Teen sues over alleged beating by Denver cops
Filing says boy unfairly targeted, seeks $1.3 million
By Alan Gathright, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Originally published 04:01 p.m., May 15, 2008
Updated 09:14 a.m., May 16, 2008
Porter, 40, has been suspended without pay.
Attorneys for a Hispanic teenager filed a lawsuit Thursday accusing five Denver police officers of brutally beating him and causing severe internal injuries.
The lawyers seek a $1.3 million settlement, claiming 16-year-old Juan Guillermo Vasquez was "unfairly targeted ... because of his Hispanic race" by the Anglo officers, according to a letter Wednesday declaring their intent to sue the city.
Officer Charles Porter is accused of jumping up and down on Vasquez as he lay in an alley and "cried for him to stop and begged for his life," according to the lawsuit claiming excessive force and violation of the boy's constitutional rights.
The lawsuit, filed by attorney Douglas Romero in Denver District Court, names the city, police department and the five officers as defendants.
Police spokeswoman Detective Sharon Hahn said the department does not comment on pending lawsuits.
The suit accuses several unnamed officers of cursing Vasquez while kicking and punching him and striking him with a flashlight so hard that it shattered against his body.
Porter was charged last week with felony assault after two fellow officers confirmed that Porter repeatedly jumped on Vasquez's back, according to criminal court records.
Porter, 40, a 12-year veteran assigned to the gang unit, has been suspended without pay.
The city attorney's office still had not been served with the lawsuit or the intent-to-sue claim today, said Luis Corchado, assistant director of the litigation Section.
"The city attorney's office takes every complaint seriously and moves to investigate what happened," he said.
Mayor John Hickenlooper's spokeswoman, Sue Cobb, said: "In a matter such as this, where an officer is arrested on a potential felony charge, the standard protocol is to place that officer on unpaid leave until the matter is resolved by the courts, and that's what's happened in this case."
The alleged attack occurred on the night of April 18 after the Denver teen ran from officers who suspected he was drinking alcohol near West 37th Avenue and Pecos Street.
The lawsuit gives the following account:
As Vasquez fled and hopped several fences, an officer shouted for him "to stop or he would shoot him in the back."
The officer threw his flashlight, hitting Vasquez "with such force that it shattered on impact," the lawsuit states.
When Vasquez fell in the alley, the first officer jumped on his back, saying: "You (expletive) little (expletive), you made me break my flashlight."
With that officer sitting on the boy's back, others began to punch and kick him as Vasquez "begged" them to stop, the lawsuit claims.
"The little (expletive) made me rip my pants," an officer said, according to the lawsuit.
Porter is accused of grabbing a fence top with both hands for better leverage as he "proceeded to jump up and down on (the teen's) back with his full weight."
Vasquez, who is 5-foot-6 and 130 pounds, was hospitalized with a lacerated liver, a ruptured spleen, damage to both kidneys and bruised or fractured ribs, said Andrew O'Connor, a former New Mexico public defender on the teenager's legal team.
"If this was a white kid in Boulder, it wouldn't have gone down the way it went down," O'Connor said.
O'Connor also accused authorities of what he called a "reprehensible" act of handcuffing the teen to his hospital bed in the intensive care unit for three days.
"Not only did he get stomped, his civil rights were violated every step of the way," O'Connor said.
The lawsuit accuses the police department of a long-standing pattern of failing to properly train, supervise or discipline officers.
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May 15, 2008
2:05 p.m.
indisbelief writes:
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May 15, 2008
2:16 p.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
Where does it say he is an illegal?
BTW... how do we know this was race related? (And if your going to say something stupid to the tune that all white cops are racist or along those line... save it. We know your stupid!)
May 15, 2008
2:18 p.m.
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RickyLee writes:
Geeze!!!!
Frank Lobato's family only got $400,000, and the pi...I mean
the cops, shot him in his bed, while he was holding a deadly Pepsi can....
Serve and protect, what a joke.
May 15, 2008
2:19 p.m.
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RickyLee writes:
Grunt, that would be "you're"...as in "you are".
May 15, 2008
2:22 p.m.
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CaptainObvious writes:
Ah yes, the American Dream! Run from the cops, get beat resisting, and sue your way into a better neighborhood. Or at least, better rims. The Anchor Baby is second only to the Lawsuit Baby.
May 15, 2008
2:25 p.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
Ahhh yes... Noted!
May 15, 2008
2:33 p.m.
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Ashley writes:
Wow, I'd say that qualifies as excessive force...
May 15, 2008
2:42 p.m.
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frogarch writes:
It just really upsets me that any person with a hispanic surname is automatically thought of as illegal, c'mon people, my last name is Archuleta and I was born and raised here, my parents were born and raised here, my great grandparents were as my great, great, great grandparents, and that cop deserves to be fired and put in prison, not because the kid was hispanic but because he used excessive force...... What's this crazy world coming to?
May 15, 2008
2:43 p.m.
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mrNiceGuy writes:
I wonder what the pi... I mean cop's story was when they brought this KID to the hospital. The extent of the kid's injuries is probably the only reason he's in trouble 'cause it happens all the time (authorities abusing power).
I like the fact that this guy is suspended without pay, but they want to fire the body building hot cop for the photos she took for American Gladiator. So, this guy is a better representative of Denver police than a body building chick? I agree.
May 15, 2008
2:44 p.m.
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Finding_Forever writes:
Thank you Office Porter. Now, we tax paying citizens will have to shell out MORE money to settle ANOTHER police brutality case.
May 15, 2008
2:53 p.m.
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snuffalupagus writes:
Knew this was going to happen. Another frivolous lawsuit against Denver's finest. I'm sure there was a lot more to it than just this little punk drinking beer and what not.
May 15, 2008
3:04 p.m.
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mis_kia79 writes:
Are we suprised that this is going on? especially in "Bigot Country". Just about every white person in this ridiculous state has a racists bone or fifty that only comes out when they think no one is watching. There are some who really don't care and embrace their racism, but I'd much rather deal with a person who is honest about their hatred for peopole of color, (asians, afr. amer., hispanics), then an undercover bigot, who can't be honest about who he is. How do the hispanic and african american police officers deal with the racist remarks and actions of the white co-cops? I have a fried who at 74 years old is an ex-cop. When he first got on the force the treatment he received was caddy and immature, and we wonder why our children are screwed up! Who do they have to look up too?
May 15, 2008
3:05 p.m.
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May 15, 2008
3:05 p.m.
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LingLingfor_prez writes:
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought white and hispanic were the same 'race.' Maybe an ethnic lawsuit then?
May 15, 2008
3:10 p.m.
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mark79trans writes:
Did anyone notice that this officer was assigned to the gang unit? There are some extremely high burnout jobs within the police department, court system, social services, and non-profit groups that provide advocates. Police departments need to manage the stress of their people with these types of assignments.
When somebody sees the worst on a daily basis, they do become biased to cultures, genders, and races; or, any demographic of people they associate with their job. This is not a case of racism against a group of people but a reaction based on experience...there is a huge difference. Since my wife is an advocate for domestic violence, I work with her to not be biased against men.
Think for one minute...if you performed a job where your colleagues are murdered by gang members, how would you see a youth if they appeared to be a gang member?
Conversely, anyone who evades or engages in threatening behavior toward a police officer is extremely foolish...no, just plain stupid! Police Officers see too much during their career, they have a difficult job where objectivity is tested daily, and many have been threatened or seen a colleague die in the line of service. If an officer is treated with respect, they show respect in return.
May 15, 2008
3:13 p.m.
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indisbelief writes:
grunt,
back away from the steriods...
The kid's got a legitimate lawsuit, like it or not.
May 15, 2008
3:18 p.m.
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Buckwheat writes:
Hate to say this..."But I told you so".....
May 15, 2008
3:20 p.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
indirtybriefs:
Huh? I didn't say he did not have a legitimate right to a lawsuit. I asked a question... Keep up with the big kids now.
I just like the results your mom got from the steroids, so I thought I would try them too.
May 15, 2008
3:20 p.m.
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Shaupeen writes:
So, why did he run from the cops?
May 15, 2008
3:23 p.m.
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May 15, 2008
3:24 p.m.
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ashlandbus writes:
mark79trans, if your wife is an advocate for domestic violence, she must not be very skilled if she cannot separate her hatred of men from her day job. And, your statement "This is not a case of racism against a group of people but a reaction based on experience...there is a huge difference." is BS. Racism is racism. No matter where it comes from. Take a peek around these boards. Thank goodness they are not representative of the heavy majority of the people in this state.
May 15, 2008
3:24 p.m.
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BeefEaterGrins writes:
LOL... indirtybriefs!!
Read.
Think.
Comment.
I knows it simple, but we will walk you thought it, indisbelief!
May 15, 2008
3:27 p.m.
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BeefEaterGrins writes:
ashlundbus...
Yes, they would think we were stupid and ignorant like yourself. Thank you for pointing that out.
May 15, 2008
3:28 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
The old race card getting thrown around once again! What a suprise! The kid got beaten because he ran, and most likely resisted arrest (though it sounds like it went a little too far). Who cares what color he was (hispanics are classified as white anyway). Once the race card is thrown down, all credibility is gone in my opinion.
May 15, 2008
3:29 p.m.
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indisbelief writes:
I'm in your wife's dirty briefs.
If you're such a big grunt then you should know where Da Nang is. That's where I was in '70. You need to keep up with the adults.
May 15, 2008
3:32 p.m.
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collegegrad writes:
Indisbelief: The kid is not only an American-born Hispanic, he is actually part (if not half) Native American. My family is acquainted with his.
May 15, 2008
3:34 p.m.
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BeefEaterGrins writes:
Your service on Vietnam.. Thank you and Welcome home!
I was in DaNang in '95. But I am guessing it has changed a little.
But, I do believe you started this little tiff with your steroids comments. Now why are you so upset? Goose... Gander... blah blah blah I guess.
Try and stay on subject, please?
May 15, 2008
3:38 p.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
Well... Welcome Home. Thank you for your service in SE Asia.
Don't get all pissy when you get called out. Don't start talking trash if you can't handle the counter-battery fire! Would have figured for a a combat vet.. you would have a little thicker skin and be able to take a "your momma" joke.
My bad... keep yelling at those kids to get off your lawn.
May 15, 2008
3:40 p.m.
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indisbelief writes:
Beef,
Check out the first two posts.
Grunt,
Free your mind and your as* will follow.
May 15, 2008
3:42 p.m.
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indisbelief writes:
I don't need to yell at them anymore. They cross the street now.
May 15, 2008
3:45 p.m.
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DahmersCookbook writes:
COPS ARE ALL POWER HUNGRY MONSTERS WITH GUMP I.Q.'S AND ALL ARE ABUSING STREROIDS, EVERY SINGLE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!
May 15, 2008
3:45 p.m.
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happymike44 writes:
I'm sorry I do believe some cops are just bad.I got pulled over by two of them the one claimed I ws speeding.He shoved a gun in my face after he told me to get out of my car.I did everything he instructed me to and I almost got shot.Then got mad because my father who signs for me to follow what was being said got threanted with going to jail.So if this guy did do the injuries well time to pay up.Also it does not matter who you are.Everyone deserves to be treated in a respectful way.The police have created a climate of fear for everyone to the point we now fear each other.the night I got mugged the officer came to my home and checked it out to be sure it was safe for me.So not all of them are bad.It just seems the bad ones get noticed more then anyone else.
May 15, 2008
3:52 p.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
What? Where did I EVER say the did not have the option to file a lawsuit? Did I not ask if this was really a race related subject?
Exact quote: "BTW... how do we know this was race related?"
Your enlightened response: "grunt,
back away from the steriods...
The kid's got a legitimate lawsuit, like it or not."
Then this beauty:
"Free your mind and your as* will follow"
Jesus man.. are reading these posts are you using the Force to get you the info?
May 15, 2008
3:52 p.m.
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mark79trans writes:
"Posted by ashlandbus on May 15, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mark79trans, if your wife is an advocate for domestic violence, she must not be very skilled if she cannot separate her hatred of men from her day job"
She does extremely well in comparison to her peers; she has twice the longevity compared to the attrition rate and does an extremly good job of taking care of herself and talking to me about what she is thinking and feeling. ...a pretty ignorant statement made by you on this.
...I find it very unlikely that you have any experience in this field therefore you are quick to dismiss what these people go through and what they see.
May 15, 2008
3:54 p.m.
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BeefEaterGrins writes:
I have read this thread from start to finish.
Too much bad bush back in DaNang? You way out in left field.
What are you basing your 1st comment on about Grunt? A simple copy and paste will work here.
May 15, 2008
3:55 p.m.
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indisbelief writes:
Grunt,
There's a lag on the posts here. Not exactly a flowing conversation. If I was out of line with my opening comment, I apologize.
May 15, 2008
4 p.m.
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BeefEaterGrins writes:
I have to stop coming in here...
May 15, 2008
4:03 p.m.
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RickyLee writes:
mark79...
You're quite the apologist for these cops. Nothing you said even comes close to being an excuse for this beating. NOTHING.
Lacerated liver?!? Come on, I've been on both sides of some pretty good beatings, and nothing like that has ever been the result.
But you insinuate its OK because the pi...I mean the cop is in the gang unit and perhaps has seen some nasty stuff. Pull your head out.
May 15, 2008
4:10 p.m.
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paperboy_80110 writes:
O'Conner, like most people, needlessly and inaccurately inserts a racial component into a circumstance that is really only about a thug culture in the Denver Police Department (and other cities, but not including Boulder, Colorado)that has developed over several generations of backscratching cover by the D.A.. The reality is that if you run, when they catch you the cops will beat you. That's the code in Denver, and I have witnessed it personally since the sixties. It's the same way in LA. If Rodney King was purple with yellow polka-dots he still would have gotten his ass kicked.
The fact that his client is latino and the instigating cop is white is irrelevant and misleading, and shows an absence of street-smarts and legal acumen on the part of O'Connor. Should we demand that only latino cops can beat latino kids, black cops beat only black kids?
This issue is not race, it's a history of officially sanctioned brutality exercised by the Denver Police Department.
Denver cops have murdered many people over the years and then been exonerated by the D.A.'s office, which amounts to the pigs on one side of the trough ignoring the pigs on the other side that are killing the chickens.
May 15, 2008
4:11 p.m.
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EZBakeOven writes:
You can file a lawsuit for anything...it doesn't mean you're going to win.
May 15, 2008
4:22 p.m.
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paperboy_80110 writes:
He will never win EZ. That's because the city is going to pay him way, way before anybody thinks about a trial. I think the amount is capped by statute at around $450K. This is about what the Truax family got when the DPD murdered their son, if memory serves,
May 15, 2008
4:22 p.m.
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nicktaste writes:
there is always going to be people who stand up for whats wrong
some of the posts here defending this cop prove my point
things become more black and white with every passing day
May 15, 2008
4:26 p.m.
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JSeifert writes:
All you complaining about the police I say this how about if the police who are tired of you winers went on a 2 month leave all police and left you to protect yourselfs I wonder what the reaction would be then?
May 15, 2008
4:31 p.m.
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JMac writes:
The police do not serve and protect. They clean up crime scenes, investigate alleged crimes and issue tickets, that's it, period! They are nothing more than college dropout gangmembers, who have the backing of the DA to commit any crime they see fit, including cold blooded murder.
May 15, 2008
4:32 p.m.
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Shaggy writes:
Sounds like the flash light was made in China!!
May 15, 2008
4:46 p.m.
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paperboy_80110 writes:
Not exactly what I meant JMac. The cops have their story too; everybody does. They have a nearly impossible job that most people can't understand, and they are isolated by their power to intervene in people's lives. I just tried to tell it like it is with the Denver Police. They still need our support and respect as an institution. They also need to be turned upside down and shaken, separating the humane and rational from the brutal and oppressive.
May 15, 2008
4:47 p.m.
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mrNiceGuy writes:
Cop or no cop, a grown man beat the hell out of a KID (mexican or not) while he was defenseless.
Additionally, I'm appreciative to those who have pointed out that ALL white people are racist. I am white, and clearly I have been slacking in that department. Thanks for using your racism to point out my lack of.
"Think for one minute...if you performed a job where your colleagues are murdered by gang members, how would you see a youth if they appeared to be a gang member?" How does a gang member appear, Mexican?
Stupid to evade the cops?.......The kid was in handcuffs when he was beat. The cop was stupid and it's citizens like you that enable the bad ones to continue their power trips.
May 15, 2008
4:51 p.m.
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davies writes:
Mr. Grunt: The story quotes the attorney as saying:
"We believe that he was denied equal protection under the law because he was unfairly targeted because of his Hispanic race by this Officer Porter who is white," O'Connor said. "If this was a white kid in Boulder, it wouldn't have gone down the way it went down."
Then you commented: "BTW... how do we know this was race related?"
Then Mr. Indisbelief said: "The kid's got a legitimate lawsuit, like it or not."
Now, since (A) the lawyer is basing the case on race, and (B) you questioned the validity of the racial aspect of the case, (C) Mr. Indisbelief could logically infer that you may be questioning the legitimacy of the lawsuit.
So it could have been a civil conversation. Now are we all still friends?
May 15, 2008
5:17 p.m.
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MountainMan writes:
THE CAP ON DAMAGES IN COLORADO FOR ANY LAWSUIT FILED AGAINST A GOVERNMENTAL EMPLOYEE (cops, teachers, doctors at Denver health, etc.) IS $150,000. IF YOUR 2-YEAR OLD GETS KILLED IN THE STREET BY A COP DRIVING TOO FAST TO THE DONUT STORE, YOU GET EXACTLY $150,000. IF A DOCTOR AT DENVER HEALTH SCREWS UP AND CAUSES YOU TO BECOME QUADRIPLEGIC...YOU CANNOT RECOVER A PENNY OVER $150,000. THE LAWS IN THIS STATE ARE BRUTALLY UNFAIR TO THE CITIZENS.
However...in situations like this one, where there is a potential racial component to the abuse, the claim becomes a federal civil rights violation, which means you can recover slightly more than the $150,000.
May 15, 2008
5:20 p.m.
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Zinnia79 writes:
This is totally police brutality...sue the hell out of them. A lot cops are on huge ego trips and violate the law more than normal people. Instead of serving and protecting, they like to bully and humiliate. I'm sure there are a few good ones out there...wherever they are. I have lost faith in our justice system where celebrities get immunity and innocent people get locked away for smoking a joint. A justice system that let rapists and pedophiles out but keep innocent people locked up.
May 15, 2008
5:28 p.m.
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American100 writes:
Why do you suppose the gang unit was involved?
Expect the parents to tell you what a good boy their little drunk is.
May 15, 2008
5:35 p.m.
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gs writes:
I've told all my sons not to run. Cause you make them sweat they'll kick your ass. None of them have run and they've come out OK.
May 15, 2008
5:40 p.m.
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bira44 writes:
Doesn't a wife beater swear just like Denver's finest when his wife slams her head into his fist and breaks his knuckle?
May 15, 2008
5:57 p.m.
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santosmendoza1 writes:
I have read each comment that was left before mine. And it's upsetting to see that people are blind to what's really going on within our justice system. Our "Boys in Blue" whos motto is "To Serve and Protect" do just the opposite. I have done research on the various beatings and assults that MANY police officers have done after my friend was beaten to the point of death. Not to mention the occasions where I have gotten pulled over and been the victim of harrassment by cops. And I am not only pointing the finger at white cops. There have been some black and hispanic cops that have acted in the same manner. Whether it was to back up a fellow white cop or fear that they would get repremanded for not backing them up. And for the comment that because he was hispanic therefore he must be a gangmember so lets treat him as one...well I think that if I was underage and drinking I probably would have run too for fear of my parents finding out. And not one of you out there can say that you have not done anything behind your parent's back that would cause them to punish you. Hahaha there's not a person out there, unless you're Mother Teresa, who has not at one point in time who has done something reckless that your parents didn't know about. So in closing I hope and pray that this Kid and his family get a substantial payout for the treatment he received from the people who are supposed to be an example of respect and authority for their communities.
May 15, 2008
6:14 p.m.
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Mike1969 writes:
Here is a thought DON'T RUN FROM THE POLICE and you will not be beaten!
Porter should sue the (expletive) little (expletive), for his torn pants and broken flashlight!
May 15, 2008
7:20 p.m.
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nicktaste writes:
the simple act of running from cops does not give them the right to brutally beat or kill you (at least it shouldn't, unless your actions are placing someone else is imminent danger)
(i do not suggest running from police ever, unless you want to take a chance of being killed or beaten)
"The alleged attack occurred in an alley on the night of April 18 after the teen ran from officers who suspected he was drinking alcohol near West 37th Avenue and Pecos Street."
so the kid was drinking in public, i feel running him down and beating him nearly to death is not the way I as a citizen want that issue handled
my guess is at 130 lbs a couple officers should have been able to subdue the suspect after intercepting him, from my impression, no where was force of any kind warranted.
the simple act of running from cops does not give them the right to brutally beat or kill you (at least it shouldn't, unless your actions are placing someone else is imminent danger)
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sounds to me like this kid pissed of the wrong cop
fortunately there has been media attention and hopefully that causes this officer to be held accountable for his actions
May 15, 2008
8:51 p.m.
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Miss_Kitty_Kat_Girl writes:
collegegrad,
which half is Native American? Upper half or lower half? Apparently this kid doesn't identify with being Native American.
May 15, 2008
10:13 p.m.
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May 15, 2008
10:47 p.m.
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Shaupeen writes:
Well, don't run from the cops.
May 15, 2008
10:54 p.m.
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EarlArmstrong writes:
Same script as Thomas Charles Armstrong's November 11, 2005 beating. This will never stop because we have people actually advocating this behavior by police like seen in these posts.
May 16, 2008
12:53 a.m.
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ES writes:
So, this punk breaks the law. The cops respond. He sues and makes millions. Yep, the legal system has failed. It's pretty sad that cops cannot protect the people that respect the law without a constant fear of being sued by people manipulating the system.
May 16, 2008
12:58 a.m.
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happymike44 writes:
Yes the officers have a difficult job.Yes they must deal with people we find distateful.What they do not have a right to do is to injure and maim another person.That is the facts no matter what they think.I believe in the people not having their civil rights violated.No matter who they are and no matter what they have done.How do you think this boy's mother feels knowing someone hurt her child this way.If you do not hold them accountable then people start to get injured or even murdered.
May 16, 2008
2:55 a.m.
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FEDUP writes:
"Posted by EZBakeOven on May 15, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. You can file a lawsuit for anything...it doesn't mean you're going to win."
It's not so cut and dry like that. It is virtually impossible to file any kind of lawsuit in Colorado and for a court to even accept a case to be filed, there has to be enough "evidence" to substantiate a case even being filed.
I'd say..........a lacerated liver and broken bones and even.......two fellow cops EVEN openly admitting this officer was out of line and jumping up and down on his back is........FAR FROM ANYTHING FRIVILOUS.
At least his colleagues had the balls to admit and come forward that "Porter Potty" (a "very appropriate" name taken from a post above)was out of line. That's something you don't see everyday. What I don't get is that a previous article said that Porter was under investigation already before this incident happened.............So evidently this all could have been avoided, because it appears the Denver Police department knew there were problems with this Officer Porter before this incident, and instead of on leave without pay......he should be kicked off the force by now. Why he still has a job is unbelievable .
Between this and the cop that ripped up a district attourney's "boyfriend's ticket" when a Denver distric attourney asked the cop that wrote her "boyfriend a ticket" to "help them out' and make the "ticket dissapear".......and that this cop said in court that he does that sort of thing for any district attourney, .....well. the "corruption" between the Denver Police department and the DAs office is just sickening---absolutely disgusting!
As far as the comment in another post about all "whites" being RACIST, well that is probably the MOST RACIST comment yet. Unbelievable! We are in a day and age where pulling out the race card left and right has gotten incredibly, very old.
It's hard to tell and I am sure there is more ot the story, as far as whether what happened was because of a racist cop,....it sounds more like it's more about a bad corrupt cop who was already out of control and the Denver Police department already knew that, yet kept him out int he field, and this is more about "police brutality" from an officer that was already under investigation and should have been weeded out a long time ago and then perhaps this whole thing could have been avoided.
But no one deserves to be beaten and stomped on over juvenile drinking...........
Heck, who wouldn't run from the police....especially now after this, if you know they are going to beat the crap out of you! You would basically be running for your life! Literally!
May 16, 2008
3:24 a.m.
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happymike44 writes:
Hey Fed up
Glad that you pointed out the factor of the cops attitude towards the average person.No one no matter how bad deserves to get the crap beat out of them.This attitude leads to a distrust by the people of the police.The police need to clean up their act.This means no beat downs also no blanket parties for the offenders.Why this behavior we the public will not toloerate.I don't care who you are Because no one has a right to abuse people's civil rights.
May 16, 2008
7:21 a.m.
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ashlandbus writes:
mark79trans... FYI, I have worked in legal services, where our primary clients were domestic violence victims. I think I have the background to speak on the issue.
May 16, 2008
7:58 a.m.
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sheepherder writes:
Happy Mike and all the other cop haters here...pay your tickets and get over it! It sounds like THIS COP went to far, yes...but to label an entire group of people is just prejudice. Yes prejudice...to pre-judge...you sound like idiots with your blanket statements and inuendos. It's easy to judge from your computers and lazy boys isnt it? Morons. Idiots....
May 16, 2008
8:04 a.m.
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davies writes:
ashlandbus: I'm with mark79trans. He said he works with his wife not to be biased against men. You respond that she has hatred of men. You may have the background, but you don't have any more right to misrepresent what was said than anyone else.
May 16, 2008
8:13 a.m.
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Adeline writes:
The settlement in the Frank Lobato case was $900,000.
Second, I’m not sure it matters that Juan Vasquez is Latino. Police officers can be sued under Section 1983 of the Civil Rights Act of 1871 if their acts resulted from a "misuse of power possessed by virtue of state law and made possible only because the wrongdoer is clothed with the authority of state law." Going by that, the race or ethnicity of their victims is irrelevant.
When you read the phrase “failing to properly train, supervise or discipline officers,” they’re going for department liability, which would be hard to prove except that the same guy lied about an officer involved shooting just last year and he wound up back on the streets. Sounds like deliberate indifference to me…
Concerning steroids. Only last year, police departments in New York City, Boston, Nashville and Phoenix suffered scandals involving officer use of steroids. When Abner Louima was sodomized at a NY police station by a cop with a broomstick, that officer was in a “’roid rage.”A Denver SWAT officer was accused of using steroids in the not-too-distant past. I think the feds were tracing steroids through the mail and some went to his house. He got off, but I don’t remember how. Even the DEA has admitted steroids “are the natural drug of choice for officers because law enforcement is physically and mentally challenging.” So I would feel a lot better if I knew that Denver officers were randomly tested for steroids as well as other drugs. It could be argued that what Porter did was the result of great impulsivity and in a rage. Sounds a lot like steroids to me.
Finally, taking these lawsuit settlements out of the police budget might go a long way to changing officer behavior and department culture.
May 16, 2008
8:28 a.m.
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theairdog writes:
Posted by mis_kia79 on May 15, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Are we suprised that this is going on? especially in "Bigot Country". Just about every white person in this ridiculous state has a racists bone or fifty that only comes out when they think no one is watching.
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Does anyone else see the humor in this post? Mis_Kia, by this statement alone, you just classified yourself as prejudiced (pre-judging whites) and a Racist. Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
PS. This cop does deserve to be cashiered out of the DPD and to be personally liable for damages.
May 16, 2008
8:30 a.m.
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Spencer writes:
I truly appreciate police and what they do but I have met a few that are really hard to respect. One example, co-worker of mine is divorced and her Sheriff's Deputy ex-husband does not pay child support and she has been unable to collect. But they are people and there are bad apples. This guy looks like he has psycho eyes to me.
May 16, 2008
8:31 a.m.
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Existentalism writes:
And the crooked Denver police department continues along doing anything and everything it wants to do.
For an organization that is supposed to represent law and order, this gagglle of crooked cops seems to be always breaking the law.
This has been going on for the last 28 years, as long as I have lived here in Denver, and yet nothing is ever done to rein in this gang of misfits.
May 16, 2008
8:34 a.m.
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CyberHostage writes:
Posted by Finding_Forever on May 15, 2008 at 2:44 p.m.
"Thank you Office Porter. Now, we tax paying citizens will have to shell out MORE money to settle ANOTHER police brutality case."
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EXACTLY, Finding_Forever. Good comment. Gee, who knew being a policeman would be a stressful, high-burnout profession? Policeman need to lead by example. Whether this kid was hispanic, white, black, good, or bad should be irrelevant. This is pure and simple police brutality. And God forbid, if racism was an aspect, we should expect - no, DEMAND - representatives of the law to be colorblind. Bad cops like "Officer Porter" need to be screened out.
May 16, 2008
9:29 a.m.
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CaptainObvious writes:
None of this would have happened if the kid hadn't run from the police. That isn't the action a law-abiding citizen takes. Only criminals run when confronted by the police.
What happened after is outrageous, but it was set in motion by a decision to run from the cops and ignore their demands to stop.
May 16, 2008
9:42 a.m.
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ComradeMarko writes:
These comments sections are starting to remind me of an AOL chatroom. Say what you like because there are no consequences.
May 16, 2008
9:58 a.m.
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colo4x4xj writes:
We can all sit here and bit@h about steroids and whatnot. The fact of the matter is what Porter and the other officers did to this kid. Race is blah blah blah really. Porter STOMPED on this kids back numerous times. HE HAD A RUPTURED SPLEEN AND DAMAGED LIVER AND KIDNEYS from this incident. Yes, Porter was in a gang unit and yes that is a stressful area of the job where preconceived notions about various races can be formed but that is beside the point. On another note, DPD uses Maglites, or heavy metal flashlights. The amount of force needed to shatter one of these is AWESOME to say the least (I ran one over and it was still intact). So what did DPD think a kid with a ruptured spleen, damaged liver and kidneys while he was in the hospital? I guarantee the last thing on his mind was force that needed to be restrained. But yet he was still restrained to his bed. In all honesty, I hope Porter gets sentenced to jailtime and has a 7'0 black man named Bubba as his cell mate. Theres its own lesson in race! Theres my two cents
May 16, 2008
10:04 a.m.
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RickyLee writes:
CaptainOblivious says:
"Only criminals run when confronted by the police."
Yeah...scared teenagers NEVER do that, right?
AND, referring to your statement above, there'd be absoulutley
no need for a trial or jury or any of that nonsense, because some one who runs is automatically guilty of whatever the cops think, right?
Wow.
I thought we still lived in the Untied States of America, not
Cuba, or China.
May 16, 2008
10:05 a.m.
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RickyLee writes:
...or Singapore...
May 16, 2008
10:08 a.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
"So it could have been a civil conversation. Now are we all still friends?" But of course!!!
May 16, 2008
10:09 a.m.
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RickyLee writes:
I'll buy the first round, Grunt!
May 16, 2008
10:10 a.m.
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indisbelief writes:
Still friends? Of course.
May 16, 2008
10:29 a.m.
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Barron writes:
LingLingfor_prez, you asked to be corrected if you are wrong, so I will correct you. Hispanic is Hispanic. Hispanic people come in all colors and include Cubans, Dominicans, etc., many of whom are black skinned.
The fact remains that this is a cop out of control. He stomped a kid and could have killed him. A lacerated liver is overkill. I don't care whether or not the family gets rich, I do hope they get their medical bills paid, but I do care that this "cop" is stopped.
May 16, 2008
10:31 a.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
Fair enough, Ricky!!
I was serious indisbelief... Thank you for you Service in Vietnam and WELCOME HOME!! Not sure if you aware, but the Traveling Wall is coming to town on June 16th. A few other Jarhead's and I are going to meet them at the State line and escort then on our motorcycles.. if you got time, would love to see you, or anyone else, there!!
Semper Fi...
May 16, 2008
10:45 a.m.
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indisbelief writes:
Thanks MarineGrunt. Keep me posted on the Wall. Maybe I'll join you.
Semper Fi.
May 16, 2008
10:51 a.m.
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CaptainObvious writes:
OK RickyLee, try running next time you get stopped and see what happens. You strike me as smart guy, so I'll save you the experience: I'll tell you what happens--nothing good.
Running when you're told to stop or freeze is the catalyst that set all this in motion, that's all I'm saying. And the scared teeneagers excuse doesn't wash. Law-abiding people don't run. Guilty people run. When told to stop, those who stop have just followed the law. Those who keep running just broke the law.
But read my last post--I'm not excusing the beating, I called it outrageous. It shouldn't have happened. But the kid shouldn't have run either. The fact is, if he stops when told to stop, he doesn't get beat. Period.
May 16, 2008
11:05 a.m.
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freedomfighter1 writes:
For all who refers to "illegal immirgrants." Remember, we are all illegal and immigrants to the American Indian. It takes a bold culture to steal land from one people and then shut the borders down and refuse others the opportunity to enter.
May 16, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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OpenYourEyes303 writes:
It looks like the piggies need more exercise. They couldn't catch the youngin' I bet they beat him 'cause the little dude made them breath a lil harder than they do when they grub their donuts! By the way the copper who was suspended looks like a racist. All he needs is a tattoo on his forehead to let it be known. If you see him and are a minority... RUN!!!
May 16, 2008
11:42 a.m.
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O_TRAIN writes:
PLEASE taze be bro ! - and quit lacerating my liver.
I've been beaten by Cops - and deserved it
I've been beaten by Cops - and didn't deserve it
There are Good Cops & Bad Cops - it's just getting harder to find the Good Cops because the Bad Cops keep getting all the publicity and are wasting our tax dollars on settlements.
...now I'll let you all get back to Bropous's off-topic ranting
May 16, 2008
11:52 a.m.
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May 16, 2008
11:57 a.m.
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CaptainObvious writes:
JMac, what part of running from the cops is "law ABIDING?"
May 16, 2008
12:03 p.m.
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JMac writes:
CaptainObvious,
Read for yourself..... The DPD is in a sad state right now.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_6659832
May 16, 2008
12:09 p.m.
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fefe writes:
ummmm a official kicks a reporter a coach slurs a racial remark five big azz grown men had to chase a 130 lb boy and beat him like a dog. Some things are never going to change No wonder My son who visits from California calls this CLANORADO IT IS MY GOD !!!! THIS IS NOT ABOUT MONEY WHAT IF THIS WAS YOUR SON OH SORRY YOUR KIDS DON'T RUN THEY TAKE RIFLE'S TO SCHOOL AND BLOW UP 50 CLASSMATES AND TEACHERS SOO MUCH BETTTER HUH. PLEASE PLEASE ALL PEOPLE WHO HATE ARE WRONG COPS OR NO COPS WITH THAT MUCH ANGER IN YOUR HEART YOU ARE THE SAME AND WORSE THEN GANG MEMBERS BECAUSE YOU HAVE POWER WHAT IF THIS WAS LITTLETON OR LAKEWOOD AND IT WAS YOUR LITTLE SON OR BROTHER OR NEPHEW WHO GOT SCARED AND RAN FOR SURE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN LABELED A GANG MEMBER OR A PUNK AND THE SETTLEMENT WOULD BE 5 MILLION THAT'S A FACT THE KID WHO WENT IN A CHURCH AND KILLED ALL THOSE PEOPLE WASNT BEATEN WAS HE ??
May 16, 2008
12:16 p.m.
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RickyLee writes:
Captain.
This isn't always the case:"The fact is, if he stops when told to stop, he doesn't get beat. Period."
You seem to say that no one who didn't run has ever gotten beat by cops. I have a hard time believing that. I WOULD BELIEVE that not running substancially reduces the chances, but using absolutes, as you have here, doesn't hold water.
I'll take the scared teenager "excuse" over anything said to try to justify a beating severe enough to lacerate someone's liver. This cop should not be a cop, and he should be charged with felony assault. My opinion.
May 16, 2008
12:18 p.m.
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fefe writes:
MIKE1969 HERE'S A THOUGHT WAS THE MAN IN THE WHEEL CHAIR WITH A PEPSIE CAN RUNNING HEY AND WHAT ABOUT THE RETARTED YOUNG MAN IN AURORA YOU DONT NEED TO RUN TRY TALKING BACK OR EVEN BEING POLITE IT DOESNT MATTTER YOUR STILL GOING TO BE TREATED THE SAME IT IS WAS IT IS MIKE WERE STIL IN 1969 THINKING OR 30'S OR 40'S SO ARE YOU !!!!
May 16, 2008
12:24 p.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
JMac.. try answering the question posed to you...
May 16, 2008
12:25 p.m.
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RickyLee writes:
bropous
I'm fine as per your 10:57. Me and mine are WELL protected, no need for the cops at my house, so, yes, let them take a couple months off. Seems some of them could use it in order not to beat people three-quarters to death.
You seem like someone who, instead of being able to protect themself, would rather dial 9-11 and wait who-knows-how-long
for the "authorities" to arrive. Ten minutes is a pretty good response time. I guess you'll just curl up in the corner and hope the robber/rapist/murderer waits for the cops too.
Not me. I don't need the "authorities" to protect me. Also, do you realize that the Supreme Court has found that the "authorities" have absoluteley no obligation to protect you? Better do it yourself.
May 16, 2008
12:27 p.m.
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indisbelief writes:
fefe... um, what?
May 16, 2008
12:27 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
aurora isn't denver, fefe. different police force.
and how about you type like a normal person, and use some punctuation. otherwise your post comes off as unintelligent.
Even if it was a good point you were making, nobody will read it or understand it.
May 16, 2008
12:33 p.m.
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fefe writes:
azzlicker do you not like the truth isn,t very nice is it ???? no as a matter of fact I don't need to be kicked in the head do you ??? and I USE CAPS TO MAKE A POINT IT'S MY WAY DONT LIKE IT OH WELLLLL
I KNOW THE KID WHO SHOT THE PEOPLE IN CHURCH WAS KILLED BY A COP BUT MY POINT IS IF IT WERE IN NORTH DENVER HE WOULD HAVE BEEN BEATEN AND THEN SHOT !!!!!
May 16, 2008
12:37 p.m.
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RickyLee writes:
All you cop apologists...follow Jmac's link at the 12:03 and get schooled.
May 16, 2008
12:39 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
caps, fine.
but at least type like you are an adult and use punctuation if you want people to try and follow your stupid logic.
i mean, you said you had a son... so that makes you an adult, right? type like one, and not like a 4-year-old.
May 16, 2008
12:41 p.m.
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fefe writes:
Denver B you don't need comma's and period's and proper perfect words to make a point you read it and understood it, Did not like what you read so attack me must be true huh !!!
call me names it's ok doesn't change what was said or the facts does it?????
May 16, 2008
12:46 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
actually, i didn't read or understand what you said. i saw a mess of type and (probably like most people on here) i automatically assumed you were an idiot and not worth my time to read.
hell, i barely understood the first bit of what you said in that last enough to form this response.
i can pick bits of things out of your posts, but not much more. mostly because, as i said above, if you don't care to write like an adult then i don't care (as an adult) to try and comprehend your gibberish.
that said, from what i CAN tell, you still had no valid points and were just spouting off crap.
May 16, 2008
12:48 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
yeah, just went back... and i still can't tell what you said all that well. punctuation really helps, bud.
but, from what i could discern, you had no real facts or points. it is more like some crazy rant from point to point about nothing in particular.
again, phrasing your points in a way that are understandable for most thinking adults can REALLY help your cause.
May 16, 2008
12:56 p.m.
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fefe writes:
wow DenverB I'm soo sorry I'm not as smart as you boy what a mind but I'm also not as angry as you so that's the good part. Are you the child cop beater's brother or what ? because I see just as much rage or it this just venting on someone who does'nt even care what you think it's people like you that I was writing about go kick a reporter dude not me.
May 16, 2008
1:11 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
where do you see that i'm angry? i'm actually quite happy right now, and a pacifist.
i was just calling out your horrible grammar, punctuation, and lack of intelligible content.
i don't really even understand your last post.
-b
May 16, 2008
1:15 p.m.
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butch_m writes:
Funny, the little gangbanger is already drinking in the streets at 16 and all of the sudden cares about his liver when he learns that he can take even more money from the taxpayers of Denver.
May 16, 2008
1:15 p.m.
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CaptainObvious writes:
Yes, good point RickyLee--absolutes are hard to support. My point this kid had a choice, and he chose to run, and that was a bad choice.
But again, I'm not saying he deserved the beating he got. That's never been my point. No one deserves that.
May 16, 2008
1:15 p.m.
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fefe writes:
all of you understood what I was saying with or without proper puntuation. What these cops did is wrong wrong wrong and ya all know it , but go ahead attack me this makes everything ok huh !!! enjoyed chating with all ya all highly educated people but have to go now have a good life and thank God you never had to run from anyone or see your children beat up !!!!!
May 16, 2008
1:16 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
and kick a reporter? what?
see, had you made sense before, i might get that reference. i think we might be in agreement about some things here (like that we have a violent and corrupt police force, if thats what you are saying), though again, i am not sure based on your comments.
see, again, this is why being intelligible helps your cause.
and i think you are saying you don't care what i think in that last post... but if that's the case, then why are you responding to me (and not using caps and some -- albeit bad -- punctuation)?
really bro, my whole point on this was to make you realize you come off stupid. and if that's not the case, then you should work to not come off stupid.
:)
May 16, 2008
1:18 p.m.
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oatis writes:
Whew!
What did dull, lazy, poorly educated bigots DO with their spare time before the internet?
Travel to KKK meetings or political rallies would've involved actual exercise, so those are out. I guess it was just drinkin' and Mork & Mindy.
One thing is for certain: without the cover of anonymity (is free speech by hidden cowards still a "right?")the assinine "culture" of the blog would quickly dry up, and ya'll could get back to Scariest Animal Attacks.
May 16, 2008
1:34 p.m.
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CaptainObvious writes:
No fefe, I don't waste my time reading entries like yours. Truth be told, I skip right over them. If you aren't smart enough to follow some simple grammatical guidelines or use lower-case letters, what makes you think I want to read anything you have to say? I don't value the opinion of grossly uneducated people. I'm not a grammar-goon, but if you don't value your opinion enough to make it understandable, what makes you think I'm going to value it enough to read it?
And oatis, you realize of course you are making your point against this blog by posting it on this blog, right? Yeah, didn't think so. But as to you ripping on all these people--well, most of them are pretty intelligent and you can usually learn something from them. And at the very least, it's always good practice to listen to other people with different opinions. But coming on here and slamming the whole group isn't going to get you very far.
May 16, 2008
1:40 p.m.
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indisbelief writes:
I'm sorry. I was watching "Mork & Mindy". What did I miss?
May 16, 2008
1:53 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
Jmac really needs a life, and an education by the sounds of it.
May 16, 2008
2:01 p.m.
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JMac writes:
sheepherder,
I am in possesion of both the former and the latter. I'm doing drug utilization review right now and have obtained my Pharm.D. It sounds like you may need to get back on the grind and further you GED education.
May 16, 2008
2:10 p.m.
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happymike44 writes:
Hey sheepherder
Thanks for your input but I am a person who sees the world for what it is.I don't live in a 200,000 dollar home or drive a B.M.W. I come from the segment you like to call uneducated.Well I just wanted to say I know what the police are capable of.I had a officer arrest me take me to jail on the word of a person.Who later admmitted they lied to the D.A. to get me charged with a crime.So when I am not a fan of the MAN it is to bad.Let me put it this way I do not own a Lazy boy nor do I eat donuts.I am a edcated person as I do not mistreat my fellow man or animals of this planet.I had two parents who loved me and raised me to be a decent person.So I do know what is right and wrong.It is not okay to beat on anyone no matter what they have done.Remember every person good or bad has a family.No mother should ever have to bury a child after a encounter with the police.Just my view and proud of it.I may not agree with how some people are but it is no reason to abuse them.
May 16, 2008
2:48 p.m.
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fefe writes:
hey all you lovely smart people I agree with happymike44. First let me make it very clear I am not a bro how many men do you know called FEFE ??
and I know what is right and wrong to so attack me call me names til your purple. Does not change the fact what these men did to that boy was wrong. And by the way your liers you read my comment's even if it was not written so proper. If it was your brother or son I was defending you would'nt give a Damm about my gramer would you smart guys !!! AGAIN LIKE HAPPY MIKE SAID NO ONE NO ONE DESERVES TO BE BEAT.
May 16, 2008
2:52 p.m.
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RickyLee writes:
bropous, keep up with the oral service on the cops, you're right in their jocks, aren't you?
May 16, 2008
3:20 p.m.
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JMac writes:
ugly_arayan, juden_frei, norsey, skinhead or whatever you want to call yourself,
You are correct in your obervation that "some people" deserve to be beaten, but whom are you referring to in this instance?
I can agree that there are a multitude of skinheads that deserve to have the dog sh!t kicked out of them, do you agree?
May 16, 2008
3:25 p.m.
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fefe writes:
Wrong azzlicher not even you. That's what jails are for. Hey is it me does this cop's eyes look evil or is he blind in one eye we know his mind is blind, but is his eye jacked up too. Hope if he gets some time some inmates will use him for a jumping bag and break a flash light on his body, hmmmmm but they going to enjoy others things on his body with their flashlights ha ha.
May 16, 2008
3:44 p.m.
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JMac writes:
Sohn einer Hure,
Let me rephrase my question to you..... Do you agree that all neo-nazis agree to have the sh!t beaten out of them? I do
May 16, 2008
3:48 p.m.
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fefe writes:
hey oatis really enjoyed your comment properly written and all. By the way I wrote my comments like that on purpose , because I enjoy pissing know it all's off. But thanks at least one person feels the point I was trying to make.
May 16, 2008
4:22 p.m.
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OhBrother writes:
but alas, it seems as if more then one person "feels" that you are a idiot.
May 16, 2008
7:05 p.m.
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happymike44 writes:
The boy may have ran but it did not give anyone a reason to beat him.The boy didn't just get beaten.He got beaten to the point his ijuries could have ended his life.I know how sacred life is.My nephew died in a freak accident last year.I still miss and grieve over his death.So I draw my conclusion that no one needs a senseless death in their family.How many of you driving your 50,000 dollar Benz have had a gun shoved in your face bet not one of you.Bet you were referred to as sir.My ticket I had a gun shoved in my face and nearly got shot.Also was called A$$hole scumbag and a list of other words.So if this cop goes to jail.Then don't do the crime if you can't do the time.By the way I was also detained for giving a homeless man and his dog a meal.So I guess unlike so many who walk by and don't see the truth.I wish I could be so blind it would be so much easier for me.
May 16, 2008
10:08 p.m.
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dirty writes:
I guess according to most of the posters on this board, this cop has already been tried and found guilty...whatever happened to presumption of innocent. Oh yeah I forgot he's a cop, so he doesn't have that luxury.
May 16, 2008
11:31 p.m.
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colo4x4xj writes:
Bropous,
nice comment on what the police should do to kids running. lets give them more excuses to fire their guns!!!! however, that comment leads me to believe you have no idea the true power of a firearm. and commended for marksmanship?? P-L-E-A-S-E! you seem like the kind of person that dreams of becomming a cop just so you can put wads of hot lead in the backs of "teenage gang punks". i hope to god for everyone that lives around you that you dont own anything more than a water pistol.