Anarchists offer DNC deal to Denver
They'll go away if $50 million goes to community
By Daniel J. Chacon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published July 28, 2008 at 9:20 p.m.
Photo by Darin McGregor © The Rocky
Kelli Refer, 22, of Littleton, and other organizers discuss an offer to abandon protests if the city spends $50 million on community programs.
A group of self-described anarchists threatening to disrupt the Democratic National Convention is promising to go away if the $50 million federal grant that Denver received to pay for convention security is invested in the community instead.
"As anarchists, we feel the greatest problem with government is how its primary interest is to protect the profits of those in power, even when it comes at the expense of the general public," Clayton Dewey, an organizer with Unconventional Denver, said in a statement.
"Spending $50 million on weaponry to attack people voicing their opinion and flooding the streets with riot police while schools close down, children go without health care and people lose their homes is exactly the problem with the corrupt two-party system we're opposing this August," he said.
Lindy Eichenbaum Lent, a senior adviser to Mayor John Hickenlooper, said the grant is needed to protect the public, including protesters.
"Congress appropriated these security-designated funds to both convention host cities because, in a post- 9/11 world, planning for major national events like this requires heightened security preparations," she said. "It is in the interest of local residents, businesses and visitors, including those participating in demonstrations, to have a safe and secure event."
Denver officials said last week they expect to spend more than $18 million on police equipment for the DNC, but the purchases won't include high-tech weapons that use sonic waves to incapacitate protesters or "goo" guns to immobilize them.
Unconventional Denver is the local organizing body of a national network of anarchists mobilizing against the DNC, said Tim Simons, another organizer.
Simons said the group's offer to sit out the convention if the city, the federal government and the DNC all agree to "redirect" the $50 million to things such as health care, education and housing is not a publicity stunt.
"We understand that it's far-fetched, but it's a sincere offer," he said.
The offer was made to coincide with a bill that went before the City Council Monday banning people from carrying certain items that could be used to block access to areas or interfere with police during the convention. The council will hold a public hearing on the bill Aug. 4.
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July 28, 2008
10:50 p.m.
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tfooq writes:
I'm so happy someone is pointing out the absurdity of the $50 million "security" funds that each the DNC and RNC have received. A little speech-censoring back scratching that is just the most obvious problem with our two party system.
Neither party is going to get us out of this mess. They are both there to maintain the status quo (except for a few minor superficial changes).
If $100 million to suppress free speech does not make America a police state, then what does? Where exactly is that line? Do you know all the good you could do for people with $100 million? People are facing some terrible times, losing their houses and running out of money just to get to work, and our government spends that kind of money on suppressing speech in public streets?
If you don't help these brave protesters, at least support them. They are really putting themselves on the line for you. The police will hurt them if they don't have the support of the people.
July 29, 2008
12:09 a.m.
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Shut_it_down writes:
Here here!! Well said tfooq! $100 million could do SOOO much for so many people. But that, unfortunately, is unimportant to the "Democratic" Party and the city of Denver. Their only interest is defending big business and keeping the voice of dissent as quiet as possible. I plan to be in the streets here in August and in the Twin Cities after that. Real change comes from the bottom up; from the people.
July 29, 2008
2:43 a.m.
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tagazio writes:
Anarchists doing things for people? That's kind of a contradiction I think. These folks are just like the two major parties where they only do things in their own self interest and their impact on the people and country are unimportant. They have their photo opportunity and their banners in the Rocky making a demand they know won't be met just to get attention. To me they sound just like regular politicians who will do or say anything to get this attention regardless of how unreasonable or ridicules it is.
July 29, 2008
4:43 a.m.
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ColoradoDave writes:
The protesters obviously have no idea how counter-productive their protests have become.
"People are facing some terrible times, losing their houses and running out of money just to get to work." Yes they are and your marching in the street does nothing but make a bad situation worse.
You can protest the RNC and the DNC but all you will do is:
1) antagonize your opponents,
2) alienate not only the undecided but some of your friends as well.
3) Feel good about yourselves.
Do you want to change the world?
Do you really want to change the world?
1) Go home.
2) Run for School Board.
3) Serve on the School Board for a few years before running for the State Legislature.
4) Serve in the State Legislature for a few years before running for US House or Senate.
5) 20 years later you will find that like-minded people are driving the agenda, controlling the media and making the rules.
That is how the Religious Right, starting in the late 1970s, got to the point where they put their poster-child into the White House.
Or you can protest in Denver and Minneapolis, break a few windows, get arrested, feel good about your noble sacrifice and ACCOMPLISH NOTHING other than making your goals more unattainable.
July 29, 2008
4:44 a.m.
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ColoradoDave writes:
Patience is a virtue.
The journey of a 1,000 miles starts with a single step.
July 29, 2008
5:32 a.m.
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July 29, 2008
6:35 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Nice publicity stunt. The only reason the city was granted $50 mil in the first place is because we've seen the types of "peaceful protests" the anarchists have brought to a dozen cities around the world. We wouldn't need the extra security if all they were truly interested in was "voicing dissent".
No thanks. We'll use the $50 million to keep law and order. Enjoy the holding cells!
July 29, 2008
6:41 a.m.
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Michael writes:
How apppropriate that they wear masks to hide themselves...just like bandits and train robbers of yesteryear. They are hoodlums, thugs, and scumbags. I guess I would not want to be identified either so as not to embarrass my family or myself later in life (when most of them will own property, pay taxes, have children, and even some will be Republicans!!) for having been associated with this rabble.
July 29, 2008
6:50 a.m.
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blacksho89 writes:
Organized anarchy? But that means someone or some group is in charge (the "Arch") thereby negating the "An". Clayton Dewey, therefore, is an organizer of Archists. Thus begging the question "Clayton, who is the Archy for whom you are an organizer of Archists?"
My head hurts. I'm going to go donate dictionaries and soap to Seattle hippies.
July 29, 2008
7:02 a.m.
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egorr writes:
Holy Mafia Batman! Offering not to make problems for a payoff sounds like the old "protection" racket to me!
July 29, 2008
7:18 a.m.
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LingLingfor_prez writes:
They want $50 million to spread their anarchy message and have no security downtown at the same time? Sounds like anarchy to me and dangerous at best. Security costs money even if the amount may be over the top.
July 29, 2008
7:20 a.m.
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sheepherder writes:
Anarchists trying to cut deals with the government, now thats funny...you can't make this stuff up! These are the morons who throw pee/poop bombs, smash windows, shoot bolts out of wrist rockets at cops...then blame everyone else. This is just a publicity stunt, nothing more.
July 29, 2008
7:21 a.m.
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Frontranger writes:
good thing they have bandanas on their faces.
July 29, 2008
7:24 a.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
The largest threat to peace and public safety at the convention comes from the potential for panic.
Money is required to fund efforts to reduce this threat. If the police feel more secure with a few extra gizmos on their belts and that prevents them from attacking a crowd of peaceful demonstrators then the money is a good investment. If the gizmos and other measures increase the likelihood that free expression will be suppressed then zero dollars would have been the correct budget. So, policy is more important than expenditures.
Funding patrols with bomb-sniffing dogs and rooting out potential terrorist threats is something needed in these times. The attack on that Unitarian church in Tennessee is a warning that conservative terrorists are eager again to shed American blood. With heads full of self-righteous nonsense, bellies full of liquor and hate, and cheap ammunition, the risk of a violent attack is high and growing higher.
The anarchists are saying they may be disruptive. There's a world of difference between disruptive civil disobedience and a violent attack.
Until recently, only Rush Limbaugh was inciting violence. Now we can add Mike Rosen and others to the list of conservative crackpots fomenting violent attacks and turning the heat up under the pot.
Preparation may help cooler heads to prevail. But it's a shame that America has come to this disgrace as millions are spent on fear. Real pain is being felt by people whose lives are being torn apart by poverty.
July 29, 2008
7:28 a.m.
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JonFraudCarry writes:
Hard working people are forced to pay taxes by the government, then the bureaucrats get to spend that money on undefined community re-investment and the anarchists want to control it?! What hypocritical fools! Pass the popcorn, I hope the smoke from the Denver DNC can be seen across this nation. Just to remind people who these moonbat DemocRATs really are.
July 29, 2008
7:34 a.m.
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egorr writes:
Holy Mafia Batman! These anarchists sound like they're trying to run the old "protection" racket by demanding money in a trade for not making a problem at the DNA.
July 29, 2008
7:42 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Sounds like a reasonable offer to me. Tell me again why we're spending tens of millions of dollars on two parties whose ineffective Congress collectively has the lowest approval ratings in history?
July 29, 2008
7:55 a.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Sounds to me like someone needs to view this thing with the anarchist's much like negotiating with terrorists. Bad business at any junture...
July 29, 2008
7:58 a.m.
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Rallyracer7 writes:
Wow, what to say about this.... Sounds like these people are going to cause problems for everyone, no matter what is done. MarineGrunt you are so right about the Manthing in the picture.
July 29, 2008
8:03 a.m.
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middleoftheroad writes:
"Cut a deal?" This is blackmail through and through.
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."
I guess we are skipping over the voting part, and just moving straight on to extortion.
July 29, 2008
8:09 a.m.
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sheepherder writes:
I think the city should negotiate with tear gas and sticks...
July 29, 2008
8:11 a.m.
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Alive writes:
Kids with nothing to else to do. I had to laugh at their "demands". It's kind of cute seeing the tykes all puffed up like that.
July 29, 2008
8:15 a.m.
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jackwoehr writes:
>"Spending $50 million on weaponry to attack people voicing their
>opinion and flooding the streets with riot police while schools close
>down, children go without health care and people lose their homes
>is exactly the problem with the corrupt two-party system we're
>opposing this August," he said.
Why not just VOTE LIBERTARIAN!?
July 29, 2008
8:17 a.m.
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EnlightenedOne writes:
Unfortunately these people only represent one of the groups threatening our fair capital city. There are others with questionable intentions.
July 29, 2008
8:25 a.m.
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davies writes:
Holier: "But it's a shame that America has come to this disgrace as millions are spent on fear. Real pain is being felt by people whose lives are being torn apart by poverty."
(1) Poverty is a relative term. What constitutes poverty in America would amount to a comfortable standard of living in much if not most of the world. Only impoverished Americans are having their lives "torn apart" by obesity.
(2) In any group of 300 million people, you are going to have some that are more driven, more successful, and yes, more fortunate. You can't "fix" that simple fact; that's how life goes on this planet. We're all different. Our government should assure that the helpless are provided for, but being helpless and being poor in this country are NOT the same thing.
July 29, 2008
8:27 a.m.
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freedomfighter1 writes:
They bring up one good point...we spend a lot of money on security, while our communities suffer. Maybe if we put this type of money into our communities we wouldn't need so much security.
Vote Libertarian!
July 29, 2008
8:30 a.m.
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davies writes:
Froward: "or is it more along the lines of the conservative fecal fetish like Sasquatch, insofar as that "crap cannons" use.
typical retardlican."
Mr. Fro, if you are going to refer to conservatives as "retardlicans", please use coherant sentences. Otherwise people may conclude that you are a demoretardicrat.
By the way, the term "retard" is offensive and I think you should be forced to attend Sensitivity training classes, in which you will learn how to say and spell "republidevelopmentallydisabledcan".
July 29, 2008
8:31 a.m.
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sheepherder writes:
Jack, you distort the facts. The weaponry isnt for peaceful protest, it's for morons like R68 and anarchists who have stated they will use violence to get their point across. The weaponry will in essence protect those voicing their opinion in a legal way, while repelling the criminal element that will be among them.
Vote Ron Paul!
July 29, 2008
8:33 a.m.
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vudumom writes:
A 100 million dollars will help people having hard times.
There are roughly 300 million people in the U.S.. Divide 300 million people into 100 million dollars and you get, roughly 33 cents each.
Wow , where do I sign up?
I'd love to change the world , but I don't know what to do.
So I'll leave it up to you.
What band sang that verse? Name the band.
July 29, 2008
8:33 a.m.
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HankRearden writes:
Sounds like the Al Capone style protection. Pay me $1,000 and your business will not burn down. If not, well you know accidents do happen. Jessie Jackson also made a business out of “pay me and the racism issue goes away”, don’t pay me who knows? Jessie never takes the money directly; it needs to go to community projects that he has a hand in. It for the people.
July 29, 2008
8:45 a.m.
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freedomfighter1 writes:
vudumom
Not all 300 million are in need.
July 29, 2008
8:52 a.m.
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OldFart writes:
Vudumom - it was "10 Years After" and they were a 1960's - early 70's band out of the UK
July 29, 2008
8:55 a.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Alvin Lee & Ten Years After.
I was going to use that yesterday but never got to it. Good analogy.
July 29, 2008
9:08 a.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
UK band. Is that all? They were at Woodstock, man...
crinklewood green, etc
July 29, 2008
9:10 a.m.
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davies writes:
Yeah, Ten Years After from 40 years ago! That's an oldie all right. John Mayer has a fairly recent song in which he concludes "so we keep waiting, waiting on the world to change."
Different era, same sentiment: "we want things to be better, but we rationalize that what we could do ourselves wouldn't make a difference, so we want someone else to do it".
July 29, 2008
9:13 a.m.
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davies writes:
No Froward, NOT okay. I demand coherant sentences. THEN you can call names insulting our intelligence.
July 29, 2008
9:24 a.m.
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P_Denver writes:
Anyone else out there old enough to remember the Symbionese Liberation Army in California? They kidnapped Patty Hearst and demanded huge food give-aways "for the needy in the community."
I wondered what happened to the left-over SLA troops. Glad to know they're alive and well in Denver, still demanding money for the "poor."
July 29, 2008
12:03 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
ssqured - I don't get your handle?
Anyway, that statement about not voting for incumbents... I wish the whole country would do that. Forever... Part of the degradation of the system is that we have people in congress for 50-60 years. How can they possibly be pragmatic or hope to represent their constituents??? They don't. Period. Fresh blood in every elected position forever would serve or country better & at least then we'd have a chance to get the USA back to "We the People!"
July 29, 2008
12:30 p.m.
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Faxman writes:
I seen the pic of the "Suburban Anarchists". What a joke. Will your mgr. @ Taco Bell give you time off so your mommies can give you a ride into the City to play angst-ridden avenger? For $50 mil. you'll go away eh? I've got a hunch that the DPD and a host of other LEO's will see to it you go away for a lot less than that.
July 29, 2008
2:41 p.m.
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July 29, 2008
2:47 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
Alive....whoa...lol!
July 29, 2008
2:48 p.m.
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Faxman writes:
ssqured- you are 100% correct. There is NO pile of $ large enough the politicos can't make go away. They are as frivilous with our $ as they are with our rights, national security, etc. Every 4 years we are invited to watch self-important members of some long-past High School Graduating Class, B-slap the **** out of each other to see who--for the next 4 yrs.--gets to rifle through our pockets while standing on our necks. DNC? RNC? It's all MKY MSE.
July 29, 2008
3:10 p.m.
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freedomfighter1 writes:
Alive-LOL
July 29, 2008
3:46 p.m.
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RagingApathy writes:
My goodness, Tfooq, can you squeeze any more bare assertions and generalizations into your comment in order to help "prove" your point?
At any rate, these "Anarchists" are welcome to do whatever they like, and their speech should definitely be protected. It is not an acceptable form of speech to deny it to others, however, no matter which "side" one is on. That is why their plans of "disruption" are wrong (and, of course, doomed to failure).
I have no interest in "supporting" them beyond recognizing their basic rights and a willingness to speak up for them if they are, in fact, violated in some way.
July 29, 2008
4:22 p.m.
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Faxman writes:
P- Yeah, I remember the SLA quite well, along with the WU and the SDS. The "suburban anarchists" in todays RMN are pikers by comparison. The corps members of the SLA, WU, and SDS were prepared to eat rats and shoot their parents for the "revolution". The RMN "suburban anarchists" are prepared to talk smack and have their parents post their bail should they get arrested.
July 29, 2008
4:27 p.m.
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Not24601 writes:
I think quite a few folks here are missing the point. The anarchists want the money invested in the Denver community rather than in weapons/cops. What they're saying is, there will be no need for that $50 mil security money if the politicians are willing to give that money to the people of Denver rather than to their rulers. The anarchists don't want the money. Their whole argument is that the government is no longer representative of the people, and if it was, it would gladly give the money to the Denver community.
Also: All the shallow attacks on the appearance of the demonstrators are pretty revealing. You can criticize anybody that way, and all it does is make you look like a fool (which is why it's not usually a tactic used for argument in person... because you'd be afraid to get the same criticism yourself). I bet there's more than a few beer guts, bald spots and other flaws to be found amongst those making the comments. We all have our flaws, criticizing demonstrators by picking out a few who don't fit your standards is pretty low.
As for the masks: These folks are willing to take on the full force of the state if the politicians refuse to invest that money in the people of Denver rather than in themselves. That in itself is a brave move. Doing it without a mask - so you can be singled out, filmed, tracked down, thrown in prison... that'd just be stupid. Anybody remember the Boston Tea Party? They wouldn't have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for the disguises. The way a lot of folks on here talk, you sound just like British loyalists back in the day.
July 29, 2008
4:43 p.m.
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freespeech34 writes:
Give the pigs some soap and water!
July 29, 2008
4:55 p.m.
Alive writes:
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July 29, 2008
5:47 p.m.
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XaqFixx writes:
These people are not anarchist, an anarchist would be opposed to using the states coercive monopoly on force, even for something they believe in, in the case the support of community groups. Any self respecting, at least semi-literate Anarchist would be opposed to accepting the $50 million of government money as they would view it as stolen from the productive class.
I am an Anarchist, I do not use force or the threat of force to get my way, but I am not a pacifist, I will defend myself and my property. I do not hide my face as I am doing nothing wrong, although I may be doing something that is against the statutes of the state. http://invisiblemolotov.wordpress.com/
July 29, 2008
5:53 p.m.
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Faxman writes:
Not24601- I do agree with you that the cheap shots re: the anrchists appearance was uncalled for. The picture said it all.
Re: the point. The suburban anarchist's were quite clear in their ultimatum to the powers-that-be; "Do what we say or suffer the consequences". Nothing ambiguous there.
As far as them being equated to the Patriots who pulled off the Boston Tea Party, that's a stretch...unless the suburban anarchists intend on dressing up like Indians to disguise themselves, then they'd have something in common with the Patriots.
And lastly, do you honestly believe that the suburban anarchist's are fully prepared to take on the full force of the State? In their fantasy perhaps, but in reality? Not hardly.
July 29, 2008
6:17 p.m.
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h8r writes:
XaqFixx- You're right. The Anarchists are planning on state violence and have a strategy for dealing with it- Mixed Martial Arts training!!! Total insanity, to meet violence with violence ,as these "anarchists" are not even aware that they cannot muster the same kind of violence that they will see.
These "anarchists" are falling into the trap of the bully. The bully will provoke you into fighting because he knows he can beat you up. The only trick is getting you to fight back so the bully can justify beating you.
None of these Anarchists believe in Rev. Doctor Martin Luther King, or Ghandi, or nonviolence, which is fine if you can at least meet that state's violence head on. These "anarchists" do not have guns, knives, clubs, armored cars, bombers, gas, or even big muscles. The state, on the other hand, has all of these things, and it has plenty of bad people that would absolutely love to play Ultimate Fighter in Denver this August....
From the Recreate 68 news flash:
3. MMA - Self-defense Training
R-68 has a firm belief that one does not have to give up a right in order to exercise a right. We have a firm belief that individuals while not required to engage in self-defense, have a right to if their person is being assaulted. There will be many counter-protesters joining us in Denver. We are not expecting any trouble, but we should always be prepared for the worst possible scenario. We are fortunate to have an opportunity to gain expert training in basic self-defense. The Gumm Mixed Martial Arts Gym has volunteered their services to R-68 members and associates. We are very grateful for the opportunity they have provided us and please recommend them to friends in order to support friendly businesses in our community. Dates and times of the trainings are listed below. Once again they are free to our community. If you are unable to attend these dates, contact Glenn at gspagnuolo@recreate68.org for the possibility of other arrangements. We highly recommend that you attend one of these training dates and if possible please RSVP to gspagnuolo@recreate68.org. If you would like more information about the Gumm MMA Gym you should visit their website at www.gummbjj.com. We are providing basic directions to their gym for your convenience.
July 29, 2008
6:28 p.m.
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me2 writes:
You gotta love an anarchist who wears a mask, but gives out her name and town.
July 29, 2008
9:22 p.m.
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Not24601 writes:
First of all, to clear something up: Anarchy comes from an-archos. Archos means ruler, not order. Anarchists aren't for chaos. Anarchists are for a stateless society; organizing to run our own lives, our own communities, horizontally rather than vertically. For me, "direct democracy" and "anarchy" are interchangeable.
@Faxman: The Boston Tea Party is an example of symbolic property destruction to spread the message and further the cause of a democratic rebellion. Property destruction is an illegal form of protest, and therefore disguises were necessary. Some anarchists use those tactics today to confront the sham democracy we're living with.
@Alive: Cute.
@XaqFixx: They're demanding the money be returned to the productive class, aren't they? It's a bit like expropriation. I'm an anarchist, and I'm down for it.
@H8r: Some anarchists do believe in the teachings of MLK and Gandhi. In fact, Henry David Thoreau, the inspiration for both Gandhi and MLK, had rather anarchistic ideas, essentially calling for a society without government. Check out Civil Disobedience by Thoreau - you'll see what I mean.
Of course anarchists aren't betting on defeating the state by force in a violent revolution. That's impossible, and if it were possible, most of us wouldn't want it. Revolution-by-coup seems to breed dictatorship.
On the other hand, non-violent actions such as shutting down these conventions are necessary; people need to know that there is real opposition, and a real movement for direct democracy/anarchy.
The state won't just gun down the demonstrators because they can't afford to. They would lose too much face; their power is dependent on our consent, and they'd lose a lot of that consent by killing dissenters. Not that they haven't done it before. But we do stand a chance; and even if we don't, somebody has to say something. Everybody knows both parties are corrupt, and the people of the United States are not running the show. It's time to change that.
July 30, 2008
12:04 a.m.
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colliertng writes:
So The Anarchists Offer The City Of Denver And The Democratic National Committee "A Deal"! Sounds Like Extortion To Me! Hope You Democrats Like Being Extorted! LOL!
July 30, 2008
12:19 a.m.
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Faxman writes:
Not24601-Yeah, OK then, well good luck stormin' the Castle...you'll need it.
Make no mistake about it. The power of the State doesn't lay in the consent of the People, it lays in the States willingness to use whatever force necessary to obtain whatever goal necessary.
Freedom from Tyranny is expensive. The only currency Liberty accepts is blood.
July 30, 2008
2:38 a.m.
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theairdog writes:
Release the Hounds!
:-)
July 30, 2008
5:25 a.m.
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Alive writes:
They deleted my comments! See what your anarchy has wrought?
Censorship!
I would have gotten away with it too, if weren't for you meddling kids and your dog!
July 30, 2008
6:58 a.m.
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bluecollarbytes writes:
Oh the horror, when even the anarchists seek to become part of the problem. They're willing to "trade in their values" for a few shekels. In doing so they've betrayed the cause of anarchy and its confused adherents.
July 30, 2008
7:26 a.m.
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sheepherder writes:
It's Ok Alive, alot of us got to read them before they were deleted...funny brother! You should re-post and see how long it takes to get deleted again! Be an Anarchist! Don't let the RMN opress you! Demand money to quit re-posting!
July 30, 2008
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Alive writes:
Let my people go! We shall comeover.
July 30, 2008
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LuvAmerica writes:
ezekiel777 writes:
"the dems are willing to bargain with terrorists. well isn't this interesting!" There's no bargaining and no terrorists. But don't let the details stand in the way of a good chest thumpin' diatribe!
"maybe george bush wasn't so wrong after all.... opps." He's been wrong on everything, period. What are you saying?
"8 years of dis-information coming from a complicit press..... leading you down the garden path to BO..... a terrorist accomplice...." 8 years of Bill O'reilly's misinformation and propaganda has certainly been disruptive, but I'd hardly call him a terrorist accomplice.
"way to go Americans... you bought every lie, every rumor, every conspiracy, every piece of mud-slinging propaganda only to get more terrorism.....yet you continue to say george w. bush is stupid." Now you've really lost us. After being treated like this by the Bush adminstration, we're supposed to give Bush some glowing props of some sort???
"well, stupid is as stupid does.... you deserve it." Thanks for sharing it.
July 30, 2008
8:57 a.m.
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jwbeuk writes:
these are just a bunch of upper middle class kids who go home to mommy and daddy's 3,000 sq foot home, eat out and shop on mommy and daddy's credit card. nice bandanas. these people are a joke.
July 30, 2008
10:55 a.m.
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Not24601 writes:
I really don't think it's inconsistent with anarchist values to tell the politicians we'll let them have their convention so long as they act in the interests of the Denver community and invest that money in the Denver community. They claim to be 'of the people'. We're calling their bluff.
July 30, 2008
11:06 a.m.
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Not24601 writes:
@jwbeuk: Good one. Broad generalizations about a community you likely have no experience with does a lot to further your point.
Anarchists are not all [insert uninformed judgement here], unless you want to put 'opposed to unjustifiable authority' in the blank. It's as varied a community as any.
Besides, it ain't just anarchists shutting down the Dems and the Repubs this summer. You want to find out? Come with us. See you in the streets.
July 30, 2008
12:48 p.m.
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frontpage writes:
I don't have to read any more after I hear the anarchists have an organization with a spokesperson? hey people think about it. If I was an anarchist, would I have any organization, any leader, any spokesperson, that just all goes against anarchy, which is no organization, no leader, no purpose. If these people are anarchists they better come up with a better name. (with apologies to all, its like gays stealing the word meaning "happy")
July 30, 2008
1:07 p.m.
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Alive writes:
IHOP has the best flap-jacks. UmmmmmmmHummmmmmm!
July 30, 2008
1:57 p.m.
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Citizen21 writes:
Don't make deals with terrorists!
July 30, 2008
2:03 p.m.
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Not24601 writes:
Anarchists are neither purposeless, chaotic nihilists nor terrorists. Anarchism has a long tradition in this country and around the world. It is not a movement to destroy organization; it is a movement to create a genuinely free, cooperative society. Anarchy means without rulers, not without order. As one famous anarchist said, "Order is the daughter of Liberty".
July 30, 2008
2:59 p.m.
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HoosierGuy writes:
well said cowboy63
July 30, 2008
5:07 p.m.
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BushCountryAnzFamily writes:
Where are the flapjacks?
July 30, 2008
8:39 p.m.
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CJHunter writes:
I have a deal for the anarchists. You want $50m to not protest, how about this? You come and protest and the cops will whip you rear..for free!!!!! Now that's a deal!
July 30, 2008
10:57 p.m.
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antrose writes:
am I the only one that thought that was a good idea for the money?
sure paying people not to protest is counterproductive, and granted we all have seperate qualms with anarchy, but for the simple point they're making, I think they have a good one.
50 MILLION dollars.... sure wish I could afford school, or health insurance, and I'm white middle class!
good luck anarchists
July 31, 2008
7:30 a.m.
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mrNiceGuy writes:
The organized anarchists idea is rediculous, granted, but I am astonished by the remarks by some posters. Protesting the two party system is something we should encourage. We are stuck in an archaic form of "democracy" and it is only through the power of the people that we can reform this inadequate system. Protesting does not create change, unless we enlist the masses - but as American's we will not give up the comforts of being fatties. We refuse to take action because that requires effort. To discourage the protest, a true exercise of our freedom of speech only confirms your complacency.
Additionally, it's disheartening that so many think it is funny that the police use unnecessary force on protesters. As long as it is NIYBY, it's a ok for the authorities to violate the rights of the citizens it is hired to protect.
July 31, 2008
9:33 p.m.
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tfooq writes:
mrNiceGuy, you're exactly right.
I think you should read a little more into anarchy, because you might agree more than you think. I was certainly surprised when I started learning more about it and realized that my preconceived notions of lawless chaotic people were not true at all.
Organizing and anarchy are not mutually exclusive. And regular people are anarchists, not just fringe crazies. The state power only maintains the state's power, no matter which party is in control. So to suggest we'd be better off without the state's power really isn't that insane of an idea.
When is the last time the state protected you? I can't think of a single instance myself.