CAMPOS: When garbage gets publicity

Posted by John_II on March 25, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So, Mr. Campos, your educated response to something you disagree with is the equivalent of, "you are a racist and therefore anything you say is not true".

Whatever happened to an honest discussion about race in America? Oh, I get it; we can talk about race as long as you define the guidelines. If we violate your guidelines, we are simply racist Nazis and there is no need whatsoever to acknowledge the arguments of those who oppose you.

It must me be so nice to be a liberal in a debate. You simply have to proclaim your disgust, launch racist and Nazi accusations, and consider the argument settled.

Meanwhile, an ever growing white population grows more and more disgusted with the destructive and criminal behavior of African Americans.

Posted by VVVV on March 26, 2008 at 7:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Didn't the Nazis also burn books and condemn speech they didn't agree with? The freedom to say disgusting and despicable things is what keeps us from becoming them.

And just like Glen Reynolds, Paul Campos has given added publicity to this worthless puke. His best retort would have been to just ignore it like the rest of us. After all no publicity is bad publicity.

Posted by Spencer on March 26, 2008 at 7:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OJ and Allen Iverson?? Give me a break. He is a good father. Why would anyone put AI with OJ?

Posted by angka on March 26, 2008 at 7:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The righties hide behind the more candidly extremist ones in their midst, simultaneously appearing more reasonable than their cohorts while subtly enabling them. It's an age-old story, ask Jon Caldara how well it's worked out for him and his GOP "mainstream" beneficiaries...

Posted by Oh_Wise_One on March 26, 2008 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How in the world did you ever get a job at CU when you are mentally challenged? oh....right, you're a commie.
You are associating Instapundit and Glenn Reynolds with Instapunk because why, their names sound similar? You, sir, are a moron.
Look a little deeper and you will find that Instapunk is a satire site. I know this is fine in your world when your buddies do it but try and open your mind.

Posted by JimmyB on March 26, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Spence, it's idiots like you, angka and Compost, who believe white Americans should take responsibility for the stupidity of the slave owners in America's past (even though no living white American was around during that time), as well as being responsible for the current crop of ignorant racists such as the Kluless Klucks Klowns, Airhead Nation, etc.

By your, and "professor" Compost's way of thinking, if all white Americans are responsible for all racist white Americans (such as the idiot "professor" Compost quotes), then all black Americans are equally responsible for all black American racists, like "Rev." Jeremiah White, correct?

Posted by vudumom on March 26, 2008 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The hate filled websites thedailykos and the huffingtonpost are probably okay with Campos.
I wonder what he would call Bill Cosby who has been very outspoken about what is going on in the black community.
This nation needs to talk about race. Obama claims race shouldn't be an issue,but it reared it's ugly head with his pastor and mentor of 20 years.We all know the story.If I hear one more time that this type of sermon goes on in black churches all over the country ,I'm gonna puke. If this is true then black pastors in black churches need to rethink the , let's always be the victims mentality they are preaching.There are always going to be racists of every color and race.There are still many things that this country has to offer everyone.If people of any race do not take advantage of the great things like education,college job training etc... to lift themselves up instead of being told to be a victim,to blame all your problems on someone else,then they are responsible for their own situation and station in life.Stop blaming other people for problems that evidently pastors and preachers claim is someone else's fault.
This is getting old.Get off the my ancestors were slaves and my people were treated horribly train and start doing something with your lives.Stop that train to nowhere.It's over and done with. The question is what are you as a people going to do now?

Posted by JimmyB on March 26, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's one for "professor" Compost, angka, vudumom and even you, Spence:

"YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN

by: George Carlin

I Am Your Worst Nightmare.

I am a BAD American.

I am George Carlin.

I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some mid level governmental functionary be it Democratic or Republican!

I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that way!

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to anything.

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, do it in English.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to.

My heroes are John Wayne, Babe Ruth, Roy Rogers, and whoever canceled Jerry Springer.

I don't hate the rich.

I don't pity the poor.

I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.

I've never owned a slave, or was a slave, I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks and neither have you!

So, shut up already.

I believe if you don't like the way things are here, go back to where you came from and change your own country!

This is AMERICA.

I want to know which church is it exactly where the Reverend Jesse Jackson preaches, where he gets his money, and why he is always part of the problem and not the solution.

Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I think the cops have every right to shoot your sorry rear if you're running from them..

I also think they have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, regardless of what color you are.

..and, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my drivers license. I think it's good..... and I'm proud that 'God' is written on my money.

I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation in the world for the next four years.

I dislike those people standing in the intersections trying to sell me stuff or trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause.

I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents.

..and what is going on with gas prices... again?

I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think.

I believe the American flag should be the only one allowed in AMERICA!

If this makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American.

If you are a BAD American too, please forward this to everyone you know.

We want our country back!"

While I don't usually agree with him, Carlin got it right.

Posted by TC65 on March 26, 2008 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

God, some of these people make me ashamed to be white.

John II: do you actually see the quotes that Campos listed as "up for debate?"

You're disgusted with black people, but not with the Repugs lying us into war, robbing good people (some of them even white!)as Cheney's buddy Ken Lay did at Enron. You're not disgusted by Ted Haggard preaching against gays even though he is hiring gay prostitutes and rolling X.

If a black person condemned Lay, Cheney, or GWB as representative of white people you would blow a gasket and demand a denunciation. What if a black preacher said, "Man, all those white preachers are homos?"

And if white people shouldn't take responsibility for the KKK, slavery, lynching, etc, should all black people be responsible for each other, which is exactly Instapunk says.

Maybe what you mean is that you will tolerate black as long as they behave. If they misbehave...watch out.

Posted by gregorbkny on March 26, 2008 at 8:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This op-ed is refreshing, it's good to see the disgusting tactics of the right-wing smear machine highlighted in the press. We've seen a huge hurumpf of outrage from the right wing about the pastor at Obama's church. Yet, when someone like Reynolds is held to the same account for his ties to someone more hateful and disgusting that Rev Wright, it's treated with a collective shrug of the shoulders and denial. Oh yes, and with predictable slurs and attacks upon those who point this out.

Thanks for the good article, and hang in there.

Posted by Eli on March 26, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

According to an update posted on 3/23 at the end of the essay in question on instapunk.com, "Glenn Reynolds did not link to this post."

Posted by JDoble on March 26, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you, Professor Campos, for standing up to those who spew this hate. Please continue doing so. And thank you Rocky Mountain News for publishing this editorial.

Posted by Spencer on March 26, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JimmyB, why are you attacking me? You don't like AI? Do you classify him with OJ? Are you just a tool?

Posted by phasearth on March 26, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JimmyB, George Carlin did not write that:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbo...

I would kindly suggest you don't believe everything you read in an email...

Posted by DrRick on March 26, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"'[R]espectable' right-wing bloggers such as Reynolds give precious publicity to virulent racists, express mild distaste for such "excesses" when they're confronted with the evidence - and then promote more genteel versions of the same ideas" sums it all up nicely. Thanks to Professor Campos and Mr Greenwald.

Posted by malcalypse on March 26, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That Carlin post was not written by him. Of course you don't usually agree with him but now you do, because he didn't write that crappy piece.

You are a bad American, but only because you make pretty flimsy straw men, because you took the author of that stupid except for granted without doing a simple google, and because you're a racist.

Posted by bluesman on March 26, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow---where to start--I don't know why I let Campos get to me. The article that Campos refers to is reprehensible--on that I agree with Campos. (oh the pain--to agree with Campos on anything) However, as usual, Campos goes way over the edge and makes many ridiculous points as well his usual outright lies. The first lie Campos puts out is that Instapunk is a "popular" right-wing blog. For someone who has read a LOT of political sites, from both sides, on the web--I have never heard of it. He then goes on to call Instapundit "extemely popular". With who??? I've never heard of Instapundit either. The Drudge Report lists links to over 100 political websites on both sides and it is not on there. I've never seen it linked on RealClearPolitics (which has articles from both sides). Respectable right-wing websites like National Review Online, The Weekly Standard and Townhall.com do not print anything from Instapundit, nor do they print ANY article with the ignorant hate of the article in Instapunk. Trying to take this article and pass it of as the "right wing smear machine" (nice try gregorbkny)and the mainstream thinking of conservatives is the height of liberal folly and ignorance. Wish I had more time to take apart Campos and his blind followers--but I have to go to work.

Posted by mytwosense on March 26, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jimmy8, that "George Carlin" essay was not written by George Carlin. Your first clue should have been it's not funny.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbo...

Posted by mytwosense on March 26, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyone interested in another discussion about racial divide in this country - and a more civilized one at that - should come on over to: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news...

Posted by jay on March 26, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"So, Mr. Campos, your educated response to something you disagree with is the equivalent of, "you are a racist and therefore anything you say is not true"."

Surely you're not apologizing or rationalizing all of this guy's comments are you johnny?

Surely you're not denying he is certainly a racist.

Posted by mrfxx on March 26, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

While many points in "YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN" are absolutely valid, George Carlin didn't write it. It was attributed to George Carlin. After further review, this was found to be untrue. It is an internet "urban legend" that has also been linked to Ted Nugent and Rush Limbaugh.The only person to take credit for penning this discourse was someone associated with Free Republic.

Posted by John_II on March 26, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

First of all, from some of the comments posted here, it is my understanding that InstaPunk is a satirical website. So, I do not know if the author is racist or just being satirical. I have never read InstaPundit nor InstaPunk so I have no idea what is written there.

Regardless, merely calling someone a racist does not mean you have successfully refuted the racist's arguments.

Posted by jay on March 26, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

either the words he wrote were racist or not, john...which do you believe to be the case?

Posted by John_II on March 26, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jay,

You seem to be missing the point. If the words were racist does that mean they are not true? If I am a racist and I say that blacks comprise 14% of the population yet commit 50% of murders nationwide, are my words not true because of my views on race?

Posted by Eli on March 26, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

John,
The essay is not satire. You can find it here: www.instapunk.com
If you scroll about halfway down, you'll find a piece dated March 20th titled "The Old Guy Perspective". You'll also find the update I mentioned in my last post and a link to the author's responses to various comments about the article.
I doubt many people posting on this thread have actually read the piece in question. It's extremely politically incorrect, but I wouldn't go as far as calling it racism. Racism brings to mind hate speech, which this piece is not. Some of the points made in the article remind me of points made by Bill Cosby or Shelby Steele.

Posted by Konyok on March 26, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

<Beavis n' Butthead voice \on>

Heh, heh, heh. Campos said the n word.

Not once, but twice. (Albeit sanitized for your protection by quotation marks.)

Bravely speaking truth to power with his transgressive discourse, he slams Glenn Reynolds (who he really, really dislikes) through guilt by association and then grandly exits with an argumentum ad Hitlerum.

BS Bingo!

I'm still wondering, is it a put on? Is it really a parody?

Posted by John_II on March 26, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No, it is not a parody or satire. It is also not nearly as brutal as Mr. Campos would have you believe.

The essay was an honest and thoughtful response to Obama's call for a national conversation about race. If whites cannot acknowledge their true thoughts about black people, what is the point of calling for a one-sided conversation?

I would hope everyone reads the essay after reading Mr. Campos' column. The author is clearly not a racist.

Shame on you, Paul Campos, for muddying the very water that could have quenched our thirst for an honest conversation.

Posted by angka on March 26, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kind of tough to admit that so many of your cherished "conservative" notions of the world rest on a foundation of petty bigotry, eh? Even more telling when you try to weakly dismiss this as "satire," which it obviously isn't, any more than Rush Limbaugh is "kidding" when he calls Obama a "Halfrican-American" or Gunny Bob says all Mulims should wear GPS tracking devices. This is who you people really are, be proud or whatever. Just don't try to claim it's not what everyone can see it clearly is--straight-up racism--just because it makes you uncomfortable when somebody like Campos calls it out.

Posted by Konyok on March 26, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've got to side with Jay on this one. The word is dehumanizing and unacceptable in public.
Instapunk was making the point that it's unfair for African Americans to use a word that whites can't. It's a juvenile point.
Our Professor Campos then compounds the error by publicizing an obscure thread in the nether regions of the internet.
How did THIS essay get published in the Rocky Mountain News?
This is the first time in my memory that the n word was printed in the Rocky. (Yeah, there may have been a mention in connection to Mark Thurman or something, but I'm sure that you can count the number of times on one hand.)
Campos further compounds the error by wasting his *transgression* on a silly argument.
Can Campos really be this obtuse?
He's a law professor.
It's gotta be a put on. He's trolling here and laughing at us.

Posted by Eli on March 26, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Konyok,
That is one point out of quite a few made in the article. Have you read it?

Posted by jay on March 26, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

john you're confused about my stance. I'm not talking about racist statistics...if that's what you're implying because I don't think they exist. either that essay is racist or it is not racist. Either the writer used racist phrases or he didn't. Which is it?

Posted by John_II on March 26, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I've got to side with Jay on this one." - Konyok

What is jay's "side" other than calling the author of the essay he did not read a racist?

"The word is dehumanizing and unacceptable in public." - Konyok

That may be true. But, the point of his essay was to put certain things on the table before we engage in a discussion about race. Blacks have no problem putting their gripes on the table for everyone to see and acknowledge. Yet, when an honest white man does the same thing, he is quickly shouted down by those who disagree with him.

Just because the author says these things does not mean they are true. It simply means there are things he is observing (and many other white people as well) which leads him to have some of these opinions.

Surely, we are not saying that we want an honest conversation but without any of the negative stuff being brought to the surface? Again, what is the point of that? The entire reason we need a conversation about race is because we do not feel like we are being heard (both sides).

I have read this columns several times now and I am baffled as to why it would get published. Does RMN review columns before printing them? Mr. Campos offers us accusations of racism, analogies to child pornography, and references to the Nazis; he offers no analysis or insight whatsoever. And, the RMN published this trite nonsensical trash? Unbelievable.

Posted by John_II on March 26, 2008 at 1:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jay,

You are right. I am confused by your "stance". Your "stance" is simply that the writer is a racist. Well, what a brave stance you have taken!

"either that essay is racist or it is not racist. Either the writer used racist phrases or he didn't. Which is it?" - jay

What a set of choices you give me. Is the writer or the essay racist? After actually reading his essay and not just relying on Mr. Campos' excerpts, I say the writer is not a racist.

Has he used "racist phrases"? Of course. Therefore what? He is a racist because he said the N word? How very typical of the left's language police.

Here is an excerpt from the essay that Mr. Campos chose not post:

"I admire Thomas Sowell, Duke Ellington, Roberto Clemente, Muhammed Ali, Alexandre Dumas, Sidney Poitier, Denzel Washington, Count Basie, Tiger Woods, and Bill Cosby. There are many others but that's a sampling of the famous folks whose courage, genius, character, and achievements I would be proud if I could get anywhere in the vicinity of. The bald truth of the matter is that they're better than I am, and it doesn't arouse a flicker of racial feeling in me to acknowledge it. They have enriched and elevated my own experience of life."

That does not sound like a racist to me. But, it is sad that the writer had to acknowledge this before offering his honest opinions.

Posted by jay on March 26, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

John...quick question, do you think being against equal rights for gay people makes one a bigot?

Posted by Konyok on March 26, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Put it up in bright lights: I'm with Jay.
The word is always racist and offensive in every context.
Paul Campos and the Rocky Mountain News have crossed a line in this op-ed that shouldn't be crossed.
Instapunk is an obscure website, the Rocky Mountain News is a daily newspaper with wide circulation. The piece is hypocritically titled "When garbage gets publicity," and then magnifies the publicity by a couple of orders of magnitude. (I'm sure that Instapunk is eternally grateful for it ... )
I'm not so sure about this much vaunted "conversation about race." I'm even more dubious about the need to put the nastiest, stinkiest, most painful stuff on the table to prod and poke as a necessary prerequisite. I really think that we do better to simply look into our own hearts and stifle the demon within.
There is plenty of substantive stuff to argue about with whoever we disagree with; we really don't need to squabble about who gets to use that word and who doesn't.
I won't use it and I won't allow it to be used around me.

Posted by Jimminy on March 26, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No wonder African-Americans are angry.They've been pawns for the Left for some fifty-plus years.Wanna find some racism? Observe that Lyndon's antipoverty progams have over time damaged African-American family structure beyond recognition through-by law- excluding adult heterosexual males from any meaningful participation.JMHO,but the Klan and the Nazis together could never have come up with a plan so Machiavellian.
And since Campos references the Left's favorite bete noire,we should also observe that the Nazis who managed to escape the Allies found comfortable sanctuary in....You guessed it-Latin America.

Posted by Konyok on March 26, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Eli,
Instapunk isn't saying anything not said better by Bill Cosby, Juan Williams, Shelby Steele and others.
The history of slavery and Jim Crow are real and relatively recent.
I for one will not presume to lecture African Americans about how they should feel about it.
I don't walk around consumed by white guilt, but I do try to respect the feelings of others.
I will debate political correctness, free speech and collectivism with any comer. But, I won't try to minimize what I know to be true.

Posted by Charles_B on March 26, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Defending the instapunk column is idiotic. Period.

"...the following people are n*ggers:

- Jeremiah Wright
- O.J. Simpson
- Marion Barry
- Alan Iverson
- William Jefferson
- Louis Farrakhan
- Mike Tyson

You know what I mean. They hold you back. They're dirty, violent, and stupid."

Why is Alan Iverson "dirty, violent and stupid"? How are Jeremiah Wright or William Jefferson "dirty, violent and stupid"?

In most of these cases the people he calls "n*ggers" are merely in disagreement with his *politics*.

You guys think and honest discussion of race involves categorizing people as "n*ggers"?

In 2008??

Posted by Eli on March 26, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Konyok,
"Instapunk is not saying anything not said better by Bill Cosby, Juan Williams, Shelby Steele and others."
I agree, but I still think that it's unfair to simply dismiss all points made in the article as racism when they clearly are not, especially by the people on this thread who have not read the piece in question.

Posted by Spencer on March 26, 2008 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why the shots at Alan Iverson? Is it because of the tattoos? I just don't get it.

Posted by Konyok on March 26, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Eli,
Quite the contrary, I think that his entire presentation should be dismissed out of hand. The points that he makes are not unique to him and they do not depend on racist rhetoric for their strength.
He has every right to make whatever case he feels moved to make, but he can't plead victimhood when somebody calls him on his offensive language.
This is precisely the conservative ideal of the civil society. We don't need books full of laws, just citizens unwilling to tolerate that which they know is evil and wrong. Most of us know very well that the word in question is evil and wrong. It is not unfair to shun Instapunk.
Campos is probably even more loathsome. He's just repeating something salacious that he heard somewhere else.

Posted by OhBrother on March 26, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

has the composer also written "what's right about black people" and "what's wrong about white people" articles as well? What other race or culture has he completly figured out? I'm glad to see he is an expert on black people and knows the in's and out's of the community. If you are under the impression that all black churches have pastors that spew hatred for whites and it disgust you, then I will assume you have frequented many black churches and can present the names so people can be advised not to attend. If you beleive that black people don't work past 5pm, then I would like to see the data that supports that claim. I don't think that can be obtained seeing how there is no survey available that documents the working hours of every single black American.

If Bill Cosby is higher then Dr. Martin Luther King jr. on your list of "good" black people then I question your logic. If I had a thought process similar to the individual that composed this article then I would assume all white people feel this way and are just afraid to say it for fear we will advise the other 'sleeper cells' to awake and bring down America.

Posted by JimmyB on March 26, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Spence, I'm not "attacking" you, only pointing out that, like "professor" Compost, your arguments have little value.

phasearth, shame on me....I took the post as it was, just as you most likely took the b.s. from idiots like ward churchill (from the Wannabe tribe of native Americans) as gospel. So, don’t believe everything you read or hear from those at (with apologies to entertainers everywhere) Clown U. in Butthole Colorado, and I won't believe what I read on the internet. Deal?

mycalypse, “That Carlin post was not written by him. Of course you don't usually agree with him but now you do, because he didn't write that crappy piece.

You are a bad American but only because you make pretty flimsy straw men, because you took the author of that stupid, except for granted without doing a simple google and because you’re a racist.”

mycalypse, how simplistic, childish and moronic your argument is. If you need to google everthing, (as your response indicates you do) you obviously haven’t a clue as to what real life is all about. And tell me please, what makes me a racist? Is it because I believe a lot of what whoever it was, who wrote the “Carlin” article, makes sense? Then, little one, there are a lot of “racists” like me in this country.

mytwosense: “jimmy8, that "George Carlin" essay was not written by George Carlin. Your first clue should have been it's not funny.”

mytwosense, I don’t believe it was ever intended to be “funny”, but that doesn’t mean a lot of people don’t disagree with it. All you close-minded nabobs need to do is look around and ask others if they don’t feel the same. They may not agree with all of it, but you might be surprised at how many do agree with some, if not all.

Posted by ffakr on March 26, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

George Carlin never wrote that long right wing rant.

Fantastic how the tubes has information on it.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbo...

P.S. Carlin is an atheist. Even if any of the other sentiments in that screed didn't strike you as un-Carlin, the 'praise baby jebus' parts should have made it obvious Carlin didn't write it.
What is it about Right Wingers and fake chain mail?

Posted by JimmyB on March 26, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ffakr: more bs from another left-wing brown-shirt nazi like "professor" compost.

Posted by John_II on March 26, 2008 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"has the composer also written "what's right about black people" and "what's wrong about white people" articles as well?" - OhBrother

That question is proof positive that you have not read the essay. In order to get to the essay you have to scroll past his most recent response where he put out a list of "white trash" which included Pat Buchanan.

But your question is also pointless because it is politically correct to hate or otherwise disparage white people.

The author's point was to offer his 100% unfiltered thoughts on blacks. In a normal conversation, his remarks would be entirely inappropriate. But, given the circumstances, he allowed blacks and everyone else to see his true uncensored feelings.

Any black man can now look at this author and say, "Now, here's an honest man. I should converse with him to find out why he thinks the way he does. I may not like what he has to say but at least I know he's not saying one thing now and another in private. This is a man I can trust. And I will tell him my own true thoughts and perhaps we may come to some understanding of each other's views and our own views."

Instead, the left resorts to the racism card and attempts to shut down the discussion. So, I ask again, what is the point of calling for a national discussion about race when one side cannot honestly express themselves without being labeled a racist?

Posted by JimmyB on March 26, 2008 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

John_II: haven't you noticed the left-wing brown-shirt nazis, who claim to be the most "progressive" and "tolerant" are some of the most repressive and in-tolerant people, when you don’t agree with them?

Posted by Charles_B on March 26, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

John_II:

It isn't the criticism of "black people as a group" that's the problem, it's the presentation.

The entire "piece" consists of a listing of grievances that the author has with black people "as a group"--almost all of them fallacious stereotypes that indicate only the authors ignorance--peppered with a few admonitions to clean up their act "as a group".

When you sit down in a meeting to negotiate with someone and have an honest dialog, you don't start by saying here's a list of "n*ggers" who are "dirty, violent, and stupid."--especially when the list includes people who clearly *aren't* those things.

I'm not calling for people to not talk about their fears and honest feelings about other races--Obama explicitly referenced those genuine feelings that people have in his speech.

I'm saying that if what you say doesn't have a constructive aspect--and I defy you to tell me what is constructive about the Instapunk piece--then you should just shut up until you do.

Otherwise you're just venting for your own sake and not advancing the conversation.

Posted by Jimminy on March 26, 2008 at 9:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Aha!!! Anybody notice how our domestic Bolshies argue by parsing the rules of debate? That is,to yell "SHUT UP!" when confronted with logical advocacy from the right side of the conversation.

Posted by anderson on March 26, 2008 at 9:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Indeed Mr. Campos, why give publicity to garbage.

Methinks, you and a few other RMN columnists just like to stir the pot.

Posted by John_II on March 26, 2008 at 9:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I'm saying that if what you say doesn't have a constructive aspect--and I defy you to tell me what is constructive about the Instapunk piece--then you should just shut up until you do."

The constructive aspect was the naked honesty. It comes out harshly because it has been pent up for so long.

Of course he lists stereotypes. And blacks list stereotypes as well. Obama managed to admonish his own grandmother because she acknowledged that she fears black man.

This is the problem with the current discussion: it is one sided. Why do so many people fear black men? Was his grandmother wrong to have those feelings? Is there any reason whatsoever to fear black men more than, let's say, Asian men? There are legitimate issues that give credence to many of these stereotypes.

The left has placed blacks on such a high pedestal that it takes very harsh words to bring them back down to reality. What the author did was express his inner thoughts and frustrations with black culture. I find that to be very constructive in bringing to the surface many of the feelings that many people have yet are afraid to express.

Posted by reader21 on March 26, 2008 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

thanks to professor campos for pointing out how the racist right gets a free pass on truly ugly and outrageous sentiments.
And thanks to all the kind and gentle "who me?" racists on this site who let us know how very important professor Campos' column is.
Do you think you guys even recognize a racist when one is staring you in the face in the bathroom mirror?

[And thanks to ffakr who pointed out what Carlin has been saying for years: he didn't write that idiot thing.]

Posted by Spencer on March 27, 2008 at 8:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

well we all know what the B stands for Jimmy.

Posted by rjnova on March 27, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I do not know Compost's subject or the blog site but the statements are about as racist as Rev Wright's, which have gotten no coverage from the perfesser. It is impressive the depth of factual response from those who disagree with Compost. They are far more informative and insightful. The teacher can learn much from the students.

Few will defend the writer's opinions except for the right to spue them. It serves a good purpose see the venom there. But black's use of the word n*gger exhibts that street culture is the biggest problem for blacks. And that requires staying in school and raising a whole family.

The really bright guys like Cosby, Alan Keyes, Sowell, Connerly and the many others are the salvation for the black community but they get very little coverage because they are not socially convergent with the liberal cause.

Posted by JimmyB on March 27, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ouch. Spence, that hurts. I'm going to tell your mommy that you're being mean to me.

"Bad", "Bastard", "Bummer", etc........whatever you "think" it means, I've been called it all so, what you, "professor" Compost and the rest of the left-wing brown-shirt nazi "think" matters little. You small-minded mean-spirited bullies must call me anything you want, since you don't know what I stand for. What you don't know, you can always make something up, like "professor" Compost.

But then, Spence, taking your posts at face value, "thinking" is not a priority with you, is it?

Posted by Spencer on March 27, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jimmy, I don't know if it is just willful ignorance on your part but with all of your inaccurate statements I was going for "bullsh*t"

Posted by outrider on March 27, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Vice-a-verse-a

Does it make some Blacks ashame to be Black?

Or do they have no shame?

Posted by JimmyB on March 27, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good one, Spence. Did you google that one?

Since it's obvious you haven't thought your response through and can't back up your rant (that all of my statements are "inaccurate") with any provable facts, like the ignorant little left-wing brown-shirt nazi you show yourself to be with your insippid comments, I'll just have to take your posting for the trype they are.

Posted by OhBrother on March 27, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

John II- If it was politicaly correct to "hate or otherwise disparage white people" then why would rev. Wright and Obama be cathcing so much flak? If you are correct then everyone would disregard those comments as they came from a black person, right?hmmm maybe becuase that's only true in your world were the white man is placed so low while black people are placed upon a "pedestal".

Your response was pointless.

I never stated he didn't have a right to his opinion or that the essay shouldn't be printed. I never stated that he isn't speaking honestly about his perception of black people as a whole, plenty of people feel like he does and just don't say it. I never asked if he listed white people he deemed as "trash" in this essay, I asked if he has an essay entitled " what's wrong with white people" or was there any other race he has compleltly figured out?

you don't have to agree with me, really that's not a problem. I never called anyone a racist, I'm not attempting to "shutdown" a racial conversation and being labled as "far left" for asking questions shows how willing you are to really discuss this matter

Posted by ignatov on March 27, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama tries to engage us in an examination of our racial divide and this disgusting eruption ensues, precisely illuminating Obama's point. Perhaps this is the pain of a scab being ripped away, that the social wound may finally heal.

I hope I'm not being too much of a ignorant, brown-shirt Nazi by expressing my feelings.

Posted by OhBrother on March 27, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"The left has placed blacks on such a high pedestal that it takes very harsh words to bring them back down to reality"

really? Harsh words are the ONLY thing that brings people back down to "reality"? and that's the way to have an open and honest adult discussion per -John II, good insight.

I have no problem addressing fears, problems and perception, but if you plan on doing so by degrading me with harsh and foul language then the outcome probaly won't be to your liking

Posted by John_II on March 27, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"then why would rev. Wright and Obama be cathcing so much flak? If you are correct then everyone would disregard those comments as they came from a black person, right?" - OhBrother

The flak has largely been minor compared to the flak a white man would get if he had a pastor who lambasted blacks and had a white nationalist ideology.

Could you imagine the flak if McCain had a close 20 year tie with a white nationalist priest who ranted that blacks were out to poison and destroy the white man and that God should damn America because of the way black people behave in this country? Could you imagine the response to such a scenario? Blacks would take to the streets; the press would call for his resignation; Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would call for McCain's head.

Could you imagine what the response would be to a McCain speech where he attempted to excuse his white nationalist priest because we cannot know what experiences led to the priest's ideology of hate? Could you imagine the response to McCain's claim that even though he knew this priest for 20 years, he never heard talk of his extreme white nationalist views?

Obama is getting off easy. The fact that he can sidestep the entire issue by giving a poetic yet meaningless and irrelevant speech that brings tears to the eyes of liberals like Tina Griego is very telling as to the gullibility of Obama supporters.

"Obama tries to engage us in an examination of our racial divide and this disgusting eruption ensues, precisely illuminating Obama's point." - ignatov

Was Obama's point that whites cannot honestly express their views about blacks because of the fear of being labeled a racist?

Posted by John_II on March 27, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"really? Harsh words are the ONLY thing that brings people back down to "reality"? and that's the way to have an open and honest adult discussion per -John II, good insight." - OhBrother

You inserted the word "only". I did not say "only". I am not waving this essay around as the quintessential method of expressing racial frustrations. In fact, I never would have read the essay if Mr. Campos had not publicized it in a column entitled "When garbage gets publicity".

Mr. Campos chose this obscure little essay to rest his case of white racism on. The problem is that the essay provided much more insight and thoughtfulness than Mr. Campos' response. So, if this is where Mr. Campos chooses to do battle, I'll meet his challenge. He tried to scare folks with selected excerpts and bad words. He purposely left out excerpts where the writer lauded blacks. The essay was harsh but not racist. The writer was vulgar but honest.

Mr. Campos managed to make over-the-top analogies with child pornography, racists accusations, and Nazi references. But, Mr. Campos offered no depth of thought or analysis. He gave publicity to something that he supposedly did not want to have publicity. But, thanks to his trite little column, I am now aware of an obscure website called InstaPunk.

Methinks Mr. Campos is more concerned about his own publicity than InstaPunk's.

Posted by Spencer on March 27, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JimmyBullsh*t, I was referring to your whole gaffe about George Carlin

Posted by OhBrother on March 27, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't care about Mr. Campos -John II- and you still seem to have missed my point entirely. The reaility in which you based your response is filled with "if" and "could you imagine". I never asked what the case would be if a white pastor said racsist remarks, I'm dealing with the actual situation. You stated that it is now PC to "hate or otherwise disparage white people" and that is not the case given the example I provided. If that is your opinon, I'm fine with that, but you chose to pick a-part my comment and state things which are false.

You make very valid points good sir but when you confuse your perception of things with actual reaility it's difficult to have a productive conversation.

Posted by JimmyB on March 27, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Poor, poor, ignorant little Spence. Does ums need a nap and him’s bottle?

You're just now getting around to what was pointed out to me by so many other left-wing brown-shirt nazis yesterday? Do you even bother to read the posts in this blog before you show your lack of intelligent thought? Damn, you're slow.

So what if I was mistaken (unlike you, at least I admit my mistakes, hell, I even voted for Carter for that matter) when I thought Carlin wrote it? That's no biggie. It doesn't matter who wrote it, I still believe most of what it says (which, unfortunately for you and the rest of your fellow left-wing, brown-shirt nazis, is my right), and if you believe I'm one of "only a few", more's the pity for you and your fellow left-wing, brown-shirt nazis.

If it bothers so many of you left-wing, brown-shirt nazis for what Carlin to claims ownership of, take it up with him.

Spence, from what I can tell, by your childish grasp of the English language, you believe whatever you want and to hell with everyone who doesn't belive as you do (that's your right), even if its the usual garbage spewed forth by "professor" Compost.

Posted by Spencer on March 27, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So now you are blaming George Carlin for your gaffe? Priceless (or should I say clueless?)

Posted by bassman on March 27, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why has Obama been reluctant to speak about race, until now? Because,his very candidacy is a manifest repudiation of the Dems sacred cow-the race card. If America were really fundamentally rascist, how could Obama become the leading candidate for the Dems. Because only Republicans are rascist? Please. Obama doesn't want to discuss the egregious double standard on race. Affirmative action is the only institutionalized rascism I can think of. Yes, rascism exists but, just imagine if McCain had said "typical black people". He would have been forced to quit the next day. But a black candidate says this and it's not a rascist generalization. Please.

Posted by JimmyB on March 27, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"So now you are blaming George Carlin for your gaffe? Priceless (or should I say clueless?)"

What a pitiful attempt at a come-back.

Is that the best you can do?

I see you chose to ignore my admitting my mistake about Carlin, and you can lie by saying I’m blaming my “gaffe” on him, that’s ok.

I know it’s easy for a left-wing brown-shirt nazi, such as you, to ignore facts and spout lies. Your responses in this blog show you to be quite practiced at it.

Posted by Spencer on March 27, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"If it bothers so many of you left-wing, brown-shirt nazis for what Carlin to claims ownership of, take it up with him."

I realize your grammar is poor but aren't you trying to say Carlin claimed ownership of that moronic essay? I don't own any brown shirts. Fascism belongs to all the righties parading around and supporting an unnecessary war.

Posted by JimmyB on March 27, 2008 at 2:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Spence, you're sooooooo cute, what with your choice of ignorance, which makes you sooooooo stupid, as you choose not to learn.

“IGNORANCE by chance, where an individual doesn't have the means, or opportunity to learn, doesn’t make an individual stupid. STUPIDITY results when a person has both means and opportunity, but chooses not to learn.” Anonymous

Like the true left-wing brown-shirt fascist you are, you choose to disregard my admitting of my mistakes, but don't worry, I won't forget yours; and, yes, Carlin (falsely) did claim responsibility for the article I mistakenly attributed to him. Again, read the posts to the blog before you stupidly answer.

In the mean time: fascism doesn't care about party lines, as you well know. Left-wing brown-shirt fascists, like you, prove my point. It doesn't matter if you support the war in Iraq, started by Duhbya, or the one continuing in Bosnia (started over 8 years ago), by Slick Willie (“I never received my draft notice.” and “I never had sexual relations with that woman!”) Clinton

I can tell from your petty, juvenile comments you’ve never been in one, so let me tell you from experience, it doesn’t matter who starts it, war sucks. I know. Your "progressive" president LBJ sent me (along with hundreds of thousands of others) to the one Duhbya and Slick Willie dodged.

You can’t win this argument, so why try?

Posted by Spencer on March 27, 2008 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

you're right jimminy, no sense sparring with an idiot. You compared Bosnia to Iraq, LOL

Posted by skyh on March 27, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The initial group of repsonses to this article all seem to be from an odious collection of puerile, racist, Rush Limbaugh clones (actually, they make Rush Limbaugh sound like the Dalai Lama by comparison - except that the latter's English is better).

Please don't dignify their insane trash with any attempt to engage them in rational debate, or to correct their (total absence of) logic and outrageous distortions. The tenor or their posts makes it quite clear that these are not the kind of people who are interested in truth or reason - their sole motivation seems to be the vicious smearing of "commies" (their term for anyone to the left of the Ku Klux Klan).

Posted by JimmyB on March 27, 2008 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Spence, like a good little left-wing brown-shirt fascist, you believe it's ok for a "progressive" president to start a war.

Damn, you are stupid, aren't you.

Posted by whograbdmyass on March 27, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I noticed that some on this thread have somewhat berated the original writer for lumping Wright and Iverson into his list of "n*****s". However, I have seen noone berating the writer for lumping Mike Tyson or O.J. into the same category. Could it be that some, or even most, of the posters on either side of the issue might agree with some of the writers list?

Posted by JimmyB on March 27, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Spence, it was fun, but I have to go. We'll get it on again, soon.

And by they way, I don't equate Bosia with Iraq. I do, however, equate JFK's and LBJ's Vietnam with Iraq. Republi-con or Dummycrat, it doesn't matter who starts one, war still sucks.

Posted by JimmyB on March 27, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

skyh: isn't that a little like the pot calling the kettle, black?

Posted by OhBrother on March 27, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

whograbdmyass-nobody awnsered becuase OJ and Mike Tyson are idiots, if you would rather they publicy be deemed nig***s then that's yours ( and whoever wrote the essay ) opinion.

I personaly care less about either one, I never woried about there "private" lives. Tyson was a boxing champ and OJ was a great running back. They both obviously lack a large # of brain cells but niether one ever claimed to be amazingly inteligent. If I looked for guidence on how to live my life from boxing and football players then I would be the real dummy.

Tyson has served his time and OJ is going to. You can blame there actions on the entire black community if you would like but I don't think that will really change there perception as R-tards

Posted by whograbdmyass on March 27, 2008 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OhBrother:

I think you may have missed my point, maybe because I never really stated it. I was simply trying to provide some food for thought. It seems to me that posters on this thread were cherry picking three of the seven names on the list to defend. That realization, reminded me of an abhorrent phrase that I, and no doubt you, have probably heard many, many times. The phrase is "there are blacks and there are n*****s. I'm not saying that my perception is correct or incorrect. All i'm saying is that I find it rather convenient to defend only three of the names on the list, but not the other four as to being placed in the n****r category.

Posted by John_II on March 27, 2008 at 9:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That is a good point, whograbdmyass. Is the outrage over merely saying the N word or is the outrage over who really is a n****** and who is just black?

By the way, the issue of blacks and n****** was eloquently dealt with by Chris Rock in his Never Scared stand-up act. That black man had no problem making the distinction between blacks and n******. And his mostly black audience applauded him.

Posted by John_II on March 27, 2008 at 9:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"'Now, I see some black people looking at me: "Man, why you gotta say that? Why you gotta say that - it ain't us, it's the media. It ain't us, it's the media. The media has distorted our image to make us look bad, why must you come down on us like that, brother? It ain't us, it's the media." Please, cut the f****** s***, okay. Okay? Okay? When I go to the money machine tonight, alright, I ain't looking over my back for the media: I'm looking for niggas!'" - Chris Rock (black comedian)

"According to an article written by Hakeem Anderson [3] A Nigga is someone who does not take care of their kids, does not value their freedom and is disrespectful to their women and their community. A Nigga can be found in any prison, rap video or street corner. In contrast a Black Person is someone who values his community his family and his country. A Black Person can be found at any job site, little league baseball game or Church. A Black Person will never ask for a reward for doing what is right only respect."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niggas_v...

Posted by epaminondas on March 31, 2008 at 4:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As I read this article I knew, somehow, that the first racist to post something would be John_II. He claims not to like PC but yet it seems he has nothing better to do other than keep coming back to this page to write his ridiculous comments. I'm sure no one likes him in the real world either but he could still go out and try to get a life (I hope). Do not bother aiming your responses at me John_II, I will never read them. See, I do enjoy to do things other than to engage in pointless debates with frustrated losers.

Posted by Gene on March 31, 2008 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I may have recommended this book before;
Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning
by Jonah Goldberg