Obama's big night moves to Invesco
By Alan Gathright, Rocky Mountain News (Contact), Bill Scanlon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published July 7, 2008 at 7:34 a.m.
Updated July 7, 2008 at 3:17 p.m.
A view of Invesco Field during set-up before an event.
Rocky Mountain News
Invesco Field at Mile High as seen from the air.
Barack Obama won't be the first presidential nominee to give his acceptance speech in a huge football stadium, when he speaks to 76,000 presumably occupied seats at Invesco Field at Mile High on Aug. 28.
But it's been 48 years.
On July 15, 1960, John F. Kennedy gave his acceptance speech before tens of thousands at the Los Angeles Coliseum.
Democrats this morning announced the switch from the 21,000-seat Pepsi Center to the much larger Invesco Field, where the Denver Broncos play their home games.
A special block of "community" tickets will be reserved for Colorado residents, with details on how to get them coming in the next couple of weeks.
Obama, speaking to reporters in St. Louis, said he was excited.
"Sometimes our conventions don't feel like they are open to everybody," Obama said. "For us to be able to do it in Invesco Field is an opportunity for 80,000 people who might otherwise not have been able to participate to get involved."
It's a chance for grass-roots supporters to be there when Obama makes history, and a break from the mold of traditional political conventions, said Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee.
"It's going to be new, it's going to be different, it's going to be incredibly exciting," Dean said in conference call this morning.
Supporters said the super-sized acceptance speech will symbolize the first African American presidential nominee's populist campaign to open up the political process to all Americans, especially newcomers.
The switch to Invesco Field "will allow thousands of first-time participants a chance to take part," said convention co-chairwoman Kathleen Sebelius, the governor of Kansas.
Dean said shifting the final night of the convention to the stadium from the Pepsi Center will cost more and require more logistical juggling. But he said the costs and specific plans won't be available for a few weeks.
"The host committee will raise the money, but they'll have a lot of help" from the Obama campaign, Dean said.
Anita Dunn, a senior adviser to the Obama campaign, agreed. "Absolutely, we're working as a team here," she said.
"We feel strongly that this is going to be a great convention and we're going to be working ... with the host committee to make sure this is a historic and great occasion. We do not anticipate there will be problems," Dunn said.
Dean continued to dismiss as simply wrong a recent report by The New York Times that the DNC convention was over budget and facing delays in issuing construction contracts to ready the Pepsi Center.
"We're not over budget. If we hadn't controlled the budget we couldn't do this," Dean stressed.
Separately, one official confirmed to the Associated Press today that Obama's aides were attempting to arrange a speech at a second dramatic venue: Berlin's Brandenburg Gate, part of Obama's July trip to Europe and the Middle East.
The Gate was the site of one of Ronald Reagan's most memorable speeches. On a trip in July 1987, Reagan stood before throngs of West Berliners and implored then Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall dividing the city. The wall is no longer there.
Dean also acknowledged the change of venue for the convention speech would raise security challenges but said he and Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper had agreed such challenges won't deter the move.
Ron Perea, Secret Service special agent in charge in Denver, declined to discuss what security precautions the agency would take for the open-air event, including any restrictions on airspace and traffic.
"We're used to this type of thing," he said, citing baseball games where the president throws out the first pitch.
FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the move probably would not force big changes in the agency's plans.
While details of how Invesco Field tickets will be distributed are pending, the Obama campaign issued an Internet fundraising e-mail today, stating: "Barack has made it clear that this is your convention, not his."
"Barack will leave the convention hall and join more than 75,000 people for a huge, free, open-air event where he will deliver his acceptance speech to the American people," the e-mail said.
"It's going to be an amazing event, and Barack would like you to join him. Free tickets will become available as the date approaches, but we've reserved a special place for a few of the people who brought us this far and who continue to drive this campaign."
The fundraising request said that people who donate $5 before midnight July 31 "could be one of 10 supporters chosen to fly to Denver and spend two days and nights at the convention, meet Barack backstage, and watch his acceptance speech in person. Each of the 10 supporters who are selected will be able to bring one guest to join them."
"Make a donation now and you could have a front row seat to history," the fundraising request said.
Word of the move to the Denver Broncos football stadium began leaking last week amid reports that Obama wanted to involve far more people than the 21,000 the Pepsi Center can hold.
The speech is scheduled for the 45th anniversary of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s stirring "I have a dream" speech before a massive crowd in front of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C.
Republicans blasted the change in venue.
A statement from Matt Burns, director of communications for the 2008 Republican National Convention, said:
"Not surprisingly, Senator Obama and his fellow Democrats are more focused on stagecraft and theatrics than providing real solutions to the challenges facing our nation.
"A change of venue for a political speech isn't the kind of change the American people deserve or expect — and that's why we're confident the next President of the United States will be nominated at the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul."
Moving the speech raises questions about security, weather and extra fundraising that might be needed to cover the expense. But the potential payoff is big, observers said last week.
John Straayer, a political science professor from Colorado State University, said the move offered plenty of positives for Obama.
"You're going to get a much bigger crowd, which adds to the visibility and publicity," Straayer said Friday. "One of the reasons for it is that you can go beyond the political elites in the Pepsi Center and have more common folks."
"When we said we wanted to 'bring down the walls,' open up this convention like never before and truly speak to the American people, we meant it," said Leah D. Daughtry, CEO of the DNCC. "On August 28, we will offer grass-roots Democrats, who have turned out in record numbers this year, the opportunity to witness history shoulder to shoulder with thousands of Americans standing up for the change our country desperately needs."
Prime-time convention events will remain at the Pepsi Center on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, Aug. 25-27.
And the daytime activities will remain at the Colorado Convention Center.
"Senator Obama and the DNCC have truly brought the community into the Convention," said Gov. Bill Ritter. "This decision will enable thousands of residents from Colorado, the Rocky Mountain West and across the nation to witness history first hand. What a way to fire up our grass-roots activists as we head into the fall campaign."
Throughout the election season, Obama has campaigned on a call for a new kind of politics.
"His point has been to be different and advocate change and be accessible," pollster Floyd Ciruli said last week. "The idea of moving out ... of the Pepsi Center where everything is credentialed and secure is symbolic of a new beginning and a much more open approach."
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
July 7, 2008
7:52 a.m.
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timeandagain writes:
Denver taxpayers: Open up your pocketbooks!! This convention was already going to be an expensive boondoggle for us... why not throw another 10-12 million at this expensive "change"??
July 7, 2008
8:04 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
Vomit!
July 7, 2008
8:06 a.m.
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Jim_in_Erie writes:
Anyone else notice that the really 'vocal' supporters of Nobama, do so by dissing everyone NOT a Nobama supporter?
Says a lot about them, none of it positive.
Anyone can pile insult upon insult.
But to actually propose something that has a chance to work.....not in the plan, apparently.
July 7, 2008
8:11 a.m.
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leatherneck writes:
Osama better pay to have the field fixed after the Dems graze on the grass. I am sure the Broncos don't want him there tarring up the field. Obummer
08 more years
July 7, 2008
8:13 a.m.
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Shaggy writes:
The circus must go on.
LoL Invesco Field is going to be known as Fiasco Feild
July 7, 2008
8:18 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
There goes the Broncos season!
July 7, 2008
8:21 a.m.
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SheikYurBooty writes:
What's Pat Bowlen's cut? Doesn't he get a % of all events there?
July 7, 2008
8:24 a.m.
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Shaggy writes:
Hey, doesn't CU and CSU play at Invesco like a couple days after this circus?
They may want to have a plan "B" in place.
July 7, 2008
8:25 a.m.
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Shaggy writes:
artsstarzz, you have to have a green card in order to get a ticket!!!
July 7, 2008
8:25 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
What does Obama stand for? One day he is for gun control, the next he supports the Supreme Courts ruling. Thinks we need to pull out of Iraq, oh wait, nevermind I want to see the progress over there. What kind of record does Obama have??? None, the guy hasn't done anything in the U.S. Senate. The guy will say and do anything to get elected. Oh but wait he gives awesome speeches, well do a lot of other people. Obama touts the line "Yes, we can" yet oh wait no we can't when it comes to being energy dependent. He doesn't have a plan to solve anything.
His supporters goe after John McCain and claim that he is good enough to be a leader. His military experience isn't enough? Oh, well what kind of military experience does Obama have? NONE!
The guy is a joke, and god help us if he is elected.
Look at his record (or lack there of one) people!!!!
July 7, 2008
8:26 a.m.
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jugdish writes:
Oh, no! Say it not so! Jugdish worry this put hex on my Broncos.
Worry now they go 0-bama and 16.
July 7, 2008
8:35 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
Bahaha, nice YIOTA! I'm from Colorado but work in DC and let me tell you if that man is elected President, I'm leaving town and fearing for my life and for my freedom!
Obama=arrogant, political hack!
July 7, 2008
8:39 a.m.
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leatherneck writes:
artstarzz: Your not going to be able to get tickets!
YOU NEED TO BE OLD ENOUGH TO DRIVE FIRST, then a couple years later you can actualy vote for who you want in office.
08 MORE YEARS
July 7, 2008
8:41 a.m.
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Diff writes:
I didn't think this would happen mostly because of security concerns, and the costs.
A good question here is who is paying the bill? It should be the Dems and or Obama, not Denver or Colorado taxpayers!
You can bet there are those in the City that will make a good deal off the convention in general and this will be an opportunity to increase the take.
I am a Obama Supporter and I would love to be there - a historic moment for sure but
- NONE of the costs of this event should fall on the City!
July 7, 2008
8:44 a.m.
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Shadow writes:
With the current flip flops Obama is now making, I wonder if he will be able to fill the seats in Invesco. He is dropping in nthe polls among the left base. Why, he now supports handguns, the FISA, money for church charities (although he would put restrictions on all of them essentially making them another governemnt handout facility).
What will he change after he goes to IRAQ, or will he find another excuse not to go.
July 7, 2008
8:45 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
Just think to be able to say you where at THE PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES ACCEPTENCE SPEECH. But better yet to know that the cons all got to help pay for it. WOW!!!!! And to read posts like this and hear them whine & cry. PRICELESS!!!!!!
OBAMA 08
July 7, 2008
8:47 a.m.
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Alive writes:
Obama must have had a lobotomy in order to erase at least 20 years of listening about how mean and awful white people are.
Now he talks like a gun totin' patriot where just a couple of months ago he was the perfect example of a Che shirt wearing leftist.
Who is the real Obama? We won't find out until after the election.
His RADICAL roots very recent. We should not forget that.
July 7, 2008
8:48 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
Obama is an empty suit. People need to open their eyes and see what this man has and has not done (mostly not). He can't give a speech unless it's prepared for him. He doesn't know what he stands for on anything.
Wake up people, Obama is not god!
July 7, 2008
8:50 a.m.
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leatherneck writes:
danirobi:
You for got his wish wash flip flop on wire taps, small business, government funded benifits, and Abortion
Anyone but Obummer in 08
July 7, 2008
8:54 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
I could post his U.S. Senate record, but it wouldn't be worth it since there is nothing on it.
July 7, 2008
8:58 a.m.
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SPUD writes:
I hope they pass out the words to the "Black National Anthem." Next year we will be required to sing it at every gathering, sporting event and school.
July 7, 2008
9:01 a.m.
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T1anda writes:
Gee, I wonder how many "typical,gun toten,bible thumpin,bitter" blue collar workers will be at Invesco rooting for the biggest Democratic hoax to ever run for POTUS??
Vote SANE Vote McCain!!!
July 7, 2008
9:02 a.m.
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ThatGuy writes:
Yep, McCain has done nothing but stick to his guns on issues... no flip-flopping there at all... Obama (Kettle) and McCain (Pot) are politicians and this is what they do, so stop with the one-sided BS about one or the other. Both of them have poop that stinks.
McCain: You can only respect the man's dedication to his country and his uniform. However, as Wes Clark said "I didn't know that getting shot down while flying a jet qualified you to be president." That statement is true, it doesn't give any qualifications except that you are a patriot and a good sailor. (And before I get all the crap about not being patriotic, I've served twice in Iraq, so bite me.)
Obama: Sure, he doesn't have much experience but I find that to be a good thing for once. This country has been garbage for the past 8 years and possibly the last 20-28 depending on who you speak to. Let's try something different for a little bit. What's the worse that could happen? Another war where my buddies get do die?
July 7, 2008
9:02 a.m.
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olsonmt writes:
Politicians act more like celebrities or rock stars than elected public servants. We will never have true leadership as long as their end goal is ego, fame, and power. Obama is really getting good at feeding that ego. I wonder who those millions of dollars could feed instead.
July 7, 2008
9:03 a.m.
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CWW writes:
Hope Mr. Hussein Obama has fun with his acceptance speach here, because it will be the last one he makes.
July 7, 2008
9:03 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Yiota and Gene in 08
They would get maybe two votes. spud and danirobi.
July 7, 2008
9:05 a.m.
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lencho_elias writes:
Obama in 08 !! Can't Wait!!
Can't wait to get my tix to watch Obama make History!!
July 7, 2008
9:07 a.m.
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HSTOWEL writes:
Who really cares?
July 7, 2008
9:11 a.m.
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Littleboyblue writes:
Hate and ignorance will be the end of all of us. How many of us can say that we are better of than we were before the current idiot took office? I sense a little bit of fear coming from the status quo folks...not sure what tomorrow will bring? Will I be safe? Will my children be able to receive a good education? Will I have a descent job? Will I be treated fairly and equitably? All of your self-imposed worst fears are materializing aand you don't know what to do...here's a thought...close your eyes, open your mind and just listen. I can't wait to see this man and his wonderful family heading off to Camp David in that posh helicopter!
July 7, 2008
9:13 a.m.
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Alive writes:
artstarzz,
Obama's worst handicap is having supporters like you. You talk like a mindless robot that needs a spell checking program installed.
July 7, 2008
9:31 a.m.
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Alive writes:
Wow! You sure showed me artstarzz. Can't argue with a guy who has a nice computer. I just hope my tax dollars didn't pay for it.
July 7, 2008
9:34 a.m.
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ThatGuy writes:
YIOTA writes:
Artstarzz, likes that snOwbama can change. That is not change, that is let stick up my finger and see which way the wind is blowing. Yes, just like the dems, I will change my position based upon the polls.
I am not a fan of flip-flopping, but didn't you just explain the definition of a representative form of government? Made of, by, and for the people? Listening to polls and what the people want is a GOOD thing, YIOTA. Lying to the American people and commuting the sentence of your buddy is the opposite of a good thing.
Just so ya know.
July 7, 2008
9:35 a.m.
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leatherneck writes:
Backward?
Are you kidding me?
Osama is against nuclear, against off shore drilling, against tapping in country oil banks, against money for alternative fuel research. If he is elected he will probably raise taxes more than any president in History. What exactly will he change? Oh I know, He will change the way we live now, and make us pay more for everything!
Anyone but Obummer in 08
08 more years
July 7, 2008
9:38 a.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Just another flipflop by Obama...
"We're going to the Pepsi Center. Change that to Invesco. No, back to Pepsi Center. Change it again to wherever the taxpayers will pay for. No, wait, Democrats promised not to charge taxpayers. Oops. Change that to Democrats WILL charge taxpayers. Wait. It's been 60 seconds. Obama has changed his mind again. Change again to Larry's Meat Market."
Just one more flipflop to add to all of Obama's other "promises" that turned out the opposite of what he was promising a few days ago.
July 7, 2008
9:39 a.m.
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Konyok writes:
Froward and Gene,
I support McCain and I ride the bus everywhere ... You'll need to find something better to bicker about.
I saw Senator Obama at DU. There was an on-line registration to get tickets, but it was actually open admission. (Now I get get fund raising e-mails daily ... )
It is understandable that they would want a larger venue for his acceptance speech, large events are the senator's forte. But, I think that they will be hard pressed to fill Investco field. It would be embarrassing for the campaign to have a stadium half full of true-blue supporters, but equally embarrassing to have a full stadium with Recreate 68 activists providing half-time diversions.
It's going to be interesting ..
July 7, 2008
9:39 a.m.
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ThatGuy writes:
Ok, YIOTA, I will bite... what is going to happen at the DNC that will be so bad that people will need Depends, and that is simply must be broadcast in HD? Is somebody gonna pee on the stage? Is Obama going to make a speech extolling the virtues of Stalin and Hitler?
Help me out smart guy, I don't wanna miss out by not looking for this stuff in August.
July 7, 2008
9:41 a.m.
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Alive writes:
artstarzz,
I pay more in taxes than you make in a year. Please son, spare yourself some dignity and back off. You are out of your league. You are making a fool of yourself.
July 7, 2008
9:45 a.m.
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leatherneck writes:
ALIVE:
You are argueing with a 12 year old girl.
She won't be voteing for anyone for a long time.
July 7, 2008
9:48 a.m.
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Alive writes:
leatherneck,
You're probably right. A racist 12 year old girl at that.
July 7, 2008
9:52 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
Oops, sorry for being a female Republican with an opinion. I'm not a big fan of McCain either. McCain/Feingold goes against my constitutional right to give money to whoever I want. Amnesty of illegals, um sorry but what part of illegal do you not understand?
It's the lesser of two evils, and McCain is my choice.
ThatGuy: Wes Clark is an idiot! He cried until they gave him his four stars oh and then he was let go 3 MONTHS EARLY!!!
July 7, 2008
9:56 a.m.
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leatherneck writes:
artstarzz:
I can't stop laughing!!
Do you and your friends get together, build a club house and pretend to vote?
Please quit your lies already, your not fooling anyone.
Shouldn't you be blogging on ICARLI'S Website.
July 7, 2008
9:57 a.m.
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jay writes:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol...
yikes...you guys are going to have to come up with some new campaign tactics. spouting conspiracy theories about "socialism" and "amnesty" and "racism" while running from The Track Record just isn't working.
July 7, 2008
9:58 a.m.
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ThatGuy writes:
Danirobi:
Hey, even idiots sometimes spit out something reasonable. Like I said, I don't ever want anybody to question someone's service to their country whether it is the Coast Guard or a POW, but he was right that being a POW doesn't quialify anybody to be president.
Konyok:
I doubt they'll have much trouble filling Invesco, but you make a good point on the nuts that will probably get their hands on some of those "community" tickets they will be handing out. Though something tells me they won't be entirely "community."
July 7, 2008
10:05 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
artstarzz for VP.
Obama 08
July 7, 2008
10:06 a.m.
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ThatGuy writes:
YIOTA:
Hillary's words "Yes we can." Not to mention vocal support from both her and her husband. Translation: They are supporting Obama. I can't stand Hillary Clinton if you want to know, and in my estimation she is only using the delegates as a way to get monetary help with her campaign debts.
As for why they chose Invesco, my guess is that it is because Obama is an electrifying personality and large crowds play on his strengths.
Oh, and good news for the McCain supporters: Obama's plane was just diverted for mechanical issues. Getting your wish early this year?
It is too bad that McCain won't be able to do the same since it is hard to energize a 70,000+ crowd when your mind is so far gone that you can't say more then 5 words without a teleprompter. Does that annoy the hell out of anybody else that watches his speeches?
July 7, 2008
10:10 a.m.
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leatherneck writes:
artstarzz:
YOU HAVE JUST PROVEN MY POINT!
IM STILL LAUGHING!!
DID IT EVER ACURE TO YOU THAT I HAVE CHILDREN YOUR AGE
July 7, 2008
10:17 a.m.
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ThatGuy writes:
Good lord... with the grammar and spelling from both sides on these forums I am surprised you 'tards even know how to read a newspaper to comment on the articles.
July 7, 2008
10:20 a.m.
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JPCHRONIC420 writes:
Obama and Mccain are both controlled by the New World Order. Neither one of them will bring about "change". How about you all save yourselves a headache and don't vote. And by the way artstarzz you do sound like a mindless drone.
July 7, 2008
10:20 a.m.
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leatherneck writes:
DevilDog!
Hey Bro, artstarzz doesn't have a unit!! He is a she, and it will be a long time before she can do anything like vote.
I should get some work done, Oooraa Brother
July 7, 2008
10:29 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
To heck with the convention lets get on with the debates. I can't wait to see Obama chew up the 80 year old robot. Specially when they get into McSames 100 year war at 5 billion a month. I think you cons should pay attention to that figure. Tax increases are chump change compared to that bill your kids will have to pay.
July 7, 2008
10:31 a.m.
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Konyok writes:
ThatGuy,
I think that they will have a hard time filling Invesco with actual activists with a relationship with the campaign, unless they bus in a lot of people from elsewhere. (A crowd that could be screened.)
If they open the event to the general public, to boost attendance and to avoid local resentment, they lose that level of control.
This will be a very high profile event. It will be the 45th anniversary of Dr. Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech and the Obama campaign is probably hoping for the defining moment of the presidential race. So, they are under a lot of pressure to make sure that everything is perfect.
July 7, 2008
10:34 a.m.
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jay writes:
"But 90% of those lost jobs came from the 'internet bubble', which grew unchecked in Slick Willies time in office."
grunter...i think my bs alarm just went off.
can you provide credible data to make that point or are you just pulling stuff out of your southern orifice?
July 7, 2008
10:38 a.m.
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malis writes:
Y'all notice that, on any article about the Dem Presidential nominee, the majority of (and certainly the most emotional) comments come from the far fringe of the ultra-right wing...people who would never ever even consider the possibility of perhaps voting for a Dem?
It would seem those folks might more profitably spend time trying to come up with a reason to vote for McCain despite their distaste for his historical positions on immigration, campaign finance, the religious right, cooperation with the Liberal Enemy, environmentalism and global warming, and taxes equal to spending (of course he's trying to repudiate those, especially the last, but we all understand).
My major national domestic issues are Fiscal Responsibility, Civil Liberties, Free Trade, and Healthcare. Positions on free trade and civil liberties push me to McCain (though I’m disappointed by his reaction to the recent Habeas ruling), but that's offset by his total lack of realism on Iraq, willful ignorance on healthcare issues, and independent analyses of each candidate's fiscal plans showing McCain's promotes the largest amount of deficit spending
Overall, I'm not entirely dissatisfied with what's happened so far. The Rs managed to nominate their only candidate who stood a chance, and I like having the option. I would note the only chance McCain has is to convince me (and therefore the majority of Independents like me) to vote for him, while still keeping people like Gene, danirpbi, YIOTA, MarineLeatherGruntNeck, etc. That’s still at least possible if becoming ever less likely.
Notwithstanding the irrelevancy of the last three months (and the next month—can we just fast-forward please?), August-October are going to be interesting. Most likely November outcome is a comfortable Obama win (which will include winning Colorado).
July 7, 2008
10:40 a.m.
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Diff writes:
leatherneck- one should not argue with a fool (as your see it) - those watching find it hard to tell who's who!
When you need to resort to making it personal attack - instead of making a VALID case for your argument or POV - you dilute your own position to ZERO.
Of course when you start with SO LITTLE - that does not take much.
01-20-09
Freedom at last!
July 7, 2008
10:48 a.m.
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GladysKravitz writes:
"Republicans blasted the change in venue. A statement from Matt Burns, director of communications for the 2008 Republican National Convention, said: "Not surprisingly, Senator Obama and his fellow Democrats are more focused on stagecraft and theatrics than providing real solutions to the challenges facing our nation."
A typical statement from the elitest GOP..god forbid the nominating process more accessable to the public. Just goes to show how further out of touch they are. So much for their "BIG TENT" ideals.
July 7, 2008
10:49 a.m.
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squeakywheel writes:
The only change I can believe in is that Obama will change his mind again and again.
143 days in the Senate, that is the sum total of his experience.
July 7, 2008
10:56 a.m.
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jay writes:
"type that into Google and have a field day with it!"
i did.
no credible data to substantiate your conspiracy theory, grunter.
let's recap the numbers just so there's no confusion:
2/61 - 12/69
Beginning number of jobs: 53,556,000
Ending number of jobs: 71,240,000
Total Jobs Created: 17,684,000
Compound rate of establishment job growth: 3.283%
11/70 - 11/73
Beginning number of jobs: 70,409,000
Ending number of jobs: 77,909,000
Total Jobs Created: 7,500,000
Compound rate of establishment job growth: 3.43%
3/75 - 1/80
Beginning number of jobs: 76,649,000
Ending number of jobs: 90,800,000
Total Jobs Created: 14,151,000
Compound rate of establishment job growth: 3.56%
11/82 - 7/90
Beginning number of jobs: 88,770,000
Ending number of jobs: 109,773,000
Total Jobs Created: 21,003,000
Compound rate of establishment job growth: 2.8%
3/91 - 3/01
Beginning number of jobs: 108,542,000
Ending number of jobs: 132,504,000
Total Jobs Created: 23,962,000
Compound rate of establishment job growth: 2.01%
11/01 - ?
Beginning number of jobs: 130,883,000
Ending number of jobs: 135,884,000
Total Jobs Created: 4,526,000
Compound rate of establishment job growth: .71%
with losses in the last several months...we now can say difinitively that McSame's policies have the worst level and rate of job growth in the last 40 years.
you combine that little ditty with the track record on iraq and the economy....and it's hard to justify a vote to continue these failed policies under mccain.
July 7, 2008
11 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
I wonder how many of those Obama "supporters" will have to be bused in from around the country, kind of like what they do for the Million Mom March, etc...
July 7, 2008
11:01 a.m.
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temurlan writes:
squeakywheel,
"143 days"
Not if you take out all the days he was absent, avoiding votes.
July 7, 2008
11:01 a.m.
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JPCHRONIC420 writes:
Denver taxpayers should not have to shell out more of their money for Barracks acceptance. Barracks campaign equals Mass Hopenosis
July 7, 2008
11:04 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_categ...
check out all the NV's (never voted) since Obama's been a US Senator...the guy is a joke.
July 7, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
Cracks me up that the cons are all crying about what the DNC will cost the tax payers but won't even flinch at Bush flying all over the country in Air Force One costing millions for fund raisers and campaigning for a guy that 8 years ago said he wasn't qualified for the job. And that is not to mention not doing the job he was hired to do. And boy with the way things are right now that is very important. But then again after seeing the job he has done so far maybe that's not a good idea.
July 7, 2008
11:14 a.m.
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jay writes:
"In addition, with so many companies outsourcing thanks to the Clinton Administration paving the way its not hard to see that less jobs are available in America"
bbbut clinton.
yiota...quick question. which administration in recent history saw the most jobs outsourced to other countries? which administration paid more tax breaks to corporations for doing so?
"Please post some real data, not just a bunch of numbers."
just because the data is politically inconvenient for you doesn't mean it doesn't count. nice try.
July 7, 2008
11:14 a.m.
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leatherneck writes:
artstarzz: Please give up the character bashing. I was serving our country in 89' when you were probably not born yet or still a baby. I have 2 great children and one of them is probably older then you. I was in Kuwait during the first Gulf War. You may only know of it as "DESERT STORM" (more like desert target practice) So when you come at me with your attacks you better pack a lunch.
Your not going to fool me with your childish antics.
July 7, 2008
11:17 a.m.
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squeakywheel writes:
What's the carbon footprint of this convention? They are completely replacing the communications and lighting, and the "evil" Walmart is making 6.5 million in the deal.
July 7, 2008
11:24 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
The old man is in town, only 30 comments. Obama will be at Mile High over 100 comments. That tells me the people on the right cant talk up Mcbush. So then they must talk crap about OBAMA. It is a shame.
OMAMA 08
July 7, 2008
11:25 a.m.
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Konyok writes:
Jay,
With each passing day it seems that Senator Obama's general election strategy is to promise a third Bush term. Iraq, Nafta, FISA, and, my very favorite - faith based initiatives.
July 7, 2008
11:36 a.m.
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Mulligan writes:
Where do I sign up for tickets? Obama's the man!
July 7, 2008
11:37 a.m.
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ollie writes:
And the whining on the right gets louder and louder.
July 7, 2008
11:39 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
leatherneck
Give me a break. I'm a Vietnam Vet and you probably wasn't even born when I was there. Save yourself I'm a war hero so I'm right BS. That don't hold water. I am glad you served but that doesn't qualify you to be an expert in politics. I also have found that over the years the Vets that talk war was usually some quartermaster passing out soap and underwear. If you want to beat on your chest do it where you can really impress someone.
July 7, 2008
11:40 a.m.
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jay writes:
marine grunter....i honestly can't believe you're defending the worst jobs record in 40 years.
but hey...you wouldn't be a neorepublican if you weren't good at putting lipstick on the pig.
btw, i'm not so sure that you can make the case that obama is mcsame...
not that i wouldn't try to disparage him thusly in your case either....but mcsame is firmly in your court.
hey, speaking of running from The Track Record...can you tell us 5 bush accomplishments that warrant a vote for a continuation of his policies under mccain?
July 7, 2008
11:41 a.m.
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Diff writes:
I really have to wonder just how much of the emotional venom being tossed around here in opposition to Obama is at some level or in some part because he is Black?
No one really wants to examine that question in this oh so PC world; a lot of the Black population, and I think most whites and of course the Dems want the issue to remain un-touched.
To even examine or talk about race is off limits - and Racism is being driven deeper and deeper underground - just because we ignore it - it is not gone. There are a lot less people who are overtly racist than 40 or 50 years past to be sure. But what racism their is is clouded and obscured and perhaps because of that even more dangerous (?) I am sure to there are those who support Obama in some part because he is black, it too is racism of a sort.
I support Barrack Obama because he has new ideas and he believes in the possibilities and the future of this country. Hope! One can disagree with him and some of his ideas - but I am certain he passionately believes in what he is doing and his position on the issues. I believe that his passion, and caring about people will go a long way to making him a good leader.
I Support him in part BECAUSE he has little experience instead of all the same old Wash DC people too concerned about whos back needs scratching today because theirs was scratched last month!
I believe it is time to try something DIFFERENT - because doing the same things, the same way, and yet each time expecting better results is insanity, and it has not done us very well in the past 25+ years.
I will be working for and voting for OBAMA because
-I believe:
We are in an unjust and senseless war and no more young people should be lost to it.
All Americans deserve to have access to health care.
I am fed up with the un-due tax burden on the middle class while the richest get breaks.
I am sick of the same old Washington crowd and the same political game being played the same with poor at best results
I believe in the constitution - and want a president who does also.
I believe in his integrity and share his HOPE.
01-20-09
July 7, 2008
11:42 a.m.
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malis writes:
A bunch of people posting here seem to have forgotten that Obama is running for nation political office…meaning he has to get the vote of a whole lot of really stupid people to get elected (not limited, by the way, to either the left of the right). That means he could tell the absolute truth and therefore withdraw; or try to balance his real positions and feelings with what he must say to get elected (a conundrum he shares with McCain of course).
To different degrees, I don't believe any candidate’s stated positions on:
-- Energy (ethanol, alternative energy, nuclear)
-- Their own degree of religiosity
-- The death penalty
-- Immigration
-- Taxes (or tax cuts)
-- Deficit spending
-- Privatization (of govt services)
-- Abortion (or late-term abortion)
-- Gun control
-- Civil Liberties (“Patriot” Act, FISA, etc.)
I don't blame them for this—it’s not their fault, it's the fault of the electorate (in other words, us). Now it’s up to us to try to decipher how their current statements and positions will translate to action in office.
As I’ve mentioned before, my current leaning is toward Obama (while still leaving myself open to being convinced by McCain). I don't put a lot of stock in the 'experience' argument—I'm not sure there's any especially applicable experience for President (that's my take on the "look where 'experience' got the Bush administration" argument). The thing about both Obama and Clinton was their unique worldviews—they both took an unprecedented path to the nomination and could not have helped being very different from any President of the last several decades. I think ‘something different’ is necessary and that’s my take on the ‘Change’ argument).
Although his stated positions are certainly more liberal than mine, I'm making a judgment that he has a rational pragmatism (the ability to change his mind based on new information) that would allow him to consider other points of view, and an innate intelligence and moral core that would guide sound decisions. My advice is to please make your choice based on *your own* understanding of the ability, intelligence, views, positions, judgment, and moral strength of your favored candidate; not on someone else's distortions of that candidate.
July 7, 2008
11:53 a.m.
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ollie writes:
Dat be Ole! You must be a grunt.
July 7, 2008
11:55 a.m.
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Diff writes:
malis - Great post -you brought this thread up a notch or two!
Like a little breath of Fresh air...
Thnx
July 7, 2008
11:59 a.m.
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dilligaf writes:
MarineGrunt
1968 Brownwater Navy River Section 543. Vung tau. (PBR= Patrol Boat River) Do I pass your test hot shot.
July 7, 2008
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jay writes:
sorry, grunter...it was konman that tried to say that obama represented a third bush term. my sincerest apologies.
to your need for info on obama's policy stances...his website provides a lot of very good data and info in that regard. i suggest you familiarize yourself with it before casting a vote in november... http://www.barackobama.com
July 7, 2008
12:02 p.m.
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jay writes:
"If you have a brain - Vote McCain."
well...if that's your position, gene, maybe you can substantiate it for us.
my guess is you'll fall short, but i'm willing to give you the beenfit of the doubt.
as mccain's policy stances translate to a third bush term...maybe you can tell us what 5 bush accomplishments warrant a continuation of his platform?
July 7, 2008
12:05 p.m.
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Diff writes:
MarineGrunt:
Bit of an over reaction to just posing the question -don't you think?
Why must you always resort to name calling and other childish responses?
I was not pointing at anyone's post in particular - I do believe in general there is a certain amount of overt racism that has come out against Obama (not just speaking here in the RMN postings) - but looking at the emotionally charged tone of some posts here I think it is a valid question to bring up -
But your reaction makes my point - it can't even be touched on without over reactive responses like yours - and that makes me wonder all the more... because if we bring it up into the light- we might expose it?
July 7, 2008
12:09 p.m.
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jay writes:
"Jay the numbers alone are meaningless without qualifying them"
which numbers aren't "qualified", yiota?
what about the worst jobs record in 40 years is still confusing you? (besides its obvious political inconvenience)
July 7, 2008
12:21 p.m.
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Konyok writes:
Jay,
You scoffed when I told you 3 months ago that Senator Obama would pivot to the center. I never imagined that he would resurrect Bush's faith based initiative meme, that is breathtaking audacity.
It is the great middle that will decide this election and the Obama campaign obviously is reading polls indicating that hope and change aren't sufficient in the general election.
July 7, 2008
12:24 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
jay...
Since you had to lie, you obviously recognize the weakness of your own position.
"worst jobs record in 40 years"
July 7, 2008
12:26 p.m.
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jay writes:
"You scoffed when I told you 3 months ago that Senator Obama would pivot to the center."
nope...didn't happen.
furthermore, "pivoting to the center" is a LONG way from representing a third bush term...as mcsame does...but that's a nice try konman.
i'm thrilled to see obama take centrist positions. it's about time we had a candidate willing to do so.
if you read the details of obama's faith based plans...he will not allow religious organizations to continue using discriminatory hiring practices. i'm a fan of that change. let's hope he pulls the leash a little tigher on these groups.
July 7, 2008
12:26 p.m.
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Diff writes:
MarineGrunt -
What an intelligent and mature response...
Your command of the English language is so top notch too!
(than - not then, Does not - not Do not)
Your so easy - you play right into my hand and keep proving and re proving my point - Thanks!
July 7, 2008
12:31 p.m.
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BroncoRick69 writes:
8 Years of Obama has GOT to be better than the past 8 years of total hell and being lied to, and of further erosion of our rights as citizens. Your boy G.W. bush doesn't give a crap what happens, especially after he helped fulfill his daddy's destiny by ultimately having Saddam Hussein killed. Talk about personal agenda at the expense of the reputation of the United States of America. It makes me sad for past and current war veterans, for them to think that they have sacrificed their lives for this?? Pathetic. Hopefully Obama can help restore whatever shreds of dignity and self-respect we have left as Americans.
July 7, 2008
12:54 p.m.
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dummas writes:
they're spending how many millions for a 4 day event to rip up the pepsi center...now they are abandoning that venue for 1 of the 4 days for a publicity stunt at invesco field, which will add millions to their already over budgeted convention, and they call themselves the party of change? sounds like the party of excess...
July 7, 2008
1:10 p.m.
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BroncoRick69 writes:
lol Yiota, Youre funny. I'll ignore your attempts to ridicule me, and give you a chance to try to explain what if any progress has been made since Boy George has been in office.
July 7, 2008
1:17 p.m.
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Diff writes:
MarineGrunt -
I needed a mid-day laugh fest on Monday -
The point - the QUESTIONs that come from my bringing it up:
If there is any level of racism - fueling SOME of the anti Obama rhetoric? If racism is being driven deeper into hiding by not talking about it?
My point about you -is you are full of YOURSELF - and have to resort to name calling and attacks aimed at anyone who makes a point you can't counter with the same old Rep lines and BS.
And forbid that anyone bring up a different take or point to discuss because it could take the lime-light away from you...
On Racism - I think the dog that barks the loudest has the most hunt in the fight. ( i/e racism - That means you maybe . . . ?)
So.. why are you so hung up on Herring fish? You must like the word - and it is a big distraction from the POINT of discussion that you seem to have nothing of substance to add.
You speak of adults - yet is always you who resort to the above mentioned type of tactic instead of making an reasonable argument in defense of your point of view - that seems childish to me.
So I attached you because I see you a being so full of your self and driving your opinions down peoples throats that you deserve to have your argument taken down a few notches by pointing out just how foolishly and arrogantly you come across - and it makes your argument - less valid by doing so.
Isn't Rush bo on? - you better go get another fill of that NeoCon cr*p to fill your head with for tomorrow.
OUT!
July 7, 2008
1:29 p.m.
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Konyok writes:
Jay,
I'm pretty sure that you and I had such an exchange, about the time of the Reverend Wright controversy.
I'm glad that you are willing to accept centrism, I guess this means that you won't be too disappointed if McCain wins.
The gamble of the Obama campaign seems to be that if the stated policy positions (not rhetorical flourishes, but actual positions) are close enough, their candidate will win the "beauty contest." That strategy worked in the primary and it's looking like they are attempting a hard pivot now to soften policy differences with McCain.
I predict that Senator Obama will soon "refine" his position on capital gains taxes ...
July 7, 2008
1:30 p.m.
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Konyok writes:
If Bill Clinton was our first black president,
will Barack Obama be our first black Clinton?
July 7, 2008
1:30 p.m.
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MrCrush writes:
Wow! That's really cool. Hitler and Stalin were crowd pleasers too!!!!
July 7, 2008
1:33 p.m.
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MrCrush writes:
Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN: 15% (no change)
OBAMA: 28%
How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN: 15% (no change)
OBAMA: 39.6%
How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money
earned on taxes if Obama or Clinton become president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.'
INCOME TAX
MCCAIN: (no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA: (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single makin g 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - t ax $38,750
How does this affect you? No explanation needed. This is pretty straight forward.
INHERITANCE TAX
MCCAIN: 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
OBAMA: Keep the inheritance tax
How does this affect you? Many families have lost businesses, farms and ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will not only lose them to these taxes.
NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA:
* New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet
* New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already)
* New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity)
* New taxes on retirement accounts and last but not least....
* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!
Can you afford Obama? I can't!
July 7, 2008
1:41 p.m.
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jay writes:
"Jay how do those numbers compare to the unemployment numbers over the same periods?"
interesting question, yiota. actually it depends on if you choose to include the numbers of those folks who are unemployed over 6 months. are you aware of the reporting changes made by the republicans and how they alter the overall employment numbers? i'm in the industry so i end up paying a lot of attention to the real numbers...real wages, real unemployment, real growth, etc...and I’m just curious about how much attention the average voter pays to this kind of stuff.
"If you dont understand how true data is ascertained then please do some research."
i'm not quite sure what you're talking about here. which data points do you believe i'm not "understanding"?
"Then why is your beloved candidate barely ahead in the polls"
another great question. two things.
first, not everyone votes according to which set of policy stances are best for the country. many are simply partisan hacks who vote along party lines no matter what kind of damage it will do to the country. you can usually shake these folks out of the tree by cornering them on actual policy stances and watching their arguments fall apart.
the current manifestation of the republican party is perfect for these kind of voters because they can't and don't run on their Track Record and policy stances.
to that effect, i hear a lot of "conservatives" whining about being abandoned by the republican party. the problem with this argument is that when you look at the track record of the modern republican administrations, you see that these same whiners have been consistently electing candidates that abandon “conservative values for decades.
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
back to the point.
second, obama has led the vast majority of this race...many times by healthy margins.
sure, there have been instances during which the race has become close. obama has absolutely trailed in the polls a few times. that said, after taking a look at the data here...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol...
...it's hard to make the case that this hasn't largely been a one sided race to date.
considering the report card delivered in november 06, there shouldn't be any surprises when you look at the data.
but then again...you simply can't underestimate the blind loyalty and sheer gullibility of the type of voters described above
July 7, 2008
1:48 p.m.
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jay writes:
konyok wrote:
"I'm glad that you are willing to accept centrism, I guess this means that you won't be too disappointed if McCain wins."
what part of the bush administration track lead you to believe it is "centrist", konyok?
"The gamble of the Obama campaign seems to be that if the stated policy positions (not rhetorical flourishes, but actual positions) are close enough, their candidate will win the "beauty contest." "
i don't understand your point. close enough to what?
"That strategy worked in the primary and it's looking like they are attempting a hard pivot now to soften policy differences with McCain."
you think there are a lot of policy similarities between obama's platform and that of bush/mccain?
really?
why don't you list a few for us and substantiate your opinion.
"I predict that Senator Obama will soon "refine" his position on capital gains taxes"
what exactly do you think obama's policy stance on capital gains taxes is, konyok?
"I have the ability to make a point and defend it"--grunt
i'm calling bs once again.
you said "90% of those lost jobs came from the 'internet bubble'"
you can't make that point nor defend that statement, marinegrunt.
July 7, 2008
1:52 p.m.
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HankRearden writes:
It would be a shame if it rained. This is actually a smart move for “He Who’s Middle Name Can Not Be Spoken. Considering Recreate68 and Tent City attendees, an open-air venue is wise. BHO can now claim Executive Experience.
July 7, 2008
2:01 p.m.
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jay writes:
marinegrunt, you're directly contradicting yourself at this point.
i'd love to see you try to defend your position that 90% of the job losses were due to the "internet bubble".
if not, please concede the point that you do not have the ability to make a point and defend it.
as a former marine, surely you understand that point of taking ground when you can.
July 7, 2008
2:01 p.m.
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Citizen21 writes:
artstarzz: You support a singer who sings a divisive song rather than The National Anthem, why am I not surprised to see that you have no respect for our troops! Men and women have fought for the way of life you enjoy today - and as a proud American - I will wave my flag high! Stop insulting people here and make a point. Yes, opening up the process to more than the delegates by moving the nomination acceptance to Mile High is a smart idea. However, it is a well-known, and widely publicized fact - the DNC and DNCC have struggled to raise money during this election cycle. And the Clinton campaign carried debt - how is a Democrat going to manage the national budget, if they can't manage their campaign budget?
artstarzz writes
If you practice what you preach you will never have a problem with me . i am not impressed with your list . All that list shows me is you can follow directions . You are home now . People don't care what you did or where you did it . The places you named I never wanted you there . I was fighting to bring our troops home before you was even born . So don't wave your flag at me . I didn't want the troops in the places you named . So don't jump up and down with you are fighting for my country . You was following orders . You joined . You got paid . End of it . At one time there was a draft . They had no choice . So don't give me the hero song and dance . You had a job you volunteered for . a real leatherneck would not be bothered by what he calls a child . Finish raising your kids . Be happy to be home . Stop fighting with kids . You will be ok . 2 meals a day is plenty for me along with a lemonade from my stand . I will not need a lunch for you or anyone like you . Learn respect . Respect will find you . Don't forget to vote Obama in 08 .
July 7, 2008
2:06 p.m.
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dilligaf writes:
MarineGrunt writes: (This comment was removed by the site staff.)
Why is it the hardcore cons seem to get removed by the site staff? Could it show & prove they are the hate party? Or are they just that ignorant?
July 7, 2008
2:06 p.m.
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BroncoRick69 writes:
Wasn't there a huge surplus when the Democrats were in office? and isn't there now a record deficit that will take decades to erase? Or is that just smoke and mirrors too? All of you republican supporters have nothing good to say about your own party, or the fool thats in office right now because you all know how badly GW has screwed things up. All you can do is come up with negatives about Obama.
July 7, 2008
2:08 p.m.
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Konyok writes:
Oh, sorry Jay, that wasn't as clear as it could've been.
What I mean is that if the stated policy differences between the candidates are small enough, then personality becomes the issue. Witness the Democratic primary season.
The one enormous difference was Iraq, now Obama has reversed the stand that he took in the debates - that he would pull the troops out within 16 months without reference to the opinions of military commanders, and has adoped the stated Bush position - that he would withdraw the troops according to the tactical and strategic position on the ground as described by the military commanders.
As MrCrush outlined above, Senator Obama has advocated an increase in capital gains tax larger than the cut instituted by Bush. (Parenthetically, a capital gains tax that is not indexed for inflation. Any asset that is sold, house, baseball card collection, etc. that merely keeps up with inflation will be taxed at the 28% rate.)
This is a difficult position for him to sustain, especially given his lackluster answer to Charlie Gibbons in the debate. (The revenue efficacy of the tax is secondary to the issue of "fairness.")
The two candidates are meeting in the middle, therefore either of them could be described as "centrist."
As their positions converge, what remains the selection criterion?
July 7, 2008
2:11 p.m.
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ShepDog writes:
Give him a Raider helmet, some pads and a ball. He can't say a word until he gets past John Lynch.
July 7, 2008
2:11 p.m.
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timeandagain writes:
It is amazing that the only breaks that ARTSTARZZ seems to take from this website are to run out to the mailbox to pick up her welfare checks... You have carved out quite a life for yourself there, Artstarzz...
July 7, 2008
2:18 p.m.
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Citizen21 writes:
BroncoRick69:
The economy is a cycle and each President inherits the problems or reaps the benefits of the administration prior. Clinton benefited from the President BEFORE him - and his shenanigans disgraced the office.
July 7, 2008
2:26 p.m.
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BroncoRick69 writes:
I seriously doubt that Bush1 was responsible for ANY of the economic positives that happened from '96-2000. I would have to say that no matter how shady Bill Clinton the man was, he still had a great plan for his country, and didn't throw the entire country to the wolves in favor of his own personal agenda like GW has. Using your logic, it would be safe to say that the country benefited mostly in the last four years of Clintons time in office based on what he accomplished in his first four years in office.
July 7, 2008
2:44 p.m.
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jay writes:
konyok, i again ask that if you believe obama's and mccain's platforms to be simliar...please just list the policy stances.
iraq is not one of them. i heard rush spouting the same rhetoric about "Obama has reversed the stand that he took in the debates". this is a myth. i'm not saying you got it from rush, just that you guys are spouting the same mythology.
"The two candidates are meeting in the middle, therefore either of them could be described as "centrist.""
i'll ask again...please list the policy stances upon which you think both are similiar and "centrist". i'm not saying you can't do it, just that you haven't so far.
do you believe that mccain's policies produced a "centrist" track record under bush?
"The majority of jobs lost in the late 90's to early '00's (say '04) were largely due to the collapse of the Internet bubble"
ok, so you believe the majority of jobs lost between 00-04 were due to the "internet bubble". again...i'm calling bs. i don't think that statement is defensible.
worst jobs record in 40 years.
just so there's no confusion.
July 7, 2008
2:48 p.m.
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jay writes:
grunt, i'd love for you to address this post before we move forward with anything else...just trying to be linear...as i think according to the ue data you provided you missed it:
actually it depends on if you choose to include the numbers of those folks who are unemployed over 6 months. are you aware of the reporting changes made by the republicans and how they alter the overall employment numbers? i'm in the industry so i end up paying a lot of attention to the real numbers...real wages, real unemployment, real growth, etc...and I’m just curious about how much attention the average voter pays to this kind of stuff.
July 7, 2008
2:52 p.m.
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frontpage writes:
Will the concessions sell beer? What can we do if its a rain out? How about rtd shuttle ride service?
Man, I wish these guys would look at the important issues for us "locals" before they announce this stuff.
July 7, 2008
2:57 p.m.
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BroncoRick69 writes:
Im sure they will sell beer. They want to make sure that the people that have anything to say will be passed out before they have the chance.
July 7, 2008
2:58 p.m.
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Citizen21 writes:
roncoRick69: I suggest you take Economics 101. And, my point was this...
It is a well-known, and widely publicized fact that the DNC and DNCC have struggled to raise money during this election cycle. And the Clinton campaign carried debt - how is a Democrat going to manage the national budget, if they can't manage their campaign budget?
And, the Democratic congressional majority was elected in part by promising fiscal responsibility...
July 7, 2008
3:05 p.m.
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jay writes:
grunt, it's the same difference between wages and real wages...between growth and real growth.
it matters because if you ignore the "real" portion of these arguments, you could say that wages have gone up under bush...or that unemployment showed historically positive trends under bush...but when you counter for inflation, energy costs, etc...wages have stagnated...as has employment when you consider those folks dropped from the rolls for being unemployed "too long" in the eyes of republican number crunchers.
see the difference?
regardless...do you have info to prove your position regarding the majority of lost jobs from 00-04 being in the internet bubble sectors?
July 7, 2008
3:06 p.m.
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chobbes writes:
Obama goes back to make a speech..... he's being rushed from the left wind move-on.com nuts. He jukes and changes his stance...being rushed again this time from the right radio hosts who throw dirt all over him, again he jukes, changes his stance... he's trying to scramble... he trys to throw the ball deep, but it slips from his hand and tumbles to the ground, and there is Hilary trying to pick up the ball... she trips and falls to the ground. My god, she is just *lying* there. Obama sees the ball bouncing and is mesmerized, he attempts to kick it out of bounce ala Gary Yepremian, and misses and falls on his butt, Pelosi screams, Reed tries to chart the course of the ball with circles and arrows but doesn’t understand the concept... this is just a bad dream. Barak has the ball no... he tries to throw deep again, but his aim is bad and hits Michelle in the back of the head and knocks her out. The crowd cheers wildly, even Obama. The Dems face another fourth down with no clear idea how to advance the ball. Instead they give it up to the GOP and continue their strong defensive game plan of su(ker punches and lies in an effort to get the ball back.......
July 7, 2008
3:06 p.m.
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Diff writes:
MarineGrunt - I cant resist ... Gruntie says:
"I bring this up because your only argument is RACE"
That was but ONE part of my original post - I am not accusing any one post of bing racist - and in fact I do not see any OVERT racism expressed here - am not defending the position - I simply brought it up as a point of consideration - something you seem to be unable unwilling to maybe discuss because you are too busy trying to defend you self and your attack tactics (?)
Please scroll up and read the rest of my post when I brought up the question..A question, a point to consider I was not making a point of it - I asked the QUESTION -
So by your posts and lack of direct response to the point I brought up (not trying to make it one way of the other) I am guessing here . . . That you think there is NO racism in any opposition, or negativity toward Obama and that it not an issue that deserves to be discussed. Do you believe there is NO racism toward having a Black President?
I do not believe I am racist - I try NOT to be - yet I recognize that I have some of prejudices about certain people and by admitting it - I hope I guard against it.
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