Polygamous sect buying land in 2 Colorado counties
By Tillie Fong, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published May 14, 2008 at 11 p.m.
Members of a polygamous sect have been quietly buying up property in Custer and Fremont counties and settling in, according to the Custer County sheriff.
"We have reason to believe that they are the same organization that was in Texas that has been in the news," said Custer County Sheriff Fred Jobe.
Last month, federal authorities raided a Fundamentalist Church of the Latter Day Saints ranch in Texas and removed 462 children amid allegations that young girls were forced into polygamous marriages to older relatives.
Last year, Warren Jeffs, who headed the sect that broke away from the Mormon church, was convicted in Utah on two counts of being an accomplice to rape and was sentenced to serve at least 10 years in prison.
He was accused of influencing his followers to coerce a 14-year-old girl to marry her 19-year-old cousin in 2001.
The FLDS already has a presence in Colorado. In 2005, sect members purchased land outside Mancos, west of Durango, to build a retreat for Jeffs.
In the past two years, a senior aide to Jeffs has purchased three properties in Custer County, near the town of Westcliffe. Jobe said that one property is northeast of West cliffe, where there is a good-size community of FLDS members. A house on a piece of property to the west of the town is also being remodeled.
"They seem to be always adding on, building, doing something around the places," said Jobe. "That seems to be an ongoing thing."
So far, the members of the FLDS sect have kept to themselves, though Jobe and some of his deputies have talked to some of the men. "We hardly ever see them in town," said Jobe. "They own their own place. The men do some shopping around town, but it's very rare to see the women and children in town."
So far, there have been no complaints about the FLDS members in Custer County.
"At this point, since they're not breaking any laws, we're just keeping track of what they're doing," said Jobe.
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May 15, 2008
8:12 a.m.
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KelcyCo writes:
Raid them and demand proof of citizenship via a legitimate birth certificate. If they can`t produce one then take the children into protective custody and deport the adults. We do it at the production plants why not here. We know from their behavior in TX that they don`t bother with no stinkin` birth certificate so let them live with that decision. This is not about religion it is about a cult that brainwashes people in order to abuse them. Don`t let it get a toe hold in Colorado.
May 15, 2008
8:12 a.m.
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Coco writes:
I'm just wondering where they get the money.
May 15, 2008
8:20 a.m.
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davies writes:
If the women want to live that way, fine; that's their choice as far as I'm concerned. But I hope the local authorities can find a way to do regular welfare checks on the underage kids. I guess you need 'probable cause' in order to do that, but here's hoping anyway.
May 15, 2008
8:39 a.m.
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ColoNative writes:
Even if this behavior was limited to consenting adults, and even if this behavior was not incestuous, the message to the children is still the same - women are for gratification, children are not family, but the byproduct of gratification, and rebellion in the name of religion is to be tolerated.
Wake up. If religious people are truly serious about defending religious freedom, they would be leading the charge against these groups. Some sort of enforcement of criminal behavior needs to take place. Turning this enforcement into the hands of the government seems dangerous but also seems necessary to prevent the exploitation of children.
May 15, 2008
8:42 a.m.
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rg52 writes:
The women do not always have a choice, they are brainwashed, manipulated, and threatened, all in the name of their religion.
I agree with KelcyCo, this is not a religion, it is a cult.
Growing up in that kind of atmosphere, the children do not know what the outside world is like, they do nota have choices.
If their religion was one that is to be embraced and celebrated, why all the secrecy? They only answer, they have something to hide.
May 15, 2008
8:43 a.m.
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MarcoPolo writes:
Birth certificate? How about birth CONTROL? It's bad enough when underage sex is obviously okay when done in (polygamist) groups.
May 15, 2008
8:47 a.m.
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nicktaste writes:
heres a GOOD idea:
END non profit status for all religious entities
I received a solicitation yesterday from a church in the mail yesterday asking for money, and in the right hand corner of the envelope where the postage goes, it said, "postage paid" , non profit, I do not support our postal system being used in this way.
I am all for freedom in religous expression, but it goes too far when you have a bunch of inbred rednecks breeding like rabbits and raping eachother
May 15, 2008
8:48 a.m.
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May 15, 2008
8:49 a.m.
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ColoNative writes:
Coco - Where do they get their money? That's easy. Limit your wardrobe to two outfits. Spend your cash only on the bare essentials of living. Restrict travel to only the necessary trips. Don't own any electrical conveniences or television. Wash your clothes by hand using well water from your own well. Dispose of what limited waste you have yourself. Don't have cell phones, internet or cablevision for every member of your household. Restrict your health care to life threatening emergencies only. Have your babies at home with unpaid midwives. Don't allow your kids to participate in any organized sports activities. Pay cash for everything you buy. Avoid restaurants.
If you will do these kinds of things, you will soon have more money which will allow you to pay cash for more land holdings. With those land holdings, apply for 501c3 status so that the religious organization owns them.
If you want to see a similar plan in action, examine the Mennonite and Amish communities in the eastern United States. Thier cash and land holdings are equally impressive.
May 15, 2008
8:53 a.m.
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ColoNative writes:
Nicktaste -
Postage paid non-profit does not mean free. Call your postmaster on this point. It is not a free service provided by the post office. It just means that the bulk rate is handled differently than it is for a for profit organization.
May 15, 2008
9:01 a.m.
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MarcoPolo writes:
Organized sports activities, that's it! We're having a Broncos preseason game in Fremont County! Just don't bring Travis Henry...
May 15, 2008
9:03 a.m.
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ColoNative writes:
Why not? Travis would blend right in. . .
May 15, 2008
9:13 a.m.
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ParkHillPosse writes:
Keep these freaks out of CO. If Utah and Arizona want to cater to them, fine. But I don't think CO is in need of freak-show polygamist religious compounds.
May 15, 2008
9:26 a.m.
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rmnreader writes:
We don't want a bunch of dirty old men sex offenders in our state - keep watching them & try to get them on something. They marry these girls off at 14 because if they got any older then they may start having a mind of thier own and refuse to marry some nasty old man! I also agree it is a disgrace to call this a religion - it's a cult that brainwashes innocent children with lies about the "outside world".
May 15, 2008
9:31 a.m.
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Biff writes:
Haven't yall ever watched Big Love on HBO? Pretty much explains the whole deal:)
May 15, 2008
10:02 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
I suggest a little entrapment here. Let them settle on the property. Then raid it and throw the pedophiles in jail.
May 15, 2008
10:09 a.m.
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JonDoe1967 writes:
Wow a little harsh.....Why is it that we are suppose to celebrate the diversity of the GLAD community, but then we attack another group for their lifestyle choice. I don't want or need more then one wife, but I can't believe the hypocrisy of the gay and lesbian community.
May 15, 2008
10:17 a.m.
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Raemid writes:
Raping children isn't a lifestyle choice (at least not for the children).
May 15, 2008
10:18 a.m.
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Scott writes:
The sooner we can throw these pedophiles in jail the better. And toss their lawyers in the slammer with them. Keep in mind that child molesters have a really rough time in the slammer.
Scott
May 15, 2008
10:21 a.m.
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Scott writes:
JonDoe1967,
It's not the multiple wives, it's the pedophilia. Protecting children is not "hypocrisy" from ANY group.
Scott
May 15, 2008
10:34 a.m.
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SLAP writes:
Read the book "Under the Banner of Heaven." It explains all about these sick religious extremists. I made 10 of my 12 wives read it. The other two are too young to read.
May 15, 2008
10:35 a.m.
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rg writes:
Yo Coco: The many wives of one macho-male-chauvinist have dozens of children and, in Texas so I read, they apply for welfare. I could be wrong as I was thinking independence from Spain by Mexico created Cinco de Mayo. I'm told it was battle with the French, who under Napoleon, consistently won, but this time lost. It is imperative to keep tabs on these "religious nuts" whose brand of snake oil victimizes children and makes sexual dalliance a scared ritual. All religious snake oil makes victims of children. Richard Grimes, deicide.
Deicide Corner: “Our country has been hijacked by a bunch of religious nuts. But how easy it was. That's a little scary.” -- Investigative reporter and Pulitzer-Prize winning author Seymour Hersh
May 15, 2008
10:37 a.m.
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joedog writes:
ColoNative,--retricting yourself to the very basics, will indeed build up a nice little savings account, if you have an income to begin with. Pay for everything with cash? What cash? It has to come from somewhere. The Amish and Mennonites make money by working for others, selling goods, farming etc. Where does the FLDS get it's money? I have never seen them selling baked goods, hiring out as carpenters or tilling the soil.Are they all on wellfare? I would like to know where their money comes from. I hope we aren't footing the bill for this cult.
May 15, 2008
10:47 a.m.
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SLAP writes:
JoeDog-- They consider welfare, "Bleeding the Beast." In their minds they are taking money away from the devil (government or any outside influence) and using it for righteous activities. These people are brainwashed....obviously.
May 15, 2008
11:01 a.m.
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unfug writes:
Wnt to know where their money came from? Check out this link to the Deseret News.
http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143...
May 15, 2008
11:04 a.m.
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SeaBass writes:
Look for welfare applications to skyrocket in the counties shortly as well. These people despise the government but are more than happy to get free handouts from it.
May 15, 2008
11:16 a.m.
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jay writes:
fundamentalists and cultists are free to do whatever they wish...as long as they're not breaking laws, abusing children, etc. i'm not sure how holding superstitious beliefs qualifies one not to pay taxes, however.
May 15, 2008
11:32 a.m.
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hikingartist writes:
If you take away the underage brides, the multiple wives and add a little moonshine & music, these folks might just have something to work with.
May 15, 2008
11:41 a.m.
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P_Denver writes:
Jay: "Breaking laws"? What "laws"? They change.
Now that California has settled the gay marriage question other states will quickly follow their lead and that old "law" will be changed to make it legal everywhere. After that, gay men will petition the courts for judicial legistation to re-define what a "minor" is to accommodate their lifestyle. When that happens, all this interest in underage weddings will vanish -- there will be no "law" against it.
May 15, 2008
11:45 a.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
I briefly entertained the idea of joining this cult until I remembered that they only marry within the family.
I also prefer my women to be mature enough to know what they're doing. If your bedtime ritual includes moving a bunch of stuffed animal toys before turning back the sheets, you're probably not ready.
May 15, 2008
11:48 a.m.
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jay writes:
p_denver...the last time i checked, pedophilia and incest were against the law. is it not the same in your world?
furthermore, you can try to rationalize these folks behavior by ranting about being against equal rights for your fellow humans...but that certainly doesn't do your credibility any favors.
May 15, 2008
12:08 p.m.
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OhBrother writes:
I think they should be allowed to live like they did in Texas, as long as they aren't breaking any laws. With that said, the should raid compounds such as these and make them prove they are American citizens, if not legal then they would be treated the same as illegals. I do smell a rat but it doesn't mean they don't have rights
May 15, 2008
12:43 p.m.
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McGowdog writes:
Posted by MarcoPolo on May 15, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Birth certificate? How about birth CONTROL? It's bad enough when underage sex is obviously okay when done in (polygamist) groups.
Why would they encourage birth control when they can have as many kids as they can pop out and tax our welfare system? Isn't this where they get some of their money?
May 15, 2008
12:47 p.m.
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McGowdog writes:
Posted by SLAP on May 15, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
JoeDog-- They consider welfare, "Bleeding the Beast." In their minds they are taking money away from the devil (government or any outside influence) and using it for righteous activities. These people are brainwashed....obviously.
Yeah, that's what I'd heard about those in Texas. If they're doing this, that affects us all.
May 15, 2008
12:53 p.m.
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TC writes:
Joedog:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/17/poly...
Welfare indeed.
May 15, 2008
1 p.m.
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freedomfighter1 writes:
I hope my tax money is not used in anyway. I do not want to support this type of lifestyle through: medicaid, TANF, food stamps or any other goverment program that could strengthen this sect.
May 15, 2008
1:17 p.m.
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elkman writes:
I have not heard anyone mention that this cult also has a compound in Custer County, South Dakota. These people are also part of Warren Jeff's followers. They have constructed 10-ft high fences around the compound. No one can leave without permission, and no one can enter without permission. They bought property that had no water or water wells. Therefore, they send water trucks to nearby towns to get water on a daily basis. This must cost them a fortune. The local sheriff's office has the same complacent attitude, similar to authorities near other compounds. If they don't break any laws, then we have no reason to check on them. Last time I looked, polygamy is against the law in every state in the United States. These people are self-professed polygamists. What more do authorities need? Maybe this is not a good comparrison, but, concentration camps in Germany were bad. Not just one or two, but all of them. There will be nothing good to come from these cults and innocent children and women will be victimized on a daily basis.
May 15, 2008
1:23 p.m.
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Lowtaxequalsfreedom writes:
Posted by Big_D on May 15, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think the tax exempt status for all religions should be pulled. They are just using the law to their benefit and until that law is changed altogether there is no way to stop them.
Maybe we should pull the tax exempt status for 501 and 527 while we are at it?
Maybe we should switch to a flat tax for everyone and every entity?
Maybe we should reduce tax rates to a flat 3% for everything?
May 15, 2008
1:28 p.m.
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seebox writes:
I don't understand the entire process of polygamous lifestyle, but having multiple of wives sounds very enticing. That is until divorce happens. Do polygamous families get divorced? If so, is there alimony? And who gets divorced? Can it just be one of the wives, or can there be a multiple of wives getting divorced all at the same time? That would definately take the ex hubby to the poor farm in a big hurry.............lots of child support. Definately a big downside.
May 15, 2008
1:36 p.m.
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P_Denver writes:
Sorry, Jay -- your logic doesn't hold up.
"Against the law" is just that: against a rule that may be changed according to the moral values of the time. Indeed, incest and pedophillia are CURRENTLY against the law. That is exactly the point I was making -- the law can be changed.
I didn't think of it as a rant, but then you seem to define things according to your own set of rules. . .
I look forward to your "rant" against this post.
May 15, 2008
1:36 p.m.
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jay writes:
taxes....why do you supporting giving religious orgs a free pass on taxes?
May 15, 2008
1:42 p.m.
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usmcmustang writes:
Religion has nothing really to do with the weirdness going on here: A) These people and this group never were "Mormon", thus there is no "Break-away" or "offshoot" moniker that should be attached to any established religion. Warren Jeffs was never at any time in his life even a "Mormon"-a religion that did practice polygamy with women who had been widowed as they crossed the plains in the 1800's. B)The plurality of the FLDS marriages has nothing to do with revelation or "fundamentalism" of Mormon faith-these pedophiles target only the youngest girls, not middle aged or even young adult women. This is nothing more than power-hungry pedophiles trying to justify their lifestyles. Even if these were one-on-one marriages to young girls, we would probably call it human trafficking. One question though: Why is the Government in Texas not arresting the men instead of taking the mothers and their children and separating them? Shouldn't they stay in place and the men be arrested for their crimes?
May 15, 2008
1:52 p.m.
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Scott writes:
As far as the illegality of polygamy, you have to have legally married multiple women (or men) for it to be legally considered polygamy. The stuff that these freaks do is not illegal because they don't go down to the county court house and pull multiple marriage licenses. I suppose that if the State in which they are residing has Common Law statues, then the county DA could go after them. Otherwise, cohabitation with multiple partners is legal to the best of my knowledge.
Pedophilia on the other hand IS illegal everywhere!
Scott
May 15, 2008
1:55 p.m.
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Scott writes:
usmcmustang,
I think that the reason that the Texas authorities have not yet jailed the perverts is that they are building their case via DNA of the children that they pulled out of that hole. I would expect to see a whole bunch of arrest warrants being issued once they figure out which kid was born to who and what age the mother was at the kid's birth. From the news reports the kids probably don't even know who their parents are.
Scott
May 15, 2008
2:24 p.m.
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jay writes:
"Religion has nothing really to do with the weirdness going on "
on the contrary, it has everything to do with the illegal lifestyle these folks have chosen to cultivate in their cult.
May 15, 2008
2:30 p.m.
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fincenMIB writes:
Warren Jeffs Confession part 1
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9fePt8-...
Part 2 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MQoknKR...
Part 3 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u4t1Epx...
Warren Jeffs Explaining POLYGAMY
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fbudqrm...
Warren Jeffs #2 Cont. on Polygamy
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RkXA2Jx...
Warren Jeffs #3 Continued on Polygamy
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JWzXCde...
May 15, 2008
2:45 p.m.
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emcee writes:
Wow... you guys really need someone to hate, huh. Looks like this peaceful religious minority is just the thing you guys were looking for. Feminists, Catholics, Protestants and Secularists can all join together in an underage-sex-obsessed chorus to call for the extermination of this uniquely American religion in existence for over a century. I can think of no greater irony than contemporary American culture seeking to destroy the FLDS church on the grounds that it harms children; talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You people are nothing more than a crazed and ignorant lynch mob.
May 15, 2008
5:21 p.m.
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McGowdog writes:
Good. The Crazed And Ignorant Lynch Mob of Colorado shall run these or any polygamists right out of here.
It's the new fad.
May 15, 2008
5:29 p.m.
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me2 writes:
emcee, there is nothing uniquely America about harems. The Muslims do it all the time. Have for centuries. We are not obsessed with underage sex, those old men in the compounds are.
emcee, how would you feel if your support, even in a letter, encouraged another old man in these communities to "marry" and rape an underage girl? How would you feel if your lack of support for the movement to bring sunshine into these communities caused more young boys to be dumped out on the highway at 16, with little education and no money? That is what they do in this peaceful minority religion. This bastard offshoot of Mormanism.
May 15, 2008
6:55 p.m.
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freethinker07 writes:
It's legal for a man to have 12 live in girlfriends but if he has two wives, it's illegal.
As for the girls being under age, people used to be considered adults at puberty. children knew this. Adults knew it. If the children are being raised to believe that they are adults at puberty, where is the problem?
If there is rape occurring, obviously thats a problem. But is anyone going to state unequivocally that there is no rape or date rape at DPS middle schools and high schools. Remember, children are forced by law to attend those schools. We know that some girls have alleged rape. Nothing has been proven, but other girls have stated that there is no rape occurring.
It seems to me that two issues are being conflated here. One is the age of consent to marriage. The other is polygamy. If you don't mind extramarital sex or gay marriage, then you should have no problems with polygamy.
As for the age of consent to marriage, the age of consent has been as young as 12 in many countries. I support an older age of consent, but anyone who knows history can't say that there is something inherently wrong about a consent age of 13 or 14.
May 15, 2008
8:12 p.m.
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fincenMIB writes:
Warren is a confessed pedophile, in prison for 2 consecutive terms of 5 years to life. He is the admitted leader of the FLDS and the faithful agree he is their prophet.
31 of 53 underage girls were pregnant or had already given birth to children underage. These are not legal wives, these are not common law unions, because the men are already married, over 100 children belong to the jailed prophet. Families are routinely reassigned with out any legal proceedings.
Dan Barlow Jr. got 13 days for molesting 4 daughters out of the Mohave courts after the daughters were forced to write letters begging for leintcy. I knew Jack Cooke of the FLDS and he did 5 years for doing his two daughters also FLDS. You have FLDS Clyde Mackert & johhny Jessop! Judge Steed gave his daughter underage to Police Officer Jonnathon Roundy, but Lucille fled. Lets not forget Rodney Holm another Police Officer convicted for marrying his 1st wives sister Ruth Stubbs underage as his 3rd wife. Marvin Cooke was under investigation for marrying his 2nd wife's daughter Afton as his 3rd wife, is that normal to you? Then in the news 2 weeks ago Ross LeBaron in Cane Beds was exposed by DNA testing to have married his daughter and made 4 children with her.
I could go on all day here, explain to me if you are a pedophile, FLDS, unable to examine facts, to lazy to look at the Sex Crimes Registry or all of the above? If you have sex with your daughters, we as society want to know who you are too. its not because we hate you, but rather we want to help you, like prison is helping Warren right now.
May 15, 2008
10:43 p.m.
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fincenMIB writes:
As for the difference between girlfriends and wives, the FLDS declare these women unwed mothers to get welfare. Its called "Bleeding the Beast" a big ha ha joke if you are FLDS!
Just use simple logic or math, could you afford 30-60 children and 10 wives now on what you earn? They do, how do you suppose they do it? Then do you have a better job than most of the FLDS? Probably so! Those at YFZ ranch are building Zion on tax dollars, they have no time for work outside the complex.
Its pathetically simple how many kids can you afford on what you earn now? Its almost certain your wages are better than theirs.
Freedom of religion if they don't violate the law or use welfare fraud! You guys who think its cool won't mind when the group doubles every 5 years and with taxpayers like you paying for that huge Texas, what is it a HUNTING LODGE? If you think its fair, buy me a 1691 acre ranch, get me a harem, new diesel 4 x 4 trucks, huge log cabins and my own temple!
I have 3 kids and I would be stretching to go up to 5 or 6. We have 2 incomes. We don't drive new cars or trucks. I can't believe you genius's haven't figured out who paid for this. The FLDS have businesses, but not enough to support families this size and half don't earn money while builing complexes in several states. 2 More ranches here in colorado, I want to move to COLORADO now, the new welfare state!
May 16, 2008
7:39 a.m.
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deewiccan writes:
After reading some of the comments on this story...well, I don't see any comments from anyone who lives down here in Custer County.
We move to this county to avoid dealing with knee-jerk, life controlling crazies. We don't WANT to be disturbed by all of the do-right wonder folks who seem to move into this state and have this fanatic desire to have everyone live the same life, in the same manner which is decreed "for our own good".
Until the families that have moved into the area break definable laws, let them alone. What they do in their private lives is their own business - not yours or mine, thank you very much - and personal opinions don't mean a blessed thing until there is a breach in the law by anyone involved in the issue.
Why don't all of you who live down the hill pay more attention to the miseries in Denver, Co Spgs and Pueblo before you interfere with our private lives up here in the mountains? We like our peace and quiet and our privacy. That's why we're here in the first place.
May 16, 2008
7:42 a.m.
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Alex writes:
I am in New Zealand. But what I have learned by looking at reader comments on this site is that the "good" people of Colorado (and in fact the United States) is infested with religious Bigots. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You do the work of the Devil.
May 16, 2008
8:09 a.m.
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CyberHostage writes:
Looks like I'm going to have to "unretire", once again put on my "Billy Jack" ensemble, and use my martial arts skills to defend these people from the townsfolk.
I keep telling them this could all be avoided, if they could only bring themselves to shop at The Gap, and try to blend in more.
May 16, 2008
8:18 a.m.
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ThomasMc writes:
The president burns the Constitution and destroys democracy, and all the media can talk about is how people organize their families? Disgusting.
May 16, 2008
8:51 a.m.
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jay writes:
I never imagined we'd have so many apologists for incest and pedophelia
May 16, 2008
12:07 p.m.
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fincenMIB writes:
They have broken laws thats why they moved from Arizona & Utah. Are folks in Colorado living in a vacuum or you don't read and investigate the news.
The leader is in jail for arranging underage unions. He is still the leader! He fled from the FBI on their 10 MOST WANTED list. William Black with loose connections to the group fled to Mexico, he is still on the FBI's most wanted list! The Police Officer who took a 3rd underage sister in law as his 3rd wife did 1 year in prison on his case. 6 of 8 men were charged in Mohave County Arizona from a series of Grand Jury Investigations there. Dan Barlow screwed 4 of his daughters and only got 13 days. This group ordered the killings of all the dogs in town, PETA lovers be warned! The Southern Poverty Law Center has listed these folks as a hate group for teaching that being black is cursed of god and those at are, are sub human! Does Colorado want to get branded as a racist state?
Why do you think they were leaving arizona & utah, Mr. Wizzard?
Very very simple logic for weak minds! How many children can you afford? What do you make? You know what, you make more than the average FLDS man! They routinely have 30-60 children if they are the elite that was aloud to relocate. Where do you suppose they get there money from? Keep in mind those in Texas are not wage earners, they are the builders of the Zion ranch. If in Colorado, are they making money locally? Don't think so! Are they independently wealthy, a Judge in Utah from their assets 4 years ago, so be creative and tell us all, why we should leave this cult alone.
For the weak minded who can't process logic, how do these groups support them selves and is it legal?
If you can't support 30 children, they can't either! Are you guys brain dead or are you having fantasies about sex with 12 year old girls? Your neighbors need to know!
May 16, 2008
12:23 p.m.
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fincenMIB writes:
What I think it is, is FLDS men trolling the blogs to defend the faith. The women are seen in the news, crying telling their side of being victims, but where are the men?
No rocks big enough to crawl under and hide?
I lived 22 miles from Hildale, I know the former members and the trail of victims. I know 4 of 7 of the new UEP trustees. I know what apologist here don't unless, they are ringers pretending to represent COLORADO. The Salt Lake City Trib blog, Deseret News and the St. George Spectrum have FLDS faithful posting as if it was a full time job. Hope its not at the taxpayers cost.
Why not require these guys to ID themselves, they may not really be Coloradians!
Welfare supported Tax Dodgers, that let their women represent them in public. That Mancos Colorado ranch has a satelite on the roof, Warren didn't allow internet access, did he David! Come on we know who is in Mancos CO. Hope this doesn't cause you to move again you low life baby raper protected by people in Colorado who don't know you as well as I do, yet!
May 16, 2008
12:35 p.m.
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fincenMIB writes:
Lyle Jeffs
Merril Jessop
Willie Timpson
Willie Jessop
David Allred
FLDS Bloggers
You boys have to much time on your hands and need to tell the viewers who you really are.
Rodney Decker
John Lester
Billie Sims
Independents who spend to much time pretending to be concerned citizens.
My real name is Beswick, I hang out with Sam Brower & Gary Engels, we all know who each other is, so lets cut the Sh*t here and be a man, instead of girly men, hiding behind there women. Post your real names and tell the folks which Fundamentalist groups you support.
BE A MAN!
May 16, 2008
2:24 p.m.
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fincenMIB writes:
David
You and I with an audience, its what you want isn't it? Cats got your tongue, oh thats right Cats and Dogs weren't allowed you killed them all!
Let the readers know about the brave men that spend their days and nights defending the FLDS way of life.
I can drive to Mancos if you want to debate in public.
Lets be upfront and use real names, I will if you will!
May 17, 2008
9:56 a.m.
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rg writes:
Posted by jay on May 16, 2008 "I never imagined we'd have so many apologists for incest and pedophelia."
Well said, Jay; however, it appears the apologists are FLDS members not willing to give up their sanctified rape. Richard Grimes, Deicide.
Deicide Corner: “There had never been any renunciation of religion on my part, but like so many people, it was a gradual fading away.” -- (Actor) Henry Janes Fonda
With FLDS religion won't fade away; its harem is too important. rg
May 27, 2008
1:18 p.m.
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CusterCowboy writes:
Here's one from a Custer County resident.
Nobody wants them here. You, MS. Deewiccan, may approve of incest, rape, welfare fraud and child abuse but the rest of us living in the Wet Mountain Valley still believe in most of those things being hanging offenses.
I believe in freedom. In fact I've spent my time and lost good friends fighting for it. What have you done? Freedom of religion etc. is NOT a cover for being an evil, manipulative piece of scum that brainwashes and hurts children and women. THAT'S how the people of Custer County and Westcliffe feel. If we could tar and feather them and run them out of town tonight, you'd have truckloads of volounteers showing up to help. The problem is that we have too many people like our friendly witch that are afraid to take a stand and do what's right because it might cause a rukus. What if that was you or someone that you loved. Betcha you'd want some bumpkin with the balls to do something to "interfer" then wouldn't you?