City pulls plug on cheap gasoline for DNC
It can't legally sell fuel to planners, officials concede
By Daniel J. Chacon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact), Kevin Vaughan, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published July 30, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.
Denver officials abruptly have stopped allowing Democratic National Convention planners to gas up at city pumps, acknowledging that the city can't legally sell fuel.
Public Works Department representatives also acknowledged that they never should have started selling gasoline to convention planners back in March before signing a contract with either the Denver 2008 Host Committee or the Democratic National Convention Committee.
The arrangement sparked an outcry after Public Works representatives first said that convention planners would not be charged the 40.4 cents a gallon gasoline tax and then said they would not be subject to other fees paid by drivers who use commercial pumps.
Public Works officials later said the taxes and fees would be paid.
Public Works deputy manager George Delaney sent a letter to City Council members Tuesday saying that the arrangement would be scuttled. Instead, the host committee, which raises money to put on the convention, and the DNCC entered an agreement with a private fuel vendor for gasoline for the fleet of vehicles it is using.
Delaney said in the letter that the arrangement "highlighted two fundamental issues" for the department.
First, Delaney wrote, a contract should have been in place before any fuel was dispensed. Second, "There are better ways to structure the contract than what was initially proposed."
"I want to give them credit, but I think they were forced into this decision," Councilman Charlie Brown said. "The public perception was a disaster; the whole thing was a disaster."
Councilwoman Jeanne Faatz, who had questioned the deal, said that ending the practice was a "wise decision."
"It takes the city out of the middle, and I'm not sure the city should have been in the middle to begin with," she said.
Denver Auditor Dennis Gallagher also questioned the deal, noting that the city never should have dispensed fuel without a contract.
"We will obviously be keeping an extremely close eye on anything coming through for the DNC," said Denis Berckefeldt, a spokesman for Gallagher. "We were already, but this deal raised our level of scrutiny."
The arrangement has been muddled since it first came up last week in a meeting with Mayor John Hickenlooper and City Council members.
First, Public Works said that convention planners would not have to pay fuel taxes. Then the department insisted that the planners would pay, after the controversy erupted and state Attorney General John Suthers said that the practice was probably illegal.
Then, Public Works spokeswoman Ann Williams said that the two DNC-related committees would be billed at the "market rate," as established by the Oil Price Information Service, a price that does not include various fees paid by consumers. But Williams said Tuesday that the convention committees would pay the fees.
Later in the day, the city announced that the arrangement had ended and that convention planners would go elsewhere for fuel, with one exception - biodiesel to power buses used by the organizations. The city is apparently the only biodiesel supplier that can supply the fuel in the volume that the convention organizations need, Delaney said.
Convention planners will pay a private vendor which, in turn, will reimburse Public Works for the fuel already pumped and for the biodiesel they continue to use.
Records that the city provided to the Rocky Mountain News show that 61 convention vehicles had been fueled at city pumps, resulting in a total bill of more than $11,000.
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July 30, 2008
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jax writes:
"...and state Attorney General John Suthers said that the practice was probably illegal."
Nah, really? Private entity & private vehicles using City fuel...illegal? Huh, who woulda thunk it?
Stupid is, as stupid does.
July 30, 2008
4:18 a.m.
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Shadow writes:
So case closed, no harm no foul? How about demanding the release of the names of those who were fueling the vehicals. Not just a id number and car number. Why can not the people know who was (in state A.G. terms) probably breaking the law?
If Denver was hosting the GOP convention you can gaurantee that these names would be released and it would be called illegal not probabaly illegal.
July 30, 2008
4:59 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
Shadow
Mom likes you best!!!!!
Shadow growup.
July 30, 2008
5:33 a.m.
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alwaysright writes:
Darn I was hoping they would raise our taxes to pay for it.
July 30, 2008
5:56 a.m.
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samsmargolis writes:
So, when can we expect Hickenlooper to be criminally charged? If this was illegal, was there a crime report filed? Or, is this yet another "unreported" crime that allows Denver to claim their crime rate is dropping when, in fact, they're just not taking reports on the crime that's out there?
July 30, 2008
6:04 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
samsmargolis
Bush set the bar high for politicians to commit crimes and not get charged.
July 30, 2008
6:29 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
Just another way the Democrats are trying to cheat the system...what's next, dead people voting? Oh wait, nevermind...
July 30, 2008
7:10 a.m.
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sheepherder writes:
Impeach Obama...sorry, jumped the gun on that one a little!
July 30, 2008
7:12 a.m.
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Gonzopozo writes:
Ah, who cares? Can I get the DNC organizers to give me a ride to Black Hawk?
July 30, 2008
7:20 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
Burning the Constitution? Hmmm, yeah I think not.
July 30, 2008
7:35 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
The DNC making this decision is got me just as excited as McSame promising yesterday that he will not raise taxes (another typical con election BS). And he didn't even use "READ MY LIPS"
July 30, 2008
7:42 a.m.
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LuvAmerica writes:
I'm waiting to see how the cons here blame Sen. Stevens on the Democrats.
July 30, 2008
7:50 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
Froward- How are Nancy Pelosi trying to strip the 1st amendment so she can limit conservative talk shows because Air America didn't work out so great. How about Russ Feingold taking away my right to give money to whoever I want too (yes I know GWB signed into the law the SCOTUS upheld it and McCain blah blah), it's still a violation! How about Mr. Obama wanting to deny my right to own a gun, but oh wait SCOTUS overturned that rule so now I support guns (yeah right).
July 30, 2008
7:59 a.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Denver Democrat party hacks finally were forced to admit that their corrupt scheme was illegal.
Which Democrats will be prosecuted for stealing from taxpayers?
Which Democrats will do jail time for their illegal activities?
Which Democrats in the Obama circle were involved in the illegal activities?
Did Obama approve his mindless minions stealing from taxpayers?
Did Obama direct the criminal activities?
What did Obama know about the illegal activities and when did he know it?
Time for the media to stop sugar coating the Democrats illegal activities and start reporting on them.... just like the Denver media has covered up the admission by Hickenblunder in the LA Times that if he had it to do over again, he wouldn't have accepted the Democrat convention. Of course, if he had a brain he would have realized the stupidity of allowing a bunch of Democrat criminals to come to Denver when no other city would accept the criminals or their fatcat party convention.
July 30, 2008
8:25 a.m.
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toocool writes:
Now that some of the "gas" odor has left Council chambers and the original offence blessed as "less offensive" by Public Works (the same folks that brought you the street repair scandal several decades ago), makes one think, what else have they hidden and given away?
July 30, 2008
8:37 a.m.
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fencergal writes:
Froward69-- You have one of the worst case of BDS I have ever observed. THrowing out accusations, nothing to back them up.
July 30, 2008
8:38 a.m.
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davies writes:
The important issue concerning this story is that Hickenlooper pledged that taxpayers would NOT pay for any of the costs for the DNC. That pledge was broken by Hick himself, or someone in his administration. If the DNC buys fuel without paying taxes and fees, then taxpayers are clearly subsidizing DNC's fuel costs.
It's not a Democrat versus Republican issue, just as with the home improvements for the geriatric Senator Stevens in Alaska. The issue is honesty versus "special deals" (corruption).
July 30, 2008
8:43 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
Yes Froward- Conservative talk radio caused the guy in TN to kill liberals! I think I heard that episode on Hannity the other day, yep he clearly said for that ONE guy to kill those people.
How about this, people should take responsiblity for there own actions instead of blaming others. I'm blaming the crazy man, you know the one responsible for this and not talk show hosts.
BTW, it's Reid, not Reed...
July 30, 2008
8:53 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
MarineGrunt
Your showing your intelligence again.
Yes all Presidents have raised taxes. What I was saying is the Republicans run on the same format year after year ("I WILL GIVE YOU TAX CUTS AND HE WILL RAISE THEM") BS. Scare tactics is in their manual for how to get elected. Then with this guy (McSame) he wants to throw in I'm a former POW and do your patriotic duty and vote for me.
July 30, 2008
8:57 a.m.
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Diff writes:
' bout time! - and I think the state should make them pay the tax on the gasoline they did get at the city pumps. It could be calculated and back charged.
July 30, 2008
9 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
I have not once heard any conservative pundit say that people should go off killing each other. I'm pretty sure if one did, it would be all over the news.
At least I'm voting for someone with a record that can fall back on and not an empty suit and can't figure things out, nor give a speech with a telepromter in front of him. Oh, btw some the "facts" that Obama stated in Berlin, where actually wrong. Hmm, maybe he should get a new speech writer?
July 30, 2008
9:01 a.m.
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davies writes:
I'll talk, and you people listen:
When debating whether or not to drill offshore or in ANWR, focusing on whether or not it will lower the price of oil misses the point. The important issue is that for example, if there are one billion barrels of oil that can be taken from drilling in ANWR, then at today's prices that would be $140 billion that stays in the USA (whether or not China buys it), instead of $140 billion going to Saudi Arabia or whereever.
High fuel prices are here to stay, and that fact in and of itself will do more to encourage development of alternative energy sources than all the politicians, Dem or GOP, could ever accomplish. In the meantime, utilizing as much of our own resources as possible will decrease our dependence on foreign oil and improve our economy's ability to maintain growth and jobs, so we can afford little things like food and fuel. We do all agree we like jobs, don't we?
July 30, 2008
9:07 a.m.
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jwbeuk writes:
hey froward 69, the luny left (of which you belong) do state their opinion about killing conservatives every day. Ever listen to or read Air America, Daily Koz, Huffington Post, etc? As for your arguments, they all come from your luny left websites and Obama talking points. This country has the ability to provide clean power (nuclear), increase supply (which will have an immediate affect, already has) and look at alternatives. The idea that Barry and his Green Technology government run boondogle will help out the avg American anytime in the near future is laughable.
July 30, 2008
9:13 a.m.
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Frontranger writes:
Some of you neo-cons here seem like you are boderline retarded. Its scary and very sad.
Regarding the story, they did the right thing by shutting this down. It seems that the bill is paid or will be so I don't see any legal issues. If anything the City of Denver was wrong and not the DNC.
Republican's are crying about this being illegal? Let's talk about an illegal war and occupation, Lies about WMD's, CIA leaks, Justice department firings/hirings, torture, backdrafting. If anything this president and his buddies should all be impeached and possibly sitting in a jail cell.
July 30, 2008
9:15 a.m.
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Darwin writes:
Marine, you beat me to the punch. Frowward69 doesn’t want to confused by the facts, he has his blinders on. He wants to go back to the Carter era so he supports Obam-arter. BTW, who has an approval rating less than half of that of the President. For the record, I am registered as an unaffiliated voter (one who doesn’t let a party do his thinking) and don’t like any of the presidential candidates, but Obam-arter for 08, give me a break.
July 30, 2008
9:22 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
MarineGrunt
Although I am 58 yrs. old I was to young to remember what Kennedy said during his election and I know you don't. So where do you get your facts from? As far as Kerry I don't recall him promising tax cuts or do I remember him being a POW.
I have no problem with McSame using his military background but don't throw yourself with this poor me I was a POW and that makes me qualified BS.
July 30, 2008
9:28 a.m.
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temurlan writes:
Wow, by the time I got to the end of the comments, I forgot what the story was about. Let's see...
"Burning the Constitution” No, that's the story of liberal activist judges.
"Impeach Obama” No, we have to wait for him to finish his victory tour first. BTW when did we vote already? I must have missed it. LOL though.
"Lack luster tax cuts” No, that's not it, but I'll take that over whopping tax increases any day of the week.
I remember now...
"Denver officials abruptly have stopped allowing Democratic National Convention planners to gas up at city pumps, acknowledging that the city can't legally sell fuel." So the democrats have a problem with gas. What else is new? When this goes to trial, will it be "The People vs. The Democrat Party?"
July 30, 2008
9:29 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
Froward- Read Obamas Berlin Speech then look up some of the facts on your own. You're a big boy you can do, I shouldn't have to do it for you.
And don't use wiki, ok;o)
July 30, 2008
9:33 a.m.
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Darwin writes:
frontranger
1)illegal war and occupation. approved by repubs AND dems
2)lies about WMDs. dems and former president Clinton concurred as well as the UN and other countries.
3)CIA leaks. not by the administration, but by Rosen Novak
4)torture. oh my, waterboarding and humiliation is MUCH worse than beatings and beheadings. If we just ask them "please", they will give us intell that will save American lives.
5)throw the administration is jail. Congress is controlled by the Dems, so go for it. Oh that's right, they are afraid about the skeletons in their closet.
Throw ALL the bums out and term-limit the new.
July 30, 2008
9:36 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
but Froward if you really want it...
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=...
July 30, 2008
9:53 a.m.
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davies writes:
Frontranger: "It seems that the bill is paid or will be so I don't see any legal issues. If anything the City of Denver was wrong and not the DNC."
If someone steals from you, gets caught and shrugs and pays you, there is no legal issue? If someone assaults you, gets caught, shrugs and pays your medical bills, there is no legal issue?
If GOP Senator Stevens in Alaska agrees to pay for the home improvements he got caught accepting and failing to report from an oil-related company, then he should be allowed to remain a U.S Senator in good standing?
July 30, 2008
9:55 a.m.
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Diff writes:
davies - you know I can generally agree with your post, Bottom line drilling for more oil is enevitable - But your line "you people listen" - Is uncalled for and actually detracts from you point -
What an arrogant self important A$$ hole you must be - hope it made you feel so much better to have to talk to down to people that way - but I think you must be PATHETIC!
To bad to be you....
July 30, 2008
10:05 a.m.
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4gColoNative writes:
It's very generous of the RMN to host this forum where the same cast of characters can write direct comments to each other, essentially creating their own daily chat room.
See how very insightful, witty, enlightening and generally entertaining they are for the rest of us?! --Not.
July 30, 2008
10:12 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
MarineGrunt
Well I guess you don't watch TV much. Because if you did you would have seen his commercial with videos of him laying in a hospital bed and telling about his POW ordeal.
July 30, 2008
10:14 a.m.
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davies writes:
Diff, I take your point (up to the A$$-hole part ;-)
I used to read a sports columnist by a guy named Don Riley in the St. Paul paper, and he used to use that phrase to start his column whenever he was trying to 'stir things up' a little.
It was meant to be in a tongue in cheek context. I'll probably use it again, but it will be more appropriate when I'm doing a real smart-alecky post.
I'm glad you got to the main message though, and you're probably right, in hindsight, I see where the "intro" probably detracted from it. My bad.
July 30, 2008
10:15 a.m.
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Frontranger writes:
i see your point davies but this wasn't actually stealing. The city told them they could fill up and they did. When the city told them to stop they did.
To compare this to Senator Stevens is a stretch though. He knowingly took $300K in gifts and didn't disclose them and he should be indicted for it.
I am all for transparent gov't, especially after the last 8 years.
Darwin or should I say Intelligent Design?
July 30, 2008
10:19 a.m.
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Frontranger writes:
Darwin I do agree with term limits and I have been very disappointed that Reid and Pelosi haven't done anything to impeach these clowns. It should have been done right after the mid-terms. There is clearly more evidence than the Clinton/BJ impeachment.
I will vote for Obama for one reason and that is because he was against the war from the beginning. He never bought into it and that to me is a real leader and that is why he is presedential material.
July 30, 2008
10:24 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
froward and dilligaf, why are you ignoring the problem in question? You two try to take away what the problem is by bringing up other stuff, some of which is only your opinion but not even close to fact. What does any of your blabbering have to do with the DNC being allowed illegal access to city used gasoline? Answer the question instead of avoiding it by going off on a stupid tangent. I could bring up twice as many problems about the Democrats as you have the Republicans, and just so you know, I'm independant. So why was the DNC trying to avoid the taxes that the RNC isn't in Minnesota? Why was Hickenlooper allowing it?
I don't think you'll answer the questions because you both know it was wrong, and instead of manning up about it and facing the problem the Democrats and the DNC have created, you'll avoid it.
July 30, 2008
10:29 a.m.
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davies writes:
Frontranger, I take your points too, but just as 'receiving stolen goods' is a crime when done knowingly, then knowingly evading a legal tax obligation should be the same premise. So whether DNC acted knowingly or not is key, and the legal system can make that determination.
As for the City, to me they unquestionably should have known better, as with Senator Stevens. (I hope the old fart has to sell off his house to pay back his ill-gotten gains, and resign in disgrace.)
July 30, 2008
10:41 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
You liberals bring up Obama and his speech in Berlin........ who's he campaigning to? Americans or foreigners? He's not President, and the Germans can't vote in OUR elections, so who is he campaigning to? What's sad is that a large portion of those people watching his speech in Berlin are Muslim. And that speech wasn't anywhere close to being the great type of speeches we heard from Kennedy back in 1963 or from Reagan in 1987. Obama is a pretender. Also, in Israel, protestors chanted "Our land is not for sale Obama" as he prayed at the wall with his campaign signs everywhere. How disrespectful of Obama. Now that I've shot down your fantasy about what happened in Europe, can you tell us why the DNC was allowed illegal access to city used fuel by the Democrats in charge???
July 30, 2008
10:57 a.m.
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temurlan writes:
Cwillyrun: "Now that I've shot down your fantasy about what happened in Europe, can you tell us why the DNC was allowed illegal access to city used fuel by the Democrats in charge???"
Maybe we can finally get an answer.
Regarding what happened in Europe, I think it is backfiring. Not only did he not get the bump he expected but I think it really rubbed a particular voting block the wrong way. That voting block would be the Americans.
The implosion begins.
July 30, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
Froward- Thats 200,000 people that can't vote in this country...Reagan did more for this country than Obama has or will. Reagan helped tear down the wall, Obama just wants to tear down walls that are not there...
July 30, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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Frontranger writes:
Cwilly, thats absurd! He clearly got a bump in the polls from that trip and what it showed is that he is a world leader and will do more for foreign affairs than W or McCain ever could. Is there something wrong with having other countries like us and wave our flags again?
On the flip side, McCain can't even remember what he says from day to day, I seriously think he has dementia......he is becoming a serial flip-floppers too. or is that what the neo-cons now call a maverick.
The election is going to be a blowout!
July 30, 2008
11:15 a.m.
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davies writes:
JMac writes:
"Allowing the DNC to use city gasoline was wrong. The city corrected the mistake, end of story." "And I almost forgot.... Obama '08."
Boy, this partisanship thing is sickening: If 'our side' or the 'good guys' get caught doing something wrong and then they stop doing it, then it's supposed to be "end of story - Obama '08".
If the 'other side' or the 'bad guys' get caught doing something wrong and then they stop doing it, well that's not good enough now is it?
July 30, 2008
11:18 a.m.
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Dick_Tater writes:
Don't be so hard on the DNC. Remember that they are so much more environmentally aware to have bought "carbon credits"...with our tax dollars.
July 30, 2008
11:23 a.m.
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temurlan writes:
Fro, "Obama Drew 200,000 as a candidate"
And McCain then gain to pulled even in the polls.
"McSame" no. More like McGain.
July 30, 2008
11:28 a.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Democrats admit to stealing from taxpayers so they can fuel their SUVs for the party fatcats.
Just another day in the organized crime ring known as the Democrat Party.
No wonder Obama trails McCain with likely voters. The people supporting Obama are mostly felons (birds of a feather) who can't vote, so they're counted in the UNLIKELY to vote category.
July 30, 2008
11:29 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
MarineGrunt
Well bright one since TV is probably 80%-90% of their campaigning and at the end of each commercial they are by law to say: "I'M JOHN MCSAME AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE" It must be fact. Now I know that in Marine boot camp they didn't spend a lot of time working on the basic learning skills, but this is not that difficult to understand.
But for the record I don't care if it is Kerry, Kennedy, McSame, or Obama when you want to convince me that you are more qualified to get my vote tell me why you are and don't play on my patriotic views to get it. I am a Vietnam Vet. And I have never went around bragging about it to try to impress people. I don't even go around and use my call name on blogs (MarineGrunt) to stick my chest out and say I'm the man. In fact I don't even talk about it. But if that is how I get people to agree with me maybe I need to change from DILLIGAF to RIVERRAT. Now I'm cool.
July 30, 2008
11:38 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
danirobi
How did this happen? Did they give Ronnie his own sludge hammer?
He also built a new one when he gave weapons to Bin Laden, Saddam, the Taliban, and sold some to Iran. I wouldn't think Obama would repeat that treason.
July 30, 2008
11:43 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
Froward- I'm not McCain's biggest fan and I have reasons for that ie. his immigrations stance and the legal nightmare I had to go through to get my identity back...as for propaganda, yeah I don't play into it. I read both sides and can argue both sides if I really wanted too.
You're just jealous cause I'm a well educated female who heaven forbid is a Republican.
July 30, 2008
11:58 a.m.
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JonFraudCarry writes:
"Rules for thee, but not for me!"
Fill 'em up! But don't drill for more oil.
Fill 'em up! But don't pay taxes.
Fill 'em up! DemocRATs.
July 30, 2008
12:05 p.m.
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dilligaf writes:
Fill'em up! And put more money in the Republicans pockets.
July 30, 2008
12:09 p.m.
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Shmowry1 writes:
Wow, money that could've been spent on the people, which is the point of having politicians right? Somewhere along the line I think that has been forgotten. I understand the need for re-election, but seriously it's kind of hypocritical to demand more taxes on gasoline from the people and then knowingly avoid them yourself to help your campaigns. When did our politicians stop working for us?
July 30, 2008
12:37 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
froward, Hippocrates was an ancient scholar........ lmao, why are you disgusted with him?
Sorry jmac, but the story isn't over. If I'm a Denver resident, I'm fuming at the lack of ethics from the city government. Has the DNC even paid back taxes on the fuel already purchased? I haven't seen anything that's said they have.
frontranger......... who is Obama campaigning to in Berlin? It's certainly not the people who have a vote. So why is he campaigning to foreigners? Is that in the best interest of America and her citizens? Especially when a large part of the crowd in Berlin was Muslim.
danirobi, I agree with your posts. Yep, you're well educated for sure. :)
July 30, 2008
12:42 p.m.
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danirobi writes:
Froward- I'm upset at how Congress, Republicans and Democrats alike are running this country into the ground. There is a reason why they have a 9% approval rating. Republicans said they would have less govenment when they gained control in 2004, and we actually got bigger government. Democrats promised change, oh where have I heard that before, hmm??? Oh and that they would work hard on an energy policy. Yeah right! Gas prices have increased two fold under the Democratically controlled congress and they have no plan to solve it.
July 30, 2008
1:11 p.m.
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Frontranger writes:
Cwilly wrote:
"Especially when a large part of the crowd in Berlin was Muslim."
What does that have to do with anything. There are also about 8-10 million muslim's in america. Save your white christian fear for your uneducated friends.
July 30, 2008
1:22 p.m.
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temurlan writes:
Froward, yeah and with 3 months to go, it will be back and forth. I do predict a big move after the debates though.
So we're on the same page, which poll do you look at?
July 30, 2008
1:51 p.m.
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treecat writes:
I question Public Works spokeswoman Ann Williams. The quotes from her have been, lies, since day one. Most misleading about the facts. What will she get from all of this.
Denver conveniently omits the FACT that our elected city government was out to screw owners of gas stations out of business, the city from taxes.
To much being secretly arranged behind closed doors for this convention. Our grandchildren will still be paying for this grandiosity.