Obama starts search for VP
Associated Press
Originally published 07:28 a.m., May 22, 2008
Updated 02:56 p.m., May 22, 2008
WASHINGTON — Likely Democratic nominee Barack Obama has begun a top-secret search for a running mate, fresh signs that the general election campaign is well under way and the primary race against Hillary Rodham Clinton is basically over.
Obama has asked former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson to begin vetting potential vice presidential picks, Democratic officials said today. Johnson did the same job for Democratic nominees John Kerry in 2004 and Walter Mondale in 1984.
Obama refused to acknowledge Johnson's role when The Associated Press asked the Illinois senator about it in the Capitol today.
"I haven't hired him. He's not on retainer. I'm not paying him any money. He is a friend of mine. I know him," Obama said. "I am not commenting on vice presidential matters because I have not won this nomination."
The Democratic officials spoke on a condition of anonymity about a process that the campaign wants to keep quiet.
Vice presidential searches are usually closely held secrets, but Obama campaign officials say the effort is being handled by a particularly tight circle of advisers.
The campaign did not want to discuss the effort because they are still engaged in a fading primary campaign against Hillary Rodham Clinton, with three primaries left in Puerto Rico, South Dakota and Montana. The voting ends June 3. Obama has repeatedly declined to discuss possible running mates while the primary is ongoing.
"We're not commenting about this process," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.
But they are taking behind-the-scenes steps to move toward the general election campaign, with just 61 delegates needed to clinch the nomination according to the latest Associated Press count.
Obama has 1,965 delegates to Clinton's 1,780, with 2,026 required to secure the party's nod under Democratic National Committee rules.
The Obama campaign is rapidly adding to its campaign staff, both at the headquarters and in general election swing states. Obama has been traveling to some of those battlegrounds — Missouri, Michigan, Iowa and Florida in the last nine days — while the campaign is registering voters across the country for the November vote. And top Obama organizer Paul Tewes is in discussions to take over the Democratic National Committee.
It's all part of an effort to lay the groundwork for an aggressive kickoff to a general election campaign. Republican John McCain has a head start and has been building his effort for several months since the GOP primary race wrapped up in early March.
McCain is hosting at least three Republicans mentioned as potential vice presidential running mates at his Sedona, Ariz., home this weekend — Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, Louisiana Gov.
Bobby Jindal and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. A top aide said it's a social event with more than two dozen guests not meant for veep vetting.
Obama's campaign refused to talk about who was being considered, but some in the party are calling for him to pick Clinton. Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said Thursday, "There have been no discussions with the Obama campaign about Senator Clinton being the V.P." Other possible options are governors such as Arizona's Janet Napolitano, Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas and Tim Kaine of Virginia; foreign policy experts like former Georgia Sen. Sam Nunn, Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd or Delaware Sen. Joe Biden; or other senators such as Missouri's Claire McCaskill and Virginia's Jim Webb.
He could look outside the party to people such as war critic and Nebraska Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel or independent New York mayor Mike Bloomberg. Or he could look to one of his early prominent supporters such as former Sen. Tom Daschle of South Dakota or 2004 vice presidential nominee John Edwards. Or he could try to bring on a Clinton supporter like Indiana's Evan Bayh.
Johnson's role running the veep process was first reported on TheAtlantic.com.
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May 22, 2008
7:42 a.m.
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T1anda writes:
George Soros would be perfect!!!
May 22, 2008
7:50 a.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
He he will STOP calling and bugging me about this... I will do it! sheeesh.
Enough already.
I already had to turn McCain down and I kinda like the old guy.
May 22, 2008
8 a.m.
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samsmargolis writes:
Let's see....who would his wife be proud of? Jane Fonda! Anti-American, anti-war, female and endorsed Obama...perfect. The wife will love her! 'Cept for the whole political inexperience thing. Obama needs some help there. Although Jane does have more foreign policy experience than Obama at this point and she does sympathize with the enemy; so, she's at least cleared that Obama selection hurdle.
What is his mentor and spiritual counselor Reverend Wright suggest? Al Sharpton? Nah, can't count on him being out of jail if something happens to the potus. Louis Farrakhan? Nah...he lives in an affluent neighborhood and B-HO is trying to not look too elitist.
Wow. This is going to be tough.
May 22, 2008
8:13 a.m.
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May 22, 2008
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May 22, 2008
8:22 a.m.
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Froward69 writes:
who would rev. John Hagee prefer for mcSame? humm He likes Hitler but he is dead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JRb8Z...
then again, with republicans recent track record. The VP has been already been chosen to run things behind the scenes like cheney does with bush, and bush sr did with reagan.
May 22, 2008
8:31 a.m.
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Butterfly writes:
Oh my God - McCain's not wearing a flag pin here...
http://www.politicalbase.com/people/j...
or here...
http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/ware...
or here!
http://www.politicalbase.com/people/j...
He must be a terrorist! Terrorist!
Hey somebunny...why don't you try to NOT be a complete idiot. I know you probably have a hard time understanding complicated policy discussions about real problems in this country such as the war, economy, gas prices, the falling dollar, etc., but at least try, ok? I know, I know, flag pins are really important to wear, especially for jingoistic draft dodgers like Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh. You'd better be wearing one RIGHT NOW, somebunny, or I'm going to call the right-wing patriot police on you...
May 22, 2008
8:31 a.m.
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crbowles writes:
Some bunny loves you, but I guarantee it won't be about 2/3rds of Americans. That kind of vitriolic, holier than thou, our way or the highway, might is right talk is what got America in the mess it's in! No bunny loves us! Ignorance is not a position of strength...and neither is wearing a cheap trinket on your lapel. There is not an ounce of Islamic extremism in Obama, but I am detecting some extremism (dare I say fear?) in the positions of those who would keep us at war with the whole Arab world rather than a small minority of them that WE supported once upon a time.
Does this put me in the forefront for VP?
May 22, 2008
8:32 a.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
One administration is a 'track record'?
So your saying when Ron was in office, Daddy Bush was in charge?
And when Daddy Bush was in charge.... I shiver.
Just asking.
May 22, 2008
8:33 a.m.
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maukaman writes:
How about a well respected US Senator, moderate but with a definite liberal voting record, outstanding military background, favors amnesty for illegals, likes campaign finance law, etc. Sounds perfect and his name is McCain.
May 22, 2008
8:54 a.m.
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freethought writes:
I find it almost offensive that the lapel pin (more than likely a foreign made product) is playing such an important role in this primary. I honestly believe that you can be patriotic without waving the flag and slapping your heart.
In my view. people who are still driving around with Bush/Cheney bumper stickers are parading their stupidity. I certainly would have gotten rid of it by now if I ever were to have had one.
I agree with froward that the forces are active in selecting a puppetmaster for McCain. Is Condi still in the running?
May 22, 2008
9:15 a.m.
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SASQUATCH writes:
Karl Marx is dead, Lenin is in a tomb and Castro is deadly sick. Looks like BO's short list is MIA.
May 22, 2008
9:19 a.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
Summary of Conservative Priorities
1. Candidate should follow dress code which includes flag lapel pin.
2. Candidate should be isolationist but eager to kill millions of people in other countries around the globe.
3. Spiritual advisor to candidate is not allowed to criticize America even if he's a veteran. But spiritual advisor is allowed to say that the American people deserve to suffer a variety of catastrophes such as terrorist attacks and hurricanes because they're not up for jailing and murdering gays or other non-conforming types. These catastrophes are presumably done by the hand of a loving and compassionate God.
May 22, 2008
9:24 a.m.
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Spencer writes:
Chuck Hagel or Wesley Clark. Couple of veterans who immediately recognized the fiasco in Iraq as just some neo-con exercise to loot the Treasury. They both understand the value of soldiers.
May 22, 2008
9:27 a.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
"In my view. people who are still driving around with Bush/Cheney bumper stickers are parading their stupidity. I certainly would have gotten rid of it by now if I ever were to have had one."
So that would include the Gore and Kerry stickers I still see all over the place? I guess the idiots are everywhere...
May 22, 2008
9:34 a.m.
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P_Denver writes:
jay -- did you put your name in the hat?
May 22, 2008
9:39 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Obama and Richardson (NM) sounds good to me.....
May 22, 2008
9:45 a.m.
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JTTAAB writes:
Teddy K ?
May 22, 2008
9:46 a.m.
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kirbysfriend22 writes:
With a name like McCain, maybe he's in the IRA. Terrorist? I mean, if that's the game we're going to play here.
May 22, 2008
9:48 a.m.
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samsmargolis writes:
Yeah, let's go with Richardson...or any of his friends recently entering the US:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/0564...
May 22, 2008
10:17 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
samsmargolis and SASQUATCH
I think you two are late for a Klain meeting.
May 22, 2008
10:44 a.m.
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Earl writes:
dnever dan speaking of the klan maybe bo could ask robert byrd. his old crowd would be really proud of him then.
May 22, 2008
10:45 a.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
Because they have an issue with someone being here ILLEGALLY.. they are Klan members? Or is Klain someone that is a super racist I have not hear of?
Please explain your point, DenverDan.
May 22, 2008
10:56 a.m.
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jacka writes:
Hugo Chavez he's your man, if Obama can't nationalize it, Hugo can.
May 22, 2008
11:07 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
How is Gov Richardson here Illegally you dork.
May 22, 2008
11:07 a.m.
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samsmargolis writes:
MarineGrunt - come to find out, I'm late for a network consulting group meeting. Who knew? http://www.klain.net/
And here I just thought if they were looking for hispanics from the southwest that video might help. No good deed goes unpunished, I suppose. Well, I'm off for my network consulting meeting - no clue what the agenda might be. Hoping DenverDan texts that to us soonest.
Jane Fonda for VP!
May 22, 2008
11:21 a.m.
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freethought writes:
I would have supported Jane Fonda for Vice President right up until she found religion again, I liked her better as an atheist. Now that she has re-upped her birth process only shows her as a flip-flopper.
May 22, 2008
11:26 a.m.
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SPUD writes:
Ted had it right--Obama and Osama!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APx2YJ...
May 22, 2008
11:50 a.m.
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freethought writes:
NotChasB, Jane is just like you, a born-again xtian. She divorced her atheistic Ted Turner and found her evangelistic god. Sorry.
May 22, 2008
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May 22, 2008
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somebunnyluvsme writes:
Goodness the world is about to be thrown off of its axis by all of the left leaning liberals coming out to play. I sincerely hope and pray that Mr. Osama Boma receives the nomination. The high ideals of all Democrats will be well placed. Let's see here, he could pick up the endorsement of that super delegate out in California. Here we have a guy with the highest standards of any liberal Democrat that I have seen in years. Lets see now, what was his price? OH YA, that's right, $1,000,000.00. Child's play for your boy to come up with such a paltry sum. Now if we could just add some balance to the ticket here. I know, Ward Churchill is still looking for work. He has just the needed amount of right leaning characteristic to add credibility, and a real flair for patriotism. He would round out the flock nicely. You gotta luv them Dems, they always seem to find just the person to answer the call in times of trouble. I want to wish you all well, and express my deepest appreciation to you folks for Choosing Denver for your convention. I certainly needed the money, and hey, who doesn't like a good party. Just try and keep Bill away from the girls out on Eat Colfax. He is bound a determined to prove what flies in the face of medical science; that you can get sex from aids. As they say in the fight game, "your boy has a credibility problem." Hey but so what, so does your Girl! OH yes, and just so there is no misunderstanding here, the use of the word boy, has nothing to do with Mr. Obama being a person of color. I would love to see a black man that was qualified for the job elected President of the United States of America. You just need to find a man who hasn't made disparaging remarks about our flag. It tends to piss off the folks who love our country, you know, the rank and file!!
May 22, 2008
12:17 p.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
Ever seen anyone from Buddhism or Hinduism kill 10,000's of people over some 'holy ground'? Own the largest land tracks in the world and still allow people to starve in Africa and other parts of the world? Hide Nazi going's on during WWII? Shall I continue...?
"And if you move the N and the T in Santa... what do you get, hrmmm? Satan!"
May 22, 2008
12:25 p.m.
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jay writes:
can someone get bunny a valium and an education?
I still like Richardson, Wesley Clark and Joe Biden, but not necessarily in that order. I believe Hillary would make a great vp but I don't think she'll accept. Edwards is well spoken and difficult to defame, but this would be his second run at vp...might kick him off the island for that. I like Chuck Hagel for VP. He's a moderate republican who could pull in a lot of votes from the middle of the pack. Interesting dilemma O has on his hands here. At least he has some good folks from which to choose. I fear McCain will cater to the far right religious fundamentalists and choose a bigot like Huckabee or Romney. I think he has to send a message to Mt. CrazyDobson that he's going to kneel at the alter of extremism in order to get the superstitious vote.
we'll see.
interesting times to be a political animal.
May 22, 2008
12:33 p.m.
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vudumom writes:
NotChasB, funny you should mention Marion Barry. I lived outside D.C. when he got caught( the bitch set me up) smoking crack. I don't think the great speaker Obama would approve of Marion Barry's speaking skills.This probably never made it in the national news but after he did his prison time Marion( the bitch set me up)Barry was at a protest in Washington that had to do with the violence that was and is still going on in the city. Of course he's not afraid of a camera or stating his opinion. Here is what he said quote, " I'm here to express my upsetness". Take his name off the list.
May 22, 2008
12:36 p.m.
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JSeifert writes:
Must suck for him to talk to Iran on the sly like that.
May 22, 2008
12:38 p.m.
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IhearttheBillofRights writes:
I agree with DenverDan. Richardson would be a great running mate. Smart, charismatic, respected internationally, and has experience. Saying he would open up the borders is ignorance. He would probably help our foreign policy since he already has a a long standing relationship with other countries.
As far as all the name calling and assuming Obama is a 'towlhead' in truth he is a Protestant, which is Chrsitian if you don't know that.
Also, as far as ministers and spiritual advisors, how about a bigot at that positions like John McCain just asked to endorse him. Now, if McCain gets voted in, we might as well ask for another terrorist attack.
We need a better foreign policy and a better policy for our people in the US of A.
Also, take into account our general freedoms granted us by the Bill of Rights. Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion(even Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and any other 'name it and claim it ministries).
I believe in our country and that's why I'm voting for Obama. To get our country on the right track and hopefully get us out of this recession/depression. Remember, when Bush Jr. took office the US had the biggest economic surplus ever and in one term he made it the biggest deficit ever. Not to mention made us one of the most hated countries in the world when we used to be one of the most loved. We were built on helping other countries, no we're built on bombing other contries and condemning them because of their religion and beliefs. Not wonder they hate us.
One more thing, as far as immigration, remember this. Unless you are a Native American someone in your family immigrated here so YOU could have a better life.
May 22, 2008
12:39 p.m.
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SASQUATCH writes:
FITS RIGHT IN AND ALSO LOOKS LIKE OBAMA T-SHIRT!
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/photos/unc...
May 22, 2008
12:39 p.m.
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somebunnyluvsme writes:
Now your reaching Jay. Be careful, that reach has already out stretched your ability to stick to, and support the facts. Well that is what you folks do though; isn't it? Common now, I expected at least something worthy of ignoring. I guess this is representative of your party.
May 22, 2008
12:43 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
IhearttheBillofRights
That was outstanding!
People on the right dont grasp that kind of thinking. They care about pins on a coat.
May 22, 2008
12:53 p.m.
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somebunnyluvsme writes:
Hey Dan, It has a whole lot less to do with a pin on a coat, then it does with the reason for not wearing one. The person who ultimately holds the office, should love and respect what that flag stands for, and be more concerned with the fact that good men, and women have died defending those principles, then what a bunch of American hating Palestinians think. I remember them dancing in the streets and celebrating, when the world trade center was attacked. These are the people that Obama cares about. Not the good Americans who have fought and died to keep us free. You might want to take an Arabic language course, just in case this country has totally lost it's mind, and the turn coat is elected!
May 22, 2008
1:09 p.m.
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IhearttheBillofRights writes:
Out of curiosity, where do you get the idea that Obama does not care about Americans and all he cares about are Arabs?
I missed that in all the interviews and the speeches.
When you can prove that to me, I'll believe it, but if you don't have solid proof, please don't be plugging heresay and rumors.
Pleae remember that the reason we have 1,000's of good soldiers and Americans that have passed on fighting for the 'liberation of Iraq' was because our current 'Leader' lied to us and spread rumors about Weapons of Mass Destruction. People in his administration even later admitted that there was never any proof that there were WMDs in Iraq.
So don't spread rumors and a lot of BS when you have no facts to back up your argument. Like my name says, I love the Bill of Rights, I love our Freedoms and our Freedom of Speech. I respect you have an opinion, but I would like your attacks to be based in fact than on what you're opinion is or what one of your buddies said, or just because his name rhymes with Osama?
I promise I will do the same.
May 22, 2008
1:10 p.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
It would have been interesting if candidates' wives were a big deal when Abraham Lincoln was elected.
About half of Mary Todd's family joined the Confederacy.
Mary also suffered from depression. She sometimes had to be hidden away from people because she wasn't rational.
Abraham Lincoln had the most difficult career of any president in US history. Yet, he was a success. It would be difficult to find another of his time that could have kept the Union together the way he did.
History shows that using a "First Lady" criterion could end up destroying the United States of America. The First Lady does not run the country. She plans dinner parties and, at most, may perform other duties that are delegated to her by the president if she wants to. Same goes for any potential "First Husband".
If you think that the spouse of the candidate is important, then reason suggests that you want to support Hillary Clinton. Bill Clinton was a brilliant success despite relentless Congressional opposition and distractions. His experience with balancing the budget is sorely needed now that Bush and his cronies have robbed the treasury and run us into debt.
May 22, 2008
1:15 p.m.
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IhearttheBillofRights writes:
Well, put HolierThanThou. If that is true I would vote or Hillary. As you put it, our budget really needs it.
May 22, 2008
1:21 p.m.
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KP13 writes:
Well i tall yu What, budee budee budee this Obama Charater sure sounds a lot like a one of them dag gum terrista folks....
Does the all mighty wear a go heaven pin on his robe?
There is some real genious being spewed on this blog!
LOL thanks for the laughs fella's
May 22, 2008
1:26 p.m.
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somebunnyluvsme writes:
Ihartthebill of rights, When Mr Obama was asked why he did not wear the flag on his lapel, or place his hand on his hart when the pledge of allegiance was recited, as do all the other representatives, he stated that the Palestinians see the flag as a symbol of repression, and he didn't want to offend any of them. His words my friend, not mine. The fact that we are in Iraq, doesn't bother me at all, and besides, George Bush, God bless him!!! isn't running against Mr. Obama. Thank you for you well thought out and intelligent response. I also respect, and would die for your right to your opinion. I am sorry that I can not offer a link to the interview when Mr. Obama made his infamous response about our flag, but I believe that it will be a major point in the Republican strategy to defame him, so it will be reprinted. I wonder if the bullet is still in the poor guys foot?
May 22, 2008
1:28 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Rev Wright, Pins on coat. If this is what you vote on. I understand why you all on the right voted for bush twice.
All BS so they dont have to talk about real issues. It is sad this is how the media on right has to work. Lets go after his wife, sad!!!!
May 22, 2008
1:40 p.m.
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jay writes:
chasb...is mccain not a christian either, by your logic? both hagee and parsley promote hate and bigotry...are they the "right" kind or are you going to use the same logic to state that he, like obama, again...according to you...is not a "christian".
May 22, 2008
1:41 p.m.
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somebunnyluvsme writes:
Hey TK13, your of course referring to all them thar dagum terrorist that somehow magically do not exist right?? Dude please get a grip on reality, and then try to be funny!
May 22, 2008
1:47 p.m.
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mytwosense writes:
I'm not a fan of Biden, although he has made some thought-provoking suggestions about the war in Iraq.
But I gotta say...whenever I've heard him speak...he just comes across as a bit of a grandstander. He's a bit too "politician-y" for my liking.
I wish Obama would pick Dennis Kucinich as his VP, but yeah, I realize America completely misunderstands the man thanks to the media lampooning a few soundbites. But he's smart as a whip, and most of all, the man CANNOT BE BOUGHT.
I also think his idea for a Department of Peace is wonderful.
But, seems like the media thinks peace is a hilarious idea, too, based on the way they characterize advocating such a department is a political liability somehow.
May 22, 2008
2:02 p.m.
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IhearttheBillofRights writes:
Somebunnyluvsme,
I would love for the Republicans to reprint that speech and use it as their strategy. Not only would it look bad on the Republicans, but Senator Obama would easily be able to sue them on the grounds of defamation and libel.
Again, please research your facts before sending out libel of your own. Notice that the part where it is claimed the 'Obama sees the flag as a symbol of oppression(not repression)' originated from a conservative political columnist John Semmens.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/...
Also, here's another response from Senator Obama. Look at the other videos of him reciting the Pledge of Allegience with his hand OVER HIS HEART. Please also notice that he introduces the Chaplain to open the floor of the Senate with Prayer.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/...
I would like to thank for actually speaking with me and not just attacking. I respect open discussion on this stuff but not blind attacks.
May 22, 2008
2:10 p.m.
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somebunnyluvsme writes:
Ihart you are certainly welcome, and I will research the links that you sent me. I am sure we will talk later, this is going too be a long campaign!
May 22, 2008
2:16 p.m.
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RickyLee writes:
Ted Kennedy for VP!!!!!!!!!!!
May 22, 2008
2:21 p.m.
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vudumom writes:
ANYONE who is dismissing Michelle Obama as not a factor in this presidential outcome, (if Obama wins) has never been around or friends with or seen an angry black woman. That would exclude the majority of Coloradoans because there is not a huge population of blacks in Colorado. I grew up in the East and have many black friends and grew up around black people. It was almost a year before I saw a black person after I moved here to Colorado. So unless you know more about the black culture which is different than white culture, people do not understand how much power a black woman will have in the everyday life of her husband. We have already seen just a small part of the way she will act. You ain't seen nothing yet!
May 22, 2008
2:26 p.m.
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jay writes:
"It was almost a year before I saw a black person after I moved here to Colorado."
???
how often do they let you off the compound grounds for supplies?
May 22, 2008
2:33 p.m.
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IhearttheBillofRights writes:
NotChasB...
Again, our great country was based on some very essential freedoms and one of those was Freedom of Religion. I respect your stance, even though I don't agree with it. Please respect other people's beliefs. I believe that Christ was a loving God, not one that hated other people. Yes, he did say 'Woe unto those who call good evil and evil good'. He didn't say let's go kill everyone because they don't believe in me. If you believe we need to rid the world of non-Christians for the good of Christ, then I think you should look in the mirror and repeat to yourself "Woe unto those who call good evil and evil good".
Should it not be God's decision, not ours, on who makes it into the Realm of Heaven. When their judgement day comes and they have been worshiping false gods, do you not believe that Christ will do what he deems necessary? We should leave the final judgement to Him and let others believe what they wish.
I believe it is how you live your life that will get you into Heaven, and hatred, bigotry and bad-wishing upon others is not the Way of Christ.
May 22, 2008
2:45 p.m.
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KP13 writes:
Heres some reality somebunny....
this country is falling apart at the seems because of the republican party and the bush regime!
if you base your thoughts off of wearing a pin you are slow! crawl back to the 1840 hole you came from.
"Towel head" hmmm I bet nobody gets offended by that term. The KKK will call you soon, don't worry.
I thought you would die for my right to my opinion?
And the God Bless george Bush, now that is Funny!
May 22, 2008
3:12 p.m.
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IhearttheBillofRights writes:
NotChasB,
Thank you for deliberately ignoring my previous posts and attacking me personally instead of having a civilize discussion. I'm not sure what you mean by True Christian, but if you are attacking other people, being self-righteous and believe all non-True Christians need to be dealt with, than I'm sure I would NOT want to be one of 'your True Christians'.
Like I said before, I do believe in God, which by definition does not make me an atheist. I believe in a loving and caring God. One that does not punish, one that offers forgiveness and one that wants the best for all his people. If that doesn't make me a True Christian, than I guess I am not.
As far as not calling me a real American, I am very offended. I guarantee my family has been Real Americans longer than yourself. I also have a Grandfather that fought in WWII and a father that fought in Vietnam, just in case your thought of a real American has to do with Military service.
The Bill of Rights is very dear to me and I thoroughly believe in it. I do not give it lip service, but I stand by it as one of the founding documents our great country was created by. That is why I defend it and bring up it's great points. Our forefathers had foresight our current administration truly lacks.
If I am an amateur in the Word and you are an expert, please enlighten me and show me the Way. For your information, I am not speaking in vain, I am speaking for a love of all Americans and the United States of America.
I do not know how any of those facts make me what you state I am.
May 22, 2008
3:53 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
The freaks on the right need to think about Mcshames running mate?
I guess they are more afraid of Omamas wife.
May 22, 2008
4:04 p.m.
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SASQUATCH writes:
Well, Obama, have you found him yet?
http://media.portland.indymedia.org/i...
May 22, 2008
4:10 p.m.
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jay writes:
"If you have liberal beliefs then you do not love america because the left is working overtime to destroy the America the founding fathers left us."---obsessedwithcharlesb
seriously...where do you guys come up with this stuff?
May 22, 2008
4:47 p.m.
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Butterfly writes:
NotChasB reminds me of why I stopped being a Christian.
May 22, 2008
4:48 p.m.
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jay writes:
"Why does the truth bother you more than half-truths and lies?"
this is a strawman argument, obsessed.
May 22, 2008
5:58 p.m.
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GetReal writes:
How about the non-partisan and completely neutral "newsman" Chris "Tingle Up My Leg" Matthews?
May 23, 2008
9:45 a.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
"It is our duty to tell people they are going to hell if they do not repent or God will hold us accountable. Even John the Babtist said this to he Herod Antipas when he condemned him for taking his brothers wife."
I would have thought being a Vet you would have known you were protecting ALL Americans and their right to have Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness? Do you have to have god to make that work? Do you have to shove your ideas and thoughts down others throat before you make it to sky fairy central? You sure make it seem that way..
So, continue to push your will and ideas on other and you can continue to watch the ranks of your church shrink!! Your only doing it to yourselves.
ALSO, thank you addressing the Land ownership and Nazi questions below. It's a lot easier to have an argument when you skirt around the facts, huh?
Why was it your god allowed children to stave to death in Somalia, Ivory Coast and Jordan in front of our eyes? Was it because they did not worship him enough? Is he mad at them? Maybe teaching them a lesson for not giving the $10 a month they make to the church? Any chance you can talk to these points or would it be easier to skirt them again?
May 23, 2008
12:01 p.m.
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MGD writes:
Anyone know the deal on Obama and NAFTA?