Sound waves, goo guns won't be used on DNC protesters
By Kevin Vaughan, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published July 23, 2008 at 3:42 p.m.
Javier Manzano © The Rocky
City Council member Judy Montero, left, Denver City Attorney David Fine and mayoral aide Katherine Archuleta discuss convention security during a meeting at the City and County Building.
Denver officials expect to spend more than $18 million on police equipment for the Democratic National Convention — but the purchases apparently won't include high-tech weapons that use sonic waves to incapacitate protesters or goo guns to immobilize them.
That information, provided by the city to the American Civil Liberties Union as part of an agreement to delay a public records lawsuit, marks one of the most detailed looks yet at the super-secret efforts to provide security for the convention, scheduled Aug. 25 to 28.
The ACLU sued Denver in May under the state's public records law after city officials refused to provide documents showing how they were spending millions of dollars on police equipment.
"This budget overview reaffirms to the public our goal to provide the most effective and comprehensive security possible while maintaining an event that is inclusive and enjoyable for all," Mayor John Hickenlooper said in a statement issued by his office.
Denver police officials have been extremely circumspect in answering questions about either their security plans for the convention or their equipment purchases.
This afternoon, for example, Deputy Chief of Operations Michael Battista spoke in only general terms about equipment purchases when he was asked about them by City Councilwoman Jeanne Faatz.
"I'm purchasing equipment that's going to protect my officers," Battista said.
Later, the city disclosed more details about its purchases, which currently are projected to come in at $18.2 million.
They will not include non-lethal weapons that use "slime" or "goo" to immobilize protesters or that use microwaves or sonic waves to induce pain or other discomfort. Some convention watchers had alleged that the city might purchase a weapon that would cause people to defecate.
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July 23, 2008
3:56 p.m.
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temurlan writes:
Noooooo!
I was looking forword to seeing the Brown Note in action. Had the popcorn ready to go and everything.
I'll bet they will use something with soundwaves anyway. When downtown starts coming apart, all bets are off. No slime or goo though, that stuff doesn't work on hippies because they are already covered in it and wouldn't notice.
July 23, 2008
3:58 p.m.
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O_TRAIN writes:
Sasquatch is going to be disappointed.
July 23, 2008
4:01 p.m.
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Scott writes:
WHAT! No crap cannon!? I was really wanting to see the crap cannon fired off as I watched the coronation of the new Messiah on T.V. :^)
Maybe instead of investing in a crap cannon the DPD is going to get Cartman, Kenny, Kyle and Stan to play the "brown note" on their Recorders ;-)
Scott
July 23, 2008
4:04 p.m.
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Houstongolfnut writes:
You are not going to believe the hardware that will be purchased with this $18,200,000 windfall from (naturally) Homeland Security Dept. A lot will have absolutely no direct correlation with security. I am thinking new phone system, exercise equipment an spa. And a lot will be security overkill. Here I am thinking a new armored personnel carrier with chrome wheels and a full race cam.
July 23, 2008
4:04 p.m.
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Scott writes:
Gene,
The slime/goo guns won't work on us democrats. It would just enhance our natural state. :-)
Scott
July 23, 2008
4:06 p.m.
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Scott writes:
Houstongolfnut,
If the "new armored personnel carrier" will be designed by Cartman, i.e. his hippie grinder, then it will be worth the cost :-)
Scott
July 23, 2008
4:09 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
After GAS-O-GATE, I don't believe a word that comes out of the Mayor's office...
ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS...
And the military has already DEMONSTRATED the use of certain crowd control pacifying weapons...
July 23, 2008
4:13 p.m.
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Scott writes:
The_Punnisher sez: "And the military has already DEMONSTRATED the use of certain crowd control pacifying weapons..."
Yup, they're called, M16 rifle, M67 fragmentation grenade, Remington 1100 semi-automatic shotgun with #2 buckshot....
Scott
July 23, 2008
4:21 p.m.
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frontpage writes:
Houstongate has got it right on. Heres to spandex shorts for the SWAT team, and an air conditioned dog hut for the K-9 unit.
Reality ain't that exciting to dream of sh.t cannons and slime guns.
The City will be mum on the issue until next years audits tell you whats been bought.
I find it hilarious everybody gets their shorts in a knot thinking like a DC comic book.
July 23, 2008
4:22 p.m.
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zippy66 writes:
Actually, the "brown note" will be coming from inside the Pepsi Center!
July 23, 2008
4:31 p.m.
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ou8one2 writes:
Why is it that the left-wing, democratic, "Peace" protesters always end up rioting; all the while complaining about the 'war mongering' Republicans?
July 23, 2008
4:33 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
Now zippy, that is a RACIST comment....;-)
Gene, the DRUDGE Report has the link to the ENQUIRER who broke the story...an interesting read...ROFLMFAO!!!!
The military was extremely unhappy that the microwave cannon wasn't lethal.....
So they threw it over to the civilian side.....
July 23, 2008
5:13 p.m.
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July 23, 2008
5:14 p.m.
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me2 writes:
Could some of you be substituting the word protester for rioter? See they are not the same.
It is in the Constitution, this peaceful petition part.
No party wants rioters.
July 23, 2008
5:56 p.m.
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kc02 writes:
C'mon! Use the goo on the little ingrates!
July 23, 2008
6:08 p.m.
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Sigmond writes:
Just give the big babies a pacifier.
July 23, 2008
6:34 p.m.
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HollyGoLightly writes:
Cheese and Rice, People! Look at yourselves! This whole political BS fighting is like a damn schoolyard. It's almost like a clique where you continue to kiss a.s.s. because you're hellbent on some stupid popularity contest in which you aren't even a contender!!! Do you honestly think the Republican politicians or the Democrat politicians give a frogs third leg about us? Let me answer that....hell no!! Neither of them do and you all are sitting there like blind sheep following along while fighting THEIR battle. I would be willing to be most of you do not care for Obama or McCain but you'll vote along your party line because god forbid the "other guy" win. Get a clue and stop your bull and stand up for yourselves. Neither party cares about us after they get what they want and that is your vote. I'm so sick of this Democrat/Republican bashing against each other as you stand up for some politician that couldn't care less about you. Vote for the person you think can do the best job and not because of some party affiliation. This isn't High School, this is our damn country we're talking about!!
July 23, 2008
6:53 p.m.
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nightdragon83 writes:
I just find it funny that whenever it comes to conventions or political gatherings, be they Democrat or Republican events, the people that consistently show up to "protest" (that's a generous term considering all the shouting, profanity, non-peacefulness and sometimes violent outbreaks that usually occur during such rallies) these events are 99.9% from the left side of the political spectrum. And then after they get out of hand (as is almost always the case... see the WTO protests, the '04 Republican convention in NYC, etc.) they always get all whiny and accuse those on the right of "stifling their freedom of speech" and "crushing their dissent." Contrast that with the super-rare protest or demonstrations from right-leaning groups... when was the last time you people saw one of them get out of hand???
For people who pride themselves as standing for "peace and love", you lefties sure are a violent and angry bunch!
July 23, 2008
6:54 p.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Doesn't it bother any of you that although you're paying for the security of this convention, Denver is refusing to disclose what you're paying for?
No matter your political affiliation, don't you think you deserve an open government?
July 23, 2008
7:09 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Hopefully the DNC will come and go peacefully; the wonderful benifit in thier wake will have been leaving Denver with a police department armed to the teeth. Hopefully the majority of the hardware has a great shelf life. Glad to see the Denver P.D. finally being able to upgrade equipment; sorry but democrats deserve a gratutious thank you. I hope it's some great stuff on thier shoppping list. Long overdue. 18 million ain't chicken scatch, hope they spend it wisely so maybe us taxpayers are a little richer here in Denver for someone else footing this particular bill. How much is going out, in paychecks and bonuses, during the DNC is what we'll have to audit. Equipment is really needed though.
July 23, 2008
7:17 p.m.
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HollyGoLightly writes:
Skye-It wasn't the article that provoked my comments. It was the following comment bashing where a few posters cannot grasp anything other than mud flinging towards the opposing political group.
July 23, 2008
7:20 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
After that one week, there'll be months of hours spent auditting where and how the dough was spent; there will be an accountting. I like them renting the Pepsi Center from one of Colorado staunchest republicans. I wonder how much he'll give to the party of his choice. It will still be a pigs ear, but at least a few silk purses should be "made" across the aisle.
July 23, 2008
7:34 p.m.
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upchuck2008 writes:
Dog gone. I was so hoping to see the DP train their OOZEES on the crowd.
July 23, 2008
7:45 p.m.
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July 23, 2008
7:52 p.m.
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bigkid writes:
gee..how good of the dirty nazis..not to use such weapons at their gestapo type convention!!
July 23, 2008
8:25 p.m.
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drkenne writes:
Is it true:
that we have become a nation of people afraid to speak up on unpopular isues?
that we have becomea nation tranquilized into a complancy that will be fatal?
that we have become a nation of sheep?
"I believe we have...drkenne"
[With apology to W. Lederer, A Nation of Sheep, 1961]
July 23, 2008
8:28 p.m.
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infidel91 writes:
I thought they disproved the so-called "brown note" on Mythbusters a while back . . .
July 23, 2008
8:45 p.m.
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titancain writes:
Take the slime and goo to the Larry Craig Memorial Bathroom at the RNC. I'm sure Larry and many other rightwing christian republicans will enjoy it.
July 23, 2008
8:50 p.m.
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dummas writes:
HollyGoLightly writes:
Cheese and Rice, People! Look at yourselves! This whole political BS fighting is like a damn schoolyard. It's almost like a clique where you continue to kiss a.s.s. because you're hellbent on some stupid popularity contest in which you aren't even a contender!!! Do you honestly think the Republican politicians or the Democrat politicians give a frogs third leg about us? Let me answer that....hell no!! Neither of them do and you all are sitting there like blind sheep following along while fighting THEIR battle. I would be willing to be most of you do not care for Obama or McCain but you'll vote along your party line because god forbid the "other guy" win. Get a clue and stop your bull and stand up for yourselves. Neither party cares about us after they get what they want and that is your vote. I'm so sick of this Democrat/Republican bashing against each other as you stand up for some politician that couldn't care less about you. Vote for the person you think can do the best job and not because of some party affiliation. This isn't High School, this is our damn country we're talking about!!
poetry
July 23, 2008
9:29 p.m.
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KenInIowa writes:
There is nothing wrong with wanting a convention to be civil. There is also nothing wrong with protest, it is a guaranteed right. However, when a protest becomes unruly, when it becomes obscene, when it gets out of hand (far different than passionate), then the people have the right to protection from them.
My right to peace and tranquility in my own community, trumps the abuse of free speech and anti-social behaviors. History has proven over and over again, the Dems are not very well behaved visitors.
July 23, 2008
9:38 p.m.
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nobozons writes:
The problem with having the democrat convention in Denver is that it will reduce the average IQ in Denver by 50 points while raising the the IQ of the rest of the country by 25 points. I am so relieved to hear that the police are not going to use non-lethal weapons to protect themselves. Guess that they will be limited to lethal weapons. It could be a great gift to the rest of the country.
July 23, 2008
9:42 p.m.
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GetReal writes:
Holierthanthou 5:13-
Since you seem to feel you are so proficient in telling conservatives what you think they believe,
Let me remind everyone of what you believe.
Specifically, your stated belief, as illistrated in your past posts, that there are space aliens living amongst us.
Nothing you ever say will be taken seriously again by any lucid thinking person.
But then, they are not your target audience.
Are they?
titancain-
Are you related to HTT?
July 24, 2008
12:12 a.m.
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cboeman writes:
only loud, ugly protest, like we had in our 1st revolution, will stop a police state and get their attention, and it's been proven again and again to be 1st amendment protected
July 24, 2008
1:41 a.m.
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Garland writes:
How did Denver get so lucky? The Messiah will be right in your town.
Wow!!
A person could quickly become a millionaire by opening a Kool-Aid stand across the street.
The other big seller will be knee pads.
July 24, 2008
2:03 a.m.
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jackkeats writes:
The worst thing you can do to politicians is ignore 'em. Who cares if they run a Republicrat or a Demican? Both these men have it figured out: say whatever it takes to get elected.
We, on the other hand, get to deal with the TSA.
July 24, 2008
6:22 a.m.
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AC7880 writes:
Need goo? Invite Bill Clinton and John Edwards.
July 24, 2008
6:48 a.m.
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brentbach writes:
Depends is sending out a semi load of their product to help out the poor protestors/rioters. Maybe they can get Hershy's to sponsor the brown cannon to keep costs in line. Why not advertise your product on the police helmets and riot shields. Goody's Headache powder, Tylenol, any product placement types want to run with this? Everyone should make a buck on this not just the Obamessiah types. How about a radar gun to provide the speeds of flying bricks and bottles for the viewing public. I'm thinking sporting event. Mile High Lunacy!
July 24, 2008
9:47 a.m.
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agreatsign writes:
How disappointing!
I was also looking forward to watching nutty liberal protesters lose control of their bodily functions.
It will still be amusing watching them get hauled off to the pokey instead of going straight home to their bongs.
July 24, 2008
9:59 a.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
This is silly. The City Council, the average citizen and particularly the aclu have no business determining what security measures, weapons or other deterents are used on protesters who cross the line into breaking the law. If they cross the line they deserve a little head-banging. After all the Re-Create '68er's are going to be there. And that outfit that wants to inhabit City Park openly advocates violence. I say forget the poop cannons and tasers. Let's get back to the time tested and proven billy club & when that fails fire 3 warning shots into their legs.
July 24, 2008
10:10 a.m.
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jay writes:
speaking of the folks that want to "inhabit" City Park. i live next to the park and am really concerned that the city is just going to expect tens of thousands of people to break camp, fold up their tents, coolers and stoves and disperse into the neighborhoods surrounding the park at the magic 10-11pm pumpkin hour about which the city has stuck to its guns.
has the city changed its position on allowing these folks to stay overnight in the park?
anyone from the city reading this thread? anyone want to anonymously comment on what progress they're making on this issue?
it would be interesting to hear some of the points they're debating.
July 24, 2008
10:24 a.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
jay - I can feel your pain. Though not a resident of the City Park area I pass through the area often. I'm trying to imagine 15-25,000 people dispersing at whatever curfew is established. I've heard of no change of position by the City & hope they don't. That many people for even a few days will totally trash the whole park.
July 24, 2008
11:25 a.m.
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treecat writes:
City Council member Judy Montero still drinking bottled water?
Thought this was a 'Green' Gathering?
Oh well, Denver's grandchildren will be paying for this for years to come...like gas pump gate, you just don't know what is going to be spent.
July 24, 2008
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sheepherder writes:
The cops won't use anything against protestors, but you can bet they will against rioters, like Duncan.
July 24, 2008
12:14 p.m.
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fluxtube writes:
Skyebeader writes:
"illegal use of city equipment and personnel was exposed"
Just wait until the illegal use of STATE equipment and personnel is exposed. Even without a crap cannon the sh!t will hit the fan.
July 24, 2008
12:20 p.m.
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davies writes:
When Obama unleashes his awesome Sonic Wave of Inspirational Oratory, it will trigger all of the Democrats' goo guns to spontaneously erupt en masse, causing a great noisy, gooey cataclysm. Oh the humanity!
July 24, 2008
12:20 p.m.
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18Zwife writes:
Peace protester. Talk about an oxymoron.
If you’re a peace protestor, are you for peace or against it? IMO: Their actions dictate they’re against it.
July 24, 2008
12:36 p.m.
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SBL99 writes:
Nobody has mentioned anything about the toilet tissue shortage that will occur if the dogs unlease their sh*t cannons; let alone the air freshener that will be neeeded. I'm bringing a gas masks?
Come on, preparation is everything!
July 24, 2008
12:43 p.m.
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protea32 writes:
The best thing to do with protestors is...nothing. Ignore them. They are coming for the conflict with the police and resulting media coverage. Deny them. Put the whole Denver P.D. on administrative leave for the week. Can't very well 'Recreate '68' (or even the Seattle WTO) if the Denver (Chicago) cops don't play their scripted part. The protestors won't break anything unless there are cops around to overreact. Half of the protestors will get bored and leave after day one,(feeling cheated, of course) the media will ignore them, because protestors by themselves are NO story (got to have broken heads to make it interesting).
July 24, 2008
12:50 p.m.
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Scott writes:
SBL99,
Won't gas masks get you arrested (along with padlocks, chains, etc) during the crowning of The Messiah? :-)
Actually, the DNC should have reserved the National Western Stockyards for the crowning of The Messiah. The National Western has the equipment to deal with the monumental amounts of B.S. :-)
Scott
July 24, 2008
12:54 p.m.
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LoonsToTheLeftOfMe writes:
I got a feeling HollyGoLightly is going to be one of those rioter/protesters getting slimed.
July 24, 2008
1:03 p.m.
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SBL99 writes:
Robin: Holy Crap, Batman! Denver's breaking out the 'Cannon of Defecation', we'd better stay away! With no underwear under these black tights, and the smell of crazy hippie protesters crapping everywhere, that'd be really uncool!
Batman: Don't worry Robin, we'll protect ourselves with these super duper absorbant diapers that Alfred got from NASA; guaranteed to protect us on that long road trip back to the bat cave! And they're equipped with built in 'new car smell' air freshners!
July 24, 2008
1:09 p.m.
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Ashloch writes:
OMG! The HILARITY! Who needs the Comedy Channel when you have priceless banter like this!?
Q:Hey did you hear the one about hiding money from a hippie?
A:Hide it under a bar of soap!
July 24, 2008
1:29 p.m.
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xerxes7997 writes:
AWW no goo guns? Oh well...it's just as amusing to watch some trust-fund hippie get his teeth knocked out with a billy club as it is to watch them poo their dungarees. LMAO honestly if you want to see that, just head up to Pearl Street and find some hippie deep in a drug induced stupor. I was at the cheesecake factory last week and some hippie poo'd right in front of the main entrance on sunday afternoon. They definitely have a way about them don't they?
July 24, 2008
2:18 p.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
OK, Mr. and Ms. Editor, how's this one? After all, I'm getting lots of pleasantries from conservative opponents to the 1st Amendment. So for the curious...
::with edits::
Evidently, conservatives don't believe in the 1st Amendment. That thing about free speech really gives them fits.
Conservatives have never been cool with the whole idea of human rights. They didn't want to give up slavery, even demanding that each one of their slaves count for 3/5 of a vote without actually letting them vote. It took a Civil War to straighten them out on that one.
They love foisting their crackpot religion on us. They say America is a "Christian" nation when they themselves provide all the proof we need to show that it's anything but. Then they get mad when we question their worship of Bush, crackpot notions about Jesus, and love for bloodshed and bombing so long as it doesn't happen to them as they sit bravely in their Lazyboy chairs egging on another generation of cannon fodder.
Just wait until the troops come home messed up. You think those nuclear workers have trouble getting help? Read history and look around.
Conservatives spend government money like drunken sailors. At least the drunken sailor was spending his own money. But they don't do anything good with it. They give it to war-profiteering billionaires, hire mercenaries, and of course, fatten their offshore accounts with the inevitable kickbacks from all that stuff. No wonder the US government is borrowing billions and selling us out to China, a potential adversary and most certain international competitor.
But ask a conservative to spend a little money on something that actually provides some benefit and value to the American public? Oh, NOOOO! They react like sack full of tomcats rolling around in a bonfire.
I've met some lowlifes in my life... bums, drunks, backhoes, drug addicts, and the whole gamut. But nobody beats a conservative when it come to being a hypocritical lowlife, nobody.
That's why conservatives hate the 1st Amendment. It let's us tell the truth about them.
PS. I hope you like this one :-). It's just like the other only more kid-friendly.
July 24, 2008
2:21 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
protea32 is right. If ignored, most of the protesters will disappear. It would be the best scenario for upcoming times. The problem is there is a sizeable group that advocates violence.
July 24, 2008
2:25 p.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
The only person who's advocated violence at the Democratic National Convention so far has been Rush Limbaugh.
July 24, 2008
2:32 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Holier - you need to read news articles. rush limbaugh is an obstreperous buffoon who does not really deal in political commentary, he's more like a bad comedian, much like al franken.
July 24, 2008
2:32 p.m.
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Mr_Hyde writes:
I dont care if they're democrat, republican, black, wite, green, or yellow, I say that if you can make them crap themselves with a crap cannon you do it! You just cant buy comedy like that.....where do I get a crap cannon? Nobody would be safe.
July 24, 2008
2:41 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Do we call you dr. jekyll when you obtain a crap cannon?
July 24, 2008
2:46 p.m.
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Mr_Hyde writes:
I think most of the time people would call me "Look out hes got a.........oh MAN!!!!!"
July 24, 2008
2:52 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Yeah, the image is just too funny!
July 24, 2008
3 p.m.
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davies writes:
HolierTT: Gosh, you're really proud of that one, aren't you? I just want you to know that I didn't suggest removal of your simplistic, "conservatives are bad" tripe.
When you are unable to demonstrate that you understand another perspective, it just shows your limitations. So pile it on: "All conservatives are all bad, all the time". Very astute.
July 24, 2008
3:01 p.m.
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montanamike writes:
Holierthanthou ?
The name is appropriate. What's with the conservative bashing?
It's a DNC party, protested by DNC radicals, in a Dem leaning city run by a Democrat mayor and city council. Everywhere you look in the equation there's dems suing dems over trying to deny dems 1st amendment rights to protest dems because, ... etc.
Conservatives have nothing to do with it ... unless you're proposing that Re-Create '68 members listen to <gasp> Rush Limbaugh !!
I don't care who you are, the crap cannon is a hoot ! And it might make the convention smell better too. Win-win all around. Now c'mon and crack a smile and do a big brown-goo group hug !!
July 24, 2008
3:01 p.m.
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Mr_Hyde writes:
Yeah it is. I would use that thing everywhere I went.....long lines for movies would no longer be a problem......unruly subordinates: a thing of the past! The only thing it woldn't really help me control is my 2 year old.
July 24, 2008
9 p.m.
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halc3 writes:
I, for one, having suffered with chronic constipation for the past
seven years, sadly lament the city's decision not to use the "crap cannon". I had high hopes on finally exhausting months of painful backup by being one of the first recipients of the treatment. Well, back to Medicare, colonics, Metamucil and Ex-Lax. Thanks for nothing, Hickenlooper and DNC.
July 25, 2008
3:27 a.m.
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theairdog writes:
Wouldn't using a weapon that causes protestors to defecate then put the protestors in violation of the new Denver law prohibiting possesion of chains and "feces bombs" by the protestors?
Hmmmmmmmm.
:-)
July 25, 2008
3:31 a.m.
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theairdog writes:
Your reasoning is impeccable Mymilehi.
How do Police employ TASERs without shocking themselves? How do they shoot criminals without shooting themselves? How do they employ Pepper Spray without spraying themselves? ( Actually, that does happen sometimes).
These devices must all be myths, too, then.
July 25, 2008
7:17 a.m.
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LuvAmerica writes:
"HolierTT: Gosh, you're really proud of that one, aren't you? I just want you to know that I didn't suggest removal of your simplistic, "conservatives are bad" tripe."
Excellent rebuttal davies, utilizing the best of conservative polemic techniques, the "I've called it stupid therefore it is stupid" argument. A real time saver!
I guess if you understood what Holier was saying, you'd understand what Holier is saying!
July 25, 2008
7:59 a.m.
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davies writes:
Help me out then LuvAm; would you kindly give me a concise summary of what Holier was saying?