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Rush Limbaugh has stirred the pot once again with his remarks about violent protests at the Democratic National Convention in Denver this August. While Limbaugh said on his radio show that he's "dreaming of" riots in Denver, he's denied encouraging such acts. Limbaugh supporters take him at his word, understanding his comments to mean that he was envisioning (perhaps a better term than "dreaming of") ugly demonstrations by left-wing radicals in Denver that would reflect poorly on Democrats and cost them votes in November.
Limbaugh-haters have accused him of incitement. Hopping on that bandwagon is Sen. Ken Salazar, who dashed off a letter calling on Clear Channel Communications, Limbaugh's ultimate boss, to reprimand him for a "clear exhortation" to rioting. Whatever you think of Limbaugh, this is silly.
To exhort is to urge earnestly by advice, to recommend, to plead, to beseech, to admonish. The notion that the kinds of lefties planning to strut their stuff before an international media audience at the convention in Denver take their marching orders from El Rushbo is laughable.
No sooner had Denver won the convention "prize" than the usual suspects began planning their activities. This was long before Limbaugh devised "Operation Chaos" to prolong the Democrats' Hillary-Obama nomination battle. If you go to the Web site of the protest umbrella group, "Re-create '68," alongside the icon of a raised fist you'll find a preview of coming attractions for what they call "Days of Resistance - Aug. 24-28, 2008." "Each protest," they announce, "will focus on a symptom of the disease of an Imperialist, Capitalist, Racist system . . . "
The radical-in-chief of Re-create '68 - which takes its name form the bloody 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago - is one Glen Spagnuolo, a professional malcontent and Marxist revolutionary who thinks liberal Democrats are too conservative. Spagnuolo, a Ward Churchill groupie, is a habitual Colorado protester who's been arrested for interfering with the Columbus Day parade. A month before Limbaugh's remarks about the DNC, Spagnuolo vowed to defy Denver law and turn Civic Center Park into a tent city for the convention.
Provoking cops is part of his game plan. This is not the kind of person who calls the Limbaugh show with the greeting: "Megadittos, Rush." I agree with Limbaugh's analysis that Re-create '68's antics will hurt Democrats. If Spagnuolo and his ilk were rational Democrats, they'd put a lid on it and avoid the political damage that Limbaugh prophesies. But they're neither rational nor Democrats. They're insurgents. They know what they're against but have only the vaguest notion of what they're for. This is self-indulgent guerrilla theater. It's an ego trip that gives their lives meaning. It's something they can brag about at the commune when asked, "What did you do in the 2008 convention war, Daddy?" It's the Super Bowl of politics and they're the halftime show.
Rush Limbaugh is hardly the instigator or mastermind. Limbaugh or no Limbaugh, Spagnuolo would be doing exactly this. If there are riots or any violence at the convention in Denver, it will be solely the responsibility of those who personally participate.
In an anti-war "teach-in" at Columbia University in 2003, a radical instructor, Nicholas DeGenova, declared that he wished U.S. troops suffer "a million Mogadishus" in the war against Saddam Hussein. This was a reference to the 1993 Blackhawk Down incident in Somalia where 18 U.S. troops were killed. At the same time, he also applauded Muslim convert Asan Akbar, a turncoat U.S. Army sergeant who had, just a couple of weeks earlier, murdered two of his fellow soldiers and wounded 14 others in Kuwait after throwing fragmentation grenades into the tent in which some were sleeping. DeGenova's sympathizers cited the First Amendment in his defense. If DeGenova wasn't prosecuted for treason, Limbaugh needn't worry about Salazar's letter.
Mike Rosen's radio show airs daily from 9 a.m. to noon on 850 KOA. He can be reached by e-mail at mikerosen@850koa.com.
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May 2, 2008
6:34 a.m.
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Rangerjoe1 writes:
Salazar has done nothing for Colorado except send our jobs away or give then to ILLEGALS. His whining about the convention is typical of this do nothing moron. His complaining about "RECREATE 68" oh wait a minute, sorry Rush Limbaugh shows us all he is capable to do as our senator. Colorado is a conservative state and we have this lefty wingnut as our senator.
May 2, 2008
6:47 a.m.
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Mike_In_Hartsel writes:
Salazar has hopes of running for President so he's beefing up his resume. He's qualified. He lies to get elected and compromises to advance his career while stepping over the bodies of his constituents.
I plan to avoid Denver during the convention. I'll watch the fun on TV. I was in DC during the 68 riots and that was not amusing. Rosen didn't even mention Al Sharpton's threat which didn't upset Salazar one bit.
May 2, 2008
6:53 a.m.
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Gene writes:
Salazar is becoming more irrelevant every day. (hat tip to jay for wording inspiration)
May 2, 2008
6:58 a.m.
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GK writes:
"Rush Limbaugh is hardly the instigator or mastermind."
You're absolutely right Rosie.Limbaugh has no creditabilty at all. Operation Chaos...pulease!
May 2, 2008
7:02 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
Sorry Rosen I'm not buying it. There is nothing you and Rush and the rest of the rightwing fanatics would enjoy more then to see the democrats have a riot. I don't that if there was a way to insight one the GOP would do it.
May 2, 2008
7:09 a.m.
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Froward69 writes:
Opposite of Chaos, we here at control Appreciate senator Salazar. He reflects his electorate, insofar as he is centrist. Colorado Has in the past been misinformed and led down the path of destruction by the republican party. Those on the fascist right would like to see our great state be tarnished by Re-create'68's misguided anger. rush (oxycontin fueled rambler) limbaugh and the corrupt republican party is who those kids are really angry at. once they see chaoses infiltrators causing mischief to insight riots and discredit the Democratic party. they will close ranks with us to stomp out the last flames of right-wing Theocratic fanaticism.
May 2, 2008
7:23 a.m.
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SheikYurBooty writes:
Thanks to Little Boy Bush, we have already suffered over 200 Mogadishus (4000+ dead in Iraq). And counting.
May 2, 2008
7:25 a.m.
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Spencer writes:
It was just the "hillbilly heroin" that was doing the talking.
May 2, 2008
8:07 a.m.
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Michael writes:
Left wing radicals need no assistance from Rush, the GOP, conservatives, or anyone else to make fools of themselves with their street theater, riots, violence, destruction of private property, obstruction and denial of everyone else's "rights", and in general making themselves an annoyance, a public hazard, and an unsightly and unwashed mass of screaming lunatics. They do this all quite well on their own. Please reference any recent G8 Summit, WTO Summit, visit by President Bush pretty much anywhere in the world - except Africa (no Starbucks or McDonalds to smash up there!), and a host of other gatherings and events that these maniacs have disrupted with their behavior.
May 2, 2008
8:09 a.m.
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youngman writes:
Ken Salazar said there will be NO RIOTS.....thats it ..the GODS have spoken...no need to do anything...prepare for anything...I live downtown and we are preparing..but not anymore...Ken said NO RIOTS....I feel so much better.....
May 2, 2008
8:16 a.m.
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Spencer writes:
geez, Michael, do you need to wipe the slobber off of your keyboard?
May 2, 2008
8:20 a.m.
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Gene writes:
youngman,
You will be able to look out your window and see our candidate, Mrs. Clinton, eyes bugging out, with her hyena laugh, waving from the parade as she accepts her party nomination for her anointed position, while poor young Obamamma will be sweeping the street behind her, with Mayor Daisy's daisy blooming in the background. . . . . Peace and Love and No Demonstrations.
May 2, 2008
8:40 a.m.
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JYP3500 writes:
The democrats have shot themselves in the foot, by pandering to all the far-left special interest groups & wing-nuts that come along (see also moron.org, daily kos, etc). What happened to the days when the Democratic Party actually represented the 30-40% of hard-working, honest and fair-minded Americans?
Instead of Salazar firing off letters to Limbaugh’s boss, he should be asking why multi-millions of Americans listen to Rush’s radio show, and why conservative talk radio is so wildly popular versus the liberal radio shows which have mostly failed (other than NPR, which receives taxpayer funds to survive).
It should be fun to watch the chaos here in August, but I’m rooting for Mayor Hickenlooper & Denver Police Chief Whitman to kick butt and take names.
May 2, 2008
8:44 a.m.
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Konyok writes:
Oh, boy. How to wade through all of this without getting any on myself ...
Operation Chaos is not only despicable on its face, it is a profound political mistake. Rush joins Boss Tweed, Richard Daley and Al Gore in the hall of shame. The one thing that all of us across the spectrum ought to join together on is working to make sure our electoral process works honestly. (How many of you who post here have volunteered as election judges? Yeah, I thought so ... And, yes I did.)
When the entertainer Rush Limbaugh calls on Republicans to register as Democrats and cross the lines to cause mischief he undermines America every bit as much as Ward Churchill or David Duke. It only breeds contempt for the system and long lasting anger. (We've got headchoppers out there waiting for their next chance and our politics is becoming the Hatfields and McCoys. Jeez.)
Conservatives are supposed to be, well, conservatives. In part, that means defending our civic institutions, not undermining them for transient partisan advantage. Or, worse, for the next ratings sweep.
As to the convention, in January I booked an Alaska cruise for that week ...
May 2, 2008
9:09 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Rosen: "Limbaugh-haters have accused him of incitement."
Those accusations are based on the very real fact that Limbaugh does instruct his followers to perform illegal activities, like Operation Chaos. Maybe I'm mistaken about the illegality of that, but I believe in some states it is against the law to knowingly switch your party affiliation for the purpose of throwing an election. If it's not illegal, I would think, at best, it's ethically questionable.
May 2, 2008
9:12 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
JYP: "What happened to the days when the Democratic Party actually represented the 30-40% of hard-working, honest and fair-minded Americans?"
Well, you're probably not going to like my answer, but I personally believe what happened to the Democratic Party is they decided to pander to business interests like the conservatives do. A slippery slope that has led to the sorry state of this country where corporate rights now trump those of the average private citizen.
May 2, 2008
9:14 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
JYP: "Instead of Salazar firing off letters to Limbaugh’s boss, he should be asking why multi-millions of Americans listen to Rush’s radio show, and why conservative talk radio is so wildly popular versus the liberal radio shows which have mostly failed (other than NPR, which receives taxpayer funds to survive)."
That's not that big of a deal, though. I would say that liberal Internet blogs are more successful and well known, at least taken as a whole, than conservative blogs. It's just a different medium, although more and more people are getting online everyday.
May 2, 2008
9:26 a.m.
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Spencer writes:
JYP you should really ask yourself why so many conservatives listen to talk radio. Do they need to be told what to think and how to argue their points? It would be interesting to know the average IQ of the conservative talk listeners. Well below average I'm sure.
May 2, 2008
9:32 a.m.
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Gene writes:
Mytwosense,
I sense a cry for help. Remember when you were behind Mrs. Clinton? How did you like some of my better writing, . "Mrs. Clinton, eyes bugging out, with her hyena laugh, waving from the parade as she accepts her party nomination for her anointed position, while poor young Obamamma will be sweeping the street behind her. . " Sorry to be repetitive, but you seem to be probing conservative viewpoints today.
May 2, 2008
9:51 a.m.
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TC writes:
Re-create '68 - What a complete group of idiots.
Unless...hey! can they make GM bring back the '68 GTO?
May 2, 2008
10:02 a.m.
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jay writes:
over the past few weeks, rosie has been a schill for exxon and the exxon-funded heartland institute...and is now doing his best to be a rush apologist.
just when i think he can't be any more irrelevant, he out does himself.
i personally listened to rush a few weeks ago as his staff played the stone's street fighting man, and he said he was "hoping" that this song represented the dnc this august.
yes...that is "hoping" for violence.
May 2, 2008
10:06 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Well, Gene, your narrative is very descriptive...but don't you think Obama has pretty much swept Hillary's candidacy off the map?
I do.
I also think he stands a good chance of being our next president, IF he focuses on the economy. He needs to get McCain in a corner on the fact he shares the same monetary policies - unchecked and unregulated markets - that the administration of the past eight years holds, and have led us to where we are today.
It's easy enough for him to get the discussion focused on that if that's all he talks about this point going forward. The news outlets will try to keep flogging the Wright issue, but eventually they will need current quotes from Obama if they want to run current stories.
May 2, 2008
10:21 a.m.
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Gene writes:
Mytwosense,
I agree I may be 180° off. So it goes. Let's try this, . . . . "O. H. Obamama waving from the parade as he accepts his party nomination for his owed reward, while poor old (also owed) Mrs. Clinton will be aiming for his backside, and campaigning for McCain so she can run in 2012. . " Either way, I as a conservative I am entertained.
May 2, 2008
10:26 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Gene, did you read Dick Morris's latest column on Newsmax? He seems to think she knows she can't win, but is trying to derail Obama's candidacy so she has another shot in 2012. This does not seem to be an unlikely scenario. On the one hand, I admire her dogged determination to win at any cost...while on the other hand I am disgusted by her dogged determination to win at any cost!
May 2, 2008
10:31 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
JYP3500:
First of all the GOP have shot themselves in the foot pandering to the far right special interest groups like big oil who is putting it to us. And giving no bid open checks to companies like Halliburton. And second democrats don't listen to left radio stations as much because we like to do some thinking for ourselves. We don't depend on clowns like Rush to do our thinking for us.
May 2, 2008
10:37 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
dilligaf: "And second democrats don't listen to left radio stations as much because we like to do some thinking for ourselves."
When I'm driving, the sound of some strident voice barking on the radio just gets on my nerves, whether it's a rightwing or liberal talkshow host, a radio shock jock, or yet another Medved commercial. That's one reason why I will listen to NPR. It's straightforward news delivered in a calm manner. But I mostly prefer to just listen to some good music when I'm driving.
May 2, 2008
10:40 a.m.
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Gene writes:
Mytwosense,
Yes, I am aware of Dick Morris's opinion, however he even goes as far as saying the Clintons didn't campaign for Kerry so the Mrs. would have this '08 shot. Don't know about his long range projections. I do know the Rev. Wright just killed off Obamama's chances of getting elected. That's why this is all so good.
May 2, 2008
10:49 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
I honestly don't recall the Clintons' efforts or lack of efforts during the Kerry campaign. So don't know if Morris is on the mark about that or not.
Again, my view is that if Obama can get the discussion turned from issues other than Wright, he can get elected. It's just a matter of refusing to talk anymore about it, because truth is, he's responded quite fully to the topic.
And if I was on his campaign team, I'd frame his refusal to talk about it as "Moving on, not because I don't want to discuss it anymore, but because I've already discussed it in full. Let the pundits run with the discussion now instead of the candidates, who need to show they have a plan for our country's economy and give the voters time to think about these plans, compare them with each other, and decide which plan makes the most sense to them. Doing anything less than that assumes voters aren't smart enough to give thought to such issues."
Campaign speak, yeah, and it needs to be boiled down to about a quarter of that length, but it will show voters that he can LEAD, by leading the discussion on his terms.
May 2, 2008
11:28 a.m.
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Charles_B writes:
Rosen is such a hack:
"Limbaugh supporters take him at his word, understanding his comments to mean that he was envisioning (perhaps a better term than "dreaming of") ugly demonstrations by left-wing radicals in Denver..."
Right. They take him at his word..in other words, they understand what he *meant* to say.
Poor Druggie Rush is such a victim.
May 2, 2008
11:38 a.m.
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jay writes:
you're quite right, mytwosense. if obama can focus the discussion on policy instead of the lastest national enquirer headlines, he shouldn't have a problem both winning the nomination and the presidency.
my guess is the folks on the right now this and considering that they can't run on policy stances and track record, will continue to do everything they can to keep the campaign about anything but substantial discussion of the things most important to americans.
May 2, 2008
11:49 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
jay: "my guess is the folks on the right now this and considering that they can't run on policy stances and track record, will continue to do everything they can to keep the campaign about anything but substantial discussion of the things most important to americans."
True, at least of the far rightwing pundits. But I imagine there are conservatives out there who are getting exasperated with the lack of attention to fiscal issues. And let's assign some deserved blame to the media, too. They constantly focus on this kind of BS well past the shelf life date.
May 2, 2008
12:25 p.m.
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dilligaf writes:
mytwosense:
You nailed it. When the Dems have a winner the real campaigning will begin. 70% of the American voter is against this war and sees where we have gone in the last 7 yrs. It will be fun watching McSame try to distance him self from Bush and still try to stay loyal to his corrupt party. Look how many republicans lost their jobs in 2006. They will try to hang on to this Rev Wright ship as long as they can but it will efficiently come down to the big issues and that is the war, the debt, and our failing social security and health care.
May 2, 2008
12:31 p.m.
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asa_watcher writes:
Limbaugh speaks of his “Operation Chaos”:
"The dream end of this is that this keeps up to the convention and we have a replay of Chicago 1968 with burning cars, protests, fires, literal riots, and all of that. That’s that’s the objective here.”
Rosen, and the rest of you, that's a quote from Limbaugh. How well can you spin that??
He may also be in trouble for his operation chaos in Cuyahoga county in Ohio for advocating voter fraud. Don't know if the Board of Elections will prosecute. Seems to me they have a case.
But....who does Rosen focus on?? Not on good ol' Limbaugh. Hey, Rosen gets his bread buttered by the same corporate masters who bring you Rush to begin with. Why does anything Rosen says about Limbaugh have any credibility??
Oh and the right-wing has to blame Salazar.
and I have a question if any of you can answer it: 1968 found the Democrats in power, Johnson was president and was held responsible for escalating the Vietnam war. Sooooo why is recreate 68 going to demonstrate in Denver and not in Minneapolis-Saint Paul? Are they just being nostalgic??
May 2, 2008
12:34 p.m.
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P_Denver writes:
Rush's "Chaos" efforts have not been significant enough to have skewed the outcome. There was no appreciable increase in voter registrations in any of the states he was supposed to have targeted. It's a non-issue.
The Democrats caused much of this confusion themselves twenty years ago when they created the Superdelegate category. Do you realize that, this year, almost 20% of the convention voters will be Superdelegates? This means that each Superdelegate represents the votes of around 10,000 registered Democrats. If the votes were apportioned by win-percentage -- as most of the Democratic primaries are designed -- the suspense of "who is really winning?" would be gone. The decision would already be made -- someone would have dropped out by now.
May 2, 2008
12:40 p.m.
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dilligaf writes:
What will cause a riot is if the republicans try to stop blacks from voting like they did in Florida in 2000. And I may just join them. This kind of crap needs to stop.
May 2, 2008
1:23 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
"What will cause a riot is if the republicans try to stop blacks from voting like they did in Florida in 2000. "
Like the Democrat party is doing to ALL Florida and Michigan Democrat voters this year?
You mean like Al Gore when he sued to block the counting of absentee military voters since he knew American patriots tend to vote overwhelmingly for Republicans?
Or pehaps like the stunts done by Democrats in Minnesota where Democrats were bribing homeless people to vote for Democrats by offering them cigarettes as bribes?
Maybe you're referring to the convictions of Democrats for vandalizing a fleet of vans that were to be used in transporting the elderly to the polling places?
Bring on the riot. Makes for fun tv watching as the nuts get tasered and teargased for protesting some fatcat nuts. Even more fun is watching the response of normal Americans when they once again say... the Democrats are nuts... time to vote for Republicans in another landslide.
May 2, 2008
1:32 p.m.
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jay writes:
"Like the Democrat party is doing to ALL Florida and Michigan Democrat voters this year?"
actually this isn't even close to being accurate. that's your rush talking, rick
May 2, 2008
1:39 p.m.
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KarlCheney writes:
rickg19611,
time to vote for Republicans in another landslide.....
refresh my memory as to the last Republican landslide......
Rush wants Hillary in the WH, Then he can go after her for 4 years. It gets tiring defending your own party as they destroy and bankrupt America...
May 2, 2008
2:01 p.m.
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peterpi writes:
konyok@ 8:44 said "How many of you who post here have volunteered as election judges?" There's at least two of us, konyok. Election judge since 1988.
Rush Limbaugh's head may be swelled from his pipedreams like Operation Chaos, but he's insignificant. I have to agree with Rosen on this one. The problem with the DNC in August will not be Rush, it will be Glenn Spagnuolo, the rest of his Re-Create (the riots of) 68 self-admiration society, and all the demonstrators who show up looking for trouble. Just the other day, Roseanne Barr said:
"We have a lot of power, and there is a Democratic convention in Denver in just a short time, and we should, a bunch of us go there and repeat the Democratic convention from Chicago, just, like let's cause a bunch of trouble."
Did Salazar phone her? I doubt it.
So, no, Rush won't be the problem. Some of my fellow leftists will be the problem. Why try to work things out, work within the framework, make your arguments peacefully, when apparently it's much more fun to destroy Starbucks coffee house windows (after first getting a triple shot organic latte with soy milk and sprinkles), and dance the two-step with local cops? Why try to get a legitimate event permit for Civic Center Park, when you can just crash and trash someone else's event and drive them out?
May 2, 2008
2:08 p.m.
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Lowtaxequalsfreedom writes:
Lets just pretend Rush yelled everyday, DEMOCRATS AT THE DNC YOU MUST RIOT! He yelled it everyday for 100 days.
Will the Democrats at the convention take their marching orders from a conservative Republican entertainer? Will the hypothetical chants of RL have an effect?
It just does not make sense to me that democratic protestors are taking their marching orders from Rush Limbaugh? A Republican entertainer.
Seems to me that they would be listening to their own leaders like Sharpton, Spagnolo or Write?
Somebody explain to me why Democratic protestors are taking their marching orders from Limbaugh? Somebody explain to me why a guy that nobody listens to is creating such a stir. I mean that is what Dems say, that Rush is an outdated drug addict that nobody listens to. So then what is the uproar all about? Who is listening to him? Why are they listening?
Are Dems really this lost?
I am really, really, really confused.
May 2, 2008
2:13 p.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Lowtax, I believe your confusion lies in your misunderstanding that Rush isn't telling Dems to riot, he's telling his listeners to incite them to riot by engaging in voting practices that will throw off the Democratic nomination.
In other words, authentically registered and practicing Dems have voted more in favor of Obama at this point, but Rush is encouraging conservatives to switch their party affiliation, temporarily, and cast a vote for Hillary. With the goal to get her nominated even though that would be a false nomination as it would not reflect the majority votes of, again, legitimately registered Dems.
To repeat a quote someone made above that was attributed to Rush: "Limbaugh speaks of his “Operation Chaos”:
"The dream end of this is that this keeps up to the convention and we have a replay of Chicago 1968 with burning cars, protests, fires, literal riots, and all of that. That’s that’s the objective here.”
May 2, 2008
2:19 p.m.
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colariz writes:
I'm "dreaming of" the day when the masses rise up in force, storm the newsroom and shut Rosen up for good, ideally by smashing him square in the mouth. Maybe kicking him in the teeth and denting his skull. Of course that could lead to serious permanent injury or even death, but then again, perhaps it might just shake loose a coherent, rational thought from his little brain. A bit of the ol' ultraviolence, if you know what I mean - just for fun.
Now mind you, I'm not "exhorting" violence. God forbid I should urge earnestly, recommend, plead, beseech, or admonish that someone (anyone) please take a 2 by 4 to Rosen's thick skull and extinguish his existence on this planet. No no no...I'm just dreaming of it, that's all. No need to worry.
What an idiot. Rosen is almost as stupid as Rush...quite an achievement.
May 2, 2008
2:34 p.m.
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Dinty writes:
When the Liberal "regular" folks on this forum finally get to the end of their rants, do you notice how they always want to call the other side "stupid" and "idiot"? They really have a way with words, don't they?
May 2, 2008
2:41 p.m.
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Dinty writes:
As a followup, I felt the need to reiterate a note I posted a couple of weeks ago about Mike Rosen: Mike Rosen may be the best informed, knowledgeable, logical, objective, analytical and smartest Conservative talk show host there is. He does, however, have a robotic demeanor, and can be very curt. That is why he drives Liberals crazy. All they can do is come back with emotional rants. They can't beat him on the court. I love it when they try, especially in the press, where he can't immediately rebut them. These are the same people who think Charles Krauthammer is an idiot. Now, he may even be better than Rosen, plus he's a nice guy.
May 2, 2008
2:56 p.m.
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jay writes:
"Mike Rosen may be the best informed, knowledgeable, logical, objective, analytical and smartest Conservative talk show host there is. "
this statement is almost as laughably inaccurate as rosen often is:
http://colorado.mediamatters.org/issu...
"They can't beat him on the court."
i haven't seen any of the far right wing supporters of rosen on this site successfully defend any of his positions.
maybe you're new here....but i smell bs.
May 2, 2008
4:29 p.m.
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firemutt178 writes:
Both Rush & Rosen are perfect examples of what is great and what is wrong with this great country of ours.
Both men provide nothing relevant to society yet both have many followers and make quite a bit of money. But that is what makes America great. If you can sell yourself and someone is willing to pay your price then you can make a lot of money even though as in the case of both Rush & Rosen you do nothing but write or speak an opinion.
And many who actually DO something, e.g. teachers, police, fire fighters, nurses and many others, make far less.
May 2, 2008
4:49 p.m.
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Dinty writes:
Ah, it's Jay. I remember you from the other day, and another topic. I got you into a corner and you couldn't find your way out with both hands. (I believe it was about how Bush sets gas prices.) You should worry a lot more about defending your own positions, rather than whether I can defend Rosen, which I certainly can. Pick a point and lets go at it. You throw out outrageous stuff you can't back up and then dance around doing the rope-a-dope when somebody trys to pin you down on a source. You're all conjecture and no substance. I don't see how you could "smell bs", cause you're up to your nose in it all the time. I suppose you're used to it by now.
May 2, 2008
4:56 p.m.
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Dinty writes:
Jay,
In fact, as I re-read Rosen's column, let me challenge you. Pick a single point in the text, verbatim, and tell me what is inaccurate about it. See if you can confine yourself to the literal interpretation, instead of all the tangents or flashcard thoughts that come into your mind. C'mon, lets play ball.
May 2, 2008
5:11 p.m.
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Dinty writes:
OK, maybe another time. I'm ready when you are, but I've a weekend to get after. See ya around?
May 2, 2008
5:13 p.m.
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jay writes:
"I got you into a corner and you couldn't find your way out with both hands. (I believe it was about how Bush sets gas prices."
lol...yeah...not so much. weren't you the person who was trying to rationalize away the fact that republican policies that have devalued the dollar and destabilized the middle east have had negative effects on gas prices. that was you wasn't it? still sticking to your guns on that one?
tell you what...why don't you choose one of rosen's "oops" moments from the list seen here and tell us why you still think rosie
is "informed, knowledgeable, logical, objective, etc"
http://colorado.mediamatters.org/issu...
May 2, 2008
5:52 p.m.
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Lowtaxequalsfreedom writes:
Jay,
That Colorado media matters is not the most objective source. They will argue with ANYTHING republicans say. ANYTHING. I remember one time they were after somebody for saying bitch slapped. Somebody called them on it because Liberals/Dems have used the term far more often than the Republicans. Yet the insisted on arguing calling the reporter biased and friends. Come on. He sited something like 47 times when Libs used the term bitch slapped. Media matters is just trying to make something out of nothing always. They have bills to pay just like the rest of us. They think everything Republicans say is wrong. Just like Republicans think everything Dems/Libs say is wrong. Just depends where your heart is and where your vantage point is. Media matters is by no means the objective authority on anything. It’s just there opinion. They even go so far as to avoid the truth even when it is staring them directly in the face.
May 2, 2008
6:19 p.m.
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mytwosense writes:
dinty, I'll take on your challenge, but it's basically a repeat of what I just posted to lowtaxes. Quoting from Rosen: "The notion that the kinds of lefties planning to strut their stuff before an international media audience at the convention in Denver take their marching orders from El Rushbo is laughable."
There is no such notion, and Rosen knows it. What he's inaccurately inferring here is that Dems are saying Rush is directly inciting them to riot. Wrong. Dems are saying that Rush is exhorting his followers to create a situation that will then result in Dems rioting.
It's a big difference, but if you want to willfully ignore it just as Rosen does, I guess you, he, and Rush are cut from the same deceitful cloth.
Instead of defending this blowhard's cheap stunt that makes a mockery of the democracy people have actually fought and died for, why don't you ask yourself why you cons are increasingly having to rely on blatant deceit and sleazy tactics to advance your agenda?
May 2, 2008
6:26 p.m.
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Lowtaxequalsfreedom writes:
I am still trying to figure out how Rush has any impact on anything if nobody is listening?
Secondly Recreate 68 and Al Sharp…..ton were both inciting violence and hinting to trouble LONG BEFORE chaos. This is not my bias it is true. I am a connoisseur of all things media and political. I understand chronological order and these folks were pissed long ago.
Finally if Rush is creating the Broker convention which he is not and riots transpire then is it still not the responsibility of the party leaders and the individuals to keep themselves in check and follow that laws?
May 2, 2008
10:03 p.m.
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jay writes:
"That Colorado media matters is not the most objective source"
really? that's weird...because all they do is post the errors and/or omissions of the speakers themselves. are you sure you believe that rosen isn't a credible source on rosen?
May 2, 2008
10:33 p.m.
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kathyM writes:
TC, Heck with the 68 GTO--let's bring back the 66 GTO (much better model year)!
May 2, 2008
10:35 p.m.
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alandavis writes:
A cop shows up at a suspect's house. The suspect opens the door, sees the cop, and says, "I didn't do it." Cop knows he has caught the guy.
It is interesting and dispositive that no one has even hinted at the possibility that the Democrats aren't going to riot. However, there won't be a race riot if the superdelegates give it to Shrillary: democrats have been doing far worse to blacks for 50 years.
May 2, 2008
10:38 p.m.
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kathyM writes:
rickg, The techniques you mentioned (of Democrats trying to squelch votes) are taught at the Chicago Daley Machine School of Politics, whose slogan is "Vote Early and Often!"
May 3, 2008
9:35 a.m.
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JimmyB writes:
and yet, again......
Both Limbaugh and Barr are idiots of the same color. By advocating violence against the citizens of Denver at the Democrat's Convention, they both should be reviled by all, for the putrid-little-pathetic-punks they are.
That being said, the citizens of Denver should also realize, if they can demonstrate a fear for their personal safety, or their property is threatened by Limbaugh's, or Barr's automatons, those same citizens of Denver have the right to protect themselves and their property from these punks and should do so.
My question to the citizens of Denver: will you allow punks like these to cause harm to your city, or will you stand up and stop them?
May 3, 2008
11:22 a.m.
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Brain writes:
Barr:
"We have a lot of power, and there is a Democratic convention in Denver in just a short time, and we should, a bunch of us go there and repeat the Democratic convention from Chicago, just, like let's cause a bunch of trouble."
Did Salazar phone her? I doubt it. Good point.
Nor has he spoke out against re-create 68; I suspect he thinks that they are entitled to their free speech? Of course he seems to think Limbaugh isn't entitled to the same since he has written his letter calling for a reprimand; is that Salazar's idea of freedom of speech?
mytwosense: "Dems are saying that Rush is exhorting his followers to create a situation that will then result in Dems rioting."
Do you really beleive that Republicans are going to go to the convention and insight riots?
If we look at the chronological order of things re-create 68 are the ones implying that they will riot. Republicans I doubt will have anything to do with the DNC let alone riots there.
May 4, 2008
10:14 a.m.
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Lowtaxequalsfreedom writes:
I am still confused. I thought nobody listened to Rush?
I am still confused? How does Rush control others so much that they break the law for him?
I am still confused? What would recreate 68 do if Rush was never born?
I am still confused? Who in the heck gave Rosanne Bar an eat proof microphone?
May 4, 2008
8:07 p.m.
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jconder45 writes:
Rush Limbaugh was just "envisioning". Yeah, right.
Mike Rosen lost any credibility he ever had back in '99 when he spent days defending Enron.
May 5, 2008
9:32 a.m.
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ollie writes:
Is Limbaugh the radio comedian who espouses morality and been divorced 3 times? Is it the same guy who said on radio that all drug addicts should be behind bars?
May 5, 2008
12:30 p.m.
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Eli writes:
According to jay, mediamatters is unbiased.
According to mediamatters.com:
"Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda — every day, in real time."
Nope...no bias there at all....
May 5, 2008
12:37 p.m.
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ollie writes:
bropus, I imagine your other favorite American hero is Roger Clemens.
May 5, 2008
3:42 p.m.
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CWW writes:
I think it's HILLarious! The Hill and BO show, right in Denver. We don't need Rush to create chaos, the idiots downtown will do a great job. I'll watch it with great delight----from out of town.
May 5, 2008
9:27 p.m.
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John_II writes:
"Dems are saying that Rush is exhorting his followers to create a situation that will then result in Dems rioting." - mytwosense
This is really bizarre stuff. Mr. Limbaugh is exhorting his listeners to incite the Democrats into rioting? Am I getting that right? So, if Democrats riot, its Mr. Limbaugh's fault? Or his listeners fault? I don't get it. That comment seems to suggest that Democrats are morons. I am willing to agree with the sentiment. But, you are a Democrat or at least you vote for them. So, in the interest of civil discourse, I will refrain from overtly echoing the sentiment.
Mr. Limbaugh said that riots in Denver would hurt the Democrat Party and help Republicans. Based on that alone, why would Democrats still go ahead and riot? Bizarre.
The switching party thing is irrelevant to the rioting. Why would Democrats trash Denver just because their internal rules are flawed? That does not make sense to me. Did Republicans riot when voters switched to vote for Mr. McCain?
The fact the liberals are more outraged at a radio personality than those who are actually threatening violence is just bizarre. Have you libs lost your minds?
May 6, 2008
6:11 a.m.
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GetaReal writes:
What minds? Rather than educate themselves and form their own opinions they let the likes of Geo. Soros, Mike Moore, and Glen Spagnuolo tell them what to think, it is much easier.
Ever notice that these big lefty orgs al always run by single or small groups of very wealthy people. While the villains of the left (like "Big Oil" and Hallibuton) are publicly owned companies.
For you wingnuts "publicly owned" means people who are planning on taking care of themselves in old age own them, not some small group of rich elite.
Good luck, I hope you get what you want and put "Big Oil" out of business. Then you will get exactly what morons deserve.
May 6, 2008
8:12 a.m.
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rjnova writes:
You have it right Rosen. Rush makes a grand living exploiting the fact leftist Democrats have a history of self destruction. The radical leftwing of the Democrat Party has taken complete control with the financial backing of Soros who is not an American but a European Socialist and America hater.
I am sitting back and will enjoy seing Obama and his supporters go down the drain when the radicals push them over the mountain.
May 6, 2008
3:15 p.m.
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Spencer writes:
Rosen to Limbaugh: "I can't quit you"
May 6, 2008
4:16 p.m.
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MrPeabody writes:
LOL at you clueless lefties who are up in arms over Rush and how according to you, he is trying to "instigate rioting" here in Denver on one hand, then your spewing about how insignificant he is on the other. If Rush is so insignificant, why does every news story about these elections seem to mention him? You'd think RL was running for office or something. Newsflash: he's not and neither is W.
If disturbances occur here it is due to one malcontent and his cronies - he's threatened as much. I have not heard one conservative exhort or encourage riots. They may gleefully hope that Spagnuolo's threats come true but they are not the driving force behind them.
For those of you railing about how Operation Chaos is illegal and/or unethical ask yourself this question: How do you think that the GOP ended up with a candidate very few Republicans or conservatives can stomach? One who is the least conservative of all the GOP candidates and who almost jumped ship to the Dems a few years back and whose most important legislative accomplishments have been those where he has essentially taken the side against the GOP positions.
It is really quite simple and many of us saw it for what it was when it happened. Nobody that was paying attention needed a Rush Limbaugh or other talk radio host to tell us about it. Dems were crossing over and voting for McCain in some of the early primaries. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Dems are notorious for election shenanigans and it is part of their DNA. They wanted to see the GOP saddled with a candidate that would be easy to defeat. They got their wish. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, they are crying foul. Boo freaking hoo.
If we would like these kinds of shenanigans stopped, then ALL STATES need to change their voting laws - especially regarding primaries, which is where this kind of mischief takes place. I'll let you figure out the details of how the laws should read.
Remember this - in our country, nobody can tell you how to vote (for whom) nor can they legally force you to tell WHO you voted for. You may vote for whomever you wish. Anybody who advocates such things or of signing some kind of "loyalty pledge" is against one of the founding concepts of our representative Republic. Voting law changes can fix the problem.
May 8, 2008
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mytwosense writes:
I love how certain people, including Rosen, are trying to re-frame this as a matter of Dems taking their "marching orders" from Rush. This let's the blowhard's real followers off the hook quite nicely, doesn't it? It completely glosses over the fact that no matter how you look at it, if they are participating in Operation Chaos, they are engaging in a deceitful, and in some states, illegal activity.
The poster above defends this by stating Dems do the same, so why shouldn't Republicans?
And this is the party that constantly parrots how they believe individuals should take responsibility for their own actions! What a joke.
But you people keep shooting yourselves in the foot. You're just showing your true colors, and repulsing the greater majority of people who actually HAVE personal integrity, no matter their political affiliation.