BLOG: Obama vows to fix 'broken promises' in No Child Left Behind
By Bill Scanlon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published May 28, 2008 at 9:17 a.m.
Updated May 28, 2008 at 7:26 p.m.
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Barack Obama shakes hands with students of MESA School in Thornton, Wednesday afternoon. Obama delivered a speech on education and also toured the school.
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Tom and Candace Adduci
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Cassandra Villareal
Bob Kihm and Barack Obama pose with his autographed T-shirt on which Obama once wrote, "Get out of my car!"
Ed and Pat Kaufman of Thornton
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Camilla Lewis of Denver
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Ralph Thurman of Denver
Presidential hopeful Barack Obama shared his vision for education today at a school north of Denver that is emblematic of change. The Rocky blogged live from Thornton.
3:30 p.m. Democrat Barack Obama today vowed to fix the "broken promises" of the No Child Left Behind law if elected president.
Campaigning in the metro area one day after Republican John McCain, Obama said he supports standards and testing but said U.S. schools haven't been given the resources they need.
"I'll start by fixing the broken promises of No Child Left Behind," he said at the Mapleton Expeditionary School of the Arts in Thornton.
Obama said the U.S. education system is falling behind other nations', especially in math and science.
Obama has 1,979 delegates — 47 shy of the 2,026 necessary to clinch the nomination. Rival Hillary Rodham Clinton has 1,779 delegates.
--Associated Press
The following live dispatches were filed by the Rocky's Bill Scanlon during Obama's appearance in Thornton today.
2:45 p.m. Evie Hudak, a member of the Colorado State Board of Education, said she’d been waiting all her life to hear a speech by a presidential candidate that zeroed in on what is most important about education.
“It was inspiring,” said Hudak, who is running for state Senate. “At times it brought tears to my eyes.
“To hear a presidential candidate talk about the importance of teachers, and their needing to be paid like the professionals they are ...I’ve been waiting to hear a speech like that.”
Hudak said she also liked Obama’s emphasis on the importance of parents in education. “That message needs to get out. Obama would make a big difference. He gets it -- on the most important things, he gets it.”
2:30 p.m. Anna Lord, a member of the Manitou Springs board of education and a candidate for the state House, said she liked Obama’s message that “our economy depends on the quality of our work force. There are no short-term solutions.
“If we have an educated work force, we’ll be OK, if we don’t we won’t be," she said, paraphrasing Obama.
“It really comes down to how we educate our next generation.”
12:55 p.m. Outside in the blazing sun, veterinarian Tom Adduci and his wife, Candace, said they like Obama's emphasis on education.
"It was invigorating," Tom said. "I liked that he talked about revamping No Child Left Behind.
"Rather than just saying no child should be left behind, he talked about a plan and put monetary rewards on it.
"I like his support for teachers and for a college education, in exchange for service like the Peace Corps or the military."
Candace said he had not before heard Obama get specific on the issues and came away impressed, especially with his detailed plans for education.
12:50 p.m. Obama seemed to win over just about all the audience, from students to seniors.
"I liked how he said he'd try to make community colleges free," said Cassandra Villareal, 17, a junior at Skyview Academy, which shares a campus with MESA. "He's a real people-to-people person, talking about how parents should read with their kids and help them do well in school."
Cassandra wants to go into interior design or respiratory therapy, so has her eyes on community college. Obama talked about a $4,000 tax credit for community college students.
12:36 p.m. The last questioner, a student, engages with Obama in a conversation about small schools. "Small schools can be very successful," Obama says. "If you feel like you're just a number, you're just lost." He said smaller schools is just one strategy that should be pursued. "I'm really proud of you," he tells the school. "See you back in August," he says in reference to the Democratic National Convention in Denver. Obama's appearance has concluded and he is shaking hands on the way out. We'll bring you more reaction shortly.
12:33 p.m. "How do we scale up, how do we take the lessons of a great school like MESA, so we can have a hundred schools like MESA?" Obama asked. We need to produce more and more great educators, he said. "That's the most important challenge we face in the next few years," he said.
12:27 p.m. "All the reforms I'm talking about will not happen if we don't have the American people enlisted in change," Obama says. He wants all legislation posted on the Internet before actions are taken; he wants town meetings for Americans; he wants summits broadcast live. American government needs more transparency, he says.
12:25 p.m. "Unless we can solve our energy problems ... our economy is always going to be hamstrung," Obama says. "We have to reduce our dependence on foreign oil."
12:23 p.m. An audience member says he met Obama in the Bronx. Obama deadpanned sarcastically, "I couldn't tell you were from the Bronx," in reference to the man's accent. The questioner drew more applause by saying Obama has support from the Bronx to the Rocky Mountains.
12:18 p.m. "When it comes to second-language learners, the most important thing is not to get bogged down in ideology, but figure out what works," Obama says. "Everybody should be bilingual, or everybody should be trilingual." The comments drew loud applause.
12:16 p.m. "We've got to have creative students and teachers to innovate. It's harder to be creative," Obama says, but change is necessary for improvements in education.
12:13 p.m. Obama has completed his speech and is opening up a Q&A for 20-30 minutes.
12:06 p.m. We need to simplify the paperwork for applying for financial aid, Obama said.
12:01 p.m. The most important thing for any child's education is the teacher, Obama says. We must recruit a new generation of teachers and principals to replace those who are retiring, he says. Obama said he would launch a new recruitment program to help facilitate the transition. "To prepare our teachers, I will create more teacher residency programs," he said.
11:58 a.m. Children should be able to master standardized tests, to help accurately assess the quality of teaching in the classroom, Obama said. These ideas are just one part of "fixing" No Child Left Behind. "We will require teachers in Washington who are willing to learn lessons from Thornton" and elsewhere, he said.
11:56 a.m. "This shows what can happen when politicians are not wedded to old ideas that don't work," Obama says of the school.
11:51 a.m. Obama speaks highly of the school, praising the fact that all 44 members of its senior class will go to college. He says "this is a defining moment in our history," and education reform must play a leading role. In today's economy, you must have a degree, Obama says.
11:47 a.m. Barack Obama has just taken the stage and is greeting students, after an introduction from former Colorado Gov. Roy Romer.
11:25 a.m. Barack Obama will be speaking shortly after a brief tour of the school. (Watch the speech live using the link at left.)
11:10 a.m. Bob Kihm is 53, his daughter Sarah is 20, and they're both national delegates for Obama. Sarah is campus coordinator for Obama at CU-Boulder.
"We worked our Democratic a---- off for Obama," Bob said, standing next to his daughter and greeting people in the auditorium.
"He'll be a significant change in the way we're going to do politics in this country," said Bob, of Centennial.
"We've never had a worse status in the world than we do now," Bob said. "George Bush thinks that's not important. I think we're finding out that it is."
Bob was wearing a T-shirt that featured him and Obama, with the caption "Get out of my car!"
Bob explains.
The first time Bob met Obama and asked for an autograph, the candidate was kind enough to invite him into his car so he could offer up the signature.
When Bob met Obama again several months later he asked the candidate if he could this time write: "Get out of my car."
Someone snapped a picture, and the rest is history.
11:06 a.m. Inside the school, in the spacious auditorium, Ed and Pat Kaufman, of Thornton, have choice, second-row seats -- thanks to her being in recovery from a recent knee operation.
They simply called the number in the newspaper and got the seats, said Ed, 65.
Ed is voting for Obama "because he has common sense and his message is real. He is not a cowboy."
He would like to see Obama mend fences with the rest of the world.
"You can't accomplish anything with a monologue," Ed said. "You need a dialogue."
Pat, 66, likes Obama because she says Hillary Clinton's prescription for universal health care will be too expensive right now.
"We have to move slowly and steadily toward health care for everyone."
The married couple said they're finally at an age where health care is excellent in America but that they worry about generations that are younger than they are.
10 a.m. Squeezed between orange-vested traffic cops and an anti-abortion trailer, two Hillary Clinton supporters remind Democrats that the race isn't over.
Camilla Lewis, of Denver, is wearing a sandwich board, featuring a picture of her with former President Bill Clinton.
"A vote for Obama is a vote for McCain," Lewis said. "It's as simple as that.
"He can't win the swing states -- Colorado, West Virginia, Ohio or Indiana. Hillary is the only one who can beat McCain," said Lewis, who was a local and state delegate for Hillary.
Ralph Thurman, an African-American from Denver, says he's met Obama and likes him, but "Hillary would be better for the country.
"This country is not ready for Obama yet," Thurman said, waving a Hillary sign on York Street about 90 minutes before Obama is scheduled to speak on education.
"There are factions in this country who are not ready for a minority president."
9:17 a.m.Presidential hopeful Barack Obama is expected to give his vision for education today at a school north of Denver that is emblematic of change.
Obama, in the lead for the Democratic nomination, will speak at 11:30 this morning at the Mapleton Expeditionary School of the Arts, one of 17 small schools that the students in the 5,800-population Mapleton district can attend.
His talk is not open to the public, but it will be carried live at RockyMountainNews.com (click on link at left).
In 2001, Mapleton Schools started looking for a more personal type of education that could reach students and give them a better chance to prepare for college. Prior to the change, all high-school-age students attended venerable Skyview High School.
The new schools have names such as Mapleton Prep, Global Leadership Academy, Front Range Early College and Welby New Technology.
The idea is for students to sit down with their parents and decide which learning option -- emphasizing arts, leadership, trades, etc. -- is the best match for them.
Two and a half years ago, Bill and Melinda Gates endorsed Mapleton's radical plan to change the way education is delivered, in the form of a $2.6 million check from their foundation.
This year, all 44 high school graduates at MESA were accepted into one college or another.
The good news was tempered a bit last November when district voters said "no" to a $70 million bond issue request to upgrade schools and make them safer.
Last year in Des Moines, Obama said, "I don't want to send another generation of American children to failing schools. I don't want that future for my daughters. I don't want that future for your sons. I do not want that future for America."
The planks on Obama's education platform include:
— Reform the federal program, "No Child Left Behind." According to his official Web site, Obama wants to boost funding for the law and says teachers "shouldn't be forced to spend the academic year preparing students to fill in bubbles on standardized tests." And he would change the way schools are accountable to the law, "so that we are supporting schools that need improvement, rather than punishing them."
— Recruit teachers. Obama would create Teacher Service Scholarships covering four years of undergraduate or two years of graduate teacher education, including alternative programs for mid-career recruits in exchange for teaching for at least four years in a high-need field or location.
— Make math and science education a national priority.
— Address the dropout crisis by directing more monies to middle schools to address the problem in the early stages.
— Double federal funding for after-school programs to serve 1 million more kids.
— Support English language learners. Obama says transitional bilingual education will help English learners get ahead.
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May 28, 2008
9:49 a.m.
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Dinty writes:
I have never understood why Liberals believe local education systems are a responsibility of the Federal Government. When did that become an accepted premise?
May 28, 2008
10:03 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
Obama couldn't let President Bush take the spotlight from him, since you know the world revolves around him....
May 28, 2008
10:12 a.m.
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farsidefan writes:
Sasq, you are a bit late. His group corrected that to Buchenwald. But you are correct that he did say that.
Let's see..didn't Georgie implement that great educational piece of legislation..No Child Left Untested er..Behind ?
I agree that education is a local responsibility best handled by local boards of education.
If that were the case, I doubt if Colorado would have more than 3-4 charter schools. The state puts a lot of pressure on a district to implement charters.
May 28, 2008
10:17 a.m.
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snowsurfer writes:
Dinty: "I have never understood why Liberals believe local education systems are a responsibility of the Federal Government. When did that become an accepted premise?"
Ever hear of no child left behind? That was Bush, and he is not liberal at all.
May 28, 2008
10:19 a.m.
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ochis writes:
Sasquatch,
I'm sure glad Bush (take your pick as to which one) never made stupid remarks!! At least Obama corrected his mistake.
May 28, 2008
10:54 a.m.
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Aveasy writes:
At least Barack Obama's mistake didn't get 4,000 of our troops and over 300,000 innocent Iraq's killed over oil.
May 28, 2008
10:58 a.m.
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zippy66 writes:
I wonder if Barack H. Obama supports the DPS teacher sick-out? Does he favor unions over students?
May 28, 2008
11:18 a.m.
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jim34335 writes:
Someone needs to tell these Hillary supporters we already voted for Obama.
May 28, 2008
11:24 a.m.
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60s4ever writes:
There are some republicans that can actually think for themselves and work towards the common good of the country.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/...
May 28, 2008
11:43 a.m.
HOOK writes:
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May 28, 2008
11:45 a.m.
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Barron writes:
Primate, I mean sasquatch, Obama talks about his mother's side of the family (white) because he was raised by them. If you pick up a paper or ever read or watch anything other than fox news you would know this, it's not rocket science. There's no conspiracy there, sheesh...
May 28, 2008
11:59 a.m.
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HOOK writes:
Wow, in the big leagues since 2005 and missed 241 votes (41.8%), now that’s experience. But then again, who has time to vote and does their day job when half of your few years in the big leagues you’ve been running for President?
May 28, 2008
12:02 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
SASQUATCH
Is that because you look like one? I hear your mom calling, get off the computer.
May 28, 2008
12:07 p.m.
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60s4ever writes:
"Bong Water?" "Plausibility?" "Flaming Lib?" "Wonderfully Open Minded?".
That's right, attack and discredit, the neocon way. I didn't say anything about Joe Lieberman. Someone has to help McCain with his facts. By the way, Susan's father voted for Kerry in 2004.
The politics of fear and intimidation will no longer work. The only fear is the fear of having another neocon in the WhiteHouse.
May 28, 2008
12:16 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
Where does "O" stand?
Open Boarders - Who knows? But I’m sure I can make a guess!
Plan for withdraw from Iraq - None, just immediate and disorganized
Driver's License for Illegal Immigrants - "yes"
Tax Raise to 39%+ - Yes
Wow, these are only for and I already have a bad taste in my mouth.
Let’s see,
Change, change, change,.............well, how, how how..........haven’t heard yet.
May 28, 2008
12:22 p.m.
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60s4ever writes:
You're funny. I guess you're going to stay on the neocon sinking ship because it is going down.
May 28, 2008
12:23 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
Must be a really easy and low stress job to be a left wing candidate. Just throw a bunch of catch words like "hope" and "change" out there, and all of your brainwashed followers will clamp onto them! No need to provide any substance when everyone is so eager and naive to worship at your feet, never asking a question, blind believers.
Oh but hey, you know he’s a nice looking guy, and he gives speeches well, so what if he says the same thing over, and over, and over...........Still waiting for the plan, I won’t hold my breath, I might kill too many brain cells and become a brainwashed blind follower.
May 28, 2008
12:30 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
Now he’s telling us we should all be bilingual, you got to be kidding me right, ok all you followers, run out and sign up for second language class. If you don’t, you’re a naughty non believer, get on it! Pick em up and put em down, move it out, quickly, hurry up!
May 28, 2008
12:35 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
If he is saying we all need to be bilingual, I wonder what other language he wants me to speak, would Norwegian be OK? (Yeah right, I doubt it!)
May 28, 2008
12:37 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
"Hope" and "change" is a lot better than words like "same".
May 28, 2008
12:40 p.m.
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60s4ever writes:
A liberal would evaluate the new information and then make an intelligent decision instead of being so stubborn. Kind of like what Chalmers Johnson did.
FYI - The name is about appreciation for the music of that decade.
May 28, 2008
12:40 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Gene
Your late for a KKK meeting!!
May 28, 2008
12:42 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
"O" must speak Russian too, being that he has that uncle who helped liberate Auschwitz and all. Oh, ooooooooops, that was a lie!
May 28, 2008
12:42 p.m.
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denver_80247 writes:
Obama does not speak to his family in africa, his family is White.
May 28, 2008
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HolierThanThou writes:
One thing Barack Obama has that Bush and his followers lack: sanity.
May 28, 2008
12:43 p.m.
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NotYours writes:
You want CHANGE in education?
Tell us, Barack Hussein Obama -- If teachers are the most important part of a kid's education, WHY ARE THEY UNIONIZED? When did unions ever boost QUALITY of OUTPUT? They don't! They protect labor rights, not product quality.
The largest labor union in America is the NEA. Their claim is to "build great public schools for every child". Nice --- but what about the ACTUAL EDUCATION of the child? They love raising our taxes for big expensive new schools, yet the kids are continually undereducated.
The second largest labor union in America is the American Federation of Teachers (AFT). Anyone seeing a trend yet?
The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. The NEA and AFT's iron-fist grip on this nation's educational system must be replaced by a standardized meritocracy like it was prior to 1960.
And a flying "FU" to the unionized DPS teachers who's "sick-out" today deprived kids of yet another day of "education".
May 28, 2008
12:47 p.m.
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Buckwheat writes:
He said that? Bilingual? Must be the mountain air. That will win alot of votes with the American public...
May 28, 2008
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60s4ever writes:
HolierThanThou,
They keep proving your point.
May 28, 2008
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happymike44 writes:
This guy is the true meaning ofa idiot.He could not find the light switch in broad daylight.So now he wants to just hand over our country and make us all the hand maidens to the drug cartel.What a idiot Hillary or Mccain are our only protection from the morons of the world giving everything to mexico and the other third world toilets.If he is so keen on becoming bilingual move to mexico.This is America and it still belongs to the people.God I sure do hope so I am a democrat who is seriously thinking of voting for Hillary she is our only hope to end the strangle hold big oil has on America.God watch out for us all in the future because these idiots scare me.At least when Bill lied no one died.Remember vote for her and we get the two of them looking out for us.
May 28, 2008
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60s4ever writes:
Happymike44 smells like a repub to me.
May 28, 2008
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HOOK writes:
Well, at least the we should all be bilingual statement clarifies one thing, he was paying attention all those times Rev. Wright said GD America.
May 28, 2008
12:57 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
Wow, all these programs and no talk of how they're going to be funded. Where's the money coming from? Us taxpayers.
Great, between this and the talk of taxing oil companies for over $80 a barrel, which ends up being passed onto us, the consumers, it appears Obama is another tax and spend Democrat. The same is the same and it can't be called a "change" in Washington if there really is no change. Why is it Democrats feel they need to take taxpayer money to invent or re-invent social programs that only help select groups?
May 28, 2008
12:58 p.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
McCain is promising a third term for Bush. So, here are a few questions to ask yourselves:
1. When is he planning to finish the wars against the goat herders in Iraq and Afghanistan?
2. When is he planning to balance the federal budget?
3. When are the illegal spying operations against American citizens going to be stopped and prosecuted?
4. How is the government going to recover the more than 20 billion dollars of reconstruction money that audits have shown to be embezzled and stolen by "contractors" in Iraq?
5. Pick one that makes better use of tax dollars:
A. Education and job creation
B. Prisons
6. Which one would you tax:
A. Working people who are barely able to eat and pay rent
B. Billionaires
I'm not trying to get anyone upset. These are just a few things to think about.
May 28, 2008
1:02 p.m.
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elkman writes:
Bilingual? This is America. Just one more reason not to even consider OB as someone to lead this country. Step on enough toes and see how many votes he gets. Where does he come up with this crap?
May 28, 2008
1:04 p.m.
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PJM writes:
Can anyone tell me how to say "Massive tax increases" in any other languages? I wanna get prepared in case this guy actually wins.
May 28, 2008
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HOOK writes:
HolierThanThou, I don’t think your upsetting anyone, not me at least, but I would ask the same things of Obama. Sure he may have his little BS catchy phrase answers, but no substance. Well, ok, there is substance but it stinks really badly when you don’t flush it.
May 28, 2008
1:05 p.m.
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60s4ever writes:
The neocon ship won't sink because it's going up in flames.
May 28, 2008
1:05 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
Holier....... you make it sound simple with those "goat herders", don't you? Let me ask you something, when you got in fights as a kid (that's if you did), did you use a timer and tell the other kid that as soon as the buzzer went off, and it was for as soon as possible, the fight was over?
That's something you can think about.
May 28, 2008
1:11 p.m.
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60s4ever writes:
And we can't talk about his supporters like John and Susan Eisenhower.
I can't belive that you called Bush a monkey.
May 28, 2008
1:16 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
wow.
it's sad how many of you view being smart enough to be bilingual as something so evil. heaven forbid you are intelligent and can communicate in more than one language in this world.
how is it a bad thing, really? and why wouldn't it be a good thing if everyone was bilingual?
oh, i see. you are all scared of losing your jobs. well, unlike the illegal immigration issue, you ARE right on this one:
people like me who can speak english as well as another language (Italian) are much more appealing as a hire than you ignorant, close-minded individuals. yes, even in your nice cushy white-collar jobs.
heaven forbid that, as an AMERICAN, I would be able to travel to another country and conduct business with them -- bringing that money back to america....
and for so many of you people who b!tch about others NEEDING to learn another language to get by in America (where, btw, we DON'T have a national language).. .how about you needing to learn another language to get by in the world of business. and don't try and give me that crap of "well, international business is run in english.'
because as much as that might be somewhat true, it is still beneficial to have people who speak the native tongue of the country you are doing business with.
but really, you all seem like ignorant, backwoods rednecks when you actually bash people who can speak multiple languages. thanks for showing your true colors.
May 28, 2008
1:19 p.m.
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RightOn writes:
Congrats! McCain just won the election!
May 28, 2008
1:20 p.m.
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benn writes:
Yea - speaking two languages is a terrible thing!
May 28, 2008
1:23 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
i'd be better if there were less ignorant, racist and politically-juvenile (how many pet names for obama do you have?) folks like you around, gene.
thanks for asking,
TheDenverB
May 28, 2008
1:28 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
TheDenverB, who the hell do you think you are, coming on here calling everyone names. You don’t even know who in here may speak another language. And if being from L.A. makes me a redneck, then what are you, someone right out of Deliverance (if you even know what that is)?
Just because someone doesn’t want to learn another language has nothing to do with their intellectual fortitude. Obviously you are lacking in the area of common sense.
Nobody in here even probably opposes learning a second language; they just don’t want to learn the one "O" wants them to learn.
You gotta be kidding me, coming in here blasting all of your stupidity. Go back to your underwater basket weaving club.
May 28, 2008
1:29 p.m.
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elkman writes:
TheDenverB:
Our school system cannot even educate our children in one language. And by the way, a person is not ignorant or lazy because he only speaks english. English is the OFFICIAL language in America, last time I checked. So, enough of your crap. Most of us are far more educated then you think you are.
May 28, 2008
1:32 p.m.
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benn writes:
Actually no elkman, America has no 'official' language... check again. Idiot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language...
May 28, 2008
1:32 p.m.
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JustMe writes:
The DenverB is one of the few on here making sense. Obama just words? Have you actually listened to or read his actual plans? He does have them - and they are concrete and intelligent. There may be a reason he has an edge with the most highly educated in this country.
Learning a second language will likely become a necessity in the growing global economy, like it or not. And like it or not Latin America is a big player in that...at least an emerging one.
Why people are so opposed to Spanish is beyond me. I've not heard one good, logical reason against it - not one that holds up to any facts of anything. Xenophobia is what it is. Or Racism.
May 28, 2008
1:34 p.m.
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Buckwheat writes:
Don't misunderstand. I'am all for learning another language, i spent 3yrs in the Netherlands. Most spoke English, I learned Dutch
because I was in THEIR country. I don't think that is what OB meant. If you go outside this country to visit, or to do business, by all means at least make an effort to learn the lingo. You are not obligated to learn one otherwise. OB wants to change that. Funny, there are lots of Dutch,German,Italian (sp sorry). I don't remember seeing any bilingual signs in any stores in their language.
May 28, 2008
1:35 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
TheDenverB, you don’t have any credibility, come in here spewing your idiotic rhetoric, anybody with the common sense of nat knows that usually when some starts dropping the BS race bomb, it means they have nothing else worth a crap to add to the debate.
I am all about debating folks, but it morons like this that need to be put in check
May 28, 2008
1:35 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
DenverB, speaking two languages is a choice. If I decide to travel somewhere, and do the things you dream about, then I can make a CHOICE to learn any language I want. If people want to come here, then English would be a good thing for them to learn. And who decides what that second language is?
Anyway, you make it sound like we should learn to speak India's native language so when we call customer service, they don't have to speak English to us.
Make your choice and I'll make mine.
May 28, 2008
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snowsurfer writes:
How many times has Pajama posted something about bong water? Must be a closet stoner. As long as he/she doesn't get caught smoking pot in a Minnesota airport bathroom, his/her conservative friends will never find out about it.
May 28, 2008
1:39 p.m.
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freedomfighter1 writes:
I am monolingual. I do not have a problem with people speaking Spanish. I hear people say all the time (referring to hispanic populations), "they should learn English if they want to live here." Didn't they speak multiple languages before the caucasian protestents moved here. I thought we were a diverse nation? Yet we are closing down the borders and asking that everyone speak one langauage. Americans are so narcasitic. Please excuse my spelling.
May 28, 2008
1:39 p.m.
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elkman writes:
benn
Then why is every thing in English?
May 28, 2008
1:41 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
Yeah, and I am throwin names back, you gotta be kidding me, judge and you shall be judged, works both ways.
May 28, 2008
1:42 p.m.
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benn writes:
elkman,
Because most people speak English. But you said official language, and America doesn't have an official language. Don't be disingenuous, just admit that you were wrong and that you look like a fool for making claims about a topic for which you were clueless.
May 28, 2008
1:42 p.m.
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JustMe writes:
elkman wrote, "Most of us are far more educated then you think you are."
Clearly. It's "more educated THAN you think."
English is the predominant language in this country, but we do not have an "official" language. Go to any country in this world and you will see that people speak different languages. It's a fact of life.
And I only speak one language, and I'll readily admit that it is a limiting factor in my life - AND I do believe that anyone who can speak more than one language well is smarter than I!
May 28, 2008
1:43 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
Charles_B, who exactly are you referring to as a conservative?
May 28, 2008
1:45 p.m.
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SirRealist writes:
Hey Tbone .... lots of folks and groups helped out the Nazis, including grandpappy Bush, George Soros, the Catholic church, and a host of others that would blow people's minds. And yet, no punishment for them. Amazing.
May 28, 2008
1:45 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
Charles, I'd bet if you checked it out, conservatives are generally more educated than liberals.
But thanks for making me laugh...... saying conservatives don't like to learn.
May 28, 2008
1:47 p.m.
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elkman writes:
benn
Lets see. American money is written in english. The Declaration of Independence was writtin in english. The American Constitution was written in english. How much more official do you need? This blog is written in english. You are writting this in english. If english is not the official language in the United States, I would like to know what is. Spanish? French?
May 28, 2008
1:50 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
Big_D, would you say the last two years, with Democrats in control of the Senate and Congress, have been abysmal? Nancy Pelosi said two years ago that the country was going to change for the good now that they were in power. What happened? A lot of feel good talk but when it comes right down to it, no real answers?
May 28, 2008
1:51 p.m.
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snowsurfer writes:
Bush is still in power.
May 28, 2008
1:51 p.m.
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datbinnurick writes:
Hey Benn - Maybe it was never officially named as the official language - but - just for future reference - don't use wikipedia as proof - that anyone should know since you can read it in most languages and it is equally dangerous to use...
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.
May 28, 2008
1:52 p.m.
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benn writes:
man elkman, you are dense.
"... I would like to know what is" - Actually smarty, there is -no- official language in the US.
It would be more official if it was actually... you know, official. It just so happens our predominant language is English.
I also see Latin on our currency, and I could write in Spanish and this blog could be in Spanish.... your point is illogical and weak.
The -fact- is that there no official language, there is a predominant language, but no official language.
Can you admit that you look like an idiot now?
May 28, 2008
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freedomfighter1 writes:
Do we have to have a national language? What would follow a national ethnicity? A national sex? A national....
May 28, 2008
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mytwosense writes:
Dinty: "I have never understood why Liberals believe local education systems are a responsibility of the Federal Government. When did that become an accepted premise?"
Not sure, really. Although I agree with the premise.
Now, the premise that government in one way or another...city, state, federal...should pay for publication goes back to colonial times. Perhaps one of those damned liberal pioneers dreamed up such nonsense!
Which, by the way, was advocated by at least one of our founding fathers. That would be Thomas Jefferson.
May 28, 2008
1:56 p.m.
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JustMe writes:
benn wrote: "your point is illogical and weak."
Aren't most of the points on this argument illogical and weak? I mean there are no good logical and strong reasons against speaking more than one language. I seriously think it comes down to racism whether people are outwardly racist or not...I think some of it may be deep seated, some it out just shining out on the surface.
May 28, 2008
1:57 p.m.
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SirRealist writes:
By the way, Bush IS a monkey - check for yourself:
http://www.bushorchimp.com/pics2.html
May 28, 2008
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mytwosense writes:
Not sure why RMN decided to make this the headline of their article unless they want to scare the crap out of all the anti-immigrant people on this forum.
However, I believe we should all be bilingual, too. That doesn't mean I think the government should force us to be, though. But I can tell you that it only gives you more opportunities in life when you have the ability to communicate in more than one language.
May 28, 2008
1:59 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Bilingual
Did any of you angry people on the right have to take a different language class in high school? It's o.k. to speek a different language. It makes me so happy to see rush take it in the shorts AGAIN..
May 28, 2008
1:59 p.m.
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mytwosense writes:
SASQUATCH: "How come BO only talks about the white-side of his family (like his "typically white" grandma)?"
He wrote an entire book about his black father, you dolt.
May 28, 2008
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mytwosense writes:
PajamaPulitzer: "If we are really fighting the Iraq War over oil how come oil is $130 a barrel, genius?"
There is no way you're going to be able to process this information, but for anyone who can, I'm gonna put it out there.
Bush and Cheney were oilmen. The oil industry is one of their largest political funders. They are beholden to the oil industry.
Thus...they are beholden to the oil industry making profits. Which the industry does when there is LESS supply on the market, not more.
The war in Iraq was about limiting their oil production. Not increasing it. And that's why, it has taken five years for production levels to get to where they were before the war.
Sorry kids.
May 28, 2008
2:06 p.m.
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Michael writes:
http://www.eyeblast.tv:80/public/vide...
May 28, 2008
2:06 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
All of these people shoving their second language crap down our throats in here are just great. Yet they would be the last ones to even remotely suggest anyone in the U.S. who does not speak English learn to do so. Double standards? Go ahead; start throwing all the racist bombs at me for even having the audacity to ask!
May 28, 2008
2:07 p.m.
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elkman writes:
benn
I will concede that there is no "official" language in the United States. 82% of the people in America speak english. My point is,so you might not misunderstand it again, is that America is an english speaking nation. And if you are so smart, what does "The -fact- is that there no official language" mean? I believe that is your quote.
May 28, 2008
2:09 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
There is a big difference between students learning a second language and what is taught in our elementary bilingual schools. We are trying to teach all classes in both English and Spanish to students that are fluent in neither language. We are not just offering a Spanish or English language class.
When and where I was growing up, if you failed a class such as English grammer, you had to repeat the class or be held back. If any student can't pass the basic English class, they should not advance to the next grade.
May 28, 2008
2:11 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Obama 08 Biittcchs.
May 28, 2008
2:13 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
first, if you aren't ignorant and aren't angry at a politiican saying 'everybody should be bilingual' then that wasn't directed at you.
now, if you are spewing that crap (which you are) then it is directed at you. i'm not calling everybody names, just those who deserve it.
"Just because someone doesn’t want to learn another language has nothing to do with their intellectual fortitude. Obviously you are lacking in the area of common sense."
well, two things on that. one: not wanting to learn another language actually does say a lot about your intellect, to me at least. now, wanting to learn a second language, but simply not being able to devote your time to it is another thing. but to say you DONT WANT to learn another language sure seems dumb to me. how's that for common sense?
"Nobody in here even probably opposes learning a second language; they just don’t want to learn the one "O" wants them to learn."
and what language is that? i sure don't see where Obama expressly said what language that was in this article... and i don't see where this would be an executive order... rather, it just seems like he was saying a rather dumb and common sense idea that everyone should be able to speak two languages.
but, again, racism plays a big part in people's reaction. because they ASSUME he is talking about spanish. which, many people associate with illegals. people who come out and say 'i shouldn't learn spanish, they should learn english' are ignorant, because they are myopically looking at the situation instead of the larger picture. I think i am rather accurate in calling them what they are.
to another poster:
"Anyway, you make it sound like we should learn to speak India's native language so when we call customer service, they don't have to speak English to us."
where do you get that from my post? that said, what would be wrong with that? i mean, many of you bash mexian immigrants and say they shoudl speak english.. .but if you were a smart businessman and you dealt with hispanics (lets just say, legals for this debate) then you would be better served to become bilingual in spanish. in fact, you'd likely be running a better company than a similar person who refused to speak english based on some ignorant idea that spanish shouldn't be spoken in america.
and who "the hell do" i think i am? i think i'm another poster on here, just like you. it'd be one thing if you weren't name calling as well on here, ketttle. but you are just as black as this pot.
and put me in check? please. you did nothing of the sort. if anything, you solidified my position on this thread with your attitude, with what you percieved from this article and obama's statemant and what you have said to me in the thread.
thanks.
May 28, 2008
2:13 p.m.
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freedomfighter1 writes:
Oppression and racism has many faces.
May 28, 2008
2:18 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
oh, and fwiw, being a redneck has no regional boundaries anymore.
there's rednecks in LA just the same as in rural Georgia (where deliverance was based.)
and elkman:
"English is the OFFICIAL language in America, last time I checked. So, enough of your crap. Most of us are far more educated then you think you are."
well, probably. but it's clear you aren't one of them.
May 28, 2008
2:22 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"All of these people shoving their second language crap down our throats in here are just great. Yet they would be the last ones to even remotely suggest anyone in the U.S. who does not speak English learn to do so."
well, not me. so, i guess your whole theory is crap now. Like i do of Americans, i think the entire world could benefit from learning multiple languages. And yes, even mexican immigrants (legal or not) would be better off in this country where the MAJORITY language (yet, still not official) is English.
May 28, 2008
2:22 p.m.
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elkman writes:
zweivierzwei:
If it does not "matter a lick" what language the Declaration of Independence was written in, why did our fore-fathers use English? Why not French, German, Italian, or any other language? I was not talking about the Colorado Constitution, or maybe you did not read the original posting?
May 28, 2008
2:23 p.m.
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ColoNative writes:
Tbone - read history. Bush Senior was an American Fighter Pilot in WWII. Aiding Nazis? Get over yourself and your deliberate mis-information.
May 28, 2008
2:24 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
TheDenverB, I never said you should not be in here posting, but when you bust in and immediately start in the way you did, of course its going to provoke a response.
Furthermore, as far as I can see you are in check, because you weren’t able to successfully argue any of your points with anything other than emotion. In my opinion, you are the true racist in here, the first person to throw out any racially motivated slang was you "but really, you all seem like ignorant, backwoods rednecks".
No, your true colors are the ones showing. Keep talking; then I don’t have to because you’re burying yourself with your ridicules rhetoric.
May 28, 2008
2:26 p.m.
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JustMe writes:
Yiota wrote, "Ok, first of all the fact that you immediately through the race card illustrates the fact that you are a moron.
Give me ONE logical reason why America would be better off if we adopted mexican / spanish as a second language.
As best as I can tell nearly every dual language speaking country speaks english as at least one of their other languages(not all but most). Why do suppose that is?"
Why does this say I'm a moron? Because you have no logical or other argument other than name calling? Did you go to the Bob Schaffer school of debate?
Lets see - first I never said two languages should be limited to Spanish. But I do think that that's what everyone assumes and that's why they get all up in arms. Because illegal immigration has become such a hot button issue...and like it or not, there is a lot of open racism here in Colorado.
Any second language (including Spanish) would serve people well if the U-S wants to continue to grow in the global economy. I think Chinese or other Asian dialects will become very important as well.
I'm not saying we should become ONLY Spanish Speakers - or adopt another language altogether, but there would be no harm done if more people were bilingual, it would likely be a good thing.
And that goes both ways - I do think that folks who come here from other countries should learn English as well - a lot do, contrary to popular belief on here.
It enriches peoples' development to know more than one language - as soon as I can dedicate the time I'll be learning a second language, and I can't wait!
May 28, 2008
2:26 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
PP, I believe that ranting and raving are the main causes for spelling and grammatical errors.
Too funny, I just noticed that I misspelled grammar in my earlier post!
May 28, 2008
2:32 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
in check? please man, i told you why, in my opinion, i see it as racism -- and there's plenty of other people who see it that way too.
it's not that you are opposed to learning a second language, its that you are opposed to learning spanish -- because, to many on here, that would mean we have bent over backwards for illegals... which is really steeped in racism (as in, a fear of a race of peeople - hispanic).
and i don't see it that way. and unlike MANY of the posters on here, i don't think every brown skinned person, or every person with a hispanic surname is illegal (how many stories on here today have people asking what someone's immigration status is just because their last name is Rodriguez, or something like that).
so, YOU might not be an ignorant racist... but to ingore the large portion of those on here that are is ... well ... ignorant.
but hey, while we are talking about arguing our points... what language did obama say you MUST learn today? how about we go back to that "point" you made.... i have yet to see where that was specified in the story...
and being a redneck isn't a race. so that is hardly racism.
May 28, 2008
2:34 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
Last time I looked in the dictionary, not wanting to speak multiple languages was not the definition of "racist". But hey, I could be wrong, being that TheDenverB (aka: emotionalwreck101), not knowing me from Adam, has labeled me redneck.
May 28, 2008
2:39 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"Last time I looked in the dictionary, not wanting to speak multiple languages was not the definition of "racist"."
i'm glad you can use a dictionary, but i never said that defined you as a racist. and can you tell me how you looked up the definition of an entire 6-word phrase in a dictionary? that must be a neat dictionary.
oh, you were being sarcastic. gotcha. well, you can do better than that. i have confidence in you.
and i never labeled you a reneck. i used that term generally to describe the people on here complaining that political candidate said it's good to learn another language and took offense to it -- and more specifically those who automatically thought he meant spanish and took EVEN more offense to it for the reasons i detailed in my last post.
now, if you took that to mean you... then you should look into that on your own.
but hey, you don't REALLY want to debate this on here as you said... that's clear enough.
you really are on here to bash people with other points of view than yours and call people names... otherwise you wouldn't have dragged yourself into this whole argument with me.
and hey, that's fine. i have done my name calling on here as well... but you can get off your high-horse now.
May 28, 2008
2:41 p.m.
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JustMe writes:
Yiota wrote, "Get a better argument than calling anyone a racist if they oppose our country being over run by an under class society pouring over the border illegally, abusing our generous services and programs until the programs become broke or bankrupt, failing to obey our laws and completely failing to assimilate into our society."
Yes, silly me, calling anyone a racist. Your above statement is clearly an accepting and open commentary on a race different from your own.
Give me a break.
Oh - and thank you for proving my point.
May 28, 2008
2:42 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
When did I ever say anything racist? I am still waiting. You throw all of this junk out, but where did I say it? Oh, you can’t find anywhere where I said anything that even compares to what you are portraying. I guess you think your like Obama, you just toss out whatever you want and were all supposed to just accept and digest it as the truth. If you are going to be labeling me a racist, you might want to do your research and homework a little better, good luck.
May 28, 2008
2:44 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
mytwosense......
"Bush and Cheney were oilmen. The oil industry is one of their largest political funders. They are beholden to the oil industry."
So..... does that make Obama beholden to trial lawyers and politicians? That is what Obama is, so unless you're admitting to being a hypocrite, you must also admit that Obama is beholden to trial lawyers and politicians instead of the American people if you make that claim about Bush on the basis of past occupations.
"Thus...they are beholden to the oil industry making profits. Which the industry does when there is LESS supply on the market, not more. The war in Iraq was about limiting their oil production. Not increasing it. And that's why, it has taken five years for production levels to get to where they were before the war."
You forgot to check the data before posting an opinion.
A check of the latest data from the EIA, shows that average weekly oil supplies were 20.312 million barrels over the past 4 weeks. Prior to the Iraq War, average weekly oil supplies were 19.71 million barrels over the 6 months prior to the start of the Iraq War.
Supplies have INCREASED since the Iraq War, not decreased as you claimed.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/his...
May 28, 2008
2:44 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"Get a better argument than calling anyone a racist if they oppose our country being over run by an under class society pouring over the border illegally, abusing our generous services and programs until the programs become broke or bankrupt, failing to obey our laws and completely failing to assimilate into our society."
that doesn't make one a racist.
however, taking that sentament and putting on EVERY brown-skinned person with a hispanic name in this country is racism. when people on here (and there's plenty of them) automatically jump to a conclusion about hispanic folks that they are illegal (again, i'm not making this up. feel free to go back and read all the posts your heart desires) the it does become racism, by definition.
it would be like saying 'all blacks are lazy', or 'all jews are cheap'. it's a stereotype and generalization of an entire race or group of people.
so, it's not for a lack of argument, it's calling it for what it is.
May 28, 2008
2:44 p.m.
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elkman writes:
zweivierzwei:
I already conceded the fact that there is no "official" language in America. Or did you miss that post? What is it with the name-calling? Can't you think of any thing of value to say, other then name-calling? Get a life.
May 28, 2008
2:45 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
TheDenverB,
And don’t sit back and cower behind your computer pretending you weren’t implying I was racist, enough backpedaling, it was pretty obvious what your intentions were, and you failed, better luck next time.
May 28, 2008
2:46 p.m.
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EDJ writes:
PajamaPulitzer: I think you need to pay more attention. "Libs" and conservatives alike commit errors in both spelling and grammar.
May 28, 2008
2:48 p.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
There are only two words that a bilingual conservative wants to learn: sieg heil!
May 28, 2008
2:49 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"When did I ever say anything racist?
better question: where did i say that you did? you are simply creating an argument so that you can further it on here now.
in fact, i even admitted above that you might not be racist... but clearly ignorant:
"so, YOU might not be an ignorant racist... but to ingore the large portion of those on here that are is ... well ... ignorant."
"Oh, you can’t find anywhere where I said anything that even compares to what you are portraying."
well, but that isn't the case. again, WHAT LANGUAGE WERE YOU REFERING TO ABOVE THAT OBAMA WANTS YOU TO SPEAK? still not answering that one, are you....
because if you did, it would confirm what i said above. you'll say spanish, and then you fit into the definition i said above...
but since you didn't say that outright, i haven't outright called you a racist, or said that you said anything racist.
May 28, 2008
2:51 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
and yes, i have an inkling that you are a racist. and yes, i have implied it based on what you have said (and not said, and refused to say)
but i never called you a racist outright.
trust me bud, there's no backpedaling here. i think you are ignorant, probably racist and not worth any more of my time and thought on here.
have a great day.
May 28, 2008
2:53 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
When did I even come anywhere close to saying something like this "however, taking that sentiment and putting on EVERY brown-skinned person with a Hispanic name in this country."
You must be talking about someone else, or you lost track of where you were trying to go with all of this, because I didn’t even remotely imply anything of this sort.
Everyone already knows about the game you play in here, God for bid anyone dares question you, or not agree with you, they are labeled a racist. Well that BS isn’t going anywhere with me, I am still waiting for you to find one post where I have said anything discriminatory about anyone race/color/ethnicity, any day now, where’s your evidence?
May 28, 2008
2:54 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
"Everybody should be bilingual"
As Obama's political consultants and handlers cringe at that gaffe, Obama just lost a few million more voters. That's not a good way to repair Obama's collapse among one of the largest voting segments of the country..... the average white, non-college educated voter in the Midwest, Upper Great Lakes, and industrial east. Obama already alienated them with his elitist position on "guns and religion", and now is claiming they need to learn other languages in an Obama run country.
What next from Team Oblunder? Refusing to consider the votes of Michigan and Florida to be worth counting? Oh wait. He's already on record for that position.
May 28, 2008
2:55 p.m.
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Citizen21 writes:
Ok...so how is Obama going to support the US born English speaking students in school to become bi-lingual? Classes since elementary in another language? Or is he only going to encourage the children of illegal, Spanish-only speaking immigrants to learn English and call that bi-lingual.
What is the program? I need to know the solution?
May 28, 2008
2:58 p.m.
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May 28, 2008
2:59 p.m.
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May 28, 2008
3 p.m.
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elkman writes:
zweivierzwei:
Thank you for making my point. When you get into the name-calling, you have nothing of value to say. Rant on, so that sane men know you to be crazy.
May 28, 2008
3:01 p.m.
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DahmersCookbook writes:
Obama is looking younger in some of his photos, must be the illuminati facial cream.
May 28, 2008
3:02 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"When did I even come anywhere close to saying something like this "however, taking that sentiment and putting on EVERY brown-skinned person with a Hispanic name in this country.""
and where did i say you did?
"You must be talking about someone else, or you lost track of where you were trying to go with all of this, because I didn’t even remotely imply anything of this sort."
sure you did. talk about backpedaling... again, WHAT LANGUAGE DOES OBAMA WANT YOU TO LEARN??? and be honest... you automatically assumed he meant spanish... and the rest of your posts and attitude sure do fall in line with what i said above if you would simply own up to what you meant by that.
come on, child. i'm not backpedaling or even holding back here. i've for sure spoken my mind honestly here. now i think its time you do the same...
or just quit dragging out this dumb argument and post something worthwhile to the discussion for once.
and i'm a racist? towards what race?
May 28, 2008
3:05 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
"We need to simplify the paperwork for applying for financial aid, Obama said."
Wow... he sure knows how to stretch for lofty goals.
What other "ambitious" objectives does Obama support?
"We need faster times at fast food drive throughs, Obama said." The crowd of low IQ residents responded with a standing ovation.
"I promise to make your pets feel special, Obama stated." The crowd of obedient lapdogs roared with applause.
The only people dumber than an Obama supporters? Those who waste fuel and time to go hear Obama make his latest gaffe.
May 28, 2008
3:05 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
You better go take your meds before they put you back on lock down, come on, keep ranting, it really highlights just how much of a moron (racist) you are. Now, I have to go, but I will be back in an hour or so if you need me to expose you for the filth you are, and keep you in check.
May 28, 2008
3:05 p.m.
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mytwosense writes:
rickg, I'll take your word for it that supplies are now slightly over what they were before the war. But the war started years ago and during much of that time, oil production levels were unpredictable and mostly well below pre-war levels.
In other words, that's a long time to have to reap up a lot of profits. Oh, and Iraq is also a member of OPEC again - where the Sauds can keep tight control over their production levels. That's one of the threats Saddam posed. Since Iraq wasn't a member of OPEC during his reign, they didn't have that kind of control.
May 28, 2008
3:09 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
lol.
and you keep ignorning the one statement you made that proves me right... way to go champ.
moron? ha.
and racist? again, what race am i racist towards?
wait, nevermind, i don't care. you don't even need to come up with whatever half-assed response you had in mind... you're a joke, and have proven that on here by your inability to discuss (or even argue) this on an intelligent level. which, honestly, has dragged me down to your level (filth).
so, on that note:
get back to flipping burgers, clown.
May 28, 2008
3:11 p.m.
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RBN writes:
I did not think people could be this dumb!!! How can learning anything ever be a bad thing? The people who are against learning another language will be left behind. Let them continue to be ignorant, just makes things easier for the people who are smart enough to adapt.
May 28, 2008
3:11 p.m.
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Citizen21 writes:
"Everybody should be bilingual"
What does that mean? Did anyone get his plan?
May 28, 2008
3:12 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
JMac....
The latest report by the EIA refutes your claims.
Summary from "Analysis of Crude Oil Production in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge", released in May 2008, has the following statements....
"The opening of ANWR to oil and gas development includes the following impacts:
reducing world oil prices,
reducing the U.S. dependence on imported foreign oil,
improving the U.S. balance of trade,
extending the life of TAPS for oil, and
increasing U.S. jobs"
Which of those significant benefits to Americans are you opposed to?
May 28, 2008
3:14 p.m.
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DahmersCookbook writes:
What the school really needs is Wright! 3 Hours with satan. The chief evil spirit; the great adversary of humanity, oh wait they did get that.
May 28, 2008
3:14 p.m.
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O_TRAIN writes:
Does Pig-Latin count? I might be trilingual
May 28, 2008
3:17 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
mytwosense...
Actually, the data shows you're wrong about the duration and effects of declines in Iraqi oil production. The average production level between the start of the Iraq war and today, is higher than it was during through the 1990s.
That shows that your justification for claiming that the war in Iraq was to reduce supplies is factually wrong. And as a result, your use of that erroneous justification makes your conclusion about Bush to be erroneous as well.
May 28, 2008
3:20 p.m.
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elkman writes:
zweivierzwei:
As Victor Hugo wrote, "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause". And thank you for calling me "sane".
May 28, 2008
3:21 p.m.
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EDJ writes:
PajamaPulitzer: Could you at least acknowledge that a lot of the conservatives have issues with postings as well? Perhaps "3/4" or "2/3" of all conservative postings have grammatical issues? Not "all" but more than "half." Please reread your post: People who major in "Education" are less educated? That is quite a comment on colleges and universities in America and those teaching in our public school system (perhaps those who might have educated you at some point in your life). Finally, an undergraduate degree in a business-related field does not make one proficient in the English language--only Arabic numbers. There is a lot more writing that goes on in Women's Studies-type course. Trust me, I have a BA and an advanced business-related degree. Horror of horrors, a "lib" with multiple degrees in "useful" fields.
May 28, 2008
3:22 p.m.
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SlouchingTowardBoulder writes:
The exact quote from AP:
"Understand that my starting principle is, everybody should be bilingual or everybody should be trilingual," Obama said to cheers at a high school. Otherwise, he said, the United States will struggle to keep up with economic competition from other countries."
May 28, 2008
3:23 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Everyone should learn how to speak Obamaese.
In the Obamaese, you can lie and idiot supporters will make excuses for your lies.
In Obamaese, you can make gaffes on a daily basis, and idiot supporters will claim it is the listeners who "mis-heard" it.
In Obamaese, you can say nothing, and idiot supporters will claim it was substantive.
In Obamaese, you can admit you support terrorists, and idiot supporters will claim you never said any such thing.
In Obamaese, you can state in debates that you will meet with terrorists without any preconditions, and when Americans recoil in shock, your idiot followers will spin a new excuse for you.
In Obamaese, you can claim you've been to 57 states, and your idiot supporters will say that you were talking about your real homeland country... not America.
In Obamaese, you can lie about your uncle's military service, as if that was some excuse for your own refusal to serve, and your idiot supporters will hail you as a hero.
Yeah.... Obamaese. The wave of the future in the Islamic States of America.
May 28, 2008
3:25 p.m.
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athought writes:
Considering that Obama wanted to repeal NAFTA and all the cheap Canadian crude it brings, I'm surprised now he wants everyone to be bilingual like the Canadians. I thought Canada was our great trade enemy. Ouvoir.
May 28, 2008
3:28 p.m.
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RBN writes:
Gas prices are high because of two reasons. The USA has not built a new oil refinery in like 20 years and the demand for oil in emerging markets has tripled and the US is no longer dictating the price. It’s as simple as that. People that comment on here are so retarded. I can't believe some of the comments I have read on here. Some or you are totally blind to the fact that you are completely racist, not to mention morons!
May 28, 2008
3:32 p.m.
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RBN writes:
Father time...I mean McCain is going to destroy the world!!! Please do not vote for him. He is pure evil! And I am a republican!
May 28, 2008
3:39 p.m.
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joggle writes:
I kind of skimmed the comments seeing as most of them were name-calling (as usual).
Does anyone care to explain why Obama's statement was wrong that being bilingual is a good thing? To me it seems like a similar statement as saying "People shouldn't eat too much" or "People shouldn't smoke". It's so obvious that usually you wouldn't make such a statement. In America though people tend to be completely unaware of the merits of being fluent in two or more languages. It opens up all sorts of doors to the person and gives them a new way of thinking and another perspective from a foreign culture since there are often elements of the culture embedded in the language and in the process of learning the language you usually learn much about their culture.
Someone above mentioned going to the Netherlands and how most of them spoke English. They are often trilingual and are taught English starting in early elementary school and a third language in junior high (usually German I think).
We have a very lousy education system in the US and the farther we get behind other countries the harder it will be for us to keep our current prominence in the world.
If you think local education is the best method, find one other country in the world that emphasizes local education with weak federal regulation that is better than, say, the Netherlands' education system. You aren't going to find one since virtually every other industrialized nation (probably all of them) have much more strict national control of their education system than the US and are mostly kicking our butts in any test you can think of (especially math in high school).
May 28, 2008
3:40 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
JMac..... the wait continues...
Summary from "Analysis of Crude Oil Production in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge", released in May 2008, has the following statements....
"The opening of ANWR to oil and gas development includes the following impacts:
reducing world oil prices,
reducing the U.S. dependence on imported foreign oil,
improving the U.S. balance of trade,
extending the life of TAPS for oil, and
increasing U.S. jobs"
Which of those significant benefits to Americans are you opposed to?
May 28, 2008
3:40 p.m.
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elkman writes:
zweivierzwei:
Try this one:
When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff. Can you understand that statement? You just don't get it. Abusing people to make a point is a poor way to win an argument. But then, you must use this blog site to vent your anger. Hope the wife and kids don't have to take this same kind of crap.
May 28, 2008
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SlouchingTowardBoulder writes:
I'm wondering how blue-collar Democrats in the Midwest (you know, the "racist ignorant" ones) will receive this mandate from Obama that his "starting principle is, everybody should be bilingual or everybody should be trilingual".
And at what opportunity cost? In other words, what subjects will be given short shrift? English, most likely, but also ath and science which are two subjects we need to beef up in order to compete in the global market. This new Obama language mandate is not well thought out and will not make us stronger. It is pandering to shore up Obama's weakness among Hispanics. (By the way, Colorado has the 5th largest Hispanic population by per capita.)
May 28, 2008
3:42 p.m.
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JustMe writes:
Posted by RBN on May 28, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Gas prices are high because of two reasons. The USA has not built a new oil refinery in like 20 years and the demand for oil in emerging markets has tripled and the US is no longer dictating the price. It’s as simple as that. People that comment on here are so retarded. I can't believe some of the comments I have read on here. Some or you are totally blind to the fact that you are completely racist, not to mention morons!
Actually - the weak U.S. dollar actually has a lot to do with the high price of crude. It's a huge factor...so there are more than two reasons.
But that brings up something interesting. The weakening U.S. dollar.
As the global economy continues to grow the U.S. is going to have to keep up or it will crumble. It's as simple as that. Now in order to compete in a global economy - it's helpful for people to speak different languages. China and other parts of Asia as well as Latin America are huge emerging players in said global economy.
How anyone can think that learning a second language is a bad thing is beyond me.
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Also, Obama supporters are stupid? Do you (whoever said that) not read anything besides RMN...are you also a Fox News fan? Obama supporters are among the most highly educated people in this country.
Why do supporters continue to defend what he says? Because the media choose to take little sound bites completely out of context and readers/watcher eat it up without care of context or what he is actually saying/standing behind.
May 28, 2008
3:47 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
where do you all get that this is some "mandate" from his potential administration?
i don't see that anywhere in this story, which means you are all just assuming this and arguing a point that doesn't even exist.
i think some of you read into this too much. someone asked him a question, and his response was that everybody should be bilingual.
i think most normal people (on BOTH sides of the isle) take that on the surface. it's like saying 'everybody should have a college education'. it's a nice thought, that if it were true, would be a good thing.
and i bet the people in the midwest are smarter than you give them credit for, and they (in general) will take it for how he meant it as well. in fact, in your statement slouching, you almost imply that they ARE too ignorant to see that...
of course, you also think this is a mandate....
and, i think it IS safe to assume, he promotes that kind of education.... but a mandate? can someone point that out to me where it makes taht clear, or even explain how you took it to mean that?
May 28, 2008
3:47 p.m.
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FredFlintstone writes:
2 languages, well hell I'm only a forking caveman.
May 28, 2008
3:51 p.m.
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Citizen21 writes:
Attn: joggle
— Support English language learners. Obama says transitional bilingual education will help English learners get ahead.
So how is Obama going to support the US born English speaking students in school to become bi-lingual? Classes since elementary in another language? Or is he only going to encourage the non-english speaking immigrants in our schools to learn English and call that bi-lingual? Whatever the native tongue, that is NOT bi-lingual. It puts native English speaking children at a disadvantage just because they already speak English.
May 28, 2008
3:52 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
i mean, i just see it as the guy having a vision for the country that includes good things like furthering education and being able to speak more than one language.
i mean, wouldn't all of you want that for your own children? think of the opportunities that creates...
and i do see the argument from some of you IF THIS HAD BEEN called a potential mandate by obama if elected... i know our system is a mess and how would we fund this? i get that.... and partially agree
but again, this wasn't a mandate. he was saying it was a good thing and that he supports similar programs to the ones in the school he was at as well as kids getting the best education they can...
i think we can ALL agree on that...
oh, and remember, president Bush speaks spanish somewhat fluently and even gives a weekly adress in spanish (albeit with a total gringo accent). i bet even he would be in agreement with obama on this issue.
May 28, 2008
3:54 p.m.
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davies writes:
joggle: Permit me to make two points.
#1, The issue is not so much whether learning a second language is a good thing or not. Any effort at further learning can generally be considered a good thing. However:
#2, in my opinion, Obama's statement was a huge political mistake. It will be widely perceived as caving in to, sympathizing with, and even facilitating the continuing entry of more and more illegal aliens. I'm not saying that's necessarily fair, but I see a huge backlash coming.
The message, whether intended or not, is: "If you can't lick 'em, join 'em."
May 28, 2008
3:54 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
TheDenverB
"WHAT LANGUAGE DOES OBAMA WANT YOU TO LEARN???" Here we go with the idiotic space cadet BS from planet cornball again. TheDenverB, once again, how is asking what language "O" wants us all to be bilingual in racist? I don’t know the answer, but why don’t you enlighten us with your wealth of knowledge, go ahead, don’t be afraid, try and make an educated guess and tell us what you think "O" meant by this. Come on brain surgeon, what language do you think he was implying we be "bilingual" in?
Again, if this is the best argument you can come up with for labeling me a racist, then your assessment is pathetic, but that’s what has come to be expected from you now isn’t it.
Lastly, as far as pointing out Obama's voting attendance, seems to me that has more bearing on these posts than your false accusations that anyone who questions why we should be bilingual is a racist, because that judgment is not worth its weight in dung.
But I know, your poor little feelings are hurt because someone dare point out anything bad about your cult leader. Wake up; stop implying anyone who asks questions is a racist. Once again, when you immediately dump the race card BS crap, you immediately lose credibility with most people, regardless if they are right or left.
Funny part is, we probably agree on a lot of things, I for one can also not stand people who come in these posts spewing racial crap either, but I don’t just jump into a post on the attack either, falsely implying that everyone is a bunch of redneck racist.
May 28, 2008
3:59 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
""WHAT LANGUAGE DOES OBAMA WANT YOU TO LEARN???" Here we go with the idiotic space cadet BS from planet cornball again. TheDenverB, once again, how is asking what language "O" wants us all to be bilingual in racist? I don’t know the answer, but why don’t you enlighten us with your wealth of knowledge, go ahead, don’t be afraid, try and make an educated guess and tell us what you think "O" meant by this. Come on brain surgeon, what language do you think he was implying we be "bilingual" in?"
you weren't asking. you were telling, allow me to quote you and then be done with you -- as it's clear you don't even have a clue what you are talking about when you are talking about what you said:
"Nobody in here even probably opposes learning a second language; they just don’t want to learn the one "O" wants them to learn."
really, your posts have no point and all you can do is call people names after they have put out valid points, arguments and statements.
May 28, 2008
4:03 p.m.
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davies writes:
I think he wants us to learn Arabic ;-)
May 28, 2008
4:03 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
i will address this though:
"go ahead, don’t be afraid, try and make an educated guess and tell us what you think "O" meant by this. Come on brain surgeon, what language do you think he was implying we be "bilingual" in?"
and here's where we differ.
i just figured he meant bilingual in general, and wasn't specifying a language. again, i can speak italian, so maybe i thought he was refering to people like me who chose what they wanted to learn as a second language.
you, on the other hand, CLEARLY assume he is talking about spanish (and i was right).
thanks. we are done here.
May 28, 2008
4:07 p.m.
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RBN writes:
A vote for McCain is a vote for death and more destruction.
May 28, 2008
4:09 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
"Nobody in here even probably opposes learning a second language; they just don’t want to learn the one "O" wants them to learn."
I am still waiting for how this makes me a racist; it’s really a simple question. Like I said, we probably agree on a lot of things, but we can’t have any sort of an intelligent debate about anything until the race crap is resolve. But we all know that’s really not what you want now is it, no; they name streets after people like you, "one way."
Oh, and ah, BTW, "redneck" is also used by you in "name calling," if your going to criticize one for it, you might not want to do it yourself, I think that called, lets see, hypocritical, ohhhhh, but I forgot, its ok for you know isn’t. Yeah, that whole little freedom of speech thing only applies to you and those who agree with you now doesn’t it.
You are so transparent; it is easy to see right through your BS, what a juvenile (mindset).
May 28, 2008
4:09 p.m.
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elkman writes:
zweivierzwei
"All I was doing was punishing you for engaging in bad tactics".
I did not know that you were my superior to be punishing me. Further more, you are the one engaging in bad tactics. I have been trying my best to point that out to you. However, you just do not get it. You are the idiot.
May 28, 2008
4:09 p.m.
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davies writes:
Pajama: By the way, I read an earlier post of yours and THIS TIME YOU WENT TOO FAR - YOU DENIGRATED THE "K" CAR! My Plymouth Reliant was a fine automobile, and the K car line is widely recognized to have saved the Chrysler Corporation. I DEMAND A HUMBLE RETRACTION OR YOU WILL PAY. Mock my words!
May 28, 2008
4:12 p.m.
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Citizen21 writes:
Denver B
I don't think anyone is opposing an improvement to our education system. But, by only supporting programs for the non-english speaking immigrants in our schools (whatever the native tonge) to learn English is not creating a bi-lingual program. It puts native English speaking children at a disadvantage just because they already speak English. I don't agree with that.
May 28, 2008
4:17 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
"I am still waiting for how this makes me a racist; it’s really a simple question. Like I said, we probably agree on a lot of things, but we can’t have any sort of an intelligent debate about anything until the race crap is resolve. But we all know that’s really not what you want now is it, no; they name streets after people like you, "one way.""
three things.
1: i have already told you how, in my opinion, that shows people to be racist above. go back and read, clown.
2: we all know YOU don't really want a discussion, and i've already proven THAT above. again, go back and read, clown.
3: when did i ever say i didn't name-call? in fact, i owned up to it above while pointing out YOUR hypocracy for calling out others for both name-calling and for not being on subject (which you proved in your first post YOU weren't even on here to do). That, and i don't have a problem with calling people racist or ignorant when the shoe fits. one more, again, GO BACK AND READ, CLOWN.
now, my day is done and i'm going to head right into into LOVELY i-70 traffic.
May 28, 2008
4:18 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
Citizen21, be careful, you may get labeled the "R" word very quickly.
May 28, 2008
4:23 p.m.
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May 28, 2008
4:24 p.m.
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davies writes:
No thanks on Jimmy, but K cars were great and you obviously like those FOREIGN MADE cars, probably with a talking computer that speaks Spanish to you and automatically turns towards Mecca three time a day.
NO WAIT! I know, you're an evil, Satan-worshiping neo-con that drives a Hummer and has stock in Halliburton and uh... oh, never mind, I think I'll fit in better over on the new Space Alien story blog. See ya ;-)
May 28, 2008
4:25 p.m.
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elkman writes:
zweivierzwei
You remind my of the high school bully that never grew up. I never once even hinted at being superior to you. You are the one with the overgrown ego. Let it go before you snap. Once again, you are an idiot.
May 28, 2008
4:34 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
I want to apologize to the rest of you who got stuck in the middle of that storm. Frankly, I can’t really stand any of the candidates, I’m critical of Obama, but it doesn’t stop there. McCain and Hillary drive me crazy too; no it doesn’t take much I know. But I will not just take everything these politicians say at face value, I have a hard time believing any of them, and especially am doubtful how they are going to change anything. That being said, lets get back to business.
May 28, 2008
4:39 p.m.
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elkman writes:
zweivierzwei
I already said I was wrong, what do you want? Keep being an idiot!
May 28, 2008
4:47 p.m.
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OhBrother writes:
DenverB
don't you get it yet, nothing and nobody here is racist! Ever (well except anyone who calls someone else racist?) Everyone in America knows Obama means "learn Spanish and allow all illegal aliens a free ride" when he said it would be a good IDEA to learn a number of different languages ( I guess Obama is the end all be all now. he suggest something and it turns into law that very moment! ). The only thing I don't understand is when someone is called a racist they get so mad if they are not? why wouldn't they just say they are not and move on? I see it as either a hyper sensitive overreaction or maybe..just maybe it isn't the first time they have had that label placed on them. Wonder why...
May 28, 2008
4:49 p.m.
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elkman writes:
zweivierzwei
You have only drug yourself down. I have not called you anything more than a high school bully and an idiot. Both of which seem to be true. If using this blog to vent your anger helps you, then you really do need some help. But not by me. By the way, does your lack of friends give you a clue to your being an idiot?
May 28, 2008
4:49 p.m.
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elkman writes:
zweivierzwei
You have only drug yourself down. I have not called you anything more than a high school bully and an idiot. Both of which seem to be true. If using this blog to vent your anger helps you, then you really do need some help. But not by me. By the way, does your lack of friends give you a clue to your being an idiot?
May 28, 2008
4:53 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
I think TheDenverB and zweivierzwei are the same person. At least their posts are the same rants...... endless rants without much intellect. It's like two kids trying hard to be intelligent but bringing to the table nothing but cutdowns and whining.
Look, here's something you both can't debate, if I or others here don't want to learn another language, for whatever reason, get off our backs and get a life. My reason has nothing to do with racism anyway, I just have better things to do with my life and my time. Get it? Now, go learn as many languages as you want and feel satisfied you did something with your time that actually has meaning.
One more thing, it doesn't make sense for a business to ask their customers to speak another language, does it? So if I'm calling customer service in India, you bet they better know how to speak english. If I call any company who does business in the U.S., they better know how to speak english on the other end. If those business owners don't like it, maybe they can keep the jobs in America and for Americans instead of sending them out of the country.
May 28, 2008
4:55 p.m.
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mytwosense writes:
rickg: "mytwosense...Actually, the data shows you're wrong about the duration and effects of declines in Iraqi oil production. The average production level between the start of the Iraq war and today, is higher than it was during through the 1990s."
rickg, could you supply your data source? I just noticed that the link you originally gave to assert this information actually references "US Supply" in the headline, not Iraq.
May 28, 2008
4:55 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
OhBrother, I know I took it really (too) far, I just get angry and upset when the only thing someone has to throw out is the other person is a racist. Especially when they haven’t even taken the time to figure out where you are coming from. I know I can get down right mean; I may be many things, but a racist I am not. Problem is I let TheDenverB get on my nerves because I have seen her all over the place in the blogs, and every time, just like clockwork, the racist card gets dropped, and frankly I got sick of it today. Again, I apologize, that doesn’t mean I won’t go off with the best of em, but I do apologize.
May 28, 2008
5:07 p.m.
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MTN_Frank writes:
Posted by PajamaPulitzer on May 28, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Oil will be $30 a barrel again even if we don't drill in ANWAR. But it will only be $30 because after 3 or 4 years of these prices and you and I will be too broke to pay more and demand will sink.
$30 seems to be the equilibrium price of oil when others factor are stable.
The point you are missing is that oil could just as well be $500 a barrel now and we could do zero about that because people like you seem to value Caribou more than human life.
Are you going to answer the question? Caribou or people?"
After reading this hate-filled blog I'll take caribou anyday.
May 28, 2008
5:15 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
My understanding is, and correct me if I'm wrong (because I know someone will), that they are drilling like crazy in California, North Dakota, and a few other states. Problem is, they can’t refine it because there are not enough refineries. The environmentalists, and most people for that matter, don’t want a refinery in there back yard. There has to be some kind of reasonable place (IE: the damn desert) we can put a refinery. I never thought I would see the day (or imagined) that we could see $10+ gallon for gas if WE don’t get our act together. I am all about alternative and eco friendly fuels, but in the mean time we have to do something.
Wow, it’s nice to have an adult conversation without the "R" word getting in the way.
May 28, 2008
5:26 p.m.
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John_Galt writes:
BO's DEMOCRATIC platform.
1) No changes on illegal immigration. In fact, don't require U.S. identification when voting so that illegals can vote for him too.
2) Immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq, so that Muslim extremists can claim they won & attract more terrorist followers.
3) More artsy-craftsy classes for students so that their minds are more easily influenced by liberal politicians.
4) Don't develop U.S. energy supplies in ANWR (where no one would want to visit) or along the Gulf coast. Thereby, keeping the U.S. dependent on Middle Eastern oil.
5) Also, keep up the ban on building new refineries in the U.S., so that even if we develop U.S. oil fields, we couldn't refine it anyway. Both policies (#4 & #5) keep the cost of gasoline unreasonably high.
6) Talk to dictators without conditions to give them credibility amongst their extremist followers.
7) Voice support for Israel, but undermine that support through action after election.
8) Cut military & intelligence spending back to the levels of the Clinton era.
9) Increase taxes on everyone so that spending on social programs can be increased along with the budget deficit.
10) Free healthcare for everyone, including illegal immigrants, the lazy & good-for-nothing non-workers, etc. Of course, government liberals will tell you what treatments you are allowed, which doctors you see and when you can get get treatment. After all, government liberals will know better than you what you really need.
May 28, 2008
5:35 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
mytwosense....
The link provided previously was to show that your allegation that the reason for the Iraq War was to create "less supply" is inaccurate. The data shows that oil supplies to American consumers is actually higher... not lower.
To reinforce the invalidity of the claim that the reason for the Iraq War was to reduce supply is to look at the Iraqi production levels over the past 30 years.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/coun...
You'll see that the average annual oil production in Iraq is higher since the war started, than it was for the decade preceding the Iraq War. Also, it was even higher than it was during the 1980s.
May 28, 2008
5:38 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
Wait, I'm sure it just must be me, but isn’t it a little funny how RMN changed the headline on this one. From the language thing to the education criticize Bushy thing. Ohhhh, how convenient, they saw that the language one was negatively affecting their leader so they changed it, wow that was way tooooo obvious.
May 28, 2008
5:42 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
JMac.....
Yes, I did read the other details from the ANWR report. Even with those details, the authors of the report concluded....
"The opening of ANWR to oil and gas development includes the following impacts:
reducing world oil prices,
reducing the U.S. dependence on imported foreign oil,
improving the U.S. balance of trade,
extending the life of TAPS for oil, and
increasing U.S. jobs"
So that leads to the key question....which of those significant benefits to Americans are you opposed to?
May 28, 2008
5:59 p.m.
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redwhiteandBLUE writes:
OBAMA..IS GIVING "THEM" THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 28, 2008
6:14 p.m.
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Alive writes:
Obama? Who? Never heard of 'em.
I like how that one guy spelled the word "the" like "TEH". LOL that's pretty clever! This kind of witty repartee could often be found on the blog of Deb Frisch. Look her up sometime.
Spelling like that shows that you spit in da face of da man! You sure got the man good I tell ya. That's so Che!
May 28, 2008
6:27 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
Heck yeah PajamaPulitzer, I’m perked up, just had to take a moment to feed the kids. Just wondering if that good old food I bbq'd for the family is going to taste the same with the government issued (hand out/issued) cheese I am gong to have to stand in line for here soon (just an observation)!
May 28, 2008
6:51 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
Obama "vows" to fix NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND, hey, great, ahhh, how............ I read the darn article, ahhhhhhhh, where exactly is it he explains how? Welcome to America 2010:
Gas = $10 a gallon
Terrorist strike in our cities = monthly, but fluctuates to daily depending on the kill the infidel season
Food = Have to stand in line for those handouts because they can’t afford the gas prices to ship it anymore.
Education = Free, but were too broke to eat so it wont matter anyway. And free to everyone but you, oh ya, and by the way, you have to pay for it somewhere (taxes, duh)!
Language = You pick, up north it will be Norwegian, depending on what part of the soil you reside, the language will be different.
Air Travel = that will be a memory
Medical Care = Also free, but you have to wait in line for six weeks to get that basketball sized lump in your mid-section, no, not diagnosed or treated, just looked at.
Wow, we’ve been missing out on so much stuff, I just can’t wait!
I just cant wait for what Obama is going to tell me when a rouge group of violent terrorists takes over one of my kids schools, he'll say, were going to "change" that, I will bring "hope" back to your schools! Its open target on America baby, we are going to be circling the drain. Sad part is, I am sure there are people, probably in this forum that can’t wait, and are licking their chops.
But hey, at least everything is not the Mc"same"!!!
May 28, 2008
6:56 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
Ahhhhhh, but hey folks, if we just bury our head in the dirt and portend nobody is going to hurt us, ignore it and it will all just go away like a bad dream! Ignore it and it will go away, yippee.
May 28, 2008
7:03 p.m.
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HOOK writes:
Ohhhhh man, news flash, US Air just announced they we'll be ending free peanuts on domestic flights, see, I told ya, let the fun begin.
May 28, 2008
7:29 p.m.
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jay writes:
"Do you realize that things were pretty good two years ago before the Democrats took control of Congress?"
"Ahhhhhh, but hey folks, if we just bury our head in the dirt and portend nobody is going to hurt us, ignore it and it will all just go away like a bad dream!"
do we really have to keep debunking the same far right wing myths and strawman arguments over and over again?
can't you folks on the extreme ends of the political spectrum at least come up with some new, laughably inaccurate material in order to keep it interesting?
May 28, 2008
7:53 p.m.
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May 28, 2008
7:54 p.m.
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May 28, 2008
7:55 p.m.
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happymike44 writes:
Well I feel so much safer knowing this idiot is running for office.I can see it now our borders wide open to every third world toilet nation.Marching in and taking us over while this idiot hands them hamburges and margarita's sing we're in the money.Also the new song what a bunch of morons these people are.God help us all for only he holds the future in our hands.Remember people you can't complain about the government if you don't vote.
May 28, 2008
7:59 p.m.
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May 28, 2008
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May 28, 2008
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May 28, 2008
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May 28, 2008
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May 28, 2008
8:31 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
"Evie Hudak, a member of the Colorado State Board of Education, said she’d been waiting all her life to hear a speech by a presidential candidate that zeroed in on what is most important about education. “It was inspiring,” said Hudak, who is running for state Senate. “At times it brought tears to my eyes.
“To hear a presidential candidate talk about the importance of teachers, and their needing to be paid like the professionals they are ...I’ve been waiting to hear a speech like that.'"
Evie is an idiot that shouldn't be allowed within 5 miles of a child.
What kind of moron thinks they've never heard a politician use speeches to praise 'teachers'? Morons like Evie.
What kind of moron thinks that a politician promising to pay teachers more is a first time event in history? Morons like Evie.
What kind of moron thinks that a politician has never before said that teachers are "important"? Morons like Evie.
Gullible morons like Evie should stick to what they know... swallowing whatever politicians slide to them.... since the morons fail to realize when they've been conned by a politician making empty promises about "education".
May 28, 2008
8:31 p.m.
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May 28, 2008
9:37 p.m.
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bluecollarbytes writes:
Think Globally, Speak triangularly. Keep your thermostat to an internationally-approved
level at a maximum, while adjusting lower as the boonies you live in allows. Scrap your SUVs, or at least stick Hybrid stickers on them. And as always, take only what you need, what you could live on if you were stuck in the third world. And and...MEAT! Yeah, meat is like really bad. Between the CowGass and the feed, it takes, feed that could go to the third world, well...let's just say that Meat is really bad. And...Pizza, what must the world think of us eating Meats and melted cheeses on a hot crispy yet chewy crust being delivered to our doors by polluting oil-addicted vehicles? If we think we can just do what we want, and that The World will be OK with that, well, it's really bad.
May 28, 2008
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May 29, 2008
7:22 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
Apparently, someone was delete happy last night. I said nothing offensive in my remarks.
May 29, 2008
8:39 a.m.
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happymike44 writes:
Heidi
More like you were to close to the truth to suit some people.I wrote a comment about the third world invading us and a immigrant loving poster pulled it.So it is not only you that gets it up the bum.So to all bo lovers I can smell your birkenstock wearing feet from over here.Get a shower and wake up before your children become the drug cartels slaves.Because all those nice people would love to destroy us.That is he thanks you get for being a super power.So remember charity begins at home.So how about taking care of the homeless people and pets in the United States.I am sure the charities could use the funds.LIFE is not feeding the whole ungreatful world only to grow up hating us.So lets stop feeding these morons and causing us nothing but grief.
May 29, 2008
8:41 a.m.
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davies writes:
I was wondering if Obama had brought out some unladylike behavior in you.
May 29, 2008
10:01 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
What I said was: "Wow, you guys are still at it?" And told Hook that he must have a splitting headache.
I guess that was off topic.
May 29, 2008
10:05 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
davies,
Obama does nothing for me.
May 29, 2008
10:20 a.m.
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Oh_Wise_One writes:
LOL at the deleted comments, the site staff have been busy.
May 29, 2008
4:38 p.m.
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mrNiceGuy writes:
Buck the system! Use your right and cast a no confidence vote, we have no confidence any of these three can lead our nation. None of these candidates represent a strong, successful and powerful nation. We don't want A, B or C - we want none of the above - back to the drawing board!
Oh yeah, we are stuck either voting for one of these strategically selected people to be the new puppet to will rule the free world. Hurts the brain!!!!
May 29, 2008
6:32 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
mrNiceGuy, I'm with you.