Drivers feel $4 pinch at pump; oil prices likely to keep rising
By Todd Hartman, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Originally published 12:00 a.m., June 9, 2008
Updated 11:25 a.m., June 9, 2008
We asked visitors at the annual People's Fair in Civic Center on Sunday how they were coping with soaring gasoline prices. "I try not to drive one to two days a week. I think about whether we need to go somewhere," says Jeannie Schuman, 59, of Louisville. She added that she tries to combine errands.
"We moved." Dimoch moved from Colorado Springs to Aurora to be closer to his work in Watkins. He preferred to stay near his family in the Springs, but the cost of the commute has become too high. Brant Dimoch, 26, Aurora
"I'm not as hard on the gas pedal. I drive like my grandpa. I'm not dumping it to get ahead of the dude next to me." Dave Roseberry, 32, Arvada
The long-dreaded - but not unexpected - $4 gallon of gasoline arrived in Denver on Sunday, and resigned motorists were feeling the hurt.
"It's ridiculous," said Sam Sheehan, 28, filling up his Dodge Stratus for $4.09 a gallon at the Diamond Shamrock at South Colorado Boulevard and East Arkansas Avenue. "And I work for an oil company."
Which one? "I'd rather not say."
And that wasn't even the most expensive site. Two other stations - a Conoco in Centennial and another on Pena Boulevard near Denver International Airport - were higher, at $4.16 and $4.24 per gallon, according to the Web site denvergasprices.com.
Shaklr Mohammad didn't speak English very well, but the size of his eyes did all the talking when a reporter pointed out the price on the sign overhead at the Diamond Shamrock on Colorado Boulevard.
"Whooooo," he said, while topping off his tank. Maybe it's time to start riding his bike or taking the bus, he offered.
Gas prices are the talk of every town and Denver's no different. At the People's Fair in Civic Center, one of the most popular displays saw people frenetically filling out an electronic entry form to win a Smart Car, the fuel-sipping teeny-mobile that can get around 60 mpg.
One visitor, Dianna Haddad, noticed three hybrids parked near her car and was vowing to buy one herself next time.
Carrie Caston, 40, of Aurora, who described herself as a single mom and "barely making it," said rocketing gas prices are forcing her to be far more thoughtful about when she goes where. Her visit to the People's Fair was itself the result of a combined trip to a downtown church she wanted to visit.
Mike Ciaccio, filling his 2007 Nissan Versa at $4-plus a gallon, said he's using smaller cars when just "doing the business" of his landscape company, leaving his trucks for hauling equipment and supplies only.
Based in Idaho Springs, Ciaccio, 30, said he probably drives 1,000 miles a week dealing with various ventures and is spending $4,000 a month on gas.
He said the U.S. could take a lesson from Europe, where 45- miles-per-gallon cars are the norm. "We're definitely behind in gas mileage," Ciaccio said.
Then there was Debbie Ortmann, filling her sizable BMW X5 with a V-8 engine with nearly $75 worth of gas - and she was pumping the premium unleaded, at $4.35.
Her husband works - you guessed it - for an oil company, but she put on a brave face. "It's hurting all of us," she said of the up, up and away prices.
She said the family had the worst of bad timing, dumping 1985-era vehicles last fall, then leasing the big BMW in hopes it would get around better in winter (it does, she reports).
When the three-year lease is up? "If (gas prices) are still like this, we'll probably get something smaller, more efficient."
And in the if-you-can't-beat- 'em-join-'em department: Ibrahim Onsa, 36, of Denver, is less than a year from completing a degree in petroleum engineering at the Colorado School of Mines and is gearing up for work with a major oil concern.
Of the prices: "I'm not happy about it," he said while filling his four-door beater. Maybe not, but he sure had a big grin on his face.
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June 9, 2008
6:11 a.m.
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pjs writes:
re: "Based in Idaho Springs, Ciaccio, 30, said he probably drives 1,000 miles a week dealing with various ventures and is spending $4,000 a month on gas."
Even at $4/gallon, this math doesn't work out unless his car only gets about FIVE miles per gallon. While gas is expensive, let's at least try to keep the discussion honest without hyperbole.
June 9, 2008
6:20 a.m.
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Earl writes:
wow all of these comments are just like the ones we heard in the early 70's when gas hit $1.00 a gallon. but back then nobody cared because of the pending ice age coming.
here is an idea for everyone who is whinning about it. dont drive and take a bus or walk or ride a bike.
I did like the lady from the boulder area who is not driving on 1-2 days and combining trips but has no problem going to denver to the peoples fair. in her car and not by bus.
June 9, 2008
7:15 a.m.
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LingLingfor_prez writes:
I just stick to the math. It is still cheaper for me to drive than to take the bus. Once it is cheaper to take the bus, I will do so even though it will take me three times longer.
June 9, 2008
7:30 a.m.
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TC writes:
Gas's still cheap. The average person drives 1,000 a month. Your new Suburban gets 15 MPG. That's 67 gallons. That's $268 a month. Big deal.
June 9, 2008
7:37 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
It's a competive world market in oil. With China, India and the middle east driving more, it's putting a strain on the oil business. There is only so much the oil companies can do with the environmental laws the keep them from producing more oil. This country alone hasn't built an oil refinery in over 30 years. Oil refineries are supposed to be operating at 93% but right now they're at 88% and thats not good. American's should be glad that gas is only $4 because in Europe it's reached as high as $12.
June 9, 2008
8:02 a.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
Public transportation systems in America are mostly substandard. Where they work, they work well. They just don't reach enough locations efficiently.
Don't waste your breath blaming the drivers or people who run the system for this problem. Our public transportation systems are woefully underfunded.
The lack of funding is caused by Americans choosing to pay dollars for the gas-guzzler instead of pennies for an efficient rapid mass transit system. They'd also rather sit in traffic jams breathing poisonous fumes. Some folks have a funny idea of what freedom is.
High gas prices are a form of enlightenment.
Has it dawned on you yet that a vehicle that consumes gasoline or diesel is a form of slavery to the oil royals. It's a dead hulk without their juice. They enticed you to buy the hog and now it's eating you out of house and home.
There's a solution. Let the enlightenment of oil slavery fill your being. Feel free to be angry at the oil royals, but take care because that is not the solution.
The solution is to build a real mass transit system that uses electricity and runs on anything. Then we can use bicycles, feet, or even horses for local transportation. Personally, I like walking because it helps me to be fit. I like horses because most of them are smarter and have nicer personalities than a lot of people.
June 9, 2008
8:03 a.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
55mpg and I LOVE it!!
Everyone go out and buy yourself a KLR650 or a Trek 3500 and that will solve you local commute issue.
Another issue is the Enviro-Nazi's who raise holy hell when any attempts to open up a new Refinery. IF you can only make 1M gallons a day and the Country needs 2M, Supply and Demand!
Nuclear Power is the stop gap till we figure out the next big energy source!!
June 9, 2008
8:34 a.m.
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Tbone writes:
If its really a supply issue, why have the oil companies voluntairly closed over 30 refineries since the 70's?
June 9, 2008
8:42 a.m.
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socialobserver writes:
Last week I had a Letter to the Editor published in the RMN on the Buckley Annex Development, wherein I questioned how such a development can proceed with its proposed density levels with no substantial mass transportation planned for it. Even Marcia Johnson, the Councilperson for the district, has been quoted as saying there are no transit corridors in her district. Interpretation? There are no mass transportation plans being promoted or being pro-actively folded into the infrastructure for this new Lowry development.
We, as Lowry residents, were told by the city planners and politicians, they would deal with the mass transportation issues if and only if such transportation issues became problematic. Meaning…after the development has long been completed; the city and developers have absconded with their profits!
Yes…mass transportation system may be lacking in other areas in the state and country as well, but here in Denver anyway, it appears the political process is the primary cause behind it.
So I ask, what are our elected officials doing to address this problem; to make mass transportation more effective and efficient -- more USABLE -- here in Denver…to help offset our need to use our vehicles less in the future?
I can only base my response on what I’ve seen here as Lowry braces itself for the high density development of the Buckley Annex. My answer is a resounding NOTHING!!! Again…our elected officials have made it clear they will deal with the mass transportation issue only when it becomes problematic! I say, based on escalating fuel costs, that time is already here.
June 9, 2008
8:43 a.m.
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ffdwd writes:
Its a supply issue because China and India have become players in the global market. Their people want to enjoy the luxuries of automobiles just as we do and China is currently buying and stockpiling crude oil. Demand is increasing at rate higher than supply. Many analysts think peak oil production was achieved in the last 12-24 months. So its not so much of a supply issue....its the fact that current (and possibly future) supply can not keep up with demand.....
June 9, 2008
9:24 a.m.
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Dick_Tater writes:
Flavor of the month? Obesity at an all time high and we still cling to or cars complaining about gas prices. Face it, we as a country ( has nothing to do with the administration ) lavish ourselves with the latest in technology, oversized houses and new cars. Conservation is more than driving a civic.
June 9, 2008
9:39 a.m.
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cdmdenver writes:
MANIPULATED OIL PRICES
All these reasons why GAS prices are
so high are ridiculous!
Peak Oil, we need to drill here,
we need to drill there-
Maybe we can hold another worthless
Congressional Hearing!
Politicians purport to
care about U.S. citizens,
Truth is PEAK OIL People are making
RECORD PROFITS, GEORGE W.
and friends $$$
U.S. Dollar worthless, Iran will
not accept U.S. Dollar.
Follow the money trail-George W.
and friends will profit into eternity!
June 9, 2008
9:47 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Thank you Democrats!! for stone-walling all attempts to drill for oil in our own backyards; or use our vast oil-shale deposits; or develop nuclear energy.
Think of your gas prices when you get ready to pull the lever for all-talk-no-action Obama next November.
June 9, 2008
10:05 a.m.
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Ztliano writes:
I agree, gas is still cheap. Big woopie, you pump $50-$100 bucks more a month. I like it how the people interviewed have nice cushy jobs <except that one person>, I want to cuss them out for complaining. You should not be complaining unless you are going paycheck to paycheck!!! But, either way, It SHOULD BE $10 a gallon in my opinion. Hopefully we'll se $20 a gallon, so we'll wake up and speed up our mass transit options.
June 9, 2008
10:21 a.m.
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jay writes:
I'm sure the "right" would like to believe that their conspiracy theories about those evil environmentalists were true...but the numbers just don't add up.
1992
$19/barrel
$1.05/gallon
2000
$23/barrel
$1.42/gallon
today
$138.54/barrel
$3.92/gallon
other market factors are obviously at work here...
June 9, 2008
10:27 a.m.
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Rooster writes:
All of this conversation sounds familiar. In 1969, while stationed in Italy with the Air Force, and over a case of the newly released Boone's Farm Applewine, I recall spending the entire night debating whether the US would ever go to war in the middle east over OIL. At the time gas was about $4 per liter all over Europe. Gas was rationed in Italy. On the other hand, European autos were seemingly tiny in comparison with US autos and so the prices were somewhat acceptable.
So who is to blame? Let's blame somebody other than ourselves - it makes since. Blame the oil companies who can't get past the green people to drill and process. Blame the Republicans for making big profits because we won't conserve. Blame the Democrats for thinking green in our wildlife refuges and not changing the way business is done in Washington. How about we blame the radical right, left, middle and anyone who lobbies for or against making money. Dare we blame ourselves for our over-indulging ways?
Who has the solution? I dare say it's Jesse Ventura! He has said, and I think he is correct, we need to rid ourselves of the two-party political system to have better choices. If we could have a third candidate on the ballot in November called, "Noneoftheabove", who do you think would win?
I have always said if we don't ask our political candidates the right question, we won't get the right answers. So far all we ever get out of elections are promises. If it sounds good - say it. If it is good for one political party the other would find fault with it - to hell with the electorate, they don't know anything! It is time to test, and test, and test the power of the ballot! Vote your conscience in November and thereafter.
June 9, 2008
10:31 a.m.
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gethoht writes:
I just posted all of this in another article, but what the hey, I might as well shed some light on this situation, as most of the 'pubs on this board have no clue what is going on and like to blame everything on the dems and the enviromentalists...
It's not the enviromentalists or the suv drivers that are causing the price of gas to balloon, it's mainly the futures market, and the falling dollar that have sent the markets through the roof. Straight supply/demand is NOT what is causing oil to go through the roof. While demand worldwide is up, demand in the US is down(-4%). Also, while global demand might be up(2% up from last year), production is also way up(2.5%). Surpluses are also at record highs, so it's not a supply/demand issue. Oil isn't the only commodity that is at/near record highs, almost all of the other major commodities are way up right now(gold, etc...). When there is a falling dollar(probably the most invested currency in the world), then commodity prices will tend to spike as people look for safer, more tangible places to invest.
So, to summarize: the problem is alot more complex than "drive less" or "drill more". Drilling in ANWR or wherever else you want to really is a bad idea anyways and really doesn't solve the long term problems associated with oil. While "drive less" certainly would be better for everyone in terms of health and the environment, it probably wouldn't have too great an impact on oil prices(a few cents maybe). An economic collapse in Asia(ala 1997, when crude fell to $10/barrel), a strong dollar, or any number of things to frighten the futures market would most likely result in the most dramatic and immediate price drops for crude.
June 9, 2008
10:37 a.m.
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BJG writes:
I think we should have a day a week of gas purchase boycotts. Let it sit in the gas tanks at the stations. It will send a message to the gas hogs that run the companies & to their freind in Washington. Whatever happened to power to the people, not the gas and oil industries. Only one day a week, no one buys gas at any station in the US, without exception. One day a week!
June 9, 2008
10:50 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Bottom Line: The various governments make more of a profit (through taxes) off of a gallon of gas than the oil companies do.
It isn't "Big Oil" that's the problem - it's "Big Government".
June 9, 2008
11:01 a.m.
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jay writes:
"What you fail to take into account is the Al Gore , sky is falling and global warming is only caused by man and we all need to pay more mass hysteria."
no, yiota...i'm well aware of the existence of that particular far right wing conspiracy theory.
here's some info that i think you and bigfoot would do well to absorb:
Drilling permits issued:
2006 - 5904 (a record, double the 2004 number)
2007 - 6386 permits issued
2008 - on pace for 8000 permits.
i can't take credit for compiling this info as it was tbone that brought this up on another thread...but i feel it is particularly relevant when debunking the anti-drilling boogeymen myth.
June 9, 2008
11:30 a.m.
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jay writes:
you think because wise global leaders acknowledge that alternative energy resources are a necessity as the world moves away from fossil fuels is proof that your al gore economic ruin conspiracy theory is true?
is elvis in on it too?
June 9, 2008
11:47 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
YIOTA, please do us all a favor and ignore the immature rants of zweivierzwei. That person is not making any friends on either side.
June 9, 2008
12:17 p.m.
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prk166 writes:
"here's some info that i think you and bigfoot would do well to absorb:
Drilling permits issued:
2006 - 5904 (a record, double the 2004 number)
2007 - 6386 permits issued
2008 - on pace for 8000 permits.
i can't take credit for compiling this info as it was tbone that brought this up on another thread...but i feel it is particularly relevant when debunking the anti-drilling boogeymen myth."
--- so there are a few more drilling permits. The fact remains that 3/4th of the offshore areas in the US alone are off limits to drilling. Time to open those up. As we can see with the drilling in the Gulf of Mexico the world won't end.
June 9, 2008
12:26 p.m.
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Big_D writes:
Bakkan is in North Dakota and you can drive there and drill a well and it has more oil than ANWR. So it isn't ANWR access that is holding the prices up. We didn't sign Kyoto and we don't have a carbon tax so don't blame environmentalists. Clinton kept prices in check for all eight years so don’t blame democrats. Bush and his oil buddies are controlling both policy and prices so they may be worth looking at. Seems most crimes including wartime profiteering seem to follow the money so who is making the money? Isn’t it sad that the country that attacked us on 911 is making that money and isn’t it sad that Bin Ladin said he would attack us economically after they attacked us on 911 with his inside operatives. I guess you all just believe in coincidence. I think we have an enemy in our midst and a certain group is so driven politically they don’t even realize the problem because they are seduced by the power they have. I bet they even have a tendency to hide behind patriotism because they are scoundrels. I bet they even share some fundamentalist beliefs with the people they use within our system and may have some common economic ground like they profit from oil sales. Just a guess but I’m sure you guys think aliens and Chinese people are to blame. You don't think there is a chance the people who attacked us directly still do not like us do you?
June 9, 2008
12:27 p.m.
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jay writes:
"Once again who do you think is going to pay for the development of those alternative fuels?"
Good question. Lucky for us, we already have a centuries old, tried and true system in place just for this type of thing. G\That successful system is gov't funded R & D combined with a motivated marketplace.
We could supplement the funding already in place by increasing much needed oversight on the War Dept and doing away with corporate welfare for oil companies. We could literally gleen BILLIONS a year from those two enterprises alone...thus invalidating your conspiracy theory about financial ruin because of evil Al Gore and those blackhearted environmentalists.
You could try to salvage the point by saying that the oil companies NEED that corporate welfare. Interesting position should that be it (I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you won't go there), and while Rush might agree with you, I do not. You see, I thought oil companies didn't have any effect on gas prices...and thus were insulated from charges of "price gouging", no? If they do have an effect on gas prices then why give them tax breaks to pad their profits? They make very healthy margins without us losing that revenue as a country, don't they?
Such is the dilemma of those blindly parroting the talking points designed to "save" those poor oil companies from those that would do them so much harm.
Anyway, I digress.
Back to the point. The system discussed has produced some of the greatest technological advances of our time by saving millions of lives. I don't see a need to do away with this successful infrastructure for the sake of politics for the "just" causes of stifling stem cell research or continuing to pad the oil companies coffers with huge tax breaks.
I'd prefer we let that system do its work and even supplement the resources available to it, considering the harm done to us as a country because of our dependence on fossil fuels. Might want to make that one a priority...considering what happened in 9/11.
That's just one guy talking.
Regardless, I don't see a conspiracy at work there.
June 9, 2008
12:30 p.m.
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davies writes:
Well if these kinds of conversations continue, we'll all end up killing one another and then there should be a pretty steep drop in demand ;-)
But I hear that U.S. gas consumption is down 4% for the year already, and that's almost a frickin' miracle. So in the long run I think we will adapt and it might even be to our benefit. We gotta kick some wasteful habits, folks, and the sooner you get used to the idea, the better off you'll be.
June 9, 2008
12:35 p.m.
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Big_D writes:
My only regret is that I didn’t open my scooter store and spent my money on a trip my wife wanted when I saw this coming. I bet if somebody had the money to invest they could buy scooters from China directly and sell them at about a 500 dollar a unit profit if they had the money to buy ten to start with. You will need a repair facility on contract and you will need to take the Dealer’s license exam to get started. My contracted repair shop liked working on small engines and would have been happy for the extra work. You will need about 10K to get started.
June 9, 2008
12:41 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
Big_D,
I'm in! Actually, I have been thinking about that idea myself. I have some money to invest.
davies,
are you here to rescue me?
June 9, 2008
12:51 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
jay...
"The system discussed has produced some of the greatest technological advances of our time by saving millions of lives. "
Examples?
June 9, 2008
12:57 p.m.
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davies writes:
Think I might get one of those scooters myself one of these days. Not a smoke-spewing one from frickin' China, although I see where you're coming from with the low price point. No, I've gotta do my research and make sure I get one with sex appeal. Yeah, you Harley dudes better watch your women...
June 9, 2008
1 p.m.
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davies writes:
Heidi, I'll pick you up on my new scooter.
Uhhhhhh... can you maybe tell me the kind of scooter on which you'd like to be picked up?
June 9, 2008
1:06 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
I bet Bush and all friends are making money off of it. When Jr. got in office gas was $1.89 now $4.05. Mission accomplished!
June 9, 2008
1:10 p.m.
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my3pugs writes:
Trolls!
Know 'em.
Love 'em.
Don't respond to 'em.
June 9, 2008
1:15 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
SASQUATCH
Do you live in Utah? If not, you should.
OBAMA "08"
June 9, 2008
1:18 p.m.
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davies writes:
my3pugs: Look - dueling trolls - watch 'em mud wrestle!
June 9, 2008
1:22 p.m.
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Big_D writes:
http://www.scooterdepot.us
You will get the quantity break at 6 but its better at 10. I was planning on buying a mix of classic style and newer street models. They will work with you on becoming a dealer. The 150cc units make better street machines for cities. Make sure you go to Bell or Shoei and buy some helmets to sell too. I don't have a store front to work with any more so feel free to use my business model. I will not have 10K to invest for a long while now.
June 9, 2008
1:23 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
davies
I think you should run for office and have SAS as your VP. Together you two DS's would get two votes. Have you thought about Uhah?
June 9, 2008
1:32 p.m.
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Big_D writes:
YIOTA,
I agree about Bill. He is a politician with no requirements to stay in office and if you don't want him calling you out making him a rich friend would be a good method to muzzle him. I have noticed a pattern that many that speak out suddenly get rich and sit down. I hope Obama can resist the temptation of the amounts of money they are buying our government with. They have some deep pockets.
June 9, 2008
1:35 p.m.
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robertzimmerman writes:
Rooster shows his ignorance:
"At the time [1969] gas was about $4 per liter all over Europe."
Are you telling me that it's come down to about $2 per liter since then?
June 9, 2008
1:36 p.m.
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Big_D writes:
In Roman times if you bribed a politician you were bound in a bag and thrown to a hungry wild animal. Today if you bribe a politician you get to take part in a closed door policy meeting.
June 9, 2008
1:52 p.m.
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davies writes:
Oh Danny boy: I think about U-hah every time I read your posts. Thanks for the endorsement, but you and I can at least both agree that I could not possibly represent you.
June 9, 2008
2:15 p.m.
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elkman writes:
zweivierzwei
Back to your same old abuse. You must have something for your own mom. Believe its called an Oedipus complex. Or did your mommy not give you your juice box this morning. You are getting to be like a broken record with the same old insults. Talk like a grown up!
June 9, 2008
2:25 p.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
With you PP its damned if you do and damned if you don't huh?
I swear.. you whine and cry to just hear yourself!!
June 9, 2008
2:29 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
YIOTA
So do you think any democrats are making out as well or only the mean money making republicans?
My point was Jr. and dad are making money off of it. Any Dems, is not the pres of the U.S.
June 9, 2008
2:54 p.m.
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jay writes:
"if we pulled this tax break away, the oil companies would most certainly just raise the prices to get this back."
yiota, i preeminently debunked this myth in my previous post answering your question.
"As for govt R&D, the oil gas tax break is just that. That is what it is in place for, to give these companies incentive to continue to explore for new sources of oil."
It is one thing to give the oil companies tax breaks on the development of brand new technology. However, if you're mischaracterizing "research and develop" in order to hide the fact that this position is invalid because it is supporting the subsidizing of EXPLORATION...then of course you can correct me, but if not, then this point isn't valid.
can we agree then, that the chicken little talk about the nefarious plans of the ranks of environmentalists out there is really kind of silly?
furthermore, can we agree that the plan i laid out would allow us to increase resources for the development of alternative energy sources without raising taxes on american citizens? can we also agree that such a step is not only responsible, but inevitable considering the ramifications to our oil addiction that we previously discussed?
June 9, 2008
2:59 p.m.
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Charles_B writes:
The innocent victim kicked the dirt and projected:
"Thanks, seems that zweivierzwei has a hard time debating a topic. Unless ranting and spewing hatred is a form of debating."
Then proceeded to lay out in fine detail how another poster he disagreed with could remove his head from his rectum, forcing the moderator to remove yet another of his postings.
YIOTA's self-awareness = Zero.
June 9, 2008
3:04 p.m.
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gethoht writes:
Holy crap,
This thread turned into a flame-fest quick! Trolls trolls and more trolls.
Bottom line is it's the futures market and a worthless dollar that is causing the ridiculous price of sweet light crude to set a new record every day. New refineries, or drilling for more oil isn't really going to change the price that much. It is the speculative futures market that is driving the price up!
http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle...
Please oh please do some research on the subject! Be informed! It's really the best way to live your life. It's silly to blame the democrats or al gore, when it's really not their fault. It seems that people would rather be uninformed in such a way that fits their ideological viewpoints instead of taking a good look at the issues, researching and understanding what is really going on. There are usually more than two sides to any issue.
June 9, 2008
3:06 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
Big_D, thanks for the advice.
davies, unfortunately, I don't know a damn thing about scooters (until I look at the web site). I just thought there might be money in that business. I passed one on the road today on my bicycle. Of course, I was going downhill!
June 9, 2008
3:16 p.m.
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Charles_B writes:
YIOTA's self awareness still = 0.
June 9, 2008
3:21 p.m.
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elkman writes:
sweivierzwei
First of all, I do not have any "ideological" comrades. Don't have any use for them either. Secondly, you have no idea what a retard is. If so, you would not be making fun of them. Thirdly, no one asked you to be a choir boy. But grow and and try some adult talk. And fourthly, from a lot of blogs written today, looks like lots of people think you are useless. Go ahead and take out your frustrations on every one. Who cares? You sure seem to think you are a big man, spewing nasty insults at everyone. Just goes to show most people what a loser and coward you really are.
And about my momma. She passed away. So, aren't you the smart one? And further still, you seem quite willing to project your personal perversions on everyone else. Then, when someone calls you on it, you wimper like a wipped dog. I am not a consertive. So, once again, your thoughts betray you. You have mush in your brain. You are the coward. Thanks for admitting that you are a b*st*rd. Course, everyone knows that already. Are you 54 and still living at home? Peckman, is that you?
June 9, 2008
3:29 p.m.
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elkman writes:
And before all you spelling bee champions get on my case for my spelling, sorry. And the note was for zweivierzwei.
June 9, 2008
3:32 p.m.
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Charles_B writes:
The new reality regarding the cost of gasoline will result in one of two possible outcomes:
1) We will whine and cry and point fingers of blame at each other.
2) We will view the problem as an opportunity to re-examine how we live both individually and collectively and make changes that will have a positive effect on the future of humanity.
It might sound cheesy, but it is true.
Holier than Thou said it well in his post above: "High gas prices are a form of enlightenment."
I disagree in one respect: I think they have the *potential* to be a form of enlightenment, but there is no guarantee. That much is plainly evident in some of the responses on this thread.
Now if you'll pardon me I just came up with this brilliant idea to open a scooter store..
June 9, 2008
3:59 p.m.
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davies writes:
Preach it Brother Charles! We were never going to change until we got a good kick in the butt, and we got one. In the end, if we stop sending so many petrodollars to our 'friends' elsewhere, it will have been worth it. Unfortunately, if you like driving around by yourself in your 12 MPG monster, and/or you live 45, 50, 60 miles from where you work, you are not in a good position right now. We all gotta adapt to one thing or another.
June 9, 2008
4:01 p.m.
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elkman writes:
zweivierzwei
My only object is to expose you for what you are. Nothing. And, why are you bringing politics into the conversation? And, yes, you do think you are a big man. My guess is that you just like to insult people because you are so angry with your life. I happen to be quite happy. The only person you see in the mirror is your own sorry self. I see some pretty smart people blogging here, however, you are not one of them. If you are so smart and not a "waster of time", what are you doing blogging all the time? Nothing else to do I imagine. For the record, I am not better than anyone else on this site. Just entitled to my opinion, which you think no one else should have. I have not asked anyone to believe anything I have said. Just stated my opinion about you. So, go ahead and be angry at the world. Who cares?
June 9, 2008
4:21 p.m.
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elkman writes:
zweivierzwei
I imagine not too many people have a use for you. My insults are nothing compared to yours. You make fun of people and act like some kind of police of the blog site. I have called you nothing more than what you are. Next time you look in the mirror, take a closer, longer, look. You will not like what you see.
June 9, 2008
4:25 p.m.
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Big_D writes:
I think they could cure a lot of our problems by paying the President 50 to 100 million a year so they could expect them to COMPLETELY divest before taking office. Otherwise we will have good presidents until they find their price and get bought out. Capitalism is our greatest strength and what we can never win in wars we can have our enemies beg for if we just have faith in our system. Influence peddling and closed systems are jerking around the real virtues in our system.
June 9, 2008
4:33 p.m.
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Big_D writes:
We can't seem to end the war in Iraq with all the technology in the world but we made the USSR crumble with M&M's, blue jeans, and Rock n' Roll.
June 9, 2008
4:35 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
zweivierzwei,
I don't have anything personal against you or anyone on here. In fact, I respect you for what you wrote in your post at 3:48 and for another one you wrote on a different string today.
I have been participating on the RMN blogs for the past few months, and can honestly say that I have never seen so much hostility come from so many people. I know that I haven't been a saint, but I try to not throw judgements or personal insults at anyone. Plus, I have had some fun with a few stories, making stupid, silly remarks. I guess it is easy to be bold here.
I have found it interesting to see so many different viewpoints on so many topics.
I don't think everyone here is a loser and a coward as you stated but have experienced how easy it is to be caught up in this. I do agree with this: "any one of us could be out there actually "doing" something, but we find it a better use of time to spout a bunch of half-baked opinionated tripe on a 2nd-rate newspaper website."
June 9, 2008
4:58 p.m.
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Frisco337 writes:
I just paid $3.66 per gallon in Walsenburg, Co--today at 12:00 pm. 20 miles north the price was $4.15 per gallon. The stations both pay the same amount as fuel is a fungible commodity. There is international and national gauging going on, but, its going on a home too. Why is Walsenburg cheaper than Denver?
June 9, 2008
5:13 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
Thank you, zweivierzwei. It feels good to make peace with someone, doesn't it? Sometimes, I wonder if any of us know each other in "real" life, and not even realize it. I have friends whom I disagree with on some topics, so we choose not to talk about it most of the time.
I suppose there is a lot to be learned from someone when you challenge them. It is probably easier in this forum to do that. Plus, you won't be making enemies out of your real friends.
June 9, 2008
5:29 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
Most of the insults that I have read, some of them from you today towards others, I have not heard before. Is there a class on that? Or is it just too much time spent here? So much imagination.
June 9, 2008
5:43 p.m.
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Charles_B writes:
YIOTA:
I'm perfectly happy to have reasonable conversations with people who's first responses to me aren't rehearsed and vivid explanations about how to pull my head from my arse.
That's how you introduced yourself to me and set the stage for my subsequent acrimonious reactions to your postings.
I'll consider our enmity water under the bridge from now until you take it there again.
June 9, 2008
5:54 p.m.
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Big_D writes:
My question is if Obama makes a major impact on fuel prices will all you Dem bashers stop it and vote for his second term? I know most of you will vote for somebody the GOP has labeled as mentally unstable but if he loses and Obama wins and works will you vote for him next time?
June 9, 2008
5:59 p.m.
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Big_D writes:
SACSQUAT,
The wind farm in Weld is going full guns and producing big time. You should spend some time researching. I guess that would interfere with your arrogance and ignorance angle.
June 9, 2008
9:43 p.m.
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davies writes:
Heidi the peacemaker: You have mixed results, but I'd say you did pretty well.
Big_D Question: "My question is if Obama makes a major impact on fuel prices will all you Dem bashers stop it and vote for his second term?"
Answer: If he governs reasonably well, wisely and courageously, yes, I would vote for him. But no, I can't stop bashing the Dems altogether - what about "we lost the war" Reid? What about "pay as you go" Pelosi? Could you make such a promise?
One of the biggest myths in politics is that presidents can do much about the economy anyway. I respect Obama enough that I don't think he'll be making any bold statements about fuel prices coming down if he's elected. In fact, if fuel prices come down this Fall, you and I both know that we'll be reading right here about how it's a Republican conspiracy to help elect McCain. Probably something Rush thought up, eh?
June 9, 2008
9:50 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
davies, I was just shutting down for the night. Mixed results, huh? Hmmm....does that mean you are mad at me?
I hope all is well down there tonight.
June 10, 2008
8:32 a.m.
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davies writes:
Now why would I be mad at you? Blessed are the peacemakers, who soothe the savage beasts such as 2by4...
June 10, 2008
8:55 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
Well, I'm mad at you, davies. I waited all night for you to pick my up on your scooter and you didn't show. I was worried that you got smashed by some SUV that rolled over on you.
June 10, 2008
10:31 a.m.
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davies writes:
I was on my way but my necktie whipped me in the face and I ran off the road and sustained a groin injury. I'm glad they have internet access in the hospital ICU so I could let you know I'm probably going to live to post another day...
June 10, 2008
11:11 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
davies, don't you know that neckties are "out"? Do you also have a pocket protector?
Well, I'm glad that you will recover. I don't think I will invest in a scooter shop now.
June 10, 2008
12:52 p.m.
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Big_D writes:
Davies,
You should look at Afghanistan where the poppies are blooming and the Taliban is paying twice what the government does for soldiers. Where convoys of black tar heroin are traveling the roads unchallenged because our troops don't have the resources to stop or fight because of Iraq. Al Quiada is almost back to its pre 911 funding in Afghanistan and if you don't think that is Bush losing the war you apparently have bought so much of the propaganda you don't even remember who attacked us on 911. The CIA willfully letting Al Quiada reestablish the heroin trade and funding chain for terrorist gives credence to the Truthers statements about 911 being an inside job. I don't believe the Truthers but we sure as heck are not focusing on the real terrorists. Reid is right that we are losing the war on terror to support the war on Iraq.
June 10, 2008
1:34 p.m.
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davies writes:
Reid can make his concerns about wartime priorities known without declaring the war in Iraq a lost cause, which is exactly what he did, giving aid and comfort to the enemy and giving our fighting troops reason to question whether their own government (or at least the majority party) still supported them. Reid was wrong and arguably traitorous.
Otherwise, I take your point about Afghanistan. Disturbing news from over there on the conduct of our "ally" Pakistan too.
9-11 an inside job? That is a contemptible excuse for people to remain in denial when war has been thrust upon us. You read and quote that stuff at the risk of your own credibility.
June 10, 2008
2:15 p.m.
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Big_D writes:
So by your measure if you used it fairly Bush would be treasonous for leaving Afghanistan. You seem to only to see one side of the debacle which is the observer of the ball being dropped instead of the ball dropper. I would rather have healthy critics and healthy policy seems we have healthy critics and failed policy as far as the war on terror goes. Where has Osama been? The Iraq Al Quiada is home grown.
June 11, 2008
11:22 a.m.
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gr8fuldude writes:
"I'm not as hard on the gas pedal. I drive like my grandpa. I'm not dumping it to get ahead of the dude next to me." Dave Roseberry, 32, Arvada
If this moron and others like him would have figured this out when they started driving, maybe we would not be as deep into this mess. It is the height of narcissism to drive like you have to be the first guy at the red light.
Bring on $9/gallon. I'll wave at you from my seat on the bus.