Gas prices tighten presidential poll
McCain, Obama in near dead heat among Coloradans
By Bill Scanlon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published July 24, 2008 at 9:22 a.m.
Updated July 25, 2008 at 12:44 a.m.
Photo by Carolyn Kaster © AP
Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., waves to people on the street Thursday after holding a news conference outside Schmidt's Fudge Haus in Columbus. As rival Barack Obama toured Berlin, McCain told reporters he would loved to give a speech in Germany. "But I'd much prefer to do it as president of the United States rather than as a candidate for president."
John McCain has made big gains among Colorado voters in the past month and is now neck- and-neck with Barack Obama, according to a poll released Thursday.
McCain's bump could be because he favors increased domestic oil drilling, a view a majority of Coloradans share, some analysts said.
The Quinnipiac University poll shows McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, the top choice among 46 percent of likely Colorado voters. Democrat Barack Obama is the top choice among 44 percent of likely voters.
The poll of 1,425 likely Colorado voters, taken July 14-22, has a margin of error of 2.6 percentage points.
A month ago, Obama held a 49-44 percent lead over McCain in the same poll.
Tom Kise, communications director for the John McCain for President campaign in this region, said McCain surged ahead in Colorado because "he has laid out a plan for domestic energy that brings down the price of gas and will produce more jobs. That message is more in line with Coloradans' views."
Pat Waak, chairwoman of the Colorado Democratic Party, said she has seen polls the past couple days that show Obama in the lead.
"I think that's the way it's going to be the next several months, back and forth," she said. "We are a swing state."
Waak expects Obama's Middle East trip will increase his numbers - most of the voters were polled before he arrived there - as will the Democratic National Convention in Denver next month.
Key states closer
"I expect as we move into the campaign and he answers some of the irresponsible things coming out of the McCain campaign, we'll continue to see people swing over to Obama," Waak said.
The poll, conducted for The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal, zeroes in on key battleground states - Colorado, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin - where the presidential contest is expected to be close.
Besides surging ahead in Colorado, McCain made a big move in Minnesota and narrowed large Obama leads in Michigan and Wisconsin, the poll found.
Coloradans are evenly divided on which presidential candidate has the best energy policy. But by a 50 percent-39 percent lead, voters here say energy policy is more important than the policy on the war in Iraq when assessing which candidate should get the vote.
Democrats were winning on the energy issue as recently as April - convincing voters that their recipe for alternative fuels was the best solution for America's future, public opinion guru Floyd Ciruli said.
"Then it shifted in April, when gasoline hit $4 a gallon," said Ciruli, who heads Ciruli & Associates of Denver.
Suddenly, the pain at the gas pump was so acute that most voters moved away from the idealistic view of an American energy diet and looked for whom to blame for the high prices, he said.
They chose the Democrats, who've opposed drilling offshore and in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
"Sen. Barack Obama's post-primary bubble hasn't burst, but it is leaking a bit," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. "It's been a good month for Sen. John McCain. His movement in these key states, not large except for Minnesota, jibes with the tightening we are seeing in the national polls."
scanlon@RockyMountainNews.com or 303-954-2897
What they are saying
* FLOYD CIRULI, pollster
"We had begun to think there was a very significant Democratic advantage, but ($4-per-gallon gasoline) shows us how quickly an issue can energize and change the dynamics of a race."
* JOHN STRAAYER, CSU political science professor:
"I think Obama is getting more and more of the spotlight, and that works both ways. I think there's been an effort to raise questions about his background."
* FORMER COLORADO GOV. BILL OWENS:
"The race is going to be close, just as the last two presidential elections were. By mid- to late October, (the McCain campaign) will be peaking. So far, so good."
July 24, 2008
9:35 a.m.
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HSTOWEL writes:
I knew eventually the Flim Flam Man would fade in Colorado and voters would come back down to earth.
Nobama 08
July 24, 2008
9:38 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
WOW a whole 2 point lead with an error rate of 2.6. And in a state that has always been HEAVILY RED for years. That don't look to good for McSame.
July 24, 2008
9:41 a.m.
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junglegymco writes:
McCain's new slogan - "Vote McBush McOld McSame. Let's keep our country in international shame and an economic quagmire for decades to come."
July 24, 2008
9:43 a.m.
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Diff writes:
Either way it goes here, it will be very close. The difference in this poll is within the margin of error so it really is a tie at this point.
Too bad we cannot eliminate the electoral college - it is stupid and outdated.
Then each persons vote would count!
But in the end our 9 electoral votes don,t mean that much!
I'd still bet on Obama being the next President -
Also I'd bet Colorado goes for B.O. as the convention being here just might be the tipping factor - but it will still be very close! Just as this poll indicates, and I'd bet too that another poll will be out showing Obama ahead...
July 24, 2008
9:53 a.m.
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squeakywheel writes:
Polls mean squat at this point.
It's amazing to me that the old fart is holding his own against the messiah.
I liked the primaries better, when the candidates could be themselves and say something profoundly stupid every single day.
Now it's just politics as usual. Yawn.
This may be the first time in my life that I don't vote for either, I'm thinking of voting for Yosemite Sam.
July 24, 2008
9:53 a.m.
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SickNTired writes:
I'm counting on the DNC being here in Denver to tip the scales against BO. Let the games begin.
July 24, 2008
9:55 a.m.
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temurlan writes:
dilligaf "That don't look to good for McSame."
Wow, nice how you spin BO blowing a 10 point lead into bad news for McCain. LOL
July 24, 2008
9:56 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
I don't think Obama will win Colorado since voters here are seeing the effects Democrats in office are having in the state. Ritter's a joke, Hickenlooper is turning into one, and I think people are starting to notice that Obama doesn't have much substance. Obama is a rehash of Jimmy Carter with his tax plans.
Voters want someone they can believe in, not someone with an inglorious and short political history. Funny, but all the catering to the DNC looks like it's backfiring.
(I think it's hilarious when people try to relate Bush and McCain as being alike. Just goes to show some people don't pay much attention. Bush and McCain have had publicized differences in many areas, but the easily led followers (sheep) of Obama are ignoring that.)
July 24, 2008
9:58 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
temurlan, it's because there are people that ignore reality and spin it to how they want something to turn out.
July 24, 2008
10:06 a.m.
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squeakywheel writes:
CO won't matter in the electoral college anyway.
If McCain can nail Florida and Ohio then it's all over for Obama's hopes of 10 years in the oval office, presiding over all 57 states.
July 24, 2008
10:06 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
If McCain has a chance, it will depend on who his VP will be. He is old, I mean old. What are the odds of him living to do two terms?
When he gets the call at 3:00AM at least he will be up, because at that age they go to sleep at 7:00PM. He cant use a computer, he is out of touch. Sorry..
July 24, 2008
10:07 a.m.
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leatherneck writes:
Cwillyrun1: I think your right on with your comment. I also don't think that Osaywhatever will win Colorado. The Dems have done a number on our state.
By the way, Are all the Dems home crying? Where are all of the normal lefties that post on here?
Party before person! It doesn't matter to me who is running. The lefties will lose just like before. And they will cry for 4 more years.
NOBAMA 08
July 24, 2008
10:10 a.m.
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davies writes:
Story: "McCain... narrowed large gams in Michigan and Wisconsin, the poll found."
If McCain can narrow large butts in addition to large gams, he's got my vote.
July 24, 2008
10:14 a.m.
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DeimosJB writes:
This and every other poll I have seen does not matter because polls are not and have never been accurate. They ALWAYS skew because by definition polls require people to be at home to receive the call, rather than at work.
Recall that in the last election, Kerry had a large lead in most polls, and that didn't go so well for him. Even the forgettable Michael Dukakis had a big poll lead over Bush Sr. through the summer months.
I'll just wait for November, thanks.
July 24, 2008
10:20 a.m.
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leatherneck writes:
Froward69: How about Newsweek? Are creditable enough for you?
The latest NEWSWEEK Poll shows Barack Obama leading John McCain by only 3 points. What a difference a few weeks can make.
July 24, 2008
10:23 a.m.
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GorditoMojito writes:
Shall we talk about the elephant in the room? Remember the "talkin down to" regarding race relations? How about the Marxist ideology espoused within Obama's Rev. Wright titled book?
Obama and Pelosi will bankrupt this country if given the chance and that's what voters need to decide. Does my neighbor deserve a couple hours of my labor every day in return for "Change?"
Equality at the expense of Economic Liberty is Communism.
July 24, 2008
10:24 a.m.
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Nobama writes:
I'm amazed that Obama isn't way ahead given the special support he's currently getting from the main stream media. No objective person could deny the special treatment and coverage he's been given on his overseas tour. He is being portrayed as the presumptive President. It looks like the news media will openly influence and probably decide the Presidency this time around. Perhaps we need some congressional investigations on this process? Doesn't this trump the Fairness Doctrine issue?
July 24, 2008
10:26 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
leatherneck
Sounds like it should be REDNECK. Tell me why you like the old man, not why you dont like OBAMA. You and your party dont work like that. Not much to say, I know you have to wait untill rush tells you to think. YOU ARE WEAK.
OBAMA 08 COLORADO
July 24, 2008
10:27 a.m.
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Nobama writes:
dilligaf writes:
"WOW a whole 2 point lead with an error rate of 2.6. And in a state that has always been HEAVILY RED for years. That don't look to good for McSame."
"Red for years"? Were you out of the state during the 2006 election? Do you see the current make up of our Fed and State representation and the Governor's Office? Strange perspective that you have.
July 24, 2008
10:29 a.m.
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farsidefan writes:
This country is already bankrupt to the tune of TRILLIONS !
No it is not caused by "illegals". Tax cuts and war.
This will be a close race in Colorado and it should be fun to watch.
It will be interesting to see if McCain support translates into more Repubs in the legislature.
July 24, 2008
10:36 a.m.
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Shaggy writes:
What happened to the "Once Obama get the Nominee he will be winning by double digits" talking points from the left???
Obama has lost the last several primaries to Hillary and many by double digits.
The messiah has been on a steady decline as people find out how inexperienced he is and radically left.
July 24, 2008
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freedomfighter1 writes:
NNNNOOOOOO!
July 24, 2008
10:38 a.m.
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leatherneck writes:
Nobama: I also think that MSM has over stepped their ability to influence the public here and around the world. You think we will actually get an investigation into the Fairness Doctrine?
I don't think it will happen? But that would be nice to see.
I think people are starting to see through Osaywhatever's BS, and it's now showing up in the polls. Simply put, he doesn't have the experience to be the president, and he will say anything to get a vote.
July 24, 2008
10:38 a.m.
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Nobama writes:
Dan2,
I agree with your sentiments and conclusion 100%. But, I just can't make myself waste a vote. It is definitely a "lesser of two evils" choice. The nominating process just doesn't work if these are the best candidates this country has to offer.
July 24, 2008
10:44 a.m.
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Nobama writes:
leatherneck,
I want to believe what you say is true. But, I think there may be a majority of people who are so naive and gullible that they will follow Obama right off the cliff. It's all about image and speaches now. Substance goes right over their heads. Obama is like a good evangelist and he has "followers" who belive in the mantras: hope, change, future, chicken-in-every pot, etc. I'm not sure this movement can be stopped with logic or reason. Maybe some kind of personal expose would do it, but those have mostly been blown off by the news media so far.
July 24, 2008
10:50 a.m.
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ShadyGrady writes:
I'm with davies, any butt narrower has my vote.
July 24, 2008
10:54 a.m.
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leatherneck writes:
DenverSpam: I will stick with my party, thanks for your concern though. I could make a list of what I like about McCain, but your right I could make a longer list of what I dislike about Obama.
July 24, 2008
10:54 a.m.
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MrJim writes:
July 21, Rasmussen has it 47 - 42 for B.H.O.
July 24, 2008
10:56 a.m.
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Nobama writes:
Froward69,
This isn't about "republicanism" versus Democrat. It's about capitalism versus socialism. The Federal Government should not be responsible or directly involved in all of these education, health care, and economic issues that everyone is whining about. The capitalistic system will take of it, but not without consequences which are probably deserved. I don't know how this society has evolved to the point where people expect solutions from the Feds. It's become an automatic premise without question, even by the Republicans. If you want a European model of socialistic govenment, then vote for the socialists, but be honest about the reasons.
July 24, 2008
10:57 a.m.
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freethought writes:
This "media" bias for Obama's tour is McAnus whining again.
Obama didn't make a fuss over McCains "co-incidental" trip to South America during the freeing of the hostages.
How long did he plan for that?
July 24, 2008
11:02 a.m.
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Nobama writes:
Froward69,
OK. Give me some "logic or reason" to vote FOR Obama. I don't want to hear about Bush, or McCain, or any of your cute little made-up words, e.g. "Retardlicans", because I'm smarter than you. Give me something positive about Obama, other than his charisma, looks, articulation, or personal attributes. What about his experience or specific policies do you like?
July 24, 2008
11:04 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
froward, shut up already. The Democrats are running the state right now so if anyone's been dropped as a registered voter, odds are the Democrats are behind it.
DenverDan, what does age have to do with it? Are you saying because your dad's an old man that he's irrelevant and can't get things done anymore? Or if you're the old man, then you must be, right? Either way, one of you should just be pushed aside into a retirement home with nursing aids to help you, using your logic. I'd rather choose a person for President who's done something rather than a person who has no history and likes to TALK about what he would do, and most of that is even laughable.
July 24, 2008
11:09 a.m.
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BroncoRick69 writes:
cwillyrun1 :pukes:
July 24, 2008
11:10 a.m.
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Nobama writes:
Froward69,
You didn't respond to my question about Obama. But, you're starting to scare me a little. Do you understand the difference between the Federal government versus State and Local government? Are saying we should just throw out the State and Local and let the Federal government provide Police and Fire protection? Do you know what that sounds like? Get a grip, man.
July 24, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
PajamaPulitzer
2 Presidents in the past 40 years
Thanks for the dollar being lower than Euro. Thanks for gas at $4.00. Thanks for the middel class being poor. Thanks for 1900 days past "Mission Accomplished" . Are you dumb and blind. Just because you voted for the him twice. Hard to say you made a mistake. People want change. That wont happen with the McSame people doing the same things.
OMAMA 08 Punk A@@
July 24, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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Diff writes:
SickNTired - never looked at it that way - but you are right, The DNC in Denver might just become "ugly" and that could tip the state from Obama, not for him.
July 24, 2008
11:17 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Nobama
To bad your answer to the all the Hate is Mr.Burns from the Simmpsons. Man he is old, so are your comments. DORK!!!!
OBAMA 08
July 24, 2008
11:19 a.m.
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July 24, 2008
11:22 a.m.
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Diff writes:
Dan2, I KNOW what form of government we have in the USA. I have a clue - thank you!
I still believe however that the electoral college should be over turned and the President elected on the basis of the Popular vote!
Where is is writen that by definition any Constitutional Republic must have an Electoral college type system built into it's election process?
It is another insulation of the people from the government - and old - unneeded and outdated one in this case.
Yes it is in OUR constitution, but it can be changed, and I think should be!
That is my opinion, one I have held most of my adult life and it is not a Clueless opinion,
- What is your argument in favor of it somehow being nessassary and better, How is it better to have your vote nullified just because the people in your state think other than you do? Even if you happen to agree with the majority of the Country?
July 24, 2008
11:23 a.m.
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Nobama writes:
DenverDan,
I honestly don't have a clue what you are talking about. Are you talking to ME? Make some sense, and I'll gladly reply directly to any point. Most of you Libs just go off on your own little rants with personal insults (e.g. Dork). Sometimes I think you must be writing in a high school classroom somewhere.
July 24, 2008
11:26 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
DenverDan, you're discriminatory, aren't you? Man, I wonder how Ronal Reagan did such a good job after the failure of Jimmy Carter since Reagan was an old man too.
froward, Coffman isn't running the state government, and I'm thinking there's checks and balances that would prevent anyone from purging voter records. Do you have any proof you can provide us that shows Coffman's done anything against the law since he's been in his position? Making baseless, unfounded accusations is a form of slander. In your paranoid mind, you might be convinced anyone other than a Democrat is guilty of something, but it's a far cry from reality.
July 24, 2008
11:28 a.m.
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Nobama writes:
Dan2,
Wonderful last post! But, don't overwhelm them with too much substance. Try and get them to focus on just one or two issues.
Forward69,
Unless you DID freely admit that you are voting for "American socialism" as espoused by Obama, I'm STILL waiting for a direct response to my Obama experience/policy question. It's been some time. Do you want me to repeat the question? Or, are you just not able to come up with anything specific?
July 24, 2008
11:30 a.m.
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HankRearden writes:
Based on the press coverage I thought Obama was already president. Or king or pope or czar. Do we still get to vote?
July 24, 2008
11:30 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
PajamaPulitze
You have know idea what your talking about. When do you start school? Get off you moms computer. You cant reason with people on the right because they have thier small minds are made up. I am part of the new working poor class thanks to your never do wrong Bush jr.
With Clinton we had a Surplus. With Jr we are at highest debt in histoty!!!! Must be Carter fault.
July 24, 2008
11:34 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
diff, the electoral college makes sense. It keeps a politician from focusing on California, New York, Florida, Ohio and Texas at the expense of the rest of the country. As a matter of fact, it makes voting in states other than those more relevant since the Presidential hopefuls have to make campaign stops in each state, instead of only in the most heavily populated states. It makes your vote count as much as someone in New York, get it? Based on your comments, I'm not sure you fully understand how the electoral college works.
It kept us from having Al Gore as President, and that means we're not a part of his former plans of a New World Order, where the United States is subserviant to the United Nations. It also meant that several of our national parks remain United States property, instead of Gore giving those parks to the United Nations. I won't even go into his delusions in regards to global warming.
July 24, 2008
11:37 a.m.
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JustSayin writes:
Can't say I'm surprised - I've voted big-D Democratic since 1972, and I'm having trouble considering voting for Obama. I'm starting to wonder what a Democratically controlled Congress (both chambers) with a independent minded McCain might be like - would he be able to keep the wild spenders (of both parties) in check while ridding the Executive of the Shrub/Rove holdovers? Or would he feel beholden to the existing ineptitude and continue along the path set out by Shrub's handlers?
The question just asked "How did we get to the point where ME comes before WE?" surprises me coming from a professed Libertarian. Most discussions I've had with folks of a libertarian bent reveals a "Me before We" mindset as their main reason for wanting the 'smallest possible government' in the first place.
July 24, 2008
11:39 a.m.
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Nobama writes:
Froward69,
One more time. Obama is not proposing that "corporations" "pick up the tab" for the "Federal Military". And, I haven't heard him discussing the anectdotal story about your friends appendix. And, Obama has not accused the CDC of doing "nothing to actually prevent disease". Try and focus. Give me one positive point about Obama's experince or stated policies that you think make him worthy of my vote. This will be the third or fourth time I've posed the question and all you do is come back with "stuff" that is off the wall and irrelavent.
July 24, 2008
11:39 a.m.
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leatherneck writes:
Denverdan: As usual with your past few worthless comments. You go to name calling if you don't get people to believe your crap, and things don't go your way. That is a typical Lib reaction to most issues they have no clue on. I know you just got done crying, it will be ok, come off the ledge. You think Osama is going to wave a magic wand and the economy will be all better and gas will fall back to under 3 dollars per gallon?
You will have 4 more years to cry.
Anyone but Obama in 08
July 24, 2008
11:42 a.m.
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SickNTired writes:
Diff ... it will be a spectacular implosion!
July 24, 2008
11:45 a.m.
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Nobama writes:
DenverDan writes:
"PajamaPulitze
You have know idea what your talking about. When do you start school?"
What a clever retort, DenverDan. But, I'm thinking you may have made a Freudian slip there when you said "know" instead of "no". Slow down a little bit, OK?
July 24, 2008
11:45 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
Read this about Al Gore....... http://www.pushhamburger.com/what1.htm
How anyone takes him seriously is beyond me.
July 24, 2008
11:52 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
froward, Obama doesn't have experience that compares to what Bush had in 2000, but nice try. Bush was governor of Texas. Has Obama been a leader at any level? Being a Senator is not leading a city, a state, or the country. Think clearly, and go back and try again.
July 24, 2008
11:56 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
REDNECK
I wear the name LIB with pride. I cant wait untill we win. I will see who is crying all of you white men who hate on Obama. Never talk up the old man, Just hate. By the way Regan was in his 70's at the end of two terms. If Mr. Burns gets in he will be 72.when he starts. Break out the fiber.
OBAMA 08
July 24, 2008
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Nobama writes:
Froward69 writes:
"Obama is of about the same experience as Bushjr in 2000. more in regards to federal government. Mcain has the chops but rarely sticks to topic, the same stand on policy and I must say McCain has the beginnings of dementia. (caused by age)
the Real difference in choice is bush is a C student, McCain is a D student and Obama is an A student.
say what you will but I feel the smartest Guy in the room should be President."
That's IT? That's all you've got? Obama has about the same experience as Bush? FYI, Bush is not on the ballot. (Bush had governed one of the largest states in the US and holds an MBA from Harvard, but that's irrelavent to my question.) Then you take off on McCain's dementia? Do you remember I asked for you to leave Bush and McCain out of it, and not include Obama's personal attributes ("smartest guy in the room", which you can't possibly know or prove). I'm STILL looking for specific positive points on Obama's experience or stated policies.
Where's the referee when you need one? This fight should be called by TKO. Froward69 hasn't got a punch, and I've proven it. I just can't keep beating him up like this.
Nobama has left the building. See ya!
July 24, 2008
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Diff writes:
Cwillyrun1 -
I must wonder from your final paragraph if your view would be the same had the Bush/Gore election been reversed - Bush won the popular vote and Gore the Electoral(?)
The candidates NOW focus most of their time in the more populated states anyway
And with more polulated states in the east it is weighted in favor of entire regions.
How much time have they spend in AK or MT or ID or WY or NM opposed to Calif, New York, Ohio etc.
The Electoral votes each state has is directly proportional to the population. You make it sound like each state has the same number of votes in the Electoral College... Colorado, has 9 California has 55.
I must strongly disagree with your argument!
July 24, 2008
12:14 p.m.
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Americanmade writes:
It's time to think out of the box. I'm tired of people thinking that things are either black or white, Democrate or Republican. It's time to think Republicrate or better yet AMERICAN! Let's wake up and work as a team! Let's drop our differences and see what we have in common and work together to make America a strong and respected country again. It was Democrates AND Republicans who got us in the mess we are in now. It's time to get them to stop their bickering or stand in the corner for some time out while some one else steps in to straighten things out. Time is running out and China is knocking at our back door...is your congressman going to open it?
July 24, 2008
12:15 p.m.
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JohnSmith2 writes:
What I want to know is how many of their sample was Republican, Democrat, and Unaffiliated. And were they going off of party registration or party self-identification?
July 24, 2008
12:15 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Nobama
Tell me you dont think Bush is smarter than Obama. Leave Bush and McCain out of it. Why it does not fit your NOBOMA bashing. You have to back up your trash with something. It is hard to do when you voted for him twice. You wanted to talk about experience as long as it not the guy you voted for. Bushs people had a lot of experience and look what that got him.
NOMRBURNS
July 24, 2008
12:19 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Froward69 writes: "we have tried republicanism, lets do the right thing Vote Democratic."
We tried "democrat" too - he was called Jimmy Carter.
No thanks!
July 24, 2008
12:22 p.m.
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Nobama writes:
Froward69,
I just can't help myself. I had to look at your last post, and it's incredible:
"Obama can compromise and work across the isle far better than mcCain can."
What possible basis do you have to make that statement. It's just pure conjecture on your part, and not supported by any fact. Obama has been in the Senate for two years. During that time he has been totally aligned with the Democrats, rated as the most Liberal member of the Senate. McCain, who has been in Congress/Senate for 26 years (I'm not saying that's good), has a reputation as a maverick, i.e., not always aligning with the Republican Party (I'm not saying that's bad). Point is: McCain would be more likely to deal with the opposition party than Obama. There are specific examples, Campaign Finance Reform, and Immigration Reform. I, personally, am opposed ot McCain's position on those issues, but this totally rebuts your contention that Obama would be more willing to compromise with the opposition party.
Froward69, you just can't keep throwing out this stuff and expect people to take you seriously. But, I guess that isn't a prerequisite to post.
July 24, 2008
12:25 p.m.
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Diff writes:
Dan2 - I must agree with what you have in your first paragraph - the limiting of governmental powers, and Branches of government, their "balances" of power in our constitution does that fairly well. (some arguments could be made about the Supreme court and against theirs being lifetime appointments tho -but that is yet another subject..)
Why does that REQUIRE an electoral college?
I also understand states right and agree with it for the most part - but how does eliminating the Electoral college detract from states rights or lessen the protections from a minority being overrunning by the an "unjust" majority?
AND
You are arguing in favor of the electoral vote based on the logistics it would take to count and recount votes accurately- what is that about? We seem to have trouble doing that as is now however with our level of technology this should not be a problem, again that is another subject..
Take a look at explanations of why the electoral college was put into place back in the mid 1700's and see if any of those make sense TODAY. It is old, Un-nessasary, outdated and it is time to change it!
If every vote counts -then it should count in the Presidential election same as in any other election. without an electoral college that CAN - change it's votes!
July 24, 2008
12:25 p.m.
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leatherneck writes:
Denver(Spam): You will be waiting at least 4 more years, so keep the hanky handy.
July 24, 2008
12:26 p.m.
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Ezana writes:
If McCain wins this thing it will be because of deception. Obama could very well have been the least liberal of all the Dem. yet one flawed study (most liberal in the Senate is presented as fact)Go to senate website for yourself and see how many of bill cosponsors have R's next to their names!His voting record makes him about the 43rd most liberal. Hillary has him beat hands down!
http://www.progressivepunch.org/membe...
Obama is no more socialist then you. People believe he will raise taxes on the middle class-since when is 250,000 a year middle class?!? One in ten think he went to a madrassa (even Fox admits it's untrue), yet i'm getting push polls on my phone that treat it like it's a fact! If McCain wins it will be because of lies! Period. I hope you all enjoy watching you're social security squandered in the stock market, decades of war, a continuation of the effects unregulated mortage lenders, Roe vs. Wade overturned.
July 24, 2008
12:27 p.m.
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tunaman65 writes:
Interesting that Obama's trip overseas is doing nothing for his numbers. He should have stayed home.
July 24, 2008
12:29 p.m.
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jay writes:
"We tried "democrat" too"---you bet we did cowpoke...how'd that turn out for the country...compared to trying our little experiment with bush/mccain policies?
oh yeah...i forgot...we don't have to guess:
http://www.dems.gov/index.asp?Type=B_...{D68CD0B2-1442-4804-9F6B-AF67DE7FF585}&DE={FDD09C4F-E958-4E13-A92B-179C2FAC6FEA}&Design=PrintView
oops.
and i just can't help myself:
"you have had but 2 Presidents in the past 40 years while the GOP has had 5. You think maybe your policies are out of touch with the American people"
pjmama...as we've established several times...the majority of americans support the dems stances on the issues before the country today.
furthermore, since you brought it up...how do you rationalize support for the track records of the republican presidents over the last 50 years?
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
considering that mccain's financial plans continue bush's policy of deficit spending and tax cuts in time of war....how do you further rationalize a vote for mcsame?
July 24, 2008
12:31 p.m.
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Nobama writes:
DenverDan writes:
"Nobama
Tell me you dont think Bush is smarter than Obama. Leave Bush and McCain out of it. Why it does not fit your NOBOMA bashing. You have to back up your trash with something. It is hard to do when you voted for him twice. You wanted to talk about experience as long as it not the guy you voted for. Bushs people had a lot of experience and look what that got him."
Read my lips, now: Bush is not on the ballot! I do not bring up Bush in my posts, only in response to Libs who just can't help going off on their Bush rants without provocation. I am not defending Bush, and I am not bashing Obama. (Can you cite an example?) I'm asking you Libs to give me reasons to vote for Obama, that have something to do with his experience or stated policy. I don't care about any other candidates or former presidents. Can you just focus for once? This is not a word association game, or a chance for you to rant at will. It's supposed to be a discussion forum. Try it.
July 24, 2008
12:33 p.m.
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steel writes:
BO keeps saying to vote for him so he can somehow, magically, all by himself, give us "Change We Can Believe In". I just have one question, that so far no democrat has been able to answer... Change to what?
July 24, 2008
12:40 p.m.
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Diff writes:
steel - if you really want to know - take 15 mins to look at his web site!
no president will or can do it with out
1)public support, and
2)congressional support -
Most of the opposition to "changes" will come from one or more of these camps - and again well be stuck trying to be someplace in the middle ground and or doing the same old same old the old same way!
July 24, 2008
12:42 p.m.
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steel writes:
Diff..."Most of the opposition to "changes" will come from one or more of these camps - and again well be stuck trying to be someplace in the middle ground and or doing the same old same old the old same way!"
So you're saying he can't really change anything?
July 24, 2008
12:52 p.m.
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ToeNee writes:
Maybe there is hope America will come to it's senses and shake their blind faith in this socialist candidate Obama. McCain is an awful alterative, but right now we have no other viable choices. Like McCain's still living mother said "American's will have to hold their noses and vote for my son".
July 24, 2008
12:52 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
froward, try providing proof of how Bush bankrupted everything his father bought for him. I know you can't, and won't do it, but I'll give you an opportunity.
You still fail with your comments on Bush and Obama. Bush was leader of one of the most populated states in the country. Obama is not. Bush also had his father to lean on for anything on the federal level, Obama has nobody. You bring up "learning the workings of Congress", so anybody in Congress must be highly qualified to become President, right? I don't think so, but hey, you can have your opinion.
Too bad you can't make a good debate...... I don't even have to try and I still make you look bad. Others are too.
July 24, 2008
12:54 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
jay writes: "We tried "democrat" too"---you bet we did cowpoke...how'd that turn out for the country..."
Well, let's see...
Long lines at the gas pumps and Americans held hostage in Iran.
(The same hostages who were released THE SAME DAY Reagan took over).
Terrorists take Republicans seriously - that's why Hamas is pulling for Obama.
July 24, 2008
12:57 p.m.
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steel writes:
mymilehi... Go back to bed with your boy toy. BO doesn't really want your gay pals openly campaining for him.
July 24, 2008
12:59 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
diff, you can disagree, and that's fine. But you disagree with the majority of Americans. The electoral college was covered fairly well by Dan2 at 12:02. But to expand a little.... the electoral college means that the states most heavily populated don't determine the outcome of the vote. Deny it if you will, but under a popular vote, a Presidential hopeful only needs to worry about a half dozen states to win an election, while the rest of the country wouldn't matter.
Don't have much hope for it changing..... because it won't. Funny how it was fine until the Dems lost the election in 2000 and then there was a cry from them to change it, but it still won't happen.
July 24, 2008
1 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
DenverDan, you'd vote for a man surrounded by people who hate white people?
July 24, 2008
1:09 p.m.
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ToeNee writes:
Froward69 - Carter did what in your parallel universe? Sorry pal but I was alive when Reagen took control and got our hostages out of Iran in this verse!
July 24, 2008
1:09 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
froward, here to help you again. Our current economic grief? Obama talks about taxing the oil companies to reduce gas prices, which is the opposite of what would happen. The last time it was tired was during the Carter administration, and it failed badly. Long gas lines and higher gas prices resulted. Preeminent ambassador of goodwill? The Israeli-Egyptian peace accord is the only thing that comes to mind with that, the rest is just him thinking he still has relevance in the global picture, which he doesn't. Carter should've stuck to the peanuts instead of becoming a nut himself.
How do you feel about supporting a candidate that in 2005 voted FOR corporate welfare? No, not McCain, but Obama. Obama voted for it and to say he's against it goes opposite of what his record shows.
July 24, 2008
1:10 p.m.
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steel writes:
Good to see froward finally back to his name calling. Makes me want to rush out and vote for BO so I can cuss out everybody who doesn't agree with me. Your kids emulating you yet froward?
July 24, 2008
1:11 p.m.
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Diff writes:
Cwillyrun1 - I am happy to disagree especialy with the majority- that's what the Diff is about; something Different!
"You know why we the call the main stream a s stream - because it is so shallow" (Geo Carlin)
There are some good arguments on both sides of this issue - But in this case I am not just playing Devils advocate - I have held this believe since Jr High Civics class ( no.. that is not about HONDA cars)
I too doubt it will change - at least in our life time -
I will still vote - and vote for Obama
even IF the polls tell me at the end of October that it is a waste of time...
July 24, 2008
1:13 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
Wow forward, mental midget today? I wouldn't want you for a secretary, so don't worry.
Anyway, you're the one making the accusations, so get going with proving it instead of coming across as if you just got off the short bus with your special helmet sliding off and drool running down your chin.
July 24, 2008
1:14 p.m.
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LoneTreeLady75 writes:
Both candidates are awful choices. This will be the first time in 15 years that I will not vote.
July 24, 2008
1:18 p.m.
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freethought writes:
LoneTreeLady75, who did you vote for all those years, the winner?
If it was Bush the last two times, then I'm glad your giving up on voting. You aren't good at it.
July 24, 2008
1:19 p.m.
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ToeNee writes:
I must correct myself. Iran got the hint when we "elected" Reagan. (like Obama) Carter was no threat to Iran. They knew the gig was up with Reagan coming into power.
July 24, 2008
1:19 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
NOBAMA
You said "I am not defending Bush, and I am not bashing Obama"
Your ID name is "NOBAMA". You sound like rush L.
July 24, 2008
1:26 p.m.
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LoneTreeLady75 writes:
LOL Freethought, I definitely didnt vote for Bush. I've voted Libertarian the last few elections. Thanks for trying to start an argument though!
July 24, 2008
1:28 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Froward69 writes: "ToeNee, back it up ... so what did regan do to free the hostages?"
Reagan just had to be Reagan. That was all it took.
Froward69 - You wouldn't happen to wear tights and a multi-colored hat with jinglebells on the tips, would you?
July 24, 2008
1:29 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Chillyrun1
DenverDan, you'd vote for a man surrounded by people who hate white people?
The sad truth is you probly think that is true. People at fox news amd AM radio think if they say things like that enough it will be a fact. Crap like this are why I am not a Republican any more.
July 24, 2008
1:31 p.m.
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Nobama writes:
"Froward69 writes:
Nobama, have you even looked at the tax policy breakdown...?"
All I need to know is that he wants to INCREASE taxes by repealing the tax cuts that are in place. So far, that's the ONLY point of Obama's policy that you have cited. Is that why you want me to vote for Obama? As long as your taxes are increased, you don't care if others are taxed more? Are you subject to capital gains taxes? You don't have to be "rich" to pay captial gains taxes. Are you going to parrot back the "tax the rich" mantra that Democrats are so fond of. That, in itself, is a socialist policy.
July 24, 2008
1:31 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Froward69 writes: "Carter did the negotiating and ignored his campaign."
No politician since the dawn of time (on either side) EVER ignored his campaign.
July 24, 2008
1:32 p.m.
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temurlan writes:
Cowboy writes: "Reagan just had to be Reagan. That was all it took."
LOL It's funny but true.
July 24, 2008
1:35 p.m.
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temurlan writes:
Nobama, I think it's hilarious that you keep forcing froward to type "NOBAMA"
July 24, 2008
1:37 p.m.
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Nobama writes:
DenverDan writes:
NOBAMA
"You said "I am not defending Bush, and I am not bashing Obama"
Your ID name is "NOBAMA". You sound like rush L."
DD,
I'm trying really hard to follow your logic. I think I'm missing something. My ID name is "NOBAMA", ergo this proves I'm "bashing Obama". Then you come back with the equally profound quote "you sound like rush L", ergo I'm supposed to be offended?
Do you EVER make a point? Or, are you just into insults and irrelavent rants? Give me a pitch to hit or get out of the ball game.
July 24, 2008
1:37 p.m.
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SickNTired writes:
Froward. If you must insult someone, get it right. INBRED. Were you left behind in "no child left behind"?
July 24, 2008
1:39 p.m.
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Nobama writes:
Forward69,
Apparently YOU can't spell inbred. But, I'm not surprised.
July 24, 2008
1:42 p.m.
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jay writes:
cowboy...i posted actual facts and data for you to look at...did you take a look? what did you think? was there a trend?
"Bush was leader of one of the most populated states in the country. "
you bet he was, cwilly...and we should have paid attention to his track record there.
furthermore, cwilly, obama wants to end corporate welfare for oil companies. if the oil companies have the ability influence prices...why are they immune to charges of price gouging? Why the capitol hill two step in congressional committee meetings? if they don't have that ability...then why not end a lot of the corporate welfare they're supposed to be using for research and development and funnel some of those funds towards alternative energy dev? it's not like the corporate welfare has helped to keep our gas prices under control:
1992
$19/barrel
$1.05/gallon
2000
$23/barrel
$1.42/gallon
somewhere in here the republicans held meetings with the "energy task force"
2008
$140+/barrel
$4/gallon
this is just one guy talking...but if we're seeing these kind of increases...i'd just as soon use the corporate welfare elsewhere.
if you folks are so keen on continuing bush's platform under mccain...explain to me why we'd continue using policies that helped to lower median family income, adjusted for inflation, from $59,398 in 2000 to $58,407 in 2006?
i mean come on...the stock market would have to get to roughly 14,500 points, again...adjusted for inflation, to get to the point we had before the republican reign took effect.
i don't know about you, but that's about all the "success" i can take.
July 24, 2008
1:46 p.m.
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ToeNee writes:
Froward69 - Good observation (except your 180 out of phase with reality), Terrorist nations support Obama because he is so weak on national security. Then again Juan McCain is for open borders and cap-n-trade. Both policies will and are killing our economy. We are caught between a rock and a hard place this election cycle. Vote for whoever you want, either way it's going to be we the people who saves this country, not our government.
July 24, 2008
1:47 p.m.
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Nobama writes:
Froward69 writes:
"you just proved my point Nobama, you refuse to see the tax DECREASE Obama will deliver.
no rational thought here.
indoctrinated blind followers of rushL. none of you give a shit about Americas fate nor Americas future. Only retaining power for Fascists."
Now you're just making youself look foolish. Are you saying that Obama is proposing a net decrease in income taxes? Just answer the question, please. (Guess we're about to see who is "rational".) You think the last statement you just made is "rational". You're starting to scare me again with this Fascists thing. I think maybe I've flushed you out for all to see.
July 24, 2008
1:48 p.m.
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CDee writes:
So we have a democrat majority in the house and the senate.
If we get a democrat president, who are they going to blame when things so wrong?
They won’t be able to blame it on the nasty, hateful republicans anymore.
July 24, 2008
1:51 p.m.
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Nobama writes:
jay,
I love it when you trot out the facts. Seems to me there is a deep collective breath taken by the Libs. But, now you've done it. They will be back soon with all of their stock rants that have nothing to do with what you said. It's like a smoke screen attack.
July 24, 2008
1:53 p.m.
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leatherneck writes:
DenverDan: You flip flop just like Osaywhatever. And your a racist.
You are a flaming liberal, and your not helping your party or arguements at all with your BS.
DenverDan, you'd vote for a man surrounded by people who hate white people?
"The sad truth is you probly think that is true. People at fox news amd AM radio think if they say things like that enough it will be a fact. Crap like this are why I am not a Republican any more."
"I wear the name LIB with pride."
"you white men who hate on Obama"
I dought that you were ever a Republican very seriously.
July 24, 2008
1:58 p.m.
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July 24, 2008
1:59 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Froward69 writes: "can you spell I-N-B-R-E-A-D?"
Are you serious? Priceless!
Jay - any link that starts with "www.dems" is hardly going to be objective.
I don't need the link - I lived the Carter era. Hands down, the worst president this country has ever had. Carter makes George Bush look like George Washington!
July 24, 2008
2 p.m.
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ToeNee writes:
Anyone ever notice how the Jay that types here sounds a lot like that fat blowhard brainstem on Boulders socialist AM radio station? I wonder if their the same?
July 24, 2008
2:02 p.m.
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ToeNee writes:
Nobama - CNN does give us Glenn Beck. So their not all bad in my book.
July 24, 2008
2:09 p.m.
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temurlan writes:
Nobama, Obama is not a flip flopper. Flip floppers only take one position at a time. He is a both sideser.
July 24, 2008
2:12 p.m.
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JSeifert writes:
Anyone that trusts a poll needs to have their voter card pulled! Polls can be manipulated to say what ever that person wants, you want Obama to pull ahead poll in Boulder and Denver you want McCain to pull ahead poll the rest of the state. Polls are polical tools by left wing and right wing leaning papers to make their party look good. Everyone just need to vote the way they want and let the numbers fall were may. But I see alot of Chad counting and machine errors coming in november also alot of dead people voting Obama is from chicago where the dead keep on voting.
July 24, 2008
2:13 p.m.
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Nobama writes:
Froward69,
OK. I guess that pretty much shows where you are coming from and what you're all about. That was my objective today, and I achieved it. Why don't you just crawl back up on the porch and quit trying to run with the big dogs. But, you still scare me. Are you going to be all right?
July 24, 2008
2:18 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Obama just rocked Europe. Cant wait to see how people on the right make that a bad thing. 200.000 were there to see him. WOW!
The old man would not fill a candy store there. Wonder why? Cant wait to hear why it is bad to be liked by the world? They must not know he didnt have a pin on his coat!
Obama 08
July 24, 2008
2:18 p.m.
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Nobama writes:
ToeNee writes:
"Nobama - CNN does give us Glenn Beck. So their not all bad in my book."
You're right, of course. I was referring to their news reports versus commentary. (I have a hard time telling the differnece on CNN.) I should have made that distinction.
July 24, 2008
2:18 p.m.
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raoul writes:
froward69
get a life. you've been posting non stop for over 4 hours trying to pursuade people of how intelligent you are and that Obama's the answer to the world.
the result: you must be a real jack*ss and I'd vote for McCain just because pr&cks like you support Obama
July 24, 2008
2:19 p.m.
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katie212 writes:
WHAT.
July 24, 2008
2:21 p.m.
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SickNTired writes:
Froward, please pull your head out of your arse and put it in the dictionary. I think you mean epiphany? Are you inbred?
July 24, 2008
2:26 p.m.
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Nobama writes:
DenverDan writes:
"Obama just rocked Europe. Cant wait to see how people on the right make that a bad thing. 200.000 were there to see him. WOW!"
How about we turn this around? Tell me why this is so great? Obama mesmerizes crowds wherever he goes. No doubt about it. So do international rock stars. How does that translate into anything but a superficial personal quality? BTW, I'm still waiting on YOU to come up with a positive reason to vote for Obama that is not related to purely personal attributes. Which point on experience or policy have you come up with?
July 24, 2008
2:28 p.m.
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July 24, 2008
2:29 p.m.
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Frontranger writes:
Straight Talk Express? It's more like the Short Bus Express!
July 24, 2008
2:36 p.m.
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Nobama writes:
Froward69 writes:
"you are nothing more than a parrot of Oxycontin addicted rush."
Wow, you really have a way with jibberish. But, I liked it better when you used four letter words. Back to the point, did you ever answer my question about Obama's "tax plan" (the only specific Obama policy you've even referred to all day long). Does it amount to a net "decrease" in Federal taxes, as you implied, or a net "increase", which is fact? Could you just respond to just one point today so I can sign off? Please?
July 24, 2008
2:40 p.m.
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temurlan writes:
Froward, yes, when they are good. That one is good and accurate.
July 24, 2008
2:42 p.m.
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Conservativeslayer writes:
I got to laugh at all you righties saying the dems will bankrupt the country. FACT 90% of our national debt was incurred under the Presidencies of Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. Please lecture us on how fiscally irresponbible the democrats are, we all need the laughs. Also please keep whining about how unfair the "liberal" media is being to McCain. How many times has McCain shown he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to Iraq, and the media let's it go? The man said Iraq shares a border with Afghanistan and Pakistan. WRONG but the media didn't call him on it. 2 days ago on the CBS evening news, McCain showed he didn't know when the Surge began, saying the surge was responsible for the Anbar awakening. The awakening happened before the surge began. What did "liberal" CBS news do? They edited out his mistake and still have refused to announce the correction to their audience. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07... I guess that's the usual MO of "liberals", cover up the mistakes of conservatives.
July 24, 2008
2:47 p.m.
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BroncoDan writes:
"sentiment blaming Democrats for the soaring price of gas"???
Who made that up? GEEZ! Froward, did you start that rumor?
July 24, 2008
2:47 p.m.
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leatherneck writes:
Nobama: I have noticed that none of the Libs have answered your direct questions? Have any of them been answered? I wonder why that is? Is because the answer would discredit their ajenda, or because they don't want to answer because it would prove them wrong?
July 24, 2008
2:57 p.m.
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Nobama writes:
Forward69,
Obama's proposal: "Increase" in taxes or "Decrease" in taxes? Just a simple choice. You just can't do it, can you? All you have are insulting come backs.
July 24, 2008
2:58 p.m.
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Big_D writes:
Cwillyrun1,
Could you please point out every policy difference between McSame, I mean McCain, and Bush?
Also could somebody please explain to me why people who don’t own landlines or get polled prefer Obama 60% but don’t get added to the margin of error?
I also have to express my deep distaste for the GOP making bigotry “en vogue” for their party. I may not always agree with the GOP but now I don’t even respect the party of bigotry. I thought when a couple of your elderly statesmen passed away the segregationist nature of the GOP would be put to rest. I am thoroughly disappointed that any Americans could set aside liberty and justice for ALL.
And JustSayin we know you have not voted for Democrats since 72 you have stated different in debates with me so please spare us.
July 24, 2008
3:01 p.m.
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Big_D writes:
Also about Obama in Germany, they love him and turned out by the thousands to see a man they say is the best thing for America since John Kennedy. They think Obama would be a welcome break from the policies that have strained US and German relations.
July 24, 2008
3:01 p.m.