Nader: Obama trying to 'talk white'
By M.E. Sprengelmeyer, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Originally published 12:05 a.m., June 25, 2008
Updated 07:01 p.m., June 25, 2008
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Ralph Nader, who is running for president, talks about Barack Obama in his Washington, D.C., office Monday. Nader said Obama should "candidly describe the life of the poor."
Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader accused Sen. Barack Obama, the presumed Democratic Party nominee, of downplaying poverty issues, trying to "talk white" and appealing to "white guilt" during his run for the White House.
Nader, a thorn in the Democratic Party's side since the 2000 presidential election, has taken various shots at Obama in recent days while ramping up his latest independent run for president.
In a wide-ranging interview with the Rocky Mountain News on Monday, he said he is running because he believes Democrats, like Republicans, are too closely aligned with corporate interests.
Economic exploitation
Nader was asked if Obama is any different than Democrats he has criticized in the past, considering Obama's pledge to reject campaign contributions from registered lobbyists.
"There's only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He's half African-American," Nader said. "Whether that will make any difference, I don't know. I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We'll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards."
The Obama campaign had only a brief response, calling the remarks disappointing.
Asked to clarify whether he thought Obama does try to "talk white," Nader said: "Of course.
"I mean, first of all, the number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas, and have a very detailed platform about how the poor is going to be defended by the law, is going to be protected by the law, and is going to be liberated by the law," Nader said. "Haven't heard a thing."
"We are obviously disappointed with these very backward-looking remarks," Obama campaign spokeswoman Shannon Gilson said.
Plans to visit DNC
Nader said he plans to travel to Denver during this summer's Democratic National Convention, hoping to highlight an alternative agenda that he thinks the party should pursue. His appearance in the city is sure to anger some Democrats who believe his presence on the ballot during the contested 2000 election cost Al Gore votes, helping Republican George Bush win the disputed election.
Nader rejects that blame, saying Democrats "scapegoated" him instead of looking at other factors that contributed to the defeat.
'Appeal to white guilt'
Nader said he is not impressed with Obama and that he does not see him campaigning often enough in low-income, predominantly minority communities where there is a "shocking" amount of economic exploitation.
He pointed to issues like predatory lending, shortages of health care and municipal resources, environmental issues and others.
"He wants to show that he is not a threatening . . . another politically threatening African-American politician," Nader said. "He wants to appeal to white guilt. You appeal to white guilt not by coming on as black is beautiful, black is powerful. Basically he's coming on as someone who is not going to threaten the white power structure, whether it's corporate or whether it's simply oligarchic. And they love it. Whites just eat it up."
June 25, 2008
2:22 a.m.
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jugdish writes:
Jugdish curious about "white guilt". What is this? Please explain.
Also, how does one "talk white"? Make no sense.
June 25, 2008
3:41 a.m.
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plotz writes:
This is very interesting. When others early on in the campaign made statements about race or the idea that Obama is popular and or left alone in the mainstream press for questionable things due to him being black...many cried racism including Obama's staff. But now, Nader says this...all anyone can is "disappointing"?! When Ken Hamblin was on the Radio, callers at times would comment that he(Hamblin) did not sound black. Hamblin of course told the caller this was a form of racism. So how come when Nader says something along the same lines it is not? Would Nader say the same thing of Frederick Douglass, WEB Dubois, and others. Would he prefer Obama sound and talk like a rap singer or Rev. Wright? Nader himself panders like a hooker to white liberals playing on their angst,fears,etc. So how is he any better.
June 25, 2008
4:16 a.m.
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STOPUSAGiveaway writes:
How about when a black man looks you in the face and proclaims "we all know who are black what it is like to be told we are inferior--then he looks at a white l2 year old and says "and you as a white boy know that you have been told you are superior"
How about that? This weekend--and the poor black man is an attorney....
Blame whitey!
Which planet have you been dropped from today?
What group do you have represent Y O U?
Who repeats S L A V E R Y in America--R E P A R A T I O N S?
IGNORANCE--and hate because SLAVERY did not begin in America~
Do you read: learn history..
Pay attention--perhaps you can learn something instead of keyboarding and hiding out...all day
rEV wRIGHT'd comments: you apparently didn't listen to his words. No wonder this nation has slide into pathetic ignorance....
E X T R E M I S T S
June 25, 2008
4:27 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Yeah Ralph, you got a point in the basis of your arguement, you lose two in delivery. Obama better sell himself to ALL America.
June 25, 2008
4:43 a.m.
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plotz writes:
If what Nader says that Obama is pandering to "white guilt" how is electing the first Black president going to atone for it? How will it change things that have already happen? What if Obama turns out to be a very bad president...will that throw out the atonement factor? Lastly, if Obama was a woman as well as being black would this also atone for Susan B Athony and women sufferage too? How about a Latino, Native American, and many other groups,religions and the like?
June 25, 2008
4:44 a.m.
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plotz writes:
If what Nader says that Obama is pandering to "white guilt" how is electing the first Black president going to atone for it? How will it change things that have already happen? What if Obama turns out to be a very bad president...will that throw out the atonement factor? Lastly, if Obama was a woman as well as being black would this also atone for Susan B Athony and women sufferage too? How about a Latino, Native American, and many other groups,religions and the like?
June 25, 2008
4:59 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
This is at minimum a very historic event in America's history; a young, black man has a creditable chance in America, to hold the highest office in the freeworld. My white, brushcut, Patsy Cline lovin' , belt whippin', stepfather would have never believed it; my stepdad use to say,"I'll never live to see the day...". He was right, he didn't live to see this day. This young black man, has been kicked hard by everyone to include his own preacher; he's still standing in the fight. That says a lot about the kid, he's got the hide of an alligator necessary to lead. Bush had a thick hide too. Still, if he's an underdog, he has just bloodied the champs nose, it takes more to beat the champ's experence. I don't care for either canidate; I believe America is being served up a poor selection from both partys. When wiil America find a truly great leader? I'm a dog, I'll watch the ensuing fight, bored by the same old party lines. I will pray that before I die, a truly great man emerges to really lead America...been awhile!
June 25, 2008
6:13 a.m.
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Oh_Wise_One writes:
What's wrong with "talking white"? Is Nadar a racist against whites? Or just stupid.
June 25, 2008
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ghoax writes:
I just gotta say, Nader's comments are completely detached from any sense at all. I wouldn't vote for Obama period, because of his lack of experience and "ready fire aim" mentality. I believe he spends too much time trying to sound smart versus doing any real thinking. He's for higher gas prices, no drilling, a socialized government and his policies threaten our economic freedoms and ultimately our sovereignty. I don't believe he can be offensive on the war on terror, nor slow the flow of illegals dancing into our country, I don't think he has a grasp on how higher taxes flatten our economy, nor why socialism flattens the productivity and limits the American dream...but, it has nothing to do with white guilt or speaking white....Nader's off base.
June 25, 2008
6:21 a.m.
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Michael writes:
If "talking white" means using correct pronunciation of the English language, knowing how to construct a complete sentence, to be able to form and convey cogent and logical thoughts using the English language, as well as using multi-syllabic words and NOT....repeat NOT using "AX" when you mean "ASK", then I stand guilty of "talking white" and I guess Obama does too - and good for him!!! I still won't vote for him, but at least he knows how to speak.
June 25, 2008
6:58 a.m.
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DeimosJB writes:
Breaking news! This just in!
The Green Party is going to take votes from the Democrats. The Libertarian party is going to take votes from Republicans. A couple independent candidates will come up to take votes from both parties.
This article could just as easily be written about the last election, and the one before, and the one before...
I love the remark about Nader costing Gore the election in 2000. Right, Gore was cheated because no one siphons votes from the Republican candidate, unless you count people like Bob Barr, Ron Paul, Ross Perot...Of course, we conveniently forget people like that, because we must believe the Democratic party is the victim of the big bad Republican establishment
What pitiful journalism.
June 25, 2008
6:59 a.m.
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samsmargolis writes:
Oh, no. Comments that point out that Obama plays to white guilt make people like Littwin cower in the corner s*cking his thumb. Sorry. That's a normal posture. That should have read: "...cower in the corner s*cking his thumb more." Gee. Wonder if the next realization will be that Obama "chooses" to be black instead of white (the census choice he's allowed) because it plays better in the election? That would mean Geraldine was right all along, as well. Oh, oh.
June 25, 2008
7:24 a.m.
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ham writes:
Well, this comes from Ralph Nader, so it's acceptable. Heaven forbid a Republican would point the same thing out.
June 25, 2008
7:42 a.m.
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Buckwheat writes:
Talk white?? LMAO. OK, I'll admit, the first thing that came to mind was Eddie Murphy, Beverly Hills Cop.. "I ain't going for no banana in my tailpipe".
June 25, 2008
7:45 a.m.
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Jim_C writes:
A) Obama cannot allow himself to be perceived as merely the Black Candidate because the racial divides are so powerful in this country, that he would instantly be pigeonholed as the voice of scary, violent, militant black America, real or perceived and scare off millions of voters.
He has to tread very, very, very carefully.
Like someone said, he is either not black enough or he is not white enough.
B) As far as him being all rhetoric, go to his website and show me where his policies are less thought out than McCain's. One example. Just because he speaks liek a leader and does not hash out specific policy details every speech (didn't Gore do that?) doesn't mean he has not thought things out.
Already--already--his rhetopric and tone is restoring faith in the U.S. around the world, and in the U.S., and our credibility is rising again. He has done more in that regard in a few months than W. did in eight years. Infinitely more, actually.
Interesting that Bush's incredibly weak speaking abilities foreshadowed his ineptitude so well, by the way.
June 25, 2008
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rickg19611 writes:
Ralph Nader terrifies Democraps. They are terrified of Nader's HONEST assessment of the corrupt Democrap party and their empty suit nominee. They retreat back into their closets and crevices like cockroaches, when Ralph Nader walks into the room.
GO NADER GO! GO GET 'EM!!!!!
June 25, 2008
8:10 a.m.
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Soze writes:
If Obama's father is black and his mom is white, then how is it that he's always described as "black" or "African-American," but never as "white?" He is just as white as he is black. Probably more so considering he was raised by his white mother and white grandparents and went to elite "white" schools.
Just saying since I don't really get that and since being the first African-American candidate is such a cornerstone of his campaign and basically the main reason he is getting 90+% of black votes.
Isn't this just another election featuring two white men?
June 25, 2008
8:22 a.m.
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Trollstein writes:
Nader should be happy with Obama but is not. Normally one would attribute this to the fact that Nader is also a candidate. But in this case, Nader stands zero chance of winning, so that point does not apply here.
Not that many years ago, Nader was a liberal Democrat like Obama. Nader also used to be a supporter of Israel (in the 1960's). I can't help but believe that Nader (who is Lebanese) is now trying to punish Obama for supporting Israel--and is doing so secretly.
June 25, 2008
8:29 a.m.
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raequin writes:
It is hard to believe that nobody has corrected the consensus on these comments that what Nader meant by "talking white" was to use proper English. Check this quote from the article.
"I mean, first of all, the number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas, and have a very detailed platform about how the poor is going to be defended by the law, is going to be protected by the law, and is going to be liberated by the law,"
That is what is meant by not talking white.
June 25, 2008
8:31 a.m.
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raequin writes:
@ Trollstein --- I think Nader has more on his mind than the nation of Israel.
June 25, 2008
8:32 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
I wish the Obama camp would come out with an actual program rather than empty statements like, "disappointing", "backward looking", etc... whenever someone calls him out.
C'mon Obama - let's hear your plan rather than how "disappointed" you are in the competition.
June 25, 2008
8:36 a.m.
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deerob7 writes:
Convicted felons can not vote. There goes the majority of votes for Obama. I don't trust a man with ties to the Muslims. Ever heard of a wolf in sheep's clothing?
June 25, 2008
8:38 a.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
I had ancestors who kept slaves. I also had ancestors who got in a rickety boat to flee the Irish potato famine. I do not feel guilty about what my ancestors did. So it's easy for me to face the history. Neither am I angry at the British navy for stopping my Irish ancestors from fishing during the Famine. My feelings towards the British are kindly.
What we did during the peculiar institution of slavery was a massive atrocity. Slavery does long term damage to a country, not only to the population enslaved but to those who enslave them and those who merely let it happen. Slavery kills the soul of the master, permits unspeakable outrages against people, and diminishes the value of honest labor.
When the Emancipation Proclamation finally went into full force something vital was missing. That was atonement. This will forever remain unfinished business until we make our nation one of peace and prosperity for everyone. Yet so far we have shirked our responsibility to create a better world for ourselves and posterity. We let ourselves be tricked by a culture that claims to be politically perfect and refuses to be improved. It applies every trick of spin, ideology, and theater to suspend our natural belief in reality.
Racism is a prime example of spin that hurts everyone. Biology proves that humanity has only one race, the human race. Racism is a gimmick used by oppressors to divide people with common interests. This lie was fabricated for the sole purpose of justifying the atrocities of slavery. So, long as that lie has any life in American culture, it does terrible harm to our unity and progress as a people.
So, the guilt about slavery is a great irony, one that encompasses a doom for us all. The truly guilty refuse to face history and want everyone else to do likewise. They are your guides to perdition.
June 25, 2008
8:40 a.m.
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chicagoarea2 writes:
How can so many people interpret "talking white" literally with the vocabulary, artiiculation and enunciation or words??? Did you even read the article. Its about the content of his speeches. This is the same tunnel vision that Obama supporters apply when Obama drops the ball and opts out of public financing and supports the FISA bill with immunity for telecoms. Get a grip and reclaim your ability for objective thought! Thankfully there are still a couple of people like Nader and Alexander Cockburn who do!
June 25, 2008
8:46 a.m.
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lencho_elias writes:
OBAMA 08!!! Can't wait!!
June 25, 2008
8:46 a.m.
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lencho_elias writes:
OBAMA 08!!! Can't wait!!
June 25, 2008
8:49 a.m.
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BillAdkins writes:
So - Nader is playing the race card!! The man has gone off the map into crazy land. If Obama is 'talking white,' is Nader now 'talking black?' Sheesh.
June 25, 2008
8:55 a.m.
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Big_D writes:
Ralph Nader is just another rich guy that talks crap but really is just hoping to be a spoiler. If you think GWB is bad remember you can blame him on Nader splitting the vote and trying to blame Gore for Clinton’s personal failing. I remember about the ONLY thing wrong with Clinton’s performance was his personal failing and our tabloid journalism putting that ahead of the welfare of our country. Sad to see how stark of a contrast we have after only seven plus years and the debt is larger and our money is back to worthless because of it.
June 25, 2008
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davies writes:
"seat belts by the way have only made me more dangerous to others."
Froward once again twists his logic into a pretzel in order to offer his blind support to the Democratic party and Obama. Froward, I honestly believe that the Dems would be better off without you.
HEY WAIT A MINUTE! Froward, are you really a conservative, trying to make the Democrats look bad with your naive and illogical arguments on their behalf? Part of the vast right wing conspiracy?!? Hmmmm...
June 25, 2008
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studiomutmo writes:
I don't see how it behooves the 'black' candidate to address poverty because he is black. This seems racist to me, which is surprising coming from Nader, the last person I'd expect it from. Shouldn't it behoove any candidate, black or white, brown, anyone, to address poverty in America?
June 25, 2008
9:03 a.m.
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Shaggy writes:
Obama is the one turning this into a racial race.
Nader is just telling it like it is.
Obama is catering to whomever he can con into voting for him.
The first Candidate to have an immediate plan for lowering gas prices will win this November.
Obama is committed to his fellow left loons and won't drill, refine, won't build nuclear plants.
Obama even wants to put an additional tax on gas when it is at all time record highs.
Obama is his own demise.
I am not a big McCain fan but he has changed his mind on off shore drilling and wants to build Nuclear plants and become energy independent.
McCain will be our next President.
I guess Obama still wants to keep sending Billions of dollars to Muslim nations and keep gas at an all time high.
He already has stated he doesn't mind it, just that it caught everyone off guard. I guess his supporters keep overlooking the facts about Obama and can only hear him preaching change.
That is all anyone will be left with in their pockets.....change
Not too smart Obama.
June 25, 2008
9:04 a.m.
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lookout416 writes:
What does George W. Bush, John Kerry and Barack Obama have in common? All three pronounce the word "to" incorrectly. It's almost as though they learned to do it in HOW TO APPEAL TO THE COMMON FOLKS 101 while attending their ivy league colleges. The weird thing is that Obama sometimes slips and pronounces "to" correctly. Just remember, Omamba quickly climbed up through the oldest, and most corrupt, political machine in our country. We're simply in a pickle about many issues. It's hard TA figure.
June 25, 2008
9:06 a.m.
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vudumom writes:
Hyphenated - Americans don't have a stake in their country. Until they see themselves as Americans they are forever in a minority.
June 25, 2008
9:08 a.m.
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T1anda writes:
It matters not what Obama talks!! Let's face it it still just ALL TALK!!! Talk is cheap!!
June 25, 2008
9:10 a.m.
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Shaggy writes:
artstarzz,
Quick, name us ONE accomplishment of Obamas!!!
June 25, 2008
9:12 a.m.
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SamGee writes:
So if a Black man doesn't talk like a ganster rapper, he is pandering to white people. Nader is pathetic,ignorant and pathetic.
June 25, 2008
9:17 a.m.
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Shaggy writes:
Do you know that he wouldn't be if his racist paster of 20 years was exposed earlier on?
Hillary has beaten him in almost every primary since then and many by 20, 30 and 40%.
All the while Obama was losing popularity.
Why do you think the DNC cannot raise enough money for their circus show?
Because Obama is the nominee.
Yet you have such a man crush on Obama you are blinded to the FACTS.
June 25, 2008
9:18 a.m.
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AbeMartin writes:
Mr. Nader speaks English well, as befits his Ivy League education, even though he is the child of Lebanese immigrants. But I don't hear anyone casting aspersions about his parentage or the fact that he is "talking like a WASP." Aside from his truly pathetic obsession to be a Presidential candidate, it is sad, sad, sad, to have witnessed this man (who used to be somebody and who affected positive changes in this country) having devolved into a buzzing, annoying insect good only for imparting negativity into the political debate.
Perhaps he can get a gig on a reality show in which he will share the $1.5 million dollar town house he owns with Karl Rove, Don Imus, Hulk Hogan, Bernard Keric, Jeff Skilling and the rest of the discarded and discredited political, entertainment and business trash.
June 25, 2008
9:19 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
HolierThanThou writes: "What we did during the peculiar institution of slavery was a massive atrocity."
Speak for yourself, HolierThanThou. "We" don't own anybody 'jack'.
Slavery ended in this country 150 years ago - get over it.
June 25, 2008
9:20 a.m.
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T1anda writes:
BTW since the majority of blacks are going to vote for Obama just because he is supposedly "black" I guess I will just vote for the all white candidate because I am all white!! That makes sense now doesn't it??
June 25, 2008
9:28 a.m.
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gomerspile writes:
Reading most of the comments here, and it amazes me that you need to have it explained to you. Nader(who is an idiot) was saying that O'Carter is not talking to the black community, he is using white guilt to appeal to the white people. The payday loans, lead paint, asbestos problems, Nader is linking them to the black community, right where you wont see O'Carter, use your heads, O'Carter is a liar, thief and politician, just like the rest....
Peace through superior firepower
June 25, 2008
9:34 a.m.
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kevin3 writes:
I do not know much about Ralph Nader. What has Nader done during his career that has helped the poor, inner city kids, and protection of the poor through laws? Is Nader in a position to criticize Obama on these issues? What does Nader understand about advancing people of color above a white line? From what I understand, Obama helped to organize, and empower the less fortunate people of Chicago.
June 25, 2008
9:35 a.m.
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liberalfamily writes:
Re: Plotz
"But now, Nader says this...all anyone can is "disappointing"?!"
EXACTLY -- and you have Rev. Wright and the "transcendent" Obama response to thank for taking race relations down a notch. How can Obama say anything more than "disapointing" if he can't even condemn the racism of his Rev. Wright?
June 25, 2008
9:36 a.m.
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OhBrother writes:
T1anda-"BTW since the majority of blacks are going to vote for Obama just because he is supposedly "black" I guess I will just vote for the all white candidate because I am all white!! That makes sense now doesn't it??"
40 plus presidents and how many have been black? OK, that's easy but how many have been anything other then middle aged white men? Sounds like your "plan" has been working for a while already
June 25, 2008
9:36 a.m.
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davies writes:
PJ: Again with you disrespectin' the K car. My '88 Plymouth was a very nice Reliant automobile (to paraphrase the Bare Naked Ladies song). You are obviously an elitist, driving your Lincoln Navigator around and looking for people standing near mud puddles so you can splash them and drive off laughing. En garde!
June 25, 2008
9:50 a.m.
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djwerdna writes:
Let's not hide behind how things were said or Obama's dismissive answer. The question still is: Why hasn't Obama "have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead"?
June 25, 2008
9:55 a.m.
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AirMax95 writes:
Imus AGAIN, and now Nader. Pretty offensive comments if I must say so myself coming from Nader, truly backwards thinking indeed. HOWEVER, the best line out of all of the comments that have been posted so far can be found below:
If the folks living in American ghettos and barrios were truly helped up out of their misery and taught to be self-sufficient, Democrats would never win another election, and they know it.
PajamaPulitzer you have hit the nail on the head!!!!!
June 25, 2008
9:56 a.m.
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dakar01 writes:
i've been a fan of ralph nader for years and have voted for him twice. i have to say, i am a little disappointed in his comments. i understand what he was trying to convey, but people talk the way they talk be it white, black, latino, asian, native american--and though there is definitely afrocentrism dialect/accent in some portion of our vocabulary--we all strive in the professional realm to talk a certain lingo. he could have stated that obama speaks in a tone that is not upsetting to the corporate structure and therefore is not upsetting the status quo.
but 'talking white' should not be a crime. talking fraudulently should. and obama/mccain are definitely not completely straight talking in my opinion to the american public. but neither is this type of language.
nader, i love ya, but you know this isn't right. you got caught up in the moment. i can forgive, but let's not go there again. ok???
June 25, 2008
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Highcountry writes:
I voted for Ralph my first two opportunities to vote for an American president. But the man has lost it. His ego has consumed him. The trash he's talking about Obama is wrong and disrespectful. I'll be voting for Obama. Thanks for your work Ralph but your time is up.
June 25, 2008
10:03 a.m.
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OhBrother writes:
"white guilt"...i still don't get this one all the way? Is this when white people feel guilty about past history? I don't see this happening so I don't think that is right...is it when white people think black people are "playin the race card" to try and make them feel bad about stuff so the get all " don't try and white guilt me boy, I don't owe you nothin"
is this a racsist term? I seriously don't know if this means "I feel guilty" or "don't try and make me feel guilty". I don't get how this would work to Obama's advantage either way really...and the whole "talk white" thing really seems ignorant
June 25, 2008
10:03 a.m.
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Shaggy writes:
djwerdna,
Good point.
I have yet to see Obama answer any question directly. He skirts issues and when he gets pinned he bashes Bush.
He voted over a thousand times in his very short stint as a Senator because he cannot commit himself.
He didn't denounce himself from his racist Reverend until the racist reverend threw him under the bus in front of the world.
Before then he kept saying that would be like abandoning himself from the black community or a crazy Uncle.
I just cannot believe how many people are so blinded by this fool and cannot see that he is not a "Uniter" but rather a "Divider".
Serious, why would he pit James Dobson and Al Sharpton against each other as to who's Christian beliefs we should be practicing?
This idiot even pits religions against each other.
His own fricking church of 20 years has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa and the black people.
How in the world is this diversity????
Obama and his followers are very naive
June 25, 2008
10:08 a.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
Here is what I could find on Obama:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/arti...
Consider his proposals:
• In effect, he would legislate a 60 percent tax bracket for upper-income Americans, killing all initiative and innovation. He'd raise the top bracket to 40 percent. He'd apply FICA taxes to all income, not just that under $100,000 as at present. So add 40 percent plus FICA's 12.5 percent plus Medicare's 2 percent plus state and local taxes averaging, after deduction, at 5-6 percent, and you have a 60 percent bracket.
• He would double the capital gains tax, saddling the 50 percent of Americans who own stock with dramatically higher taxes.
• He'd double the dividend tax, hitting elderly coupon-clippers now retired and depending on fixed incomes.
• He wants to cover 12 million illegal immigrants with federally subsidized health insurance, dramatically driving up costs and forcing federal rationing of healthcare. As in the U.K. and Canada, you will not be permitted certain medical procedures if the bureaucrats decide you are not worth it.
• He proposes requiring Homeland Security operatives to notify terror suspects that they are under investigation within seven days of starting the investigation.
• He says that unless they can establish that there is "probable cause to believe that a certain individual is linked to a specific terrorist group," Homeland Security cannot seize his documents and search his business. The current standard is only that the search be "relevant" to a terror investigation.
He does not oppose $5-per-gallon gasoline but only says that he wishes there had been a more "gradual adjustment" to the higher prices.
Obama can talk about the Rev. Wright and flag lapel pins and his wife's love of America all day long. But what he resists is a specific discussion of his own plans for our country. That's the discussion he fears and he avoids.
June 25, 2008
10:13 a.m.
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rplevy writes:
Nader, I don't mean to be rude, but please STFU. Barack Obama is half white, and even if he was not white at all, he has every right to talk the way he naturally talks. As for you Ralph Nader, there is no reason we should not rule out understanding your comments as evidence of racism.
(Nader has never fought for civil rights, and most of his supporters have always been white.) Shame on you, Ralph Nader. Obama will be a better president than you could ever be.
So take your right-wing funded campaign and your .0001 percent of the vote and go back home to California. The more you open your mouth the more you sully your past acheivements. Sorry to have to say it, but the Nader of the 60s and 70s is long gone and has been replaced by a whining incapable irrelevant has-been.
June 25, 2008
10:16 a.m.
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Mhreed writes:
Mr. Nader, you are all wrong you are thinking about different color of people. Senator Obama is concern about all people, all color, all races. He will serve and provides possibilities for all people. You Mr. Nader is living in dark ages.
June 25, 2008
10:16 a.m.
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gneubeck writes:
Obama’s admitted heavy marijuana and cocaine use in high school and college may well have played a decisive role in the development of Obama’s inflated sense of his own importance; and, his pretentious demeanor. Heavy drug use can lead to hallucinations concerning ones status of grandiosity. Another clue is Obama’s frequent confused and unintelligible babblings whenever he is subjected to a public forum where he is devoid of a prepared text by his handlers to read from; which is the reason that Obama's controllers will resist any attempt to have their candidate exposed to town-hall style forums.
Considering the fact that, if elected, Obama would be in proximity to the Nuclear Football 24/7, the American electorate has the right to know if Obama has any residual defect from his admittedly heavy former drug use. Obama's inability to overcome his nicotine dependency suggests that he remains vunerable to such addictions. Obama has the responsibility to submit to an independent medical examination to ascertain the facts concerning his substance abuse.
Until such concerns are put to rest, this man, who has exhibited a profound lack of common-sense, should never be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office. Greg Neubeck
June 25, 2008
10:17 a.m.
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JediMaster writes:
NoBama listened to rev. Wright for twenty years....How could any sane/reasonable person listen to Wright for even twenty seconds -- white, black, or whatever???
June 25, 2008
10:27 a.m.
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catzilla writes:
Is this country ready for a black president? Probably. Is Obama the right man, who knows? To be fair, none of the candidates have addressed the exploitation of the inner city residents. Why? Befcause they either aren't aware or don't care. Just get me into office and i will talk about it. Wrong answer!!!
As for "white guilt". That is and always has been a myth perpetuated by the media and certain candidates. Slavery happened and cannot be erased. That doesn't mean that all whites were slave owners. Get over it and address what is going on today instead of something that happened 150 years ago and cannot be undone.
Don't vote for a candidate because he is blanck or because he is white. Vote for the candidate that offers realistic solutions to this country's problems.
June 25, 2008
10:29 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
I agree with Louie who pointed out that Nader has a good basis for his argument but that his delivery is a bit puzzling. I don't get the connection that Obama's *avoiding* talking about the plight of the poor is somehow an appeal to white guilt? Seems it would be the opposite.
That being said, this is the first time I have ever been confused about something Nader said, because he is usually crystal clear and I tend to agree with just about all of his positions.
Froward: "Ralph, just realize most of us are so very pissed off at you for injecting yourself where you clearly do not belong. (seat belts by the way have only made me more dangerous to others.) you have become a conservative stooge with your rhetoric. The sad part is you do not even realize it. that alone disqualifies you for the Job."
Actually, Froward, if you research all of Nader's positions, you'll find they are right in line with a lot of your own posts on this forum (and mine!)
In fact, if Obama does not fight tooth and nail to remove telecom immunity from the upcoming FISA bill in the Senate, he's probably going to lose my vote and Nader will get it instead.
I already have some misgivings about Obama, including the fact he basically sold out Reverend Wright and his church. Then he just changed his stance on campaign funding. And now he's putting out statements that he basically supports the new FISA bill.
I'm sorry, but I am tired of electing Democrats with the slim hope that maybe this time they'll stand up and fight for justice. I keep getting disappointed, and after a certain point, one has to recall the old adage, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on ME..."
Nader is one man who cannot be bought, despite your belief he's on the Republican payroll. I honestly believe such suspicions stem from the fact that there are so few public figures left that we can trust, anyone who actually stands firm these days is automatically questioned as having an ulterior motive. A sad state of affairs.
June 25, 2008
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RikeMiley writes:
I can't believe how delusion everyone's comments are. First of all, "talking white" is not about how he sounds, his grammar, etc. Obama made a conscious decision to dismiss all intelligent analysis of race relations in the US in favor of the don't rock the boat, everything is rosy, there is no racism, horse manuer that corporate interests and, yes, white Americans, want to hear. Nader is calling him to task for this.
As an aside, "gneubeck", where have you been? Obama's drug use pales in comparison to George W. Bush's drug use, which was actually heavy. While McCain and Kerry were off killing Vietnamese civilians, Bush was on a decade long cocaine and alcohol bender. It's well documented, but apparently when rich white people do drugs it doesn't have any effect on their qualifications.
I will be voting for Ralph Nader for a 3rd time and a major part of this is because Obama has stripped himself of all progressive thought. Nader is correct to say that Obama is deceiving people. He talks in abstractions about hope and change, yet his policies are far from hopeful or change worthy. If you are worried about Obama being a peacenik, you can take comfort in his recent remarks to AIPAC. If you don't think that every human being deserves decent health care, you can take comfort in the fact that Obama's health care plan is one of the most corporate dominated that any candidate - democrat or republican - has introduced in years.
June 25, 2008
10:31 a.m.
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ChicagoRay writes:
Gomerspile writes "Reading most of the comments here, and it amazes me that you need to have it explained to you" Bravo....
At least someone here out of 50 comments understands and comprehends exactly what the author and Nader meant. I hate the guy but he meant that Obama "talks white" with his actions not his inflection and vernacular.
Talking White meaning he ignores the important black issues that need to be addressed by someone who purports to be an African American and kisses up to whitey and is only using his "blackness" as a tool.
The reason Obama does this is to ingratiate himself to white do gooder liberals on the left who have white guilt from America's past and think by electing this psuedo African American they can claim that were the "generation that enlightened and delivered America from it's racist past". And Nader's right when one understands what the f*** he was saying.
June 25, 2008
10:33 a.m.
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blue92 writes:
It disgusts me to hear an old white man who claims to be a great "liberal" icon continue to place his own political interests ahead of the country's. In the latest episode, Nader accuses Obama of "talking white." Nader thinks he knows best what people of color should think and how they should speak in public. Obama is our only chance to get out of Iraq, to improve the economy, and to save the Supreme Court. Apparently, Nader prefers for people of color to "speak like minorities" and to be satisfied with being his vice presidential candidate. After all, he's an old white man and he knows what's best.
June 25, 2008
10:34 a.m.
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aehtorod writes:
Nader's is the most racist comment to come out of Campaign 2008 yet! Imagine! Nader beating out the Clintons in racist slurs against Obama! The old man really is going downhill in a hurry.
June 25, 2008
10:37 a.m.
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trinidad writes:
obama IS shaming white people into voting for him because it would be the politically correct thing to do. looks like alot of you all are falling for it. the only thing democrats do to help poor people is keeping the welfare checks, foodstamps,medicaid and wic checks coming every month. they are buying the poor black and hispanic vote. i know this for a fact. i'm mexican(u.s. born). my mother was on welfare starting in the mid '80s('84 as i can remember). her social worker was always trying to get her off the system in the back to work program. she'd get a job. see her benefits decrease. quit, see her benefits increase. start a new job that her social worker got her and start all over again. she played this game until clinton was elected and didn't have to participate in the back to work program anymore thanks to the democrats telling her" we are here to help you". i was ashamed of her unwillingness to work to support her family and let the system take care of us. thank God when the youngest turned 18 she got kicked out of the system and had to earn a living by working. democrats keeps the poor where they want them-POOR AND IN NEED. the rich where they need them. a person who worked all their lives and suddenly finds themselves laid off doesn't qualify as easily due to their income from the previous year being too high. welfare should be for the working family needing help till they get back on their feet. not for people who don't want to work.
June 25, 2008
10:40 a.m.
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davies writes:
I hope McCain doesn't try to start talking in Ebonics. That would be horrible ;-)
June 25, 2008
10:41 a.m.
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ATOM4OBAMA writes:
Many have posed the question as to why Obama is often refered to as Black when he is biracial. The answer is quite simple. The US has had a "one drop rule" with regards to who is Black. This "rule" posits that anyone with a drop of African ancestry is Black. It was established during the jim crow era of the US. As ridiculous as the rule is, it is still common place for both whites and Blacks to refer to people this way. No such rule was ever established for the mixing of any other ethnic group with whites. That is to say, there is no historical evidence that such a standard was applied to those who might be white and Native american, white and Latino, or white and Asian. Interestingly enough, the US government has gone through great lengths to make sure that only certain people can be classified as white (eg white non-hispanic or hispanic non white). Even more peculiar, the US govt considers Arabs to be white. During the 2000 census, the govt defined being Black as "A person having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as "Black, African Am., or Negro," or provide written entries such as African American, Afro American, Kenyan, Nigerian, or Haitian." Therefore according to the US govt, Barack Obama is white. Ironically, though many laypeople and political pundits ask the same question as to why Obama isn't considered white, they never seem to question why the government uses pre-and post antebellum reasoning in their racial designations.
see: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta...
MarineGrunt, rather than rely on third party information, perhaps you should go to BarackObama.com for further details into Obama's plans for our country. Otherwise, Kerry was right in his reference to some military personnel.
June 25, 2008
10:41 a.m.
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Pillbug writes:
RikeMiley :
But by apealing to the phrase 'talking white' Nader is appealing to the worst instinct of human nature. Many us us are, or know, african american folks who have been demeaned publically, in school, or behind there back, for being 'too white.' Nader is calling him an Uncle Tom, and doing so in the most derogatory sense. He is using code words to appeal to racist instincts... and that, in itself is bigoted.
June 25, 2008
10:42 a.m.
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calv writes:
It's funny...Nader has ALWAYS been coo-koo and liberals have given him legitimacy. Now that he criticizes Obama, liberals say "Nader's crazy!"
riiiight....
June 25, 2008
10:44 a.m.
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June 25, 2008
10:47 a.m.
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Samba writes:
Nader ,living up to his name ,has sunk to a new low.
Why don't journalists ever ask what stocks he owns?
Nader's been levering liberal guilt for 40 years,and has contributed significntly to the Nanny state policies that the right attacks the Dems for. His unwillingness to make an effective coalition with Gore proved that he put his ego above his stated principles. If he'd made a deal to throw his support behind Gore,in exchange for policy concessions,he coulod have done some good for the causes he espouses. Instead he contributed to the election of Bush,and just about killed the Green party-who are mostly too politically naive to understand what happened.The argument that there's no difference between the Dems and Reps is totally disproven by comparing the last 8 years of Rs with the previous 8 years under the Ds. The so called Progressives who make this argument ,and continue to demand ideological purity just don't understand that they are a small minority and that they don't persuade the mainstream of the correctness of their views by blaming the mainstream. Rush Limbaugh's major tactic has been to work this division. If we are going to effectve a more just ,equitable environmentally healthy society we have to have overcome these divide and conquer tactics. nader,and manhy of his supporters play into the hands of the demagogues. I know Nader is intelligent enough to understand this,and has been in politics a long time. I question his integrity at this point- I suspect either his ego is out of control ,or he's been bought off
June 25, 2008
10:48 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
trinidad, what you really should be ashamed of is that you just sold your own mother out on a public forum. I hope you're just a troll for the cons, because the thought that anyone would actually say such sneering things about their own mother is revolting.
If this is really true, it sounds like she did attempt to work for a living several times, and discovered that she could better support her family on welfare, as sad as that is.
And what does that say about the job situation in this country?? That's not the fault of liberals, my friend, especially the ones who support a decent minimum wage so people like your mother can actually put food on the table for her family through a job instead of welfare.
June 25, 2008
10:48 a.m.
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dora.taylor writes:
I can't believe all of you are taking Nadar's statements seriously.
The man is completely out in left field, has been for years.
I take offense to Nadar's comments when he says that Obama is trying to "talk white". That is a phrase used by African Americans spoken to each other when the other person is perceived as trying to be better than others around them. "Talking white" means trying to sound educated when you are not. Just that remark in itself is either spoken out of ignorance by Nadar or it was used as a double entendre. Either way, Ralph needs to be put out to pasture.
June 25, 2008
10:52 a.m.
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AC writes:
Raises an interesting question:
Can Nader "talk black?" I don't think the clown even knows what he means. He's just throwing out words.
June 25, 2008
10:56 a.m.
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davies writes:
calv: Good point!
June 25, 2008
10:56 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
RikeMiley: "I can't believe how delusion everyone's comments are. First of all, "talking white" is not about how he sounds, his grammar, etc. Obama made a conscious decision to dismiss all intelligent analysis of race relations in the US in favor of the don't rock the boat, everything is rosy, there is no racism, horse manuer that corporate interests and, yes, white Americans, want to hear. Nader is calling him to task for this."
Thanks, that clarifies things for me. I agree that Obama is sugarcoating the real state of affairs in this country. I guess his advisors are telling him this is the best way to secure the nomination - and I think they're dead wrong. John Kerry's campaign should be indisputable proof of that.
June 25, 2008
10:59 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Davies, calv doesn't have a good point and certainly not a valid one. Most liberals have demonized Nader for years now. Which is a shame, because he's one of the last well-known public figures who truly has the people's interest at heart. But libs don't understand how this can be, because they can't let go of their belief he "spoiled" the 2000 election...
June 25, 2008
11:02 a.m.
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skullkrusher writes:
As always, Nader is a moron. "Economic exploitation" through "payday loans" in the ghetto? Hear that black people? Nader thinks you are too stupid to manage your own finances so he wants to do it for you.
Why is it that every time someone comes along with some decent ideas regarding breaking government free from corporate influence, holding companies responsible for their actions, etc, they have to couple it with tried and failed neo-marxist garbage?
June 25, 2008
11:10 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Pajama Pulitzer, thanks for calling out the unnecessarily abusive comments from pwern. Unfortunately, artstarzz response wasn't much better. I hit the "suggest removal" button for both.
Also, you stated: "I for one would get a huge kick out of hearing McCain use Ebonics. Where is Rich Little when you need him???"
Well, you could always check out Karl Rove's cringe-inducing attempt at rap in the meantime...http://youtube.com/watch?v...
June 25, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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morkos writes:
This quotation is being blown out of proportion and being used against the only candidate who speaks on behalf of the people in this country. It is tragic that everything takes on a racist interpolation instead of an honest evaluation of the issues. If the liberal media is so concerned with political correctness, they ought to scrutinize themselves for choosing to blackout Nader. He is of Lebanese descent, you know.
June 25, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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Ginsu writes:
I would have to agree with Nadar. His word choice was poor but his message was accurate. "talking white" was obviously describing the dynamic of appealing to the white power structure and not rocking the boat. "payday" loans are predatory - its the same type of exploitive loan practice that brough us the morgage collapse.
I would also agree that the democrats are making him a scapegoat. More Dems went republican than came over to Nadar. At least Nadar was representing issues that democrats should own themselves.
June 25, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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Samba writes:
PajamaPulitzer Your memory seems to be faulty The gaslines were in 74 ,when Republicans had the Whitehouse. Carter was elected in 76. His policy of progressive fuel economy standards would have eliminated the need for oil imports by 1990,but Reagan eliminated the standrds-as one of his very first acts of office. It was Reagan,you might recall who made deals with Iranian terrorists,trading them wepons,and who when the 240 marines were killed in Lebanon,withdrew ( after staging a phony invasion in the carribean to divert US public attention)This was the first retreat that emboldened the terrorists. Carter failed at playing the Washington game. But his policy objectives if acheived, would have avoided most of the mess we're in now ie Energy independence, tying US aid to American principles,not supporting oppresive regimes that don't afford basic Human rights to their citizens. Our support for the dictators of Saudi Arabia is a major cause of our being attacked by Saudi terrorists on 9-11 . If Carter's policies held sway,we would not be importing Saudi oil ,and they'd be on their own for military hardware to supress their people with.
June 25, 2008
11:14 a.m.
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dadpasadena writes:
Are we talking stereotype here? Why doesn't Nader talk about the inner-city and address those issues himself?! Wouldn't that be refreshing? Why do those issues have to be exclusively a black community issue? Maybe Nader needs to talk more "black"? Hey, white boy?
June 25, 2008
11:15 a.m.
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American100 writes:
Sheesh-Someone finally sees through Obama's race campaign?
His whole platform has been "I'm black, all minorities should vote for me".
Did he finally figure out that platform is talking down to minorites?
This "minority" will vote McCain only because it's voting against Obama.
June 25, 2008
11:16 a.m.
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AirMax95 writes:
Any way you want to view the comment it is still out of line. If Michael Vick had two minutes to win a football game and passed on every down and even passed for the winning touchdown, instead of running for the winning touchdown, people would state, oh he just played "white". Same rules apply in basketball, if you don't drive or dunk, and have a great outside shot, oh, you are playing "white". Dress white? Eat white? Dance white?
June 25, 2008
11:17 a.m.
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morkos writes:
Just because he criticizes Obama for not speaking doesn't mean that he should be held responsible in kind. The fact is that Obama's record in Ohio is not particularly good, and that individuals like Dennis Kucinich have a far better municipal and voting record.
June 25, 2008
11:22 a.m.
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Big_D writes:
"Do you remember the Shah of Iran getting shafted by Carter? Ahmadinejad is Carter's gift to the world."
I remember the Shah was torturing and killing his own people. I remember the GOP giving Ahmadinejad's group material support to hold the hostages until after Reagan was in office. I remember when the GOP committed treason. I also remember how they hid this when the Iran Contra Affair was exposed.
June 25, 2008
11:26 a.m.
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MrCrush writes:
Osama bin Obama will "talk white" or "talk black" at any time depending on which way the wind blows on a given day. He will pitch to the group he must to be president. Which is exactly why all of you should be very scared about electing this guy. I really don't know what he stands for at all except he is trying to make you think that terrorism is an issue we can "change" by not making it a priority any longer. How very, very dangerous he is. To suggest we need to "move on" from our stance on terrorism is a clear inviation for more attacks on this soil. The "lets all join hands for change" crap out of his mouth is going to get us all killed. Who do you really want running our military - this Democrat with his numerous moments of very, very poor judgement or a Republican with military and legislative experience who understands the enemy. God help us if Osama bin Obama is elected.
June 25, 2008
11:29 a.m.
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jay writes:
"Does this mean you want a 2nd Carter term?"
i hear rush limbaugh saying this same debunked talking point.
obama represents a third clinton term as their platforms are nearly identical...just as mccain represents a third bush term...as THEIR platforms are nearly identical.
guess which one of those outcomes is more desirable to the american people?
June 25, 2008
11:33 a.m.
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bugmenot writes:
It's no secret Obama is looking to play to white voters.
So what has Obama said about exploitation in the ghettos, payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, or lead?
When "nader s*cks" stops being an accepted as an intelligent rational response to such questions, give me a call.
June 25, 2008
11:52 a.m.
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June 25, 2008
11:52 a.m.
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ElliotJar writes:
Racism will be the wedge issue this time around. And what better really than a thing virtually everyone is guilty of.
I challenge those who blindly support Obama to explain to me specifically, other than skin tone,...what is the "Change"?
I could care less what color Obama is ((heres where you start to categorize me as racist)) he is just more of the same, with updated packaging.
Why when asked by USA today about impeachment did Obama say, "Impeachment: not acceptable"?! Because he's part of the club. Why would he even consider exploring Nuclear power? Because some of his supporters know that they will get to sell you that power, you can't have a reactor on your roof. Why does Obama support the Israeli military machine? Why hasn't Obama promised to cut our bloated military budget? Currently it makes up 1/2 of the federal budget? Why is he selling health insurance under the guise of "universal health care"? Why....because he's MORE OF THE SAME.
And when your more of the same,...you do have a white voice, and you do have a black voice, you are a master of rhetoric. At best that's what Obama is...an updated, more politically correct master of rhetoric. Where is the change?
Am I lacking the psychic powers others have to hear the change? Do you think that once elected Obama will do lots of additional things he just can't mention right now? Why would you believe that!? Is there something inherent in his skin tone that tells you he will fight for these causes he has yet to mention? Frankly, thats pretty naive & racist.
White guilt is absolutely real. And undeniably it is one of Obama's greatest assets for this election. To deny that is hilarity. I understand what Nader is going for...he's perfectly legitimate. And if the media wants to make that a big issue then go ahead. Just back that story with how racism is the the most crucial problem we need to address today. That story would be ridiculous! Yeah its a problem, but racism is not one of the biggest problems we face globally today. Yes racism is familiar, and easier to digest, But...it's easy to use to kill basically any gainful conversation with when you have emotional retards publicly representing alleged opposing factions. Its perfect...divide and conquer! For one peak oil is a way bigger problem. And the corporate control of our governments. Talk on that. Na...lets drag that old dead horse racism back out again...works every time.
Are you voting for Obama for what he is not? Or are you voting for him for what he is? Then please tell me specifically what the "Change" is!?
Should be simple.
Maybe then I'll stop voting for Nader. That is if my white guilt doesn't do it first. While your at it tell me why Gore/Lieberman & Kerry/Edwards were or were not also great men. Good luck.
ps do you think "old white men" ruined the world? The Germans felt the same way about the Jews pre-WWII ... scapegoats are easy.
June 25, 2008
11:55 a.m.
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TERRAist writes:
Mike Riley is Correct. And sadly, he is the only one commenting on this article with facts, truths, and rationale. All of you boasting about your political beliefs based off of pure emotion...well, it frightens me to belong to such a country where emotions override reason. No one has presented an argument based off real evidence like Mike has and only acted spitefully because someone dared stand against them on their personl feelings.
If feelings is what prevokes you...please do America a favor and seek out spiritual guidance, because seductive phrases like "change" and "hope" and "peace" can be heard in fairytales or biblical text. A president should have nothing to do with seduction of his people, but honesty and loyalty to his country.
Go Nader! and btw...seatbelts save lives, whomever suggested otherwise, get off the road!
June 25, 2008
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