Obama: 'We only have one National Anthem'
Singer: 'I didn't expect that singing the song would garner this kind of attention'
Staffer David Montero contributed to this report.
Published July 3, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.
Updated July 3, 2008 at 4:15 p.m.
Photo by Barry Gutierrez / The Rocky
Mayor John Hickenlooper said Marie's actions showed a "lack of understanding" about the power of patriotic symbols.
- VIDEO: Watch the singing of the anthem (14 minutes into video)
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- NEW VIDEO: Hickenlooper says he was deceived
- AUDIO: Listen to Barack Obama's response to the controversy
- DNC: No shorter convention, Obama says
- NEW STATEMENT: From Rene Marie
Sen. Barack Obama said today that a jazz performer's decision to sing the "Black National Anthem" at Denver's State of the City speech this week was wrong.
"Well, 'Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing' is a beautiful song that has been sung in African-American churches and other events for a very long time," the presumed Democratic presidential nominee told the Rocky in a telephone interview on his way to North Dakota. "We only have one National Anthem. And so, if she was asked to sing the National Anthem, she should have sung that."
Obama's remarks came as the controversy entered its third day.
Rene Marie, the jazz singer who belted out a surprise performance of the black anthem, triggering a public outcry, said today that it wasn't a "self-centered and calculated publicity stunt."
But in a lengthy statement posted on her Web site, Rene Marie informs people about how they can buy her CDs.
"Once we receive the money order, your purchase will be shipped within 24 hours," Marie said in the statement.
The first half of the statement, however, deals with the anthem uproar.
"I didn't expect that singing the song would garner this kind of attention," Marie said.
"After all, I had sung the exact same song at the Colorado Prayer Luncheon earlier this year before a much larger and wider audience and there wasn't even a ripple," she said.
Marie said she understood how her actions could be perceived as dishonest since the mayor had invited her to sing the national anthem instead.
"But I looked at it a different way: I am an artist," she said. "As such, if I wait until I am asked to express myself artistically, or if I must ask permission to do it, it would never get done."
She also denied that she was trying to make a political statement even though she told 9News that she was trying to express how she left about living in the United States "as a black person."
"I am apolitical, choosing to address social issues through my art, not politics," she said.
Despite the furor, don't expect Marie to apologize.
"The last thing I wanted to do was cause trouble for the mayor and so I have apologized directly to him for any distress that may have resulted from my singing," she said. "As for offending others with my music, I cannot apologize for that. It goes with the risky territory of being an artist."
Finally, Marie said some people's assertions that her actions would hurt Obama's presidential campaign are wrong.
"Believing that would be a serious over-estimation of my influence as an artist," she said.
On Wednesday, Hickenlooper changed his tune about Marie.
Initially, Hickenlooper soft-pedaled the surprise performance. Marie had been tapped to sing "The Star-Spangled Banner."
But by Wednesday, the mayor belted out some harsh words for the chanteuse.
"The city asked Rene Marie to sing the national anthem at (Tuesday's) State of the City event. She agreed to do so. We expected her to sing the national anthem, and she deceived us," the mayor told reporters at a news conference in front of the City and County Building.
"Her actions show a certain lack of understanding for how strongly our community feels about patriotic symbols and traditions, and certainly overshadowed a day of great importance to our city," Hickenlooper said.
Marie's anthem choice immediately triggered public outrage.
Marie sang the first verse of James Weldon Johnson's "Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing," also known as the Black National Anthem, but adapted those lyrics to the tune of "The Star-Spangled Banner."
'Artistic expression'
After Tuesday's ceremony, Hickenlooper called Marie to "understand what happened."
The mayor said Marie told him that her song "was an artistic expression of her love for her country."
But in interviews with the media, Marie provided a somewhat different explanation.
"Her interviews with the media have conveyed different content and tone," Hickenlooper said in a letter to city employees. "While I cannot speak to her intentions, it's now fair to say the city was deceived."
Marie said she started working on the song about three years ago after she toured Russia and an interviewer referred to her as an American. She said she was "startled" by that reference and felt like she wasn't an American.
"I struggled with why I felt that way when I came back to United States because I love living in this country," she said, adding that she decided to rewrite some of the patriotic songs she learned as a child, both as a creative outlet and to reflect her black heritage.
Menola Upshaw, president of the Denver branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said Marie erred in failing to make the mayor aware of her song choice.
"If she promised to sing 'The Star-Spangled Banner,' she should have," Upshaw said. "I think she knows the difference between 'Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing' and 'O say can you see.' "
Hickenlooper said he respects an artist's freedom of expression.
"But in a tradition-laden civic ceremony that included a law enforcement color guard presenting our flags and the Pledge of Allegiance - making a personal substitution for the national anthem was not an option. We asked for 'The Star-Spangled Banner,' and that's what we expected," he said.
"We will do whatever it takes to ensure that a situation like this never occurs again, even if I have to sing the national anthem myself," Hickenlooper added. "If people feel the city of Denver or the mayor has in any way disrespected them, I'm happy to apologize."
The mayor said it would be "close to impossible" that Marie would be invited to sing at another city function.
Governor: Singer 'disrespectful'
Other elected officials took aim at Marie on Wednesday, too. On talk radio, Gov. Bill Ritter called her actions "disrespectful."
"I think the problem here is that she was invited to do one thing and she chose to do another, and that's unfortunate for a variety of reasons," Ritter said on the "Mike Rosen Show."
"I think it's a fair interpretation to say it's disrespectful," he said.
U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Littleton, "condemned" Marie - as well as the mayor - "for the national anthem debacle that took place during the State of the City address," according to a news release from Tancredo's office.
"I hope that this is not indicative of the 'state of the city' and the cult of multiculturalism and anti-Americanism does not hold sway over the majority of the people in Denver," Tancredo said. "It's also distressing because it appears to be another aspect of the racial politics pla guing this nation."
City Council President Michael Hancock, the master of ceremonies at Tuesday's event, said he's been the target of hateful e-mails and phone calls just because he introduced Marie. Hancock didn't know the singer and didn't know she was going to perform the black anthem, he said.
"She made a very bad decision," he said. "And unfortunately, the mayor and (myself) and other City Council people and other elected officials are bearing the brunt of her very bad and inappropriate decision."
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July 3, 2008
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July 3, 2008
5:18 a.m.
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happymike44 writes:
Well let's see you hired her to sing one song.
She could not even get the words right.
This should serve as a reminder to anyone who might hire her for their club.
She does it her way no matter,it doesn't matter who she embarasses or upsets.
If I owned a club I would not hire her because she does not seem to remember she is working for someone else.
July 3, 2008
5:29 a.m.
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ham writes:
When I read this woman's comments, I understand better how she could come out there and do what she considers another national anthem. She says "I love living in this country". Well, that says it all, doesn't it? There is a BIG FRICKIN' DIFFERENCE between proudly being an AMERICAN, and simply saying you love living in this country. Shoot, there are millions of people from around the world who are living in this country, but don't consider themselves Americans. I guess she's one of them. Next time, get an AMERICAN to sing the Star Spangled Banner. Somebody who loves America, who loves our principles and appreciates the sacrifices and struggles it took to get here. She is free to live here and not appreciate it, and that's how it goes with some people. She can be angry because of her perceived abuses, or whatever she angry at. JUST DON'T DO IT WHEN I STAND AND REMOVE MY HAT FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM, thank you very much.
The more I read about this woman, the angrier I get. I am claiming right now that she gets an invitation to sing at the Democratic National Convention ( it won't be the Star Spangled Banner) just to show how "inclusive" the Democrats are. Myself, I wouldn't want to be associated with somebody who simply "loves living here". I want to be associated with Americans.
July 3, 2008
6:02 a.m.
awhite411 writes:
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July 3, 2008
6:10 a.m.
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ColoNative writes:
Jazz singer expresses that they became aware of their distain for their native country only when called an American while in foreign country - Blind to her own prejudices gets invited to do a patriotic traditional hymn and changes it to reflect her views and we are suprised? Why are we surprised? I'd been surprised that she would have been faithless to her beliefs and sang a song which stands for everything she hates in this country. Her Dad would have been so proud of her standing firm for her beliefs while insulting the country he loved.
July 3, 2008
6:24 a.m.
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Michael writes:
Anyone see any parallels here with Michelle Obama's statement about not being proud of her country? I know slavery was awful. I know that racial discrimination is awful. I do not know what it is like to be black in America. But when I see people like Bill Cosby, Clarence Page, Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, J.C. Watts, Magic Johnson, Tiger Woods, Oprah Winfrey, Charles Barkley, and so many more proud, happy, and successful black Americans who appear to be very proud of being an American, I just wonder what drives this stuff.
July 3, 2008
6:56 a.m.
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fiesty writes:
I hope she wasn't paid since she didn't do what she was hired for. There's a time and place for "artistic expression" and this wasn't one of them. She deliberately used the opportunity for her own personal agenda.
July 3, 2008
6:59 a.m.
vudumom writes:
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July 3, 2008
7:12 a.m.
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sheepherder writes:
Art says: "I have to laugh at the poor who vote republican . If your poor and you vote republican because some singer sang the wrong song . You deserve what the republicans give you . Their crumbs."
Art, the poor have been voting democrat for decades...and they are still poor. Your sense of politics is a little warped. And to argue for either side at this point is fruitless. Mccain is more of a democrat than Obama!
July 3, 2008
7:26 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Let's see here Mr. Hinkenlooper, you employed an illegal in your restaurant, who murders one of our city's police officers and runs to Mexico, did he decieve you? Your party's canidate for president doesn't approve of wearing our nations flag, did he decieve you? Now some lady you invite to sing our nations anthem sings some off the wall tune instead. You know, Mr. Hinkenlooper, I think you fit right in with Recreate 68. I hope when you ask the next known radical to run down the traditions of our country, the people throw tomatoes at you and the radical, and they leave them in the cans!
July 3, 2008
7:27 a.m.
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Alive writes:
Did anyone hear a buzzing sound in here?
July 3, 2008
7:30 a.m.
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jason45 writes:
What a pathetic place Denver must be......
July 3, 2008
7:31 a.m.
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DenverArtist writes:
Yoiti, yadi yadi yadi....you talk too much and say nothing, and Novice??? aka novogk...is " Idiot" the best you got? Sheeeeesh there are people here who have way too much time on thier hands.
Yoiti yadi yadi yadi...it ain't about the Party... STUPID!..loll You missed the point as you missed your boat. You seriously have PERSONAL issues. Talk about the real deal-GOT GAS??? Yoita yadi yadi yadi does... and sure is full of it!
July 3, 2008
7:32 a.m.
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Alive writes:
Our resident jobless, pothead, failed artist is now telling us to "get used to" civil unrest. Who's going to do the unrest Ricky, you? Your thinly veiled threats are a joke and so are you.
July 3, 2008
7:37 a.m.
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SockRayBlue writes:
Vudomom
before you get a rock thrown through your window read this......
The black "lawn jockey". Today considered a sign of poor lawn decoration at best, and overt racism at worst, the lawn jockey was an important signal on the road to freedom on the Underground Railroad.
The name, and the manner of dress, has been corrupted over the years: the first statue of its type was commissioned and owned by George Washington.
The story goes that at the time of Washington's crossing of the Delaware, a 12 year old African American Joque Graves was at camp, a groomsman for Washington. He wanted to make the crossing with the army; however, Washington, aware of the danger, ordered him to stay on the Pennsylvania shore, and shine a light, so upon return the company would know where to come to retrieve their horses. After the surprise attack on the Trenton barracks, Washington returned to find Joque had frozen to death, guarding the horses, the lantern still ablaze and frozen in his hand.Moved by the boys devotion, Washington commissioned a statue, 'The Faithful Groomsman', to stand in honor of Graves at the General's estate at Mount Vernon.
It is ironic that this statue, commissioned and made popular by slave owning Washington, would eventually become a beacon for freedom for runaway slaves.
With spies and bounty hunters everywhere, even safe houses were not always safe. It became necessary to be able to convey, in a low-key fashion, what condition any Underground Railroad stop was in at any given time. The answer was the 'lawn jockey', painted to wear a red cap.
If a safe house was 'safe', and prepared to accept visitors, a lantern or an American flag would be placed in the forward reaching hand. If the house was under scrutiny or compromised, the lantern or flag would be removed, signaling the travelers to move to another house down the line. Further south, along the Mississippi, green and red ribbons tied to the statues arm - whether clandestinely or with the owner's knowledge - attested to the status of the owners of the house: red ribbons alerting danger, green ribbon announcing safety.
July 3, 2008
7:40 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Jason45, Denver is a great place to live; we don't have ghettos like Detroit, Chicago, New York, Miami, Los Angeles, etc., our worse neighborhood looks middle class even if it is below the poverty level. Rocky Mountains rule! Only setbacks are Boulder and the politicians; everything else is great!
July 3, 2008
7:43 a.m.
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Creative_N_Denver writes:
She got exactly what she wanted, free publicity. By changing the words, she is now part of many discussions and will be placed in Colorado history.
July 3, 2008
7:44 a.m.
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Alive writes:
Hey artystarzzz,
Why don't you cut off your ear and give it to a prostitute? Wouldn't that be all emotional and poetic?
July 3, 2008
7:48 a.m.
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vudumom writes:
SockRayBlue, Thanks for the info on the lawn jockey. I guess I should have looked it up. That is quite interesting. I came across it when I was cleaning out my garage. I didn't realize all the history behind it. My husband did look up how much it is going for in antique shops. Anywhere from $600- $1,200. cool!
July 3, 2008
7:49 a.m.
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LoneTreeLady75 writes:
LOL @ Jason45
I agree with you. It has become a pathetic place. You have more people up in arms about a womans poor judgement call than about the state of the economy and the war in Iraq. Yes, she shouldnt have sang Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing but the 400+ posts of racism and conspiracy theories linking it to the presidential election that were showcased on the previous story are ridiculous and show the sheer ignorance of some people.
July 3, 2008
7:50 a.m.
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arby writes:
Vudumom
I thought all of those lawn jockeys had been rounded up and recycled. Don't take yours to Junteenth as someone will destroy it and maybe you for being a racist. Only white people are racist you know.
Louie
Good post.
July 3, 2008
7:53 a.m.
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Wolfgang writes:
She’s now front page news locally, and is being mentioned on the national news. This was all just a big publicity stunt on her part, and it seems to be paying off. In the entertainment industry, there’s no such thing as bad publicity.
July 3, 2008
7:54 a.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
While you were complaining about those lyrics, you were turning black.
The bosses in the executive office have worked out another plan to increase their bonuses this year by laying you off.
More of your neighbors' homes have been foreclosed. The place is becoming blighted with empty trashed-out houses.
Benign neglect has enabled the Taliban and Al Qaeda to resurge into Afghanistan while keeping the pot boiling in Iraq. The military industrial complex is working out the numbers to see how many of your kids will be needed to keep those war profits rolling in.
Might as well admit it now. If your paycheck doesn't have seven digits on the left side of the decimal point, you're black. It doesn't matter where you ancestors lived five centuries ago. In the view of your double-talking leaders, your whole life is a commodity.
July 3, 2008
7:54 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
SockRayBlue, great post, most people never knew that and see the statue of the black stable boy with the lantern as racist. You still see them in the south, and today many racicts adopted the symbol. It has a lot of history, but most people only concern themselves with current events, thus history is rewritten to suit the day. There are many great symbols that have had thier meanings altered by time. There is an apple orchard in Grand Rapids, Michigan that upon the owners death held an underground room for slaves on the "railroad". The owner was a wealthy man, who for years kept it intact and secret, until his death in the late 1990's. Today it is a historical site. I knew the orchard owner personally, and I never new about it. Great postSockRayBlue!
July 3, 2008
7:57 a.m.
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SockRayBlue writes:
I'm putting this out there just to see if perceptions change a bit...
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080...
July 3, 2008
7:59 a.m.
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DenverArtist writes:
wow...what a bunch of Racists Tarts....to imagine there are people like you everywhere...that act like you...ummm see I didn't use "THINK" a bit much for you nutt brains. HELLLOOOOO !!!!! Some of you need to get off your lazy arses and get jobs. Better yet..."GET A LIFE" most of you are still wet behind the ears and still wetting your pants. Wouldn't last a day in the streets in New York or Detroit. All this because a person sang her ideal of the American Anthem...get over it already...Stick to the real issues in this country...GOT GAS???? Most of you are like FULL OF IT!!! Ive been reading the Rocky on and off, I noticed it's always the same Racists Jerks, spouting off the same redundant comments. Get over it already, she sang the song her way, it's done, finito. I truelly beleive that we are in a scarey state of affairs if you mindless misfits have spawned children. GOD SAVE US ALL!!!ohhh for you athiests...it S@#*S to be you.
July 3, 2008
8 a.m.
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LoneTreeLady75 writes:
Good job Sock. Some ignorant peasant will still drag it into this story though.
July 3, 2008
8:01 a.m.
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frosty writes:
Louie, thanks, very interesting and informative, rare on these post!
July 3, 2008
8:03 a.m.
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jacka writes:
Hickenlooper and Union City Hall - maybe next year they'll sing Solidarity Forever, Come and Join the Union or Comrade Fettler.
YES on Amendment 47 shouldn't all Coloradans have the Right to Work, paycheck protection and choice.
YES on Amendment 47 because Hickenlooper opposes paycheck protection rights for all Coloradans.
July 3, 2008
8:04 a.m.
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Professor_D writes:
It's sad to see Hickenlooper (and Ritter) join the public lynching.
July 3, 2008
8:04 a.m.
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peter303 writes:
Get a backbone John.
You should have led a group sing of Spangled Banner or America the Beautiful immediately after the lady screwed it up.
July 3, 2008
8:08 a.m.
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MaxInEnglewood writes:
Wow, this story is on the front page again? Must be a slow day for Denver news eh RMN? Hopefully you've locked the accounts of all the simple minds or at the very least will have the common sense to limit the comments today.
July 3, 2008
8:08 a.m.
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fiesty writes:
DenverArtist/artstarzz-
I haven't seen one racist comment here EXCEPT yours! If you don't want to hear the "same old white song", then don't listen or go! The situation has nothing to do with her choice of an ethnic song, and everything to do with the fact she did NOT sing the song she agreed to. She engaged in unethical behavior and disrespected the national anthem; we call her on it, and you say it's racist? Baloney!
July 3, 2008
8:09 a.m.
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bushmaster writes:
she deceived you as obama will deceive you
July 3, 2008
8:10 a.m.
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SockRayBlue writes:
Arby
I read further into the lawn jockey thing....
Some folks have reduced the impact of the story by trying to state "facts" and arguments to the contrary. I like the first legend. Another thing that I've come across is that in the 60's the black face had to be painted white. African -Americans still saw the, (I'm quoting this so don't get P O'd) "big watermelon eating lips" as offensive. The statues fell into disuse. Now, I've posted the 7:57 webpage and I'm very curios if things will change just a bit since this whole racial thing has been going on far too long.
July 3, 2008
8:10 a.m.
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fiesty writes:
btw, for all you slamming on the opposite political party, get a grip! This incident has nothing to do with politics, but rather one woman's stupid and unethical actions; you're just looking for an excuse to interject your political opinions. Sheesh.
July 3, 2008
8:14 a.m.
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MaxInEnglewood writes:
Welp I spoke too soon, some of the simple minds (Fiesty, Artstarzz and Busmaster) have awaken! Im not interested in the stupidity that will be displayed here today as I have a life and am off to enjoy my day off! Great job RMN, you've successful added to making this story something it really shouldnt have been, which is a big deal! Have a safe and fun 4th all!
July 3, 2008
8:20 a.m.
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SockRayBlue writes:
DenverArtist
"Racists tarts"? Certainly not a skilled word smith.
July 3, 2008
8:25 a.m.
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hragle writes:
Because of all the renditions, some fairly good, and some extremely terrible (Rosanne Barr), we will someday be listening to a canned version of our National Anthem. The honor of singing the National Anthem will no longer be offered to people someone deems worthy of singing it and singing it properly.
July 3, 2008
8:27 a.m.
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JackieMC writes:
Thought for the day..........
A taxpayer voting for Barrack Obama is
like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.
July 3, 2008
8:30 a.m.
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fefe writes:
wow you people are simply gone, gone ,gone ha ha toooooooo funny !!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA
July 3, 2008
8:34 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Get Over it people, we all made it to the next day.
July 3, 2008
8:36 a.m.
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DavefromDenver1971 writes:
I grew up in Denver in a racially mixed neighborhood where I lived with my grandparents for most of my childhood. My grandfather was a German immigrant and my grandmother was of Hispanic dissent. Because my grandparents were considered to be a racial mixed couple they faced discrimination during most of their marriage. I myself, I look pretty much Caucasian, have faced racism while playing at the neighborhood park. I, being the minority in this neighborhood, was ridiculed, beat up and made to feel as less of person than that of the other kids. This treatment was how I first discovered what racism was. Now I know I will never know the brutality that the black slaves knew nor will I know how it feels to be segregated on a bus or in school, but I do know what it feels like to be a victim of racism. I can't say that I have walked a mile in Rene Marie's shoes but I can say I know what it means to be an American. I believe most true Americans believe that being an American comes with the belief that we have been called by a higher authority to be the last great hope of humanity on this planet. I believe our history and laws show that we have grown to be a society of tolerance and acceptance. I can't speak for Rene Marie but if she believes that she is not American, what does she believe she is? Has her hate for what her race has been through become an all consuming thought to where she can't distinguish between what it means to be an American and what it means to be a person that has been victimized by America. I think she is missing the point of what America should be and can be. The land of the free!!
July 3, 2008
8:41 a.m.
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boomer writes:
When Lee Evans and Tommy Smith raised their fists on the medal stand in the 1968 Olympics in Mexico City, it was an awesome thing in those times of civil unrest...things were a LOT different then. They were not being racist, they were fighting for equality. I can't help but feel in our time here in the new mellenium, people doing these sort of attention drawing things are either 1) trying to draw attention to themselves for some selfish reason, or 2) racist.
Maybe Ms. Marie should form a trio with Louis Farrakan and Al Sharpton and go on tour...I'm sure it would be very lucrative for all of them.
July 3, 2008
8:51 a.m.
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Dhakala writes:
SockRayBlue, you're spreading an urban legend. Here are a few holes in your lawn jockey theory, courtesy of Wikipedia:
Neither the Revolutionary War nor the Civil War legends are documented. Mount Vernon's librarian Ellen McCallister Clark wrote in a letter to Baltimore's Enoch Pratt Free Library: "No record of anybody by the name of Jocko Graves, nor any account of somebody freezing to death holding Washington's horses, exists in the extensive historical record of the time." Nor do any of the many historical inventories and descriptions of Washington's estate mention any such statue. Moreover, stories about the Underground Railroad using lawn jockeys as signals are rendered suspect by the fact that red and green as signal colors meaning "stop" and "go" (or "danger" and "safe") were standardized by railroad signals during the World War I era.
July 3, 2008
8:52 a.m.
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parker805 writes:
artstarzz: Republican, Democrat, it doesnt matter. What this selfish woman did was wrong and I hope people will think twice about hiring her or even going to see her sing.
July 3, 2008
8:54 a.m.
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Deano writes:
This was a pretty decent publicity stunt. You can't buy this kind of attention. Look, what makes this country great is that Rene can say things like this and not face retribution from the government. We are all free to say things like this. What is ironic concerning Rene's point is that if she did a similar stunt in say, Zimbabwe, she would likely be jailed or worse by a murderous mob.
I think she gets her 15 minutes of fame here and then we should move on to more important issues. There are millions of African Americans who do amazing things every day in and for this country. I think we should be giving them an equal if not more substantial amount of attention. And we should celebrate the fact that just like Rene, we all have the right to express our feelings for this great nation, without fear of retribution.
July 3, 2008
8:57 a.m.
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Retread writes:
Folks, if you have not heard of it, the first amendment grants anyone the right to speak, sing, or write freely. If she wants to sing R-E-S-P-E-C-T on the capitial steps in place of the Star spangled Banana, so be it...
July 3, 2008
9:04 a.m.
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Sicnarf77 writes:
I agree with hragle at 8:25 a.m. There was a big controversy when Rosanne Barr did her take of the National Anthem and it upset a lot of people. Just think of all the poor baseball fans that were upset when Ozzy murdered "Take Me out to the Ball Game". Just imagine if they had invited Ozzy to sing the National Anthem someplace and forgot the words part way through? Who cares that this woman is black. Who cares what part of the political spectrum she is on. She did something wrong at a civic function, it's ok to do it at a night club, record, at a park, etc and be artistic, but if you are hired to do something and do something else isn't that the issue? She sure did make a name for herself doing this though.
July 3, 2008
9:07 a.m.
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temurlan writes:
Retread, No.
She was invited to sing the national anthem, nothing else. She said afterward the national anthem "doesn't work for her". If so then she should have declined the invite. So this has nothing to do with free speech and everything to do with deception, disrespect and inappropriate behavior.
She deserves all the criticism and consequences as a result.
I personally think she did this stunt only for publicity to help her career. That makes her an opportunistic and selfish loser in my book. We have all seen what happens to the careers of people who pull crap like this.
July 3, 2008
9:15 a.m.
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dirty writes:
Retread, You miss the fact that she was asked to, and agreed to sign a particular song, and decided to sing something different.
Nothing to do with the 1st Amendment.
What she wants to sing on her on time and one her own dime, is her business alone. But this wasn't the case.
Nice try at trying to muddy the waters though.
July 3, 2008
9:15 a.m.
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HSTOWEL writes:
Hey artstarzz, if you are going to continue with your mindless dribble would you at least attempt to use correct English and spelling in your posts?
July 3, 2008
9:19 a.m.
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fiesty writes:
temurian- hear, hear! This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, but rather a lying woman who agreed to something but then did another for her personal agenda and selfish gain.
July 3, 2008
9:20 a.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
Did half the people griping about this even know about the State of the City address before it happened? I think most gripers didn't even know there was a state of the city address, but once they heard about the National Anthem fiasco they got their panties all in a bunch.
July 3, 2008
9:21 a.m.
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jacka writes:
Hickenlooper and Union City Hall - maybe next year they'll sing:
Solidarity Forever,
Come and Join the Union, or
Comrade Fettler.
July 3, 2008
9:24 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Democrats can't even get the national anthem right and they think they can run the country?
I loved the line in the article that says she "probably wouldn't be invited back"!! No one takes democrats seriously - that's why she felt she could get away with this high school stupidity.
I'll take McCain.
July 3, 2008
9:24 a.m.
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jacka writes:
This official event was held in the Wellington Webb building lobby, it is an annual event, I believe they faced north with their backs to the old city building.
July 3, 2008
9:24 a.m.
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jr_mcmillin writes:
I consider myself conservative, therefore vote mostly republican. for this issue, I see no reason why the Mayor or city officials should receive heat for the inappropriate action of a requested singer. She made a poor decision, very unprofessional on her part. I do believe they expected this singer to perform the Star Spangled Banner. Her performance will give her 15 min. of fame, but she most likely has lost any chance of future city sponsored performances. But hey! she did it, so now she'll live with the repercussions of her decision. And while I like the man, Tancredos' comments were senseless. It's childish to make a political issue out of a performers dumb decision. Liberals give us conservatives enough ammo to take issue with them. We don't need to mimic their reactions to our blunders. They got duped by a singer. Maybe they'll be more cautious in the future.... Then again, maybe not. Time will tell.
McCain in 2008
July 3, 2008
9:27 a.m.
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temurlan writes:
PonchoVia, for what it's worth, whether people knew about it or not is completely irrelevant.
It could be the State of the City, State of the Union, baseball game or whatever.
July 3, 2008
9:27 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
McCain is older than dirt. When he farts dust comes out. He is older than Mr. Burns.
Obama 08
July 3, 2008
9:28 a.m.
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jacka writes:
mcmillin, the democrats foster this type of un-american activity.
July 3, 2008
9:30 a.m.
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fiesty writes:
jr_mcmillin - I agree in some particulars. It makes no sense that Hancock is receiving hateful calls and emails; they didn't KNOW what she was going to do. Nor should Tancredo be making this a political issue for the same reason.
July 3, 2008
9:31 a.m.
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jacka writes:
McCain 08
Hickenlooper and Union City Hall - maybe next year you'll have the Teamster Barbershop Quartet in to sing:
Solidarity Forever,
Come and Join the Union, or
Comrade Fettler
July 3, 2008
9:34 a.m.
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O_TRAIN writes:
Can I get a "racist tart" with frosting?
July 3, 2008
9:34 a.m.
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jacka writes:
Hancock was thrown under the bus by Hickenlooper. Hancock is also a known union butt kicker - he is for educational change.
Hickenlooper and Union City Hall (except Hancock) - maybe next year they'll sing:
Solidarity Forever,
Come and Join the Union, or
Comrade Fettler
July 3, 2008
9:37 a.m.
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jacka writes:
Hickenlooper and Union City Hall (except Hancock) - maybe next year they'll sing:
Solidarity Forever,
Come and Join the Union, or
Comrade Fettler
July 3, 2008
9:38 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
All people on the right do is talk crap about Obama, never talk up the old man. Why is that?
July 3, 2008
9:39 a.m.
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skz writes:
Wasn't slavery initially abolished by some Republican white guy? I think I even remember hearing or seeing a speech about it. Anyone every heard of such a thing?
Move away from politics and racism on this one. It boils down to patriotism. Remember how the Nation Anthem was sung and how you felt about it pre-9/11? And how did that feeling change post-9/11? I was pro-country before that tragic day and now you couldn't get me to say anything negative about this great country no matter who is in charge!
We all need to be proud of the place we live and work to keep it the great place that it is. Don't bring this country down with cheap shots about race or by rewriting our national heritage for your own benefit. It's just a slap in the face to anyone, of any color and of any background who fought and died for your freedoms!
July 3, 2008
9:40 a.m.
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Francesca writes:
vudu: I also have one of those. RaySock is correct, there is a huge misconception about the statue. Has nothing at all to do with racism.
July 3, 2008
9:43 a.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
This is not a dem/repub issue people. It is an issue about respect for our national anthem. Yes, the singer made a very poor judgement call in this case by ignoring what was requested of her. I wonder why no one in the audience didn't either stop her (pretty difficult to do cause they were wondering if this was on purpose by order of hick's office) or immediately after her song begin our one & only national anthem???
July 3, 2008
9:46 a.m.
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SockRayBlue writes:
Dhakala
I read that too. What went through my mind was that someone somewhere will always try to minimize or change something that is nice. Now, be it legend or fact, I like the story. I'll retell it. Everything in life can't have "the air taken out of it". Sure, throughout history the "truth" comes out much later. Again, if it is fantasy, so be it. We all need something nice to believe in or at least think about.
Reading through the posts in this blog there is some pretty strong feelings and obvious missed points. Some folks make mistakes and others try to goad others either for fun or sheer cussedness. My attempt was to defuse the situation and at least show that human beings are different and perceptions change. The web page I posted was an attempt to show that something that was seen as bad would or could be viewed as something quite positive and who, or what, would be the first to claim it.
In other words........I'm throwing stuff against the wall as fast as I can to see what sticks.
July 3, 2008
9:47 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
DenverDan writes: "All people on the right do is talk crap about Obama, never talk up the old man. Why is that?"
Maybe spending 5+ years as a POW prematurely aged him? Perhaps daily torture for his country aged him as well?
They wanted to let him go because he was the son of an Admiral - he didn't want to be shown favoritism and he stayed.
Integrity, Honor, Courage.
Obama talks about serving the country - McCain lived it.
July 3, 2008
9:47 a.m.
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vudumom writes:
YIOTA, YOU ROCK!!!!
July 3, 2008
9:48 a.m.
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Sicnarf77 writes:
artstarzz writes : she wasn't hired . She did not get paid . There was no contract .
She was hired, it does not make any difference if she was paid or not, being hired to do something does not mean you are paid. She didn't just show up and say, "Hey, can I sing?", she was asked (or hired) to sing the National Anthem long in advance and didn't do it. She was introduced as going to sing the National Anthem, and didn't. I still say it was a great stunt for her, I'd never heard of her before and probably won't listen to her now but I bet she makes money off of this in some way. Now if there was a contract, and she was paid a deposit for her services, I think the city can sue her for whatever was paid as she did not adhere to the contract. :)
July 3, 2008
9:53 a.m.
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Thetrainer090 writes:
If she was born here then she IS an American. I don't agree with a lot of the politics that go on either, but I'm still an American. I don't agree on a lot of the PC stuff as well. we all are part from other countries as well. The only true Americans are the Native Americans. I know The PC way is Aferican American. Does that mean I'm a Brititsh German Irish American and my cousins are Polish Irish Americans. NO we all were born her so WE ALL ARE AMERICANS.
I see that the mayor changed his tune when he found out how the public felt about it. Typical politican
July 3, 2008
9:54 a.m.
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BERSERKER writes:
I respect the woman for creating her own song of patriotism that she felt was very powerful for her.....
BUT
I DO NOT RESPECT this woman for failing to abide by what she agreed to sing. If someone pays me to do a job, and I get "creative", then I get fired. The fact is, you're brought in to do something, you DO IT.
If she was paid for this, she needs to step up and get the money back. Or be sued by the City of Denver for breach of contract.
And the sad part is that now the bigots (black AND white) will start calling it a "race issue". It's not about RACE, it's about the failure to perform a simple task that you agreed on. I'm disgusted.
July 3, 2008
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momof5 writes:
I'm trying to figure out what is so difficult about this for anyone to figure out.
1. She was asked to sign the national anthem which is the Star Spangled Banner.
2. She didn't sing the Star Spangled Banner, she sang another song.
3. It was an official function and she agreed to perform the song they requested.
4. On her own, she changed the song. Now, this is where it gets interesting. She says she was using her artistic license. She says she wanted to share her feelings about this country.
Okay, well, I say if you have the courage of your convictions. If you believe so much in what you did then why did you not explain to the mayor's office when they called and asked you to sing that you would be happy to sing another song, just not the Star Spangled Banner. That it was against your CONVICTIONS to sing that song.
You know why you didn't do that? Because they would have found someone else to sing. And you would have lost your 15 minutes of fame, your free publicity.
It isn't about race. I don't care if you are white, black, or anywhere in between. It isn't about politics. It isn't about heritage. It is about pride. Pride in this country and what the national anthem means to people.
You were asked to sing a song. You didn't. AND you didn't have the courage of your convictions to discuss your shady plan beforehand because you knew you wouldn't be on that stage if you did.
What you did was disrespectful. Self centered. Selfish. I agree, you should never be asked to sing at another city or state function.
Oh, and by the way, if you have so little respect for this country, perhaps you would feel happier living somewhere else.
July 3, 2008
10:02 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Cowboy
Yes he is a war hero. No doubt about it. Yes he will bring us war, war and war. What else will he do different than Jr. Maybe your better off talking trash about Obama. He dont like white people and dont wear a pin on a coat the real stuff we vote on.
OBAMA 08 Biticches
July 3, 2008
10:03 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
artstarzz writes -
"Viva René'
Viva La Raza
vote Obama in 08"
That's why you're going to lose come November. The American people prefer
USA! USA! USA!
go McCain!
July 3, 2008
10:13 a.m.
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American100 writes:
Yes Rene-thanks for letting Artstarzz show us how ignorant and useless your types are.
Artstasrzz just admit it. The republicans hired you to turn democrats into republicans.
You're so effing stupid it's funny.
July 3, 2008
10:15 a.m.
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Sicofdoublestandard writes:
Let's take this to the next step. They have their own 'National Anthem' Let's give them their own Country! Then they can try and sit around unemployed all day playing basketball and butchering the English language in Hip-Hop and see how long they can survive without the 'man' paying his EARNED money in taxes so they can be the sicophants on the world that they are!
July 3, 2008
10:24 a.m.
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Hyperbole writes:
There is a place called Iraq, which was invaded by America in 2003. Last month - the month of June - there were more than 40,000 jobs lost. Just yesterday, it was reported that Starbucks would close over 600 of its stores. Gas is at an all time high, along with increased prices in food and medication.
Now tell me, why are we being bothered with this nonsense? I am a Christian and not one of you neither on this message board nor in my private personal life can say or do anything that would cause me to question my beliefs. I have been married for more than 14 years and have always been faithful to my spouse, and again, no one could say nor do anything to make me leave or to cause me to stray [from my marriage.] Why? Because my strong faith in my God and dedication to my marriage is not easily questioned because of what someone says or does. Therefore, for this to be a problem or an issue is a strong indication that some people have issues about their own patriotism.
Just because I do not agree with everything our government says or does, does not mean that I am less patriotic it just simply means that I have an opinion that differs from theirs. And because I am an American, I have that right - a right to express myself as well does anyone one else.
July 3, 2008
10:26 a.m.
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parker805 writes:
Sicofdoublestandard, well said. The scary thing is we are on the verge of giving them their own country; this is if Osama gets in.
God help us all then...
July 3, 2008
10:26 a.m.
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Hyperbole writes:
After reading the sour notes from our government officials, I am reminded again why our Country is in the mess that it is in today. It is because of their reckless indecisive ways, we are now paying record prices for oil and our children are more attracted to gangs and violence.
Was Rene Marie paid prior to her own patriot song? Was there a contract between her and the government officials? I am so certain that Ms. Marie just wanted to sing; a song that was true and meaningful to her; an indication of her deep love for the Country that SHE KNOWS. I am almost certain that her devotion to the Country that SHE KNOWS and is aware of, differs from those with nothing but time on their hands. And so what if it does? Are we that weak???
Did I tell you that our children are still coming home in body bags and those that do arrive alive, their benefits are being cut?
Councilman Charlie Brown said that Ms. Marie's performance "puts everyone in an awkward position." The only thing that I would see "awkward" is that it would force everyone to discuss/face the awkwardness of emotions, feelings, and beliefs and to top it off, race. Is it so "awkward" to have Blacks and Whites to be united? What is the pledge of the allegiance?…"United we stand." My personal understanding of the meaning "National Anthem" means to pull together. Welllllllllll, isn't that what we as a nation is supposed to do? To pull together in spite of race color or creed and/OR choice, beliefs and ideas. After reading/hearing all this nonsense, it is so obvious that we are more divided and that the words that Ms. Marie was expected to sing, truly means nothing! Patriotism? Samuel Johnson said it best: "Patriotism is the last vestige of a scoundrel."
July 3, 2008
10:29 a.m.
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davies writes:
Obama blah blah blah. McCain blah blah blah.
Hickenlooper got an education as to what happens when your philosophy is 100% tolerance and diversity, and 0% personal consequences. Someone came to his party and did whatever she frickin' felt like doing.
That's all that happened here folks.
July 3, 2008
10:29 a.m.
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denverone writes:
SKZ good post, with good points. I have directed my anger over this issue to many innocent people of race, and for this I apologize. I would encourage people of all races to stand together as Patriots, and to not support ANYONE that disrespects what our Flag and our Nations song stand for. Just in the last 6 years alone, so many brave men and women of all races have died together for me to have the freedom to post here, that I must say I feel a bit ashamed today.
We need to stand together like our military hero's do, as One Nation, Under God, Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for All.
The reality is folks, none of us are going anywhere, and together we are an unbeatable force.
Thank you to all the White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, and Indian men and women of our Armed Forces for your service and your sacrifice. You are great Americans and a tremendous example of what the rest of us could and should live by.
July 3, 2008
10:30 a.m.
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Justin_Credible writes:
Artstarrz,
You're (notice the correct usage, something you have not mastered) an ignorant boob. If you don't know the difference between the possessive "your" and the conjunction of "you are" which is "you're", you have no business posting with the adults here. Now go back to remedial English and at least try to use "your" little mind in an exercise that will better yourself.
No matter how insightful (or not) "your" comments, any credibility and consideration is lost when you can't use the language properly. So just shut up.
July 3, 2008
10:35 a.m.
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davies writes:
justin: What about Sasquatch's post about Hick's "slopy" appearance? Oh, the irony...
July 3, 2008
10:36 a.m.
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WestminsterJ writes:
Yiota- Her actions are very representative of your party beliefs.
Sure, just like former Rep. Mark Foley (the intern molester)'s actions are representative of YOUR party beliefs.
What crap. Quit just pulling assertions out of your @$$.
July 3, 2008
10:37 a.m.
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Sicofdoublestandard writes:
I thought the 'black national anthem' was sung by "lil Yung" or "yung lil" or some other mispelled variation of Young or Little, and that it contained the actual important lyrics to their society- Rims,Ho's,Glocks,gold teeth, and thumping their chest like Gorillas.
July 3, 2008
10:41 a.m.
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Justin_Credible writes:
Davies,
...and it cuts deep, wide, and often.
July 3, 2008
10:44 a.m.
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Citizen21 writes:
To all who support this woman, she disrespected our country. The National Anthem covers ALL Americans. By singing the "Black National Anthem" she asked for the very division and segregation which her parents fought to rid. I don't care how nice of a person she is, or about her artistic vision, what she did was VERY UNPATRIOTIC and disrespectful. Every American should be offended by her actions!
July 3, 2008
10:44 a.m.
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denverrma writes:
As a music educator here in the metro area, my students prepare and perform may different styles of vocal music. Artistic freedom is very important but an artist MUST realize that they are messing with, sometimes, beloved song material. There are some types of music in which the singer is expected to improvise...Broadway, Standards, Jazz. And then there are official, patriotic songs that should not be changed. Really, it comes down to the fact that Ms. Marie was HIRED to perform a song for an offical state gathering. She chose to deceive her employer. I hope it come back to bite her in the @$* and she looses some business and respect in our community. There are just somethings that we as Americans, yes a very diverse population, need to use some common sense with stand together on.
July 3, 2008
10:46 a.m.
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davies writes:
Sicof: As a white conservative, I wish to disassociate myself from the kind of content you are currently flushing down the "comments" toilet here. The black people I work with are as competent, decent and hard working as everybody else.
You sir exert vacuum forces.
July 3, 2008
10:46 a.m.
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gs writes:
Does that mean I can fly my Confederate flag?
July 3, 2008
10:47 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
All the people on the right are white freaks.
July 3, 2008
10:58 a.m.
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Retread writes:
You have the right to speak out against the singing, and I have the right to back her play..Now remember, where these rights came from? Her redition could not have been as bad as some of the other black, white, and others I have heard murdering the song with warbling, twang, speedy, slow, and otherwise disrespecful renditions...I have read the lyrics and found nothing wrong with her redition, it did not show any disrespect towards this nation, only truth..Some cannot handle the truth...
Where was the outrage when we all found out that our leaders sent over four thousand men and women to their deaths on false pretense? Where is the outrage finding that our leaders have led us into our enemys hands? Not here, we have to whine about a rendition of the Star spangeled Banana, sung at a function no one has ever attended, let alone heard of!
I and others have fought and died for the rights of Americans to speak freely, to be able to stand up for what they believe! If we let our own narrow minded, misguided ideas of patriotism overwhelm common sense in the application the rights granted to us by our forefathers, we have betrayed them, ourselves, and this great country...
July 3, 2008
11:02 a.m.
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July 3, 2008
11:03 a.m.
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Citizen21 writes:
ReTread - If you are American and patriotic, you sing the National Anthem! I cannot emphasize enough - The National Anthem covers ALL americans. By singing the "Black National Anthem" she is supporting division and segregation. The truth - TIMES HAVE CHANGED! Deal with it.
July 3, 2008
11:04 a.m.
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GladysKravitz writes:
So that we can move on from this controversy...I would recommend a listen to comedian Albert Brooks' "Rewriting the National Anthem" http://www.divshare.com/download/7448....
Have a laugh, and enjoy our July 4th weekend. After all, we are celebrating our freedom this weekend, even the freedom to sing other so-called anthems at inappropriate times/places, and make critical comments about it. GAWD BLESS AMERICA!
July 3, 2008
11:04 a.m.
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my3pugs writes:
A Republican wouldn't have asked a black person to sing the National Anthem, is that the solution? Only the certified patriotic are to be permitted to partake in civic life? Only the singer knew what she was going to sing. The party in power doesn't matter. Perhaps a quicker thinking member of the Council might have said "Thank you, and now remain standing while we all sing the National Anthem." Then move on, we weren't there to sing and recite loyalty pledges anyway.
July 3, 2008
11:08 a.m.
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davies writes:
Hey DenverDannyBoy: It's kind of funny that my 10:46 comment posted just one minute before yours, isn't it?
July 3, 2008
11:20 a.m.
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danirobi writes:
Obama is an opportunist. He'll say and agree with just about anything in order to get elected.
July 3, 2008
11:22 a.m.
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ShakedownCrews writes:
This is just the beginning. In my opinion, this is the result of the Obamination of the country: that is to say, that the left’s ongoing racially charged politics, inspired by the “would-be uniter” Barack Obama, is triggering a ground swell of Black Pride that will reveal how a large portion of American blacks do not feel American, have been indoctrinated with anti-American sentiment by so-called leaders such as Reverend Wright, Reverend Jackson, Minister Farrakhan, and so many others.
This will not be an isolated incident: it’s the beginning of what will become a divisive period in American history. In the same way that Hugo Chavez ran on a platform of being a moderate, democratic, “Christian socialist”, but later—as his power and celebrity stoked his ego and fed his messianic complex—so too we run the risk of having Barack Obama become increasingly radical as time goes on. It will become a feedback loop: his popularity will goad him into saying and doing things that will create a conflict, and the instinctual response of blacks will be to throw rebellious behavior in our faces, provoking more outrageous behavior like this, and in turn he will continue to think that his popularity makes him invincible.
The advances of previous generations are going to be thrown out by a bitter minority.
July 3, 2008
11:22 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
I will bet all the money I have that Gene, joff, shag, yiota,sas are all white. They come unglued anytime there is a hint of color on any issue.
July 3, 2008
11:22 a.m.
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jlstaud writes:
Obviously this woman doesn't give a rip about being an American. She said so herself. We shouldn't be surprised that she changed the words to fit her own selfish motives. Somebody probably should have been aware of this before all this broke out. What we should be surprise at is her lack of respect for the event she was attending. Who shows up to sing the National Anthem anywhere wearing a tank top. For crying out loud! It's a civil event. At least wear a shirt!
July 3, 2008
11:26 a.m.
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Betty writes:
It is so unfair to blame Mayor Hickenlooper for this womans unprofessionalism. The mayor wanted her to sing the The Star-Spangled Banner and she choose to go against that. Its easy to say now that Mayor Hickenlooper should of stepped in and had his security escort her off the stage. She had no respect for anyone else she deserves no respect. It is shameful that this woman turn away the attention of the accomplishments the city employees and city officials as well as Mayor Hickenlooper have done this past year.
This woman lacks self esteem and has poor judgement. She chose to create her own platform at the city's expense. Another incident of me, me, me attitude on her part. In the long haul this type of attitude does not prosper.
July 3, 2008
11:28 a.m.
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HateItOrLoveIt writes:
It's very inconsiderate that this paper only chose to ask a question which would make the singer seem negative when it was completely inappropriate for anyone in the town to send hate mail based upon the song that she chose. That alone would leave the whole rest of the nation thinking that the 'state of the city' was one of red-neck illiterates with little care for the cause of that day’s meeting- just the need for entertainment. I would like to think that few people are so bold as to take a stance of ‘hate’ based upon a song, but it seems that people are emotionally blinded by their own perceptions. The artist has said that she chose her song based upon the love that she has for her country- our country- and this town responds with hate? It would seem as if someone is insinuating a racial barrier that has no right to be brought up when considering the love that she expressed for our nation. Subsequently, the only hatred came from those who showed little respect for the artistic expression of love- or for the intention of that days proceeding (to get information, not hear a song).
Besides this, the main issue is that she didn't deliver what was expected of her. This has little to do with any political or social standings- so anything about Obama or blacks is completely uncalled for. If it's about the song, make it about that... but as for making a statement about the singer or otherwise comes out of complete ignorance or willfull hate. Internal hate can do nothing but consume the host, so an outlet is needed, but this issue is a poor choice for such a cause. Besides this, what level of moral development are these people who blow this into such a big issue?
July 3, 2008
11:33 a.m.
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BO writes:
jjonseof-
How long has wearing an "American Flag-Made in China" flag pin been part of our heritage? I live in a small town in a state that is considered to be more conservative that Colorado, and most people I know don't wear one. To me, issues with the economy, war, and social issues (regardless of your views on each) are more important than a flag pin and a photo of of an occasion when Obama didn't have his hand over his heart (also a common occurence among many I know) during the pledge/ anthem.
Gene-What exactly makes you more patriotic than others?
July 3, 2008
11:33 a.m.
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fiesty writes:
retread- freedom of speech, artistic expression, and "truth" have nothing to do with this issue. She was asked, and AGREED, to sing the national anthem. She didn't.
Betty- would have nice if they HAD escorted her off the stage. But then you would have the exact same lunatics blogging here insisting it was "racially motivated".
July 3, 2008
11:34 a.m.
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ShakedownCrews writes:
So Obama comes to the defense of the Anthem? This is the same guy who refuses to wear lapel pins and can't find his heart to put his hand over it during the singing of the anthem? Right?! This is the guy who's hubby to Mrs "for the first time in my adult life I'm proud of my country". Barry, we are not buying the Kool-aid you're selling. You are a flim-flam artist.
July 3, 2008
11:39 a.m.
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Justin_Credible writes:
artstarzz just doesn't get it... You vs. You're, to vs. too - 3rd Grade stuff at most. The only credit I can give you is that "you're" either "too" ignorant "to" know better or "too" stupid "to" care.
A Pathetic Mental Midget!
July 3, 2008
11:40 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
artstarzz
They dont want to be confused with facts. they have thier narrow minds made up. You cant reason with people on thr right. Keep on them kid!
July 3, 2008
11:40 a.m.
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July 3, 2008
11:42 a.m.
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TheNorthStar writes:
I have one question concerning Denver. Have they yet solved the murder of Darrent Williams? No. nothing concerning African Americans is relevent in Colorado. She messed up, if this were the good 'ol days, they might have pursued vigilante justice and put her in her place.
July 3, 2008
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skz writes:
How many African-Americans are upset that she also butchered the "Black Anthem?" You could argue all day that our Natinal Anthem was written before slavery was eliminated and did not apply to the black population at the time. She merged the two anthems together which really offends both sides. Where's the outrage?
Anyway, I'm not going to let this issue get under my skin. I'm going to crack open some cold ones and enjoy the Holiday that celebrates our rights of freedom. And since it's legal now, I'm going to by some more cold ones on Sunday!
Happy and safe 4th to everyone!
July 3, 2008
11:47 a.m.
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southernxyl writes:
"She made a very bad decision," he said. "And unfortunately, the mayor and (myself) and other City Council people and other elected officials are bearing the brunt of her very bad and inappropriate decision."
It's not "myself" in this sentence. It's "I". Leave out the other people and you'll see: "And unfortunately, I am bearing the brunt...."
July 3, 2008
11:49 a.m.
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beverly710 writes:
The woman is as lame as her hair do. She said she's making a statement about what??? Surely not about injustice and discrimination. She has black tv, black radio stations, all black colleges, all black beauty pageants, affirmative action, the main stream media,etc. If shes so unhappy being an American...shes free to move to Liberia or any other country that would appreciate
her anti-American sentiments. The mayor is a coward for just standing there like a fool and doing nothing.
July 3, 2008
11:53 a.m.
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KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:
They haven't solved TuPac and Biggie's murders either, and both took place in much more diverse communities. Using that as an excuse for Blacks being irrelevent in Colorado is a pretty far stretch considering We had Wellington Web as our Mayor.
July 3, 2008
11:59 a.m.
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Oh_Wise_One writes:
Is Denver Dan a moron? Dan, don't answer, that is a metaphorical question.
July 3, 2008
12:02 p.m.
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Alive writes:
Hey Ricky, your beloved Obama disagrees with you. How does that make you feel?
July 3, 2008
12:10 p.m.
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WhadUsay writes:
Again, People, this is NOT a race issue; it is NOT a political issue; it IS a respect issue.
Rene Marie was asked to sing a song - she said yes and then SHE decided to change the song without letting anyone else know. She didn't sing "I'm a little teapot". She chose to make her own statement about her own "love" of this country by singing something she was not supposed to sing.
If she had just asked to sing 2 songs and done the SSB and then LEV&S this whole thing would never have been an issue.
She used poor judgment, was dishonest in her acceptance of the invitation and disrespectful to everyone who was there and everyone who had read these "articles" because of her own personal agenda.
Nobody knows what her politics are and that's not the issue. She made a very very bad choice for very very selfish reasons. I'm sorry for that because from what I heard she has a lovely voice. Artistic expression should have stayed out of it -there is a time and place for everything and this was the time to sing the SSB.
July 3, 2008
12:18 p.m.
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Oroboros writes:
I guess someone forgot to tell the U.S. State Department there is only one version of the National Anthem. This is posted on the State Department website today (and has been for some time):
http://usinfo.state.gov/esp/home/topi...
During the last election, Bush was caught humming along to it. He then had to publicly calm the growing outrage by stating it should be only sung in English. Again, I guess the State Department never got the memo....
A true patriot loves the Constitution and the Republic it defines. The United States is not the flag, and not the song. If you truly love your country, tell me what you are doing to preserve it?
A song sung wrong is not a threat to the Republic. The decision of a "unitary executive" to suspend Habeas Corpus is.
The burning of a flag is not a threat to the Republic, but the abrogation of war making powers by Congress is.
I wish the most vociferous critics here cared as much for the Bill of Rights as the Star Spangled Banner. Our Republic can survive the loss of the anthem, but not the loss of the Constitution.
July 3, 2008
12:21 p.m.
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OhBrother writes:
vudumom-"I like to express myself artistically also. I have this beautiful old lawn jockey I have had in hiding for so many years. I think I'll put it out in my yard and share it's artistic beauty with my neighbors. Then maybe when Juneteenth comes around next year I'll set up a booth where for a small fee people can get their picture taken with it."
but this isn't about race?
slumber-"Wow! another blunder courtesy of the black community, how shocking, it doesn't stop at embarrassing their race, now they got to embarrass their state and country by "dissing" the national anthem. Priceless!"
but this isn't about race?
sico-"Let's take this to the next step. They have their own 'National Anthem' Let's give them their own Country! Then they can try and sit around unemployed all day playing basketball and butchering the English language in Hip-Hop and see how long they can survive without the 'man' paying his EARNED money in taxes so they can be the sicophants on the world that they are"
people agree-parker "Sicofdoublestandard, well said. The scary thing is we are on the verge of giving them their own country; this is if Osama gets in."
add this to everything artstarzz says but at least that person admits this is mainly about race. I appreciate Davies comments, that lets me know not everyone approves of this or just turns the other way. This is about race, plain and simple. Please don't deny the facts. People like sockrayblue want to change history and make bad things good (lawn jockey) and that's not so bad in theory. but please don't forget the truth. I also want to change things. by trying to change the usage and image of a word that only intention at first was to hurt and hate. The word N!gger is powerful and as a black man I will not let that be held over my head. I will say that word freely and openly and attempt to take all negative meaning away so the next time a sico, slumber or vudu type scream it in my face , I wont just have to say it doesn't bother me and take the high road, it actually won't bother me. The word n!gger has been around for a very long time and was never banded, don't pretend it needs to be banded now because its been nothing but hateful until recently.
Please review my post again if you are confused about the perceived image of racism in Colorado. or in the USA for that matter. It goes both ways so save the "still on a plantation" remarks. White people owe me nothing, brown people, yellow, blue, red all don't owe me a thing. I owe it to myself and to Americas youth to be able to honor the past (good and bad) and embrace the future while being a positive part of society. It's not just up to me or you, all of us together control the future and what history is made from it. 15 minutes of fame? No, all of these comments and all of the attention we have given her means Rene is now part of history.
Like it or not, maybe people that have a similar mind state will begin to "change" there minds.
July 3, 2008
12:23 p.m.
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fluxtube writes:
artstarzz writes: I guess I'm not part of the commuinty the news is reporting.
You're part of the "commuinty" too, every village needs an idiot and you fit the bill quite well.
July 3, 2008
12:24 p.m.
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Realist_79 writes:
So true, the singers actions were unexpected, unprofessional, and should have been transparent to those who invited her to sing.
At the same time, it is very thoughtless and senseless to tie Obama and the future of the political campaign to this INDIVIDUALS' choice. I truly believe that when Obama states it's "time for change", he simply means that he is a potential leader who will stand for ALL PEOPLE. THOSE WHO ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, so that everyone in this wonderful country can enjoy it. What this woman chose to do and why is not up to anyone to judge Obama and/or the future of America based on her actions. AGAIN, I DO NOT AGREE WITH HER CHOICE, (she has her own agenda for what she stands for obviously, and she indeed breached the agreement), I just don't think it should be linked to any one person or group in particular. To hold someone else liable for another persons choice of actions, that they had absolutely nothing to do with is not a good look. Can't we all just relax? Stop speculating and dictating each others actions. Let's stop pointing the finger at one another and leave it in the hands of GOD. He is the ONLY ONE who knows what the future will hold. Do trust that he already has it written.
Whether I'm black or white is not important. This is America, remember? So let us unite because we have much more serious problems in this country and the world.
July 3, 2008
12:25 p.m.
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intma21 writes:
For One , Obama as much as I want him to win the election , was a "Sell-Out" . He should have stood by what the lady did , should have been proud of what she did .
Two , It is easy to see that it is very "RACIST" in Denver . And what makes it so bad is that I'm a True Broncos Fan . The people there make me ashamed to say that .
Say what you want but , every time Black people do something different the racist in people comes out . How can people talked being a "Proud American" when the only "TRUE AMERICANS" are the "NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS" .
Who had the land "STOLEN" from them . Is the Star Spangled Banner their national anthem ?? I think you already know that answer !! So if anyone had anything to say about what happened , it should be them !!
July 3, 2008
12:29 p.m.
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Realist_79 writes:
So true, the singers actions were unexpected, unprofessional, and should have been transparent to those who invited her to sing.
At the same time, it is very thoughtless and senseless to tie Obama and the future of the political campaign to this INDIVIDUALS' choice. I truly believe that when Obama states it's "time for change", he simply means that he is a potential leader who will stand for ALL PEOPLE. THOSE WHO ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, so that everyone in this wonderful country can enjoy it. What this woman chose to do and why is not up to anyone to judge Obama and/or the future of America based on her actions. AGAIN, I DO NOT AGREE WITH HER CHOICE, (she has her own agenda for what she stands for obviously, and she indeed breached the agreement), I just don't think it should be linked to any one person or group in particular. To hold someone else liable for another persons choice of actions, that they had absolutely nothing to do with is not a good look. Can't we all just relax? Stop speculating and dictating each others actions. Let's stop pointing the finger at one another and leave it in the hands of GOD. He is the ONLY ONE who knows what the future will hold. Do trust that he already has it written.
Whether I'm black or white is not important. This is America, remember? So let us unite because we have much more serious problems in this country and the world.
July 3, 2008
12:29 p.m.
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BO writes:
jjonseof-
Good one. Very intelligent and thought provoking response. Instead of telling someone to look it up, why don't you take the time to educate (especially if you're going to come off like you know everything). If I look up patriotic, will that tell me how long wearing an American-Flag-Made-in-China flag pin has been part of our heritage? My guess is that many would answer since Bush began wearing one in 2001. My God- how did we ever survive as a country for this long w/o the wearing of flag pins? Have none of our previous presidents been patriotic? My question on patriotism was for Gene, since he was the one that claimed few democrats and no libs were patriotic. I just wanted him to back up his statement. I wanted to know what made him so patriotic. Pretty reasonable request, but again, you appear to have been educated in Republispeak (commonly known for twisting words and statements to fit an agenda).
Example-
Obama (roughly)- Iran isn't as big a threat as the USSR (past) or China.
Republispeak Meaning- Obama says that Iran is not a threat.
July 3, 2008
12:34 p.m.
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KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:
The people in Denver are not racist; however the people who post on the RMN are, and as such should not be a reflection of Denver's society. You'll find all colors of the spectrum in Colorado, and although we may not be as diverse as some cities, one thing WE ARE NOT, RACIST!
July 3, 2008
12:38 p.m.
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Realist_79 writes:
So true, the singers actions were unexpected, unprofessional, and should have been transparent to those who invited her to sing.
At the same time, it is very thoughtless and senseless to tie Obama and the future of the political campaign to this INDIVIDUALS' choice. I truly believe that when Obama states it's "time for change", he simply means that he is a potential leader who will stand for ALL PEOPLE. THOSE WHO ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, so that everyone in this wonderful country can enjoy it. What this woman chose to do and why is not up to anyone to judge Obama and/or the future of America based on her actions. AGAIN, I DO NOT AGREE WITH HER CHOICE, (she has her own agenda for what she stands for obviously, and she indeed breached the agreement), I just don't think it should be linked to any one person or group in particular. To hold someone else liable for another persons choice of actions, that they had absolutely nothing to do with is not a good look. Can't we all just relax? Stop speculating and dictating each others actions. Let's stop pointing the finger at one another and leave it in the hands of GOD. He is the ONLY ONE who knows what the future will hold. Do trust that he already has it written.
Whether I'm black or white is not important. This is America, remember? So let us unite because there are much more serious problems in this country and the world.
July 3, 2008
12:41 p.m.
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KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:
The Right wing, war-monger, Nut-jobs in here try to stir the pot and get underneith the skin like the anoying splinters they are. You'll find individuals here who don't think we are in a recession, who think that global warming is a trend (however none were around during the last trend), who think there's no energy crisis, and beleive that it's an issue of supply and demand vs. 80-90% increases you see the oil industry continues to capitalize on year to year. These are the individuals who are followers not leaders. They let their party think for them rather than think for themselves. Every statistic you'll find them provide is a direct insert or direct quote from a RIGHT WING site or publication.
July 3, 2008
12:49 p.m.
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AirMax95 writes:
I think some men might start eating more and more watermelon, read that it works like viagra, black men have known this all along, and just think we may end up with a black president who may know of other hidden treasures for all of us to enjoy, black and white!
Seriously though, some of the people on here are hilarious to me.
July 3, 2008
12:54 p.m.
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AirMax95 writes:
Know -
There are many different levels of racism. Just because you are not witnessing rodney king beatings every day in denver, doesn't mean racism doesn't exist.
July 3, 2008
1:01 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
intma21 - you must be another person so hateful that they assume hate must be everyone else's motivation.
For the last time, being racist has nothing to do with disagreeing what this woman did! She acted in a dishonest and unethical manner by agreeing to do one thing, but then doing another for selfish reasons and a personal agenda. Are you saying that just because someone is black (or whatever minority you pick) that anything they do is excusable? That they don't need to be held to their word?
We would be just as upset if someone white got up there and sang the lyrics to Sesame Street to the music, after agreeing to sing the National Anthem. Breaking your word, (or giving it with the clear intention of not following it), and disrespecting the National Anthem are rehensible regardless of your color. Period. So is the lack of contrition and apology on her part. Don't try to come up with nebulous reasons as to why it's okay she did what she did.
July 3, 2008
1:19 p.m.
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Justin_Credible writes:
Rene Marie is a racist ingrate.
May she wallow in her self created hell.
July 3, 2008
1:27 p.m.
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denvergirl80205 writes:
Artstarzz wrote: People in Denver will not vote for Obama because he is black .
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People should stop making this a racist issue. She agreed to sing the National Anthem and then did not.
Could you rephrase that to say "some" people will not vote for - and not generalize.
For the record (and maybe opening a can of worms here) I will not be voting for Obama this fall; because I am card carrying Republican. No forum discussion will change my political beliefs. :)
July 3, 2008
1:28 p.m.
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Justin_Credible writes:
Art,
You are an excellent example of why kids should stay in school.
Please refrain from posting your moronic and ignorant diatribes with the big kids here... Now, run along with your 2nd Grade education and have mommy make you some jell-o.
Maybe you've been hitting the books... at least you didn't misspell anything in the last post.
July 3, 2008
1:36 p.m.
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DavefromDenver1971 writes:
I can't say that I have walked a mile in Rene Marie's shoes but I can say I know what it means to be an American. I believe most true Americans believe that being an American comes with the belief that we have been called by a higher authority to be the last great hope of humanity on this planet. I believe our history and laws show that we have grown to be a society of tolerance and acceptance. I can't speak for Rene Marie but if she believes that she is not American, what does she believe she is? She says she loves living here but for some reason she thinks that being american is a bad thing. Has her hate for what the black race has been through become an all consuming thought to where she can't distinguish between what it means to be an American and what it means to be a person that has been victimized by America. I think she is missing the point of what America should be and can be. The land of the free!!
July 3, 2008
1:37 p.m.
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Realist_79 writes:
So true, the singers actions were unexpected, unprofessional, and should have been transparent to those who invited her to sing...........
At the same time, it is very thoughtless and senseless to tie Obama and the future of the political campaign to this INDIVIDUALS' choice. I truly believe that when Obama states it's "time for change", he simply means that he is a potential leader who will stand for ALL PEOPLE. THOSE WHO ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, so that everyone in this wonderful country can enjoy it. What this woman chose to do and why is not up to anyone to judge Obama and/or the future of America based on her actions. AGAIN, I DO NOT AGREE WITH HER CHOICE, (she has her own agenda for what she stands for obviously, and she indeed breached the agreement), I just don't think it should be linked to any one person or group in particular. To hold someone else liable for another persons choice of actions, that they had absolutely nothing to do with is not a good look. Can't we all just relax? Stop speculating and dictating each others actions. Let's stop pointing the finger at one another and leave it in the hands of GOD. He is the ONLY ONE who knows what the future will hold. Do trust that he already has it written.
Whether I'm black or white is not important. This is America, remember? So let us unite because there are much more serious problems in this country and the world.
July 3, 2008
1:39 p.m.
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benzing writes:
So, did anyone listed to the State of the City? How did it go?
July 3, 2008
1:41 p.m.
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Realist_79 writes:
It is very thoughtless and senseless to tie Obama and the future of the political campaign to this INDIVIDUALS' choice. I truly believe that when Obama states it's "time for change", he simply means that he is a potential leader who will stand for ALL PEOPLE. THOSE WHO ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, so that everyone in this wonderful country can enjoy it. What this woman chose to do and why is not up to anyone to judge Obama and/or the future of America based on her actions. AGAIN, I DO NOT AGREE WITH HER CHOICE, (she has her own agenda for what she stands for obviously, and she indeed breached the agreement), I just don't think it should be linked to any one person or group in particular. To hold someone else liable for another persons choice of actions, that they had absolutely nothing to do with is not a good look. Can't we all just relax? Stop speculating and dictating each others actions. Let's stop pointing the finger at one another and leave it in the hands of GOD. He is the ONLY ONE who knows what the future will hold. Do trust that he already has it written.
Whether I'm black or white is not important. This is America, remember? So let us unite because there are much more serious problems in this country and the world.
July 3, 2008
1:41 p.m.
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benzing writes:
sorry, "listen to the State of the City", of course
July 3, 2008
1:49 p.m.
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OhBrother writes:
again-
vudumom-"I like to express myself artistically also. I have this beautiful old lawn jockey I have had in hiding for so many years. I think I'll put it out in my yard and share it's artistic beauty with my neighbors. Then maybe when Juneteenth comes around next year I'll set up a booth where for a small fee people can get their picture taken with it."
but this isn't about race?
slumber-"Wow! another blunder courtesy of the black community, how shocking, it doesn't stop at embarrassing their race, now they got to embarrass their state and country by "dissing" the national anthem. Priceless!"
but this isn't about race?
sico-"Let's take this to the next step. They have their own 'National Anthem' Let's give them their own Country! Then they can try and sit around unemployed all day playing basketball and butchering the English language in Hip-Hop and see how long they can survive without the 'man' paying his EARNED money in taxes so they can be the sicophants on the world that they are"
people agree-parker "Sicofdoublestandard, well said. The scary thing is we are on the verge of giving them their own country; this is if Osama gets in."
add this to everything artstarzz says but at least that person admits this is mainly about race. I appreciate Davies comments, that lets me know not everyone approves of this or just turns the other way. This is about race, plain and simple. Please don't deny the facts. People like sockrayblue want to change history and make bad things good (lawn jockey) and that's not so bad in theory. but please don't forget the truth. I also want to change things. by trying to change the usage and image of a word that only intention at first was to hurt and hate. The word N!gger is powerful and as a black man I will not let that be held over my head. I will say that word freely and openly and attempt to take all negative meaning away so the next time a sico, slumber or vudu type scream it in my face , I wont just have to say it doesn't bother me and take the high road, it actually won't bother me. The word n!gger has been around for a very long time and was never banded, don't pretend it needs to be banded now because its been nothing but hateful until recently.
Please review my post again if you are confused about the perceived image of racism in Colorado. or in the USA for that matter. It goes both ways so save the "still on a plantation" remarks. White people owe me nothing, brown people, yellow, blue, red all don't owe me a thing. I owe it to myself and to Americas youth to be able to honor the past (good and bad) and embrace the future while being a positive part of society. It's not just up to me or you, all of us together control the future and what history is made from it. 15 minutes of fame? No, all of these comments and all of the attention we have given her means Rene is now part of history.
Like it or not, maybe people that have a similar mind state will begin to "change" there minds.
July 3, 2008
1:51 p.m.
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DenverArtist writes:
Ommmmgggd...you fools are still at it...Give it up already! The Lady Sang the Blues...nooo The Love Boat Theme...ahhhh noooo...ohhh yaaa The American Anthem! Hell half of you fools don't even know the words. You surely don't act like Americans should. Instead you attack each other for the way a person writes, political veiws, even the color of skin. Well...NEWSFLASH!!! You are All BLACK!!! Yaaaa...do your homework. Yes I'm an Artist...I don't condon what Marie did...but she did it, so what? Does she pay your bills? Do you pay hers? Then shut up already. You all need a hobby or need to get laid ...most of you have no common sense,but yet you think you do. Ohhh well..." Stupid is what Stupid" does. Happy 4th of July...if you have any idea of what it means.
July 3, 2008
1:55 p.m.
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DenverArtist writes:
Lawn Jockey's...Pink Flamingo's...Woman rolling her eyes...hand in the air like she don't care...finger pointing up to the sky around to her side...thinking about all these posts and sayin' "CLUELESSSSSSS"
July 3, 2008
2:06 p.m.
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DenverArtist writes:
Well said " Oh Brother" Sheeeeesh ...it started getting creepy thinking I was surrounded by ignorance.
July 3, 2008
2:09 p.m.
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WestminsterJ writes:
Now that Obama has clearly disavowed what this woman did, and stated that there is only one National Anthem, do you think the right wing nuts will quit trying to smear him over this incident? No, me neither.
July 3, 2008
2:11 p.m.
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skz writes:
jjonesof - You're correct. The people of Denver are so racist that they do not, in fact, vote for anyone without whte skin. Except for Pena and Webb, all of the mayor's have been white! I think artstarrz is on to something.... (or just on something !-))
July 3, 2008
2:12 p.m.
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DenverArtist writes:
ONE DAMN SMART ROCK ...eat your heart out.... at least I have an IQ...what's your excuse...yaaa figues...don't even take me on..I'll eat you up and spit you out like bad step child...go ahead..MORON. Hope you haven't decided to introduce children to our society.Good grief.Get a job.
July 3, 2008
2:24 p.m.
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DenverArtist writes:
My level of intelligence must not be too bad slick...I see you decided to spar with someone who exceed any sort of intelligence in that wee pea head of yours...like...so what if I use the word " Like" ..and what???...you have something against our youth???? Having a MENOPAUSE moment are we??? Get a Job!! I write the way I talk...you have something against people from ...New York...New Jersey...maybe Detroit??? It amuses the hell out of me watching you mabi pambi lil' wenches and weiners acting all tough. Half of you dim wits are either unemployed,don't have a trade,no education nor do you have any goals in your life...heyy am I close ...did I hit the nail in the head yet??? Find someone to cry too nutt brain. All I'm seeing in these posts are a bunch of " CLUELESS" individuals with plenty of time on thier hands...you included.
July 3, 2008
2:32 p.m.
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DenverArtist writes:
Ya butt head...nothing in that jock so why hold it ...close did I get it right this time?? LOLL !!! I just made my point...i win...LOSER!
July 3, 2008
2:36 p.m.
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Realist_79 writes:
PAJAMA PULITZER--
WHAT DOES THIS WOMAN'S ACTIONS HAVE TO DO WITH OBAMA AND YOUR RACIAL VERSION OF THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? YOU ARE ALL THE WAY LEFT ON SOME OTHER BS! I THOUGHT THIS WAS A LAND OF EQUAL OPPORTUNITY? OBAMA WILL STAND FOR ALL PEOPLE! NO MATTER WHAT RACE OR POSITION ON THE FOOD CHAIN! YOU WAIT AND SEE. WHY MAKE SUCH COMMENTS? THE TOPIC OF THE MATTER AT HAND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR RACIAL VERSION OF THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE!
July 3, 2008
2:37 p.m.
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dbrowsers writes:
Source: Modern American Poetry - James Weldon Johnson
"I will not allow one prejudiced person or one million or one hundred million to blight my life. I will not let prejudice or any of its attendant humiliations and injustices bear me down to spiritual defeat. My inner life is mine, and I shall defend and maintain its integrity against all the powers of hell (quoted in Skinner, 237, listed below)."
Awards, Honors: Springarn Medal from NAACP, 1925 for outstanding achievement by an American Negro; Harmon Gold Award for God's Trombones; Julius Rosenwald Fund Grant, 1929; W. E. B. Du Bois Prize for Negro Literature, 1933, named first incumbent of Spence Chair of Creative Literature at Fisk University; honorary doctorates from Talladega College and Howard University (Skinner 234).
Sing On! Sister! Sing On! Teach them how to love and remind them to repent from their evil deeds for America has slaughtered the plants, flowers and seeds. The barn is open wide and the roosters will have to die when the storm blows back again and God Almighty proves himself to be our friend! Make those who wish to chide remember the day the innocent died.! "God's will be done on earth!"
July 3, 2008
2:38 p.m.
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Realist_79 writes:
It is very thoughtless and senseless to tie Obama and the future of the political campaign to this INDIVIDUALS' choice. I truly believe that when Obama states it's "time for change", he simply means that he is a potential leader who will stand for ALL PEOPLE. THOSE WHO ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, so that everyone in this wonderful country can enjoy it. What this woman chose to do and why is not up to anyone to judge Obama and/or the future of America based on her actions. AGAIN, I DO NOT AGREE WITH HER CHOICE, (she has her own agenda for what she stands for obviously, and she indeed breached the agreement), I just don't think it should be linked to any one person or group in particular. To hold someone else liable for another persons choice of actions, that they had absolutely nothing to do with is not a good look. Can't we all just relax? Stop speculating and dictating each others actions. Let's stop pointing the finger at one another and leave it in the hands of GOD. He is the ONLY ONE who knows what the future will hold. Do trust that he already has it written.
Whether I'm black or white is not important. This is America, remember? So let us unite because there are much more serious problems in this country and the world.
July 3, 2008
2:43 p.m.
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Voutyblonde writes:
René Marie used racism to garner self-promotion much the same as the racist management at KUVO use the station and the airwaves to further their cause against "white guys". This is why Arturo at KUVO is so vocal about supporting Ms. Marie in her poor, yet arrogant decision.
July 3, 2008
2:48 p.m.
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AirMax95 writes:
Can this get any better?
July 3, 2008
2:58 p.m.
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RoloFan writes:
Quite frankly, her response says it all. It's not about what her client (the city) wanted. It's about her. If she has some moral or political objection to singing the Star Spangled banner straight, then don't accept these types of offers. Otherwise, exercise your right to free speech in forums where you're not being paid or asked to do these types of ceremonies.
If she's a professional singer, she blew it. Anyone who might hire her would have to question if she's capable of providing the service she's hired to do.
July 3, 2008
2:59 p.m.
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AirMax95 writes:
Seriously, white people are now telling black people that there is no racism in Denver, CO? ROTFLMAO!
That is almost as funny as there are no homeless people in Denver, CO either.
July 3, 2008
3:18 p.m.
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3dogsand1devilcat writes:
The song Rene Marie sang is beautiful, HOWEVER, I don't respect what she did anymore than I respected Roseanne Barr when she butchered the National Anthem (who in their right mind hires Roseanne to sing the National Anthem anyway?). Total lack of respect and poor judgment on both their parts - completely inappropriate and offensive. It has nothing to do with race for me, but it appears fairly obvious that it has everything to do with race for Rene Marie. It was an honor that she was asked to sing the National Anthem - why choose to spit in the face of those who extended the invitation??
Artstarzz - it's a pity that you believe people in Denver will not vote for Obama simply because he is black... I totally disagree with you. The reasons I will not vote for him have NOTHING to do with the color of his skin. If Colin Powell were running for President, I'd vote for him in a hot second.
July 3, 2008
3:19 p.m.
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Alive writes:
As a white person, I have a question for non-whites who hate us.
What do you want from us? Don't hold back.
July 3, 2008
3:33 p.m.
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davies writes:
I love all you guys. Seriously.
I just hope I never meet most of you. Chill a little ;-)
July 3, 2008
3:36 p.m.
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me2 writes:
I like Colin Powell, but he, against his better judgement, said what Bush wanted him to say, defended this war, and didn`t speak out. Not the qualities I want in a President.
July 3, 2008
3:40 p.m.
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RightDownTheMiddle writes:
If you think that she somehow represents Dems, blacks, Obama or Denverites you're a grade-a moron. Period.
She's an idiot who did a stupid thing all by herself. To lump her in with any other group or organization only continues the stupidity.
Please direct your phony outrage somewhere else.....
July 3, 2008
4:07 p.m.
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Realist_79 writes:
PAJAMA PULITZER-
Whatever. Trust me when I tell you that life is too simple to get into an internet brawl with a simple minded individual like yourself. I honestly did not think about whether it was ALL CAPS or not because I was posting MY OPINION like everyone else. Since you are proving that you are indeed so simple-minded to want to brawl on the net over something so petty, rotate on this....I WILL TYPE HOW I WANT TO TYPE!! ARE YOU HAPPY NOW? YOU CANNOT CONTROL WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO IDIOT!! IF YOU HAVE NO COMMENTS OR OPINIONS OF SUBSTANCE RELATING TO THE MATTER AT HAND, DO THE WORLD A FAVOR AND CRAWL BACK UNDER YOUR ROCK!!
July 3, 2008
4:14 p.m.
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AirMax95 writes:
I just wish people could maintain a civil discussion, but that is like hoping Starbucks sells my choice for $2.00 instead of the usual $4.43.
July 3, 2008
4:14 p.m.
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BMat writes:
I am shocked and outraged - by that woman's haircut! Damn the song. Nevermind the song.
She wore the equivalent of a reverse-female-afro-mullet. That thing is inappropriate for any occasion. Let alone the State of the City address.
This is disrespectful to all of Colorado. She looks like Hector Macho Camacho with that spit-curl! Or Carmen Diaz in "There's Something About Mary."
If you're not apalled then you're not paying attention!
July 3, 2008
4:29 p.m.
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oufootball7XNC writes:
Reverse discrimination!!!!! Can you imagine if there were a "White Miss America" pagent, "White" enertainment Television, or a "White" National Anthem? Unbelievable!!!
July 3, 2008
4:44 p.m.
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MaxInEnglewood writes:
Whitney's version was amazing, I dont know why it would have caused an uproar.
July 3, 2008
4:59 p.m.
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AirMax95 writes:
OUFoot -
You forgot to mention the following:
White House
White Christmas
July 3, 2008
5:37 p.m.
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Retread writes:
Hey, jjonself, you are a DUNCE, you will probably have to look that up..It is plain to see your reading comprehension is at least at fifth grade level..I would like you to tell my father that his thirty five years of service in the Navy did not give him the right to say "Star spangeled Banana"! Petty little twit (you will have to look that one up also)...
Last I heard this was still a free country, although most of its population are becoming more shallow by the day...
July 3, 2008
6:08 p.m.
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redwhiteandBLUE writes:
The only thing Rene M. is guilty of is being ..RUDE. She should have sang what was requested.
Hick.. was deceived ? We'll remember that next time.
And for Artstarzzzz "VIVA LA MIGRA" (long lives ICE)
Happy 4th of July !!
July 3, 2008
7:23 p.m.
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Are_you_serious writes:
First of all this is REDICULOUS! It is a damn song people!!!! I can not beleive you would all waste your time turning this into something bigger than it needs to be! This includes the governor, mayor and public officials! Like we do not have bigger issue to focus on! Hickenlooper needs to be focusing on how he is going to get the rest of the money to fund this damn democratic national convention!!!!!! He want's to throw a party for hypocrite OBAMA and has no way to pay for it! I sure as hell am not! Democrat or Republican your all full of yourselves. I have yet to find a honest one in the bunch! WE are all screwed either way - get used to it!!!!!
July 3, 2008
7:35 p.m.
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downtownblogger writes:
I think there's a perception that we are at a historic moment; the first time an African-American might be elected president.
At times like these, sometimes people get caught up and the moment becomes a movement. They might take little actions that they believe are appropriate for their part of history. When people revolted in Tiananmen Square, or in the days leading up to the fall of the Berlin Wall, people were motivated to do things they wouldn't otherwise do.
So when Rene got up on stage and sang a different song, I don't think she did it for a moment in front of the camera, but because she wanted to contribute just like Rosa Parks did when she refused to give up her seat on the bus to a white woman.
Rev. Jeremiah Wright only got the notoriety that he did because he too wanted to make sure people understood the value of the moment. He chose that moment to make sure people knew the true history of black churches.
Now Obama may not have asked Rev. Wright to say the things he said; nor did he suggest that Rene sing a different song. But he is a symbol of the times, and I wouldn't be surprised to see much, much more of this, not because Obama said so, but because there is obviously so much feeling that "because of _______ then it is justifiable to do ________."
Examples:
Because I am so happy that Obama looks like he will win the presidency I felt justified to sing a song that I felt expressed the African American experience.
Because we are about to vote in a black man who has been a part of my church, I was justified in sharing the history of that church on camera.
Because of Iraq it is justifiable to _____.
Because of 100 years of slavery it is justifiable to _____.
Because of injustice in the workplace it is justifiable to _____.
Because of Abu Ghraib it is justifiable to ______.
And so on. Obama didn't ask for this. But I believe he has indirectly inspired these actions, and if elected as the first African American Commander in Chief, this will continue indefinitely. I believe that many historically disadvantaged groups will start to voice feelings of discontent with greater and greater passion, not because Obama asked them to, but because they believe any opposing authority figure will have to ultimately answer to Obama.
I suspect that the question for an Obama presidency will be whether he is going to remain silent when similar acts happen, will he encourage similar individual acts, or will he actively discourage such behavior?
July 3, 2008
7:47 p.m.
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amycakes writes:
Black National Anthem? Hmmmm... Exactly where is the country of "Black"? I've never heard of it yet they apparently have a national anthem. Will they send athletes to the 2008 Olympics? Will they play the "Black National Anthem" if they win a gold medal?
Another fine and classy performance by a typical Obama worshipper! Rene Marie just slapped Denver and therefore America in the face (just like Rev. Wright) and just turned off another million potential voters for Obama. Keep it up! At this rate, maybe Obama should go to the country of "Black" and run for President (and please take Rene with you)!
Can't follow rules can ya Rene? Just like your brothers in prison who just couldn't follow the rules!
July 3, 2008
8:45 p.m.
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commoncents writes:
Denver really needs an enema.
July 3, 2008
8:58 p.m.
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dragonfly writes:
Obama said: "Well, 'Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing' is a beautiful song that has been sung in African-American churches and other events for a very long time." He's obviously heard the Black National Anthem many times. I'll bet it was sung frequently in Rev. Wright's African-Centric church.
July 3, 2008
9:15 p.m.
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johnson writes:
I guess her gig as an "actress" is over. Can't trust her to read the script as written. The National Anthem is not a jazz tune open for one's interpertation. It galls me when I hear singers doing vocal gynmnastics when singing it at ball games etc. Sing it as written!!!!
July 3, 2008
9:17 p.m.
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nanbede writes:
I am completely appalled at her lack of disrespect for our country; there is no black national anthem - only the national anthem of the United States; what blows me away is that while this jazz singer was singing the WRONG song, Hickenpooper said NOTHING - not one person said anything; and then they all clapped. WAKE UP AMERICA - its time to stop allowing people to disrespect our flag, our country and what it stands for. This act is another small piece of chipping away at what our country is all about - now, because of artistic freedom, we will have...what? someone else from another country singing their songs as our national anthem? WAKE UP PEOPLE - SAY SOMETHING WHEN THINGS ARE OUT OF LINE AND AGAINST OUR COUNTRY - DONT let it happen like it did in Germany - the next thing the people knew, the world was over as they knew it. I know that if I was there, I would have said something immediately and LOUD - SPEAK UP AMERICA and protect your land!!!
July 3, 2008
9:48 p.m.
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Smarter_than_you writes:
How easy it seems to be for you losers to forget that we are a nation at war. This pathetic woman, this "artist," is nothing short of a traitor to this country. An act of treason, during time of war, is punishable by execution. Is that serious enough for you? This hag needs to 1) apologize 2) shut up and go away.
July 3, 2008
10:13 p.m.
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lancebergstrom writes:
Nationalism will be important until there is enough compassion in this world to take everyone's humanity into account. With that being said I think it is sad that any group (African-Americans, Latinos, Gays etc.) feel left out of the American "world." However, what this singer did is obviously an act of anger and I wish I could let her know that that will never solve anything in America or any country for that matter. When you lie to people and deceive them they will not listen to the message. They will only react as Denver and most Americans have. If she doesn't feel American maybe she should not be singing any patriotic anthems in the first place. Just my opinion of course.
July 3, 2008
10:38 p.m.
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commoncents writes:
I have a feeling that she is getting exactly what she was after, a lot of attention. It doesn't matter what race, nationality, or anything else. She is another egomaniac who found a way to blow herself up in her own mind by getting people to fill their days with her instead of something worthwhile.
Patriotism is more than being hateful to people, it is about calling out what you are patriotic to when it is wrong too. America is a has been in the world anymore because of people so easily distracted from issues that could really have an impact on the lives of people living there. If you fools are lucky you might be able to get jobs as tech support to people in countries with growing economies since your jobs are rapidly being shipped over seas. Then while you sit in front of the computer something worthwhile might become of it.
July 3, 2008
11:02 p.m.
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Cliffjumper writes:
I have to say I am shocked Hicky and the big O actually got the message that they can not trample the traditions and institutions of this country. I am pleasantly shocked. I wish Hicky had done something during the event, but at least he admits the disgraceful act this floozy committed. Tomorrow we celebrate the independence of this nation I am glad that these clowns at least know what anthem should be played.
July 4, 2008
2:45 a.m.
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Nikki writes:
This conversation is very interesting to me. I agree that she should have performed whatever song she agreed to initially or should have made officials aware that she planned to take ‘artistic’ license. I am a black woman who is extremely proud of my heritage, however I would have been upset had I requested that she perform at an official state function and she sang “Lift E’vry Voice and Sing”. "Lift E'vry Voice and Sing" is considered the Black National Anthem and is performed at a great deal of NAACP events and at black colleges. It is beautiful song that represents what many Americans black or white feel to be true about America. (LOOK UP THE WORDS) What disturbs me is the lack of understanding of her choice and her mention that she does not ‘feel’ like and American.
Given the history African Americans in this country I find it amazing that people still don’t understand our frustration and feelings of being devalued in America. It was just 40 years ago we were fighting for our civil rights. This country was built on a foundation that did not value people of color. Please don’t think that the success of Barack Obama, Oprah, Michael Jordan or Bill Cosby can erase 400 years of horrible treatment will magically transform all African Americans into flag waving patriots.
I am a 36 year old, educated Black woman and still face racism. Instead of being angry about her comments regarding ‘feeling’ like and American, it would be best if people try and understand WHY she made the statement. There are many African Americans who feel similarly Her statements are evidence that there is still a lack of tolerance and understanding between cultures.
July 4, 2008
5:24 a.m.
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Alive writes:
I understand what motivated her and how she felt. I am sorry the white people of the past were such aholes. I get all of that.
NOW WHAT?
I ask again: What do you want from white people? How do we move on? Do you want to move on?
Answer the questions, please.
July 4, 2008
9:19 a.m.
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pgoody writes:
The singer no more represents all black people than Timothy McVeigh or David Duke represents all white people. I find it offensive that people take her self-serving actions and use it as an excuse to demonize a whole race of people while simultaneously calling her a racist. If you find racism so offensive than you should decry it whenever you see it, no matter who is guilty of it. You have the right to vote for whoever you want, but many of you are transparent in your disdain for Obama. The only group in this country to be enslaved is also the group that has served in every war in this country's history, doing so in segregated troops until the 1950's. Blacks suffered the highest casualty rates in Vietnam, and are statistically over-represented in the armed forces, today, so please stop the attack on black Americans' patriotism. It doesn't hold water. I also find it curious that most of you can say nothing positive in your support for McCain so you resort to ridiculous arguments you got right from the idiots at Fox News.
July 4, 2008
12:42 p.m.
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American100 writes:
Obama is full of cr#p.
Expect to see lots more of this kind of garbage if he makes it to office.
July 4, 2008
12:49 p.m.
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redwhiteandBLUE writes:
Happy 4th of JULY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 4, 2008
12:55 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
As you can see from most of these posts, what this artist did was divide people even further. Only she knows what she was thinking, but she added fuel to the fire for sure. I hope she is proud of the fact that her artistic freedom breeds more hate and opposition in the future. I hope someday she will realize that life is not all about just her. As an artist, a doctor, a lawyer, a citizen, a teacher, a parent etc., it is a platform given to make the world better for the future through our gifts. When one is blessed with a love for music so deep that that's all you want to do. When somebody gives you the mic so you can say something, then SAY SOMETHING. Something that is bigger than you, something that moves people to tears, something that inspires, something that causes children to believe something that creates love. I'll bet when she fell in love with music all she cared about was performing and making people happy.She could have used this as an opportunity to do the best performance of her life, not because of the crowd numbers or color of skin, not the money, not even because she felt inferior for being black. Because she was asked to do such an honor (with the color guard, flags, hats removed,hands over hearts, ) it was the right thing to do and for what the song means to most. Because a person with honor respects what our country stands for. Ya it has some loose screws, but if your an American you should be thankful that you have the freedom and liberties that others kill for. Today is the 4th of July enjoy it, be at peace and be thankful that you are able to experience happiness. Happy Independance Day Ya'll.
July 4, 2008
2:15 p.m.
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nototat writes:
Yes, this will hurt Obama's chances. It may not be too late for Hillary...
July 4, 2008
9:08 p.m.
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RoloFan writes:
She's gotten more than her 15 minutes of fame. Time to lay this baby to bed.
July 5, 2008
1:17 a.m.
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featherrock writes:
Three cheers for Hickenlooper (from a Republican)
July 5, 2008
2:03 a.m.
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arby writes:
SKZ
The only non white Mayor Denver has ever had is Mr. Webb and he would probably still be Mayor if not for term limits.
Mr. Pena is a white man. His surname only designates what country his ancestors came from. Beside Hispanic is a culture not a race. Are black Puerto Ricans and Cubans Hispanic? Yep. Are Mexican citizens descended from Northern Europeans (white guys) Hispanic? Yep.
Are Black Americans Americans? Yep. Is anyone else regardless of where their ancestors came from that was born in this great land an American with full rights and privledges to be a screw up? Yep.
July 5, 2008
10:43 a.m.
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BrownSpade writes:
Its not that serious. Art is just what it is art. The jazz singer apologized to the mayor, and that's all. Where is the same outcry, over the high rises in gas, the foreclosure of homes, and all of the other American traditions that made America what it once was? a country of values and intergrity. We argue about small scale issues too often; many times over things that doesn't concern our growth as a nation. And if this continues, then the America we once new and valued, will be no more... There are so many other things to be outraged about in this country, then a Jazz artist who chose to sing a "Black Anthem" as aposed to the "National Anthem". Come on people, lets grow up...
July 5, 2008
11:41 a.m.
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DenverArtist writes:
SSQURED???.....Hostile aren't you? A person cannot make a statement without your jibberish?? Yaa Jibberish!!! Look at you...who the hell made you the "Rocky Mountain Proofreader??"
We all are concerned with issues, well maybe some of us,I'm finding there a few here that haven't earned "RESPECT" Yaaa that is something you earn...like "TRUST" I swear you all must be "CLUELESS" if you think racism isn't an issue...and it is right here!!! WAKE UP!!
I Couldn't agree with you more BrownSpade. I've read most all these comments,you'd think everyone would be up in arms about thier gas prices...most importantly,the war. Wake up people! If the percentage of outraged people fussing about a jazz singer choosing the wrong song to sing infuses this much energy,imagine what could be done with real issues that faces us everyday. So much bitterness,hate and racism. it's alive and well in Colorado as it is all over the world.
If we choose to keep our blinders on and sit and hope it all goes away you leave nothing for the children to harvest.Make a difference.If there is a will there is a way. I love this country,born and raised in the mid-west.Father and brothers in different branches of the military.We work,pay taxes,and vote. When I read all this anguish,I think of all the hard work some of us were involved in years ago to seal the rights we have now. The new young generation has it's work cut out for themselves,but if any of you are as old as I am, you know that United we stand...Devided we fall. Something to think about,Wake Up already!! God Bless America!
July 5, 2008
11:46 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Michael: "But when I see people like Bill Cosby, Clarence Page, Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, J.C. Watts, Magic Johnson, Tiger Woods, Oprah Winfrey, Charles Barkley, and so many more proud, happy, and successful black Americans who appear to be very proud of being an American, I just wonder what drives this stuff."
Give me a break. These are rich and powerful celebrities or politicians. They do not live the life of an average American at all, black or white.
July 5, 2008
1:46 p.m.
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Katiej1958 writes:
I wonder how many of the posters here actually saw and heard Ms. Marie's performance. I watched and listened to it on YouTube a few minutes ago, and I have to say I found it profoundly moving. The juxtaposition of those words and that tune, both of which are deeply meaningful, was amazing. I'd have liked it better, and there might have been no controversy, if she had followed up by inviting the audience to sing with her the Francis Scott Key lyrics. But by merging the anthem of the African-American experience with the anthem of our country, I think she made a profound statement. We are all Americans, all of us.
For the record, I am a 72-year-old woman of European descent.
July 5, 2008
3:08 p.m.
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MrPeabody writes:
I believe that this entire fiasco was blown way out of purportion. We have a highly charged and politicized atmosphere right now and some people are looking for political motives in every single thing that happens.
I believe this lady when she said she was taking some artistic license.
I also believe Hick is totally clueless, as usual. He probably could have defused this entire thing by saying when he was first asked about it, ....." well, she was invited to sing the national anthem. I was surprised that she chose to sing something a bit different. I'm disturbed about it but it isn't a big deal. In the future we'll ask any invited performer to make sure to do what we invited them here to do. We don't want surprises."
Instead, he hemmed and hawed and his "position" on the big controversy had to evolve over several days. He and other democrats don't seem to understand that to some people, the national anthem means something.
Still, much ado over a small incident. It was the mayor's handling (or lack thereof) that added to the uproar.
July 5, 2008
6:50 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
It's an election year, democratic party can't wait to shoot thier foot off! Quit being foolish, a lot's at stake. I give Mr. Obama credit, he's took more hits, even if he had nothing to do with it, than I ever expected. It's like "Papillion", where McQueen keeps saying, "I'm still here...". Man can't escape but he keeps on trying; that's heart!
July 5, 2008
8:26 p.m.
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marksallen writes:
The things that can cause an international stir. The singer tried to make a good statement but in the wrong venue. End of story.
July 5, 2008
10:23 p.m.
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amycakes writes:
Hey ssqured:
Re: "Also, Best Buy is having a sale on keyboards. Get over there and purchase something with apostrophy and shift keys. While you're at it, stop by Barnes & Noble (it's a bookstore) for something on punctuation,grammer and spelling. If this is to difficult a task, just print this, give it to the nice sales associate and they'll assist you."
FYI: It's apostrophe not apostrophy, grammar not grammer, and descend not decend. Why don't you skedaddle over to Barnes & Noble (it's a bookstore) and get your own smartypants self a dictionary and correct your own spelling first!
Talk about glass houses!
July 6, 2008
9 a.m.
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BrownSpade writes:
@ssqured:
Eveybody demands respect, but is it always given? and if not what do you do? Respect is something you have to earn. Can you image how other countries may be examining our culture and how we do things. For crying out loud, where considered the strongest country in the world; and we illustrate our power by focusing on what a jazz singer has cosen to sing, i.e. the "Black National Anthem" as opposed to the "National Anthem..." give me a break. I find this so innocuous, contrary to the real issues at hand. We need to stop making small events big issues, and earn respect for ourselves as a nation by adressing real issues, before we can expect to be respected by others, wether inside or outside of our country. Grow up and evolve human...
July 6, 2008
9:21 a.m.
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BrownSpade writes:
@ssquredAre
Your comment:
"you another of those kitchen philosophers misguided in the belief 'artistic impression' is the issue here?"
My Response:
I never made mention of such a notion in my comment... This is the problem. Its people like you, who feel they have everything figured out, but is absolutely, clueless to the thoughts and ideas of others. Who made you the guru of knowing whats on a persons mind. My comment was not about making artistic impression an issue; more so, it was about the fact that there are more important issues to talk about and address, thats all. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what I'm trying to communicate to you. Please grow up sir....
July 6, 2008
12:41 p.m.
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amanishakhete writes:
Who cares? I never did like the National Anthem. It glorifies war and the imperialistic mentality of the US.
I support the troops but I will never support the sheepish mentality that we're fighting "terrorism."
As for Hickenlooper, he's a politician, he should be used to deception. Grow up Hickey and stop whining and crying.
Bullcrap is bullcrap. No matter how you package it.
July 6, 2008
1:43 p.m.
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DenverArtist writes:
SSQURED wrote:"Don't forget your drivers license. You may need it if the black helicopters decend upon you while you're out."
SSQURED....your a REAL peice of work!For one thing, I'm not a "SIR" another thing if racism isn't an issue, what the hell was that ?? Ohhh and congratulating Amy for paying attention???Yaaa she has you pegged... a back peddling,two-sided talking,hypocrite.
Congratulations you just won the "Most Stupid Poster" award!!!
July 6, 2008
5:48 p.m.
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DenverArtist writes:
Well Sasquatch..ssqured...or whatever...I don't waste valuable positive energy being angy, I think that is a personal issue you and your therapist should ingage in .
All I'm commenting about is that most of you here are either stupid,ignorant and or blind if you can't see how much race plays into all this. If it was a white woman singing the same song that jazz singer sang, I could hear it now...omgggd she deceived us all...she's really a black woman!!! SOOOO what!!! She sang a song that inspired her, she choose that, it may have not been what we all expected, but is done and over...and still people can't see. No I don't agree with her choice,but it was hers.
Next time YOU sing the National Anthem,bet you'll miss the point of the words or forget a few,if even you know them,and bet you'd sing it off key, loll! GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!
July 6, 2008
5:55 p.m.
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DenverArtist writes:
Ooops...GOD forbid...I mispelled ...Angry...sorry "Rocky Mountain Proof Reader" ... aka SSQURED, I better rush out with my "Green Card" aka "American Express" and grab a dictionary.Ohhhhhh yaaa and my driver's license incase I see any of those pesky black helicopters swooping down. Loll!
July 6, 2008
6:07 p.m.
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DenverArtist writes:
I'll sing the National Anthem then!!
OBAMA 08!!!
July 6, 2008
6:09 p.m.
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RoyalPayne writes:
I didn't know there was a black national anthem. I thought we were all Americans.
She deceived everyone at her so called " performance" but not a one walked out or booed her trashing our national song. It appears, nobody cares anymore. Goodbye America !
July 7, 2008
6:48 a.m.
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BrownSpade writes:
@ssqured
your remark:
"Art is just what it is art."
My Response:
So what is your point? are you some how suggesting that art is a true reflection of reality. Lets examine the definition of Art and Artist. Art: is the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance(Through the perception of the Artist). An Artist is: a person who works in one of the performing arts, as an actor, musician, or singer; Do you have a definition of what art is which may disagree with the details in context stated? "Art is Just Art." What part of what I stated did you not understand? your remark-"It takes only ones ability to read the comments posted herein." to know whats on a persons mind correct? not neccessarily a fact. Its what you believe,its your opinion. some people can post comments without expressing whats really on their minds, mr. "guru of knowing whats on someones mind by the comments they post." Further, many will just post comments just for the hell of doing so. And at the end of the day its all entertainment. We can entertain each other with ignorance or with substance, in regards to the subject matters presented. So lets not mix apples with oranges, in regards to my initial point which was: I don't think what the female jazz arist did by singing the "Black Anthem" as oposed to the "National Anthem" was that serious of an issue to the extent, that ordinary people such as you and I, should be outraged about what a jazz singer chose to sing...I disagree with her approach to what she chose to sing if it was suggested she perform the "National Anthem" and then she decided to do her own thing; however, She apologized to the mayor, and I don't think she owes anything to us(you nor I). There are far more things in life to demand, than respect and apologies from one female jazz singer. Lets get it together people.....
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Why would you say you believe I stated: "Art is just what it is Art" when this statement is clearly what you read. to believe is to hold faith in something you can't see or touch. I made a statement: ""Art is just what it is Art", and even though your eyes saw what I posted, your mind sugested It did not know what I posted when you suggested "I believe you stated..." Stop decieving your self sir. You are dealing with a person of substance... and thanks for agreeing with me that their are other issues that are more important to discuss. See... we can disagree to agree, or agree to disagree.
Your African American friend form the Bronx, NY: BrownSpade
July 7, 2008
12:47 p.m.
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BROCK writes:
Rene Marie's performance was anti-American radical behavior--much like what Rev Wright preached and screamed to the Obama's for more than 20 years in his radical anti-white, anti-American church.
Keep the black church out of the White House.
Vote McCain.
July 7, 2008
11:09 p.m.
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BrownSpade writes:
would it satisfify you if Rene Marie apologised,for the fallout of her actions? Apologising to the mayor wasn't enough? After all he was the one she decieved... not you or myself. Anyhow, I commend you for being an open minded American, in regards to our discussion. The problem with today's society is that people very often rush to judgement on issues, using the sterotypes of race and nationality,as a deceptive and dangerous tool against, the ability to engage in an intelegent dialogue with some common ground understanding, on both sides. I commend you for your leaership role in providing oportunity to people of various nationalities and backgrounds. It appears to me that you undesrstand, together, black, white or brown, we can work together to achieve a common goal, without using racism as a tool to blindside and destroy us as a nation. Keep up the outstanding job of not being judgemental of others, and giving them a chance to show and prove who they are and what they can do to contribute to a positive situation. May God bless your heart sir... don't let these bloggers change the principle of who you realy are. You will always read, see, and hear things your mind, heart and soul may disagree with, but you do not feed into the chaos by getting fired up because some poeple just choose to be ignorant...
July 7, 2008
11:27 p.m.
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BrownSpade writes:
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P.S. I have Asian, White, African, Domincan, Puertorican and African American friends. My brother is married to a White American Women. I have Molato, nieces and nephews... just thought I'd share that with you. Its never been about race, its about social and economical conditions, tradition, education and upbringing. your 60 years old. Has society changed a great deal from when you were say in your late twenties, early thirties? We are living in a different world from the one that gave us value and integrity...
July 8, 2008
8:13 a.m.
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BrownSpade writes:
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unfortunately, you will ascertain if you haven't already, especially from some of the low grade comments posted, that ignorance is bliss in certain areas where potential intellegence can reside, for the good of things; "Chk BROCK (7/7-12:47p") This person's statement is certainly a prime example of someone who has trouble expressing himself without inviting the contriversal Rev. wright as an example to assit his thoughts, on why he feels the jazz singer is anti american. wrong frame of context. These are two different people from the start. You cannot compare pears with beans and call it fruit. Also, the blogger suggest the burning down of black churches; which would indicate to me that hatred and racism occupies a dangerous place in his shallow heart. I'd like to address this condition as a heart disease. Additionally, he is a john mcain supporter-by the way "a supporter of someone who believes the troops should stay in iraq for 100 years.", for someone who thinks a jazz singer is anti american, I think leaving the troops in iraq for 100 years is 100% anti American, but hey thats just my opinion. These soldiers are brothers, fathers, husbands of wives,Uncles etc. They are human beings with family and a life that God gave them. Some people are just caught up on the wrong side of things. its a part of surving in a ill natured climate of hatred Vs Love, Unity Vs division and Ignorance Vs intellegence...
Until next time good bye.....
July 8, 2008
8:24 a.m.
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BrownSpade writes:
@BROCK
when you'd sugest keeping black churches out of the whitehouse its symbolic to sugesting that black churches burn, in my opinion. The context of your expression is iree in that sense. who cares if there are black poeple that may potentially occupy the white and like to go to black chruches, live in the whiitehouse?. Why would that be a problem? Althogh based on what I've learned; Obama is a president for the American people and not just Blacks alone. I assure you ther is nothing to be afraid of.....