Ticket holders must prove they can get to Obama's speech
By David Montero, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published July 24, 2008 at 9:04 a.m.
Matt McClain © The Rocky
First-time delegates join Howard Dean as the Democratic National Committee chairman tours the site where Barack Obama will give his acceptance speech Aug. 28.
Photo by Matt McClain © The Rocky
Howard Dean, third from left, tours the stadium with former Denver mayor Federico Pena, fifth from left, and other officials of the Democratic National Convention Committee .
People who get tickets to see Barack Obama at Invesco Field will be required to show they can get there and plan to attend the event themselves, officials said Thursday.
Jenny Backus, Obama's senior adviser to the convention, said with thousands of people wanting to go, the Obama campaign wants to make sure all tickets get used by the people who requested them.
"When we distribute the tickets, one of the only prerequisites for tickets is — since they're free — is that you have to tell us how you're going to get there," she said. "You need to give us a plan on how you're going to get there and you'll have to check back in with us a couple of times along the way."
If people can't show they will be at Invesco to hear Obama accept the Democratic presidential nomination, their tickets will be cycled back into the pool and redistributed to someone else.
Backus said "when they are coming through the state party offices, we want to make sure people are going to use the tickets, and we have different ways we can check that." But she said it won't be specific — like asking people to provide airline tickets.
She also said the stadium will be mostly filled with locals.
"Rest assured, a great majority of the people in that stadium will be from Colorado and Denver and the surrounding region — bordering states in the mountain region," she said.
Good thing, too.
Pat Waak, Colorado Democratic Party chair, said recently she's gotten more than 9,000 requests for tickets. Natalie Wyeth, spokeswoman for the Democratic National Convention Committee, said they've gotten close to 14,000.
DNCC officials said the ticket distribution system will be announced next week — likely Monday or Tuesday.
With the anticipation of heavy demand, Backus said they won't be relying on a professional ticket distribution system like Ticketmaster. Instead, she said the Obama campaign and state parties will be primary ticket distributors.
Backus also said they are addressing ticket resale issues — meaning what happens if tickets end up on ebay or Craigslist for big bucks.
"I think these are going to be such a hot commodity and that there are so many people who want them that I don't see that being a problem," Backus said. "Obviously, we'll have some tracking methods that will come out next week, and we're going to rely on the goodwill of people to do the right thing."
Logistics for the fourth night of the convention have been the subject of a lot of conversation and Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean got his first look inside Invesco Field on Thursday morning.
Dean said he's reviewed drawings for the staging of the event and was "stunned" by them. However, he also said the Obama campaign has not signed off on them yet.
"If the campaign accepts the drawings, they're extraordinary," Dean said.
Backus said "we're being slow and steady" in planning the convention and they're "getting close" to the final layout of the staging.
Dean was in Denver for the second straight day. On Wednesday, he checked out progress of the transformation of the Pepsi Center from a sports and entertainment arena to the Democratic Party's center of activity.
The DNC chair said he expects Invesco Field could hold more than 80,000 people for Obama's speech — hinting that about 5,000 seats would be available on the field as well.
Because of the large crowd expected, Backus said activities are being planned for people as they file into Invesco Field. "It's going to take us awhile to fill a stadium," she said.
As for signs being allowed at the event, she said it will be "a clean look."
Dean also clarified that the DNCC is legally in charge of ticket distribution.
"Obviously we're going to take a great deal of input from the Obama campaign," Dean said. "This is their convention in terms of nomination — as the secretary (Federico Peña) said it's America's convention — but legally it's the DNCC."
The Democratic National Convention, which runs from Aug. 25-28, is just over a month away and Dean acknowledged it was a short turnaround time when the Obama campaign announced it was moving the nomination speech from the Pepsi Center to Invesco Field.
"This is pretty short notice to do something like this," Dean said. "But we think it's great."
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July 24, 2008
9:30 a.m.
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Alive writes:
Now their going to have to sanitize the place after he leaves. More taxpayer money down the drain.
July 24, 2008
9:50 a.m.
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SickNTired writes:
Turn the poo gun on him.
July 24, 2008
9:51 a.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
What is he doing? Checking out two new facilities to see if they're good enough to defile with dnc rhetoric?
July 24, 2008
10:24 a.m.
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raoul writes:
He worrys about everbody else being on time but fails to realize he's already late himself. Barack Hussein Obama is already the president. Don't believe me? Just listen to Hussein Obama. Arrogant, elitist, populist, etc.. will be his downfall in November.
July 24, 2008
10:28 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
AAAAWWWYYYEEEAAAHHH!!!!
July 24, 2008
10:29 a.m.
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RockLobster writes:
"And then we're going to Illinois, and then we're going to Pennsylvania..............YEEEHAAAHHHHH!"
July 24, 2008
10:31 a.m.
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RockLobster writes:
You just beat me to it, danirobi!
July 24, 2008
11:22 a.m.
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ccash14 writes:
ezikel777 I believe that the last time I looked, this country was under the control of a republican president. He is the only who brought us into war and controls what is released. Besides, If the government did not want you to know, you would not have found the information in the first place.
Your right about one thing though, This is great information and it does make me feel good about hearing positive news from Iraq. I will pass it on.
P.S. Stop looking for reasons to hate Obama, rather listen for once and you might learn something...
July 24, 2008
11:36 a.m.
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Diff writes:
Maybe later this fall he could come back and be the Broncos Male Cheer Leader!
Yaaaaaa Haaaaa!
July 24, 2008
11:41 a.m.
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Newenergycommie writes:
Caption for the photo.
"We're going to need a bigger drop cloth and a splash guard. That is where Chris Matthews will be sitting"
July 24, 2008
11:47 a.m.
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cooperjtd writes:
ezekiel, aren't we under a republican commander and chief? Wasn't Shrub the one who put us into a war? and granted I don't follow politics all that much, but last I heard Obama was saying something about a time line for with drawl, or maybe I'm mistaken. Also, it's not that the liberals control the press and don't want you to know how good iraq is doing. The news corps are a business and as such they report news that bolster ratings. So before you start your conspiracy theory, maybe we all should blame ourselves as a society for creating an environment where good deeds go unnoticed. After all, how many of us slow down and gawk at a car wreck, but yet don't slow down to appreciate somebody helping change a persons tire. Sadly, it's just the way we are...
July 24, 2008
11:54 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
History being made in Denver. The next President of the United States excepting the job in Mile High. Be proud Colorado it will Happen.
Obama 08
July 24, 2008
11:59 a.m.
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SickNTired writes:
It will be history alright dilligaf. Take an umbrella with you!
July 24, 2008
12:03 p.m.
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leatherneck writes:
"Over there, I want to take out all of those seats to make room for Obamas head and his ears. And You need to take down the Big White Horse, because we don't want the Big O to be offended."
July 24, 2008
12:46 p.m.
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leatherneck writes:
"And over there, you need to remove all that grass, so the libs don't over eat"
July 24, 2008
1:34 p.m.
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Excalibur writes:
It's Invesco Field AT MILE HIGH. Where's Hicky when we need him.
July 24, 2008
1:39 p.m.
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Diff writes:
Alive-
What stupid and Jr Highish statement to make!
Grow up!
July 24, 2008
1:48 p.m.
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LingLingfor_prez writes:
Probably everyone will wear their Elway jerseys thinking the NFL season has started.
July 24, 2008
3:49 p.m.
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dummas writes:
why not give the tickets to the homeless? this would solve the problem of them in civic center park and make BO look good. But wait, there will be no homeless problem in denver during the convention will there?
July 24, 2008
4:20 p.m.
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Jace writes:
Yes an oil spill on the Mississippi River. A tanker with oil hit by a barge. It was not an oil drilling platform that caused the spill. Please report accurately. I hope the people in Denver have the day off and beer kegs set up for the event at Envesco Field as they did in Germany. Please remember that all of us have the right to vote and Howard Dean will not be able to fix the numbers as he did for you primary. Please remember when voteing, register to vote, if you have not voted in some time (like once in a blue moon) make sure you are still listed, know where your voteing place is, and please mark your choice correctly.
Now for the news out of Germany that is truly not shocking if you are an Obama supporter.
Obama cancelled a planned short visit to Rammstein and Landstuhl US Military basses in Germany. The visits were planed for Friday. "Barack Obama will not be coming to us," a spokesperson for US Military hospital announced "I don't know why." You can google Obama's response for me it does not hold any water. Correct me if I am wrong but was he not yesterday telling you what a good job troops were doing when he was in Iraq and Afganistan? And the shell game continues.
July 24, 2008
7:29 p.m.
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GetReal writes:
Concerning the large crowds-
Isn't it funny how the media never mentioned there was a FREE concert with multiple popular German acts -- reggae artist Patrice and rock band Reamonn before Obama's speech?
The media did the same thing in Portland where the super hot hometown band heralded by Rolling Stone, The Decemberists, played a 45 minute free show before Obama spoke. Indy rock websites were all pushing the news and hyping it big time.
So who did all the people really come to see, real rockstars or Obama, and why is the media leaving out this pertinent information ?
Because they are in the tank for The Boy King of course.
July 24, 2008
8:41 p.m.
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WestminsterJ writes:
leatherneck- I bet you crack up the ten year olds.
July 24, 2008
8:54 p.m.
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obama08 writes:
LOL nobody knows how to "fix the numbers" like the Repugs - think BOTH the 2000 and the 2004 elections! Why else would a country as great as America have "elected" such a flippin' idiot TWICE???
Jace wrote: Howard Dean will not be able to fix the numbers as he did for you primary.
July 24, 2008
8:55 p.m.
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raoul writes:
Is the Boy King a messiah or a dumbarse?
you decide http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArtic...
July 24, 2008
9:04 p.m.
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July 24, 2008
9:23 p.m.
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speakthetruth writes:
Oh, the sore Right-wing wacko sore losers. You just wish McSame thought of anything this cool. He's still in the 19th century. He still thinks dirty old stinky oil is the future. And he doesn't even know that Iraq does NOT border Afghanistan. What a scary, scarry old idiot!
July 24, 2008
10:10 p.m.
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navymom writes:
If anyone actually watched the big O's, as in O boy was he windy, speech today, you would have seen that the crowd was not overly excited about most of his speech. They were excited when he praised Germany, called for no more nukes, and more green energy. When he mentioned things like the fact that Europe needed to send troops to Afghanistan and help financially with the problems of the world (just as George Bush did) there was just a smattering of applause.
By contrast, the crowd went wild for the concert beforehand.
Obama can say "I am not here as a presidential candidate for the United States but as a citizen of the U.S. and a citizen of the world" all he wants, but make no mistake about it, this was a campaign speech on foreign soil just as his press conference in Jordan was.
July 25, 2008
1 a.m.
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farmboy writes:
Froward69 wrote, "200,000 Freely went to see Obama."
But he had to offer a free concert put on by a reggae musician named Patrice and a band named Reamonn along with free brats and beer to do it. http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/200...
Similar to what happened in Oregon a couple of months ago when 70,000 reportedly went to see him, but were actually drawn there by a free concert.
So I'd bet that if the Dems don't put on a free concert with free food and drink to attract 80,000 people, BHO will be speaking to an empty stadium.
"Hitler ordered factories to close and his countrymen to attend."
Funny thing you mentioned Hitler. The "Victory Column", where BHO gave his speech was Hitler's favorite monument.
July 25, 2008
2:08 a.m.
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Shadow writes:
What a smattering of OFF TOPIC COMMENTS! The point of this articale is that the DNC are control freaks. Look at what they said. Before you get your tickets you haver to tell them how you plan to get to the event. What kind of B.S. is this. The tickets are free. This implies first come first serve as to who gets these. What are they going to do to, or for those who at the last minute cannot get there? Are they going to insist that you after having the tickets make an effort to get the tickets to someone else? Are they going to come to your front door and demand the tickets back?
What this is is an attempt at a sham P.R. stunt. They want all the seats filled no matter what. If you watched alot of Obamas stump spoeaches. His crouds were dwindeling. Lots of empty seats. They moved audiance members in closer to give the illusion of a jammed packed event.
This event will be no different from any of Obamas other smoke and mirror events. Looks good but no substance.
July 25, 2008
6:21 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
I'd buy a ticket, sell it on e-bay, then give the money to the Republican party:o)
BTW, how is everyone feeling about that "gas tax holiday" that Denver is having while the Dems are in town??? Being a tax payer I upset because I shouldn't be paying for the Dems to roll around in their cars/limos. They should pay for their own gas!
July 25, 2008
6:29 a.m.
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Jace writes:
Two interesting places to visit.
Of intrest to both the Obama supporters and those of us who do not.
Why so much media attention check out:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArtic...
Obama the message. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comm...
Both are spot on for this subject. Enjoy
July 25, 2008
8:18 a.m.
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JustSayin writes:
Oooo - better watch how we refer to the Chosen One! Now it's not proper to use the M-word? Facts are facts, RMN.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulatto
July 25, 2008
8:34 a.m.
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trinidad writes:
Aug. 25-28 will be like 3 days in hell for the city of Denver and the state of Colorado. I think 2 John
verse 7 best describes obama and is reason to not trust him. please take the time to look it up. it's between Peter and Revelation in the New Testament.
July 25, 2008
8:47 a.m.
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farmboy writes:
Froward69,
But why would he need to speak there at all? It's not as if people in Germany have the right to vote for him, and private American citizens usually travel to Germany to see the sights and drink some beer; not give a big fancy speech at Hitler's favorite monument.
July 25, 2008
8:50 a.m.
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Scott writes:
Froward69,
AWWwwww whats a matter. Someone say something that YOU think is disparaging about YOUR Messiah?
While "Mic" for an Irishman is considered derogatory (I'm of "Mic" ancestry and always refer to myself as a Mic) the word "mulatto" is NOT considered derogatory. Therefore, to call The Messiah a "mulatto" is technically correct and NOT derogatory. OOPS! I forgot. The libs can redefine anything at anytime anywhere. Therefore, those of us who will not bow to The Messiah are forbidden from pointing out truths and facts.
Scott
July 25, 2008
8:53 a.m.
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P_Denver writes:
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ccash14 writes:
ezikel777 I believe that the last time I looked, this country was under the control of a republican president. He is the only who brought us into war and controls what is released. Besides, If the government did not want you to know, you would not have found the information in the first place.
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Really? The president is the one who "controls what is released" ??? In his dreams!
And you truly think that facts regarding the number of schools open, and the number of police and military units in action could be hidden, even though there are hundreds of journalists -- from all over the world, not just from the USA -- in Iraq every day?
Give me a break.
July 25, 2008
8:55 a.m.
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Scott writes:
trinidad:
From the King James version of the Bible: 2 John 7, "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."
So has the libs new Messiah said this? If so then please give a reference.
Scott
July 25, 2008
9 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
To all the white freaks on the right, "Cry me a river".
July 25, 2008
9:02 a.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
" dummas writes:
why not give the tickets to the homeless? this would solve the problem of them in civic center park and make BO look good. But wait, there will be no homeless problem in denver during the convention will there? "
BO with BO...sounds kinda catchy...LET'S DO IT!!!
After all, the DEMONRATS are supposed to be helping the UNWASHED and DOWNTRODDEN public...
( never mind that HICK in the corner..pay attention to the great WIZARD, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!! )
July 25, 2008
9:02 a.m.
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Alive writes:
Has anyone looked at the problems in Senator Obama's home turf? Is this what the whole country can expect? Just a question. Obama disciples may now cast their stones at me.
July 25, 2008
9:04 a.m.
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Alive writes:
Pssst, DenverDan. Your racism is showing.
July 25, 2008
9:06 a.m.
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fluxtube writes:
Froward69, "OBAMA wanted to speak at the other side of that plaza, at the Brandenburg gate. But was refused"
Bullcrap. Many Germans said it wasn't a good idea. At least he listened to them and he or his handlers CHOSE the location.
The sick part is that he's already using it for fundraising. I thought this wasn't a political trip, just another citizen...
July 25, 2008
9:12 a.m.
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RUKidding writes:
Wow, yesterday this story was about Dean touring Invesco, today about proving you can get there.
Good job RMN. Don't bother writting a new story.
July 25, 2008
9:40 a.m.
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davies writes:
I wonder if the DNC has any unspoken agenda with regard to keeping out protesters, whether they be conservative or lunatic fringe from either end? Just sayin', seems like a lot of "checking up" on the people who want to attend. Since they decided to use a stadium with 70,000+ seats, good luck to them in their screening processes...
July 25, 2008
9:53 a.m.
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zivo24 writes:
ezekiel777,
I, too, would like to know...if everything is so honky dory in Iraq...why are we still pouring billions of dollars a month into it while our economy is floundering?
Why are our troops still in harm's way?
July 25, 2008
10 a.m.
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trinidad writes:
SCOTT
I don't know what obamas religious beliefs are or what he believes as far as Christ goes. I shouldn't judge him(or anyone) that "harshly" or have implied that he said anything about Christ. I mainly was referring to the deceiver part of the verse. I am very much interested to know what his faith is and if he believes in Christ. Sorry to misled.
July 25, 2008
10:06 a.m.
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farmboy writes:
Froward69,
McCain said BHO should see what is happening in the world, not act like he's running for King of it.
And where in the world do you come up with the notion that respect with Germany is done at the point of a gun?
Where BHO spoke is also called the Victory Column. His being refused giving his platitude loaded speech at the Brandenburg Gate instead is irrelevant. What he did was no different than if someone running for Chancellor of Germany had come here to make a campaign speech at Central Park in New York, because they were refused speaking at the Statue of Liberty.
Germany may have an interest in who we have as president, but it's no more their business who we elect as president than whom they elect as their chancellor is any business of ours.
July 25, 2008
10:13 a.m.
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ColdShot writes:
Why are our troops still in Korea????? Why are our troops still in Germany???????Etc Etc!!! Do you see what an assinine question that was??? To have fought a politically correct war was indeed foolish! If you think the war against terror begins and ends in either Afghanistan or Iraq or OBL you are a fool!! those are merely 2 battles among many to come. If you want to be a pacifist, move to France!! If you want to be an American, stop your sniveling and whining and help win the war! The liberal media is exactly that, and to expect a honest accounting on anything is also very foolish!! Liberalisim is a mental illness, and until it is treated as such, the sickness and stench will linger forever.
July 25, 2008
10:34 a.m.
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jay writes:
i need to support republicans policies in iraq in order to be considered an "american" by you, coldshot?
how exactly do you propose the citizens of america "help win the war"?
should we enlist? we don't have the troops necessary to stabilize the entire country and foster political progress (thus why the surge failed to meet its stated goal)....so should we support starting the draft in order to send our soldiers the help they need to "win" and come home?
hey by the way...when was the last time we had 25 deaths in one month of troop patrols in south korea?
July 25, 2008
10:37 a.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
Just say you were going via the famous RTD...Your tickets would get yanked so fast your head would spin....
Ahh, but RTD is transit for the MASSES. You know, who the DEMONRATS say that they support. ( while stealing OUR tax dollars )
As for the speech in DEUTSCHLAND, Hussein OBAMA just wanted to follow in the footsteps of another (in)famous orator....
With the same kind of NSDAP policies he had.
And for the historically challenged ( most of the DEMONRATS ARE suffering from a FACT deficiency ):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSDAP
It started out with the same lofty goals...then was perverted by a messiah...
July 25, 2008
10:50 a.m.
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ColdShot writes:
Little D...maybe in your feeble mind thats how and why America exists! Get professional help for your illness..Jay, it is so clearly over your head its pathetic! Go to France!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 25, 2008
10:52 a.m.
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arvada_mark writes:
I'm glad my initials aren't B.O.
July 25, 2008
11:07 a.m.
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farmboy writes:
Froward69 wrote, "A majority of my republican friends will be voting for him. I just hope I can land enough tickets for all of them."
Then Froward69 wrote, "more than a few republican associates of mine want tickets to resell (supposed to be free) or to simply not attend. simply to keep others from seeing Obama."
ROTFLMAO!
July 25, 2008
11:10 a.m.
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jay writes:
well coldshot, i thought you'd shrivel when cornered.
"So Jay, you can blame CNN, Pelosi, Kennedy, Murtha, Kerry and Reid for most of the deaths over the last 1.5 - 2 years."
really yiota?
you think that we should shift the blame from the conservative politicians that got us into iraq and continue to support policies that keep our soldiers in harm's way without the resources necessary for victory and a plain ride home....to the folks at CNN, Pelosi, Kennedy, Murtha, Kerry and Reid...because they "embolden the enemy".
do i have that right?
gene...did you ever figure out which 5 bush accomplishments warrant a vote for a third term under mccain?
you could actuall contribute instead of flinging poo....
July 25, 2008
11:15 a.m.
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ColdShot writes:
Yes Gene, It is easy to see the mindless psychobabble. Many have experienced complete liberal media brainwashing!
Fro?
You are living in fear? You poor thing? Maybe you should go crawl under your bed and hide, it might make you feel better! It'll be OK!
July 25, 2008
11:18 a.m.
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ColdShot writes:
No Jay, i just see that you are a mindless brainwashed liberal.
Your skull is so thick, nothing can reach that pea brain of yours!
Why waste my time with a complete fool like you?
July 25, 2008
11:49 a.m.
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trinidad writes:
Forward69
Are you sure you know what socialism means? I think you need to go look it up in the dictionary. For some reason Karl Marx comes to mind. It's "We the people, in order to form a more perfect union" not "we the people,to have our property,economic status and how we raise our children controlled by the government".
July 25, 2008
12:20 p.m.
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P_Denver writes:
Hillary would have done it right.
Too late now -- you guys are stuck with the Big O and his delusions of grandeur.
The Reps are stuck with McCain, but at least he's just delusional. He still thinks he can win.
July 25, 2008
12:32 p.m.
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Alive writes:
I think Obama's policy of Black Liberation Theology is great. Finally whitey is gonna get his!
July 25, 2008
12:38 p.m.
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trinidad writes:
Alive
Why play the race card? Nothing else to say. Don't you mean his Half Black/Half White Liberation Theology. Remember he's proud of his white midwest grandparents that raised him.
July 25, 2008
12:40 p.m.
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trinidad writes:
Big D
Did you read Alive's comment?
July 25, 2008
12:43 p.m.
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chuckyg writes:
“You have to tell us how you're going to get there," she said. "You need to give us a plan on how you're going to get there and you'll have to check back in with us a couple of times along the way."
This whole story is hilarious.
“We are going to walk, hold hands, and sing Cooombaya all the way to the soccer field”
I am still laughing
The Libs don’t even trust their own party….
Democrats are so paranoid of everyone, I am not surprised at all ..I am surprised they don’t charge for the tickets.
Backward: Scared of a senator from Illinois taking America back from the brink of collapse.
No we are scared that a no name senator like Osaywhatever without any real experience will destroy our Country and devestate our military, because for his extreme liberal beliefs.
July 25, 2008
1:06 p.m.
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Alive writes:
You mean you guys never heard about Black Liberation Theology? Obama spent 20 years in a church that is based on it.
That is a relevant fact to explore for a man that wishes to be POTUS is it not?
Sorry I got you Obamabots all embarrassed by reminding everyone of this REALITY.
Boy Barry sure changed his tune on that real quick didn't he?
It is as if one of his advisers told him he could not get elected unless he distanced himself from it.
July 25, 2008
1:38 p.m.
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chuckyg writes:
Big_D: Are you going to lead the Gay rights, same sex marriage activists.
We aren't talking policy because there is not one of Osama's that we like.
I can’t wait for the debates. The big Oblabla will fall on his face, like he has shown in the past. He will be screwed without the use of the teleprompter. “Bring on Hillary.”
July 25, 2008
1:49 p.m.
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chuckyg writes:
Littled: You wanted hear some policy, I gave you one to chew on.
July 25, 2008
1:51 p.m.
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chuckyg writes:
littled: I am sure the little o will flip flop on that one too.
July 25, 2008
2:01 p.m.
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chuckyg writes:
little d: are you saying your saviour is not for same sex marriage?
July 25, 2008
2:27 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
Big_D,
How can a diologue or discussion work when you start the questioning using McSame, etc as your talking points?
Could it be that each party has similar platforms from which the people in that party campaign from? Are you saying that 2 different people within a party would not differ in management, therefore outcomes of similar platform ideas? If so, why are we going through the primary process for each party?
Lets use Healthcare as an example. What kind of healthcare system would you like to see happen....using your own words to define your vision of HC.
Mine would be to eliminate the Employer based system and go to an individual member type model. Using this model, we can eliminate a lot of the pitfalls of the employer based system while providing quality care through increased competition using individuals rather than employer groups. Operational costs are greatly reduced using this model. I do want to maintain the usage of our pre-tax dollars for our premiums.
Using a National based system would greatly affect our GDP in a negative factor that during this financial climate would make a Recession a Good thing!
July 25, 2008
2:29 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
btw not a republican nor a democrat. I think there is more civility between a Raider fan and a Bronco fan when talking about Dems and Reps.
July 25, 2008
2:35 p.m.
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jay writes:
"How can a diologue or discussion work when you start the questioning using McSame, etc as your talking points?"
because john mccain's platform is nearly identical to bush's...thus he is the same.
calling him mcsame is accurate, colib...as we've established many times here at the rocky.
why do you find the association offensive?
was w that much of a failure?
July 25, 2008
2:39 p.m.
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ColdShot writes:
Please overwhelm us with your wit jay and give us some examples of where the 2 have "identical" positions!
July 25, 2008
2:50 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
So jay you are saying that 2 people will manage the platform and policies and have the same outcomes? This does not happen in business nor in Govt.
I was not a Kerry fan but objected to the stereotypes that were associated to him. It is a form of smack talk that does not fly for me here on line. If you want to talk smack then do it on the field, court or course. The outcomes and consequences are much different on the court than they ever can be here online. It smacks of partisan BS, which I guess for some is entertainment or anger management. It does not lead to civil discussion.
July 25, 2008
2:54 p.m.
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P_Denver writes:
To all:
I have been engaged in these blogs for a few months now, and have been facinated by the exchanges. I'm a statistical kind of guy, and this was interesting ...
Do you realize that on the "political" topics, almost 80% of all the posts are people calling each other names? The other 20% is actual posting of information, opinions, links, etc.
The percentage is a little better on the religious posts -- only 60% namecalling and 40% informational exchange.
The best are the non-political, non-religious issues (coal mining, global warming, etc.) Those tend to be about 60-40 biased on the informational/opinion side.
These are averages taken since mid-May.
I don't recall a single incidence of anyone changing their minds on anything. If that's your purpose, most of what you post is wasted. If your purpose was simply to annoy the opposition, you mostly succeed. Congratulations.
I'm no better than anyone else -- I haven't changed my mind on much, either. The possible exceptions are: since my exchanges with greenleaf, I am more prone to accept global warming. Oh, and - due to the ferocity of the pro-Mr. O crowd - I have been nudged a little toward McCain, but I'm still not convinced.
Opinions do matter, but truthfully, the more respectful ones get the most attention from folks like me who are actually reading these exchanges for information.
July 25, 2008
3:17 p.m.
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farmboy writes:
Froward69,
Here's the problem. I don't believe you.
If you had republican friends who wanted tickets to see the Obamessiah, they wouldn't need you to land some for them. Republicans, being generally a self reliant lot, are quite capable of getting them for themselves.
Furthermore, if what you claim that the Dems want to prevent the GOP from grabbing up all the tickets to make the attendance look sparse was true, then your getting tickets for them instead would likely, in the minds the ticket controllers, be seen as a way of circumventing their security measures. So unless you either lie to them, or you're lying to us about why these tickets are being tightly controlled, that just isn't going to happen.
July 25, 2008
3:48 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
P_Denver,
Thank you. Truly thank you. Great post. I too get more out of the Climate, GW and energy areas. There are a few people on both sides of the story that are very informative and interesting.
I think a lot of it on here is stress relief, entertainment, and anger management. Much easier to yell and call others names from a keyboard rather than engaging a person or group on a personal level. Even have offered to buy those that have the biggest disagreements a cup of coffee or a beer so that a more productive dialogue occurs.
Thanks again
July 25, 2008
3:57 p.m.
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P_Denver writes:
Thanks, COLiberterian
After color-coding the posts and counting them -- I shredded them and promised myself "never again."
Pragmatically, I'm sure it changes nothing, anyway.
You're probably right -- people need a save haven for venting, and this is it.
Maybe it deters some road rage.
: )
July 25, 2008
4:53 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
Big_D enjoy the weekend. While we have tried to fix the current system, we do so in the wrong areas. Taking the employer out of the equation does many good things. Lowers overhead. Many of HR duties reduced by each employer. Other operating savings include the large Brokers that do nothing but put employers and HC companies together. Big profits there. Eliminates a large portion of the Pre-Existing conditions issues with losing, changing jobs or the fact that employer changes carriers.
By taking all healthcare and putting it under 1 agency, group, etc......you are putting about 15% of GDP at risk. This is direct association, not the secondary and tertiary businesses that will take a direct hit. This is much bigger than just the initial hit on HC. If people can show me how this risk can be averted. I am up for listening, by all means. We could go into longer range negative affects of Govt run HC for days.........and maybe we will.
France and Canada satisfaction rates are not so high. In fact France(of which is often used example on this forum for positive) has had to have approx. 80% supplemental coverage as National plan is lacking for most.
Enjoyed our conversation and would be great to chat and have a dialogue.
July 25, 2008
6:15 p.m.
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Brain writes:
I thought this article was going to be about how they are making sure everyone rides the bus, walks or owns/uses a hybrid car to get to the "show"?