City trots out I-25 closure for Obama at Invesco
Mayor, planners secure in plans to reroute traffic
By Daniel J. Chacon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact), Kevin Flynn, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published July 16, 2008 at 11:05 a.m.
Photo by George Kochaniec Jr.
The city of Denver announced Wednesday that Speer Boulevard (foreground) and Auraria Parkway will be two of the biggest closures during the Democratic National Convention.
A stretch of the busiest highway in the Rocky Mountain West, Interstate 25 past Invesco Field, will be closed to traffic the evening that Barack Obama accepts the Democratic presidential nomination at the stadium next month.
Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper said Wednesday that drivers should expect I-25 to close the evening of Aug. 28, when the Democratic National Convention events move from Pepsi Center to Invesco Field.
"Yes, of course," the mayor said when asked whether it would be fair to say I-25 would shut down.
At Pepsi Center, site of the first three days of the convention, the Secret Service is ordering the closure of Auraria Parkway, 370 feet south, and Speer Boulevard, 620 feet east of the arena.
Those two streets together handle about 77,000 vehicles a day.
In addition, RTD's light-rail service to Pepsi Center and Union Station will be suspended Aug. 25-27, affecting more than 5,500 daily riders.
Bill Vidal, Denver's public works manager, said I-25 would remain open at least for morning and afternoon rush hour on Aug. 28, the convention's final day, even if it closes for Obama's evening speech.
"That's what we're working on," Vidal said of rush hour availability.
At its closest point, I-25 comes within 250 feet of Invesco's facade.
Mayoral aide Katherine Archuleta said the timing of Obama's speech is key to keeping I-25 open for at least part of rush hour.
"Because the acceptance speech is later in the evening, that's why we're working with Secret Service, CDOT and (Federal Highway Administration) to keep that open," she said.
The city on Wednesday announced the list of closures and restrictions on streets and light rail for the first part of the week at Pepsi Center. It includes partial closures of Speer Boulevard and Colfax Avenue for marches and parades.
Business groups pleased
RTD's C and E Line light-rail service on the spur to Union Station would stop at the Invesco Field Station, where security would force passengers to get off the trains.
Vidal said the trains would continue to Pepsi Center, the next station, but only after security sweeps them to make sure only credentialed convention attendees remain on board.
"You can stay on the train if you're a delegate," Vidal said. "We're only taking the people off who don't have the credentials to go on the train."
Other passengers headed downtown already should have transferred at the Osage or Broadway stations to D, F or H Line trains.
The plan was welcomed by the Downtown Denver Partnership, a business and civic group, as minimally disruptive to workers, employers, residents and retailers. Early fears were that travel might be more severely restricted.
"This plan is relatively low-impact on business as usual for downtown, given an event of this size and significance," said Tami Door, president of the partnership. "We're really pleased. We have a lot of access to downtown. From day one, city leadership has said they would do everything they could to make sure downtown is open for business, and this shows they were committed to that."
But as for the convention's final day, Hickenlooper cautioned that complete road and transit restrictions aren't ready to be announced because the decision to move to Invesco didn't come until last week.
Commuters go elsewhere
I-25 carries its heaviest traffic in the stretch past Invesco Field. The 3.4 miles between the Interstate 70 interchange to the north and Colfax Avenue to the south saw average daily traffic in 2007 of more than a quarter million vehicles at the Park Avenue overpass.
That's the highest traffic count in Colorado.
Discarded suggestions for securing I-25 included banning all truck traffic but allowing cars, or posting police along the shoulders near the stadium to prevent any vehicles from stopping.
Still, the impact of closing the interstate for several hours would be similar to recent full closures that construction crews needed to hang girders on the 16th Street pedestrian bridge and T-REX overnight closures of a few years ago.
The typical detour for an I-25 closure in downtown would take traffic west on I-70 or Sixth Avenue to Federal Boulevard, a state highway. But there could be traffic restrictions on Federal, which passes within 880 feet of the stadium.
The closure of Speer takes away the busiest commuter route into downtown from I-25 on the north. Park Avenue, 20th Street and Colfax all carry between 20,000 and 25,000 vehicles a day, half of Speer's 48,000. Rerouted drivers would add to those streets.
Similarly, the light-rail closure would force an average 5,539 C and E Line riders who use Union Station or Pepsi Center onto trains at stations along California and Stout streets.
The colleges on the Auraria campus, next to Pepsi Center, will be closed convention week, taking an estimated 40,000 people in 20,000 cars off the road.
Hickenlooper's staff went door-to-door Wednesday in the area east of Speer Boulevard to alert residents and business operators about the closures.
flynnk@RockyMountainNews.com or 303-954-5247
Alternative routes
Denver is recommending that motorists use the following streets to get downtown during the Democratic National Convention because of road closures:
* East and Northeast: Use Martin Luther King Blvd., 18th Avenue, 13th Avenue or 8th Avenue
* South and southeast: Use Downing, Clarkson or Logan. Traffic headed south or southeast may be slightly backed up when leaving downtown, but it should be similar to any normal weekday along Kalamath, Broadway, Grant, Washington and Corona/Downing past Colfax
* West and southwest: Use 6th Avenue or northbound Interstate 25 to 20th Street. Motorists driving west and southwest from downtown can expect minimal delays along Arapahoe, Champa, Glenarm and Colfax.
* Northwest: Use I-25 to Park Avenue West or 20th Street. Motorists headed northwest from downtown should use the same streets.
Community outreach
Denver is planning a series of meetings to keep the community informed about Democratic National Convention preparations and how to get involved.
* Lower Downtown: 6 to 8 p.m. July 23, Downtown Aquarium, 700 Water St.
* Central Denver: noon to 2 p.m. July 26, Curious Theatre, 1080 Acoma St.
* Southeast Denver: noon to 2 p.m. July 28, Temple Sinai, 3509 S. Glencoe St.
* Southwest Denver: 5:30 to 7:30 p.m. July 29, Southwest Improvement Council, 1000 S. Lowell Blvd.
* Northwest Denver: 5:30 to 7:30 p.m. July 30, North High School, 2960 N. Speer Blvd.
* Northeast Denver: 5:30 to 7:30 p.m. Aug. 6, Montview Presbyterian Church, 1980 Dahlia St.
July 16, 2008
11:37 a.m.
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mtb writes:
It seems odd that they are closing the light rail at the Pepsi Center. Wouldn't they want to promote this alternative transportation?
July 16, 2008
11:43 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
You know NYC was able to keep their rail lines open during the 2004 Convention, why can't Denver? This is turning out to be a joke!
July 16, 2008
11:55 a.m.
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SteveFesch writes:
Unbelievable! They are promoting this as a "Green" event and they are axing mass transit. Why are we spending 8 billion on light rail if we can't even use it for major events it was supposedly built for?
I also heard that there will be no parking at Invesco for Obamas speech. So that means that 50,000 thousand people will have to be BUSED over to the event.
We should be spending the FastTracks dollars on an improved bus system, Bus HOV lanes, and energy efficient buses instead of outdated technology (diesel trains) that can't even be used for events like the DNC.
I can't even keep up with all the RTDisaster news these days.
July 16, 2008
12:06 p.m.
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danirobi writes:
Remember Yiota, it's do as I say, not as I do...
July 16, 2008
12:08 p.m.
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glowrock writes:
These reactions are completely insane! RTD is only closing a total of two stations along the line going to Union Station, that's all. The stop at Mile High Stadium will still be open, as will all stops in the downtown area. Only the Pepsi Center/Elitch Gardens and Union Station stops will be affected.
Martial Law? I think not. Axing mass transit? Nope! What in the ever loving he*l is going on with these comments?
A joke? Denver's mayor ain't too bright? I swear, the comments here remind me of a grade-school playground sometimes!
There has to be security surrounding the DNC. I don't think it's a huge deal to have Auraria and Speer closed off for some periods, as long as rush hours aren't affected. And the hours given specifically state that the roads will be open during rush hours.
July 16, 2008
12:08 p.m.
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rj1967 writes:
I got an idea - put yellow tape all around downtown and pay all downtown area workers to go on vacation.
July 16, 2008
12:23 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Note to all hating people on the right: The eyes of the world will be in Denver Colorado. If the GOP was here the same cautions would be taken. It would be shame and if something bad were to happen here in my state.
July 16, 2008
12:26 p.m.
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danirobi writes:
glowrock-What about all the students that go to school on the Auraria campus? With that station closed I guess that means they'll have to pay for parking on campus, which is expensive and contribute to global warming, something the DNC is against. Again, NYC in 2004 didn't shout down the city with the RNC Convention was going on.
July 16, 2008
12:26 p.m.
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YourNeilness writes:
These Dem-bashers just want take any opportunity to exaggerate the plan and then criticize the Mayor for their exaggeration. It makes sense to close these streets with the protest marches going on all day during the convention.
The only one that doesn't make sense to me is the closing of the Pepsi Center station. I'd like to know why they think that is necessary, since it's the obvious stop to get off at for anybody wanting to take the light rail to the convention.
July 16, 2008
12:33 p.m.
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303Centennial writes:
Just disrupting productivity, business, and our daily lives. For what?? We are headed out of town and avoiding all the insanity and the guests of the city who I am sure know how to conduct themselves with civil order and with the true American pride.
July 16, 2008
12:34 p.m.
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YourNeilness writes:
Danirobi writes: “NYC in 2004 didn't shout down the city with the RNC Convention was going on.”
This is exactly what I’m talking about regarding exaggeration and then criticizing the Mayor for their exaggeration. It’s classic republican debate tactics. The Mayor is not shutting down the city, Danirobi. He’s closing two streets around the affected area to help maintain security.
PS – He’s also not shouting down the city, and it would be “when” the RNC Convention was going on, not “with”. Looks like you need some help with the English language, I’m happy to help. You’re welcome. By the way, are you a documented or undocumented alien?
July 16, 2008
12:35 p.m.
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denvergirl80205 writes:
The C line train will not be running as it goes directly next to the Pepsi Center. Secret Service has deemed trains on that line a potential threat to the delegates and representatives in the Pepsi Center.
Auraria Campus is closed that week. School begins the week before, is out that week, and picks up again the week after the convention.
And as to the comments about what other cities did during their conventions - it is not always the city making all decisions. When the convention was in Boston, the Secret Service shut down I-93 as it went right next to the Fleet Center (where the convention was).
July 16, 2008
12:37 p.m.
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pwern writes:
Nobody knows how this will play out since the 50,000+ protesters who say they're going to show up aren't the type of people who actually make reservations six months in advance. But I predict that if anywhere near that many 'undesirables' show up in Denver, that the entire downtown will need to be closed. It's just simply too big a security risk to have roaming bands of protesters that the police won't be able to control.
Look at Seattle back in 1999 during the WTO meetings there - the city attempted to be accomodative to all the fruitloops that showed up there to protest, and the whole place came totally unglued. Fires, vandalism, rioting - Denver will have no choice but to declare martial law for the downtown if that situation looks like it's going to turn into a Seattle repeat.
July 16, 2008
12:37 p.m.
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Scott writes:
danirobi,
Ah, but the Auraria campus is going to suspend classes during BO's coronation. Yes, EVERYONE in the Denver Metro area MUST bow the the new king. All hail the new king!
BTW YourNeilness, I'm a democrat! Also, regarding your comment about the Pepsi light rail station. How many of these hypocrites, err I mean delegates, do you think will lower themselves to ride mass transit, thereby risking the chance of having to rub elbows with us mere unwashed voters?
Scott
July 16, 2008
12:38 p.m.
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glowrock writes:
Even IF Auraria Campus was in session during that time, the LRT stations at Colfax/Auraria AND the Auraria West campus would still be open. Therefore, danirobi is either mistaken or a liar.
July 16, 2008
12:40 p.m.
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SteveFesch writes:
Take a look at the July Transit Oriented Development plans just released by RTD. http://www.rtd-fastracks.com/media/up...
It is the Trasit Oriented Development deals that is RTDs top concern.
Fast Tracks was sold to us voters at $4 billion dollars. It's since doubled and RTDevelopments focus is on cutting development deals to line their pockets. They don't care about moving people around the city. It's all about cash. In the meantime RTD will be seeking more funding from ALL OF YOU via ANOTHER tax increase.
So bus service is being cut, ridership is up yet fares are being increased, light rail amenities scrapped, eminent domain abuse is running rampant, RTD admin are still getting bonuses, RTD board of directors are getting raises, and the biggest event to hit Denver in decades which is supposed to be a "green event" is shutting down key light rail stops?
Isn't light rail supposed to be more efficient? When is the last time you read about RTD needing another billion or two to keep the bus system running smoothly?
Fire up the buses RTD. We're going to need them for the DNC while the choo choo train is shut down at various locations.
In the meantime if you have something to say to the people that run RTD you can contact your elected officials at home or via email with this link. http://www.rtd-denver.com/TheBoard/in...
Trust me I've been dealing with them for about 8 months now. THEY DONT WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
July 16, 2008
12:42 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Pardon me for asking but what makes these visitors to Denver more important than the actual citizens of our fair municipality? I think the up-playing of their importance is bs. I'd prefer that we the people, as we go about our daily routines, are afforded the city's best possible protection. Or are they saying that we don't deserve it?
July 16, 2008
12:42 p.m.
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chuckyg writes:
glowrock: Your a complete idiot. I take it you have never taken the bus or ligh-trial to or from Denver. This is BS. Denver Union Station is the main hub of any North bound buses that the Light-rial feeds.
July 16, 2008
12:47 p.m.
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YourNeilness writes:
Denvergirl,
Thank you for the injection of sensible conversation! So refreshing.
Scott,
Good point about the delegates probably not taking light rail. Does anybody else get into the Pepsi Center besides them? And what about the protesters outside? Might some of them take the light rail? Isn't the Free Speech Cage in the parking lot next to the station?
July 16, 2008
12:47 p.m.
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P_Denver writes:
We don't have to worry about people wanted to go to Coors Field to see the Rockies during this time period. They were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs on May 2.
July 16, 2008
12:49 p.m.
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FatTony writes:
@FloydHill
"Well, you have to remember, Denver's mayor ain't too bright! What a dope."
Hick has done a great job. Perhaps you're the dope.
July 16, 2008
12:52 p.m.
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catlady writes:
Glowrock you are not very astute. A two stop closure is a BIG deal.
RTD is ruining the communte for nearly every light rail rider during the convention! If you ride the C or E lines you will have to switch to another train before the 10th and Osage stop. The D,F, and H trains, which are already very packed, will now add the passengers from the C or E lines for the final portion of the trip. Who among the typical C or E lines' ridership is going to find getting off at Invesco acceptable?
I think this is a way to co-opt the C and E line for exclusive use by the delegates and those attending the convention. Its our tax dollars funding a big party for a private group, the DNC. I for one am outraged.
This whole DNCC business is not going to be good for Denver, its citizens or those who work in the Downtown area. Hickenlooper and his people are a joke.
July 16, 2008
12:59 p.m.
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YourNeilness writes:
catlady writes: “I think this is a way to co-opt the C and E line for exclusive use by the delegates and those attending the convention. Its our tax dollars funding a big party for a private group, the DNC…...Hickenlooper and his people are a joke.”
More exaggeration and then criticize the Mayor for it. Classic.
July 16, 2008
1:06 p.m.
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jaymoveonorg writes:
We were told that this would be huge revenue boost for the city of Denver and the surrounding communities. That is why we wanted to let the convention come to Denver. I work downtown and I am already planning on working from home that week, because of the planned closures of roads, light rail and just the increase of traffic. Then I hear about all the protestors, people camping in the park, and other issues we have not heard of.
How much productivity will be lost here in Denver so we can accomodate the convention? Then we need to look at how much money we lost during this productivity decrease and compare it to the revenue sales of local businesses. My assumption is that we will come out losers.
Hopefully Denver learns their lesson and never tries to have another convention here again. It is just not worth the effort and money.
July 16, 2008
1:09 p.m.
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chuckyg writes:
denvergirl:
no comment on the Eline from Union Station that feeds everyone from the North end to the Tech Center? and Back
Nice way to address all the issues!!
Apparently your not worried because it doesn't effect you.........
July 16, 2008
1:12 p.m.
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Big_D writes:
The RNC would never do the same thing. OOOPS...
http://www.startribune.com/politics/n...
According to the right wingers on this site the GOP’s poop smells like springtime flowers. What a bunch of lying douche bags.
July 16, 2008
1:13 p.m.
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catlady writes:
Neilness,
I would like to introduce you to my friend, Reality. I think you could use a good dose of it.
Hickenlooper deserves to be criticized. He is closing down two main access points to the downtown area. This will cause increased traffic on the roads that remain open. Traffic that will slow the commute and cause more pollution. So much for being "green."
And two major light rail stops are also to be closed. So much for making a green commute easier on us little folks.
The whole selling point of this clown show was that it would bring more $$$ to downtown. Fact is Elitch Gardens will probably see a huge revenue loss during this time because no one can get there. I bet when all is said and done daily revenues at local downtown businesses will also be down during the Convention, with the possible exception of some hotels.
The more I hear about the DNCC's plans the more I wish it had gone to Chicago.
AND you sure aren't hearing about this kind of crapola at the RNCC shindig in Minnesota.
July 16, 2008
1:17 p.m.
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chuckyg writes:
YourNeilness: Dito for you jerk. I GUESS THIS DOESN'T BOTHER YOU BECAUSE YOUR NOT EFFECTED
Catlady: I AM OUTRAGED ALSO !! THIS IS BS
REGULAR E TRAIN USER
July 16, 2008
1:20 p.m.
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Blazingmason writes:
It's only a few days, people. Switch trains...ride to to 16th Street Mall and take the FREE mall bus to Union Station. Rise and shine 30 min earlier...big deal.
July 16, 2008
1:23 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Colorado will host the next Pres of the United States. It will have the biggest crowd ever! Nothing like a cool new record for Colorado. That is how we roll!
Obama 08
July 16, 2008
1:24 p.m.
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chuckyg writes:
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catlady -
Are we really so lazy and soft as to b***h-and-moan that having to add 5 minutes by switching trains once and possibly having to stand for and extra 7 minutes for a mere 4 days is ruinous? That says pretty sad things for Denver and its residents.
Why not for those 4 days catch the train 15 or 30 minutes earlier, avoid the ruinous part of the commute by getting off a few stops before your work, and enjoy a nice relaxing half-mile walk. Perhaps you could even grab a coffee and help support a local business that may or may not lose some business due to the convention "disruption".
ONCE AGAIN I HAVE TO POINT OUT TO YOU IDIOTS ON THE LEFT THAT THIS WILL EFFECT COMMUTERS FROM THE NORHT TO THE TECH-CENTER AND BACK MORE THEN A HOUR AT LEAST
"extra 7 minutes " WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP
July 16, 2008
1:27 p.m.
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chuckyg writes:
Blazingmason writes:
It's only a few days, people. Switch trains...ride to to 16th Street Mall and take the FREE mall bus to Union Station. Rise and shine 30 min earlier...big deal.
EASY FOR YOU TO SAY....
DO YOU HAVE CHILDREN TO GET READY IN THE MORNINGS? DAYCARE ISSUES?
"big deal" YOU BET IT IS
July 16, 2008
1:29 p.m.
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glowrock writes:
Now more than ever, I'm fully convinced that most people who post here are complete fools. Chuckyg thinks it's the end of the world that two stops are being cut out of the E line for a few days, and thinks someone who defends RTD never takes the bus or the train (believe me, I do when I go downtown!). catlady is simply nuts, complaining about anything and everything even remotely related to Mayor Hickenlooper, RTD, anything involving Democrats, etc... etc...
And of course, the RNC is perfect, right catlady? Give me a freaking break!
Morons, I swear!
July 16, 2008
1:30 p.m.
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chuckyg writes:
Blazingmason: YOU SHOULD READ THE ARTICAL FIRST
There won't be any light-rail service to or from the Pepsi Center and Denver Union Station stops. Convention delegates with credentials, however, will be able to ride the trains to and from the Pepsi Center
July 16, 2008
1:30 p.m.
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glowrock writes:
BTW, I suggest chuckyg stop using all caps, for it makes him look like a shouting fool!
July 16, 2008
1:33 p.m.
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Blazingmason writes:
chuckyg writes:
EASY FOR YOU TO SAY....
DO YOU HAVE CHILDREN TO GET READY IN THE MORNINGS? DAYCARE ISSUES?
"big deal" YOU BET IT IS
Chuckyg -
Yes, I do and I have a month to plan for it. Instead of being completely high-strung and making a larger issue out of what it really needs to be, I choose to adapt. Again, a few extra minutes is not that big of a deal.
July 16, 2008
1:35 p.m.
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July 16, 2008
1:37 p.m.
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chuckyg writes:
Blazingmason: WHERE DO YOU LIVE AND COMMUTE TO?
July 16, 2008
1:38 p.m.
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temurlan writes:
All of this for the next election footnote? You know, like Kerry?
July 16, 2008
1:39 p.m.
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glowrock writes:
YIOTA, I hope you're just being sarcastic, and not seriously questioning the need for security at the DNC. Should I ask you the same thing concerning the RNC? Both parties will have heavy security for their respective conventions, as they well should. Too many nutjobs would love nothing more than to cause a major ruckus at either of the two conventions.
July 16, 2008
1:41 p.m.
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Blazingmason writes:
I catch the E Line at Dry Creek to Union Station. Therefore, I could just take the F Line, which isnt all that crowded up until the Broadway station to 16th street like I mentioned before.
July 16, 2008
1:54 p.m.
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chuckyg writes:
Blazingmason: We are in the same boat then, Along with hundreds of others. Maybe you see the point now. Except you don't go all the way to 120th to go home. The 120X along with all the north bound X buses picks up at Union Station and goes direct to the HOV
July 16, 2008
2:08 p.m.
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YourNeilness writes:
Chuckyg you need to learn to relax a little. What did you call me a jerk for? Because I keep pointing out the subtle debate tactics of republicans, who exaggerate a point and then criticize the mayor for it? Some things just must be pointed out.
Good point, Ramanboy @ 1:46.
July 16, 2008
2:19 p.m.
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Big_D writes:
It looks like the GOP isn't just taking public transit over for their convention.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/n...
After the bridge collapse most in Minneapolis could care less about their bus route being inconvenient. One of their main thoroughfares collapsed recently so they have an idea what a real inconvenience is.
July 16, 2008
2:37 p.m.
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AC writes:
YIOTA writes:
"Why am I not hearing about these issues with the GOP convention in Minnesota?
Funny how its always the mean Republicans stealing the rights of the citizens and doing as they please with total disregard for the people. My how well the shoe fits... Yes its a perfect size.."
Let's do a reality check here, Yiota. The same things will be done at the Republican convention. Minneapolis traffic closures don't normally make news in Denver.
And if you wanna play games, it IS the Republicans stealing your rights, not the Dems. These security closures are all dictated not by the DNC, but by the US Secret Service, a branch of the George W Bush administration. SS calls the shots on ALL transit and road closures. Period.
July 16, 2008
2:56 p.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
"These security closures are all dictated not by the DNC, but by the US Secret Service, a branch of the George W Bush administration. SS calls the shots on ALL transit and road closures."
So, your saying that the Secret Service is appointed by the sitting President? HOLY SHIITE.. there are going to be some peeved folks working there tomorrow? How do guys get to retire or get a promotion when the longest you can be on the job for is 8 years. How do they find SO many people to rotate thru the ranks every 4 to 8 years.
You are aware that the SS does not consult the Prez on security matters? How to do their job, etc etc etc. Doesn't the Secret Service report to Congress? (I might be wrong on that point..)
Could you tell us how this works more, AC?
July 16, 2008
2:57 p.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
Never fails... "It's Bush's fault!"
July 16, 2008
3:13 p.m.
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AC writes:
danirobi writes:
"glowrock-What about all the students that go to school on the Auraria campus? With that station closed I guess that means they'll have to pay for parking on campus, which is expensive and contribute to global warming, something the DNC is against."
There's no excuse for this ignorance of things already announced, people.
Auraria is closed that week. Even so, danirobi -- NEITHER of the two Auroria light rail stations are being closed that week. READ THE INFO -- you will still be able to take light rail to Auraria West and Auraria at Colfax stations. Yeesh, never let facts get in the way of a good rant.
Again, NYC in 2004 didn't shout down the city with the RNC Convention was going on.
July 16, 2008
3:39 p.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
Not going to expand on that one, AC?
July 16, 2008
3:49 p.m.
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chuckyg writes:
mymilehi: How very big of you to speak for everyone......
"And you know damn well that you don't go straight home after work. We all know where you go. "Sorry I'm 2 hours late honey, but you know how bad the traffic is downtown this week...."
I'm a single parent for your info, and don't go to bars after work I go get my kids from daycare. I have to be on time everyday, and I use RTD buses and light-rail everyday.
You are soooo smart, and I am so glad you know everything about everyone.
Thanks for your worthless comment though.
July 16, 2008
3:58 p.m.
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AC writes:
What one?
July 16, 2008
4:17 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Bunch of baby Bit@hes. It is only what, 4 days. The world will not come to a end. You will make it, I promise.
July 16, 2008
4:27 p.m.
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Reason writes:
I'm going to take a stab in the dark and guess that many, if not most, of the people saying that the closures aren't a big deal, don't actually use the public transit being affected. I don't personally use either station, but I would certainly be pissed about the inconvenience/loss of productive hours caused by a group of government pissants. I wonder how much of an economic deficit we can accrue through the DNC and the correlated loss of productivity, maybe we can beat Boston's -$34mil. Government for the people, my @$$.
July 16, 2008
4:39 p.m.
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AC writes:
MarineGrunt writes:
"So, your saying that the Secret Service is appointed by the sitting President? HOLY SHIITE.. there are going to be some peeved folks working there tomorrow? How do guys get to retire or get a promotion when the longest you can be on the job for is 8 years. How do they find SO many people to rotate thru the ranks every 4 to 8 years."
MarineGrunt: Are you really as stupid as this reply makes you sound? Did you flunk out of junior high before civics class? The SS, formerly a branch of Treasury (as I said, an executive branch agency, not Congressional) and now a part of Dept. of Homeland Security, another executive branch agency, obviously has many career employees. But leadership comes down from whomever is president/cabinet officer/sub-directors etc that are all political appointees.
"You are aware that the SS does not consult the Prez on security matters? How to do their job, etc etc etc. Doesn't the Secret Service report to Congress? (I might be wrong on that point..)"
Yes, you are wrong on that point.
If you'd learn to read, my original post was in regard to the person who implied the security arrangements here are the responsibility of the Democrats. They are not; they are dictated, as they will be for the RNC, by the Secret Service, which is an executive branch agency.
I don't care about the RNC security either; it's just a fact of life today with terrorism more of a threat. I suggest we all just get over it when a presidential candidate, or Bush or Cheney for that matter, requires security.
"Could you tell us how this works more, AC?"
You're welcome.
July 16, 2008
4:44 p.m.
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Scott writes:
mymilehi,
It isn't that all of us have recently turned into tree-hugging, bunny-hugging eco-freaks. It is about the hypocrisy of the dems who tout that without the dem party our mother, The Earth, would be a polluted mess devoid of all bunnies, snail darters, spotted owls, etc. If the grand pubahs of the dem party REALLY meant what they excrete, then they would be clamoring for all kinds of mass transit or eco-friendly bicycles to transport them from their tents down along the South Platte river to the Pepsi center.
Scott
July 16, 2008
4:57 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
You people on the right, sound a bit backed up to me.
July 16, 2008
5 p.m.
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YourNeilness writes:
Scott,
There is a plan to have a bicycle borrowing program for the convention and beyond.
July 16, 2008
5:11 p.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
Ouch... I stand corrected.
July 16, 2008
5:19 p.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
As I was...
Your correct that the SS reports to the Treasury Dept.
But to insult the men and woman of the Secret Service by saying they would cause a issue at the DNC just as a political jab makes you sound as stupid as my post.
July 16, 2008
5:32 p.m.
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AC writes:
MarineGrunt writes:
"Your correct that the SS reports to the Treasury Dept.
But to insult the men and woman of the Secret Service by saying they would cause a issue at the DNC just as a political jab makes you sound as stupid as my post."
Guess again, grunt. I never insulted ANYONE in the Secret Service. I said they are the ones calling the security shots at BOTH the DNC and the RNC, and it's all reasonable in my opinion. I was shooting down the clowns who think the Democrats -- or the Republicans in Twin Cities -- are responsible for any of these security decisions. The fact that those departments ultimately report to the Bush Administration doesn't mean Bush makes the call, and on top of that I am not even critical of the call!! I think the closures are moderate and likely prudent and necessary. Learn to read. I'm saying the folks who are blaming what they see as a debacle on Democrats ought to realize the call is really being made by an agency that reports to the Bush White House. So if they, not me, don't like it, they should complain to the Republican overseers of the agency.
July 16, 2008
7 p.m.
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drkenne writes:
Maybe if the democrats stood up, put an end to the Iraq war and impeached Bush, instead of "taking impeachment off the table", when they allegedly became the majority party, we wouldn't be having these discussions.
All these "security" measures will only serve to inflame an already tense situation.
July 16, 2008
8 p.m.
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catlady writes:
Glowtard,
Damn right I complain about Denver's idiot of a mayor. I'd have the same complaint about that clown if he were a Republican or your mother. And when this cluster F**k of a convention blows up in his face,and it will, I will be the first to say I told you so. You don't have to be a weatherman to see which way this wind is blowing.
If this convention is our first taste of life under an Obamanation, then God helpus all.
July 16, 2008
10:04 p.m.
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Mike846 writes:
Well, I watched Hizzoner the Mayor on TV tonight, telling everyone that these closures wouldn't inconvenience anyone. Talk about whistling past the graveyard. Before this mess is all over, Denver will have a black eye nationally, an empty wallet requiring more taxes to cover the losses and the Mayor will issue a statement saying they did their best and it wasn't his fault. Nothings ever Hick's fault, haven't you noticed? Like so many others, I'm taking off the week just to avoid the hassles. My parking garage has already informed me that the space I pay $205 a month for can't be guaranteed to be open (its across from a major hotel) and my suspicion is that as things progress, there will be more street closures, etc., etc.. Now the City is claiming they don't plan to sweep up the street people, all evidence to the contrary being cleverly ignored by most of the media in town. One suspects the denial is an "adjustment" to "clarify" positions, much like the "clarification" issued as to the menu's that caterer's must provide if they want to bid the food at the Convention. They think you're all idiots. If you vote for ANY of these people again, maybe you are. Mike
July 17, 2008
2:42 a.m.
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clyde writes:
It's for the Messiah. (As versus "It's for the children"). Is not the Chosen One worth a bit of inconvenience? Why not do it at Cherry Creek like the Pope? He could undoubtedly draw a bigger crowd than the Pope did. After all, the Pope's boss personally picked Hussein-of-the-Ears-and-empty-suit.
July 17, 2008
3:58 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
Why don't we just turn Colorado into a military state and shout everything down. The citizens of Colorado should not be allowed outside when the Messiah comes to town.
This convention is one big joke!
July 17, 2008
6:42 a.m.
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me2 writes:
When the Republics come to the state it makes me mad. If even one inch of road is involved it upsets me, it I let it. See, I don`t let it because I understand my dislike for the people is coloring my opinion.
Both conventions will inconvenience people, they always do, but the amount of bit*ching is proportional to how much you approve or disapprove of the event, not the actual problems it might cause.
See things might go off swimmingly, which will upset the conservatives mightily, and dash poor Rush`s dreams, or they might go badly which will reflect poorly on the trouble makers, not on the Democratic party.
You can decide to let this upset you and give you a headache, or you can decide to enjoy the fun, or you can ignore it or leave town.
Maybe some of you need to raise your p*ssed off level a bit.
July 17, 2008
7:27 a.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
AC... your implying that EVERYONE is in on some BS scheme.
Could you let us in on your insider knowledge of the Secret Service?
July 17, 2008
8:19 a.m.
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mojambo writes:
Hey Dilligraf
Do you recall I25 ever being shut down for a ballgame?
I rest my case, in regards to our exchange a few days ago.
July 17, 2008
8:58 a.m.
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jaerbaer1 writes:
Another example of why this DNC convention (or any political convention) was a bad idea. Denver will lose millions of dollars just to be in the spotlight. Too bad they didn't think this through logically. And if (I said IF) anything bad happens, Denver will have a black eye for many years to come. Remember how long it took Dallas to recover from it's black eye in 1963? I hope nothing happens. Even so, the financial cost is not worth it.
July 17, 2008
9 a.m.
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AC writes:
MarineGrunt writes:
"AC... your implying that EVERYONE is in on some BS scheme.
Could you let us in on your insider knowledge of the Secret Service?"
Uh, Grunt, I know you like to play this game with people here, but it ain't flying with me.
Re-read what I've been saying. There isn't any "scheme" BS or otherwise, I never said anyone let aloje everyone is "in" on anything. The Secret Service's job is security for national highprofile events like this one and that is the agency that makes these calls. It's all normal course of business. The very same thing will happen with the RNC, and if you think I've been alleging any kind of "scheme" about anything, then it's obvious you are purposefully misreading everything and you're only here to lob silly debunked insults.
Closing I-25 has been done before and people live through it. There have been overnight closures before. It's even in the story -- putting up girders on that new ped bridge, all the T-REX closures. This is for maybe 8 hours tops. It ain't no big deal, it ain't a conspiracy and it ain't the Democrats doing it.
July 17, 2008
9:06 a.m.
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youngman writes:
I live and work downtown...where do I send my Bill for MY COSTS...I will put it on recycled paper of course...obviously the DNC will cover them since I am a Fellow COMRAD......the Messiah will have the money to pay us Peasants for our goods....what a joke..this is Socialism at its best..the anointed get all the bennies...while the little guy has to work his bottom off....and get trampled on....they think they are Kings and Queens...annointed..with limo's and secret service......they are JUST politicians
July 17, 2008
9:07 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
AC, closing I-25 near Invesco for hours, some of which are during rush hour, isn't a good thing and it's a bit paranoid for someone who might not or might become President. That's probably where some people have a problem with it.
July 17, 2008
9:41 a.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
"and it ain't the Democrats doing it."
That is where you keep stepping on your Richard. To plan the security for the DNC it take 100's of SS agents 100's of hours to look at the scene and come up with a overall plan. IF this was a Republican stunt, as your implying, every agaent would have to be in on it. This is why I asked you, and you declined, to detail your knowledge of the security measures taken by the SS. Do you really think some fat-cat in a appointed office is setting down the plans for this? Or could it be a hard working field agaent that has this responsibility? Why would they allow a politically appointed idiot plan a major operation like this one? If there was some great inside planned, don't you think just ONE agaents would raise a BS flag and go to the press?
"a branch of the George W Bush administration. SS calls the shots on ALL transit and road closures." AND
"I'm saying the folks who are blaming what they see as a debacle on Democrats ought to realize the call is really being made by an agency that reports to the Bush White House."
So... your implying Bush has everything to do with it, but with a "Back Peddle" clause if you get called out on it? Nice try...
Re-read your own dribble!!! You can't even keep your own point in line... keep back peddling. I am guessing that is Bush's fault, as well?
You can't have it both ways!!
July 17, 2008
10:29 a.m.
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Eli writes:
Much ado about nothing, I say. And that's coming from a conservative. Anybody, Democrat or Republican, who didn't expect these things to happen...well, I don't know why you'd bother to kid yourself in such a manner.
Traffic and public transportation will be impeded in order to ensure the safety and convenience of the high and mighty politicians. It'll blow for a few days, everybody will whine about it for a while, then it'll be over and life goes on... and hopefully in the future we'll all know better than to have either of the conventions here in Denver.
July 17, 2008
10:48 a.m.
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jaymoveonorg writes:
I agree that the closures of the light rail and the roads are necessary to keep the are secure. What I don't like is the fact that Ritter and Hickenlooper pushed for the convention to be here, and I don't believe all the mess we will have to deal with that week is not worth it.
I don't blame the democrats for the security and closures but I do blame them for bringing the convention here. It should have gone to Chicago.
July 17, 2008
11:09 a.m.
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jay writes:
lots of sightings of the rare Red Hopping Hypocritical Hackbird here.
i hear there will be another opportunity to see them in minnesota this year...albeit the blue variety.
July 17, 2008
12:58 p.m.
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denvergirl80205 writes:
ChuckyG wrote:
denvergirl:
no comment on the Eline from Union Station that feeds everyone from the North end to the Tech Center? and Back
Nice way to address all the issues!!
Apparently your not worried because it doesn't effect you.........
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The convention will affect everyone that lives and/or works downtown. I am choosing to not get upset, choosing not to make a big deal out of this, and am choosing to adapt to the changes that are required of me for 4 days. It's not the end of the world, really; it's only 4 days.
July 17, 2008
1:11 p.m.
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AC writes:
“MarineGrunt writes:
“That is where you keep stepping on your Richard. To plan the security for the DNC it take 100's of SS agents 100's of hours to look at the scene and come up with a overall plan. IF this was a Republican stunt, as your implying, every agaent would have to be in on it.”
Grunt, what on earth are you even talking about here? Are you delusional? Not only have I never *implied* that anything going on here is a “Republican stunt,” I’ve specifically *stated* that this is normal and expected for such an event. Didn’t they teach you to read as a youngun? One more time, to get through your thick partisan skull: The security measured are taken by Secret Service, not the Democrats, not the Republicans. The fact that you clowns go on and on after being debunked, claiming Democrats are imposing these closures is made all the more ridiculous by the fact that the Secret Service is an executive branch agency, currently headed by Republican appointees.
That doesn’t mean it’s a “scheme” or a “stunt.” It’s just friggin’ security. Same will happen at the RNC.
You clowns make crap out of nothing.
“This is why I asked you, and you declined, to detail your knowledge of the security measures taken by the SS. Do you really think some fat-cat in a appointed office is setting down the plans for this? Or could it be a hard working field agaent that has this responsibility? Why would they allow a politically appointed idiot plan a major operation like this one? If there was some great inside planned, don't you think just ONE agaents would raise a BS flag and go to the press?”
Here again, what on earth are you talking about? You clowns are the ones saying you think this is some great stunt or scheme? I am the one telling you it’s just normal business. No, GOP appointees are not involved in the detailed planning. That’s exactly what I am saying. Neither are Democrats establishing these security parameters.
“Re-read your own dribble!!! You can't even keep your own point in line... keep back peddling. I am guessing that is Bush's fault, as well?
You can't have it both ways!!”
I have never run across such an uneducated fool as you. I never “blamed” Bush at all. I pointed out the moronic nature of those – apparently including you – who are pinning road closures Democratic decisions when in fact they were made by an agency under the supervision of Republicans and Bush. No scheme, no stunt, just pointing out the idiocy of your position,
How did you survive the Marines, if you really did? I thought they were more selective.
July 17, 2008
1:14 p.m.
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jaymoveonorg writes:
denvergirl80205,
So if it was the Republican convention how would you react? Can I safely assume you voted for John Kerry, Al Gore and Bill Clinton the past few elections?
Something to ponder. If Obama is elected do you think certain developing countries (where whites are not the majority) will treat the Obama adminstration different, because he is black?
Maybe he can do something that a white person could not, but it could also backfire as well. In a way I am curious how the world will react and then deal with a black President like Obama. A lot of good could come from it or a lot of bad too.
July 17, 2008
1:15 p.m.
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AC writes:
Cwillyrun1 writes:
"AC, closing I-25 near Invesco for hours, some of which are during rush hour, isn't a good thing and it's a bit paranoid for someone who might not or might become President. That's probably where some people have a problem with it."
A closure at 5 or 6 pm for one evening would be no worse than when some stupid trucker drives under Speer overpass with a high load and gets stuck. We'll live. I-25 has had overnight closures for construction.
July 17, 2008
1:26 p.m.
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denvergirl80205 writes:
jaymoveonorg writes:
denvergirl80205,
So if it was the Republican convention how would you react? Can I safely assume you voted for John Kerry, Al Gore and Bill Clinton the past few elections?
Something to ponder. If Obama is elected do you think certain developing countries (where whites are not the majority) will treat the Obama adminstration different, because he is black?
Maybe he can do something that a white person could not, but it could also backfire as well. In a way I am curious how the world will react and then deal with a black President like Obama. A lot of good could come from it or a lot of bad too.
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jaymoveonorg - No you cannot safely assume anything - You have no way to know that I am a registered republican. For me, the political process trumps the inconvenience I will face for 4 days.
July 17, 2008
1:37 p.m.
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jay writes:
"If Obama is elected do you think certain developing countries (where whites are not the majority) will treat the Obama adminstration different, because he is black?"
what in the world does this have to do with anything? if we elect a president whose family was originally from ireland do we have to worry about different treatment from Ireland?
July 17, 2008
1:43 p.m.
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Alive writes:
I have a bigger question. What if Obama is NOT elected president? What then?
July 17, 2008
1:50 p.m.
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Reason writes:
"I have a bigger question. What if Obama is NOT elected president? What then?"
We'll have to have a big taxpayer funded recount. Obviously the only way Obama could lose is a hanging chad issue.
July 17, 2008
1:56 p.m.
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MarineGrunt writes:
"How did you survive the Marines, if you really did? I thought they were more selective."
Due to the fact I can think for myself and I am a bit tougher then your dumb arse! Your having a real hard time dealing with me on a blog, you would last about 7 sec's in the Corps. Once again running your come cooler with no background knowledge! Reach down and make sure they have dropped before running your su c k saying something you wouldn't in person.
If you claim that there is no GOP intervention in the planning of this security detail, why do you always end you rants withs..
"a branch of the George W Bush administration. SS calls the shots on ALL transit and road closures."
AND
"I'm saying the folks who are blaming what they see as a debacle on Democrats ought to realize the call is really being made by an agency that reports to the Bush White House."
Is it because your such a left wing idiot you can't see thru the BS your talking about? You JUST have to bash bush every chance you get because your unable to address the issue at hand?
"What are you talking about?"
If you had the ability to read a post and think about it for a sec you could figure this out on your own. I didn't think I would have to put it into 3 to 4 letter words for you to understand.
Uneducated? I was unaware you knew me. If graduating from collage with two degrees makes me uneducated, believe what you wish.
"who are pinning road closures Democratic decisions when in fact they were made by an agency under the supervision of Republicans and Bush"
A) DO not live in Denver and could care less!!
B)YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT WITH THIS SENTENCE!! thank you retard!! NO.. nothing implied there. Nothing at all.
July 17, 2008
2:08 p.m.
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denvergirl80205 writes:
It's refreshing to see that at least some people on the board realize that there are a number of agencies are responsible for security at a convention like this one.
Security level for the DNC Convention is considered to be an "extraordinary" security event.
There are just a few events in the country that qualify for this classification (the RNC Convention, the DNC Convention, the Superbowl and one or two more).
July 17, 2008
2:10 p.m.
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cpd writes:
Save all the brain drain folks. These are only the PLANS. If all goes well the city gets through this thing with relatively minor inconvenience (although relatively minor doesn't describe what businesses on the closed streets face). If the recreate 68 and other fools have their way and the balloon goes up, it could be hell week. Then there will be plenty of opportunity to draw and quarter the Hick man, Farber, the chief of police, head of the DNC and lots of others.
July 17, 2008
2:27 p.m.
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jaymoveonorg writes:
jay,
What is your problem? I was saying if Obama is elected President it actually might instantly improve our relations with some countries, because he is black. Some nations might want to deal with a black man and not another white dude they look upon as imperalists. It might help in our negotiations with them as well. Trust between nations are key on getting anything done when it comes to diplomacy. Is that bad? That is why I think it is relevant.
denvergirl80205, Why are you afraid of answering my question on who you voted for? At least then we would know where you stand when you make a statement. I voted both times for Bush and Clinton before Bush. Is that hard to do?
July 17, 2008
2:34 p.m.
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AC writes:
MarineGrunt writes:
“Due to the fact I can think for myself and I am a bit tougher then your dumb arse!”
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All evidence is to the contrary. You’ve not gotten a single thing right here.
“Your having a real hard time dealing with me on a blog…
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Not at all; I’m cleaning your clock in fact.
“If you claim that there is no GOP intervention in the planning of this security detail, why do you always end you rants withs..
"a branch of the George W Bush administration. SS calls the shots on ALL transit and road closures."
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Because, clown, it disproves that *Dems* are doing it.
“ You JUST have to bash bush every chance you get because your unable to address the issue at hand?”
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Whooooooosh. You still are ignorant. I don’t bash Bush; I am saying IT AIN’T POLITICAL AT ALL!! Wow you are really really stupid. I really doubt you were a Marine. My brother was first wave on Iwo. He’s a Marine. You’re just crazy.
"who are pinning road closures Democratic decisions when in fact they were made by an agency under the supervision of Republicans and Bush"
A) DO not live in Denver and could care less!!
B)YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT WITH THIS SENTENCE!! thank you retard!!
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Try again, moron. Your point is that Democrats are responsible for security. How does showing it’s actually an agency under Republican supervision prove *your* point?
One more time, since five times isn’t enough to penetrate the concrete that surrounds your pea brain:
DNC security measures are not decided by Democrats; Security is not a political consideration at all. RNC will have similar restrictions. I am not bashing anyone; I approve of the security. Pointing out that SS is currently under a Republican admin is not “bashing” that plain fact; it’s to disprove that *Democrats* are behind closing the streets.
Understand, retard? Probably not.
July 17, 2008
2:41 p.m.
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AC writes:
BeefEaterGrins writes:
“But, as said you did "step on your Richard" by doing the round about, they work for Bush statement.”
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So you don understand either? The fact that Republicans supervise Homeland Security and SS is to shoot down the kook claim that *Democrats* are deciding what streets to restrict. There is no “bashing” of any of it from me, I approve of the plans, they’re minimal; I commented only on the partisan morons who try to make “Dems vs Reps” out of every single friggin’ i