'Fight club' case may grow
Boulder police studying video for new suspects
By John Aguilar , Daily Camera
Published March 14, 2008 at 7:21 a.m.
Updated March 15, 2008 at 12:03 a.m.
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A video of Fairview High School students fighting was posted on MySpace. To see the video of a suspected "fight club" outside the South Boulder Recreation Center, go to dailycamera.com.
Photo by Tyler Walton / Daily Camera
Fairview High School sophomores Chelsea Gibson and Corey Tocher talk Friday about a suspected "fight club" that was broken up this week at their school.
Photo by Myspace.Com
A video of Fairview High School students fighting was posted on MySpace. To see the video of a suspected "fight club" outside the South Boulder Recreation Center, go to dailycamera.com.
Photo by Tyler Walton / Daily Camera
Fairview High School sophomores Chelsea Gibson and Corey Tocher talk Friday about a suspected "fight club" that was broken up this week at their school.
An Internet video showing two fistfighting Fairview High School students is being examined by police for clues as to whether a suspected "fight club" at the school is bigger than initially thought.
So far, 11 students, ranging in age from 15 to 17, have been ticketed on suspicion of public brawling. Boulder police spokeswoman Sarah Huntley said a 12th boy is expected to be ticketed Monday.
"We're looking at the video to see if we can identify other kids who we may not be aware of," Huntley said Friday. "But we're fairly confident that we have the 12 students who were at the core of this."
Brawling, a municipal ordinance violation, can result in 90 days of jail time and up to a $1,000 fine.
The fight footage, posted Feb. 25 to a video section of the MySpace social-networking site, shows two boys punching each other full-force in the face as a circle of students stands and watches.
One of the boys is dropped to the ground twice and punched forcefully and successively in the face and head the second time he goes down.
Huntley said police have confirmed the video is of a fight between Fairview students, which they said they believe is one in a series of standoffs organized by students.
She said investigators believe the bouts were a fairly regular occurrence among a group of friends - typically held in a field near the South Boulder Recreation Center - and most often on Wednesdays and Fridays after school.
Investigators have not determined how many fights there were, Huntley said.
The organized brawls came to the attention of school officials when a teacher broke up a faceoff March 6.
Chelsea Gibson and Corey Tocher, both sophomores at Fairview, said they were among a group of about 70 students who witnessed two fights held on the same day in late February. The 16-year-olds said the students doing the fighting were friends and that the spectators lined up behind one contestant or the other "depending on who your friend is."
"It was all in good spirits," Tocher said Friday. "It was like a boxing match."
Gibson and Tocher said the fights were most likely the result of boredom on the part of the students, who they said were all sophomores. "Or they were trying to be a hero or act cool," Tocher said.
Katie Dienstbier, a Fairview senior, said she had heard about the fights but had never seen one. She said the school's decision to suspend some of the students was "a little bit overdone."
"It's guys being guys," Dienstbier said.
But Briggs Gamblin, a spokesman for the Boulder Valley School District, said district officials take the matter seriously.
"No-holds-barred, bare-knuckled fighting between kids of differing sizes during their developmental stages . . . I can't imagine there are parents who would sanction such activity," he said. "There's a real lack of judgment and a real lack of maturity here."
Even though the fighting took place off school grounds, he said it still violates district policy.
He said it's up to Fairview Principal Donald Stensrud to decide what sort of schoolwide action he might want to take to impart the message that fight clubs are unacceptable. On Friday, Stensrud said he's still considering how to deal with spectators at the fights.
"We're still looking at the videotape, trying to identify people," Stensrud said. "There are some students who were very much encouraging the fighting. We're not letting it go."
He said school officials have identified some of those who stood by and watched the fights, and punishments for them - and the fighters - could range from corrective counseling to suspensions. Expulsions are not likely for anyone involved, Stensrud said.
At the very least, Gamblin said it is worth considering what children are exposed to on television and the Internet and how that might influence their sense of what is acceptable or legitimate behavior.
Camera staff writer Heath Urie contributed to this report.
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March 14, 2008
8:17 a.m.
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Meatwallet writes:
The first rule of fight club is you do not talk about fight club....
March 14, 2008
8:28 a.m.
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OhBrother writes:
The 2nd rule of fight club is you don't let your debate teacher bust up your fight club ring
March 14, 2008
8:49 a.m.
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robert29b writes:
Rather them have a fight club than to knife and shoot each other (which seems to be the norm nowdays)
March 14, 2008
9:20 a.m.
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kathyM writes:
The 3rd rule of fight club is not to hold it in an open, public field! (Duh.)
March 14, 2008
9:21 a.m.
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CWW writes:
Aw, poor Boulder. For all their PC, nanny indoctrination, they can't keep adolescent boys from fighting. Get the shrinks, the counselors, sing kumbayah all you want--it won't change human nature.
March 14, 2008
10:27 a.m.
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BroncoRick69 writes:
Ha. Whats the worst thing that could happen? A couple of missing teeth?
I understand that its inappropriate behavior, and I wouldn't want to have to replace my kids teeth because of this. But the kids would obviously know when to stop. They aren't trying to kill each other. Dead club members just aren't the same. Cheering at a fight isn't all that bad either. Its the same as cheering for any other kind of competitive sport. It's simply human nature.
March 14, 2008
10:27 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
What house do I go to; how long is the average wait on the porch? I don't want to go to therapy and hug any sweaty fat guys, with "bitch-tit", named Bob! Other than that, I kind of like the idea. Better than spray paint and drugs; good clean wholesome fun. This is the best thing that could ever take hold in Boulder; it could go a long way in changing thier pantywaist image.
March 14, 2008
10:31 a.m.
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AWM writes:
What a shocker!! It's silver spoon fed brats like this that end up beating up tranisents for the thrill. Too bad their parents were too busy hugging trees and saving the prarie dogs rather than teaching their kids right from wrong and to appreciate what they have.
March 14, 2008
10:42 a.m.
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glycerine831 writes:
Why do all of these comments end up with ignorant people bashing Boulder or blaming politics. Stick to the story! This has nothing to do with tree-hugging or hippies. Get an education.
March 14, 2008
10:44 a.m.
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EastVail writes:
I want you to hit me as hard as you can.
March 14, 2008
10:47 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Yeah, we're as ignorant as hanging penises in a public library, while harrassing a legal strip club for not serving enough tofu to please prima donnas. Boulder is a signpost on the road to Sodom, it's all image. If America ever builds a Tower of Babel, it will be in Boulder.
March 14, 2008
10:49 a.m.
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glycerine831 writes:
I rest my case.
March 14, 2008
11:39 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
You're right glycerine831, I should get an education. However even that is a travesty in Boulder. Boulder has become a national blackeye for the state of Colorado. From law enforcement to education, they have done nothing, but embarrass the rest of this states residents. Sorry, I guess we see Boulder quite differently. Take an online survey and I'll rest my case.
March 14, 2008
11:41 a.m.
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TheVentilator writes:
" Do you want to go in there and finish it off"
March 14, 2008
12:08 p.m.
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Theoldguy writes:
As the guy holds his hand in front of his face he says, "I'll bet you can't hit my hand before I move it."
Imagine this....Future CU grads in the making.
March 14, 2008
12:08 p.m.
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JB writes:
It's funny now how any story with a Boulder dateline causes such a "Boulder bashing stir." It's funny that the median income in Boulder is significantly higher than here in Denver or our outlying cow-town suburbs. Also funny that the percentage of degreed people is higher there too... perhaps we are seeing a little redneck envy, but I digress.
As to this story. I'm not sure what the big deal is. To me it seems like an informal, no pads boxing match. Those who cheered are watching a sport. I certainly won't be participating, but if that's what these kids want to do to get some excersize, at least they aren't sitting inside playing video games or putting coke up their noses.
March 14, 2008
12:20 p.m.
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Scott writes:
It seems that JB needs to make up for a lack in self esteem. To counter us humans from bashing Boulderites, he in turn bashes us "rednecks".
Book learning (e.g. MA, Ph D, etc) is NOT equal to common sense. The komrades in the Peoples Republic and the stoned out faculty at Coke U. prove that every day.
Scott
March 14, 2008
12:25 p.m.
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JB writes:
Scott-
I won't just bash rednecks...I'll bash any ignorant person. And that "book learning" seems to do pretty well for their pocket books too. If you don't like it -- don't go to Boulder.
March 14, 2008
12:47 p.m.
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buffsblg writes:
No story even mentioning Boulder is complete without a comment from scott with his "i don't need no learning" attitude and his deep logic that always includes some childish name calling. He likely has never been to Boulder and the only conversation he ever had with a professor was to ask if he wanted fries with that burger.
Yes teenage boys will fight and grownups will try to control it. Happens a lot of places, although likely less organized than this. I am sure that no one who intends to go to CSU or UNC or to join Scott working at the drive through ever fought. But no it is Boulder so it is all about bashing the town and the University that actually has nothing to do with it.
March 14, 2008
12:48 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Degreed? How about educated beyond thier intellegence. I did like the plagurism of intelligence though.
March 14, 2008
1:07 p.m.
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nowhearthis writes:
Fourth rule of fight club: when writing, try not to spell all the big words wrong.
March 14, 2008
1:09 p.m.
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Shaupeen writes:
"Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy sh[$]t we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off."
-Tyler Durden
March 14, 2008
1:10 p.m.
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vudumom writes:
Fighting with fists is for sissy's and boring in todays world.Let them fight with knives,baseball bats,small caliber guns, stuff like that.Make it interesting anyway.
Now that's extreme fighting.Punching each other like little girls is no fun to watch.
Liberal's don't know how to fight anyway,I can't imagine their kids knowing how.
March 14, 2008
1:15 p.m.
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Scott writes:
buffsblg,
Ah how wrong you are bucko! While it's true that I live in Adams county, I work in Stonerville. Also, I've been an electrical engineer for over twenty seven years in both telecom and aerospace. And while I do not possess a Pile Higher and Deeper (Ph. D) I do have a Bachelors in engineering. Oh, did I mention that I have about a dozen patents? Lastly, I do consider "burger flipper" higher on the evolutionary scale than lib-arts professors/majors. The "burger flipper" is contributing to society by holding down an honest job. The same cannot be said about the lib-arts professor.
To everyone else,
I do NOT need to show off my credentials to prove my worth (or manhood for that matter). I only did this to explicitly point out to the misguided defenders of Coke U. and Stonerville that people of all social and economic levels hold Coke U. and Stonerville in low esteem. Also, just because someone doesn't have a Piled Higher and Deeper degree or makes a low wage does NOT mean that this person is an ignorant buffoon as implied by buffsblg and those of its ilk.
Scott
March 14, 2008
1:19 p.m.
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JB writes:
No, but their ignorant comments certainly do go a long way toward proving it...
March 14, 2008
1:23 p.m.
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glycerine831 writes:
LOUIE...
You are a joke if you're going to talk about education (like if you have one) then at least learn how to spell words before you use them. I honestly could care less about what you think of Boulder my whole point from the beginning was that this is not a forum for how you or any other 'ignorant boulder basher' feels about the city. Get a life with your online surveys. This story is about a fight club. Back to you getting an education, nobody said anything about going to get one in Boulder... they don't take too many charity cases up there.
March 14, 2008
1:26 p.m.
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Theoldguy writes:
Shaupeen
Nice quote. Remember it when you are a draftee in the coming war with China. I've recently seen some pictures of their modern naval fleet. To which I say....Holt Sh*t!
March 14, 2008
1:40 p.m.
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PJM writes:
JB it's sad that you would put such importance on what kind of money a person makes. It would probly make you cry to find out that the uneducated rednecks out in cow-town Weld county make more money working in the oil field than most of your "degreed" heros in Boulder.
March 14, 2008
1:57 p.m.
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Scott writes:
PJM,
Well said. Back when I was a technician I could pull down more money with overtime than the engineers that had masters and PhDs!
Scott
March 14, 2008
2:04 p.m.
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MeAgainstMachine writes:
I propose setting up a boxing league IN the rec center they were fighting BEHIND. Secondly, non-aggravated mutual combat contest for sport and bragging rights shouldn't be any different than two young drunk hotties throwing down in a pool full of (insert your own substance) in a bar while clothed in nothing but their best unmentionables all the while vying for a bar tab credit.
March 14, 2008
2:16 p.m.
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Scott writes:
BTW buffsblg,
I just remembered that back in early 90's, while I was tutoring at an Adams county high school, I had a discussion with the vice principal of the high school about college education versus trades education. I informed the V.P. that I would NOT chant the mantra of "You must go to college, you must go to college ..." to the students. I then made the statement that there is nothing wrong with being a plumber (my example of any and all blue collar jobs).
Unbeknownst to me the V.P. had a tax accounting side business. The look on his face was one of despair as he told me about one of his clients who was a plumber and made $103,000.00 during the previous year (that's $103,000.00 in 1994)! That was almost twice what I was making as an engineer!
So much for a 'for most of your "degreed" heroes'. (thanks PJM for that one)
Scott
March 14, 2008
2:23 p.m.
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JB writes:
Yup. I sure just want to know a trade and not be knowledgable about things like International Affairs, Biology, History and Political Science. It's so cool to not be well-rounded.
March 14, 2008
2:30 p.m.
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PJM writes:
JB you have to be one of the most ignorant people I've ever ran across. Do you actually think a person can't be well rounded if they don't have a degree? Also, since you brought the issue up, what do you make?
March 14, 2008
2:30 p.m.
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Scott writes:
Well JB, the next time your sewer backs up or your car croaks in the middle of the road or you need that extra electrical outlet installed just call one of those "well rounded" professors from Coke U's ethnic studies department to over and fix it.
Scott
March 14, 2008
2:32 p.m.
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JB writes:
I doubt a person, making the type of ignorant comments like you and Scott...are well-rounded.
AND, if you read my posts, I was making the point that for all of your Boulder bashing, the people in Boulder seem to be doing very well for themselves -- far better than most of Denver and it's surrpounding suburbs.
March 14, 2008
2:38 p.m.
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Scott writes:
Hey PJM, I don't know about you, but after twenty six years of my wife's cooking I'm "well-rounded" ;-)
Scott
March 14, 2008
2:41 p.m.
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PJM writes:
I doubt you would know what well rounded even is.
I did read your posts. You seemed to be making the point that people who have something negative to say about Boulder have "redneck envy" because they don't make as much money as the "degreed" people of Boulder.
To borrow from Capital One "What's in your wallet?"
March 14, 2008
2:43 p.m.
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PJM writes:
Scott, I work hard enough every day to keep from getting that kind of round! I guess that's one advantage of being an ignorant redneck!
March 14, 2008
2:43 p.m.
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buffsblg writes:
So scott, if you are so well rounded, perhaps you could explain why your primary form of debate is childish name calling. Really, does this article have anything to do with CU except that your anti-education bias makes you sound off on CU every time Boulder is mentioned? Do you actually beleive that phrases like "Coke U" and "stonerville" convince anyone or sound clever to anyone but your sycophants like pjm?
March 14, 2008
2:46 p.m.
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buffsblg writes:
by the way scott I do not discredit those without an formal education as ignorant buffoons. I discredit you as one based solely on your comments. You are walking proof that one can be educated and ignorant at the same time.
March 14, 2008
2:47 p.m.
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glycerine831 writes:
LMAO! Well said buffsblg.
March 14, 2008
2:48 p.m.
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OhBrother writes:
oh brother...we need to start a fight club with you guys in here! I mean this is about kids fighting, this has nothing to do with Bould....OH MAN! this is another story out of Boulder! I should have known! I told my self- "self, don't read or comment on anything that has to do with boulder..get eggs, milk, bread and koolaid to dye dogs hair at store...: )"
March 14, 2008
2:51 p.m.
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PJM writes:
Scott, you should tell buffsblg that he/she works in a fast food job. You know, raise your level of debate a little!
March 14, 2008
2:51 p.m.
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Scott writes:
PJM,
buffblg just proved that it's "well rounded" by using words like "sycophants". MAN! I sure wish I could talk like that.
Hey buffsblg, how can I be "anti-education" when I tutor high school kids in math and science, teach electricity and elctronics part-time at a community college and am the proud owner of a BS degree? Anti-CokeU, anti-Stonerville, yes. Anti-darn near any other college/university, no. BTW, you did not answer PJM's question regarding your salary. I'll add to PJM's question, "What is your degree and major?"
Scott a.k.a redneck
March 14, 2008
2:53 p.m.
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OhBrother writes:
rule 272 of fight club-do not start fight club in boulder!
**it's a joke you boulder lovin hippies, it's a beatiful town full of great people...hey it's not your fault you have r-tards for reporters and a crime lab that operates out of your local loaf n' jug! but hey, nobodys perfect...except all you well paid yuppies out there.
March 14, 2008
2:54 p.m.
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gs writes:
Are they going to get the credit card companies soon? Please.
March 14, 2008
2:58 p.m.
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Scott writes:
MarineGrunt,
The PhD fart sniffers must be a Stonerville thing for PhDs. I have worked with numerous PhDs at Bell Telephone Laboratories for twenty years and NEVER ran into PhD fart sniffers there. However, these PhDs had real degrees, physics, chemistry, engineering, computer science, etc..
Scott
Yeh, I was a Squid, your point? :-)
March 14, 2008
3:09 p.m.
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Shaupeen writes:
Thanks theoldguy, but I can't take credit for Tyler's quote--it was Chuck Palahniuk who wrote the novel and Jim Uhls who wrote the screenplay. The movie, of course, is Fight Club. I highly recommend it, but be warned, it has an R rating. And it certainly deserves such a rating.
As for the upcoming war with China, I doubt the military would want an old guy like me out on the battlefield. I'd serve, but I doubt they'd have me. Do they make camouflage walkers? Though it sure sounds like we have some young bucks in this blog who are "full of piss and vinegar" and would make wonderful soldiers. And apparently the kids in Boulder have the fighting spirit...
March 14, 2008
3:20 p.m.
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ham writes:
Oh, well. Back to sitting on their butts, exercising their thumbs, playing video games. They gave physical exercise a shot, got tickets for their trouble, and went back to growing into the couch.
March 14, 2008
3:31 p.m.
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Scott writes:
Ham,
MeAgainstMachine has the right idea. If these young strapping youths want to pummel the be-Jesus out of each other, then set up a boxing (or other martial arts) club and let them have at it. They can tear into each other while being guided by adults that know the limits.
Heck, we could ask the local military recruiters to mentor these youths. (50% serious comment, 50% stab at the granola eaters in Stonerville)
Scott
March 14, 2008
3:41 p.m.
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EastVail writes:
If this is your firs time at fight club, you have to fight.
March 14, 2008
3:59 p.m.
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kc02 writes:
You know what they were fighting about, don't you? Somebody dyed somebody's poodle pink, and one guy said it was about Breast Cancer Awareness, and another guy said, no, it's just because you crave attention for yourself, and the first guy said "do not!" and the 2nd guy said, "do too!". Then, a 3rd guy wanted to draft a resolution to impeach the President, and the 4th guy said, "it's really not for us to decide", and then somebody said "we need a Special Victims Advocate Pursuant of Title IX", and then another guy said "I like your property, and you haven't built on it, and I'm gonna take it from you", and then another guy said "Is that your cat? It's running around loose!", and then....
Oh, wait. That was the adults, wasn't it?
March 14, 2008
3:59 p.m.
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nowhearthis writes:
You people are losing your touch. I'm surprised no one has found a way to work Hillary, enviro-whackos or illegal immigrants into this bickering between ten-year-olds.
March 14, 2008
4:04 p.m.
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ham writes:
I'm waiting for the "At least they haven't started a war against an innocent people for oil!" argument. C'mon: isn't there somebody that came blame this on George Bush, somehow? So far, I haven't seen one topic that can't be blamed, in one way or another, on George Bush.
March 14, 2008
4:09 p.m.
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Scott writes:
Hillary snuck a bunch of eco-terrorists across the border from Canada to incite a bunch of youths into imitating the evil conservatives by staging fights for pleasure.
nowhearthis, ask and ye shall receive. You only requested enviro-whackos OR illegal aliens. I got 'em both and I did it from Cnada ... eh? :-)
Scott
March 14, 2008
4:11 p.m.
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glycerine831 writes:
so true nowhearthis
March 14, 2008
4:12 p.m.
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Scott writes:
It appears that kc02 has succinctly stated the reasons for so much Stonerville bashing. Great posting!
Scott
March 14, 2008
4:27 p.m.
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glycerine831 writes:
Scott,
I was taking a stroll through these RMN stories and in each of them you find a way to bash the city of Boulder, CU, or the Democratic party. Fight clubs and purse snatchers are the product of democrats that went to CU and now live in Boulder???? Are you really that ignorant? You really are a sad story Scott and I hope that for everyone's sake you don't have children.
I have to log off now. To everyone that is sane and stable... Have a great weekend!
March 14, 2008
4:40 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
A degree from CU Boulder is worth about as much as a musical degree from Sing-Sing. Hey, what ever happened to the white guy who convinced the college elite of Boulder he was an indian?
March 14, 2008
4:49 p.m.
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hank_buzzsaw writes:
no one has blamed bush yet for this? kinda creepy.............
March 14, 2008
5:38 p.m.
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MeAgainstMachine writes:
come on people - it couldn't have been the Dems or Bush or illegals. It was totally Kim Jong Ill. That evil little bastard infiltrated our most praised yuppie outpost with this little scheme to get some white on white violence. Next...I don't even know where to go with this...it's getting blurry...I see the light...I'm hot...no I'm cold...someone...please hold me...I'm getting scared... too many weiner wars taking place in this thread.
aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....................
March 14, 2008
6:04 p.m.
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Scott writes:
Hey MeAgainstMachine,
Watch out! glycerine831 will target you next!
Scott
March 14, 2008
6:10 p.m.
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Scott writes:
glycerine831,
Too late! The wife and I have bred two daughters ages 22 and 20!
BTW: I did not say that the purse snatcher was a product of Coke U. or Stonerville. I said that if someone had come to the lady's defense and used physical force to stop the scumbag, THEN the libs from Stonerville would have come to the scumbags defense and sued the honorable citizen protecting the lady.
I'll blame George Bush for the reason that the scumbag purse snatcher exists. That should keep hank_buzzsaw happy ;-)
Scott
March 14, 2008
6:32 p.m.
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wow writes:
So....how about those high School Fight Clubs?
Bawahahaha!!
So sad I missed this.
March 14, 2008
6:45 p.m.
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IronmanCarmichael writes:
Fight club! What an obvious sex substitute! Watch out, boys, some of you may discover you like rolling around in hot, sweaty interaction with equally amped-up fellow young males. Let's get physical!
March 14, 2008
7:01 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Plagurism, sex assaults, scandal after scandal, CU is so desperate to salvage it's image it put a conservative republican in charge; no more party school! Millions of tax dollars in settlements later, the desperate fools in charge, sign a contract with the devil to save them. Lets blame George Bush for sure; but make no mistake CU is a weapon of self-destruction all by itself. Yea for Fight Club, maybe Boulder can now start to grow a set of stones. I am so glad my oldest daughter chose to attend medical school out of state, CU wasn't even an option to be considered. It's image needs to be rebuilt, I don't know if Benson can do, but I wish him well. Yeah, let's throw all the blame on Bush; like the Bush that ran the school, the football team that was caught up roughing off the Bush, and hopefully thier wannabe plagurizing indian is now living somewhere in the Bush.
March 14, 2008
7:10 p.m.
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cableboy764 writes:
Can't we just put a big wall around Boulder and try to forget that it's in Colorado? Don't I wish.
March 14, 2008
8:39 p.m.
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Skierdudejohn writes:
Yo I was in the fight club and I got ticketed. This paper has its facts wrong the max fine is $250 with no jail time for minors. I'm definitely not a liberal as both my parents went to Texas A&M. All this is just the Boulder police not having anything better to do, Fairview and the BVSD director kissing ass to make themselves look like they did everything to stop this, when in fact the principal offered us a sanctioned fight club a week before we got tickets. This isn't a surprise to anybody, as the assistant principals told us that they had seen every fight from the school camera. Boulder is a hippy town and most of the people in it are very smug. They accept a crazy bum yelling cuss words at passing people who is obviously on some kind of drug, while they are "shocked" by a couple high school kids doing a little fighting for fun. I guess doing drugs is fine here as long as you don't do anything violent.
March 14, 2008
8:40 p.m.
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DA writes:
Louie, CU Med school is in Denver, not Boulder. BTW, CU is a pretty good school. Its sciences and engineering have strong reputations world wide. I don't know about the humanities but it seems fashionable to be upset at the humanities taught at colleges and universities nationwide not just at CU. I would suggest getting rid of college athletics to reduce the number of headaches.
JB, dog scratches butt, "kill it!!" Teens try to beat the hell out of each other, "boys will be boys." Consistency. Don't you love it!
March 14, 2008
8:54 p.m.
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EastVail writes:
Ahem. "CU is a pretty good school."
CU is an armpit. Its student body is comprised of underachieving losers who want to drink beer, smoke pot, and ski for four years. Excuse me, 5 years.
The commonplace controversy at CU is a testament to this and comes as no surprise considering the "garbage in, garbage out" mantra.
March 14, 2008
9:39 p.m.
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Delta33 writes:
Listen, these kids were just a bunch of idiots who were bored and decided to duke it out where they can be seen literally from the library windows. These idiots should not be taken as a representation of Boulder or Fairview for that matter. As for the amount of insults directed at Boulder as a city, Boulder is a high income area that is admittedly filled with many snobby individuals but the majority of people are just nice people who stick to their own beliefs. And finally, CU is a research school that is very well funded, has an okay sports program and is considered very prestigious nationally with the high number of coaches professors and students the school includes it's only probable that you get a certain number of wackos. My point is, don't blame a city, a school, or a university because a few idiots live within a great place.
March 14, 2008
9:49 p.m.
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EastVail writes:
CU is an armpit. It's only "prestigious" to the self-serving idiots who went there.
March 14, 2008
9:58 p.m.
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Delta33 writes:
CU has turned out more astronauts than any other university in the country along with a supreme court justice, several inventors, and multiple professional athletes. A pretty good record if you ask me.
March 14, 2008
10:05 p.m.
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Delta33 writes:
Sorry, to correct my own factual error fourth most astronauts produced, I think Purdue holds first
March 14, 2008
10:35 p.m.
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DA writes:
Well said Delta33. Many of the students are busy going to class, studying and working and don't have the time to have the party lives that people assume they have.
BTW, EastVail, weren't Kobe Bryant and his accuser just west of Vail? Would it be then fair to assume that all residents of the Vail area are reprobates just like those two?
March 14, 2008
10:38 p.m.
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Skierdudejohn writes:
Delta33 none of the kids in the fight club are wackos or idiots. They all get good grades, myself and 3 others do jv and varsity sports, and we are just normal kids. No wonder you saw us from the library. You are probably the kid who envies the kids who draw such large crowds and have a greater amount of friends than you. You probably sit in there after school playing computer games. Boulder is a completely whack town. A terrible city council that instead of helping people in poverty spent thousands and thousands of dollars to make sure the prairie dogs which carry the plague would have enough land, crazy liberal socialists much like hitler, crazy borderline terrorist-like philosophers, and a university full of people with degrees in art science and environmental education make it a backwards place to live. Boulder preaches to everyone else about saving the environment and helping the poor when they have a community of bums and homeless people smoking dope standing on the street corners yelling at people.
March 14, 2008
11:13 p.m.
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EastVail writes:
Skierdudejohn rules. Keep up the good fight, Skierdude (no pun intended).
After all, what's wrong with a little public brawling (things like jaywalking and removing that tag from a mattress is against the law, too)?
And get the eff out of Boulder as fast as you can. Objectively, your parents are guilty of child abuse for deciding to raise you there.
My biggest question is how have you been able to see through Boulder's detestable veil of superficiality and hypocrisy? And at such a young age?
I bet I know: you must get out of town A LOT?!
March 14, 2008
11:32 p.m.
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DA writes:
Skierdudejohn, your last post makes you sound like the stereotypical Boulderite. The first half of your comment you say that because you are more popular than other students that you are better than them. And the second half of your comment tells us You are superior morally and intellectually to the rest of Boulder. You're not even 20 (I hope). Get some life experience under your belt before acting all superior. As far as a fight club giving that experience: I used to fight professionally. I think that sparring and competitive fighting can teach a lot. However, trusting your buddies or administrators watching through the library window isn't nearly as safe as having a boxing coach or martial arts instructor supervise. Boulder has some really good martial arts schools. If you don't want to go to one of them to learn then the only remaining reasons for you to have a fight club are 1. to beat the hell out of someone and 2. you want to be seen acting tough. Those are terrible reasons. Any other reasons (learning how to act under extreme physical duress, learning how to be mentally calm and under control when being attacked, getting tougher and more confident, learning compassion/empathy for your partners, etc.) would all be addressed by good instructors.
Read the Book of Five Rings by Musashi instead of Fight Club.
Or Zen and the Martial Arts by Joel Hyams.
Martial Arts America by Bob Orlando.
The Karate Dojo by Peter Urban
The Classical Man by Richard Kim
Those books can help explain how someone who trains to fight can be a peaceful person.
March 15, 2008
6:42 a.m.
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ham writes:
Hey, Boulder Police: Beside pursuing pink poodles, loose house cats, and teen age boys who are CONSENTING AND AGREEING to punch each other and be punched by each other, and who are just about legal age to join the U.S. Military.............How's that Jon Benet thing going?
March 15, 2008
7:32 a.m.
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cmcray1 writes:
I think sword fighting would be more fun. (Or they could use flame throwers! That would be awesome!)
March 15, 2008
8:12 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
DA and other defenders of CU and Boulder, respectfully. Okay, years ago CU had a great reputation, as a college it was quite impressive in academic achievement. Long about the sixties, much of that was deminished nationwide at America's colleges. CU, like many schools adopted a party image; thus Boulder spawned such wonderful groups like the STP family and other drug cultures. Then America shifted, colleges once again strived for academic achievement. However, the liberal element had taken such a dominate hold on education, that it remained dominate even unto today. I do not believe the best can rise to the top when one element, whether liberal or conservative, so dominates as to distroy the contribution of the other. Both have great assets that benifit our nation as a whole. CU went on and never was able to shake the liberal, party school image it had aquirred. Thus parents like myself, with an 8th grade education, realizing how valuable college can be for our children, walked away from CU. Was our decision wise? Look at the headlines coming out of CU and Boulder for the last 10 years. Impressive can no longer be used in the same sentence with either. Thus my oldest daughter, who functions on a different level, was recruited in high school by Microsoft, and corporate scholarships were readily available to my daughter, who even today maintains a 4.0 GPA in college back east. My daughter did not get this brain from me, I was a criminal most of my life, up until 20 years or so ago. CU was not even considered because it had to many leadership problems, faculity questions, and student issues, along with external political pressures to deal with. So, when this this lightbulb daughter of mine decided to go into medicine, we felt it was more to her advantage to take up a scholarship from an outside college. Then a hospital picked up my girl and started assisting with her studies very early on. Microsoft still calls every now and then, but my girl loves the blood and guts profession (she's a little like the old man). CU has to many issues to restore it's image. CU and Boulder have never shaken the liberal dominance and it's image as a party enviroment. I hope it's better when my 11 year old daughter has to decide. Never should one side, whether liberal or conservative, dominate. In doing so greatness in achievement for all becomes oppressed. Now, I am going to revert back to my juvenile cracks on the Republic of Boulder!
March 15, 2008
9:19 a.m.
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JackJacobs writes:
All the meditating and all the organic 'substances' can't repress all the human instincts for long...even higher education and higher incomes can't alter your genes.
March 15, 2008
9:56 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Anybody want to lite a Cohiba on the pearl street mall in memory of George Burns? We'll all need a bail bondman. So liberal, so judgemental, so lost...
March 15, 2008
9:58 a.m.
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hikingartist writes:
If they are going to fight, just fight to the death and be done with it. The rest of us will continue to live in peace.
March 15, 2008
9:58 a.m.
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SXC writes:
ugh! every board has turned into a mine is better than yours discussion. I feel the urge to brag! But, if you really are ALL THAT....you do not need to say it, YOU KNOW IT!!!!!!
At the end of the day we all bleed red and will face death. Do I have to political to do either properly?
March 15, 2008
11:15 a.m.
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JB writes:
DA-
I NEVER advocated putting down Rolo. My issue ALWAYS was with the owner. The difference here is that these boys were all willing participants. There was no clear "victim" in this case.
I agree with you about it would be better for them to take up an organized martial art, yet I just don't think this is that big of a deal. A couple of boys get black eyes, maybe a missing tooth -- it's not like they were out there knife-fighting. How many of us had wrestling matches with our siblings or cousins or friends growing up? Or, an informal boxing match? My old college roommate and I used to box all the time. I got a black eye once when he got a good jab in and once I busted up his lip. However, not only did we have a good time, but it was also a good workout.
Admittedly, I had some formal training and we always wore gloves and much of it was me teaching him, but still...it wasn't a formal boxing league.
March 15, 2008
12:37 p.m.
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oneformoz writes:
At ham...
It appears that you (and others in these posts) are wanting the Boulder police to not pursue breaking up a group of "CONSENTING AND AGREEING" teenage boys from fighting each other in public.
I wonder if you would have the same attitude towards the police if the group of boys were wearing gang attire and from, say, Adams County. Gang fights are between consenting and agreeing teenage boys too. Would you still complain about the police pursuing those?
Don't try to argue that gangs bring knives and guns to their fights. Who's to say that someone in this Fairview fight club wouldn't bring a weapon at some point?
Bottom line from ham's and others' post:
White, wealthy males from Boulder fighting in public...harmless, victimless, waste of police's time
Brown and black poor males from anywhere fighting in public...scary, everyone is a victim, call the police
At the least, it's hypocritical to say the police are wasting their time in the case of the Fairview fight club, if at the same time you'd want the police to break up a gang fight. At the worst, it's racist.
March 15, 2008
1:20 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
No, we don't want fight clubs all over Colorado, just Boulder.
March 15, 2008
6:05 p.m.
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JB writes:
one...
The difference here is that these boys weren't fighting out a disagreement or for hostile purposes. From what I understand they were all friends and it seems like after the fights they would have all been happy to go get dinner or play video games together. Also, it doesn't seem that anyone was participating against their will, nor were they causing harm to other people's property. Was it a poor choice to do it in plain view where people might get the wrong idea or be offended...sure.
BUT, if these boys had a boxing ring set up in one of their back yards, would we even be having this conversation? How is what they were doing any different than extreme fighting which is televised or a wrestling or boxing match between siblings? It was done in public...yes, bad choice as these other things are done in specfic venues. Other than that though, I don't see much of a difference.
I don't think the gang comparison is quite fair as the two groups are operating under different motives. I suspect that these boys would care for one of their buddies who was injured in a fight since they were all friends. I will agree though that at least that point is strictly an assumption.
March 15, 2008
8:21 p.m.
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arby writes:
Well, how about that. The PDRB has some boys that like to fight. BFD, boys will be boys even in the PDRB. Maybe some of them will even join up and serve their country. And then protect the sorry A** PDRB. Ya think?
March 15, 2008
8:54 p.m.
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ericsimsjr writes:
Who cares? Teenage boys being teenage boys. I hope my boy learns to fight at a fight club. One post was surprised this was in Boulder. I live in Boulder, and I am surprised as well. Maybe not all the testosterone has been emasculated away from some men and boys in this town. Perhaps, some men realize they do not need to be phony yoga doin' pansies to be liberal. At least their sons have learned that.
However, the cops, as is typical everywhere, are all hysterical in their sanctimonious use of morality.
March 15, 2008
9:02 p.m.
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oneformoz writes:
JB
I appreciate your point. Though I still think if these Fairview boys looked like gang members, many of comments in these postings would read differently.
Also, there is a difference between this fight club and televised extreme fighting or an afternoon martial arts/boxing program (as some posts suggested). If one of these Fairview kids gets punched in the head one-too-many times or hit in just the right spot, and he drops to the ground unconscious, there's no one there responding to his medical needs. These Fairview kids would panic and most would run (to not get in trouble). That's why the Boulder police should pursue breaking this club up.
If this kids really are that interested in fighting each other for fun, there are organized/legitimate outlets they can go to. I think it's the concept of an illicit "Fight Club" they're more interested in. I think they like the attention they're getting from their school mates, teachers/administrators, the public, and the police...otherwise they wouldn't have been doing it on the South Boulder Rec Center grass.
March 16, 2008
11:20 a.m.
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Skierdudejohn writes:
Oneformoz your probably right that if this was in Adams County, and we were all wearing gang attire, that this would be a bigger deal. I'm fine with getting a ticket because I understand that the police are doing their jobs. Out of everyone, the police is probably making the least deal of this. The thing I'm pissed about is how the school is acting and how crazy the media went on this story. On websites of this newspaper and the daily camera, both Boulder liberal papers, the fight club story has been the headline putting sexual assault and 2nd degree assault stories to the side. Your assumption about Fairview kids running away from an unconscious teen is completely wrong. We are friends doing this, not gangs. We aren't trying to avoid the police. I'm positive many people would stay and call an ambulance, run into the rec center to get help, or even go to the school if no one else was available. We aren't trying to have an underground fight club, we just are having fun. If we really had an illicit fight club going, we would be somewhere not near the school, and this story would never had been created. The reason we did it right behind the school is because we didn't think it was that big of a deal. It certainly isn't coldblooded like the bvsd guy Gamblin likes to think it is. Get a clue, and realize that every news station that is reporting on the fight club, including this one, have at least one of their facts wrong.
March 16, 2008
3:33 p.m.
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freethinker07 writes:
What gives BVSD the authority to discipline students for behavior outside school hours off school property?
I remember in 1968 students at Fairview would stand across the street and smoke during lunch. The administration could not do anything except call the sheriff's office (Fairview was outside of city limits then.) The sheriff didn't have enough manpower to deal with it and ignored the calls.
BVSD is stepping over the line and violating student's rights.
March 17, 2008
4:32 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Chains and bats, and the colors on back...every generation has thier bad asses. I love summer and those kids that street race steel and hit 160- 180 MPH. Dangerious as hell when they start floating and you think the kid's going to lose it. Saw a 68 Roadrunner get up and roar on nitrous oxide and smoked a Mitsubishi. Balls get a lot of people killed and hurt, no denying that. Yet, I love the heart of those who willing kiss the face of the Almighty, thier spirit can exceed thier talent, especially the speeds obtainable on today's cycles. Always liked the KZ750 two stroke of the early 70's, thing was a widow maker. What are the limits of man insatable desire for cheating death? Fight Club is another of these desires to be free; what generation didn't challenge the preceeding norms of previous generation? Funny that all the laws we make can never kill this desire.
March 18, 2008
6:41 p.m.
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TYDN writes:
I think JB and DA should have a face-off!