Preacher tries to defuse tension after Crips founder's killing
By John C. Ensslin, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Originally published 09:00 p.m., May 19, 2008
Updated 08:40 a.m., May 20, 2008
Asberry was angry, even had an angry smile, ex-cop says.
Anti-gang activist Rev. Leon Kelly finds himself in a difficult but familiar position this week, trying to ease tensions between rival gangs after the shooting death Saturday of Denver Crips co-founder Michael Asberry.
"I'm still defusing things," Kelly said. "There's tension between the two groups right now."
On Monday, Aurora police confirmed Asberry, 38, was the man gunned down Saturday morning in front of an apartment building in the 15400 block of East 13th Avenue.
Detectives have carried out search warrants at two apartments and continue to interview witnesses, police spokeswoman Shannon Lucy said.
But they had no information on a suspect and declined to release details. "The motive isn't totally established," Lucy said.
Kelly, director of Open Door Youth Gang Alternatives, said the shooting occurred not far from where Asberry's sister lives.
"He was over there, and certain things happened," Kelly said. "He was just over there to deal with some issues."
While reluctant to discuss details of the shooting, Kelly said he believes the rival Bloods gang was not involved.
Kelly said he is working with Asberry's family to arrange a funeral service. Asberry's death by gunfire saddened but did not surprise a former Denver police officer who knew Asberry as a teenager.
"I can't say I was surprised," said David Dawkins, a retired officer and one of the first in the department to recognize Denver's emerging gang problem in the mid-1980s.
"It's kind of sad," Dawkins said. "Michael had some opportunities that people had given him to do better with his life, and he never took advantage of them."
Asberry served a six-year prison sentence after he pleaded guilty to a May 1995 assault on a Denver police officer who had pulled him over on a traffic stop.
Kelly, who described Asberry as being "like a little brother," said he does not wish to minimize the harm that Asberry did during his years with the Crips. But he said Asberry also helped in efforts to convince others not to join gangs.
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May 20, 2008
4:38 a.m.
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happymike44 writes:
The way this is written it seems like they want to make a hero out of this piece of scum.He brought nothing but agony and misery upon society.He is the reason why some neighborhoods all across America are full of gang bangers.May him and people like him burn in a place of a thousand suns and endless daylight.May him and people like him suffer for the horror they released upon america.May his family suffer in agony over this p.o.s. and for not stopping him from the terror he inflicted in his lifetime.Don't tell me it was his civil rights to go around murdering and selling crack.Because there are plenty of good honest people of color.Who manage to live a honest decent god fearing life.Love the part where he got religion and turned his life around.Don't believe it.Because once in a gang always in a gang.They are like the mob you only get out when you die.
May 20, 2008
5:58 a.m.
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Vector049 writes:
Who cares. This is news worthy?
May 20, 2008
6:49 a.m.
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joeblow writes:
Whoa, there Happymike. You need to change your name to, uh, uh, how 'bout something like Giddymike.
May 20, 2008
7:02 a.m.
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fiesty writes:
Death, even of someone you find rehensible, should never be something to celebrate or be happy about. Yes, take satisfaction or closure in justice (if appropriate), but don't demean yourself by such attitudes. To take glee in it is just as twisted as the actions you are condemning.
May 20, 2008
7:18 a.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
Karma?
I do believe so...
May 20, 2008
7:20 a.m.
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becket writes:
Everyone dies, this guy chose to go early. Who cares. Can't wait for the next one to go.
May 20, 2008
7:21 a.m.
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Classof80 writes:
Being a former Police Officer just one less banger off the streets. The problem is there are a 100 to fill his shoes. The gang problem in the metro area is getting out of control and I wouldn't be surprised to see things escalate for a bit. Even if the Bloods had nothing to do with it. Each gang will use this as an excuse to attack one another.
May 20, 2008
7:24 a.m.
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Finding_Forever writes:
READY...SET...GO! Let's see how many people that comment on this story actually understand and know what they are talking about. Probably only a handfull will, the rest will be suburban folk poppin off at the mouth, praising the death of another black man.
May 20, 2008
7:33 a.m.
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jacka writes:
OGD sells papers - so how many did he kill, maim, rob, rape, etc...
May 20, 2008
7:40 a.m.
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artstarzz writes:
There is a gang mentality in this country . The gang is The Haters . Their color is yellow . Vote Obama for a change . Look at what the Philly cops did . Now thats a gang mentality . Serve and Protect .Right .
May 20, 2008
7:43 a.m.
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NativeDenver writes:
What are you saying, artstarzz? That the cops kills Asberry? Or are you just generally airing your cop-hate?
May 20, 2008
8:11 a.m.
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Finding_Forever writes:
Hasslicher,
Its praising his death. I read RMN all the time so I see what kind of people like to spread their racist BS via the web. When there is a story about a Hispanic, good or bad, MOST of you always brings the issue of illegality into it and how "they should get sent back to where they're from." When there is a story about a Black person, good or bad, MOST of you are quick to say "they should get sent back to where they're from" or "good, another one gone how can we get more to join him?" The kind of hate that gets posted on these forums is disgusting. Yes, Cyc brought the Crips to Colorado, which has caused hundreds of deaths, but the "let em' kill each other" attitude people like HappyMike and several others portray is not the right one. Most of you are outsiders looking in and dont fully understand and know the impact Cyc's death will have on neighborhoods like Park Hill and the Eastside. Remember what happened to Broderick Bell in the early 90's? He was 5 years old when he got caught in the middle of of driveby and was shot in the head. I was born and raised in Park Hill and I am still a resident of Park Hill, I do not condone the gang mentality, but i recognize and understand it. Bullets do not have a name on them, so I am more so worried about all of the potential innocent victims that will get caught in the middle of the war thats rumored to take place because of Cyc's death and the burning of the Holly. Of course you outsiders dont care, Park Hill and the Eastside are predominately black communities so you don't care to understand what the bigger picture is and how this Cyc's death dramatically affects that. All you care about is that another black man is out of your hair.
May 20, 2008
8:19 a.m.
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tm3869 writes:
Happymike:
I am very good friends with the mother of one of his children. And although he may have been a p.o.s to you and you feel like,
"May his family suffer in agony over this p.o.s. and for not stopping him from the terror he inflicted in his lifetime."
Yu should know that his daughter had seizures and threw up repeatedly upon hearing of the news of her father's passing. She is a child, who of course could not control her father, and many of his other family and others did try to step in and offer assistance in many different ways. But in the end it was Michael's choice to live his life they way he lived it. So yes, live by the sword, die by the sword, but don't curse his children and family.
May 20, 2008
8:29 a.m.
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nobodyman writes:
I hate stupid thugs. Glad this one is gone. No apologies. End of story.
May 20, 2008
8:34 a.m.
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aja102604 writes:
You people are so ignorant. If you feel like this man's death isn't worthy for a story, or doesn't matter, than why are you writing comments? Have some compassion for his family who is in their time of grief... they are going to read your comments and it's going to hurt them, the inocent people who loved this man... Mind your buisness because you don't know how or why he lived the lifestyle that he did. Just continue to live yours, and remember that you arn't perfect, and you make mistakes and wrong decisions as well.... In my opinion you're all loser's who probably just sit around and whach gangs on TV, but if you really feel this strong about the matter of gangs in your community than get your lazy ass's up and do something about it... If you choose not to than your opinion about this situation doesn't matter...
May 20, 2008
8:36 a.m.
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Finding_Forever writes:
Chuck,
"Yet you want us to clean it up."
I didnt say anything about having you all clean it up. Im saying, keep your mouth shut if you all you're going to do is rant and rave over the net. As far as doing something about it, I am. I tutor a handful of kids at a nearby elementary school in the winter and a few times during the summer, I volunteer at the free lunch/ summer recreation program my old elementary school. It keeps the kids, esp. the young boys from being out in the streets and getting caught up in BS. I grew up in park hill during the '93 summer of violence, so ive seen first hand what can happen. I've lost friends, neighbors and classmates to gang violence so I recognize its magnitude and have decided to do something about it. Definitely not one of those MANY people that just sit behind a computer and complain about the woes of the world.
May 20, 2008
8:41 a.m.
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nobodyman writes:
"Im saying, keep your mouth shut if you all you're going to do is rant and rave over the net."
It's a discussion forum. We can all say whatever we want and express our opinions, even if you find them offensive. If you don't like it nobody is forcing you to read it. You're assertion that this is a discussion forum where we should not discuss is wrong.
As for compassion for this guy's family, how this person is viewed is a direct result of his own actions. His selfishness is why his family suffered. In short, why should I hold my tongue when he's the one who sucks?
May 20, 2008
8:42 a.m.
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bouche writes:
tm3869, i too am really good friends with this mother and i agree with you as for happy mike...... what you wish on others will turn back to you thats a promise, death in anyone is not to be celebrated, to alot of children he has saved them from going down this path because he walked it so if you dont know what you are speaking on then you cant voice an opinion that makes sense, the only ones these kids really listen to is those of us who have walked thru things and changed and can help others now, so with that being said he served his purpose and GOD said it is finished
May 20, 2008
8:48 a.m.
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denver_80247 writes:
Vote Obama for change? He is the same as Hillary and McCain, a corporate stooge who will put their interests before the people of the United States. They all preach that crap for your vote, one man cannot change anything. Our government is set up that way.
May 20, 2008
8:53 a.m.
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Boarder22 writes:
Finding_Forever: Seriously? Gonna blame all white people for this one too? Stop blaming white suburban people for all problems. White suburban people didn't make this guy become a menacing gang killer. He was garbage, he killed many people, he chose his path in life. Do you think he didn't know death was coming at some point for him? Stop blaming everyone else for not being upset that a killing thief is now off the streets. Forgive me for not being upset. I feel for his innocent children and family, it's not their fault.
May 20, 2008
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May 20, 2008
9:05 a.m.
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nobodyman writes:
It's pretty clear that the CLAW got ahold of this one. You know, that magical force that grabs what otherwise would be successful productive members of society and forces them to utilize "alternative means of survival." It's a shame when the CLAW takes someone like this for no reason. I'm sure if it weren't for the CLAW he'd have been a lawyer or accountant or something.
May 20, 2008
9:08 a.m.
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nayla34u writes:
My prayers go out to the family especially the children. They lost their father. He was trying to change even though it took many years to come to that point. God forgives all sins he you accept and ask for forgiveness and start walking in the right path. Stop being judge mental because death is no time to celebrate no matter what his past life was.
May 20, 2008
9:08 a.m.
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ColetteDD2 writes:
Unless and until family, friends and community are viewed as attractively and a source of pride as belonging to a gang, membership and thier victims (thier own families included) will continue to grow. I'm especially concerned about Asbury's daughter's emotional condition and I'm praying for her recovery.
Does it suck that Asbury had to risk getting arrested to attend his child's first communion? Absolutely. He had a TRO that legally forbade him from being in the area because of the violence surrounding gang members and thier colleagues. Asury had other choices. He could have arranged the party or visit where the TRO wouldn't have been violated. Instead he put his own convenience ahead of his child and family and the worst happened.
What confounds me is his family and neighbors knew about the TRO and didn't call the police or even threaten to call the police to make sure Asbury left the area; before there was an incident. They conscious decision put everyone's safety at risk. Whether that choice was made out of fear or kindness, they bear partial responsibility for the outcome as well.
Colette, Denver, CO
May 20, 2008
9:13 a.m.
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Finding_Forever writes:
Boarder,
You probably just skimmed my postings, because you missed my message entirely. Never once did I blame "white suburban people" for what happened. A man that makes excuses about why he couldnt make anything happen his way can only get pity, never respect. All I was saying was unless you have a proactive suggestion (besides them killing each other off) about how to combat the gang problem, your opinion doesnt count in my book. It's kind of like politics--your opinion doesnt count for much unless you actually go to the polls and vote.
May 20, 2008
9:15 a.m.
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tm3869 writes:
Colette,
You are confusing two different stories here. There was the killing in Montbello that you are confusing with Michael Asbury being killed in Aurora.
May 20, 2008
9:16 a.m.
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NativeDenver writes:
Collette, you've got your wires crossed. The guy who got shot at his daughter's communion is someone else.
May 20, 2008
9:19 a.m.
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Barron writes:
Re: "Who cares. This is news worthy?"
Well, you read the story, then took the time to comment. So obviously, though conflicted, you think so.
May 20, 2008
9:59 a.m.
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Dick_Tater writes:
1-2-3-4 I declare a gang war! All for it, let them kill each other off. This will reduce crime in the long run and save us tax money from having to incarcerate these idiots.
May 20, 2008
10:06 a.m.
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rmnreader writes:
I agree with MarineGrunt I think Karma won out over "god forgives all sinners" in this case.
No matter what color he was at least there is one more gang leader off the streets that the young ones will not have to look up to. Whether past present or future gang member his glory will fade - hopefully to be replaced with a strong positive role model.
I do feel for his kids though - the choices he made were not his kids choices - which unfortunately doesn't make their father's death hurt any less.
May 20, 2008
10:08 a.m.
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momof5 writes:
Everyone keeps talking about the pain the death of this man is causing his children. I'd like to know whether he was even taking care of his children or was he another "player" who fathered children with numerous women and then left them to be raised by the welfare system or single moms.
I'd also like to know where his father was when he was 12 and he joined a gang in the first place. Too many black fathers are abdicating their responsibilities as fathers and leaving their children to be raised by single moms or to raise themselves. Look at the number of young black males in prison. Look at the number who are killed by black on black violence.
If you want to change that, the first place to start is to teach these males some responsibility when they father a child. It doesn't take a village, it takes loving parents who are willing to put in the time and effort to be good parents. To teach their children right from wrong. To not have more children than you can afford to provide for.
I don't know what redeeming good qualities this guy had, if any. I would hope, though, that his kids had good memories of him to sustain them throughout their lives. And that they learn a lesson from how he lived and died.
May 20, 2008
10:10 a.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
He made a choice, he suffered the consequences. End of story.
BTDTGTTS.
May 20, 2008
10:12 a.m.
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gs writes:
thank you Leon Kelly
May 20, 2008
10:21 a.m.
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Shaggy writes:
What...Denver doesn't have a gang problem....At least that is what Hickenlooper told us....
Just another reason to avoid Denver like the plague.
May 20, 2008
10:22 a.m.
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Shaggy writes:
Opps...this was in Aurora...Denver's twin...not much difference
May 20, 2008
10:31 a.m.
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tm3869 writes:
momof5:
Fathers of all colors do the same thing. You should not generalize the whole lot of one race for the actions of a few.....
May 20, 2008
10:50 a.m.
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rocketryder writes:
Finding_forever is holding it down in here, and I agree with what he's saying. It's hilarious to see all these internet gangsters and bigots in here spewing their hatred though. The anonymity of cyberspace is great ain't it?
I just think that a lot of people cannot understand or believe the influence, and power this man had in the city of Denver. Like it or not, Asbury has, and will continue to shape the history of the city of Denver. So yeah, he was a thug. He was a gangster. He was a criminal. Yes he did wayyyyyy more harm than good during his time on this earth. But he was one of the TRUE sticks of dynamite in Denver, and was one of three people who had the power to hold the entire city hostage on command. Even in death, he has the city holding it's collective breath.
May 20, 2008
10:59 a.m.
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Finding_Forever writes:
Thanks Rocket, I'm a woman though. :o)
May 20, 2008
11:09 a.m.
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redwhiteandBLUE writes:
Finding & aja,
Don't let these posters get to you, they know nothing about Park Hill, don't know anything, except what they read and make an assumption on that. They really have no clue, it doesnt even effect their lives it's only what they read then they make a judgement off that.
Momof5..10:08 It's none of your business! Be concerned with your own five children!
May 20, 2008
11:18 a.m.
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sunshinestate writes:
Although Colorado's black population is relatively small( a selling point for some)what little there is has proven to be a liability.
May 20, 2008
11:19 a.m.
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Peace writes:
It is crazy how some people out here dont have a heart. We all have made bad choices in life and a person can change, it dont matter how old you may be or what you have done in your past. It dont really matter what you all think about Mike because only one person is to judge him and that is the good Lord. People are saying hatered things towards the black gangs but what about white people bombing schools is that okay. Alot of people on here never lived in poverty so you cant really speak on any situation unless you been there. I am sure the Columbine killer had both parents and didnt know the first thing about struggle. Pray for his family instead of wishing bad on them.
May 20, 2008
11:32 a.m.
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tm3869 writes:
Posted by sunshinestate on May 20, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Although Colorado's black population is relatively small( a selling point for some)what little there is has proven to be a liability.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself.......
May 20, 2008
11:33 a.m.
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rurude writes:
Finding & Rocket
Thanks for finding some good in a person as the rest of the clueless people couldn't. A person is still a person; no matter what they do in life. It is so hard on his family right now - I don't know any of his children but I know his siblings very well. It is too hard to even see them go through this. I too lived in Park Hill when Brodrick Bell was shot - actually I lived right across the street and seen a lot of the troubles in 1993. I lost a lot of friends and classmates as well. I can't say that I totally agree with the way that they do things but that doesn't mean that they should be condemned.
All black fathers don't run away from responsibility; my husband is a great father. I also wanted to say that if there were a possibility for any of the guys/girls that happen to be gang members their choices were not as broad as you think. I fought hard to graduate from high school (leaning on whomever I could to help me through it) as their wasn't many people with-in our school system who cared what we did. Our parents basically made little money to take care of us - I alway thought my mother's move to racist Colorado was a bad one - but she didn't lean on no welfare or help from the government to do it. My father didn't run away either (he died in a legal gang war Vietnam) and my mother got no help there as well.
We do love our community but with little options for the children what much can we do but our best.
Peace
May 20, 2008
11:34 a.m.
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tm3869 writes:
I work everyday, get no help from the state, and do not commit crimes, so therefore I am not a liability!!!!!!!!!!
May 20, 2008
11:36 a.m.
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Sejanus writes:
People probably have so many good things to say about him because of his personality - he may have been a sociopath, but to rise to the top of a criminal organization likely means he was very intelligent and charismatic. A piece of garbage, undoubtedly, but still with admirable qualities. Too bad he could only apply them to being a social parasite.
May 20, 2008
11:40 a.m.
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May 20, 2008
11:42 a.m.
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prayerfulone writes:
please folks preserve your judgement!! Only God can do that!! Although Mike had a trecherous past, he was a human being. Every one of us has the potential to do bad things!! Lie, cheat, steal, gamble, kill, ect.... Those of you whom are perfect, keep spewing your fifth, it makes you just as hateful as the persons you condemn.
May 20, 2008
11:43 a.m.
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OhBrother writes:
Posted by sunshinestate on May 20, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Although Colorado's black population is relatively small( a selling point for some)what little there is has proven to be a liability.
**see this what i'm talking about! What is this suposed to mean, should you round us all up and shoot us? Should we get deported? are white people or any other race a non liability? Taking this one situation and blaming an entire race won't help the problem
May 20, 2008
11:48 a.m.
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ONEman writes:
Man it never ceases to amaze me how disgusting people can be when it comes to blacks and hispanics on here. You can rationalize all you want but racist people speak a certain way and most of you sound that way. It does'nt take a genius to see this guy was'nt an angel. But only God is the true judge and by judging or becoming a hateful and cold person you only ensure you'll burn right next to him.
Happymike you should change your name there's nothing happy about you. your a scumbag also rejoice in death of anyone and wish bad for the family. It's ironic how stupid people can see the obvious bad in others but don't recognize the same devil when they look in the mirror.
Tell the truth, most white people feel perfectly comfortable thinking all blacks and hispanics are gangsters and thugs. And also feel that speaking ill of them is ok even if they never knew them. So obviously the RMN must always print the truth, right? LOL,They rarely get the facts, mostly heresay and opinions. But most of you morons are fine with putting your integrity in their hands. By turning on the nozzle and letting the dirty water flow. Do you know what a hypocrite is?
May 20, 2008
11:51 a.m.
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prayerfulone writes:
"Rev Kelly",
He always shows his face after the fact, where is he when he needs to be working?!!! I can't stand the fact that everytime a "gang" member dies, it's his face we see. He is not a spokesperson for anything of good. Get him out of the spotlight, he serves no purpose except to remind us of his lack of dedication then, and now.
May 20, 2008
11:52 a.m.
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rocketryder writes:
And as harsh as that was Sejanus, you are exactly right.
Like I said before, he was one of the most powerful men in Denver for years. Able to set off an entire war with a command. He was damn near untouchable. Even though he was easily found, was always seen in the streets, and was an easy target, bloods knew better not to touch him because of the violence and bloodshed that would follow. He would roll through PARK HILL and was given passes out of respect.
He was the only crip in the city of Denver that I made sure I steered clear of.
May 20, 2008
11:56 a.m.
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Cypher33 writes:
Well said ONEman!!
I also don't recall Mike ever being brought up on murder charges. He did bring a violent gang to Colorado, but these "gang bangers" are no worse than half of you Klans-men on here. Remember... race has nothing to do with it!! If that was the case, what about Eddie Haskel and Wally Cleaver shooting up Columbine?? Where were there parents. Hypocrites!!!!!
May 20, 2008
11:57 a.m.
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ONEman writes:
Posted by prayerfulone on May 20, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Rev Kelly",
He always shows his face after the fact, where is he when he needs to be working?!!! I can't stand the fact that everytime a "gang" member dies, it's his face we see. He is not a spokesperson for anything of good. Get him out of the spotlight, he serves no purpose except to remind us of his lack of dedication then, and now.
Spoken like a true idiot outsider who knows nothing of which they speak. Congrats you've succeeded in making an ass out of U by assuming.
May 20, 2008
11:59 a.m.
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Cypher33 writes:
True statements Prayerfulone and rocketryder!!
May 20, 2008
12:01 p.m.
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scottmo writes:
I read this guys daughter vomited and was sick when she heard the news of her daddys passing. That is truly too bad and I feel sorry about the little girl.
I wonder how many other little boys and girls have cried across the country when their innocent moms or dads were killed because of what this guys started years ago. Of course you dont hear about that on these pages.
What was the little girls mom thinking when she decided to procreate with the loser? Obviously she was too stupid to think of what could possibly happen to the family because of his gang ties.
May 20, 2008
12:03 p.m.
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prayerfulone writes:
sorry to offend you but, I am not an outsider and have known the man for years. why do you think there were other people and organizations trying to help our communities during the "summer of violence in 93? Think about that :)
May 20, 2008
12:04 p.m.
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indisbelief writes:
Rocket rider, get your head out of Assbury's A$$. He shaped the history of the city of Denver?!? Oh yeah, we all agree with that one!
May 20, 2008
12:07 p.m.
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JMac writes:
I grew up in Denver and remember the "legend" of Micheal Asberry. I lived in Montbello and his group controlled the area around Manual High School. If you look at the legacy of the Rollin 30's Crips he co-founded, you will see it far exceeds just the criminal aspect of the neighborhood.
If you know the neighborhood, you will find that because of his involvement, Manual High School suffered greatly during his "reign" as king of East Denver. Look at the graduation rates for the area. Especially for black males. I think the culmination of this, was the fact that in the early ninties Manual only graduated 10% or so of the black males that enrolled in the school. To me, this can be attributed to the Crip factor, the glamour that was perceived to be associated with the gangbangin lifestyle.
The Rev claims that Mike wanted to do the right thing but was held back by the system, that's complete BS. The reasons he couldn't get on the right path are because of two things in my opinion: 1. He's was psycopath, 2. He fell in love with his own press, the media played a huge role in making him the monster he is. This is evident with his story being on the front page. The media turned a petty criminal into an "Al Capone" like figure in East Denver. As his reputation grew so did his power. Now even in death his "legacy" continutes to command the attention of the so called Denver Media.
May 20, 2008
12:09 p.m.
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Cypher33 writes:
ONEman,
I will say this in Prayerfulone's defense. I work with youth, many who are gang members, and I went to the Rev for help with a couple, and he blew me off. I lost a lot of respect for him.. If he is going to assume the role as THE gang activist, then he should always make time for youth. His company is called Open Door Youth Gang Alternatives. I was closed out..
May 20, 2008
12:13 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
Ya he was the only crip ever and he started it all(sarcasm)
See the thing is that if you did'nt grow up in this enviornment then you really have no room to speak on it. It's easy to stand from afar and say I would never do that. But you've never had to mke that choice, so you don't know. Nobody aspires to become a gangster. This lifestyle can suck an unsuspecting youth with no guidance so fast. So while you don't care enough about why the individual was so lost and makes the choices they make, you don't care about helping, building or inspiring a change, then don't care enough to polute the world with anymore hate then there already is. If you don't get it , don't speak on it plain and simple.
May 20, 2008
12:14 p.m.
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Finding_Forever writes:
The only true one in the whole movement is Showbiz (Terrance Roberts), everyone else only tends to help when there is an opportunity for camera time.
May 20, 2008
12:14 p.m.
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Fred writes:
OneMan asks:
"Do you know what a hypocrite is?"
Why yes I do. You, sir, are the definition of a hypocrite.
You can't scream racism at someone and then make this statement:
"Tell the truth, most white people feel perfectly comfortable thinking all blacks and hispanics are gangsters and thugs. And also feel that speaking ill of them is ok even if they never knew them. "
The racist is starring you in the mirror.
White people don't belong to some group and have a collective thought. Strike one.
May 20, 2008
12:17 p.m.
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to cypher33,
you were not the only one turned away or whom lost respect. maybe ONEman got his needs met and I am happy for him if that is the case, however my personal opinion is that with the resources that "Rev" had available...... ? well, who knows?
May 20, 2008
12:19 p.m.
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rocketryder writes:
Indisbelief,
Just because you have no clue doesn't mean I don't.
Asberry DID shape some of the history of the city of Denver. He founded one of the most notorious, violent and destructive gangs in Denver. A gang that still is doing damage in the city to this day. Who do you think was one of the catalysts of the summer of '93? A summer that will ALWAYS be remembered as one of Denver's darkest hours. The only time IN MY LIFE where I constantly feared for my safety. It's no secret that the crips murdered Darrent Williams. Another of Denver's darkest hours.
And you say Asberry hasn't shaped the history of the city of Denver?
Indisbelief, when you actually know what you're talking about, please re-join the discussion.
May 20, 2008
12:19 p.m.
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Cypher33 writes:
Terrance crawled in the bed with the Rev when Darrent Williams was murdered... He helps for a fee now. He used to do a lot more when he was not for profit.
May 20, 2008
12:23 p.m.
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rocketryder writes:
And finding_forever is right. Biz is the only one that is doing it from his heart, and is on the job 24-7. He could care less about the press.
May 20, 2008
12:26 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
I also work with youth and Rev Kelly helped me out a little at the beginning. I agree he can be very passive but as you know from working with troubled youth is that it takes a lot out of you and always seems like a losing battle when your trying to fight against the grain. Especially when it comes to money and power, there is not a person on here who would not be consumed by it at some level. The only difference is the level you learn growing up.This is the lesson in life stop worrying about the next man and live your life to it's fullest potential. Because you can still lose your life at any time even if you make the right choices. All I'm saying is if you don't choose to serve in the trenches with us, don't throw dirt on us for trying to make a difference for our kids and yours.
May 20, 2008
12:33 p.m.
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rocketryder writes:
And indisbelief,
The crip gang is responsible for the war that is brewing as we speak.
And like I said in the other thread, a crip hangout was torched last night. So things are heating up. Literally.
And Asberry hasn't helped shape Denver's history according to you. Even in death, he's about to bring the city to it's knees again.
May 20, 2008
12:39 p.m.
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prayerfulone writes:
ONEman,
Finally you understand what I meant. The sad thing now is that the new generation of "gang" member are not as open to change as the prior ones were. This makes the task of saving our youth and communities that much more difficult. You are absolutely right when you speak about being consumed by the work. At least in the 90's the now OG's were willing to try some different things, hopefully those of us whom are passionate about making a difference will remain diligent and persistent with the hard work that lies ahead. Surely, people recognize that this is only the beginning of what is to follow.
May 20, 2008
12:39 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
How did this turn into a discussion on race? Who cares what color he was! One less gang banger on the streets, thats a good thing. And it will be a two for one when the shooter gets caught and goes to jail. It may sound harsh, but I really dont see a negative in this situation. As far as a Denver legend...I think not...Denver scumbag is more like it.
May 20, 2008
12:39 p.m.
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Cypher33 writes:
Don't get me wrong.. I can appretiate everything the Rev has/is doing. He was one of the first people to step up to help these kids in North East Denver. And he knows it. That's the problem...He should welcome the help, rather than alienate himself from the people in the community who really care. He is a great man; maybe he's just too prideful to recieve the help.
May 20, 2008
12:43 p.m.
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Cypher33 writes:
Sheepherder,
A man being murdered is not a negative?
May 20, 2008
12:46 p.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
"praising the death of another black man."
Not one person brought up the fact of his race, till you did!
A little self serving?
May 20, 2008
12:47 p.m.
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rocketryder writes:
Sheepherder,
Of course he's not a legend in the suburbs or to those that really don't know what's going on in the city.
To those of us that DO know, he is a legend. And if you want proof, just ask Denver Police how legendary (and powerful) he was.
May 20, 2008
12:54 p.m.
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indisbelief writes:
pocketrocketrider, if all of you bangers believe you can bring an entire city to it's knees, go for it. We'll just bury all of your carcasses in a common pit when you're done killing each other. That will make history. Funny thing, I was here in bad old '93 too. I'm looking forward to this one. Maybe we can finally clean up the city.
May 20, 2008
12:55 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
C'mon don't act like the adlibs are'nt there just because you don't literally say black man... as I said racists talk a certain way and that's how it sounds .
May 20, 2008
12:56 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
Thanks indisbelief, your right on cue to my last post.
May 20, 2008
1 p.m.
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prayerfulone writes:
Proof of the reputation this man had and still does is reflected in the many, many discussions on this site. Surely there are people on here talking about things they know nothing about, so let this be the chance to inform them of what the real deal is. Unfortunately, probably over half of the comments being made are based on heresay and are intemingled with a lack of understanding or enough knowledge on the subject to even know what they are saying. Race is not a factor in the equation it is just a circumstance and it is important to be aware that anything referred to as a "gang" is a group of persons serving a common cause that are united through their ideas. So.......... there are many, some with good intentions and some not!!
May 20, 2008
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rocketryder writes:
Indisbelief,
You're hilarious. You must be on a break from washing lettuce at work.
May 20, 2008
1:03 p.m.
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prayerfulone writes:
Indisbelief,
Please think about what you are saying!!! You sound like Hitler, have you seen Schindler's List?!!!! Mass graves are not an option and furthermore there will be no genocide here!!! sorry :(
May 20, 2008
1:06 p.m.
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bouche writes:
the ignorance that is shown here is amazing, there is such anger and prejudice in colorado , there are "GANGS" of all nationalities, and to DOUBLE CHUBBY.. i am a woman and my point you missed is that we all have different things we have gone thru not all gang related, and the best teachers are those who have experienced that particular struggle, then one can help others to overcome...get it now?
May 20, 2008
1:10 p.m.
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indisbelief writes:
So when does Al Sharpton get in town?
May 20, 2008
1:12 p.m.
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misslevy writes:
Everyone on this board has made their point. I think the important thing is just as we see on this board everyone has their own opinions and ways of dealing with things. I have said on this message board before what is said from the heart is felt in the heart. You can never change people minds if they are not open to be changed. Did Mike really change? To tell you the truth only HE knows. I do know and many of the comments of this board confirms that no matter how much you try to change and make up for your mistakes there is always a group who continue to think AND treat you bad based on your past. There is no such thing as redemption with them. I often wonder if they would still think the same way if it were their relative dealing with this character flaw. Probably most of them would rather disown them, because it is easier. Further confirmation of this is that we see these same people prejudging even cursing his kids who struggle everyday to get away from his reputation. I also think there are many who recognize the shortcomings in a persons temper or behavior and will literally bait them in so they can get in trouble. I have seen grown men get knocked out and smile when they come to because their words penetrated the assailant feelings and provoked them to respond. I often tell my sons when they are faced with conflict and perhaps it can help others here as well. WHEN YOU STOP THEY WILL STOP and IGNORE IGNORANT PEOPLE. You may look like a punk but that is ok if it keeps your record clean and at least if they strike you first it becomes self-defense. Easier said than done?….Yep but in the long run you are better off. PS I guarantee you the main perpetrators/bigots will agree with this comment and then go into a long drawn out explanation as to what they “really” meant previously.
May 20, 2008
1:13 p.m.
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prayerfulone writes:
bouche,
that is so right. it would be so nice is these discussions would in fact have some suggestions for prevention of these kinds of things. maybe then some others will be saved from self destruction.
May 20, 2008
1:21 p.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
"There is no such thing as redemption with them."
Not when your a gang leader! What, he was clean for a month or two? How much change after that long in a gang can we expect? Did he go out of his way to make thing right, as much as he could? Talk to the children of the families he affected? Go out of his way to keep kids out of gangs? I could use a little help here, if you do not mind.
This man was the center of a gang that cause a lot of hurt.
If the people wish to speak out, who are you to say anything?
Don't like what folks post here, your not bound to come back!
May 20, 2008
1:21 p.m.
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JMac writes:
"Of all the gangsters that stick out in your mind, he sticks out the most," said Kurt Peterson, a former Denver gang unit officer who now is a detective in the bomb squad. "He's the kind of guy that in any other setting, a company setting, a military setting, would have been a leader, without a doubt."
Obviously officer Peterson who nearly lost his life and had half of his face blown off by a Blood named Stay Strapped, thinks Mike was a natural born leader and given the right opportunities would have been a great success. Those are strong words from a the most renowned gang unit police officer (but he was and I'm sure still in the dirtiest) in city history.
May 20, 2008
1:36 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
Why is this front page news? It does'nt matter to those who don't care and only serves as a slap in the face of those that do. Don't glanorize his death as something for him to be remembered further, there is a lost kid out there that sees this as being remembered for making your mark. A lot of times I wonder about the true intentions of the RMN. They definitely give the wood-peckers a place to pecker some holes. As many of you have proven all day.
May 20, 2008
1:48 p.m.
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Sejanus writes:
Is that shopping center fire in Park Hill really retaliation, as some people say? I go there twice a week to buy smokes (only $2 a pack!) and there's always something shady happening there. Couldn't it have just been an accident, a burglary, or a beef with the owner?
Any Park Hill residents out there with info on this?
May 20, 2008
1:49 p.m.
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tm3869 writes:
Scottmo:
What was the little girls mom thinking when she decided to procreate with the loser? Obviously she was too stupid to think of what could possibly happen to the family because of his gang ties.
She was thinking the same thing most women think when they get pregnant by a loser. In their mind, it is the love they feel for him, not the things they do when they are not together. Knowing someone has trials and tribulations (as we all do) does not mean you don't ever deal with them! God, give her a break!!!!!!! She knew he was a banger, but she has worked hard to keep her daughter on the right path. His daughter is a straight A student, and her mom is a law abiding, working Colorado resident!!!!
May 20, 2008
1:49 p.m.
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opinionatedcolo writes:
All those on here cheering for this guys death need to remember that his death may have an impact on many who are innocent. Last I looked, gang wars do not only claim gang members. Bystanders die as well. I know that a lot of you would not really care about that, as they are likely people doublecuhubby does not value, but do not presume that if this blows off then only bad people will die.
May 20, 2008
2:03 p.m.
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tm3869 writes:
hasslicher_jude:
those types of comments only make you look more ignorant.......you may get some of the black people on here to get just as ignorant, but what point does it serve to be hateful?
May 20, 2008
2:10 p.m.
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Fred writes:
Tm3869,
I see you keep correcting people on here for their hateful comments but refuse to correct OneMan for his blatantly hateful and racist comment. Would that be because like Oneman you are a racist yet don't know it?
I’ll go ahead and quote Oneman again for reference:
“Tell the truth, most white people feel perfectly comfortable thinking all blacks and hispanics are gangsters and thugs. And also feel that speaking ill of them is ok even if they never knew them”
A person can only assume that you think its ok to be a racist if the target of the racism is white.
May 20, 2008
2:20 p.m.
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tm3869 writes:
Fred,
please forgive me if I did not get each and every poster on here that was making nasty or racist comments. I certainly don't condone ANY racist statements from ANYONE. It is wrong no matter who says it.
His statement may have been on point to him, but I don't think we as a people will ever see eye to eye on race especially when it is so easy to say someone did something because of their race.
May 20, 2008
2:29 p.m.
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momof5 writes:
In the first place, roni248, I am thinking of my own 5 children who are biracial. Guys like this one give all blacks a bad name. As for being a racist or making generalities about black fathers, look at the statistics:
• Rates of imprisonment for young black men escalated throughout the 1990s and continued climbing well into the current decade. About 16 percent of black men in their twenties who were not college students were either in jail or in prison.
• African Americans are seven times more likely to go to prison or jail than whites.
• Almost 60 percent of black male high school dropouts in their early thirties have spent time in prison.
• The percentage of young jobless black men continues to increase, part of a trend that generally hasn't abated in decades. In 2000, about 65 percent of black male high-school dropouts had no jobs, either because they couldn't find work or because they were in jail. By 2004, the studies found that number had grown to 72 percent. The numbers for young black men were higher than for whites and Hispanics similarly affected.
Being jailed in federal or state prisons has become so common for African Americans today that more young black men in the United States have done time than have served in the military or earned a college degree, according to a new study.
May 20, 2008
2:30 p.m.
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Fred writes:
TM,
You missed the point. You have chastised several posters on here for their ignorant comments about black people yet let the equally ignorant comments about white people slide.
THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. You can't scream racism out of one side of your mouth and support it by silence with the other.
This is the problem people have with Rev Wright. He screams racism yet perpetrates it. I wish those in the community would realize this hypocrisy. I hear it constantly.
Blame, hate, blame hate… and it is a two way street.
May 20, 2008
2:32 p.m.
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tm3869 writes:
hasslicher_jude:
It definitely is, but the black community is not the only place it happens. We all need to retool our thinking when it comes to gangs and crime in general. People are doing things now I never thought I would witness in my lifetime. There are gangs and crime everywhere, and people all people, good, bad, black, white, young and old are being affected. It is time for this madness to stop in any community....
May 20, 2008
2:36 p.m.
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tm3869 writes:
As I said before Fred, it was not to support black racists at all. If I missed what you said to me, then I apologize. I definitely do not want to be on the same side of the Street as Rev. Wright. I don't dispense hate or condone it either......
May 20, 2008
2:38 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
Only trouble is Fred I don't go around looking for people to harass and put down with name calling and commenting on things that I know nothing about.So while my opinon is very broad about how white people are very presumtuous and judgemental of minorities and their lifestyles. Thast's as far as it goes, no talking of killing or disrespecting the dead or his family. While on the other hand there is a dark and hateful undertone to alot of the comments (which I'd be willing to bet are mostly white)speak for themselves. By the way I don't know if your racist or not, but it's quite cliche' to turn the tables in order to defend your stance on this matter. Kind of like saying some of my best friends are black when being accused of being racist. Get it?
The mere fact that your trying to pick a fight with me on one comment when I've made many others. Shows who your jumping to defend and the mind set you have. If your not a bigot I really was'nt even speaking to you Fred. So if you are a bigot your right to respond but prove my point anyway.
May 20, 2008
2:39 p.m.
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tm3869 writes:
Im done... this is useless... thanks for making someone who does not hate everyone feel even worse for posting their feelings about an issue that affects us all....
May 20, 2008
2:48 p.m.
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Fred writes:
Oneman,
Get over yourself. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I'm trying to let you know how bad it looks to call someone hypocritical and then turn around and be a hypocrite in the very next sentence.
In addition I was hoping to open your eyes a little bit about your own racist feelings.
Whether or not you correct those short comings is up to you.
Can you not see that your statements are divisive and counter productive?
I have no need to pile on in bashing the “mostly white” folks you speak of. Their racism is obvious and called out on a regular basis. They know who they are. Do you?
May 20, 2008
2:50 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
Another cliche' excuse to be a racist "my kids are bi racial or I'm married to a black/hispanic man/woman." As if that gives you the right. You can spray as much perfume as you wan on sh** that does'nt change the fact that it came out of an ass and it's still sh** at the end of the day.
momof5 i guess that just makes it "allwhite" then huh?
May 20, 2008
2:50 p.m.
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prayerfulone writes:
marinegrunt,
i am not speaking of redemption. whats done is done. i am speaking of the future and the next generation of youth that will someday be responsible for their communities and the world!!! of course people are entitled to their own opinions and all, but it is just sad to see that from someones death, no one seems to be focused on life. understand?
May 20, 2008
2:59 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
Thanks fo your concern Fred but i really have no problems or shortcomings with whites or blacks or yellows or greens. See one thing I've learned in growing up in the hood was to mind my own business and worry about myself. Really I was hoping to open your eyes a little also. You can throw the boomerang all you want. One comment taken to the extreme will never define me as a racist. You see I'm not preaching hate just making an observation about the way your representing yourselves. And your perfectly right to do the same to me. But calling me a racist is way off base.
May 20, 2008
3:12 p.m.
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prayerfulone writes:
hasslicher_jude,
thats sad!!! fyi we all bleed red!!! your attitude and choices make you a racist, not your enviornment unless your a "gang" member! (sarcasm)
May 20, 2008
3:21 p.m.
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Sejanus writes:
As usual, everyone managed to turn this into a racial issue. Bigots, apologists, people with chips on their shoulders...ugghhh. You know who I really can't stand? Pacific Islanders. beady-eyed pineapple-eaters if you ask me. You just can't trust em'!
May 20, 2008
3:32 p.m.
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prayerfulone writes:
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 20, 2008
3:45 p.m.
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Fresh writes:
Oneman,
If you aren't racist , then the pope isnt catholic
May 20, 2008
3:51 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
Oh ya Fresh it's all said and done when a pig of your stature validates something. Go ahead enlighten us with some of your usual garbage on how whites are holier than thou. I see no news for you to bash Mexicans so you jumped on here huh. If your white and not a racist stay away from Fresh he'll set your cause back decades.
May 20, 2008
3:52 p.m.
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JMac writes:
prayerfulone,
You're laughing at ugly_jew's (hasslicher_jude) stupid little joke and he hates you. Both because of your views on this situation because of your skin color. He is a neo nazi ie., poor uneducated racist piece of sh!t and by laughing at him you are enabling that worthless waste of human DNA (stolen from bropous, lol) to be a facist racist coward. Please don't let his ignorence pour over to you.....
May 20, 2008
4:06 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
hasslicher_jude is probably a weak person to begin with and doe's'nt need anymore excuses to be racist than it's owm pathetic self. One thing I learned is you can't convince them otherwise. The way to deal with them is just throw a white sheet over their face with the holes cut out for their eyes and say get behind me satan. They're all talk anyway so they don't matter much.
May 20, 2008
4:06 p.m.
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prayerfulone writes:
JMAC,
ACTUALLY HIS IGNORANCE IS WHAT IS COMICAL. ITS A SHAME HIS MIND IS SO CLOSED THAT HE CAN'T SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES. I AGREE WITH YOU THOUGH :)
May 20, 2008
4:17 p.m.
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Sejanus writes:
The Irish are taking all our good railroad and cannery jobs.
May 20, 2008
7:11 p.m.
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MikeWoot writes:
Prayerfulone,
At least Leon Kelly is there, trying to do something. Where were you? Where have you been?
May 20, 2008
7:15 p.m.
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MikeWoot writes:
Brophus,
It is people like you that celebrate murder and violence, all the while passing judgement on people that I doubt you even know.
Just remember, there's going to come your time when you will face judgement for YOUR life. Just how are you going to defend your behavior?
May 20, 2008
7:34 p.m.
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redwhiteandBLUE writes:
Momof5,
It's irrelevant whether he took care of his children or not, or if they all had the same mama, etc. He's gone now (RIP). People make mistakes in life, he tried to change his life, he couldn't right the wrong he did in the past. People do change. We know the prison
stats.
Fred to One Man,
Thank You, you took the words out of my mouth!
May 21, 2008
9:23 a.m.
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misslevy writes:
MarineGrunt,
While I don't condone the crimes and/or wrongs Mr. Asberry committed. It is my prayer that you NEVER make a mistake or bad decision and then have answer to someone who believes just like you that there is no such thing as redemption. In my dictionary, redemption does not mean you dont suffer the consequences of your actions. I do believe that until you take your last breath on this earth EVERYONE has the opportunity to become a better person than they were before.
May 21, 2008
9:54 a.m.
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prayerfulone writes:
well said misslevy :) judgement is reserved for God only and any perfect person on this Earth I do not believe any of us are perfect
May 21, 2008
10:38 a.m.
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momof5 writes:
Momof5,
It's irrelevant whether he took care of his children or not, or if they all had the same mama, etc. He's gone now (RIP). People make mistakes in life, he tried to change his life, he couldn't right the wrong he did in the past. People do change. We know the prison
stats.
You are wrong, roni248, it is entirely relevant whether or not he took care of the children he fathered. If he wasn't taking care of them - financially, morally, spiritually, then who is? Are they being raised by single mothers? Are they learning that the life their father led doesn't have to be their life? Are they going to be productive citizens of this country or are they going to be the same drain on society that their father was?
I am raising 5 biracial children. Entirely my choice. What is not my choice is the crap that my kids get at school and in the world because of the image guys like this give the world of the young black male. The very same image their father gives the world. A OG from Omaha. Didn't know he was a gang member. Didn't know the kind of lifestyle he lived until it was too late.
At 40 he still hasn't grown up. Owes me $65,000 in back support. Won't hold down a job. He's too busy looking for that next big score. So don't you dare call me a racist. I have lived with the reality for years. I know there are good and bad in every race. Unfortunately, I also know that all the years I took my kids to visit their father in a federal pen, hoping that he'd see the light and change his life when he came out, that the majority of inmates in there were black and a HUGE number were gang members. There were gang beatings every day in Florence.
May 21, 2008
10:40 a.m.
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momof5 writes:
con't
My children's grandmother (on their father's side) has 6 children. Three boys and three girls. Out of her three sons she has 21 grandchildren. My ex alone has 8 kids with four women. Doesn't pay support for any of them. His brothers don't provide for their kids either. The difference between my kids and theirs? I refuse to allow my kids to grow up and become like their father. We moved to a better neighborhood. I worked two jobs to provide them a decent home and good education. My oldest is a U.S. Marine and also goes to college. My daughter is in college. My 17 year old twins are being recruited by colleges to play football and basketball. My youngest is only 10.
You don't have to keep the hand you are dealt. Raising 5 kids alone I could easily have given up and gone on welfare. I could have let their dad have a larger influence in their lives. I chose to give them something better than a cell at a federal pen or death by someone else's bullet.
The man didn't deserve to die but his lifestyle wasn't something his kids could be proud of. Too many parents put their wants and wishes ahead of their kids. I've always told my ex when he dies he isn't going to be telling God I wished I got high one more time. I wished I had partied one more time. I wished I had cheated on my wife or girlfriend one more time or beat up some other banger. He's going to asking forgiveness because God gave him 8 beautiful children that he didn't help raise. He has never supported and now he has no relationship with them.
So, roni, it does matter. It matters a lot. You wonder why so many black youth are in prison? Why so many are dead? Why so many are in gangs? Tell their fathers to look in the mirror. There's your reason.
May 21, 2008
2:07 p.m.
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misslevy writes:
LMAO Ok so Marine Grunt trying to be holier than thou on this blog and then he/she is now in the "Naked pilot, flight attendant busted for drunken romp in woods" blog condoning and forgiving the parties for thier misdeeds talking about(summary): I dont see anything wrong!! You are definitely a piece of work Marine Grunt!! LOL
May 21, 2008
2:08 p.m.
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misslevy writes:
PS if you can go give a shout out to marine grunt!!
May 22, 2008
4:31 p.m.
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Kaine writes:
Who cares what Rev. Kelly thinks he is nothing but a drug dealer and a gang member too; don't let him fool you into thinking thats all in his past.
May 22, 2008
4:37 p.m.
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Kaine writes:
Why is the Eastside Crips mad at the Bloods; Micheal Asberry was shot in the Rollin 100s hood