). We have seen the secret footage and reproduced it since the "expert" claimed it would be so hard and cost thousands to do so. It took us one evening and less than $100. That includes the rental of the alien and the cost of the domain name.
The video that is premiering today is super secret because it is designed to hype Stan Romanek's upcoming documentary. We have investigated him for years now and his evidence is fake. I stake my life on it.
May 30, 2008
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me2 writes:
What a bunch of sour pickles. This is fun, remember fun?
May 30, 2008
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freedomfighter1 writes:
This won't be good for the pot initiatives. Now everyone will think were all crazy stoners.
May 30, 2008
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love_light_peace writes:
you've all been fed disinformation quite well. And it's not just Mr.Bush who's done the feeding. Think for a sec; the Universe is billions of years old...our 13000 year history is just a speck of time.....give ONE species an extra 1000 years of extra evolution(also just a speck), and they would be where we would be in 1000 years - technologically advanced and searching the stars - it's not hard to believe if you have an open mind. But to each there own - to all those waiting for ships overhead; soon you'll have to believe
May 30, 2008
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Jack_Ryan writes:
Isn't it amazing that the people of Denver would rather spend $$$ on supposed "alien life forms" from other galaxies and turn a blind eye to the real aliens here illegally from other countries...
May 30, 2008
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TheFatManRocks writes:
Elkman,
It just so happens that there are occurences that happen and you just don't get concrete proof of it.
It doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.
You said that thousands of people couldn't cover something up?
What about the thousands of Politicians (including ex-presidents), Military officials, Pilots, Astronauts etc... that have come forward with what they know. Do you think they are all lying? Their reputations and careers are at stake.
If you already had the kind of concrete proof that you're talking about, we wouldn't even be having this debate!
But, trust me, you'll have it someday...
May 30, 2008
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elkman writes:
I don't believe in the tooth fairy, or the easter bunny. Guess I am a non-believer. Where is your hard evidence, love_light_peace?
My guess is that you are a conspiracy theory type of guy. Always looking for something to believe in.
May 30, 2008
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love_light_peace writes:
try to explain massive two-acre crop circles composed of hundreds of circles that are geometrically precise, and the crops are not broken - but bent at 90 degree angles, and grow faster* NOT OUR TECHNOLOGY
TheFatManRocks - you got the right idea my friend
May 30, 2008
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HolierThanThou writes:
Here's the REAL conspiracy:
Space aliens are already among us. They were sent here to prevent us ornery Earthlings from spreading into their space. Their plan is to retard our advancement as a civilization. It has been a very successful plan so far. The hostile space aliens have prevented humanity from providing everyone with a nutritious diet, adequate education, a clean healthy environment, and medicine to sustain strong bodies and agile brains.
Under their plan to destroy humanity, these hostile space aliens have deployed a number of successful methods. Here are just a few of them:
1. War
This stops humans from uniting on common purposes and tricks them into wasting their resources fighting each other. Evil space aliens then just sit back and laugh at us while we murder each other...saves them from having to do the dirty work.
2. Implantation of Impostors
Hostile space aliens morph into human form and take over positions of control. They exploit hierarchical organizations in human society to get control over people by practicing law and taking executive positions. They don't actually care about the money. They just want to make sure they take as much as possible away from people who might think up fun and interesting ways to spend it. That's why the wealthiest people tend to all buy the same crap like yachts, new golf clubs, fancy cars, and trophy wives. Of course, there are more imaginative ways to use all that cash but they don't want us building too many spaceships and science probes to explore planets like Mars.
3. Global Warming
Hostile space aliens know that carbon dioxide reflects infrared radiation. They like that idea because they think the Earth is too cold. They eat a dry mold that can grow in a desert with a little bit of ammonia, which is why (unless they've morphed into impostors) they smell so bad. All the biodiversity of Earth is a terrible inconvenience to them, so they want to kill us and all the critters we share our planet with. Global warming is the perfect tool for that. So, most of the hostile space aliens posing as humans are tasked with denying global warming, buying gas guzzlers, and burning as much fuel as possible for the flimsiest of excuses.
May 30, 2008
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love_light_peace writes:
CAN EVERYONE PLEASE RESEACH ~WWW.NESARA.US~
let's see some comments on that...if and when it's implemented, ALL of our lives will change for ever
May 30, 2008
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elkman writes:
TheFatManRocks:
You are right, if we had real hard proof, we would not be having this conversation. Answer this. Why are all the governments in the world covering this up? There is no purpose is covering it up. What is to be gained by all the governments in the world?
May 30, 2008
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freedomfighter1 writes:
I am sure there is life beyond our planet. However, it does not seem that we have enough information concerning any other lifeform to be making govermental policies about them or contact with them.
May 30, 2008
9:38 a.m.
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elkman writes:
love_light_peace:
There are thousands of web sites where you can go to and read whatever you want. Just because someone writes about it does not make it true. Once again, show me the hard evidence of a space ship. If you cannot do that, you are just spouting words.
May 30, 2008
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love_light_peace writes:
HolierThanThou - there are hostiles, and you are right on some of those descriptions...but the real deal is that they are the "ANNUNAKI"...who have ruled and controlled our globe for there own benefit for our 13000 year history; Bush is with them - the good guys are the "Galactic Federation of Light"...whom are advanced telepathic humans with 12 strands of DNA - in the years of Atlantis, we were genetically engineered to have only 2 strands so we were easily controlled and could only see what was happening on a limited frequency.
the GFL rescue mission is well under way - NESARA NOW
May 30, 2008
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love_light_peace writes:
Elkman - they cover it up so you dont raise your conciousness about "whats out there"....if they were to admit all there lies about aliens, then you would think to yourself: if they do exsist, what do they do? where are they from? can we contact them?
these questions would cripple the goverments credibility on everything because it proves THEY LIE TO YOU.
If everyone believed in aliens and wanted to communicate with them, they would communicate with us.
May 30, 2008
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steel writes:
love_lightup_peace... I have to ask... Where do you get this crap?
May 30, 2008
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TheFatManRocks writes:
Elkman,
I have read a few reasons for the cover-up and there are a couple that I can tell you off the top of my head...
1. We, as a race, are not ready to know the truth. There are still too many people who have beliefs that are tied to religion. there are too many people that would be extremely shaken up by the news.
Full disclosure won't come in the form of an official announcement one day. It will be slowly introduced to society so that everyone gets used to the idea. It's already started...
2. Our economy would collapse. New free-energy technology and propulsion systems would say bye-bye to our fuel-based economy. Technology has to be intoduced slowly, just like full disclosure.
Look up Edgar Mitchell, Gordon Cooper and Buzz Aldrin.
Each one is an advocate for the truth to come out. They have all said that they know the truth and have seen the kind of evidence that you're looking for. I can't understand why they would lie.
May 30, 2008
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RememberThis writes:
Sure there is life on other planets........all sorts of life, big, small, green, purple, see thru, and muti dimensional as well as pure energy beings. But that matters not, as the distances between us is non negotiable and even if we could "meet" each other, the pathogens exchanged would surely kill us and vice versa.
I seriously have my doubts that Peckhams alien is real for one reason alone, it cant be breathing our air unprotected unless they have such advanced medicine that disease and illnesss is not a factor to them
May 30, 2008
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Alive writes:
Show me concrete proof and I will show you a believer. Till then, don't waste your breath on me. We are given senses to tell us what is real.
May 30, 2008
10:05 a.m.
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RememberThis writes:
I "love" to "light" up my "peace" pipe
Man o' man this one is tardly ! lol
May 30, 2008
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RememberThis writes:
9-11 to Katrina to Rolo to this OMG lol
May 30, 2008
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love_light_peace writes:
Steel - im glad you asked my friend
the information is all over the internet - heres a few sites to check:
Youtube: Galactic Federation of Light, Sirians, Pleaidians, Andromedans, Annunaki, Reptilians, (Rysa5 has tonnes of info)
PAOWEB.com: Sheldan Nidle is a contactee with the Sirians
NESARA.US: National Economic Security and Reformation Act
LUISPRADA.com
Google pictures: Crop Circles
...just to name a few
if you want to believe you will
May 30, 2008
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RememberThis writes:
I wonder if they like Rock n' Roll and fast cars?
May 30, 2008
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elkman writes:
TheFatManRocks:
You have finally put all your jokers on the table. You have lost all credibilty at being taken seriously. "We, as a race, are not ready to know the truth". Are you nuts or just an idiot? Our economy can collapse with or without aliens. One person can keep a secret, two cannot. Thousands and maybe hundreds of thousads of people cannot keep a secret. Get real! The hard drive in your head must have crashed.
and love_light_ peace:
"they cover it up so you dont raise your conciousness about "whats out there"....if they were to admit all there lies about aliens, then you would think to yourself: if they do exsist, what do they do? where are they from? can we contact them?"
And what would be wrong about that? Your reasons are pathetic and hold no reason.
May 30, 2008
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RememberThis writes:
OK now were gettin warmed up
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darkclam writes:
Any man can tell a lie. Any truth can be told through a man. The mind sees and hears all it wants to see and hear. Perception, however does not always mean truth. Since the begining of our known history, humans have resisted change and feared the unknown. If witnesses, pictures, crop circles, and videos are not enough for you to open your mind enough to at least put this issue in serious discussion, then what will be? Does a UFA have to come into your yard ask if you for an egg and some sugar? Maybe if the aliens stand with signs saying they will upgrade your technology for food. The simple fact of the matter is the people have been trying for decades to do what Peckman is proposing.
One more video. One more picture. One more voice is coming out and saying "Things might not be as quiet out there as all the "hush hush" would like us to believe." Anyone who has been keeping up with all the newly released declassifed videos will easily be able to find that our own footage documents "bogies" by audio. And in more then one case, UFO's. One is seen moving out of the way of a projectile from earth. The other is seen in a scew orbit around earth (filmed in space from one of our shuttle missions). In 2001 a group calling themselves "the disclosure project" assembled and began publicly giving testomony of strange events they have all lived. (http://www.disclosureproject.org/) This is not a handful of people looking for five minutes of spotlight... It is over 400 people from the most respected branches of government, and civilian organizations. These are not abducties. These people have seen the truth one of the biggest lies to mankind since we were told the world was flat. And guess what, they are ALL willing to testify to this under oath to the US congress. It is too bad our nation stopped entertaining the truth long ago.
One more video. So what. Have you seen the rest of the of evidence? "All it takes is for ONE, to be true."
May 30, 2008
10:17 a.m.
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RememberThis writes:
Last I heard was that the aliens had erected (floated??)a sign out near Pluto that advises all vistors to "Enter At Your Own Risk"
and "Please dont feed the animals"
:)
May 30, 2008
10:17 a.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Space aliens, Democrats.... is there any difference?
Just look at some of these "beings" calling themselves Democrats. Does anyone with an IQ above 12 really think they are human?
Robert Reich... former Clinton Secretary of Labor. The guy is 4 feet tall. He makes ET look like a candidate for the NBA draft.
Barack Obama... Barack is clearly a name from the planet Uranus. And those ears are obviously satellite dishes. And wouldn't space aliens have problems knowing how many states there are in the USA? Just as Obama thinks there are 57.
Dennis Kucinich... he's even admitted to seeing UFOs. In fact, he appears to be the exact candidate for some space alien probes.
Al Franken.... when he's not finding creative ways to dodge paying taxes, he clearly is communicating with aliens on other planets. He even looks a bit like ET with those non-human eyes, out of this world lisp, and the troll like stature.
Michael Moore.... does anyone believe that a 500 pound orb like that isn't a space alien? His body looks like a bad costume from the movie "Men in Black"
Jimmy Carter.... he admitted to seeing a UFO too. Right around the time he was attacked by a rabbit. Rabbits never attack humans. And with the video proof of Carter being attacked by a rabbit, it proves he is non-human.... a space alien with giant teeth and out of this world thoughts.....
May 30, 2008
10:20 a.m.
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RememberThis writes:
LOLz rick
May 30, 2008
10:21 a.m.
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elkman writes:
love_light_peace:
Crop circles have been known to be hoaxes for many years. I have seen documentaries about how it is done. It is done all the time and very intricate in design. Open your mind and look at the real question. Where is the hard evidence. You keep evading the question. Where is the spaceship and aliens. And quit giving everybody the same old song and dance. All governments in the world cannot be covering up the same thing. You need help.
May 30, 2008
10:22 a.m.
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TheFatManRocks writes:
Sorry, Elkman...
You just lost your credibility by getting beligerant and personal.
I feel sorry for you.
You really need to get your head out of the sand and open your mind up a little.
You still haven't explained why so many people have come forward. do you think they're lying?
The goverment can't keep secrets?
Please!
You must be the most naive person on the planet!
May 30, 2008
10:22 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
elkman - you missed the point...what's wrong with that? - it would show they lie to you and are fake - which would also bring up the point: what else are they hiding from us? it's all connected
May 30, 2008
10:23 a.m.
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RememberThis writes:
You would think they would be tired of cleaning out all the creamed corn and wheat gluten from the landing pods.
May 30, 2008
10:25 a.m.
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SirRealist writes:
Where is the video?
May 30, 2008
10:33 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
elkman - sure i hear ya about the fake crop circles - they exist for sure.......but they are done by stepping on the crops to lay them flat - this kills the crops by breaking the stem.
ACTUAL crop circles do not harm the crop - every one are bent at a 90degree angle, approx. 2 in. from the bottom, and the crops stay living and actually grow faster - do the reseach
ps. this isn't personal bud, your opinion is your own and that's all good...fun debate tho
May 30, 2008
10:33 a.m.
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aRe writes:
Hey ricky, I'd take enlightented space alien Democrates running this country than the knuckle dragging, brain stem, inbred, cavemen, hillbilly Republicans.
May 30, 2008
10:35 a.m.
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elkman writes:
TheFatManRocks:
Calling someone an idiot is not personal. It is a fact. Just like saying someone is smart. I have looked at the facts for years and years and years. Most intelligent people need facts as proof for belief in something. Again, people see what they want, and write what they want, and say what they want. That does not make it true. If that were true, I am the smartest person on earth. Believe in that? Of course not. Not even my dog believes that. Once again to fat man and love light. SHOW ME AN ALIEN OR A SPACE SHIP. Otherwise, start reading facts on the other side of your illusions.
May 30, 2008
10:36 a.m.
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GameGrrl writes:
alright, it's Friday. WHERE IS THE VIDEO?!?!
May 30, 2008
10:38 a.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
"Hey ricky, I'd take enlightened space alien Democrates (huh?) running this country than the knuckle dragging, brain stem (again, huh?), inbred, cavemen, hillbilly Republicans."
Ahhh, you forgot to include that the alien democrats enjoyed raising taxes and making sure big brother is in charge! Will this include the Mother Ship showing up? We have to find the cloned idiot they are making all these demo's from...
May 30, 2008
10:47 a.m.
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Miss_Kitty_Kat_Girl writes:
So it's Denver this time and not Boulder. You'd expect this kinda stuff in Boulder.
May 30, 2008
10:49 a.m.
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TheFatManRocks writes:
Elkman,
You're not only naive, now you're hypocritical too.
You called me an idiot without knowing one bit about me.
You obviously don't know facts about my intelligence, yet you are able to make a snap judgement on me based on my beliefs. You're ready to label me an idiot without any proof!
Sound familiar?
Let me give you a little lesson in life...
Just because someone has different beliefs than you, doesn't make him/her an idiot.
May 30, 2008
10:49 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"if you want to believe you will"
exactly. keep on that tin foil hat, bud.
hey, you know that DIA is a secret NWO headquarters and prison for millions??
do yah???
fringe lunatic conspiracy theorists are the bestest.
May 30, 2008
10:53 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
and has anyone else noticed that the two 'believers' on here BOTH have grateful dead references in their screen names???
coincidence? i think not.
May 30, 2008
10:54 a.m.
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Orson writes:
So, no Mork from Ork gags yet?
May 30, 2008
10:55 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
(and clearly i know my grateful dead, so there's nothing wrong with that... just the inherent humor of thinking of them both as LSD-addled old hippies makes this discussion on a legitimate news site that much more hysterical. even they would have to admit that)
May 30, 2008
10:57 a.m.
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ToeNee writes:
I made my tinfoil hat, popcorn, and Kool-Aid. . .Now where's the picture show?
May 30, 2008
11:04 a.m.
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darkclam writes:
You can poke and make fun all you want. Have you researched this topic at all? Can you honestly tell me you think nothing is going on here? Where is the evidence to back up your claim? I posted a website earlier with a video document of 20 people giving first hand accounts of what they have seen. WIth 400 more ready to back them up in front of the United States Congress... Not just Joe or Bob on the street... Doctors, military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientists... Are you calling them all liers? And FYI, I can't stand The Greatful Dead.
May 30, 2008
11:05 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
love light...
this is the stuff you want people to really consider seriously???
" Member Name: Andromedan Star Nations.
Accepted into the Galactic Federation: Approximately 3.5 million years ago.
Location: The Constellation of Andromeda.
Distance From Earth: Approximately 150 to over 4,000 Light Years.
Life Form Type: Humanoid.
Physical Appearance: Humanoids similar in appearance to Earth humans. They usually wear the traditional multicolored Galactic Federation jump suits. Andromedans consist of two basic Earth human types:
The first is a Caucasian that ranges from a so-called “Nordic” type (blonde hair, blue eyes, pale skin), to a “Mediterranean” type (light to dark brown hair, gray to brown eyes, tanned-looking skin).
The second is a typical Oriental, with dark hair, dark Asian eyes and a skin color that varies from very pale brown to a dark shade of brown.
The eyes of all Andromedans are slightly larger than those of Earth humans. The lips are thin and colored almost a light pink, while the ears are fitted slightly lower on the side of the head and are slightly smaller in size. The hands and the feet are delicate in appearance with long fingers and toes.
The men vary in height from 5 feet, 7 inches to almost 7 feet (1.7 to 2.12 meters). The women range from 5 feet, 4 inches to almost 6 feet, 4 inches (1.63 to 1.93 meters) high. Andromedan women are noted for their alluring energies and their quite buxom figures.
Special Traits and Abilities: Andromedans are noted in the Galactic Federation for their mastery of all forms of scientific endeavor.
Average Amount of Sleep Needed: About 2 hours per day.
Language: Andromedans speak a language whose dialects vary from a Spanish- or Italian-like sound, to one that is more tonal and gutteral in its intonation.
Mother Ship and Other Craft: Andromedan ships range in shape from their traditional sombrero- shaped scout ships that measure some 50 to 65 feet (15 to 20 meters) across, to lens-shaped small atmospheric command ships that are up to a half mile (805 meters) in length.
"
good luck.
May 30, 2008
11:08 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
and fwiw, i don't think we are alone in this universe...
but that doesn't mean i dont think this guy, and the majority of alien nuts, aren't just that: nuts.
that, and the amount of FAKE and faked 'evidence' far outweighs any "real" (in quotes) evidence out there... so you can't blame people for being skeptical of 'believers' when SO many of them have faked and lied about their 'proof' in the past.
it kinda gave you all a black eye, and the public has every reason to be skeptical of any 'evidence' provided now.
May 30, 2008
11:09 a.m.
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GameGrrl writes:
so, when will the general public get to see this video? Since the reports are only able to take still photos? Why can't we see it live with them? Video should be going on now ..
May 30, 2008
11:09 a.m.
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NeilT writes:
“tinfoil hat, popcorn, and Kool-Aid”
Sounds like you’re ready for church.
God…aliens…what’s the difference?
Everyone wants “proof” of aliens, yet just as much “proof” exists for “god”.
One story is more plausible than the other, however.
May 30, 2008
11:10 a.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
Sad ironies in this whole discussion:
People believe in a huge sky bully who gives them instructions to go out and murder or oppress others who believe in a different version of the same sky bully. No proof of this sky bully exists. But they dismiss the possibility that there may be other intelligent life in the known universe composed of billions of galaxies each containing hundreds of billions of star systems on average.
I don't believe in visitations because I haven't seen proof, not because it isn't possible. And I enjoy a good prank and have debunked plenty of hoaxes in my time.
The other sad irony is that, although I'm joking about the big conspiracy of hostile space aliens meddling in human affairs. Not a single one of the writers on this boards can even begin to formulate a hypothesis to refute the assertions in my jest.
So, it could have more truth to it than even I would like to admit.
May 30, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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ToeNee writes:
Doctors, military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientists... Are you calling them all liers?
Yes I am.
May 30, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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darkclam writes:
Be skeptical, but do not be blind.
May 30, 2008
11:15 a.m.
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Cobra_Commander writes:
love_light_peace: Heaven's Gate sure proved to us all that they are comming. Get your Nike's ready, and drink your Kool Aid. Be ready buddy cause here they come.
May 30, 2008
11:17 a.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
Oy Rocky!
I don't like your favorite space alien probe!
You're missing a bunch of good ones. My personal favorite is Diana Troi of Star Trek. She's hot and has a very understanding nature. Her mom is a hoot, too.
May 30, 2008
11:20 a.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Ah yes... the insights of "experts".....
"Joanne Almeida, of Englewood, is at the film screening because, "I've seen things in my life."
Now there are some real qualifications.
"Almeida said she thinks a lot of this is tied in with oil."
Yeah.... and don't forget the tie in with Bigfoot, the JFK plot, Algore's theories about global schwarming, and the Himalayan pygmies that run the Federal Reserve.
One thing is for certain.... guaranteed..... she is an Obama supporter.
May 30, 2008
11:22 a.m.
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ToeNee writes:
So what was the size of the carbon footprint for covering all this nonsense? Who's paying the carbon offsets?
May 30, 2008
11:23 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"One thing is for certain.... guaranteed..... she is an Obama supporter."
my guess would have been ron paul...
May 30, 2008
11:23 a.m.
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m2campne writes:
Is this the video? Or at least part of the video? He said it was about a minute, but this sure seems like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbhiMI...
May 30, 2008
11:30 a.m.
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elkman writes:
Elkman,
The FatManRocks
I know a lot about you from what you post. If you really think all you have written is true, so be it. By other reactions to your posts, you are having a hard time selling it. As for being a hypocrit, hoestly, do you know what the word means? Intelligence is bread from facts, not fiction. Show me the hard data. Thats all I ask. Where is a spaceship or an alien. Anyone?
May 30, 2008
11:32 a.m.
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darkclam writes:
This new video being shown today is supposed to be in infrared.
May 30, 2008
11:33 a.m.
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ColoradoDave writes:
So I wonder how Bill Scanlon feels now that his credibility and the credibility of the RMN are finally destroyed.
It isn't like the RMN had much credibility left but feeding into the fantasies of the delusional is the final nail in that coffin.
May 30, 2008
11:35 a.m.
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NeilT writes:
"Intelligence is bread from facts, not fiction. Show me the hard data. Thats all I ask. Where is a spaceship or an alien. Anyone?"
I agree.
Now apply this stance to god, jesus, et. al...
May 30, 2008
11:41 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
for those of you who "need to see to believe"
- you'll just have to wait with your close mindedness until it happens
WHO'S LOOKED AT WWW.NESARA.US????
LET'S SEE SOME COMMENTS ON THAT!
May 30, 2008
11:41 a.m.
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ToeNee writes:
NeilT: Why do you hate God so much?
May 30, 2008
11:41 a.m.
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daytripper writes:
here's one for the alien sceptics.
The Mars probe, on the planet this very day, digs up some deep soil samples and inside there are dormant microbes. the mere action of exposing these microbes to the martian atmosphere triggers them into life activity. after sometime the microbes are in abundance over large parts of the planets surface. This could lead to millenia of observation, as we watch a planet move through the first stages of evolution.
Now, was life created by a God or by an Alien in a rocketship?
You decide.
May 30, 2008
11:43 a.m.
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ColoradoDave writes:
Interstellar Peeping Toms? Why would any being who can travel across vast interstellar distances get to Earth and do nothing more than look into a Nebraska farm house window?
These vastly intelligent aliens always seem to get to Earth and hangout in trailer parks and rural backwaters. They always seem to contact sad people whose lives just haven't worked out the way they had hoped. Hmmm....Think there is any correlation?
When a Space Ship lands in the Great Lawn in Central Park in New York City then I will believe.
May 30, 2008
11:45 a.m.
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VoiceOfTheRockies writes:
When you are a child you may be told to believe in Santa/Easter Bunny/Tooth Fairy - you may also be told to believe in Jesus/God/Angels - you may also be told to believe in Spirits/Ghosts - you may also be told to believe in Aliens/Martians.
Later on in life if you are wise you find out there are motives behind all of them:
"I've got my own moral compass to steer by
A guiding star beats a spirit in the sky
And all the preaching voices -
Empty vessels of dreams so loud
As they move among the crowd
Fools and thieves are well disguised
In the temple and market place"
"Like a stone in the river
Against the floods of spring
I will quietly resist"
"Like the willows in the wind
Or the cliffs along the ocean
I will quietly resist"
"I don't have faith in faith
I don't believe in belief
You can call me faithless
I still cling to hope
And I believe in love
And that's faith enough for me"
"I've got my own spirit level for balance
To tell if my choice is leaning up or down
And all the shouting voices
Try to throw me off my course
Some by sermon, some by force
Fools and thieves are dangerous
In the temple and market place"
"Like a forest bows to winter
Beneath the deep white silence
I will quietly resist"
"Like a flower in the desert
That only blooms at night
I will quietly resist"
- Rush
May 30, 2008
11:45 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
WWW.NESARA.US
May 30, 2008
11:47 a.m.
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filmmunition writes:
Is this supposed to be the "blog" page? I've seen websites on Roman history updated more frequently...
Anyway, no matter how this press conference turns out, people have to make up their own minds. Nobody can convince anybody else one way or the other, it's just something you have to experience yourself in order to understand.
The "Smug Skeptics" are simply fearful of the changes they'd have to make to their world view, and those who "believe" without any first-hand experience are missing something in their lives. We all just need to calm down a bit - the universe is more fantastic than we can possibly imagine, but everyday life makes us forget this - beware the ossification of your soul!
May 30, 2008
11:47 a.m.
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love_light_peace writes:
for those of you who "need to see to believe"
- you'll just have to wait with your close mindedness until it happens
WHO'S LOOKED AT WWW.NESARA.US????
May 30, 2008
11:50 a.m.
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fiesty writes:
I do think this guy is a crackpot; however, I do not agree with all the skeptics posting. I can sympathize as I used to be very skeptical; while I agreed that other life probably existed, the odds of it coming here were greatly small (distance, coexistence during same time frame, etc).
However, there ARE events we cannot explain, witnessed by credible people and of which the military is not the answer. For example:
1. Astronauts Buzz Aldrin (who went on Larry King Live) and Gordon Cooper have openly talked about some of the unexplained flying objects they saw on the moon.
2. The Phoenix Lights were witnessed by thousands of people, lasted several hours and was captured by multiple news agencies, and was seen by Governor Symington and Councilwoman Barwood.
3. At Chicago O'Hare airport, a hovering object was witnessed during the day by passengers, mechanics, pilots, and air traffic controllers. These personnel definitely know what is an airplane, and what isn't! Many took cell phone pictures of it.
Therefore it is evident *something* is going on. The explanation, however, is not as easily discerned. Is it in fact extraterrestrials, or as mentioned in the article, visitors from the future, or possibly relics from the past? Either way, just because we can't explain it, does not mean we should dismiss it...
May 30, 2008
11:51 a.m.
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thebrokenforum writes:
Peckman reminds me of Marshall Applewhite from the Heaven's Gate cult...
http://thebrokenforum.wordpress.com/2...
May 30, 2008
11:52 a.m.
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ToeNee writes:
ColoradoDave: These vastly intelligent aliens always seem to get to Earth and hangout in trailer parks.
This proves these aliens are males. No really, Trailer Parks are loaded with lonely, sex starved single moms. What can I say, that's the only reason why I hang out in trailer parks.
May 30, 2008
11:54 a.m.
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fiesty writes:
elkman- au contraire, several governments have come forward and admitted UFOs exist. France even recently opened up all their files on UFO investigations.
May 30, 2008
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