Residents worry about missing sex offenders

By Daniel J. Chacon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published July 18, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.

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The Salvation Army Crossroads Shelter in Globeville is listed as the home for nearly 100 registered sex offenders. But Pauline Hirsh, president of the Globeville Civic Association No. 1, said, "We have a whole bunch that are supposed to be registered there." It is not clear where many are.

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July 18, 2008

5:32 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

If only the judicial and criminal justice system would treat this crime as seriously as society's concerns; until then, get used to the system letting these sex offenders repeatedly prey upon our children. The supreme court even sided with the sex offender, over the people in several states that wanted the death penalty for those who do this unspeakable crime on children under 12, upon thier 2nd conviction, with the collaboration of DNA evidence. Thank God they left the good people keep thier guns. Both the cop and the comvict used to find common ground on the punishment for these lowlifes; now the system protects them from us convicts while the cop keeps on arrestting them repeatedly for this incurable crime. The hacks used to turn thier back on them and we would put steel in them. Today, the system coddles them with shrinks and liberal laws that protect them. I am for the old system, if society wants them to be free, to do this crime on thier children over and over as they are never cured, so be it. I'd rather be a stand up convict, than a member of a society that coddles and keeps allowing these animals to live free to repeat this unforgivable crime. If we as convicts have no use for them, if the cop has no respect for them, why do you as a society protect them so they can hunt again? How many children are going to fall victim to a repeat sex offender this year? A criminal can have my money, take my possesions, sell drugs, drive drunk, even shoot me dead; but as a father of five, grandfather of 4, a stand up, in your face convict, leave the children alone. I will lay my life down for a kid, I will kill for kids safety from one of these predators. Christ, you offered them death with a millstone, I can't find the millstone today, so steel will have to do Lord. Ain't no cop ever going to disagree, after seeing thier distruction first hand, with the convict's punishment of those that sexually assault little children. It's the convicts one shinning moment before the glory of God, regardless of what my priest has to say about it. On His last day on the cross, He took a thief to glory, not a sex offender.
July 18, 2008

6:37 a.m.

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yeastyc writes:

Not downgrading this, but it would be interesting to see how many of these offenders actually have to register because of actual sex crimes and not something like public urination (which is a crime in which you are required to register). How do you keep track of homeless people other than in jail? I don't think that one is so easily taken care of, they are downplaying this a lot.
July 18, 2008

7:35 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

No problem, yeastyc, CBI and the offender's list publish thier crime. 90% are for doing children or minors, most offenders are well over the age of twenty. This urination in public excuse is getting old. Even then, someone had to see the genitals publicly in order for the charge. Anyway, are you saying it's okay to expose yourself to other when relieving yourself in public? Convienent excuse wouldn't you say? But seriously, 90% on the list are crimes against children. Pee in front of my kid, it's a fight either way pal. Look at the list and see for yourself, tell me how many you feel deserve to be there. Legalize peeing in public in front of others if you don't like the law, but don't justify it till you do; and it'll still be a fight if you did it in front of someone for your own pleasure pal.
July 18, 2008

7:38 a.m.

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lysanderspooner writes:

This is in response to Louis's comments.
I would hate to paint all convicts with the broad brush you paint all registered sex offenders, especially since I too am an ex-con. But your stated "facts" regarding both sex offenders and our (convicts) attitudes toward them are just plain wrong. I celled with one and he was a stand-up guy who had my back, watched out for me and never snitched or stole my stuff. And taught a lot of the guys in the unit to read.

The USDOJ stats on sex offender recidivism punches huge holes in your assumptions that child molesters cannot be cured and commit these heinous crimes over and over. Here's a good link of a study commissioned by the DOJ: http://www.csom.org/pubs/mythsfacts.html

And I must speak to your misquote of Jesus. Matthew 8:13 says (paraphrased) that unless a person who is born again becomes like a little child, that is, is trusting and humbled, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. He further says that if anyone harms (offends) a newly converted Believer, it is better that they be drowned.
Jesus did not say that one who harms a child should be punished to any greater degree than any other criminal. Those who twist the Word of God to fit into their agenda should be forced to make use of that millstone, in my opinion!

Look, I broke the law and served my time. (Life with) I paid my debt to society, but society should punish me severely were I to harm another human being based on my belief of what he might have done. This is the job of the police and the courts.

I think the cops need to watch you very carefully. You must have been turned out in prison and now you're talkin' like a tough guy when you're really just somebody's boy.
July 18, 2008

7:45 a.m.

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vudumom writes:

I'd like to see what the original charges are. Most of the time the charges are plea bargained down so the idiot doesn't spend the time he/she should in prison. It seems like now a days every sex crime is plea bargained down and the scumbag gets off light.
The way society deals with sex crimes and pats themselves on the back for a job well done is having a sex offender list.
Until the sentences are taken out of judges hands and mandatory minimum sentences are made law by our chickens*it legislature and our weak azz politicians our children will never be safe.
Colorado has over 12,000 registered sex offenders. Most of them should be in jail, not out in our neighborhoods.
If you catch a sex offender, especially on a child it is something that cannot be changed. You can't Dr. it away, you can't take a pill and be cured, can't even put them in prison and let them out, you can't castrate them. There is NO rehabilitation!
Sexual abuse and rape of a child should be treated like murder. If you murder someone you have taken a life, something that cannot be brought back.
The same happens when you sexually abuse a child, they lose their soul forever and nothing we do ever brings it back.
July 18, 2008

7:47 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Forward69, age disparity is always considered; or are you justifyiong old geezers my age dating juveniles? It is understandable when both are juveniles; but there is no reason for an adult over 18 to be having sex with a juvenile. Yes, some of us aren't as liberal and protect juvuniles. Go look at the list, then tell us what crime predominates the list, bet it's adults doing juveniles. Show up in the joint and tell the fellas how a middle age man or a man/woman in thier twenties should be allowed sex with a juvenile under 18. What age limit would you like to impose if not 18? If you can not construct a legal contract with a juvenile under 18 without parential consent, what makes you think you can construct a sexual contract without parential consent? There is a reason society sets an age limit.
July 18, 2008

7:56 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

In Raiford, they were the lowest pecking order; most were turned out. If I beat a sex offender, put my cigarettes out in his face, nobody but his war daddy cared. I don't know where you did time, mine was down south. Rape a kid you were a piece of ****. However some states like Colorado have daycare centers and not prisons. The system has changed and now protects them. I was in Raiford 20 years ago. Ted Bundy was a punk in the East Unit that none of us could touch; bust glass in his food he'd cry like a baby. When he did the little Lake City girl, a lot of the hacks could care less, it was society that protected him, not us. Can't speak for where you did time, but we got on 'em. They were lower than the corrupt cop. Since you hung out with them, they had your back, what does that say about you?
July 18, 2008

8:01 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Last thing, then I have to go; they always ran for God's house when they showed up at "The Rock" (Raiford was called the "Little Rock" as Alcatraz was "The Rock"). Talk about a hypocrite. Lecture me on Jesus while doing time for raping a kid. They were your celli pal, not mine or the men I hung out with. But hey, maybe you liked thier company...
July 18, 2008

8:07 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Oh, get the red letter edition of the Bible where Chist's actual words are in red. I believe He said "Better a millstone be tied around thier neck...". Quote your Bible to defend some other baby raper punk; ain't got time for beavers with a kickstand like you pal.
July 18, 2008

8:10 a.m.

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vudumom writes:

LOUIE, I think part of his name tells us everything we need to know, spooner.
July 18, 2008

8:11 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Write up here and defend your cellis, it should truly support my arguement amongst those of us who truly find it unforgivable. I apoligize to the good people for my display of anger. I never had any use for those who rape children or stick up for them, especially with a Bible. My humble apology to the good people.
July 18, 2008

9:40 a.m.

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Who_Me writes:

I love righteous convicts. "My crime was less bad than your crime, so I get to pass judgment on you." Or, "I found Christ while in prison, but I'm still going to kick your butt because my version of Christianity doesn't include you." lysanderspooner has it right.

Someone who commits armed robbery, home invasion, crime against a person not involving a sex offense - are you so stupid that you fail to see how that/your crime will affect that person the rest of his or her life, in terms of always having some fear related to personal safety? Or, drug dealer who thinks there is no impact on children, using drugs or not. If the kid uses drugs, pat yourself on the back for screwing up the user, probably for life. What? You didn't sell to kids, only to adults? Oh, that is soooo much better. You only contributed to having a parent incarcerated. Good thing that having a parent in prison has no direct impact on a child's life.

Take your so-called stand-up con, self-righteous "I'm a less evil offender" attitude and sell it to the other morons like you. You don't have to associate with sex offenders, but what gives you the right to pass your own sense of warped justice upon anyone else?
July 18, 2008

11:06 a.m.

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GILPINMAN writes:

I TOO WOULD BE (A SEX OFENDER) LIKE MOST OF US IF THE LAWS WERE THE WAY THEY ARE NOW WHEN WE WERE KIDS BUT WE NEVER HURT ANYONE JUST OFFENDED SOME PEOPLE WITH OUR BARE A##. BUT I DO BELIVE A BULLET IS CHEAPER THAN PRISON AND LOTS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE DESERVE A BULLET. IF SOME ONE WERE TO EVER TOUCH MY KIDS THEY GET THE BULLET NOT A BED AND FOOD.
July 18, 2008

11:54 a.m.

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Who_Me writes:

See, thing is that people who can't write well should be executed as well. That's my standard. The point is: where do you draw the line? Kill a child molester, kill a wife beater, kill a drug dealer who sold drugs to kids or had drugs impact the child's life, kill thieves, heck, kill everyone who commits a crime. If I were to write a book about being an SO in prison, and some self-righteous stand-up con beat my a**ss, I believe the story would turn out that some day, some time in the future, and it may be years and years down the road, I would get revenge. The plot line could be that the "good" con is riding his Harley (with loud pipes, of course) and the protagonist doesn't see the biker. Accidents do happen, right? Cigarette in the face? Oops, how did that house catch on fire? It would be an interesting book.
July 18, 2008

12:32 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

Who_Me great book, I think you've given up some great ideas for people to consider should the SO child rapist move into the neighborhood; thanx for pointing out the options to those whose kids might be endangered be the incurable SO!
July 18, 2008

2 p.m.

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Who_Me writes:

This may be hard to believe, but I am with you about not having the true threat/incurable SOs being out and about. The fact remains, however, that the majority of those crimes are committed by friends, neighbors, teachers and family members. Not everyone who goes to prison is the incurable scum of the earth. And not everyone who is a pedophile goes to prison when caught. Look at the news stories about sex offenses - someone who used/distributed child porn in one state can get 15 years, or nothing at all (discounting probation, jail, work release, etc.). Many offenders come from dysfunctional backgrounds, and many were abused themselves. When they in turn act out, it is often sex-related, but many choose alcohol or drugs. I'm not defending or justifying what they did as adults, but it is understandable how patterns of abuse spread across generations.

Let's personalize this a bit: what if your kid were to do something like this? You want him to be terrorized, beaten, and turned out if sent to prison? Please be clear in your response: yes, I want someone to sexually violate my son, or no, I do not want some prison yard thug meting out his own form of justice.

In any event, by the time someone is in prison, society, in the form of a judge's sentence, has passed judgment and determined what the punishment should be. How is it ever right or correct to impose some prison-yard Neanderthal-like punishment/beating on anyone? What makes your sh** stink less?
July 18, 2008

6:26 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

I'll respond one more time; I'll keep it civil and not personal. Many do not believe pedophiles can be rehabilitated. Many states are responding to the peoples desire for harsher penalties. Several states sought to put them to death. My crimes against society can never be justified, period. My debt to society I will always owe. My violent childhood is a lame crutch for me to use to justify harming children. I grew up extremely violent as a child, I refuse to honor any excuse for harming anyone much less a child. In prison, it's a whole different world. Gaurds have children, convicts have children, and here comes a man, who all he can do is hurt children. Yes, I could care less. To answer your personal question, I would never allow my son back home around my children and grandchildren. If he rapes a kid, he is dead to me that day forward; I could care less and I never care to see him again. Every day, I owe a debt to society for my crimes, twenty years later, my civil rights restored, I still owe. So, I reach out to kids who may have decided to follow in my footsteps. I try to make a difference. A judge once ordered me to do just that in exchange for relief from a traffic fine years ago. He was amazed not only at my criminal past and lack of education, (the bad spelling you complain about), but was even more amazed at how much I had accomplished in the world of business. I was taken in by an extremely wealthy man, today I watch over not only his children, but his grandchildren as well. I have already wore one bullet for the cause. I care nothing for the child rapist or molester. I don't support the death penalty, except for this animal. I believe it was a 5 to 4 Supreme Court decision not to execute them; close, but no cigar as far as I'm concerned. Who_Me, we don't see eye to eye on this, fine. Just because you grow up in a bad world as a kid, it's not an excuse for anyone but the bleeding heart. You have your sympathy, I'll have my justice when he comes to prison. You free him to repeat his crime, we'll make sure he pays for it. Same justice he gave the child. Little Lori Poland was brutalized and left to die in an outhouse bottom in human feces by Thiret who did ten years for this crime; he's free now because of something else you and I DO AGREE ON, sentence disparity. I think killing him would be justice for what he did. That little girl, God bless her someone heard her crys in that remote outhouse. Supreme court was close, still no cigar; one vote away...Last year they put me on a jury in a felony trial; I tried to get out, threw my record at them everything. Prosecutor would not let me go. I am no saint, but for some reason the very people who once strapped me to beds, put me in dark holes months at a time, beat me when it suited them, have for some unexplainable reason forgave me and found honor in me. Maybe it's because I keep paying for what I owe. It's called being responsible for your own actions without excuses.
July 18, 2008

6:34 p.m.

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LOUIE writes:

I am through with this subject; I spent too much time on it and I allowed it to get the better of me. Sorry, it's your soapbox, I'm outta' here bad grammar, mispellings, and perhaps even my lack of sanity, this is a real bad subject for me to argue.
July 18, 2008

7 p.m.

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happymike44 writes:

I believe that all pedophiles need to be locked up for life.
No chance to reoffend ever,no thought to anyone.
Just removed from society to never harm another person.
I think this is the best approach to the problem.
If having a crumm childhood is a reason to commit a crime.
Then answer about all the kids who are beaten and abused by their families.
Why then have they grown up to lead productive lives.
These monsters are are just that.
They either need to be imprisoned,castrated or put to death.
It is the only way to stop this in it's track.
July 18, 2008

8:10 p.m.

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lysanderspooner writes:

Yeah, Louie, I'm sorry for goin' off on you. It's a sore subject indeed.
I told you the guy I celled with (Brushy Mountain) was a SO, but you inferred that he was a baby raper. He raped an adult at gunpoint. She was a "crack wħơřę" and he felt (even after being locked up and serving his 35 years) justified.

I found Jesus long before killing a man and going to prison for it. I did my time and am on parole for life. I was violent once but years inside, losing everything and everyone who ever mattered to me, and age, have mellowed me.
I'm sorry for you not understanding what Jesus was saying, but the fact remains, your interpretation is incorrect. I pray your eyes will be opened gently.

Lysander Spooner was a 19th century lawyer, abolitionist,
entrepreneur, legal theorist and political radical.
Some of his writing is here: http://www.lysanderspooner.org/bib_ne...

PS, my wife likes to spoon. ;-)
July 19, 2008

12:27 p.m.

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hrw_org writes:

Louie...so he took a "thief to glory"...

His father; what was his name?...oh yeah, "GOD"...what are we going to do about him, he allegedly impregnated Christ's mother when she was only 14...

Makes GOD a sex offender in these parts!
July 20, 2008

1:36 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

No, hwr_org, it just means God hails from New Hampshire were males can marry at 14 to females at 13 years of age with special circumstances. Couldn't you tell by the accent?

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Residents worry about missing sex offenders

By Daniel J. Chacon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published July 18, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.

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